The UFC Just DESTROYED Their Biggest Enemy

[@RodGrom]

Funny how MMA on point just showed us one of the very few times Tito Ortiz actually sounded coherent!!! 😂😂😂😂

[@RMILLSMMA]

Just thinking that.

[@jackdaniels2905]

He was making a good point.

[@paoloeichmann5609]

My ass has to double check it was him, must've been prior cte era lol

[@COB209]

@@paoloeichmann5609Makes you really think about how serious his CTE is he’s talking like a different person

[@themtube9455]

Watch the TUF episodes with him and be amazed. He is a really good coach. Also he did an interview with Rampage Jackson recently. He's way more intelligent than the webs might have you think.

[@aydennso]

Bring back nascar shorts, fighters being sponsored independently really helped with fighter pay.

[@KAZPERFOX]

They don't want them to get rich. If they have to fight just to pay their bills it's alot easier to low ball them.

[@FearFables0007]

Also takes money out of the UFCs pocket because of their apparel deal with RBK or whoever it is these days. They should still have the fighters wear the UFC branded shorts but allow a few adverts aslong as the main logo isn't covered. I agree with you though this would help.

[@GengoSenmon]

"Condom Depot" ruined that

[@kstxevolution9642]

no you have to think of poor dana not collecting that money

[@1stGenRex]

@@GengoSenmonnah, Condom Depot was just willing to take a risk on a fringe sport. Now that the rest of the Octagon looks like a NASCAR jacket, I’m pretty sure fighters could find more “mainstream” sponsors.

[@hammbone8184]

Let's do the math. 335,000,000÷1,200=276,166.66. Take away lawyer's fees in a class action lawsuit, which is between 10%-30%, the UFC got off light.

[@SteveAustin-zv1nn]

*lightly

[@hammbone8184]

@SteveAustin-zv1nn Thank you, Grammer professor. You just couldn't help yourself, could you? Lol gtfoh "Ya Chooch"

[@thelemon72]

Depending on how the damages were classified, they may be awarded as taxable income as well. Hopefully the fighters affected are able to make good things happen out of this though.

[@TheMrChente]

​@@SteveAustin-zv1nnnobody gives a fuck*

[@MrEndzo]

They did nothing wrong though.

[@iancarrey4123]

The idea that anyone can sign a contract saying they can’t sue no matter what needs to be outlawed. UFC, home builders everywhere

[@michaelsweet6709]

Agree!!!

[@Gratefulfellow]

It doesn't need to be outlawed if you don't like the term of the contract don't sign the contract.

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

​@@Gratefulfellow If you genuinely think it's that simple you're not smart enough to contribute an opinion on this issue

[@shenanigans874]

@@GratefulfellowGo listen to what Sean Strickland said about fighters and their way of life. “If you don’t make it to the top, you’re just a guy in his mid 20s with no real skills and only knows one thing - fighting” when your only livelihood IS FIGHTING you have no other choice than signing the contract

[@iancarrey4123]

@@TheJoeholton I have a feeling it tries to put all litigation into arbitration at the choosing of the UFC

[@tombfoot]

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE! I DRINK IT UP!

[@kugashira1018]

*sluuuuuuurp*

[@danielhawthorne1838]

😂 They should have put you in a glass jar above the mantle

[@BrandonClift]

YESSSSS😂

[@lukeharbolt7681]

"Don't Bully me Daniel"

[@wowthatsbrutal]

Realest shit ever .

[@CodyLacroix919]

Amazing how even in a lawsuit about being underpaid UFC fighters managed to come out underpaid

[@TheDreadedRaider]

Underpaid? They get paid for 15 min shifts if it's 12 and 12 that's like $48,000/h

[@Halfort57]

​@@TheDreadedRaidereven the undercarders?? And even then they ALL risk their lives for that amount

[@CodyLacroix919]

@@TheDreadedRaider dont forget taxes and then you have to pay managers and coaches. I guess we are just assuming that their countless hours in the Gym should be considered volunteer hours? Low IQ thinking like that is part of the problem

[@TheDXJC56]

@@CodyLacroix919 I guess we should assume their countless hours not in the gym should be considered hours they couldn't work a job to make more money if they're unsatisfied with their current financial situation or learn a new skill/talent they can turn into an extra source of income? Almost like training and fighting for a living gives you a large amount of free time to pursue other things....🤔 By the way, spending countless hours "volunteering" in the gym is rewarded by having a great body, that's the reward for that incase you needed that explained for some reason

[@CodyLacroix919]

@@TheDXJC56 you really think working out twice a day for a full camp they have “countless” hours not in the gym? 😐 How many professional athletes from other sports to the same scale of the UFC are having to even think about this type of stuff? Not many. Why? They aren’t being exploited by a monopoly. The density in these comments is sad

[@zulu9812]

I have never, in my life, heard someone seriously argue that a lack of competition is good for consumers. Bunch of shills.

[@BeanBurritoEnjoyer]

They got a speeding ticket pretty much. 😂

[@tompossessed1729]

Truth is when a fighter refuse to fight till thier better pay someone else steps in for less to fight thus making pay negotiation extremely difficult .

