Unlocking World's #1 Coach's Swing Pattern: Explained & Simplified

In this video, we slow down and explain the lesson between Danny Maude and Pete Cowen and that right arm delivery.
We highlight how the swing pattern of Pete Cowen, the world's #1 coach, is different from the swing pattern most coaches promote on KZbin, and it's a swing pattern that I've found can lead to transformations in ball striking.If you're looking for a different swing pattern to try, or you're just curious about what Pete Cowen's swing looks like, then this video is for you! I'll explain the swing pattern in detail and contrast it to the more common KZbin advice. After watching this video, you'll be able to understand and use Pete Cowen's swing pattern for your own golfing improvement!
Chapters
00:00 Intro
02:02 Not L-L Swing Model
00:55 Overview and Spinning the Right Arm Down
06:00 Half Shot Compression Drill
08:00 No Swoosh
08:42 Is it for YOU?
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[@Shakinmyhead503]

Appreciate the follow up to a great video lesson.

[@darrellduffy3866]

I’ve watched the Danny Maude video dozens of times since it’s release, cut out all other nonsense and concentrated on loading my shoulder and spinning my right forearm down, it’s transformed my ball striking for the better 👍

[@spankyz25]

Same for me. I watched it three times and went to the driving range. "Wow". Hitting the best balls of my life.

[@mbda1]

say more, i get the shoulder load and feels firmer, but the connection to right forearm not getting the feel yet...

[@ivwshane]

Thanks for the explanation! What you addressed was exactly the question I came away with after watching the cowen video. I think the biggest problem amateurs and high handicappers such as myself face when watching all the golf videos on KZbin is that there are different swing theories being taught and no one ever says which one they are giving you tips for. So people like myself end up mixing techniques and just having a bastard of a time trying to get a decent swing going. For me the Peter cowen method seems to make sense and is not only simple enough to execute but it matches my style/coordination. With other swing styles I cannot consistently swing with my body correctly in the right sequence and I end up early extending and duffing the ball.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks for reaching out. It’s great to know that there are options isn’t it. As you say though, you do need to know which method you are using. I guess that for many golfers, the idea of driving the body can very quickly become out of sync and it seems that this is one of Cowen’s big concerns. Good luck 👍

[@marcf.4787]

Takes lots of practice but wow when u figure it out it's a game changer

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Great point

[@josephescalante3147]

Appreciate the additional breakdown and commentary.

[@TedInoue]

Thanks that's a good refresher for that session. I have to watch it over and over. As a left handed golfer who golfs like a right handed golfer, my left hand dominates my swing so my natural tendency is to use the left arm like I'm doing a tennis backswing. This often results in horrible hooks because my right hand is so loose that my left hand closes the club face through impact. With the swing feelings in this video, I remember to fully engage the right hand, preventing that hook and sending the ball right to the target. It makes a huge difference. Today, in the front nine, I forgot about the right hand and shot a miserable 44. On the back, I remembered the right hand and finished that nine with a 38. The only two bogeys on the back were when I got lazy and forgot to use the right hand again!

[@Robert-ts2ef]

An excellent video to explain the differences and potential benefits/drawbacks of the Pete Cowen swing method.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Very kind. Thanks for watching,

[@grahamjones7371]

Agree with your thoughts at end. i am a senior that started golf late in life But been a good all round sportsman and athletically strong But i do hit it low and only average distance but very straight even with long clubs and most importantly my bad shots are not wild hooks or slices! which is why ive got down to 5hcp at 63yo,now if i can only get 20 more yards!

[@johncreet1254]

Thank you for explaining this. You addressed a number of things that I had become confused about regarding these two release patterns.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks 🙏 glad it helped. I think the whole golf space on KZbin is confusing. We could do with a common language and understanding what a ‘standard pattern’ (L-L swing) is would be a good start.

[@bankscam]

Great information . This seems a good method for people with low flexibility and trouble timing the swing . Thanks so much .

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

You might be right there. It would seem like thee is less mobility required.

