The Violent Crime Tearing Chicago Apart | Glenn Loury & Matt Rosenberg | The Glenn Show

[@danielletobin8919]

My husband & I moved our family out of Chicago last year. We lived there over 20 years. We stayed when our friends moved to the suburbs as their kids were old enough to go to school. We sent outlets kids to CPS. But when covid hit the kids were never in school and the crime was (and I see still is) out of control. I hear that even downtown is dirty and smells like urine. It's definitely on it's way down.

[@co9971]

yeah I live Lakeview, which is an upper middle class neighborhood and the amount of homelessness and mentally disturbed people I see on a daily basis is nuts. He's not lying the crime is definitely out of control.

[@YT2024Hayward]

I recently moved to Oakland, CA from Chicago. Gang related killings are happening everyday, as well as at the recent shooting at University in Berkeley.

[@thomasc9036]

You moved from hellhole to a shithole...

[@POedLib]

I grew up in Arlington Heights, and often went to Chicago just to wander around in the late 60s. Never felt unsafe. 2 years ago, I was in Millenial Park, and I asked a black guy a simple question about directions. He responded by threatening me. This problem is based in the pathologies of the black community.

[@5AXISDLOCKHART]

Ethics and morals are a topic that needs to be examined.

[@agentorangechicago]

Can confirm: It's getting worse in Chicago. Violent crime is up more than 30% this year. If murders stayed at 2015 rates Chicago would literally have 1,500+ more people alive. Carjackings have gone up six-fold since 2014. All this should be front-and-center to citizens. Matt manages to do this for Wirepoints.

[@curtisloftis6003]

Glenn Loury is the man.

[@POedLib]

He's a black guy who will go to the key questions about the pathologies of the black community.

[@curtisloftis6003]

@@POedLib I would suggest a couple changes to your comment...He's a brilliant guy who will go to the key questions about the pathologies of the American community.

[@jeremiahmacclure]

so glad my sister moved out of Chicago, out of illinois to Ohio where law and order are valued. it is sad though as i have good memories of chicago in my childhood. funny to say, but ever since Mayor Daley stepped down, it has been downhill. Not sure if that is a coincidence or not, but I feel that Mayor Daley was the last mayor that actually cared about the people living in the city.

[@brianmeen2158]

There’s still quite a few suburbs of Chicago that are conservative and low crime.

[@hanssvoboda]

Cincinnati and Cleveland have much higher crime and murder rates than Chicago, and Columbus has twice the rape rate as Chicago, so the facts don't back you up.

[@watcher99999]

People have begun to call mke killwaukee and it's no wonder why. It's hard to feel safe going out unarmed anymore

[@NineInchTyrone]

The Palmer House. Wow. HISTORY

[@deanjohnson6074]

I moved to Edgewater over the summer from SF. I take the EL into work 3 days a week and it's packed. The Loop is clean and nice. Not sure what the crowd factor was downtown prior to Covid but there's a lot of people commuting to work during the week when I go, although my building is not very crowded. I'm sure that people are going to work from home as much as they can and that's a reality big cities we'll have to deal with. Some of the news here is disturbing but personally I haven't felt unsafe. I don't stay out late when most of the bad things happen.

[@vintagesanctuary]

Truly sad! 😞 Thank you for your most excellent show!

[@figward]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@dugfriendly]

This is some hard reflecting.

[@Sam-kp7ti]

All facts here.

[@mikegray8776]

Chicago seems now to be what New York was in the 80’s, what Glasgow was in the 60’s …. and still no-one pushes for the Mayor, the DA, and the City Councillors to be run out of town ! …. In God’s name WHY not ??

[@TipToe67]

They don't understand.

[@NickMart1985]

Hyper partisanship. To not support your own destruction is to be seen as supporting Trump. Everything comes back to that in this environment.

