German Sub Tree INCOMING - Update 2.39 Sixth Leaks - War Thunder

[@TheEuropeanCanadian]

With the first devblog of the season comes a new leak list fresh off the press. Timestamps are everywhere for it and also a sub tree for Germany to help them in air. Let me know if you think Germany should get the hornet first

[@flymoore]

Fun fact about the P16, the wings were used for the original Learjet and was modified over the years with the newer learjets

[@geeno_ms5233]

Yeah for me its fine it should recive it first since USA already have 2 really Capable Fox-3 Carriers Soo.. right now its not needed for them it just redundant and it would also powercreep USA even more Soo.. Lets the "minor" Nations have fun atleast for one Time.

[@firewolfy_6]

Germany should get the MW1 for the Tornado WTD so its set apart from the Marine fliger variant.

[@itslarsplaying]

When I read "german sub tree" i thought submarines😢

[@kiliandrilltzsch8272]

We wish

[@jordanr0419]

Unfortunately subs are gonna be really hard to make work, as subs strength are in surprise attacks, not being seen. Most subs that were seen by warships turned tail and ran. In WT when surface ships get out in a match they’re gonna know there are subs out there so they won’t stay still.

[@MrSoresu]

Oh god, I'm having fucking WoWs flashbacks. I dropped that game as soon as those annoying little bastards were released.

[@BETTER.ART.]

@@jordanr0419 We already had 2 Submarine events in WT and they worked, so I wouldn't be so sure.

[@SkopiousIsHere]

same, i wish they would add subs, it would most likely revive naval, and bring them more money with premiums

[@PhantomofPhreedom]

wow Germany actually might be getting a CAS jet that's not trash

[@Shaboomquisa]

tornado is alright

[@Jonathan-yu9ui]

Not since they nerfed its bomb release speed ​@@Shaboomquisa

[@cold3341]

the swiss f-18s dont use any air to ground stuff

[@user-qv6gp4ux1l]

@@Shaboomquisa it´s not turns slow , weak weapons bc you can´t realy use them at the br just bc of pantsir ( when uptierd ) and 2s6 and strela ( yes the strela can be dangerous even at 11.3 ) and sins ther is not realy a line up for tornado (11.3) you ether have to buy the 2pl , 2a4can , or stiraght up all ways uptier it with the leopard line 2a5/6/7´s and even if you have an spawn , you must have luck that ther is no air spawn camper with fox 3 rokets or striaght up an f16 or su27 .

[@Shaboomquisa]

@@user-qv6gp4ux1l I just use guided bombs I get kills. better than everything else at top tier. it gets the job done if you know what your doing

[@letto18]

*sees title, 1st thought is U-Boats are coming*

[@edinpuzic8017]

11:29 man that shot was nutty lmao niceshot

[@superbuster11]

The "Osa" might be also in polish tech tree if we had one ;)

[@GHOST_CROATIA]

Are you polish? If yes, in which tech tree would you like poland to be in?

[@tkg__]

@@GHOST_CROATIA I'm Polish too, but it would have to split between US/Brits and USSR.

[@tkg__]

Osa was used pretty much in all of the Warsaw Pact countries.

[@adhx7506]

@@tkg__ Putting Poland into Russia HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@superbuster11]

@@GHOST_CROATIA Yes, I'm Polish. Actually there will be problem to put Poland in one tech tree. But for independent tech tree there might be not enough vehicles. It would be a small tech tree with many copy-paste vehicles.

[@ulfhedtyrsson]

Therapist: It's okay, I assure you. IFV Shilka does not exist. I'm sure tomorrow's assualt will go flawlessly with minimal losses. *IFV Shilka 'Desecrator'*

[@TheEuropeanCanadian]

BRRRRTTTT

[@Consumpter]

Watch it be 6.7 and labled as a light tank

[@Echo_4609]

Crazy how we have the Hood, and now a Queen Elizabeth class, yet still no Bismarck.

[@mathewtheis9139]

There is 20-30 years between those designs. The Bismarck is a whole league ahead of those ships

[@Echo_4609]

@@mathewtheis9139 the Bismarck literally fought and sunk the Hood

[@mathewtheis9139]

@@Echo_4609 just because they fought each other, doesn’t mean they’re in the same league as each other. You got to go look at the tonnage the weaponry the armor they are total different classes of ship the USS Washington also fought a Congo class battle cruiser total one-sided unfair fight they keep warships and service for decades, dude.