[@martinzyka6432]

it's like they need something... eeeh... how do you call it. it's a dirty word in the US. hocky players have it, basketball, NFL players, lacross....

[@thesilentassassin1167]

Kelvin Gastelum lol

[@samuelstevens1129]

Maybe if there was a union, but these people aren't bright at all

[@tompossessed1729]

​@@thesilentassassin1167 Neil magny too

[@auranewaters9574]

Thats how capitalism works. Its idiocy to blame the fighters

[@williamhyde8300]

Bring out the oil...

[@Nykandros]

It's code red this time.

[@xXMA11H3WXx]

I'll bring the feathers

[@MrTrueCaller619]

What oil ?

[@bitchimightbe3773]

😂😂

[@Dr.Furburger]

@@MrTrueCaller619 hot oil lol

[@randbrannigan2590]

People hear lawsuit and think excitement, forgetting that most settle out of court.

[@sharpsam25]

Not Buuba Hick the third

[@vaultboy4710]

Much like this channel.

[@HERETOHELPPEOPLE121]

I've never heard of a lawsuit and got excited lol

[@jejbsh2191]

​@@vaultboy4710 go somewhere else then lame

[@slayermill8621]

A good chunk of that money just goes to the lawyers anyways.

[@wanderingandroid]

each fighter in the lawsuit is getting a little more than $100k. what a fokin win for the UFC. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DaBeezKneez]

100k can be useful to some of those figthers, hopefully they make wise use of it.

[@wanderingandroid]

@@DaBeezKneez i don't think you understand how they fk'd it up for everybody for a lousy 100k settlement

[@xfaithoverwatch4235]

@@wanderingandroidmost people never see half of that in their bank ever so sounds like a win for them to me

[@Guru-ue2yp]

Each of the 1,300 fighters will get $250,000 before taxes and lawyer fees.. they’ll be lucky to bring $100,000 home. UFC paid 3% of their net worth

[@thedankswordsmantm]

It's pro-rata. So the 1300 fighters don't get the same amount. Fighters like Jon Jones, GSP, McGregor, etc that produced higher numbers will get a higher % of the settlement.

[@Guru-ue2yp]

@@thedankswordsmantm none of those fighters you named are on the class action lawsuit bro.. the most famous guys on the case is Tito and Randy couture.. cung le as well

[@thedankswordsmantm]

@Guru-ue2yp My bad for the confusion, it was an example. The higher producers/earners from the Zuffa era will get more than others.

[@Guru-ue2yp]

@@thedankswordsmantm ahh I see

[@thedankswordsmantm]

@Guru-ue2yp Also, are you sure they aren't a part of it? They fought during the time period of the suit, and their pay was released as part of discovery for the trial. That's how we know what Jones, GSP, McGregor, Bisping, Brock and Rhonda got paid.

[@ynotefil]

MMA Right On Point 💯

[@procow2274]

Just realized tommy toe hold is technically a v tuber

[@stanparker9556]

What's a v tuber?

[@Natsam_33]

And terrifying 😂

[@dagwood5041]

​@@stanparker9556it's someone who uses a virtual avatar as their online persona

[@My___daddy]

He doesn’t show himself cause he has a condition

[@stanparker9556]

@@My___daddy so is v tuber like virtual tuber?

[@jessechaos132]

Never ever ask why fighters don't unionize. You can just look at the settlement they took and call it a day.

[@mpalm4602]

Most of the fighters wanted this to go to trial, unfortunately this was their best play considering neither lawsuit was granted injunctive relief. It was either take the settlement to recoup some damages or risk everything again by refiling (also would've taken another 5-10 years).

[@BazookaTooth707]

UFC would rather sell than let fighters unionize.

[@Poopopotamusgaming]

They don’t unionize because that would require, like Tommy said, EVERY fighter in the UFC to be on board. Some guys don’t want to unionize and they wouldnt have the option to opt out

[@GazerPlur420]

​@@mpalm4602Should have risked everything for the future of the sport rather than take the deal for themselves. They lost the goal along the way.

[@peaceonmars]

​@@GazerPlur420You say that when you're struggling financially and blowing cash on lawyers. Being a martyr is nice in theory, but often unrealistic.

[@Franjolos]

Intro was edited so well, nice work

[@GoldieXBL]

Spread the word. Send all your homies your favorite stream sites. Boycott every PPV. Buy the least amount as possible. At this point I’d rather not even give the company any money because regardless of how much they make every year, fighter pay isn’t going to change.

[@aisforannihilation1662]

Fighter pay has to do with what they generate. With a great deal of ppl stealing it, their pay never goes up. Can't complain about it if u r part of the problem.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

@@aisforannihilation1662 shh don't say truth let these guys live in there bitterness snd delusion. If people complain more than the actual fighters that should tell us alot about these type of people.

