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The Old Powers are Waking Part 3
The Sword of the Morning and the Battle for the Dawn.
Theories and analysis of A Song of Ice and Fire using text evidence and quotes from George RR Martin.
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[@TheLadyWolf1]

Someone may have already said this, but what if "Dayne" is an old word for "Dawn," making House Dayne, "House of the Dawn" or "House of the Rising Sun." 😱

[@armyofninjas9055]

You Animal!

[@yetigriff]

Founded by Woody Gutherie

[@AbdulBido]

Day-ne-w

[@bobbobson661]

@@AbdulBido who knew ?

[@pyramidion5911]

It's definitely not a coincidence

[@arthurdayne8029]

Reminds me of Thor’s hammer, Mjöllnir: forged in the heart of a dying star, and wielded only by those who are worthy of it.

[@spiritwatcher]

THIS make me wonder who put more thought in to the books. George RR Martin or the people that make up the theory's.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

him...every time we research for a video, we find things that it almost seems impossible that he didn't at one point read...and he did it seemingly with every aspect of the story...the more research we do, the more we understand why his books take so long

[@spiritwatcher]

But cant it just be one big coincidence? I mean It doesn't take long to come up with names like jon, starfall, winterfell and people don't really know the name Sirius these day unless you watch harry potter. Or he just likes to be cryptic just to screw with us and possible to see what kind of theory people will make from his books.

[@witdajuice6763]

spiritwatcher you sound like someone who has never written anything, nor grasped the concept of the immense amount of time, research, language study, and long term planning that goes into writing fantasy books with complex histories and characters as in ASOIAF

[@mojolarryjoe]

Has to be GRRM. He takes way too long to write his books because he’s so meticulous

[@redsands2064]

@@witdajuice6763 I agree. And it takes geniuses like these two, The Order of the Green Hand to break it down the way they do. I mean, the angles which they delve into to bring clarity to us is just amazing. Kudos TOotGH.

[@backpfeifengesicht8415]

If he really considered all this... it's no wonder his books take so long to write. He'd actually be a quick writer given all the thoughts that'd go into this.

[@btaybreadtastic]

I love the quote at the end. Especially the part emphasising Benjen. It backs up the Stark family's importance in the wars to come without lying about Jon's parentage, with nephew potentially meaning Ed or Lyanna. Just damn good writing.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...George's word selection is incredible

[@Kaaaaaaaam]

He saw a meteor, followed it's trajectory, and found it's landing site. Or, the more likely explanation, he literally fell from space. xD And people say Preston has crazy theories. But, as a huge fan of the books I enjoy all theories if they are well thought out.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

in my research on meteors, I found that small meteors don't leave a trail that can be followed because it disappears in minutes, and doesn't impact with enough force to be able to find it afterwards unless you were standing right there...a large meteor has a trail that lasts for a few hours, but in order for it to have a trail that lasts long enough to follow on foot or horseback, it would have impacted with the force of a small nuclear bomb...we're not saying he fell from space...we're saying he was a god that descended from the stars

[@petterbystrom9946]

@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand you contradict yourself. You claim that it makes an explosion with a size similar to that of a nuclear weapon. Is it possible that even if you are far away, if you are an epic hero, that you might see it at a far distance. Wonder "What the **** was that?!" and ride to investigate? If you then, in the general direction of the huge explosion you saw, find an area that is completely burnt is it possible that you travel to the center of this area to find out what has been going down?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

@@petterbystrom9946 I never said the explosion is the size of a nuclear weapon...I said it hits with the force of a small nuclear weapon...and the legend literally says the guy followed the path of a falling star...that seems to imply that he followed the tail, which would usually be gone within minutes, which is why we think the guy would have had to have been pretty close to where it landed in order for that to happen, and therefore in an area where he would, at the very least get hit hard by the shockwave caused by the impact

[@petterbystrom9946]

@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand The path in no way implies a trail I'm afraid. I really like most of your theories but this one as well as little finger being in cahoots with the three eyed Raven are just too crazy. GRRM seems to prefer magic like Gandalfs Magic. You can't really tell what it does. It's just... Magic.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