[@mathewtheis9139]

@@Echo_4609 those ships have been more in line with the World war1 Bayern class or maybe the Scharnhorst.

[@xZeanu]

I’m still butthurt that we haven’t got the LAV-25

[@darugdawg2453]

fix abrams

[@_b_x_b_1063]

LAV-AD

[@xZeanu]

@@_b_x_b_1063 that is not the same thing, LAV-25 had a bushmaster cannon

[@GP15Connoisseur]

If Gaijin adds the Swiss F/A-18C to Germany, folks should keep in mind that: - It’ll only get AIM-9P-5s for IR guided missiles, since AIM-9X might be a little too broken at this stage. It’d also, and most likely, get the AIM-120B. 120C-7 would be in the same boat as the 9X. The 9X and 120C may be added in a future update though. - It will have no air-to-ground ordinance, since the Swiss use their Hornets specifically as air superiority fighters. So no Hornet CAS……yet. So, yeah, if Gaijin added this Hornet, it won’t be all that impressive, but it will give players a chance to test out the Hornet before they eventually get added into the other big tech/sub-tech trees.

[@KokotoHero-N3]

Gaijin Challenge: Try not to give Russia a new AA every update - Impossible

[@kokuta1941]

Sound like "try not to give russia another new T-80" Would fit more....

[@sushmitriyanbasuli6889]

Average US main sad that he can't bomb people in their spawn?

[@DzinkyDzink]

​@@kokuta1941there are only 6 noteable models to go 2 of which don't fit the current 11.7

[@ayeyochill5048]

More like try not to give Russia any new vehicles in general with each update

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

the AGM114K hellfire is the same existing hellfire we have always had in-game on other helis. the AH1Z never should of had the AGM114B because that missile STOPPED production TWENTY yes (20) years before the AH1Z Started production. it NEVER used them and has been something people have screamed about for over 4 years now sense it was added. Only the AH1W Fired the AGM114Bs & Fs. Ks were probably fired too but it was near its end of life.

[@007Davis]

Very happy to see Warspite is on its way but not happy if it's an event vehicle.

[@SkywalkerWroc]

Yea, same with Nagato that was added a while back. Really hope both of them hit the tech tree.

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

Smin in the forum said it's not going to be an event vehicle

[@007Davis]

@@lukewhitehouse4103 I hope that is true and if so I will be a very happy chap indeed.

[@007Davis]

@@SkywalkerWroc fingers crossed for both ships and I do hope we get HMS Rodney with her 16 inch guns.

[@deepath5209]

New JPN tanks is welcome ANYTIME!

[@TheEuropeanCanadian]

true

[@petergray2712]

The CTMV is brand new. The procurement order was only announced in the spring of this year.

[@xXx_Funni_xXx]

Still waiting for my ww2 prototype vechicles and decals AND F-2

[@TheEuropeanCanadian]

@@xXx_Funni_xXx I just want all the silly light tanks they madr

[@areyou0k98]

People complaining about the Swiss F-18 dont realize that it has absolutely zero cas/ air to ground capabilities. It is strictly an air to air F-18 only. So other countries arent missing out on a proper F-18 and germany gets a usable plane in the meantime. As a USA main I have no issue with it.

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

US pretty much only has two exclusive modern jet fighters. F14 series at what will be the F22. Many nations use the F/A-18 so I expect to see many show up.

[@uslessrobot0763]

GAIJIN! ADD A CANADIAN SUB TREE/TECHTREE TO THE GAME AND MY SOUL IS YOURS!

[@dylanallahar5711]

make it a commonwealth tree, I've been praying for the CAC Sabre in the british tree since the cl13 came out and started bullying my hunter F1

[@swissfreek]

8:03 YESSSSSS!!!! Personally think it should be in the French tree to balance things out a bit, but still cool. There's a lot of planes in the various trees that could be Swiss as well. Moraine-Saulnier, Potez, Mirage III, Bf-109, P-51, Vampire, you could do an event vehicle for the Mosquito in Swiss colors (they only had a couple). Yeah, they'd all be copy-paste except for one or two, but whatever, that's pretty much everything in the game at this point. I know they've said they can't fit another branch in either Germany or France, but I think that would make an interesting lineup, too, especially for France with the German and American tanks that would get added. They actually did have a few unique tanks as well.