[@Ilikemakingstuff]

It’s a shame how often legal battles like this just turn into a battle of attrition

[@BingChillinCR]

Ufc is scummy

[@mikehunt4797]

Yep thats why i steal all thier PPVS. Charging 100$ to watch 5 fights is criminal not to mention never paying fighters enough. They bought the UFC for 4 billion and now it's worth 12 billion and still no increase in fighter pay.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

​@@mikehunt4797ot effects them so much thiev do something rather than stealin from others who do and complain fighters dont get enough how bout you send different fighter the $80 instead of ufc? No didnt think so are you aoc or bernie sanders expect to do nothing and get everything from rich people who actually do something and employ many people how many have you? Ill take wild guess none because if you did wouldnt be cryin on youtube comment dana doesnt care what you or left wing journalists thing no 1 does

[@Nick1994H]

Wait..... so the side with infinite resources ended up with the favorable outcome in America? Shocker!

[@bluethings2344]

Yeah, who could have seen this coming, a big corporation screwing over the little guy?

[@MrEndzo]

Cry more commie.

[@GengoSenmon]

Right... The US is the only country in the world with financial corruption /s 🙄

[@ConnorTierney]

It’s a real dark day for up and coming fighters

[@zachlovescats95]

It always has been tbh. This is nothing new.

[@GengoSenmon]

You missed the entire true travesty of it. The true talent that would have been Mcgregor and Jones combined x10 million will never be. Talented athletes simply won't devote their lives, bodies and careers to a sport that does not pay them what other 'safer' sports will pay.

[@mikehunt4797]

Yep i hope less people wanna fight for them.@@GengoSenmon

[@phillipmartinez9232]

Without ufc and dana we woildtn be havjng this conversation thry would be workin at burger king entitlement these days insabe everything is everyone else fault thank ufc and dana for making this sport and alot fighter money and media guys podcast this channel lol

[@phillipmartinez9232]

​@@GengoSenmonwe will see about that they come from 3rd wilrd country unlike everyone here who tskes America for granted like Mexican reason they woild for cheaper than citizen and jobs no 1 wants and they love it in paradise compared to where they came

[@Rob_Kankerboef]

Is it legal in the US to contractually prevent people from sueing you? Because where i'm from that is illegal, and any judge would dismiss such a clause without ever hearing arguments. The logic being that if you conducted your business legally it should hold up to lawful scrutiny and that no one should be able to prevent a person from the use of the court of law and the justice system. Sometimes it is still put in contracts though, in order to scare off people that aren't informed about their rights.

[@jonathanmoore7582]

It's legal, first they made them sign class action lawsuit waivers, now they sign an agreement to forced mediation so if there is anything you want to challenge you will go in front a mediator for arbitration which are usually more corporation friendly. And they can't join together it's just you vs them and contracts are pretty air tight.

[@jonathanmoore7582]

I just looked it up the law allowing the waivers took effect in 2018 so it wasn't legal before then.

[@jonathanmoore7582]

@umarb7325 I may have misspoke but I believe it is legally binding arbitration although you might be able to contest it in court. The new contracts compel arbitration before a Zuffa-selected private arbitration organization in Clark County, Nevada for all contractual disputes.

[@GengoSenmon]

If you word it in the exact right way and add an extra clause that the fighters understand what they are signing and/or provide an official legal synopsis from your corporate lawyer to the fighters (which most fighters are probably on their phone not even paying attention during) that they sign a document attesting they listened to, and pick the right state with such corrupt courts and politicians to do it in (think it's a coincidence the UFC HQ are based where they are?), then yes. It could be legal. Sadly.

[@Matt-cr4vv]

In theory such clauses can be enforced but it’s extremely factually and situationally dependent without a true simple answer to widely apply to the bulk of situations. The nuance and surrounding facts are everything in answering your question. First of all the new agreements that are being signed are not necessarily preventing one from suing them but likely requires all legal conflicts go through arbitration over open court as corporations prefer arbitration because it moves quicker, costs less than litigation, generally will see a smaller award for a plaintiff when the deciding individual is generally a legal professional compared to what a jury of normal people may be swayed to award to a plaintiff since they’re much more likely to feel empathy to the normal person compared to the large corporation and most of all allows for all the conflicts and negativity that often comes from litigation to be handled privately and snuffs a ton of the risk of bad PR. But the key aspect of these clauses is far less about blocking someone from pursuing legal remedy explicitly which is unlikely to stand but rather to provide an option that is difficult and time consuming such as an arbitration clause to discourage somebody from even trying but if they do pursue something to then make it as challenging and expensive as possible to drive down the chance or ability for consumers to pursue the process. Because the time commitment and legal costs alone just to get through the court making a decision on if the plaintiff can litigate in open court or be compelled to handle things through arbitration. But if one did last through litigation and were awarded a judgement it will have taken years, racked up a large fee and the corporation is probably going to appeal the case and put the money for judgement up with the court. So you will still not be seeing anything like you’ve won until you win the appeal and even then the corporation may choose to appeal to the next higher court and only in r they’ve run your through that process do you see a penny. Look at this as an example - it took a decade to finally settle the case. Just think of how much longer it may have been if they held firm to litigate but a class action and pursuing a remedy with a group is a support system that may keep somebody engaged. Whether they are enforced or not comes down to reasonability to seek a remedy and generally arbitration will be seen as reasonable. So in context class action and arbitration clauses that are reasonable will be enforced and in the event they aren’t a large corporation will bleed you out and drag things out as long as they can so that the plaintiff will either dismiss their suit or agree to a settlement like occurred here which will lessen risk and harm if what could result from taking litigation and appeals to the end.

