The Truth About the Golf RELEASE: Challenging Assumptions

I visited one of golf's top biomechanics to discover the truth about the release pattern and ask if it is possible to do what many swing models ask us and keep the trail wrist extended through impact.
As Dr Mark Bull explains, the golf release pattern is part of a much bigger and more complex system from your feet to your neck. This is why so many of us find it difficult to stop flipping etc.
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Time Stamp
00:58 What is the release?
01:03 What influences our release?
02:00 Are there different patterns?
03:00 Why do the arms cross over?
04:30 Is the Pete Cowen model actually possible?
14:35 What is the ideal release pattern?
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[@sbgsbg6694]

Unfortunately this discussion causes more confusion than it solves.

[@chrisk6011]

Exactly.....this video was fn brutal

[@ocat1979]

Cowens “Spinning the right arm down” works, but it has to be in combination his “spiral staircase” pivot that he also teaches. You can’t cherry pick the arm movement and expect it to work if your pivot is all over the shop

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Very true

[@Sueezedtight]

IMPACT depends on shaft lean. COMPRESSION depends on the club head accelerating through impact. That is why the maximum club head speed must be obtained AFTER impact so that the club head advances faster than the ball can recoil, causing elastic compression of the ball. Smash factor is predicated on this aspect of contact.

[@michaelwatson9500]

Yes something not often spoen about really is that Force = Mass x Acceleration; instead they talk about club head speed.

[@Sueezedtight]

@@michaelwatson9500 Moe Norman spoke about the club "singing" AFTER impact. The sound of solid impact that made him so famous.

[@paulwielgosz6046]

I found the explanation of AJ Bonar on BeBetterGolf on the function of the entire left arm (for righties) and the ideal impact on the ball very interesting. It would seem to me that Pete Cowen’s instruction fits well with Bonar’s explanation in that a straight left arm with Cowen’s strong right forearm create a strong lever and that ideal impact that both Bonar and Cowen like to see.

[@robertberardy405]

Saying “excellent video” is a great understatement. So very glad I found your channel. IG and KZbin viewing is dangerous since there are so few absolutes in the golf swing and you can’t isolate on like “correct hand movement” without considering a plethora of what comes before and what intent is. This segment really reinforced that and opened my eyes to the degree. I can’t wait for your next post.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

You absolutely nailed it with ‘plethora of what comes before’. 👌This is why I never talk in absolutes and it seems like you can’t get a straight answer from Dr Bull.

[@OZIPUG1970]

Ive recently started with a already shaft lean and my ball striking as improved so much.

[@joneastelow3242]

I used to know a man who could say in 1000 words what could be said in 10.......I've come to learn not to over think it and forget the data.

[@cryptoengineer9930]

I taught myself to take the thumbs out of the swing and found i released the club naturally and consistently. Chipping becomes much easier. It feels wierd at the start.

[@joebouscaren1]

Dr Noel, loved your previous video making clear Pete Cowen's teaching. This one here contradicts one aspect of Cowen's swing which is that Cowen takes it away with clubface slightly open and it remains slightly open to neutral till shaft parallel on the downswing at which point he rotates his body to close the face, hands forward and exits left.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks for that. Have I got it wrong because I have never associated Cowen's model with an open face at any point? He always demonstrates an aggressively extended trail wrist at the top which i assume must correlate with a square to strong face.

[@lenardtan7169]

Great lesson tips

[@hocheye]

I have started at address with staff lean, keeping the club face square by pushing straight back with light on pressure on the top hand. I keep the the club face square to the ball all the way back, of course your wrists hinge but keeping the club in the same position all the way through the swing this forces the hands to extension and stay inside to keep the face square at impact. This is for my irons. This way I don't have to think about my hands it forces the club face square to the ball.Full extension comes after impact. More of a modern swing with less wrist and hand movement.