[@Johnathan-mj4ei]

didnt france just get benelux?

[@thatoneguy1741]

@@Johnathan-mj4ei arguably it should have been reversed

[@David-cm4dr]

Yes buff france when you have a insane fox 3 missile but no buff france even more when germany doesnt have shit

[@swissfreek]

@@David-cm4dr In fairness I agree the French air tree isn't *horrible*, I was thinking more about Ground. But don't try and tell me the German Air tree has shit LOL.

[@bagelmaster2498]

@@swissfreekyou realize Benelux ground will probably come as well? And guess what, it’ll come with a Leo 2 variant so everyone gets a Leo 2

[@gintonic5424]

ROMANIA MENTIONED RAAAAAAHHHHH

[@dadu6264]

finally brother

[@alphaOne826]

Their will not be a romainian Subtree or something simular

[@dadu6264]

​@@alphaOne826says who?

[@gunsblazing4509]

@@dadu6264 Where would you put it? Hungary already takes up a 5th line in Italy, so not really more room without introducing 6-line trees.

[@BDP0408]

One step closer to the A37B dragonfly!

[@rodolfohernandez3303]

I will very pissed if the F-18 Hornet is added to the Swiss in the German Tech Tree.

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

As long as every country that has it gets it at the same time idc

[@keanestewart4837]

@@ICECAPPEDSKY thatll never happen, look at the current state of top tier air.... unfair as fuck

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

@@keanestewart4837 happened when the F-16 came out

[@mameshiba1681]

I can smell the 140mm leo2 coming with the Swiss sub tree

[@agustinf1372]

Japan: Yep, they need it more than I

[@Jessica_Johnson1995]

WARSPITE! Finally! It took a long damn time but finally! Wish it was a tech tree vehicle though

[@thisherehandleIdospout]

Someone else here in the comments was saying that Smin said it won't be an event vehicle, at least. IDK 🤷‍♂

[@aekoriginal5469]

I would love to see a Greek sub tree, but the problem is that the Hellenic Army has assets from different countries (BMPs, LEOs, Mirages, F16s just to name a few) and it will be so difficult to have them under a specific nation😢

[@Thatonedude90]

US finally getting their first in service vehicle in game and it’s the a-10c which will probably 14.7, I love when gajin adds us designed, produced, and manufactured US VEHICLES and the US DOENST GET THE VEHICLE

[@joshuaevans8095]

This is going to be the AV-8B+ all over again, US made/used vehicle only added for a nation that bought it from the US.

[@T95man]

It’s not even German, it’s Swiss.

[@AlphaJulietBravo1]

I’m fine with it, Germany needs something interim until we get to later 4th gens As long as I’m not waiting for almost a year

[@kajmak64bit76]

If Germany doesn't get swiss F-18 they would be stuck with F-4F ICE and MiG-29G until Eurofighter lol

[@AlphaJulietBravo1]

@@kajmak64bit76 I’m still not entirely sure we will see advanced 4th gen this year. By next for sure.

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

@@kajmak64bit76 the EF and F-18 both have very good dogfight preformance. they are pretty much equal, both very dangerous at low speeds. we could get an early typhoon now

[@SwankParrot]

3:39 minivan with missiles

[@jack988_3]

It's so funny looking, you see similar looking vans all the time around here

[@calamitist]

*me grinding usa because F18 will be added* *gaijin decides to add yhe f18 to germany instead* *☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️* (highst br german plane i have is the mig23bn)

[@zehi04]

i know, this is complete bullshit, i guess if you want to fly american vehicles you should grind anything except the US because it doesnt get it's stuff

[@Momo-pm6ot]

womp womp

[@qwartz_]

​@@zehi04 US mains need to stfu and stop whining that they dont get everything every update, germany is unplayable and that is the only reason they are getting a f18c bc they need effective planes with fox 3s yall already have the best cas, fighters, and bvr you dont need it, it will just be outclassed by stuff you already have and get ignored.

[@altra1616]

@@qwartz_ i dont care about no new planes for the us, i as a us main just want a good AA at top teir thats on par with panstir s1. cuz adatas just aint it

[@Hehenotyoda]

For fick sake, now i have to grind the German air tree to get the swiss F 18

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

Why

[@Thatonedude90]

@@ICECAPPEDSKYbecause the us aren’t allowed to have us vehicles

[@banggobang5148]

11:26 Bruh, wth is that shot loll

[@Tufeoo]

not having panzerhaubitze 2000 is a disappointment...