[@ShaunHopkinsAVFC]

Big surprise that the two organizations built on treating people like property are now owned by the same conglomerate

[@joelboutier1736]

Jesus. I despise the UFC. Now they’ve made contract provisions, so that no fighter can be involved in a class action lawsuit. I really wish fighters would all get together and just pull out of cards and go to boxing. I don’t see any advantage from the fighters viewpoint of staying in the sport of MMA. This is terrible.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

They let the UFC build the fighters and then offer fights when they retire. Just because the fighters are available doesn't mean the demand is there.

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

You despise the ufc but still watch it every Saturday i bet 😂 yall are weird go watch the PFL if you hate the ufc so much

[@SuperSkrrrt]

@@drunkenmmamaster419 well i bootleg to be fair. never gave a dime to the UFC...

[@mikehunt4797]

Yep fuck em wanting 100$ to watch 5 fights that usually suck.@@SuperSkrrrt

[@MastemaJack]

​@@SuperSkrrrtanyone like you has no right to say anything about fighter pay

[@juwanpompey227]

I’m not surprised that the UFC settled the anti trust group lawsuit I am surprised for how little of the payout they settled for. 335 million split between 1200 fighters isn’t going to help them financially. Those fighters I believe would still be taxed and a good amount of them will have lawyer fees that would need to be paid.

[@cuyxjrplays]

Crazy how much money fighters are losing especially if your at the start of your ufc career

[@procow2274]

Well there goes the neighborhood

[@DOMDZ90911]

Real winners are the lawyers

[@docb1844]

Damn straight to Dana Palpatine

[@jasonisaac9614]

PPV prices about to go up

[@KAZPERFOX]

I'll never buy another one after this.

[@irasac1]

just stream it​@@KAZPERFOX

[@gentlemandemon]

As if they weren't gonna go up anyway

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Who still buys PPVs?

[@Killerbam123]

Hear me out: what if during the fights there’s a tip code for your favorite fighter? Then fans can directly pay who they want to support on top of the pay per view price. It would basically be a tip jar for fighting, but instead of splitting cost the full amount goes directly to the fighter.

[@Realsysmin]

That would actually be so dope. Or someone starts a crowd-funding style tipping platform so the UFC as middleman is completely cut out

[@Ben-xf7uy]

Imagine how some Olympic athletes feel. A lot of track and field athletes can place at the Olympics and then come home to almost nothing

[@GrownUpKid94]

I’m glad Diamond League exists, but Olympic athletes definitely get treated like shit

[@Sepear305]

that's no excuse to mistreat fighters tho is it?

[@phillipmartinez9232]

​@@Sepear305no 1 does without dana and ufc we wouldn't know them or many wouldn't have jobs including media or youtube channels or podcast

[@Sepear305]

@@phillipmartinez9232 that's quite an excuse. Boxer's make around 50% of the revenue from their events, whereas UFC fighters get like 20%... This is a clear case of exploitation

[@Bedardo12]

I feel like if this trend continues, you'll eventually see North American and European fighters take a different athletic path. The money isn't there in the UFC any more, and it's only worthwhile for people in countries with a lower value to their dollar.

[@spookysockmonkey4605]

Cheyenne should have blown someone with money when she cheated on her husband instead of another broke dude lol

[@iamFSRL]

god damn

[@ElChicoMedas]

lmao fr tho sad but true

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

Based 😂

[@My___daddy]

Wait who’s Cheyenne? 😂

[@MastemaJack]

You are responsible for your own finances.

[@nickgrant2625]

Lol tommy being an animated character is still one of my fav bits on KZbin 😂

[@hulkman245]

Shows how selfish this sport is. They could have really changed something. Even if they didn't win they could have brought so much of the UFC's shady practices out to the public. But refused

[@regularstan6212]

I said it before the only people that are going to win with this lawsuit were lawyers. The lawyer is themselves will take A nice cut immediately

[@spaceworm94]

Without the lawyers the UFC fighters don't get paid a dime and will be taken advantage of worse next time. Be grateful to those bloodsuckers will yah?

[@GengoSenmon]

Why vilify the fighters' lawyers? They tried to stand up for what was right (fighters' rightful pay) and devoted almost a decade of their careers to a case that had a very high probability to result in them losing time and money. The lawyers you should be vilifying are the ones hired by the UFC.

[@Gratefulfellow]

This was the probably the logical conclusion. When the media was gassing up the plaintiff against the UFC I knew they will settle at the end. No injuctive relief UFC and the plaintiff both parties agreed to the terms of the contract. CASE CLOSED!!!

[@Gratefulfellow]

@Onlinerando why did they settle then?

[@madgavin7568]

Very few media outlets even covered the anti-trust case. The only MMA media outlet who was covering it in detail was Bloody Elbow. Saying the media was 'gassing up the plaintiff' is giving Bloody Elbow too much credit.