[@AmmoDude]

In my humble opinion, there are several factors not covered in this video that effect how the club is released. For instance, a fader will have less right thumb turn down through impact (Dustin Johnson), a drawer will actively turn the right thumb down through impact (Xander Shauffele). Also, the shaft flex and swing weight will also dictate how much hand action/body movement is needed to get a particular ball flight; too heavy swing weight will typically cause the ball to fade, too light a swing weight will cause the ball to hook. The pro's have the luxury of being properly fitted to their particular swing, no two golfers swing the exact same way. They are fitted for club length, swing weight, shaft flex, weight and bend profile, grip size and grip weight. My experience with an "amateur" fitting is what ever clubs the sales person wants to sell you that week. My last iron fitting, the sales man brought out only one particular set of irons for me to hit. It was the (expensive) set he had custom assembled and sat on the rack for over a year. That sales person also tried to instruct me on how to hit his custom set in an attempt to get me to buy them. In my last driver fitting, I had to guide the fitter through it to get to the right shaft for me. I don't know 100% but I believe the pros play very heavy swing weights (D7 - E0), where as most ams are sold D0, C9 weighted clubs (in the old days, those were women's clubs!). The golf industry is building a standard off the rack set and sales people are fitting people to those standard sets. So good luck getting a proper fitting in today's market!

[@darylhoskins5696]

I agree ,Bought an set of Mizuno Hot Metal with Recoil 95 gram graphite shafts last Christmas , Struggled with them and figured out were too light .Sold them and got New Cobra Areojet Irons with 110 gram KBS steel and what an Difference

[@metalheads-golf]

Sales persons are the worst people to deal with people who know little bit more. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@Jackybug]

Most instructors demonstrate wrist positions with their fingers moving on the same angle as the club shaft. That would be accurate if you could substitute one of your fingers for the club shaft. The shaft however is more likely to be around a 45 degree angle to the finger/wrist position. This changes the wrist/arm articulation angle to be different than how it is being demonstrated and in my opinion affects how we perceive this movement once we get a club in our hands.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Interesting. I did notice that P.C demonstrates the trail wrist motion into impact in a very different way to my perception. Consequently, the arm rotation and elbow sit differently. Is that what you mean?

[@jack-hq7gr]

Great information. So when we have gone to golf schools or instructors, we might often get their desired motion, position and approach to the golf swing. Rather than our motion, feel and perception of intent. Trevino’s intent organized his body, hands, torso to hit shots. Nicklaus style and intent started out with very basic concepts and evolved with intent of distance, height and contacts. Early extenders vs rotators,not necessary a choice prior but evolved from intent and body types? Of course athletic ability, hand eye coordination and practice habits are considered.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Great post that sums it up well. I’ve spent the last 30 yrs feeling lost and between swing concepts on the lesson mat but now I reflect back I think that’s because stubbornly sticking to any one concept will fail too many students

[@jack-hq7gr]

Thanks, in addition, hack motion and some training aids encourage a specific motion to achieve a “position”. Swing like Tiger or DJ or whoever may not match our natural motion or perceived intention. Really makes one think about golf quite differently. Appreciate the forward thinking and reverse engineering.

[@craigcrawford6749]

Pete cowan swing, which is Ben Hogans swing, is for 5% of golfers. The rest can just focus on trying to develop a repeatable swing. 99.9% of amateur golfers have no idea what their body is doing in space throughout the swing, let alone can handle the concept of the " three right hands" as Hogan put it.

[@ag358]

Bobby jones said,"hold my corn whiskey, ill show you the difference between the shut face vs. The open face method ". He actually does in one of his books.

[@Sueezedtight]

If you had a hammer with a 3 ft. long handle and you needed to drive a nail into the wall stud next to the floor, how would you hold the hammer and how would you strike the nail? (Use the wrist in its most efficient manner.) A similar situation arises when you try to "skip" a flat rock on a pond of water. Use the lever of the fingers and hand with the wrist "hingeing" in its most efficient manner. Biomechanics.

[@anneevans9154]

What came first the chicken or the egg? That is what this discussion sounded like. I think our intention to do a task is the key, without thinking to the ninth degree how it happens. When I kick a ball my intention may be to pass it to a fellow player or maybe take a shot on goal. I might want to use the inside or outside of my foot and in a split second, my brain will work it out, if I hit the ball to the left I may use the inside of my foot but I do know I have little time to ponder on this before I get tackled. I think in golf the longer we think about doing a task, the poorer the outcome. So, in recap, before I kick a ball I just kick it without thinking how. The best golfers often say after winning a competition that they were in the zone and thought very little about anything, they are often just working with feel. With tennis, it is all very well to work out how to hit the ball when you are starting the action but when that ball comes flying at you, you react in a split second. I think the hardest part of golf is that the ball is stationary giving us too long to get tense over it and thus affecting our muscle responses. Watch a toddler swing a golf club and it is remarkable how well they can do it and the only experience they may have had is just watching someone else do it. A great discussion, about a subject that will be discussed for years to come. Maybe AI will make us all great golfers..... what then!!