[@bertpainter8385]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel I can vouch for that. I had hernia surgery complication about a month ago that caused me to not do any practice swing motions at all until maybe 5 days ago. But I picked and chose golf lesson videos to watch while being idle, that went along with what I had been taught with a coach over time. I'm a senior who can't practice/play all the time. When I came across Danny Maude's video with Pete Cowen I watched it a number of times but never practiced it until this past week. Yesterday the weather was nice so I went to the range and chipped and putted around then took maybe 10 easy swings using Cowen's method with the trail wrist/palm work and then 10 more swings but maybe at 60%. I hit the ball solidly all but once and even that shot wasn't awful. I could feel the ball getting pinched and popping off the club head. It sored through the air. Early shots had a hard draw so I weakened my already somewhat stronger grip to almost 2 knuckles and hit it straight. Only 20 swings total but no where near full strength shots (probably partially why I hit them solid too). I've never hit more solid shots in a row since when I used to practice everyday in my younger days. At 67, those days are gone. Hoping this method will give me better more consistent solid contact. I'll have to practice more to see it was just chance, and if the accuracy is also there with this swing. Good to see a golf coach open to different concepts like you showed here. Although it may confuse some, but you made it clear, it's not for everyone. PS. This swing at maybe 60 or 70% gave me the same distance as if I was using my normal speed. Probably due to better contact. My normal pitching wedge used to go 125 if I hit it decent at maybe 80% (I almost never swing full speed anymore.) Yesterday at maybe 60% I got around the same distance. I only took a 3/4 at most back swing and did notice that with that swing my follow through was shortened, but that may be due to being afraid to take a full swing because of my injury.

[@auldmart]

Thank you. This cleared up a lot of confusion I had regarding what was right for me.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Fantastic. Glad it helped.

[@rafafederer832]

Iv been using this 7 iron thru wedges this year. I love it , iv gone from hitting a slice and no distance control, to straight on the line I want with far more consistent distance. And the ability to choose whether to draw or fade just by opening or closing face. Just need to sort out my long game now. Haven’t figured out how to use it with my driver

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

That’s great to hear👍 Being longer it is definitely harder to control the face but that couples with the fact that a small error with the club face will lead to a greater shot dispersion with longer clubs🥴. Keep at it though, with Practise it will come.

[@toma5326]

There is a chapter in "Search for the Perfect Swing, (1960's)" called "Rollers versus Squares"...I like the fact that the debate is still ongoing :)

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Great reference👌. I think the main thing is know your pattern.

[@sandygilmour5444]

This is great analysis. The use of body action working together and helping to prevent injuries is also interesting but Pete is coaching advanced elite level sportsmen so as you say not for everyone

[@aidanlennon4873]

Great lesson

[@8uvrays]

I remember something I read long ago. The writer said that the distance you get in the golf swing was dependent on the sharpness of the angle between the upper and lower right arm and how long you hold that angle before contact. When I viewed the Maude video I died myself just what do you gain from moving the elbows. The almost universal answer for the lead arm is inaccuracy. I also remembered that all the classic golfers emphasized using the trail forearm as the source of power. So I decided to keep both elbows exactly where they were while keeping the wrists immobilized with the hand wringing action. I interpreted spin the forearm down to mean spin it around the elbow down into the ball. Wow!

[@DanWessonSpecialist]

I found the Pete Cowan and Danny Maude videos 6 weeks ago. The swing has totally transformed my game. My body timing and shaft position is now near spot on every swing. Getting on my left side is much easier. I absolutely love it and before I play I watch a few minutes of the video on my phone. I think there is a negative to this method. You will not see the distance from a normal taught method. My distance fell off about 5 yards each club but my dispersion was much better.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I can't imagine that Cowen is coaching a method that reduces club head speed. Maybe it needs to be refined a little. Glad to hear of your progress though.

[@Elwdipath]

I tried Cowen's model last night at the range and it did completely fix my inconsistent behaviors. I agree i feel like i lost about 5 yards but it was the first go with that swing. I'm confident I'll get that back with practice. Another plus, is it feels more efficient. I'm not working as hard to generate club head speed.

[@lenardtan7169]

Great video lesson tips

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thank you. Glad it was helpful!

[@DANEBONY]

Been struggling with a bad slice lately after changing my grip. Had a few hits after watching this and hit every shot dead straight. I’ll need to try it out on all my clubs but definitely looks promising.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

That’s fantastic. I hope you can make it work Let me know how it goes

[@davidbuchanan2106]

Interestingly Clay Ballard (on YT) teaches something that looks very similar (and he also explains things in a clear and easy manner). I tried to adopt it for a few months last year, it definitely works (and the sensation of compressing the ball is absolutely evident), but you need to need to be prepared to have a full and committed lower body turn. I’m 65 and found it required just too much effort to sustain; you also need to be reasonably supple (don’t recommend with bad back or other injuries). Now if was 35 or 40 again..

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Great point. I am more and more minded that while the Cowen model may be preferable from a purist perspective, pragmatically, it will not be a great fit for all golfers and for a variety of reasons.