[@Gratefulfellow]

@@madgavin7568 fair enough. I know for sure bloody elbow made the plaintiff seems their case is solid they will definitely win how so wrong were they.

[@madgavin7568]

@@Gratefulfellow It is unfortunate how most of the MMA media doesn't dare question Dana's practices though lest they get banned and blacklisted. Bloody Elbow was one of the last voices that didn't tow the UFC's generic Corporatist line.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

@Onlinerando lying does that clear it up. Every time fighter kn suit went on Ariel show and pretended it was for greater good and not money I knew this would happen lol

[@Cosmic_God_Particals]

the best way the fighters could have protest for better pay was to honor their contracts and fight. but agree to "not fight" in the fight. they still get paid and the send the message that we won't fight until we get more pay.

[@dantheman-j5o]

Tommy on a monitor 😭💀

[@marquiseweber3060]

Does anyone in the world know what he really looks like?

[@FightYourCouch]

Yeah, he used to be on TV​@@marquiseweber3060

[@kmax1223]

​@marquiseweber3060 in one of his recent videos, he signed off with "if you see me at the grocery store, come say hi".... I was like NIGGA HOW?

[@Stence28]

man the way they were looking at the cartoon and listening 😂

[@younggnar2105]

Wasted opportunity😂

[@random__joe]

Me low key getting excited about a Tommy face reveal only to see the animated guy on screen😅

[@alexsnow5092]

reading that title makes me think they killed all the fighters and fans

[@jacksonpierce7598]

Please get our favorite Vtuber Tommy on more 😂

[@KoofyTC]

3 perfect commentary voices for KZbin, putting them together low key is like when the old cartoons would mix in an episode

[@BURDYMAN777]

Are you referring to this video? They do these type videos often.

[@Robert399]

I'm confused. If this was a settlement (not a trial ruling), that ends this case but it doesn't set a legal precedent, right? So the current UFC contracts aren't backed by law now. Can't other fighters still legally challenge them in the future?

[@asicsjohnson]

That's my understanding, 100%. Hope we're right.

[@TheDXJC56]

Expecting anyone that covered this case to actually know anything about legal precedent is asking a lot, the only thing most of these guys were doing was saying "UHH DURRHHH UFC BAD" while farming for clicks, I mean these people all really thought a law suit against a multi billion dollar organization wasn't gonna get settled before it ever had the chance to do real damage

[@nigeluno]

They don’t get a cut from EA? That’s messed up

[@ronswanson1410]

Nah. Their biggest enemy is the free live streams of their ppv’s and and fight nights and they haven’t even come close to bringing those guys down

[@flelite3994]

lol true they’ll never stop that

[@PronatorTendon]

They don't need that, people who are willing to watch the lowest quality videos imaginable don't increase revenue potential. It's like putting a car dealership in a slum

[@ronswanson1410]

@@PronatorTendon wrong. People are willing to pay for something if it’s a reasonable price. Not pricing things in a reasonable manner is forfeiting money. The more they nickel and dime people by upping the cost of a membership or ppv, the more people there are willing to pirate stream. It’s not difficult to understand at all.

[@privatemilo]

ok Dana

[@MastemaJack]

And anyone who doesn't pay for the PPVs should just keep their mouths shut on fighter pay

[@BDEntertainment423]

Video idea: Longest chain of knockouts . I.e fighters winning their last fight by knockout and losing their next by knockout and that fighter then losing by knockout.

[@nicolasstarheart2903]

So, if an expansion of the Ali Act is the only thing that will. bring abut change, how do we start the process of getting that ball rolling? Is it as simple as just calling your Senator or House Rep and asking them to look into it? And given that we live in an era in which bribery is technically legal in American politics by way of campaign donors, would those phone calls actually even do anything (assuming Endeavor has funded the campaigns of a lot of current politicians)?

[@sosalovesmylfs69]

exactly, but nothing is every that simple. the ali act was originally sponsored by a representative from Ohio. That got the ball rolling and paved the way. So to somewhat mirror that, you would need at least one major state legislator to back the act, as well as some really big ufc stars, or one. but as you stated, bribery and the likely fact that endeavor already has ties with government officials, i highly doubt anything being done anytime soon. surely as long as Dana is president, and even after him (Hunter?) Fat L for everyone except the UFC and their pockets

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

The Ali Act is barely enforced in boxing and it would nuke the MMA world. Instead of the UFC acting as a fighting league, they'd become a promoter, and the belts would belong to sanctioning bodies. Imagine the UFC gathering all the belt holders, and One/PFL trying to put on shows without champs or title fights.

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

​@@ChucksSEADnDEADhow is the Ali Act doing nothing when literally every new ufc champions first order of business is to clout chase a boxer 😂😂 the Ali Act & Al Haymon is the only thing that will save MMA

[@SuperVladamere]

I'd rather not. I don't want to watch the sport degrade like boxing did

[@lorenzochavez7547]

​@@ChucksSEADnDEAD It would destroy sport like boxing and i love boxing. Be careful what you wish for, like before usada it wasnt wild west etc erc than sfter its to invasive its to thos or that. You can not win woth these scum. Reason dana and ari Emanuel or any business just ignore them of they took their advice or media. UFC wouldn't be here huge growing every year. Sold for $4 billion and worth estimated $12 billion.

