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[@The-Red-Baron]

The only thing good about the F4F ICE, is its cold AF wallpaper.

[@SpitsAreTheBest_Mk.IX_61]

Fr shit is ICE cold

[@phantom_ii4594]

Mfers when a jet from the 1960s upgraded to modern standard isnt good: 😮

[@elkrumb9159]

In real life it would most likely be pretty good at least in 1992 or whenever it was upgraded, because BVR reigns supreme in real life

[@alkatraz9514]

According to gaijin this thing is equal to su27's, mig 29's and just straight up better than f-15a

[@elkrumb9159]

@@alkatraz9514 according to gaijin the Mirage 4000 is better than the F-15A lmao

[@kittyrusher242]

@@elkrumb9159f15 should be at 12.7 11.3 level 10 premium players don’t stand a chance.

[@AshenVanguard]

@@elkrumb9159 Well F-15 is really bad at flying outside the US, because the road signs are different. So I suppose from European perspective, the Mirage will do better, simply because it knows all the signs and road laws that are in place.

[@braedynhoward3644]

If there's anything we've learned from the past year... if we REALLY put the pressure on Gaijin for the crap they refuse to fix in their game, they will attempt to fix most of what we complain about. We need to put nonstop pressure on them for BR decompression, lower player counts, revamped air gameplay and more nuanced maps, and potentially new game modes... because otherwise, nothing will ever be changed. Their motto seems to be little changes combined with shiny new toys to keep the majority of the player base happy so that they never actually have to change much. This needs to stop.

[@Scorchluck]

The problem is that these are very serious issues, but only for ARB. Last year's riot happened because players from all modes rebelled and started demanding their own. If you think there are more ARB players than, for example, arcade tankers, you're wrong. And they don't care about these issues.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

only problem with the BR compression shit is that the community collectively wants BR compression done in THE WORST FUCKING WAY POSSIBLE and theyre too goddamn stupid to realize how much worse it will be. Not to mention having Gaijin touch BRs at all never ends well for anyone but Russia and Germany.

[@hansmuller7859]

ah yes we ALL go on strike cause theres 1 fucked plane in a AirTree that not that many people play

[@Greg-c8x]

ive been saying this for 6+ years already..... too many brainless wallet warriors that keep buying the stupidly overpriced premium vehicles.......

[@braedynhoward3644]

@@hansmuller7859 are you a braindead wallet warrior? Because the game has major issues that are plain to see by any decent player.

[@todduziel803]

90 counter measures at top tier is ridiculous and when you run out you can’t even hide at ground level anymore this jet is terrible.

[@Shizwiz]

They could've at least add some BOL pods to justify the BR it sits at. A lot of planes need BOL pods actually with this update.

[@cptstratboss8561]

Fix your skill issue

[@gangstercheesefries1112]

​@@cptstratboss8561 imagine being the "ball crushing factory worker" of warthunder lol get a grip

[@nefarioulyte9996]

​@@cptstratboss8561Fix your attitude, 90 countermeasures is a joke

[@DigitalShaolin]

@@cptstratboss8561saying skill issue at this point just points out how low iq you are if you think that’s an appropriate response in 2024 lol

[@gabonskaiagadziuka]

@@cptstratboss8561 are you really telling me that 30 chaff and 30 flares is enough for a single 12v12 or a 16v16 match in a mig29g which is 12.7 meaning it's always top tier? it has no R77 and chaff runs out the minute you engage if you dont sneak around..

[@r1pper_r00]

And if you thought the F-4F ICE was bad, wait until you try the Sea Harrier FA2.

[@H-cranky]

doesnt matter cause britain already has a really good fox 3 plane (gripen-c) this is germany's only fox 3 plane

[@bagelmaster2498]

@@H-crankystill don’t have a good cas plane either, but nah the us harrier gets 10 paveways

[@r1pper_r00]

@@H-cranky I agree, I just wanted to point out the FA2 also exists and is comically bad.