[@huashi7837]

Brilliant video, thanks, Noel. It clearly explains spinning down the forearm of Peter’ s model. Could you make another video to explain how drive through after impacting in this model. Appreciated again 👍

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Great suggestion! Glad you liked the video. Did you see part 2? I cover more about the follow through and holding the pressure on the face but maybe not so much driving the handle through impact.

[@user-nb1mn2zp6v]

Hi Noel. Think I played junior golf with you at Moor Park in the 90s 😀 Great video - like many, I definitely needed further explanation on the Cowen spinning forearm! Thanks for the help. Best, Graeme Skinner

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Haha 😂 hi Graeme

[@djpoints]

Oh man, yeah, great job! Subscribed! That Danny maude/cowen instruction was both interesting and maddening :) Big fan of both but felt like jumping thru the screen the whole time clarify things. I've benefited from a few cowen teachings over the years, but as ive gotten older and wiser I've discovered that they all really benefit somebody with a *one-plane* swing. Danny's swing on the other hand is a classic two-plane swing. So this particular squaring vs rolling action is really in direct conflict with his swing. And what's frustrating with so much of the online golf teaching is that most instructors rarely ever make this distinction. And it's very frustrating bc the golf confusion just spreads like wild fire here. I really think there is a huge market for an instructor to fill this void! As in if you prefer ti swing like this to the top, then youll benefit from swinging like this to the bottom. And vice versa. Present various combinations. Quite frankly, it's much more interesting this way. One more final thought on the cowen squared release vs the rolled release. Like you teased with the tennis player, i like to feel as if i'm either hitting a regular in-in forehand (rolled) vs an inside-out Federer forehand (cowen). Anyway, great stuff!

[@richyclubsport5155]

I've tried it after watching Danny and Pete video, great for lower punch type shots, especially good when i played in the wind. But, and it's a big but my 7 iron carry is 160-165 6 iron 170-175 but using this method only 130-135, with 7 and 140-145 with six iron, but am i going to preserve with it yes, because i hit it straight as an arrow, will the distance come with practice, I'll find out in due course

[@user-ew1ew3wr3q]

Really great explanation Noel, thanks! Not sure in mechanics terms why this swing model delivers any more ball speed than L-to-L, but for me (10.8 handicap) the ball does go longer and straight. Maybe down to quality of strike. Just tried it with chipping and pitching, and again it works well, didn't dig or thin any of the 100+ shots played, and somehow got a bigger percentage within a 3 foot circle of the pin. Will definitely persevere with it!

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

That is great news! It sounds like you have created more compression at impact! This is giving you a better strike and less loft. What a feeling!

[@noggin6459]

Great stuff! I might try mixing methods. The "Cowan" method if I need accuracy (through club face stability) and keeping the ball down into the wind and my usual L to L release for driving etc. We use different swing techniques throughout the short game, so it should work for long game as well?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Why not? That did cross my mind and I like short game comparison. I’m sure that there are purists who would argue against this but you may be on to something. Let me know how do you get on.

[@noggin6459]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel Well I tried it today for the first time and was amazed at the difference! I've been single figure handicap for over 40 years and this method is a game changer imo. At first I was hitting low hooks. I then altered my grip to be neutral, as I've always had a strong right hand grip (which I needed to square the face). I also had to make sure I hinged the right hand backwards on the takeaway (not my normal roll of the hands) then I had to force myself to not release the right hand at all (the club weight and momentum forced the release after impact. The result was dead straight shots every time. No timing required! I will definitely be sticking to this. Thanks for the video.

[@jack-hq7gr]

Interestingly many of Pete’s students,most notably Louie Oosthuizen don’t really come close to his model. He says most players “manipulate the club but do so very well. Not surprised we get confused. Can’t master L to L probably can only use Pete’s method for chipping and some pitch shots. Thanks for insight and clarity. I’ll bet Danny Maude is back to his more circular swing and “swoosh” release already.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks Jack. I haven't heard him promoting the Cowen protocol lately but maybe that's just for his audience. It would be interesting to see if his swing is back to its 'default' though. As you say, Cowen is a long way from 'circles and swoosh!'

[@Lubo-qd2zs]

Great video, I watched the original video posted by Danny Maude when he was getting a lesson from Pete Cowen and I have to say even Danny looked perplexed at what Pete was trying to teach. For me, this technique is probably too complicated for about at least 95% of golfers. KZbin is a wonderful place to learn about the game of golf, but can also be detrimental to ones game.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks for the comment. There is so much gold in the original piece but it took me 3 watches to unpick it. I totally get your point about KZbin.