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Great point. Too much analysis often leads to a breakdown in a golf swing. However, less well reported is how ‘automaticity’ often holds us back through poor awareness and lack change/development.

[@ClaroCapilla]

For me as a beginner golfer, the L to L concept with a rolling release works best. I accept that I am on the "handsier" end of the spectrum right now. This gives me optimal speed with relative ease (less body pain). I consciously "tame" my body rotation and let the mass of the clubhead pass. The irony of it all is that when I started fully committing to this system, my body sequence worked better. Less hang back (better shift) and more balanced rotation. Better low-point control even!

[@bh5606]

Agree...

[@AlastairBarker]

stop working on technique as a beginner and learn how to play and have fun,,, you are way too technical as a beginner! the name of the game is how many not how!

[@ClaroCapilla]

@AlastairBarker Good advice/reminder. Thank you. I'm shooting mid-90s now, and very rare high 80s when the golf gods are in a good mood. My point is, I'm a beginner, but a very committed one haha! I do have lots of fun (with or without alcohol haha). But exploring various techniques is fun for me, too. I'm a bit of a nerd and learning IS fun, so there you go.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Great reflections 👍

[@yodaman4674]

I think the real difference between the traditional and modern release is that the traditional release involves supination and pronation of the forearm where the modern release is about extension and flexion of the trail wrist. The modern release has lower rate of closure so the club head is flat instead of rotating through impact. This leads to more margin for error and ideally more consistency without loss of power.

[@johnrodgers6049]

Exactly. This is how most pros on tour release today. This its not anything that new. Likely best to teach beginners as well as there is more room for error and likely easier.

[@johnrodgers6049]

Look up Mike Malaska

[@AviationSceptic]

This is great stuff. The deep dive on Pete Cowen, the Danny Maude lessons with Pete, and the biomechanic discussion with Dr. Bull is fascinating. Thoughts: Feel vs real is huge; what you think you are doing vs actually doing is the key to understanding and improving (need feedback, video, good coaching, etc). What happens at impact is (Duh!) hugely influenced by what comes before (backswing). Body movements can influence release pattern more than "intentionally trying to release a particular way" (emphasis on "can"). Good (proper?) body rotation in the better (more experienced) player will encourage a down and left to up release pattern for the hands in the swing. Hands releasing down the line is not what you see in the better players. IMHO, YMMV.

[@ag358]

In old school analogy, there is a shut position swing and an open position swing. The Great Bobby jones explained the two swing types in one of his books i think its how i play golf .he had written so much about golf and was quite good at understanding swings. He gave an example in jess Sweetster, hope i got his name right, he said with the shut face jess was deadly accurate with the irons but sometimes a bit off with the wood clubs, he went on to say he wasn't saying jess wasn't proficient with the woods just of the two his irons were more accurate. Bobby said he watched jess hit 6 flags in one round from 160 yds on. I couldn't describe his thoughts on the 2 swings but there are definitely different and if one style is taught through an instructor giving little swing helpers, it could be disastrous to a player using the opposite swing.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks for that. You're right about a coach needing to fully understand the player's pattern before adding their input.

[@AndrewDCDrummond]

Watch Sandy Lyles swing, he does it. Look at the impact positions of many good pros, they wouldn't be able to hit the ball without doing it, particularly those that drop in height and/or have the trail elbow in front of trail hip.

[@mrpriceisright]

I have to say that in the two pro slow mo swings you show, the trail hand/wrist is exactly in the "Cowen" extension position at impact (with shaft lean). Now most likely well into the follow through, it is allowed to release into the flexion position, the fact remains that the ideal position at impact is lead hand ahead/shaft lean/trail wrist extension. The beginning golfer tends to flip the trail hand through impact, which causes drastic loss of directional control (and no speed advantage). The advanced player strives for the shaft lean and straighter lead wrist at impact, which provides excellent directional control and there is no emphasis on rolling the hands necessary. I would also say that rolling the arms is quite different to rotation of the trail forearm into impact (Cowen;'s move), it feels and is different, you can square the face with forearm/wrist flexion without rolling the arms IMO.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I would agree with all of that. And in addition, the two pros shown also have incredible speed. DJ of course, has a very closed face which will largely determine his release options. While Champ has a significant shallowing move which again will affect the release.