[@SalSal-om1en]

@@H-crankythey adding f22 to Germany next week 😱

[@BufferThunder]

@@SalSal-om1enthe us is giving Germany f-35s. The USA has strict no export in the f22

[@erice.9514]

Well that's maybe your opinion, I like it. Flank the team, try to hide behind terrain to get medium to close distance, then hit them from the side, attack the idiots returning to base when running out of missiles or attack runways without spaa with mavericks. Just focus on your RWR and it will benefit next update when ECM pod arrive.

[@GP15Connoisseur]

I’m glad I’m not the only one here that likes this Phantom :)

[@sicksixgamer2694]

Poor German Mains. They have been asking for the ICE for years. When they finally get it, it's DOA.

[@kinudel]

still don´t know why gaijin put that thing at 12.7 absolutely stupid

[@JohnWT08]

amraams

[@jfd9616]

would you want amraams dominating 12.3?

[@neisvestno2444]

​@@jfd9616 it still would get uptiered to 13.0 90% of time but i get your point.

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

​@JohntheGOAT08 amraams already exist at 11.7 so yeah, it should be 12.3. Or move the f14a to 12.0 and f14b to 12.3

[@JohnWT08]

@@TeamValkyrie2023 11.7? what on earth has it??

[@tartzmir7934]

Germany should've gotten the benelux tree instead of france cuz they already got the mirage and the MICA-EM

[@marvinrampf4081]

Gaijin trying everything Not to add the Eurofighter to the game

[@jedinight235]

Eurofighter would actually be overpowered. It's a Gripen but way worse.

[@specc_s1452]

​@@jedinight235 what?

[@jedinight235]

@@specc_s1452 What are you confused on??

[@specc_s1452]

​@jedinight235 You call it overpowered then worse than the gripen. How?

[@gabonskaiagadziuka]

@@specc_s1452 It has built in ECM systems (which is not modeled in game), 10 AMRAAMS and a very advanced RWR+MAW, also HMD it carries since 2002 which actually can be ignored by gaijin can lock shit 360 degrees.

[@roebuckpayne]

I see alot of "Nah mate, sea harrier is worse." in here. 12.3 and 12.7 are eons apart when it comes to pain atm...

[@rixyl7475]

No matter how low to the ground I get this patch, missiles still hit me square on, it feels like multipath is just straight up not working anymore.

[@DeltaCentauri]

I think this is one of the best updates in WT. Aircraft have finally stopped crawling on the ground like a fucking shrews

[@Squood]

I genuinely hope that if they add the F-18 they give Germany the Swiss F-18.

[@evo3s75]

ICE should've been added a bit longer ago tbh, probably together with the Su-27, F-15A and F-16C to combat the R-27ER spam And the F-4F ICE would prob be fine at 12.3. You have the F-14 spam happening and those are mostly in downtiers now without anyone being able to fight back against them on their terms

[@Brzzzyexe]

issue is the ice wouldn't of gotten it's amraams, so it would've just been an f-4j at 12.3

[@Starkogi]

The F4F ICE should have been added as an introductory aircraft to Active Fox 3’s After the Grippen got its last FM change. It should have been top teir with the SARH aircraft AND THEN they should have started adding the ARH supporting versions of the top SARH aircraft. Truly another Gaijin moment. That’ll be 70$, Petard. It’s just insulting tbh.

[@shatore8081]

The F4F ice would be a perfectly fine plane to add alongside a competetive top tier aircraft for germany like dutch f16 or swiss f/a18

[@ryanwilbur3554]

I'm a PS4 slim player, and right now trying to play top tier is like a slide show. My FPS drops dramatically fairly often. All of the missiles and separate radars are wreaking hell on my poor old PS4. I suppose I ought to stick to 11.7 and lower for now

[@gtmike916]

PS4s still rocking those lame ass HDD s. That’s why the game doesn’t do so well. If you were to run an SSD you’d have much better performance.