[@Lubo-qd2zs]

@@ou7nats21 hahahahaha

[@bobmcglone6676]

I tried it. More compression, more consistency, better stability, excellent distance. It took me a few times reviewing the Danny Maude piece with Pete Cowen. You need to be able to move your wrist through, after spinning it down. Thanks.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

@@bobmcglone6676 That's great to hear. Glad it is making a difference. For some golfers, it is clearly a better pattern/concept.

[@grahamjones7371]

Ive played against L-L swoosh swingers at county seniors level, so it can work at high level! But when they are on it they are good, but need to hit a lot of balls pre round to get their timing and when they are off they struggle with distance control,ie hit a 7 iron any where from 120-170! and hit wild hooks and push slices

[@LaurenceNyein]

Thanks for simplified version. I have been trying Pete's method from Danny's video for a weeks now. I found that the face is too open at contact if I am keeping the wrist angle without releasing the hand. Any tips to fix that?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Hi @LaurenceNyein. I would imagine that is the 'spinning' part that you are missing. That is the right forearm rotating into impact. Possibly the body not rotating as part of the pattern too. Good luck.

[@cscoetzee]

Interesting. Would have liked to see comparisons between distances attained using your normal swing vs this model, and also if it can be used for driver, with similar comparisons.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks for the input. Sounds like a future video.

[@grahamjones7371]

For me i am playing a topspin forehand but same as when i play tennis i keep the hand club/racquet head square through impact ie it doesnt rotate until way past the ball. In fact the best analogy would be a tennis topspin forehand from a golf stance but hitting the ball with the palm of your hand! np racquet!

[@meggaro9278]

Dr. Noel: Love your work Would I be correct in asserting that Pete is demonstrating a hitter's model in The Golf Machine and you are a swinger? Thank You

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Ohh. That is a good question. There are definitely some crossovers but I as far as I remember, the hitter vs swinger distinction was about how active the trail arm drives through the ball. I L to L model could be done with either hitter or swinger protocol. Cowen's model does seem more of a hitter method though. As far as my pattern goes, I used to be L-L ( 10 years ago) but I've worked hard to move away from that release pattern although in the video I have tried to stay impartial. Don't tell anyone.🤭

[@David-ey9jg]

I’ve just had two lessons on virtually leaving my right hand off! “Just along for the ride”

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Golf can be so confusing. 😢 The big thing there is that it is very individualistic. II guess the ‘proof is in the pudding’How did you hit it?

[@toma5326]

I hear you...the different philosophies of golf instructors can be very frustrating.

[@David-ey9jg]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel first round got got 47 stableford points. Then got got confused again! You seem to be my ‘go to’ guy.

[@questioneverythingHaid-gb4dc]

Mike Austin disciple here. Re: the spinning right arm. MA tells us to throw the right thumb out. MA method instructor Dan Shauger likens it to “spinning the meatballs.” Another MA teacher, Steve Pratt describes it another way almost similar in feel to Hogan disciple John Schlee’s “throwing a tray in front of the trail foot.” I’m sure the list goes on but adopting that move (Nicklaus- “can’t release too soon,” LD champ Monty Schienblum “dumping the right arm angle asap,) etc, is like a turbocharger. A supercharger can be easily modulated but a turbocharger has that lag and often unexpectedly forceful boost- at least that’s how it feels to me.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Wow, thanks for the insight from the MA philosophy. Are we saying that this is similar to what Cowen is promoting with his 'spinning the arm down' move?

[@FranzDuttwiler]

If I am pushing the club through impact with hand backwards I am shanking very often the shots. What could be the reasons?

[@Supper-zero]

I see two opposite styles of golf swing. One is a trail arm throw and the other is a lead arm pull. I have to say for me the majority of speed in my swing comes from snapping the wrists or uncocking them at impact. Cowen's trail arm throw to me is like skipping a rock but holding the wrist from releasing at the end of the kinetic chain. Pete's swing has a hand traveling at 26mph and a club head traveling at 26mph with no speed multiplier to increase the club head to 86 mph. You can keep the dynamic loft down but you have to rotate your torso very quickly.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I agree that it certainly feels that way. I'm not sure that is exactly what is happening but it does feel like the end of the kinetic chain is muted.

[@carlosdias1043]

can you talk about the release after hitting the ball Pete's way?..

[@boileaub]

Doesn’t seem very common on tour, any good implementation out there?

[@LtMash1A]

Check the reverse grip drill that Cowan demonstrates and note the handle position through impact vs yours which I think would tend to lead to an open face for many players.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Sorry, what are you referencing as 'mine' please? Can you give me a time stamp?