[@elmanco6885]

the Kfir C.10 it's a upgrade on the radar and other avionics for the Kfir, Colombia Air Force was seen using Derby missiles on their Kfir's, as it's radar was the same on the IAI Lavi. Maybe it will fill a br similar to the F-4 ICE

[@ancientwarrior3482]

I need my Finnish F/A-18

[@Wolffjaeger]

they gonna have to add US and Finnish variant at the same time or we bout to have problems

[@RimCheck]

I love seeing a class 3 p player welcome my long lost brother!

[@nightwolf2378]

So techinally 2 9K33s have a chance of coming to the British tree as well, 1 in indian service, and 1 that was captured by the South africans that was used by Angola,

[@agentmonde1]

Didn't the South Africans capture the most advanced version of this AA

[@nightwolf2378]

@@agentmonde1 I do believe so yeah lol

[@GeorgeBush-yh6wg]

finally some good top tier planes for germany

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

I might as well not crew the f4f kms then. Im still currently researching it.

[@connorjones6222]

11:25 what a shot

[@IceGuadian]

im curioust to when the dutch Fokker DXXI will be added to the benelux tech tree as it is already in the game under the finnish flag as tt and premium vehicle

[@ghost_trooper3249]

As a swiss i like the new swiss sub tree

[@ZeePanzer]

Jokes on you, im hyping the Kfir C10 (if i remember correctly it can fire derbys and Python 4s

[@iangrobler4792]

They should add the atlas cheetah dide come on!!! 😂❤

[@dualie5466]

Kinda sick and tired that still waiting on Japan getting a sub tree that actually makes it worth playing any jet in ground

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

They are lined up for a full Thai tree it looks like.

[@Kettleman1.0]

With new crew models, east german/ west german pilot models would be cool

[@Termii.]

lets goo osa for germany

[@poseidonschef]

After the Queen Mary and now probably the Warspite I definitely want to see the Derfflinger filling the gap between Von der Tann and Scharnhorst...

[@allen_1446]

It is incredible that the lav-25 has not yet been added 💔

[@burgirassist]

Hell yeah, i grind Germany and i am gaining confidence that i could have not choosen better

[@crashsmash6090]

Finally new jets to study and learn the airframe

[@hawk1559]

So still No Tech tree heavy for Sweden

[@anton2417]

emil tank when?

[@victory7999]

Or Italy (waiting for the 44M Tas)

[@fabbrulafalce8062]

they are injecting italy whit more and more sub tech trees XD

[@stormy_in_vr640]

they better add the hornet to the american and swedish/finnish line

[@_YouTube-User_]

Britain could also get it as a Canadian vehicle

[@britishbred52]

not all nations should have eachothers planes edit: im talking about adding it to the swedish tt, of course usa should have it lol

[@stormy_in_vr640]

@@britishbred52 yeah but its an american plane, and sweden is lacking top tier air vehicles, only 1

[@gp33music41]

​@@britishbred52but it's literally America's PREMIER naval fighter....

[@Kaciu-_-]

@@britishbred52 it's literally a US NAVY main jet

[@warthunderclipper]

Shilka M2 would be weird without radar. I could see it being 7.3 or 7.7

[@bushboi]

Aaah i have a reason to take out the M48A1 now. Still wish the US could get more M48's and M551's

[@blitzkrieg8776]

I wish they would lower the Me262A-1 Schwalbe and Jabo to be at 6.7 for ground realistic battles.

[@Organic_Chemistry_Junkie]

They should be 6.7, period. The A-2a has identical flight performance to both and doesn't cause matchmaking problems.

[@britishbred52]

it would be nice to actually get some stuff for britain

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

If the swiss vehicles are released, what lines will they go into?

[@viktorgavorn4635]

the fact that you keep comparing the SU-24 to the F-105 is driving me nuts. The F-111 exsists

[@legeraviation]

How is the T1E1 coming to the game when I literally played it yesterday???

[@alphaOne826]

The Question is what mean delayed, is it a week or two or does it mean 2 Weeks that the Question here

[@qwartz_]

it prolly means till the next update

[@einpioneer4677]

7:09 the second ww2? There was a second one?