[@pliat]

Buy a pc

[@allenliu8820]

the f4f ice is definitely painful to grind it doesn't get amraam until you reach tier 4 and during the entire time, you are struggling to get kills i highly recommend to get the rockets and bomb bases until u get the amraams which will take u quite a while then after u get the amraam continue to fly low, carry rockets and just keep going at it and use the amraams to get an occasional missile kill for maps that don't really allow for terrain masking, recommend to stick to your team and hope for the best if this aircraft got gbu's it would make this a pretty nice ground attack aircraft, but it doesnt so dam

[@StealthCloudchaser]

12.3 is a BR this thing should be in, aim 120s are so easy to evade it is not even funny, It is an F4F airframe that can get murdered by everything, it has no HMD, The F 15A which is at 12.3 is straight up better than this thing is almost every other way other than the fact the ICE get's AIM 120s which is a missile that get's kills only if the enemy allows it, 12.3 should have been the BR for that thing should have been added in.

[@gtmike916]

Not only that but only 4 AIM-120s. Every 13.0 jet that has them can carry 6-8 so you have less Mid-Long range missiles at that. Definitely should be 12.3.

[@shikikanaz4624]

So the J8f should go to 12.0 or lower? It only has 2 ARH

[@StealthCloudchaser]

@@shikikanaz4624 I am speaking from my experience with the F 4F ICE I spaded it from fully stock and I have never played the J 8F to have an opinion on it, But atleast the J 8F is not a Phantom airframe at 12.7 It has a much bigger effect to the battle than the ICE.

[@theangrychicken5026]

Germany (and of course the UK and Italy) will t probably get a Eurofighter typhoon next update because we already have those cringe missiles in the game which those jets are using

[@KaguyasBeat]

I really liked reading Gaijin's reasoning for the multipath change. Like it's been the way it has been for so long up to now and they're just like "yea it's too good it was made for heli's no planes... nerf. Fire and Forget radar missiles are here :D" Like fr? But it's been the way it has all this time for jets? Alright snail lmao. On a serious note: I've enjoyed the change and found myself flying at altitude most games now... once I got the Active's. The obvious caveat: this is probably the worst stock grind ever, combined with using anything within that 13.0 bracket (to grind out your new top tier) that simply doesn't have any of the Active missiles, and semi-actives are practically useless against the Actives. I'd say the ER is still decent simply because of its insane performance but you may just find yourself doing 1 for 1 trades more so than with Sparrows or other Semi's. It's extremely double edged. Good for the top top since it kills the ground hugging and creates a more dynamic battle, but awful for the just below top because that is simply their most reliable way to defeat these missiles. I had an Su-27SM hugging the ocean and I was behind him firing AMRAAM's... they were getting multipathed into the water... I had a teammate kill the guy with his own AMRAAM because he was higher altitude and was able to get the top down shot. Not only does the effect kick in at 60m now... but it's also nowhere near as extreme because 60m is the equivalent to what 100m was: That's the point it starts to happen. Basically the maximum strength you can get from it is nowhere near what it was since it only starts kicking in at a much lower altitude... it's effectively 40% weaker.

[@joelhermon802]

The thing that gaijin needs to change is putting some new low tier plane (if they find one).

[@kithida2654]

I think we can all agree that War Thunder has to get to this point eventually. The reduction of MP and addition of Fox-3, REALLY highlights the fundamental issues top tier has and have had for a long time. Fox-3 and 60m MP made the problems worse and the game is not ready for it when the teams are still too big (12v12 makes pretty much no difference), maps arent meant to support the large scale BVR experience, the poor management of BRs, and ofc the terrible stock grind that is also not optimized for top tier either. If ALL of these issues were fixed, some bigger maps, more AF spawns, more objectives, 10v10, stock radar missiles + chaff, and a better BR system, MP and ARH missiles would be ready for the game

[@Tentacl]

Interesting info about the 75m tall trees, you are the first youtuber to bring this up!

[@unlimitedtimez341]

its a bug it got fixed

[@N-L3]

They only made that so that they didn't have to give the Mig-29G the R-77

[@PLShowtekPL]

I was all in for lowering multipathing height but only for sim gamemode. After getting amraams on f16c im playing only in sim and i'm having a blast with it but im not gonna touch RB for a while.