[@-o-dq7nd]

Democrat plantation

[@mikegray8776]

@@richardbicker640 Very Clever. 👏🏼👏🏼 But Richard Nixon was elected, so was Boris Johnson, so was Mussolini, and so was Aung San Suu Kyi, so was Viktor Yanukovitch, ….. so was Gary Jones of the UAW. Yet there came a point where “voter remorse” reached a level which you seem incapable of comprehending - and they were removed. I’m guessing you see some sort of over-riding nobility in the freestyle reign of chaos championed by the hideous Lightfoot and Foxxx - rather than ideological grandstanding, with the lives of underprivileged others paying the only price? I admire your unapologetic selective myopia.

[@rollinmark8952]

If you "push back" against a Black mayor, you are labelled a racist. That's one reason. Opposing views are squelched by censorship. Criminals are allowed to do what ever they want because the narrative is they are oppressed, the poor things. At the same time, the police are being labelled as racist, bigoted thugs who are out to kill every black face they see. Of course, that is as far away from the truth as you can get. Yet "defund the police" was rampant across the country. How completely INSANE is that? Crime rates sky-rocketed in the cities that did it. Want more insanity? Survey: 44% of Liberals Think Cops Killed Around or Over 1,000 Unarmed Black Men in 2019 - It Was Actually 25. The 25 number does not include deaths other that shooting, but common sense tells us that the number of those are probably substantially lower that 25. So the real total is probably around 30, if that. There are other surveys that show that police are more likely to use deadly force against whites then they are against blacks. Woke-ism will probably be the end of our country. Peace

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

Our new normal.

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

Gotta love the intro music ok glenn, now drop some bars.

[@fsilber330]

The criminal justice system is one issue. A deeper issue, which Thomas Sowell has written about, is moral and cultural. Sowell notes that when he was young there was plenty of anti-black racism, plenty of black poverty, plenty of economic inequality, and plenty of limits on opportunity. But in those days no one cited any of that as being an excuse for robbery, rioting, stealing, forming or joining street gangs. And so few people did those things. He noted that the Cotton Club in Harlem could bring in money by safely attracting white patrons to the neighborhood. In the heat of summer without air-conditioning, black people could safely sleep in the parks, on rooftops or on fire escapes. But since the mid-1960s we've had prominent leaders citing economic problems as a guilt-minimizing excuses (if not as justifications) for stealing, robbing, rioting, etc.. People on the Left have been trying to use crime as a weapon of intimidation in attempting to extort their desired social and economic policies from the voters. (In the late 1960s, the New Left actually declared that "Black Criminals are the Vanguard of the Revolution!") It is for the opposition to stand firm against these extortion attempts by continuing to demand back the right to keep and bear arms and to use them in self-defense. And it is for the black community to realize that use of this tactic is destroying the black community more than it is hurting those whose political submission they might wish to compel, to demand that leaders stop doing this, and to shame those who continue to do so.

[@dledge1080]

Now the rough part. There is no hope, there will be no positive change and there is no solution.

[@-o-dq7nd]

Vote out democrats that's a start.

[@LZX61]

I’m very sad to have to agree with you.

[@winstonsyme5899]

Enforce the laws. Mass repatriation. Are two, and the latter will work the best.

[@HouseNoir]

@@winstonsyme5899 repatriation to where??

[@winstonsyme5899]

@@HouseNoir Wakanda

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Chicago... The new Detroit.

[@Borat_Kazakh]

There is a worse problem in Baltimore, with likely over 400 homicides expected this year. There is only resignation and despondency. The cops refrain from interactive policing, and just wait in their cars to be called after the events have transpired. More emphatic measures are needed to stop the carnage. Former Mayor Bloomberg's "stop and frisk" approach reduced violent crime by 80% in NYC. That would be a good start. Also we need to consider police check points, in the late night hours, in violent areas, for outstanding warrants, drug possession, weapons in the possession of felons. Curfews need to be strictly enforced, with offenders getting a night in jail. The social activists would fight this every step of the way, so the public would have to be sold on the need to save black lives, who are mainly young men being gunned down senselessly.