[@SadisNic]

No Centauro 2, this is the real list because Gaijin will never give Italy it's crown jewel

[@derhasso6123]

F-18 to Germany because of Swiss is like the J.Pz.K wathever it's called 105, french turret and gun, used by swiss, clearly a German vehicle. After severe backlash they added it to the french too.

[@Unreasonable_Gaming]

I wonder if we will finally get the fire and forget hellfire missiles

[@derboss.]

gimma ma teaser today

[@Asgar1205]

Of course the Swiss fa18 is delayed, Germany can enjoy the F4 ICE a little longer xD

[@RedVRCC]

Oh wow he actually made it over 5 minutes into a video without saying "access to" 1000 times.

[@Chewbakaya]

does the uk only get helicopters and boats ?

[@tomatoflight]

F-18 clickbait is echoing the boy who cried wolf

[@braedenfurman9434]

I for one welcome the T1E1 90mm...

[@Vipersnake21]

Japan needs much more a subtree

[@susowarriors1874]

THUD MENTIONED RRRAAAHHHH (Gaijin F-105F/G when?)

[@DeanBoi345]

So they are adding the Hornet to the German tech tree but the american?

[@Bf109F-4lover]

Gaijin refused, refuses and keeps refusing to add a Romanian sub tree.

[@l4bells851]

I wish they added Austria to the subtree too...

[@darkhowling6425]

What skin is that on the class 3? And the Kfir c10 is Derby capable btw. Making it ANOTHER Fox 3 slinger

[@geeno_ms5233]

The principal missile configuration of the C10 Is 2 Python-4 and 2 Derbys.

[@Nynyso]

Germany mains: Now we're safe

[@BoweryTundra396]

Italy still doesn't have a plane or tank squadron vehichle

[@AverageSunfush]

Fun fact you can play the warspite in war thunder mobile right now

[@Disbandeddeath1]

Mean while French blue water still suffers so bad

[@derbrombeerbaum3049]

Who plays Blue Water?

[@MrSoresu]

Will the A-10 actually not explode from just being stared at compared to the SU-25 finally? Please for the love of god say yes. ;.;

[@botaccount5166]

Hope they won't add Warspite or QE as a pemium. I don't want top tier saturated.

[@qwertyuiop5530]

Really? Swiss sub tree but no Polish? Maybe Gajin is afraid that their russian player base will review bomb war thunder site after adding Poland?

[@CoolLink-Zelda]

I just think the swiss are a bit better because less copy paste and some good top tier jets. Poland has the problem that it already has two vehicles in two different tech trees so maybe they aren't sure where to add poland yet

[@ops5161]

As someone from Poland, I genuinely wish they DON'T add a polish sub-tree, given how they executed the Finnish, hungarian (air and partly ground), along with Benelux sub-trees the polish sub-tree will probably be copy paste of german, soviet (and maybe couple) american vehicles.

[@Johnathan-mj4ei]

@@ops5161 they should make Poland its OWN individual nation. that would be very nice to see. and maybe (If they make poland as a individual nation) they can move over the leopard 2 PL to the polish tree and everyone who already has it already has a rank 8 tonke for the tree. idk its just a quick silly little idea i just thought of nobody attack me for this lol

[@CrazySummerDude]

@@Johnathan-mj4einot enough vehicles for that

[@overlyzealous274]

​@@CrazySummerDude just make it a tech tree including Poland, Romania, Ukraine and one other country I can't remember. Would be enough to fit. Also Poland wouldn't exactlt be copy and paste because we have some special variants of some vehicles. Could also be an opportunity to add a South korean Light attack Jet that poland uses etc.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

Will germany mains finally shut up with a whole subtree ? But i hope only Germany gets the FA-18, that way we will transition to another period of USA mains having strokes on every comment section

[@demondangr]

Im a US main, but how would germany getting the only f-18 make ANY sense? I get that some might say "the us already has great toptiers", but if the game wants to be historically accurate, then atleast give one to the US aswell. Personally ive been waiting for the F18 ever since I unlocked the f16c.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

@@demondangr it could come later in the next update, germany is obviously getting it because they are desperate in that area. And making sense and following logic... we are talking about Gaijin here

[@demondangr]

@@nicolaspeigne1429 I mean yeah germany does have absolutely vile toptier vehicles in terms of gameplay, but still though, maybe they should just give it something else, does germany really not have ANY other toptiers they could add other than a brand new one that should come to multiple nations at once?