[@Nova4-4]

This is probably the best update because the fact the not a lot of people hug the ground any more it’s become a lot more realistic and it requires more skill of bvr fighting than just hugging the deck

[@michaellong7882]

While I do agree with the sentiment, as far as breaking the everyone rush in on the deck furball meta. This has completely deleted that, yes it is annoying. Also though I do believe this has changed the gameplay loop for the better in the mean time. Games actually last more than 5 min if you can defend properly

[@Usurphlhen]

I just finished researching mine this morning. I see im in for some fun when i got home

[@Bf109F-4lover]

Yeah, for a PS4 player that has 70-1 games on 10.7 getting uptiered often to SARH missles it's already painfull to fly just above the tree top and I activated the 12vs12 from when it was added, still every single game was 16vs16 so yeah.

[@kuppis22]

activate ur windows bro

[@semsjo2364]

The issue isn't multipathing or 16v16, the issue is, that we've got a sandbox, which can only accommodate the strongest fighters. There is absolutely no place for any other planes in AB, if you want to have a fair game. You could make it 1v1 with multipathing set to 1km and the F-4 would still loose most of the time against a F-15, while still dominating an A-10. Enable each plane to actually fulfill their intended role with proper game mode(s) and have an equal impact on the outcome within their role and you will see, that multipathing or 16v16 was never the real problem.

[@vampxhelix4444]

As someone who has to fight f4-fs in my su-22, they are super annoying to play against.

[@YF23BlackWidowll]

That’s a diff BR lil bro

[@vampxhelix4444]

@@YF23BlackWidowll yah i realized that after watching the vid lol, f4-f early lol.

[@Twhrit14]

This plane and the Tornado Late are easily the worst planes to stock grind at 12.7. They could go down to 12.3 and be perfectly balanced vs. F-15As, SU-27s, and F-16s.

[@peergynt6515]

F4 Phantom didn't perform well in Vietnam? I think it is the only US plane that I have heard is bad even for its time. I'm surprised Russian bias would put it in top tier.

[@billabong9492]

that thing should have been released withe the f14 back then

[@kryperdev]

It feels like pure SB plane

[@n1coR]

I bet the devs laughed their ass off releasing an f4 XD

[@batlax18]

5:02 I have to disagree. This is the most fun I’ve had playing top tier since I got it October last year. I think this update is a massive step in the right direction for top tier, and this is the most enjoyable it’s been for me ever. BVR is much more fun than deck hugging and the IRCCM clusterfuck that top tier has been since October, it’s more tactical, and it takes skill. Now before people say, “oH bUt tHesE miSsiLEs aRe bRokEn it’S jUst pOiNt aNd cLiCk”, yes, it does take skill, not to kill, but to stay alive to get more kills. Everyone has a good missile (the R77 is meant for close range not 35 miles stop whining russian mains) and everyone can get a lot of kills, it is simply a matter of if you have good awareness and positioning. It’s not very enjoyable for some, but me and a whole lot of other people are stoked about this update. Remember, this is just my opinion, and I’d to hear more peoples that don’t agree with me, I want to see your reasoning, I want to see both sides of the playing field, not just my own

[@UrbelowAVGgamer]

I just got to the F-15A before the patched dropped and I cannot stand to play it since it only see's jets with Fox-3s.....

[@ReviveHF]

Just move this thing to BR11.7, then everything will be okay

[@calebfoster7972]

Trees don’t stop missles. Trust me…..

[@The_Hutske]

When I see a f4f I just let hem live... They have it rough and i dont need a free kill that bad. Just letting them grind

[@YF23BlackWidowll]

Ty

[@EricThyKaiser]

As someone who just spaded the F16C, the only way to spade top tiers now is turning them into useless bombers

[@cptstratboss8561]

Fix your skill issue

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

​@@cptstratboss8561 still waiting on your "how to play f4ice" video

[@SeekerHead]

I guarantee cptstratboss is a 1kb player

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

@@SeekerHead most likely. 13 year old on summer vacation

[@EricThyKaiser]

@@SeekerHead ❤️

[@mavor101]

17 story trees.. lol

[@rvdz9069]

Wait till you try the Sea Harrier, now that is a piece of shit. Less manouverable than the earlier Harrier GR1/3 and AV8A/C.