[@LtMash1A]

Thank you for explaining "spinning the right forearm". I am referring to the position of the bowed wrists and forearms post impact away from the left side. Time stamp 5:30 where in demonstrating the cross grip drill, Cowan talks about where the butt of the club goes to match the body turn, following the left side, not extending away from it as if you are holding the face down the target line. Golfing Machine instruction use this move as demonstration to show the bowed left wrist but diid not happen in the in the practical world because players tended to leave the club face open.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

@@LtMash1A AAhh yes! Absolutely. Thank you for pointing that out

[@arataee8382]

Swoosh is for higher trajectory, effortless power but only follow the down wind. Rory has the best RGT PALM PRESSURE SWING

[@user-jv9qz2bu1r]

good companion piece to the referenced video - I am not so sure that less advanced players will not find this useful or that they will not be able to implement this technique.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

You might be right and I would never deter anyone from giving it a go. I do have some relatively novice golfers working this pattern. It’s a tough one to coach from beginner though. I think there is a journey to tread.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

👍

[@realtorsatwork]

Old news here is a different version of the same theme in 2009. Anybody hitting a low trajectory shot to a certain extend is doing it anyway. You can explain it from the trail side arm or from the lead side arm. Same effect, the trick is not to turn the clubhead over and rather hold it "off" or some would say square and keep the path from the inside- Pete explains it with trailing side and Mike explains it with the leading side - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4PYoGl8jpWnetUsi=-Z6xSRnsMQ46jqyn

[@grahamjones7371]

An advanced drill,warning you need to be reasonably athletically strong,hit right arm only shots,start off with sponge balls maybe small tee. You can only do this cowan action ie right arm topspin square hand, with a lot of body rotation through ball,this is difference between some table tennis topspin shots which can be done purely with wrist action and lawn tennis which needs arm and body,this is due to the weight of implement and ball

[@golfish8589]

Show us a slow motion video of you doing Pete Cowan swing. Ther is no way you can keep the shaft lean that long. I bet the wrist has released withing 12 inches pass impact if not sooner

[@grahamjones7371]

I do something similar with right arm But I have a neutral/square right hand grip, think you would struggle with strong right hand as turning down to square would go left You need Hogan or giving blood set up with arms ie right elbow pit not pointing to target but away from you But you then have to turn/hinge right hand towards target But the left side is working massively as well otherwise you would just hit low left You need loaded left shoulder to help left arm throw frisbee and ground pressure to come up Most golfers dont have any athletic strength/coordination in left side and never get to their left side so trying to do this may make them worse Hogan was left handed playing right!

[@aidanlennon4873]

Can you use the driver with that motion?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Yes but without the emphasis on downward pressure.

[@sevenoranges]

I get the driving the right palm downward into impact, but in subsequent videos he does mention that the handle should not be dragged. So there is an element of release taking place at or into impact. Can you please make a video on this type of release which incorporates hitting down, but not dragging the butt end of the club past impact.

[@sevenoranges]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZS0n4GJp8eUqLcsi=hUAbPeWlkXRDtQvK - this seems to show him promoting at least half an hour daily of swooshing?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Good point. I think for PC it is about applying pressure and then keeping the pressure on as the body turns through. There has to be an element of handle drive in any swing but I guess 'drag' is a more negative term used when the clubhead gets left behind and open.

[@elbowyeish]

How do we apply this to a driver? Is this only for irons?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I’m not a ‘Pete Cowen instructor’ but I would imagine that the general pattern stays the same. Oviously the ball position will change and that will shallow your anger attack. There will also be less intent to apply a downward pressure and more of a sweeping intention. The right side dominance I’m sure it’s still relevant.

[@sorenharvaldsson632]

Works perfectly with the irons but how to this with the driver?

[@afs-drew9644]

C'mon mate .. question how this applies to driver swings. Is it going to be the same swing . Are you going to get a downward strike on the driver inducing high spin. Questions questions questions ..

[@andysuzi1]

Does Pete's method not reduce club speed through the ball??

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Hi Andy. I wouldn't have thought so. What makes you say that? Is it the lack of swoosh?

[@matski2461]

One point I would make in comparison to Pete’s move is that you are letting the handle of the club get away from you in the follow through, very much like hitting a cricket batt. I don’t see Pete releasing the handle that much from his body.