[@txcgladiator4030]

Ah yes, let’s deny the F18 to the country that built it because German mains are so terrible at the game that they require American tech to get kills

[@anton2417]

@@txcgladiator4030 classic, german mains literally always get spoonfed and still complain. oh the panther isnt fast enough, lets add the vk at 5.0, whilst being better than any sherman in the game.

[@desgard]

Finally something interesting for Germany nevermind it is for air i changed my mind

[@contemptordreadnought]

Bruh the f/a 18 is so needed for Germany and its gonna be so good

[@JonathanShirey-jk6iq]

Me still waiting for the T26E2

[@Organic_Chemistry_Junkie]

Nah we need a Super Pershing turret on top of a Jumbo Pershing hull. If one existed.

[@kineuhansen8629]

am i the only one who heard and the second world war 2 but please gaijin add warspite already in her ww2 refit and then add queen elizabeth in her ww1 version

[@MeanGreeny]

Nothing on the ground for Britain then. A high tier ship and Heli. How very disappointing.

[@ricolives1166]

I honestly can't see any other nation other than the US getting the F18 first.

[@jamiedecosta4553]

Honestly through it’s the only option for german air. The f4f ice is a brick and even it’s weaponry doesn’t manage to save it

[@qwartz_]

germany needs it bc they suffered irl durring the whole period air is currently in and their top tier is unplayabe right now, america and finland/sweeden will prolly get a version later

[@mlgrocket]

america getting a useless attacker while another nation gets an upgraded version of america's jet? yah that's just the usual. it's way too late to add the A-10C, the only upgrades it has are MAW, a built in IRCM and only 2 9M. it should have been added along with the SU-39, not after. and with the A-6 SWIP being in the lists constantly, that thing would be useless. it would be the exact same as the TRAM cause the only real difference is it's able to carry anti radiation missiles, which we definitely won't have in the game anytime soon.

[@Radial_Power]

Is a usa aa to fill in 4.3-7.7 too much to ask for? I use the M16 up to 7.0 since the M19 and M42 just feel like a game of luck

[@Mr.Aviation12121]

Fuking hell JF 17 BE GETTING ADDED TO WAR THUNDER❤❤❤

[@kiBe-]

4-7.3 aa for us when

[@zeta4687]

finally, germany getiing proper toptier jet

[@michele0553]

it makes no sense if they only put f18 on swiss

[@hugobrandt1353]

A aircraft Carrier? In war Thunder

[@thefamilydogs3213]

OMG if they do this with my F/A-18C I'll lose my mind on them! America first!!!!

[@qwartz_]

yall have the best everyting from cas to bvr to fighters its a game calm tf down you will get it but germany air is unplayable at the moment and they need it

[@callcentrelink7021]

​@@qwartz_ USA definitely doesn't have the best cas, that goes to Russia

[@geeno_ms5233]

Ah here we go again AMERICAN MAINS MOANING AGAIN FOR A JET THAT ITS NOT NEEDED FOR THEM RIGHT NOW.

[@thefamilydogs3213]

@@geeno_ms5233 cope

[@thefamilydogs3213]

@@qwartz_ cope

[@tothmatyas2177]

Ik usa bias or smh but i wanna play the hornet , dont knoe why germany is the only one getting it. (I grt it why they do it) but like finland could get the f18c. And dont know why we have to wait up to year for something we (us in this context) made.... (AV-8B vibes)

[@KNMRoaldAmundsen]

It’s probably coming to all 3 (usa, switzerland and Finland) if it does get added. Maybe they just only added the swiss one to wherever the leakers get their info due to it being a new subtree and the others being too obvious to add. Not sure tho

[@PaPaFiggy69]

I just dont get why they are getting it first?, like why not give it to U.S. and Germany. I but i mean whtevr at least they will eventually add it in for U.S. i guess

[@alvarovillatoro5187]

It would probably be very broken if it was introduced in the US tech tree, The Swiss version is probably far below Hornet's American version. ​@@PaPaFiggy69

[@qwartz_]

@@PaPaFiggy69 bc Us has the best everything and doesnt need another op cas option or op missile bus while already having f16s and f15s, yes its not realistic but its a game and needs balancing and germany air is uplayable so it makes sense.

[@Warthunderspecialist1]

I think if germany gets an F18 so should USA

[@jamiedecosta4553]

Perfectly good f15 tho

[@ancientwarrior3482]

Finland too