[@gabrielabreu5200]

Honestly just swap the the aim 9l/i for regular 9 L the aim 120 for for aim 7m and make it 11.7, it would be mutch better

[@cptstratboss8561]

Skill issues talking

[@Shatheedjameson.]

Then Germany won’t have fox 3

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

Id rather not have fox3 and move it to 11.7. That would at least make it playable. ​

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

​@@cptstratboss8561 again, I see you in several comments screaming skill issue. When is your f4ice video showing us all how it's done going to drop?

[@gabrielabreu5200]

@@Shatheedjameson. Gaijin made up a f16 for japan, im sure they can solve this issue.

[@House_of_Schmidt]

Top tier is just aweful. Idk how tf Gaijin thinks this is acceptable.

[@Juho-uf8si]

12.3 harriers and j8f already have 2-4 ARH's so it really wouldnt make any difference, yeah playing 11.3 is pretty horrible at the moment with the viggen with f15's f16's and now ARH carriers are pretty common sight. im just gonna play 13.0 in sim now that i got gripen c and f15c grinded and not gonna go below that before they bump up ARH carriers.

[@FlickCheney2147]

I usually agree with you guys but im loving top tier right now its kinda nice not having everyone hug the ground. I do wish there was smaller lobbies though. I think they are scared of a situation they created of the the premium bombers destroying smaller lobbies

[@TallyPatka-dz2cz]

the russians only have 96 but those are large caliber so maybe a slight difference

[@matte_the_ranger]

I will just comment about the end about the modern jet combat and how it works. In fact it's quite opposite, people who wants these 16v16 and fox three missiles at same time wouldn't have interest into modern jet combat as it's most of time BVR only and usually without shooting down a plane. If you want modern jet combat just put them in 4v4 and death from enemy or by crashing = no rewards no matter what you do (to prevent just yolo firing all missiles and getting shot down). You would force teams into teamplay and strategic play which is how you use modern jets. Not just 16v16 mess in middle of the map. Would it be realistic? Yes. Would it be boring? Also yes but that is just how air to air combat works with fox one and fox three missiles. And how would you win the 4v4 if people would avoid shooting down enemy planes? Just do more objectives than enemy team in the 25 minutes timer.

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

75% of the problems with top tier ARB could be solved by making teams smaller and adding bigger maps

[@zayf1760]

Nice vid, also am I the only that actually prefers the current meta over the IRCCM furballs bs we had before? I haven't gone through the pain of a full stock grind so I might hate myself for that comment later

[@ruansteenkamp4289]

Smaller matches 30% of the time? My dude, where are you pulling this stat out from? I have the switch on and haven’t seen a smaller match the entire time

[@SeekerHead]

Just an estimate based on my most recent sessions

[@atlasrowe864]

Id just make it so each plane starts with 2 aamrams default just like how they start you with 2 9ms or 9ls then unlock them fully. Pretty simple cut and dry solution

[@fboyg91]

It is still the absolute worst at everything it does. The very best this thing can ever hope for is parity. It has 0 advantages against anything it fights. That’s a good indication it’s BR is too high.

[@SeekerHead]

Hint: not everything that fights ARH missiles HAS ARH missiles…

[@galacticdragon9841]

I am really not a fan of the ge for war thunder ads that are everywhere now, those are there to sell all your information, and they encourage gaijin to make ge even more required for grinding because of how people can get a good chunk of ge for free.

[@floridaman9314]

They should just put it at 12.3

[@T95man]

No

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

Yes

[@T95man]

It’s a good plane. How do you not see that

[@floridaman9314]

@@T95man nah

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

​@@T95man what's your in game name? Just want to see if u are a German main or if u are a Russian main troll (the t95 name makes me think you are). U can't support your argument that is good if you don't have proof that you use it and are actually good in it

[@BugattiONE666]

Ok so how is it worse than FA.2 or F3 Late?

[@DevinEMILE]

I mean as an avid F3 enjoyer, They've always just been slightly better Phantoms. It just didnt matter because all you fought was F16s that could outrun you and outturn you.