[@mrpriceisright]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel it has always puzzled me how many top pro's known to fade the ball (DJ, Rahm, Trevino & Hovland) all have lead wrist flexion at top of back swing. As you say, a closed face position, yet they all fade it?

[@jack-hq7gr]

After another view. Extenders, like Mickelson,Scheffler, VJ Sing have thumbs down sorta, but release is more active due to pelvis moving up and club having little chance but shaft up and rotational face. Rotational players like Trevino, Hovland, D. Johnson can keep wrist back and club more stable as they move down , more on right forearm plane and around while pulling handle left ,around while rotating. Hand path more out and around while other extenders are more out and up or even over and out.

[@joewest826]

When you're talking about different releases and wrist positions dictated by an individual's swing...these are mostly just manipulations and compensations created by either perception or instinct from the golfer to try to hit the ball online. So, with all of these different swings and resulting releases, aka wrist positions, there is no consistent control of the clubface. Control of the clubface is paramount to playing good and consistent golf. The physics of gravity and centrifugal force do not change. They are the constant that dictates how the club reacts to movement both in the backswing and downswing. You can discuss different types of swings, and wrist positions that result from trying to accomplish different types of shots, but the results can all be distilled back down to how the physics of gravity and centrifugal forces were controlled. Pete Cowen understands the physics and how to put the club in the correct position to work in harmony with gravity and centrifugal force. The right-hand wrist position along with body rotation stabilizes the shaft and club face allowing pressure to be put onto the ball with a forward leaning shaft at impact without conscience or unconscious manipulation by the golfer. This relationship between the hands, wrists and forearm's was referred to as the flying wedges in Homer Kelley's book "The Golfing Machine". Centrifugal force was demonstrated by the flail example. Whereas an object that is rotating around a center is constantly trying to catch up to and pass its center. That's what the flail does. The outside piece is always lagging behind the handle until impact when the handle stops. In the case of golf that would be the clubhead passing the hands when the body slows down before impact. This rule of physics is a constant and is what causes an early release and the dreaded flip that most Sunday golfers suffer from. To combat this constant the club must be put into a position to use gravity along with centrifugal force to assist in keeping the handle ahead of the clubhead through impact. The right wrist or flying wedge as Homer Kelley called it, is key to accomplishing consistent clubface position at impact. I gave Pete Cowen's method a try and it works for me. I no longer cuss on the golf course. This comment is just my opinion. However, I believe it to be true. Golf is a lifelong journey of discovery. I hope everyone discovers what works for them.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thank you so much for your input.

[@grahamjones7371]

L2L swish drills are probably vital for non sportsman/athletes to grasp some basic timing and movement,who would be a golf coach when youre dealing with people been no good at sport! But this is my point about relevance of Swish,I can make a lot of swish even tho im holding the club with just my index fingers and thumbs! i can produce/time this swish in the area of the ball and with a square clubface,(in some sports like TabTen/Badders this might be enough) But in golf it is not! as impact would totally collapse! due to a heavy inert ball et etc

[@fabioapolito5953]

Excellent work. Thanks for all your help sir.

[@tellwilliams4493]

So our clubs would have to be longer in shaft length to pull off the shaft lean

[@crispyduck1706]

I’ve tried everything to not early release the club - have great lag a quarter of the way down then it just flips - so frustrating have tried everything and watched every youtube video on the subject. Any suggestions appreciated

[@martinbengtsson8671]

As a teaching pro having played like that I’d say start using the ground to make the swing going back and throw. Take the arms out(to start) Look and zen golf (grf now I think) he uses great drills to feel. And you will stop flipping.

[@marcf.4787]

Is the Pete Cowen swing for all clubs..wedge, driver etc

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I believe that the general pattern is for all clubs but there must be a variation and a change of intent.

[@elbowyeish]

How do we apply this to a driver? Is this only for irons?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Not being a Pete Cowen instructor, I couldn't say for sure but I would imaging that the general pattern stays the same with more of a sweeping intention than the downward pressure. The set-up changes will go a long way to adjust that too.

[@tonybarrett4402]

Hmm. for me the jury is still out on wrist flexion v rotation. Im more inclined towards pressure with the irons and swining the longer clubs like 3woods and driver.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I agree and relating my experience to Dr Bull’s data, holding trail flexion, although may not be possible for very long, does delay the extension long enough to matter at impact.