[@ReSourceEnergetics]

I think you are missing the point of the drill. It is to sync the arms and the lower body. There is a pressuring of the lead side as you are getting ready for delivery. That allows you to pressure the arms and lead leg in sync to produce consistent delivery, control, and power. I’m pretty sure this is correct. I had to watch about 10 of his videos to piece this together. Hope this is helpful. Alan

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks Alan. I see what you are saying and it does. That is a much more succinct description. I just wanted to contrast his method with common coaching models.

[@ReSourceEnergetics]

There are a lot of ways to get it done! What he is saying is gold, but he isn’t super clear how he explains it… at least for my ears 😂. I appreciate your comment. I like the work you do on your channel. Best, Alan

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

@@ReSourceEnergetics I might have another go at explaining his pattern, starting with your overall statement if that’s ok. Anyway, thanks for your input and good luck with your game👍

[@ReSourceEnergetics]

Fine with me…. Hopefully it is helpful. That is the goal of it all! Have at it, Alan.

[@truthofthematter2892]

That is the modern release. My only criticism, is Cowan's use of words to describe it. I would never use the word spinning, because essentially it's anti spinning, anti turning over. It's more of a slapping, scooping, type of feel. Nick Bradley calls it the "Puck Release", in his book, Kinetic Golf.

[@NonStoppp3332]

Strikes me that this can be understood as focus on keeping clubface square to the arc and driving it with body, as opposed to opening and closing clubface as in L to L. This is a quiet hands fast body action that requires some strength and flexibility. As you point out, its not the best move for most older choppers.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Definitely less face rotation but as I cover in part 2, Pete Cowen sees the body reacting to the intension of the right move. So in his model, as far as I can see, we don’t drive the body with passive arms. To the contrary, the right arm pressure is the dominant move. Quite different from conventional KZbin info 😮

[@wesleyfreeland1118]

You're close . Rotate your right arm clock wise on the downswing and that will create lag and then centrifugal force will automatically release your hands counter clockwise .

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks Wesley. Are you saying that the Cowen model is close? I am definitely more minded that in better players there is more of that clockwise rotation (supination of trail arm) on the head/shaft than in the L-L model. This is almost like playing a different game

[@georgewalker03]

Keep external rotation of the right shoulder and right arm for as long as possible. This will keep your left arm internally rotated. Right wrist will be in extension, bent back towards right forearm, left wrist in flexion. Because the left wrist is in tight extension, just like a rubber band,it will go into flexion, and the right wrist will go into extension. The clubface will stay square to the arch. No need to counter-rotate or rotate the left arm to stop the arm's clubface closing. Hope this helps. @@GolfCoachDrNoel

[@drakezen]

I still don't see how using the Cowen method you could match or exceed the distance you can get when you rotate your arm over

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

It does seem counter intuitive doesn’t it but I don’t think that turning the arm over adds much power. A lot of the top players rotate the club the other way (opening the face) and hit it miles. The one that gets me is Wilco Nienaber. He is the longest hitter in Pro golf but definitely does not rotate the right arm over the next through impact.

[@ericdumont610]

Very well explained Dr Noel, Pete cowen idea will definitely not help a high handicapper, it would send him years back in progress, to have any clubhead speed the L to L swing is definitely the best and easiest to do.

[@tmc3980]

Yeah this move has taken me 2 years to get close to being right. It’s worth it though. Nothing like that compression feeling.

[@johnrodgers6049]

Roll release vs stable release. Roll release (old school) is tough because it needs great timing and a lot of practice. Phil Mickelson is classic roll release. Most modern pro golfers have a stable release (more releasing the hand toward the target instead of roll. Keeps the face more square for longer through the hitting zone). Definitely not holding the lag. Need to let it go.

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[@grahamjones7371]

Facts on Swoosh! 1You can only do it with a light implement! ie a stick! 2 you can make far more swoosh one handed than two handed! even with your lead arm

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

That is a really interesting phenomena. Why is that you can't swoosh a cane (alignment stick with 2-hands. What are we saying here Graham; that the club handle should be more driven than the feel of swooshing the head?

[@grahamjones7371]

@@GolfCoachDrNoelNot saying i cant produce swoosh 2 handed but i produce less and its more awkward , so is a 2 handed tennis shot! Trying to show the only reason we use 2 hands is the weight of the club Wouldnt try to swing a ttbat or badminton racket with 2 hands! or a cricket bat with 1 hand No expert but based on other sporting experience focus on handle and whole club at impact or something you never hear the center of the shaft at impact!

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

@@grahamjones7371 Interestingly, I never do drills with the cane and two hands. It feels like over control

[@SteveSmith-zz4ih]

seems a lot like the "Single Plane" follow through?