[@YF23BlackWidowll]

Because Britain has a gripen this is all Germany has

[@therealwildboar1007]

They're basically in the same grade of awful.

[@oyevintj]

We just gonna forget when the Javelin was added?

[@rs5974]

1:13 OF wtf? can you do OF ?

[@kerushade8127]

If you think the F4F ice is the worst top tier then ya have no idea about the tornado F3 Late

[@SeekerHead]

I found the tornado much easier to play in this meta

[@ThePadadada]

i also think the F18 radar is underperforming

[@tedrogers3363]

Kid named Tornado F.3 Late:

[@SeekerHead]

Tornado has way more countermeasures and arguably better flight model

[@Infinite-INF]

​​@@SeekerHead Better flight model A tornado? Countermeasures? Yes. Flight model? N o. F4F gets Agile Eagle it turns much better than the brick but i do agree Tornado is better. And it gets 120B

[@SeekerHead]

Tornado has more thrust to weight and wins a rate fight. Phantoms only advantage flight model wise is AOA

[@Infinite-INF]

@@SeekerHead i still doubt a tornado is winning in a dogfight agianst any agile Eagle Phantom. Those things are pure bricks much more than phantoms

[@errornamenotfound2513]

​@@SeekerHead pretty sure it barely loses energy because it just Cannot use that energy to actually bank hard. What's the point of energy retention if ur turning radius is just as big as a 4 engine bomber

[@skatemaster33]

Multipath is not the real problem tbh, it's the dumb ass team deathmatch really

[@junknvamps1804]

Yea, fly the tornado f3 late thats arguable worse. You can notch quick enough, playing on the deck is terrible. Its just bad

[@SeekerHead]

It actually has a lot of countermeasures at least

[@junknvamps1804]

​@SeekerHead it kind of helps, but getting the full effectiveness out of them is hard. Trying to notch as I said pretty hard cause of the turn rate, and it's basically impossible to go cold in time at altitude.

[@therealwildboar1007]

@@junknvamps1804 I'd say the F3 Late and F4F are basically comparable when you account for where one is slightly better or worse than the other, then realize those differences mean nothing in the face of their competition.

[@SkinkUA]

He gets 5 kill games every game man

[@kiri101]

aCTiVaTE wInDOws

[@mutzen557]

bro forgot about the sea harrier 2 💀

[@SeekerHead]

12.3

[@errornamenotfound2513]

Still a top tier vehicle though. Or look at the Tornado F3 which has significantly worse flight performance than a phantom on the same BR as ICE

[@SeekerHead]

I don’t consider 12.3 “top tier”, they can fight 23MLs and F4S.. Also, the Tornado actually has better flight performance in all but AOA.

[@Veector94]

Sounds like Skill Issue (¬‿¬)

[@orange1718]

I don’t get why almost every update is like a monkeys paw or yknow beware what you wish for. Every update to air rb just feels one step forward two steps back

[@misslebirdgaming8357]

WOMP WOMP

[@OneMoreDesu]

Another salt story about how you can't abuse multipathing anymore. You clearly don't enjoy being challenged, so I recommend the He100d or the P-63a10.

[@SeekerHead]

Bad players love the change because they can get kills easier. Skill floor is higher and ceiling is lower. That’s Gaijins goal anyway, so I’m not surprised.

[@Loudward__]

I haven’t seen a single person besides cc’s Unironically grind and play this.

[@SalSal-om1en]

What is cc?