[@jonvia]

Condom Depot was never my friend

[@mattgodwin1868]

All those fighters were straight capping took the bag and ran

[@slummychum4907]

Retarded take

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

Can't even say they took the bag more like a Nickle bag? 😂 ufc fighters LITERALLY can't count this is tragic 😂😢😂

[@jakechambers1910]

As a contractor myself, I'd say the main problem is the exclusivity in the contracts they only get paid for the work they do and nothing to be locked down they need to unionise and either fight to get paid fir being locked down or have it removed from the contracts

[@MattPowers209]

With Dana's blow & gambling addiction he ain't hurting bout no 335M tax deductible write off

[@danelynch7171]

You do realize that they didn't sue Dana white personally, don't you?

[@phillipmartinez9232]

Keep hating hater jealousy is bad I know many that did cocaine and other drugs he doesn't do coke not on regular basis anyway and he could gamble or burn or give away as much money as he wants he earned it

[@johnboydojo]

Im sorry. I know this is a serious subject...But Tommy Toehold on the screen not blinking whilst the other guys sit there like yeah, this is totally normal just made me really chuckle

[@billcorbeau8981]

I can't tell you exactly why, but Tommy's voice is extremely satisfying and scratches my ears in the perfect spot

[@MichaelSpikes-pv6kl]

Great review man the fighters really let everybody down in this one

[@gtt8428]

Communists .. you mean communists ...

[@theunknown308]

The UFC company itself has ruined this sport in so many ways, feels like we are going to be seeing repercussions for decades

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

And what's even worse it's most UFC casuals are corporate glazers who worship scumbags like Dana White, Elon Musk etc look at the comments on social media It's really crazy

[@phillipmartinez9232]

Ruined lol talk about delusional wouldn't be sport without ufc. Crazy we wouldn't be here competing this KZbin channel and many others media like Ariel and many fighters would work at fast food restaurant

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

@@phillipmartinez9232 "martinez" 🤣

[@mrsatangto]

@@phillipmartinez9232 Bullshit. Pride existed before the UFC. The UFC did popularize it but it is stupid to say that there was never another path to being popularized.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

@@mrsatangto how much did pride pay under card or above just curious

[@Necron00b]

Well it looks like I nailed it. The lawsuit was what was holding up McGregors next fight, now it's settled he has announced his return...UFC did not want McGregor under the microscope during the trial.

[@ericsmusic5927]

You didn’t nail anything 😂 Conor is irrelevant to the lawsuit You're reaching lil guy

[@CheechElMexicano]

That sucks 350m divided with 1200 fighters, only comes out to 140/150k each.

[@HDmexsComboCon]

The only way this fixes itself is if Legislation enters the Ali mma act, they have to cut off the monopoly problem at the head. This is a sad day for athletes

[@paulbadman8509]

And then it would ruin MMA like Ali Act ruined boxing.

[@HDmexsComboCon]

Ruined which part?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@HDmexsComboCon The one where boxers fight on twitter like it's their job and fight on the ring like it's an occasional hobby.

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

​@@paulbadman8509Ali Act saved boxing not ruined it, notice every ufc champ first order of business once champion is to call out a boxer 😂😂😂 Boxing was already the superior prize fighting sport now its been solidified for the next few decades that Boxing >>> MMA 😂 you ufc casuals can't so basic math

[@paulbadman8509]

@@MojoMoneyMajor delusional. You money laundering fans can't even spell. Ever since Ali Act, the best of the best fight each other once in a blue moon, most boxers' records are built on fallguys and literal whos with scores likes 3-53, not a single soul, including "hardcore fans" know who fights in prelims, judging is corrupt to the brim, everyone fights among hundreds of "world champion" titles which mean nothing. I can go on and on. Just because top tier boxers make more money than top tier MMA fighters doesn't mean it's better, it just means that more money are being poured in, and given corrupt 100 years history of pillowfighting it's not surprising whatsoever. Lest forget that boxing is infinitely more limited and boring than MMA where no one is afraid of losing their 0.

[@numa2k147]

14:10 100% agreed we need to adress the '' fans''. We cannot be having the immature conversations in 2024.

[@jasonisaac9614]

Those with the deepest pockets always win

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

Not always, when people are organized and not drunk off hustlebro right wing grifters they actually win. 😂

[@middleofnowhereradio]

The intro was epic, had to stop after it turned into a podcast. I love the way music is mixed with the fighter's voices. What is the song???!! Edit my own comment. Strangebirds, Wrong Side of Town.

[@tutudsquishbo8381]

Couldn’t a new batch of fighters come in and sue them for the same thing?

[@xVikXtorx]

Maybe, the same problem remains. Who's gonna pay all those legal bills? UFC will simply drag it out as long as possible, avoid any kind of depositions, ultimately pay a settlement and call it the cost of doing (shady) business. This settlement also sends the message to fighters that it's not worth fighting the UFC on this, because they'll use their unlimited resources to drown them.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Their contracts will be different. Who's to say their chances of winning won't be lower?