[@isthereanavailable]

It is not literally spinning the forearm. He is using body rotation and forearm extension, which makes it appear to be spinning the wrist. If you get the backswing correct, the forearm appears to spin down and will do what Cowen says.

[@golfdoc1950]

I’d like to see the AMG guys analyze in 3D what Cowens advocates. All due respect, feel is not always real. I don’t see how the trail wrist can fail to release its energy at impact and continue around the body in extension.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I love this insight. So often these concepts are feel vs real but that is not to say that they are not different and valid. I am seeing a friend this week who will have all that AMG style 3D data and more. I will ask him and report back, I might be able to get a video out of him too. I suspect that as you say, the trail wrist goes very quickly from extension to flexion through impact. That is not to say that the Cowen concept isn't real, it may just change the balance of torques on the handle enough to control the club delivery better. It is likely that it will also have the player self-organise the body better for that delivery. Even if the just helps the player organise their mental model better then it is valid. Thanks for the comment

[@bigglesthwaite]

5:45 Pete turns the club over after the handle passes his left hip. You push the handle way past. Not the same.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Damn, I hate being corrected 😂but very good point 😏. He is referencing the club matching the body turn where as I am demonstrating the handle driving through more. In fairness, the point I was making was the contrast to the L-L pattern but I get your point and thank you for highlighting that.

[@capkarr]

Absolutely are right! The L to L concept has ruined more golfers than I could count in a lifetime. There’s no rolling of wrist! That concept is worse than L to L! You maintain just as Hogan says- smashing the compression and ball downwards to the ground is correct! Maintaining the wrist bowed through impact is the step!

[@billybaxter6333]

This reminds me of the way I was taught to do a punch shot.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

There is definitely that element to the follow through. The ‘keeping the pressure on’ would have that feel.

[@McLovin-go2rm]

how does this apply to driver? there is no release and a lot of shaft lean....

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Well. This is it. There must be a a lining up of the shaft and no release with the driver is awful.

[@McLovin-go2rm]

@@GolfCoachDrNoel maybe you need to incorporate a throw release after impact?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

@@McLovin-go2rm it certainly needs to unwind and more so with high hcp players

[@golfolie64]

May be for wedging , but not for long irons !

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Ouch

[@bobgould143]

Ian Woosnam said to slog it with your right hand

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

That's interesting. Is a 'slog' a drive (Cowen) or a swoosh and release I wonder?

[@rhythmicdisciple7045]

Interesting video, but I have to disagree with some of your conclusions about Pete's video. I don't believe Pete is an advocate of "driving the handle" forward, which is a term you're using. Also if you watch his other content, he very much talks about arm speed and "swoosh" using a reversed club, particularly for handicap golfers. You message seems to be one or the other. I think in the Danny Maude video he's just showing us how to apply pressure to the ball by spinning and maintaining the the wrist set for as long possible into impact, instead of flipping with the wrist to elevate the shot. Part of this is correct weight transfer to manage low point, produce more shaft lean and better launch conditions. That's just how I interpreted his lesson and what I took from it, which has helped me too.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

In my eyes swooshing and applying pressure are not the same thing .When you say ‘particularly for high hcp golfers’ why not advocate swooshing with elite level players? I would imagine that Pete advocates swooshing for high hcp golfers and pressure for elite players. That would be my approach at least. As always, I could well have the wrong end of the stick on this but that is my view at the moment.

[@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219]

Maybe I’m wrong. But isn’t this stuff just common sense ? I think many knew this for ions now

[@craigcrawford6749]

Being a swinger vs a hitter

[@dalewolver8739]

I found that it really really hurts my inner arm

[@DASH1ful]

i'm sorry; but, anyone who advocates left hand below right and turning the right wrist down onto the ball doesn't have a clue. I don't advocate L to L, but the cowen method is just simply shocking. Did you not notice that Rory developed a very weak slice when under cowen's tutelage?

[@eJunkee]

There is nothing wrong with L to L swing. This is called traditional golf swing. It's easier to swing but requires more hand coordination. The Peter Cowen swing is the modern golf swing, less hand more face control with large muscle. It requires more legs and rotation to control club face. Good luck! And get lessons.