[@gabrielabreu5200]

Content Criators​@@SalSal-om1en

[@admiralbimback2062]

@@SalSal-om1en content creator

[@SeekerHead]

(It’s a horrible use of your time)

[@raketny_hvost]

gayjob just want to make game as realistic as life in 2024 is. they make it total bullshit with hatred rising towards the matter of universe itself

[@roebuckpayne]

Seek, top tier isn't broken because of the accuracy or inclusion of modern missiles. The game mode needs to adapt. This has been an issue for 10 years and as much as you like to rant and love Jets, I would figure you for somebody who would understand what we are all looking at here. No, FOX3s do not need to be nurfed. No, multipathing does not need to be re-raised to 100 meters so people can "opt-out" of notching if they wish. No, realism does not need to be thrown out so we can all have a fun 'LIL arcady blast. And NO, we don't need shortened BR spreads so 13.0s only fight 13.0s and 12.7s only fight 12.7s. . . . The REALISTIC game mode needs a restructuring more like simulator now more than ever; With a "come & go as you please" attitude toward matches, where time limits and massive team merges are extinct, where your radar knowledge, use, and skill is your ticket to awareness, not your crew skill point investment. With a plethora of playstyles open to you, and big huge maps with 12v12 or higher who've been sweatily fighting for an hour, or a 2v2 tiny little map where people are relaxed, calmly patrolling sections of map in shifts. YOU pick, PLAYERS choose. Play as you like, join a match, start your own, YOU, DO, YOU! THAT is what we need for Realistic Air. We need the sim game mode for RB!

[@SeekerHead]

You kinda missed the entire point of the video. I didn’t say air rb doesn’t fundamentally need to change, but what I am saying is that its best to leave some aspects (multipath for example) gamey, until the rest of the game catches up. Just because it’s realistic doesn’t mean it’s good for the game. (Spoiler, it’s not realistic due to free height and trees not counting into multipath).

[@roebuckpayne]

@@SeekerHead I wouldn't say I missed that. The current state of multipath is plenty gamey, IF , they fix map and gameplay issues such as gigantic trees and actually implement the rest of the core gameplay changes I mentioned above. Stock grinds are as bad now as ever, but I don't see them getting better without a major overhaul to the game mode of RB air itself. The game isn't going to magically become OK once everybody is equally OP, it needs a change that actually lets players not matching the meta to DO something in matches.

[@roebuckpayne]

Addition; basically man, what Im saying is Fox3 carrying F15s vs a SARH carrying phantom will never be "fair," but it will be not-a-death-sentence if we can have a gamemode more like sim.

[@SeekerHead]

There it is. Just go play sim man, don’t ruin everyone else’s game trying to make it into something it isn’t and isn’t trying to be

[@roebuckpayne]

@@SeekerHead There's no reason to be antagonistic. Sim gives some people motion sickness and most of us also like flying in mouse aim. I'm making decent points about the game mode and player's ability to play their way. No reason to get defensive. Also, people like me want an ADDITIONAL game mode man. The only people ruining others' fun are people saying "No you can't have that cuz I say so. Do it how I say!" Which is you right now man.... Relax. If you wana continue the conversation, I'd be happy to discuss the legitimate gameplay affects of a game mode with extended time limit and reduced markers. ;)

[@The17thEditionGoober]

You should activate windows

[@AverageWTPilot]

Yeah it sucks :(

[@Marco-cg7fb]

I’d take that over the tornado any day of the week

[@ev0h]

I liked the video before watching it because regarding the title I 115% agree..

[@cptstratboss8561]

Fix your skill issue

[@T95man]

@@cptstratboss8561stop being the way you are. I know the plane isn’t bad but blaming everything on skill issue is stupidity

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

​@@cptstratboss8561 is going to drop a video on how to play f4ice because he's so good at it right?

[@ev0h]

@@cptstratboss8561 Eew cringe

[@DripSticky]

Nobody is saying the ice is bad, we are saying its not possible to compete against the aircraft its fighting

[@THR1VE_]

the harrier is much worse

[@SeekerHead]

12.3

[@zach-p120]

i love the ice it is one of my favorites, u guys are just haters. (skill issue)

[@aldocarulli3054]

German mains when their new top tier toy is not an absolute meta monkey beast ---> 😭😭😭😭😭 Play another tree, you can't have the best top tier vehicle every other patch.

[@Shatheedjameson.]

Seek I love you

[@Colourfoool]

activate your windows..