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

Nobody from dwcs happy to sign a 12/12 suge knight style contract is going to rock the boat 😂

[@gentlemandemon]

9:16 scabs are a problem in any unionization effort, especially with the way workers' rights and collective bargaining rights have been decimated in the US

[@TheDXJC56]

Never forget Gilbert "The Scab" Burns undercutting Jorge Masvidal by being willing to fight on that first Fight Island card against Kamaru for less money and the only reason it didn't happen was cause he got COVID so the UFC HAD to fly in Masvidal last minute and pay him properly, MMA figthers are each other's own worse enemies in this battle

[@gentlemandemon]

@@TheDXJC56 not helped by the UFC willing to sow division at every turn

[@bridgest99]

I'll continue to stop supporting the UFC by not buying PPV (I've probably bought 75 cards since the late 100's cards) and I'll support the fighters directly. For example, I bought some hot sauce from Dustin Poirier. I hope other fights branch out so I can support them that way

[@cliffbooth4826]

Dustin is worth millions lol

[@lorenzochavez7547]

​@@cliffbooth4826where did he get it from the evil ufc lol

[@CYMotorsport]

4:25 this is not correct. But it’s all public. It comes down to the class action implications. It was never going to trial. But if it did, those named would never win that. There’s no precedent in so far as non-unionized workers asking for revenue shares matching that of leagues like the nba etc. which is preposterous bc that’s based on collective bargaining. Non unionized workers have NEVER been given legal relief or possessed a legal right to an employers revenue. Bc they do not partake in the fiduciary risk. It’s hard to express truly how inconceivable it is for non union labor to demand revenue. It’s line mma on point members demanding revenue share of your company. It’s not happening. Though would have been interesting to see it litigated . 90% chance that was going to the Supreme Court

[@RekreaturA]

It's weird watching 2 people in person talk their coworker using an animated character lol.

[@AileenPervert]

Nothing weird bout it

[@MGooGM]

I read the title to this and instantly thought, "Oh, they settled that lawsuit pretty quickly." Lol

[@michaelsweet6709]

Is it just me or does the man behind the screen sound like Goldy

[@hahaiwon]

Can they bet on themselves? In like Vegas type of thing. Serious question

[@Simsationxl]

Francis getting paid and not fighting in PFL is the reason contracts need to exist. Francis took PFL for a ride lol We can cry till the wheels fall off unless the fighters call for a change this will never change. They're still signing.......

[@gentlemandemon]

Francis has, in no way, taken the PFL for a ride. Apart from the way he's represented them publicly and has a corporate role with them, he's set to fight in MMA later this year. As for why fighters keep signing despite the pay, they're all betting their lives that they *might* make some money someday. The UFC is taking advantage of people, offering them scraps to keep them in line for a real pay day that might never come. That leverage is how they keep people in line.

[@madgavin7568]

Francis always wanted to box. The PFL is kind of a fall-back option for Francis once his boxing tenure is up.

[@seanreiter]

⁠@@gentlemandemonlike every other job in the world?

[@gentlemandemon]

@@seanreiter You're not wrong, it's an inherent problem of capitalism. But, like they said in the video, there's also the complication that fighters are both the employee and the product, which makes the relationship a lot more fraught and rife for exploitation.

[@Simsationxl]

@@gentlemandemon Why didn’t he face off with the heavyweight champ?

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

Dammit, I didn't think about the ramifications the TKO merger would have on the antitrust lawsuit.

[@tirosc]

Fighters ironically are too tough to quit in the octagon but sure gave up easy in the court. This could have changed everything for all fighters but here we are.

[@arnoldis24]

How much money do these fighter have to fight a long court battle?

[@j_obaymaac2886]

@@arnoldis24 it is an high profile case so i think that some lawyer could have taken it for publicity if it would have hit the court.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@j_obaymaac2886 Publicity doesn't pay the mortgage on a McMansion.

[@jeffl4147]

@@j_obaymaac2886at the same time, as it’s been said in the video, no lawyer would be sure if they could win. Another 10 years only to fail with no settlement/recourse to recoup losses, on a case that has had no prior precedent to rely on outside of maybe the Ali Act for Boxing (which has its own issues as well as being direct govmt intervention)

[@Realsysmin]

They've been working this case since 2014... guess the payout offered was just finally big enough and everyone involved was probably just exhausted and are going broke anyway

[@pastorgainz7230]

Its hard for me to understand fighters complaining about the amount they are paid when they make more money per fight then i do a year😂

[@justinwright7469]

This is one of those things where I do think fighters should be paid more, but at the same time they are signing a contract.

[@GregHuffman1987]

that animated monitor they are talking to is so silly. Whats that guy's moniker? Tommy Toe Hold?

[@rosharma7443]

Fat dana > dana

[@mikehunt4797]

Dana Pink (The greedy piglet)

[@johnmarkson1990]

back when america was free and we didnt get fat shamed by a bunch of republicans.