[@grahamjones7371]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel Dont think any good player delays the release,they are just releasing further past the ball, not at it or b4 it like hackers do

[@cdunne1620]

At timestamp 9:00 dr Noel asks … “should the amateur get the wrists and forearms to follow the correct pattern first and allow the body to self organise around it “ As an amateur (h/c 8) who has been experimenting nearly every round of golf that I play for the past year I would answer VERY DEFINITELY YES. The body will conform. It’s like defining the goal before specifying what is needed to achieve it. Once the goal is experienced then do the other stuff refining the correct body movements etc. The correct release does not magically emerge out of correct body movement in my experience. The amateur golfer absolutely needs to know the correct action from the elbows to the wrists, the correct body action won’t reveal it, anyhow

[@m3toz4]

Exactly , if hands and arms have not idea, then the body is blind.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thank you for sharing your experience. Clearly, the body motion has a huge influence on the release pattern but as you say. You can't just learn body pivot and expect that to fall into place.

[@cdunne1620]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel .. yes it has an influence but the correct release from elbow to wrists is a separate component which won’t magically arise from correct body action, it’s a subtle point but a vital one in my hard won experience

[@Les-vp8si]

head scratcher, nothing like keeping it simple lol.

[@outerbanksdon]

Is it possible to make this game any more complicated?

[@grahamjones7371]

Come to realise the biggest difference between Pros and Ams (apart from set up!) is that they all learnt as weak kids whist most of us learnt as strong adults Consequently they had to naturally use ground pressure and big muscles to swing and keep control of a very heavy club and we didnt! You suck up energy from the ground by pushing/screwing the right side down release it with the left side screwing down then releasing up This powerful energy takes care of the immense swinging weight of the club, F=MA allowing the arms to add fast throwing speed energy You do this in every other sport youve been good at,you use more of the ground and big muscles dependent on the weight of the implement wielded!This is a lot easier and instinctive to do as you are reacting and moving in other sports unlike golf

[@bobbys4327]

Why load the right wrist up if you aren't going to let it go?

[@martinbengtsson8671]

There is no different between the two releases! Cowen release showed in slow motion every time L to L in full speed, but in slow motion looks the same if body is synced. Just as the other coach say. It’s other forces that dictate the release

[@jackuzzi5251]

Dr Bull...how funny.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

100+ tour winners and over 26 major champions

[@michaelwatson9500]

Didn"t find this helpful. Is Pete Coean and Danny Maud correct then?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I don’t think it is about being ‘correct’. From what I have seen on his channel, Danny Maude promotes the L-L pattern to his target audience but of course, he is a highly advanced player so when he sees a Tour Coach, he gets taught a different pattern. For me there are several messages here, one of which is that the journey from Basics to Mastery involves evolving our model. We can’t aim to be Bruce Lee on day one, we need to get some fundamentals under our belt first and that is a different release pattern in this case. I wish I appreciated this 20 yrs ago because I wouldn’t have wasted countless hours trying to make L-L work at a high level. But….I still coach it to students finding their game.

[@rickmiller8893]

Keep that right wrist extended without roll and you'll shank the piss out of it eventually.

[@davidmeeks7449]

Not a great portrayal of what Pete Cowen teaches if you are saying he wants a flexed trail wrist through impact. Oversimplified. You left out the lowering that occurs first. Critical. Lowering happens with the wrist position still loaded (keeping the pizza on the tray is a good visual) with the forearm moving (spinning) counter-clockwise. Then the body is turning and the wrist is definitely unloading into impact. He does not teach loaded wrist through impact, that would be a speed reducer. It is not for advanced players. Once you feel it you realize it is easier as you have momentum on your side at delivery and delivery is far more consistent, with way better compression. It is far less strenuous with less thinking because this motion keeps the shaft pressured properly without releasing it early.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Are you suggesting that PC promotes the trail wrist losing some of its extension through impact?

[@oceanyt8]

Do not release the trail wrist whatsoever, even though through impact..Lock it. Don't disrupt the downswing speed and its mechanism. If you can, hold on a much as you can. Not everyone can do this. Extending the arm and turning your body are the keys for the impact.

[@anthonyviola9400]

I found this lesson very complicated! Perhaps next lesson actually demonstrate some actual short shots? Just a suggestion.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks for your feedback. My normal content would be much more that way. This was more a theoretical piece and I get why you would say that. Stay with me though. No one is trying to be overly technical here but there are some important issues raised.

[@anthonyviola9400]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel Will do a coach because I am practicing with compression success your Pete Cowan model turning down the trail arm thru impact!