[@misslebirdgaming8357]

Playing passive makes you what intelligent??? Play lower BR IF YOU dont like the new missles and tactics. If someone dosent like 7.0 8.0 jet tactics then they should go back to props. Time changes so do tactics. Going defensive properly is what being a modern pilot is about. Get your missles out and pit bulled then turn to defense. Defense is offense when deployed properly. You charged young sigma male thinking that a certain play style is more or less manly is very telling of your age and status in life.

[@wapniak666]

this is video game, real life "meta" is just boring

[@gabrielmannarino]

Exactly, the old style gameplay is still there. It didn't go away. As someone who plays WT when real life leaves me out of time to play DCS, this is one of the best updates I played. It isn't perfect, 16v16 is a headache some times, but when I want some gunfights, my beloved Spit mk 24 is still there

[@cptstratboss8561]

@@wapniak666 Fix your skill issue grow up

[@wapniak666]

@@cptstratboss8561? What skill issue

[@aysahh]

@@cptstratboss8561 13 year old pov, nice brain.

[@remipast3347]

Skill issue

[@mohammadsab4478]

Activate windows

[@einstein3100]

yeay but its cool😎😎😎😎

[@vinzent-ox6nc]

go activate windows

[@notmyrealaccount5245]

Activate your windows

[@mrgarland5210]

Gonna have to disagree with you. This top tier patch has been a blast. First off I play the mirage so actually having a radar missile able to compete with everyone and not a sparkler like R530D has been great. Second the meta is so much more fun. You can don't just have to skim the deck the whole way because R27 rules the sky and going above a tree is danger zone. Thidly people are going to adapt. It was the same for every power creep but eventually people will pick up and enjoy the new way to play. For me much more variety. Still need smaller teams to be better and larger maps with more objectives like bases.

[@Grimmy_Grimes]

Remove the AMRAAM, give it AIM-7M. Make it 12.3, maaaybe 12.0

[@LakuzG]

Love ur vids can u pin me for no reason so when ur famous people can look at this comment and be like" dam that guy is begging for a pin"

[@brendensmithmusic278]

Everybody needs to stop complaining about stock grinds. They added tue game mode air arcade assault. This gives u on average 3-10k rp per match that you use to grind out your modifications so u can take the plabe into reaistic. Taking a stock plane into realistic is just moronic and asking to die. F16a starts with aim9js. 2 of them then 6 before the aim9l. There is 0% chance i am dumb enough to take that plane into realistic battle till i get aim9l unlocked. Or you will be stuck just fighting with guns the whole time. And you get a chest the first match of the day with it too. Cant beat it

[@admiralbimback2062]

Unfortunately air arcade assault sucks and currently doensn't allow 13.0 planes.

[@Infinite-INF]

Well this is a stupid take!

[@brendensmithmusic278]

@@admiralbimback2062 it doesnt?? Air assault sucks but is the best option and really it only sucks because of the br compression. They allow prop planes and intro jet fighters to compete with rank 8 aircraft. They give each br their own bracket like the lower tiers it goes to being top tier. I unlocked the aim7f and the aim54 sparrows for my f14a in a few hours instead of multiple days of miserable grinding in rb to rage quit as you get killed. Them not allowing 13.0 is crazy to me as i assume its to avoid the arh missiles but they still allow the pheonixs and planes that can launch 8 missiles at once

[@cptstratboss8561]

It’s meant to be played at range. Your a terrible pilot. Grow up

[@elkrumb9159]

You’re joking lmao

[@H-cranky]

me when every other fox 3 plane can also play at range:

[@bagelmaster2498]

@@H-crankyyea “range” as in youre too slow to outrun any enemy plane so you can’t even play to its strength

[@Loudward__]

Wait until you realise bad planes are bad! Sad!

[@ChaseMcDude]

drop your IGN and show everybody here that you're dog water

[@occho787]

Stock grind weren't even that painful, it was enjoyable.

[@luuk341]

You are tripping. The grind to get AMRAAMS with the ICE was hell.

[@igoryst3049]

yeah 2 missiles until tier 2 of mods sounds enjoyable as fuck

[@occho787]

@@igoryst3049 just go for rocket pods and base runs

[@occho787]

@@luuk341 was not i managed to spade it in 1 single day