[@brianmeen2158]

See that high school in Baltimore where the kid had only passed 3 classes in 4 years yet was still graduating? Talk about a broken system

[@naugordon]

The only way to correct this is to suspend habeas corpus in that area and have 10,000-20,000 national guard patrolling the streets for a few years. People carrying should guns who don't have a permit, get a mandatory in jail. Convicted felons carrying get 20 years in jail. No parole. The justice department needs to get get tough to get this under control.

[@Borat_Kazakh]

Yes, your suggestion would save thousands of black lives. You wouldn't even need the Natl Guard; the cops could enforce night time traffic checkpoints in violent areas, looking for warrants, fugitives, felons with firearms. And strict curfews, with a night in jail for offenders. The senseless shootings would go down, and gangbangers would no longer own the streets.

[@brianmeen2158]

But they are doing the exact opposite of “getting tough on crime”.. that’s what is so strange to me

[@Brian-os9qj]

Glen knows

[@briane173]

Chicago sounds like Portland. Sounds like every large city that has been dominated by left-wing politics. We can argue causation/correlation but it doesn't take an astrophysicist to look upon this situation and conclude anything different. The biggest crime in my mind is DA's who won't _prosecute_ crime. George Soros' influence is causing rot from the inside out, but until it affects them directly voters will do the lazy thing and vote for anyone with D after their name in the name of "compassion," or "equity," or at least "free shit." This will not do. If you own a home and make a living in these cities I don't care what side of the political spectrum you're on, *_public safety_* is Job 1 for local government, and city councils nationwide are deliberately abdicating their responsibility to their residents for their safety.

[@CousinPaddy]

After there was a gang related gun battle at Oakbrook Shopping Center I realized the city is dying. I won’t go into the city anymore.

[@thespicypimp423]

I live in the city. Don't come here. When I started seeing crime spill into the burbs at an alarming rate, I knew for sure, it was the beginning of the end.

[@geofry642]

The guns come from a large network of young black men fascinated with guns. All of the black guys I know are always talking about guns, looking guns up online, bragging about what kind of guns they think are cool. Parents have to read to their children every night growing up, to the point where kids like books more than guns.

[@thespicypimp423]

2nd Amendment enthusiasts?

[@evan5604]

@@thespicypimp423 the difference is why they obtain and carry guns and how responsibly or irresponsibly they handle them. I get the dynamic of living where so many extremely violent/disturbed people even your own age have guns, that you feel you need one, too. But people outside cities like Chicago and too many others aren’t usually spraying bullets around crowded areas for any or no reason, from petty feuds to momentary explosions of anger to mistaken identity to just plain boredom. Your snark misses the reality that most gun owners are responsible and buy them for personal and family protection only. Maybe they target shoot. There is also a huge difference between people who buy guns via regulated, legal sources and those who buy and carry them illegally from criminal smuggling networks. The bottom line is gun crimes are completely out of control in Chicago and for all the attempts to deflect by blaming “gun violence” for all violent criminal behavior, prosecutors and judges aren’t even enforcing existing gun laws. They’re instead letting repeat gun crime and violent offenders off again and again. I might think “2nd Amendment enthusiasts” outside dangerous cities are a little nutty and obsessed with guns. But if they keep and handle them responsibly, and the vast majority do, you’re simply talking about a different thing. What’s become normal to too many young men in Chicago is buying illegal guns and carrying them everywhere and firing them for any or no dumb and criminal reason.

[@tesssiegel5754]

Why always Chicago? Many cities in the south have higher murder rates. Also, where are the guns coming from?

[@-o-dq7nd]

Guns ain't the issues, it's soft on crime Democrats that are the issue. George Soros funded idiots.

[@geekylove3603]

Glen is from Chicago.

[@winstonsyme5899]

According to the ATF, 49% of the guns come from Illinois.