[@DASH1ful]

well, the golden rule of coaching is to never ask a player to do something that you wouldn't do yourself. i wonder how many of your pupils just assume that you practice what you preach. i had the good sense to ask my swing coach if he practiced what he preached: "no i just go out there and hit it", was his answer. that was the last lesson i ever had. i actually had a lower score than him over two rounds when i was 14; and, there i was going to lessons from him. never went for another lesson again, after that. re: your vid, how can a swing golf, worth his salt, possibly have a pupil who has a shut or open face under their tutelage. if a swing coach can't teach a player to be square at the top, a swing coach almost certainly can't teach a player to square the club at impact. the whole thing is preoposterous to err. and, really it is fair to say that you don't actually know where the hitting area begins. and, nor have you looked at the anatomical structure of the hand and how its design accommodates the movement of the hands in the swing. pre pga the real pioneers of the game told us: "as ye waggle so shall ye swing" no pga professional even gives a second thought to the real meaning on this. if they do, they don't know what it means.

[@ag358]

Bobby jones explained the shut method vs. The open method in his book, How i play golf.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

If you got Dustin Johnson 'square' at the top' you wold completely ruin him.

[@DASH1ful]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel well, no. He's square at the top left handed. So, if he can swing square left handed he can swing square right handed

[@DASH1ful]

@@ag358 there was nothing hogan did that jones didn't do. just checkout the way jones propels the club back on a perfect arc with the heel pad of his left hand, when the club is parallel to the target line. totally relaxed takeaway to that point. it is something that the modern game doesn't get. the heel pad of the left hand extends in the waggle and it has fully extended in the backswing when club is pointing at its furthest point to the left of the target. the wrist joint pushes back in the takeaway and when the heel pad is fully extended the wrist keeps pushing back. and, this aligns the club with the target

[@martinbengtsson8671]

Which book by booby jones?

[@greggbrown4866]

Much of this discussion is so very nebulous...very little definitive information. It seem like most questions were answered with "it depends..."

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

That is how science works. The big thing for me in this video is that the release pattern does indeed depend on a a lot of other factors so Dr Bull wouldn’t ever target it directly.

[@grahamjones7371]

So much waffle Coach have been ang good at other sports Yes lets relate golf to those sports /athletic events No well what makes you think you have a chance with golf! im going to have to come up with all that crap, head down,eye on ball 101 positions etc Yes good, can you bounce a ball on a wedge,no,well come back when you can as every good golfer that ever lived could!

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

We do a lot of that style of coaching in the channel 👍This was more a theoretical piece and I get why you would leave this comment. No one is trying to be overly technical here but there are some important issues raised

[@grahamjones7371]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel every sympathy for golf coaches, a lot of clients will have been no good at other sports and/or have no physical conditioning and expect you to show them how to play one of the hardest hand/eye sports going!

[@mostman]

Hmm. I feel as if this is focusing on the wrong part of the Cowen concept. The important part is the movement down with the forearm rotation. The bit about holding off was very specific to a person (DM) that was combatting the flip. Focus on that initial move and the release will come naturally, if you hook the hell out of it (which will happen if you are used to rolling), then start having a feel for holding off. In other words, you cannot do the Cowen (or Malaska) downswing move with an intentional rolling release.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks @mostman. I think we moved into release patterns more generally. Where do you stand on applying an opening torque through impact?

[@mostman]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel I’ve tried it a bit and find it to be a good swing thought when I’m tense and really not letting the club down. My biggest fault with my irons is not getting my right arm back to neutral before impact. In other words, not fully unfolding. This causes all sorts of problems for me, including thin stuff as I early extend to force the club head back to the ground. So, for me, any swing thought that helps me focus on unfolding helps. Sometimes it’s as simple as thumbs down. Sometimes I need more, and focusing on the forearm/Malaska move is a big win.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Interesting! @@mostman

[@davehill5539]

Milliseconds

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Yes. Apologies

[@JohnnyCarthief]

There is no useful information in here. Spin it down! Keep the pressure on the club through the ball. What more do you need?

[@outerbanksdon]

🤪

[@chrismulder7093]

It is just a golfswing. not Rocket science.

[@lindsayharvey1678]

There is good information out there but also tons of downright bullshit

[@SantaKikaKona]

Bla…bla….bla….bla..

[@DanWessonSpecialist]

Nice talk fest with almost no demonstration. You Brits love hearing yourself babble.