[@jackflash8756]

Dr Noel - The driving and spinning (ie. pronating ) the right arm down with an extended wrist doesn't make sense. If you did what was demonstrated , you would tumble the club over the functional swing plane (ie. from P6-P8). I also suspect that if you looked at your own full swing 3D graphs , your trail forearm would be supinating (until just before impact maybe P6.7) while trail wrist doing some circumduction (ie. some flexion and ulnar deviation happening at the same time) from P6-P7. I will raise your video as a point of debate on the Golf Biomechanics facebook forum, where I assume you are a member. PS. Looks like your not a member of this facebook group (administrated by Nick Chertock) which include some of the best golf biomechanics experts such as Dr Sasho MacKenzie, Dr Phil Cheetham, Mike Duffey , Michael Neff, Dave Tutelman , etc.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Sorry. Is it Pete Cowen’s‘spinning the arm down’ that you don’t like or my description of it?

[@jackflash8756]

Pete Cowen's visual demonstration that implies that the trail forearm is pronating/spinning as he exerts a downward force.

[@mj98034]

L to L just creates too much variability in the clubface; timing must be perfect

[@paulwhite6367]

Amateurs trying to do this will engage their right forearm from the top. Gona ruin their swing imo. That being said the rotation of the right arm will happen naturally, what’s actually happening biomechanically, is right elbow “extension” while maintaining the right wrist extension.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

These’s definitely simpler models but simple isn’t necessarily best. As you say, this wouldn’t be my first choice for high hcp weekend players. Trail arm ‘extension’ or ‘pronation’.? Seems to me that Cowen is advocating a bent right arm at impact. Danny Maude keeps straightening but I’m sure Cowen corrects this a couple of times. What do you think?

[@cdunne1620]

You never mentioned supination of right arm coming into impact which is a major detail in Cowen’s model. Amateur golfers can easily do it, why can’t they, it’s not rocket science

[@maxbiller7806]

Good. Cowen might be a great teacher, but his explanations and metaphors are not always helpful. I am just wondering how "pressure into the ball" and "spinning the right arm down" translates to Driver?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks @maxbiller7806 I would imaging that the overall pattern stays the same but with more of a sweeping intention and of course the set-up change will help with that too.

[@olehoiii]

It's hard. Young, healthy, all the best technology available and a really good trainer, still, it took a lot of work. Want to become GOOD at golf? Then you need RAW DATA and a GOOD COACH.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Agreed

[@seangrant9630]

Paralysis by analysis. This is maybe for the professional golfer but as a 9 handicap golfer I think I will give this one a miss. Way to much information to think about.

[@frozendivots1564]

It’s amazing how Pete Cowen keeps getting credit for ancient ideas.

[@cdunne1620]

..maybe he’s one of the few coaches who appreciates that the old boys knew a few things, the volume of horse s*** golf tips and instruction online makes it nearly impossible to figure out

[@frozendivots1564]

@@cdunne1620 so take all the known drills and call them ‘signature Cowen’ drills?

[@tonyscene9796]

you are dragging the handle when playing cackhanded (7.15 etc) Mr Cowen was emphatic was wrong..this wrong and misleading..

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Thanks Tony. That has been pointed out to me. Bad coach 😏Hope you enjoyed the video

[@DIOS10]

I swear it’s all done on purpose to confuse hobby players to Kerr wasting money on lessons.

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

You have found us out. All KZbin coaches are all in cahoots 😅. It's a tough game and the challenge on KZbin is that you can't be relating to all levels of golfer at the same time.

[@mgrassodirector]

What is so irritating about Pete Cowan?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

His communication.

[@davida.4933]

Pete Cowan, David Leaedbetter, and the vast majority of famous swing coaches can't hit the ball at anywhere near an advanced level, which is why if they rarely demonstrate and when they do it usually a half swing...

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

I don't know him but as I understand, Pete Cowen garners massive respect from his players by being able to do just that. You won't see me demonstrate full swings in session much either; it's hard to jump into a full swing when you have been standing around for several hours.. or maybe that's just age

[@dard683]

cowen did the worst job of explaining Spinning the arm down...Danny was lost even though pete was showing him...bs

[@FranzDuttwiler]

If I am pushing the club through impact with hand backwards I am shanking very often the shots. What could be the reasons?

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

Sounds like you are pushing the hosel out to the ball. A more free flowing release might be a better way to go, for now at least. Here are a couple of good drills: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ-kaKCHjp12qZosi=oo0PEUhrdIgvIbd1

[@golfish8589]

Show us a slow motion video of you doing Pete Cowan swing. Ther is no way you can keep the shaft lean that long. I bet the wrist has released withing 12 inches pass impact if not sooner..

[@GolfCoachDrNoel]

OMG no chance. Sorry, it wasn’t my intention to suggest this happens and I may have over exaggerated the Cowan ‘pressure’ here too. In fact, I question the very same thing in my follow- up video with Dr Mark Bull

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