[@-o-dq7nd]

@@winstonsyme5899 defund the ATF

[@mrmixitup6128]

Irrelevant where the guns come from. It's only when a certain ethnic group has possession of them that there is a problem.

[@garydavidson6917]

we need to be honest - as to who is committing all these murders! how do these people raise these monsters? it is time for a new crime bill!! we need it now!!!

[@samanthawhang7498]

What a damn waste of money though. If people could just be civilized imagine what we could do with all the money that we wouldn’t have to spend on every incarcerated criminal (over $100k a year). We’d already have universal health care and free college, like most other industrialized nations. Instead we have to waste so much of our tax dollars on a small segment of society (the criminal segment) who causes most of the problems.

[@-o-dq7nd]

Vote out democrats

[@garydavidson6917]

@@samanthawhang7498 - is money more important than ur safety? i don't care how much it costs - this has been going on for decades - it was brought under control in 90s - we need those policies back - this is what clinton meant when she said super preditors!!!!

[@samanthawhang7498]

@@garydavidson6917 I agree that all of these criminals should be put away for a very long time, or just put down. If it was up to me, I’d bring Hammurabi’s code back - you steal, you lose a hand. It just makes me mad that so many families are so damn irresponsible in raising their kids, so that the rest of us have to pay all this money so we can have a moderately safe society. Just think of all the new infrastructure, better schools, universal health care, higher wages for our military, etc we could have if we didn’t have so many kids that were raised to be criminals. This country is going to fall far behind, because as Korea and China can use their resources for infrastructure and schools and new industries, we have to use our money on people who want to kill each other over cold fries and Mayonaise.

[@thespicypimp423]

I see you.

[@NineInchTyrone]

Disarm the law abiding citizens Democrat policy

[@ChicagoTRS]

Chicago certainly has a lot of crime and specific terrible areas but reports of the city's demise are a bit exaggerated.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Not anymore. People are leaving and no one's moving in.

[@thomasc9036]

It's the public sentiment. Consider Copvid. A bit of concern at the start, then at a certain threshold a mass fear-mongering just robbed people of their sanity. The mob mentality is the same.

[@jones2277]

@@bassandtrebleclef then why's it so hard to afford a condo? this is what i can't understand.

[@Borat_Kazakh]

There has been minor population flight from Chicago. It is still minor, given its huge size. And many areas continue to gentrify, unexpected for a city supposedly vanishing.

[@NineInchTyrone]

Black hoods

[@wiltordgunter9539]

Stop voting for clowns like Lightfoot & Kim Fox on the basis of identity instead of policy ... or suffer the consequences.

[@johnjon1823]

Sane leadership knows and admits tab A goes into slot B, and further, they admit that is how it should be, even if they themselves are slot B owners and are tab A averse while being slot B enamored. However, when such realities as that are no longer embraced by leaders, who are shall we say, slot B owners and slot B fixated as evidenced playing slot B publicly as a norm, then you have crazies at the wheel. That means such leaders are deeply disconnected from important parts of reality and the need to serve the common good. One cannot expect sound judgment to emanate from such clearly damaged souls. Such leaders are in need of repair, prayers, and frankly reprimand.

[@PopularDemand1000]

This is a bit too hyperbolic. I live and work in Chicago. It’s a vibrant, thriving city with a robust local economy. It’s nothing like any other Midwest or rust-belt city, let alone Detroit. That’s a stretch that rips the fabric of reality.

[@winstonsyme5899]

For how long?

[@PopularDemand1000]

@@winstonsyme5899 I’ve live here for over 14 years. Chicago has managed to avoid the unfortunate fate that swept through smaller rust-belt cities, for various reasons. Too some extent it benefits from and coasts on its former greatness, and to your point, who knows how long that will last.

[@thomasc9036]

Even if you live and work in Chicago, you may be living where it is mostly safe. Most likely, you live in a pretty safe neighborhood.