[@dominickarellano879]

They used the cartoon Tommy 😂😂😂

[@MOET02]

Well if this was the endgame all along then it is what it is. But from now on whenever any MMA fighter talks about Fighter Pay, Health care, unionizing etc etc. people will remember that they had the UFC by the balls essentially especially with what TKO was already trying to clean up with whole Vinne Mac mess. But I guess all that changing the sport was all bullshit 🤷🏾🤷🏾

[@lorenzochavez7547]

It was. Whenever i seen any on ariel show claiming it was for greater good i knew it was bs and if it came down to a trial or close they would tske settlement. But you right and others should take advice and how bout mind their own business to instead of worrying what grown men make.

[@MOET02]

@@lorenzochavez7547 yea dude and this is why MMA fighters are always going to be chasing boxers and boxing matches because they know no matter how good they get unless their name is Conor they’ll never make any real money

[@Homelessfish1]

As someone who aspires to be a fighter this makes me sad but it is what it is I guess. But it’s just crazy how they can get away with this shit when every other sport give their fair share to their athletes. Just nuts

[@JonathanBrown623]

Dana needs to pay these fighters their worth.

[@MrTrueCaller619]

They need to stop signing the damn contracts .

[@whyareyoureadingmyname5854]

Or just don't be a professional fighter

[@MojoMoneyMajor]

Or you'll just see more boxers ... hell ufc champions love to immediately call out the boxers once they get clout because they know boxing is superior 🥊💰💯​@whyareyoureadingmyname5854

[@lorenzochavez7547]

​@@MrTrueCaller619Exactly

[@BDEntertainment423]

$275,000 per fighter in the lawsuit. Not bad but not great

[@quintopartido3991]

It's something hehe better than nothing or to keep waiting. Hehe.

[@cory356]

This is a massive L for all fighters and all workers in general. The pigs win again.

[@94462]

Why did the lawsuit get settled ffs they should have kept going, and kept pushing, why settle if you can get more ffs Smh

[@HectorRamirez64]

Did you not watch the video?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Did you miss the part where winning could have dragged for 10 years?

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

Lawyers ain’t cheap , the ufc purposely drags these lawsuits out so fighters keep having to pay legal fees

[@ericsmusic5927]

Watch the video, dummy. They explained it

[@Crazimo]

@@thenedsmmachannel8970yeah real easy to tell other people to waste another 10 years of their lives for something that might just get thrown out. you don’t plan ahead very well huh

[@johnnywalker-blue7006]

Good information and podcast 👏 👌

[@probablyxavier8881]

Top tier MMA channel

[@GregHuffman1987]

Doug looks so happy on the thumbnail

[@ferniesperspective]

Honestly a blessing in disguise the “Ali Act” would’ve destroyed MMA

[@MrNuts70]

That is VERY true!

[@drunkenmmamaster419]

Right , it already ruined boxing

[@poncetek-1119]

Only example you need to know is Nate Diaz getting 20/20. 20K to show, 20K for win right before his 1st Conor fight. Sad n Dana said Nate isn’t a Needle mover. Yeah right

[@MidwesternMarx]

This is not shocking. In capitalist society the legal system will always side with capital. They’ll never crackdown on the shareholders, which is why we need to have a revolution at some point.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

You people always messed up after the revolution.

[@obizhot]

Heard the news from Luke Thomas yesterday, and was just Sad. The potential for Change gone in an instant, especially regarding how fighters are treated going forward.

[@raushanmishraxy]

Fighters shouldn't have settled... They were winning.... & UFC settled that shows UFC did wrong.

[@92F0XBody]

Yup, why would you pay money out of your own pocket if you were in the right?

[@johnfinn4178]

we wont know what happens tbh behind closed doors

[@P186L]

Just goes to show you tho was never about making things better for the fighters .... About the money 🫰🏻💸💸💸

[@Nswix]

Settling isn't always an admission of guilt, it's a small price to pay for getting a roadblock out of your way for the next decade.

[@mpalm4602]

Unfortunately the truth is much more nuanced than that. Most of the fighters on the suit really wanted this to go to trial, but injunctive relief was not granted for either case and they would've had to refile again and hopefully obtain class action status again (which is becoming more and more difficult). It's unfortunate, but at least the fighters got something for their efforts. This isn't the end for ex and current fighters, still gotta keep the pressure on

[@andresg297]

Fighters never had a case, the UFC was not a monopsony and no one forced them to sign those contracts. These fighters should have played football or basketball instead of MMA

[@liamwylieMMA]

Dana + oil = good time

[@lancestewart6907]

So a multi billion dollar corporation is maximizing shareholder profits and minimizing employee pay. Why is this surprising to anyone? This is just standard operating procedure in the United States.

[@mrsatangto]

Yup. corporatocracy

[@jimboSleeeeiiice]

Never thought I would hear Tito sound coherent, and even more than that, actually make a good point.

[@ThenDarknessFalls]

The NFL paying $750k should horrify people. It doesn't need to be the other extreme, but it's weird hearing people talking about $20k like it's nothing.

[@RIVALContentJammerz]

To hell with the UFC.