@@petterbystrom9946 first of all, thank you...that's very much appreciated...the LF being in cahoots with the 3EC stems from the idea that he can, and does penetrate people's dreams...how he does it (glass candle or simply having the ability) is up for debate, but we're very confident he has that ability...the Ned chapter in the Black Cells has us convinced beyond reasonable doubt...this theory kind of ties into a Thor's Hammer like idea, or Excalibur from Arthurian legend...Dawn is treated like it's a God's weapon...you have to be worthy of it to wield it, and there aren't many examples of Sword's of the Morning in the histories, which seems to suggest that it often sits idle for hundreds of years waiting for a worthy candidate to present himself...there is no other weapon in the series that is treated this way...George has created fascinating ancient histories, all of which seem to include mythological demi-god-like characters...if this were historical fiction, they'd obviously be immediately dismissed as nothing more than legends, but this is a fantasy story...why have these ancient characters in a fantasy story if they aren't real? that's the beauty of fantasy...magical beings and characters are real in fantasy...we tend to think of the story as one in which history tends to repeat itself, and the descendants of these ancient demi-gods will have to rise to the occasion and fill the shoes of their ancient demi-god ancestors in order for mankind to survive the War to Come and win the new Battle for the Dawn...that would very likely make Dawn and the office of Sword of the Morning a central storyline in the pages to come, whereas the Iron Throne and mankind's struggle for power, money and glory filled the large portion of the storyline previously...getting back to Dawn being a God's weapon...that would require the first Sword of the Morning (the guy who either forged it or was the first to wield it) a god, which is sort of the point of this video...that and the Gods being closely associated with the stars

[@DavidBaronStevensPersonal]

Dawn = Jedi Lightsabre crystal Valeryan Steel = Sith crystal The Valeryans wanted to artificially create swords like Dawn to be prepared to fight the others again. "The dragons know..." but maybe the dragon riders forgot...

[@pyramidion5911]

This guy gets it ☝️ the swords are slept on by 99% of the fanbase

[@ashleyofnaath]

Now my GOT comment. This video, and all your descriptions of the "shooting stars", have reaffirmed my thought that Ashara Dayne is not dead. Septa Lemore= Pale Meteors. A pale meteor is on the Dayne sigil. Ashara is Septa Lemore.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Lady Green Hand has been trying to make an anagram out of Septa Lemore since we read the books the first time...she looks like if she could give you a cross country kiss right now, she would

[@ashleyofnaath]

Aww I love it! Mary Ellen is awesome❤. Another one is Septa Lemore= Team Elopers. Ned and Ashara eloped. It also could be argued that the anagram is applicable to Lyanna, because she and Rhaegar likely eloped as well. Which in a way does fit with the assertion of Lyanna giving birth Aegon. If Lyanna did give birth to Aegon, it would make sense that she'd be traveling with him.

[@brendanfechter4889]

The Order of the Green Hand hey guys there's one ugly roach in the rushes. Tyrion describes Septa Lemore as "past forty". But Ned was 35. So how can she be Ashara? Was Tyrion wrong?

[@asharadaynedragonblood1803]

Ashley of Naath Or Ashara is Quaithe, as Quaithe is clearly linked to stars. Moren than Lemore.

[@ashleyofnaath]

Lilli03071 Ashara I never bought as Quaithe, simply because Dany wouldn't recognize Ashara, so Ashara wouldn't need to hide her face. Also, Quaithe is a shadow binder. I don't recall Ashara ever being mentioned to dabble in dark arts. I think Quaithe could be Shiera Seastar. The sea star is another name for the North Star, which people use to guide them when they are lost, particularly when lost at sea. Quaithe tells Dany directly that she wants "to guide her". Whenever Dany is feeling lost as a leader or literally is lost, Quaithe comes to her. At the end of ADWD, Dany is lost in the Dothraki sea. She has a dream in which "she was flying once again, spinning, laughing, dancing, as the stars wheeled around her and whispered secrets in her ear." Dany calls to her, and next thing you know "then she saw. Her mask is made of Starlight. Remember who you are Daenerys. The dragons know. Do you?". So, I say all this to say, when Dany was 'lost at sea', the sea star appeared to guide her. Also, back at the beginning when the red comet is scene, the Dothraki called it "shierak qiya". The name Shiera is actually in that word. Dany thinks she is meant to follow that star, and she does. So it could be said "shierak" is literally guiding her. Which Quaithe tells Dany is her purpose. I connect the dots to fit with Shiera, but truly none of us knows for sure. That's the beauty of Martin's writing; two people can read the same thing and get two different meanings.

[@AnbruchASMR]

One of my most favorite topics in the books..House Dayne and Dawn🌠 So much mystery there and so many theory paths to go down. I loved this before I even watched it. I am so glad I found your channel. Such great stuff! 💜

[@edwardmanues6337]

Beauty

[@ramonalejandrosuare]

Lightbringer = Dawn What is dawn if not the bringing of light?

[@isarmawinter1816]

You have no idea how I LIVE for these concise, clear intelligent breakdowns of outside the box theories I live I live!🤣

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks so much! Glad we could help sustain you. haha :)

[@ayannaalexander390]

Isarma Winter 💩

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Incredible video. Your efforts are appreciated. I would love to know what you think about the character Edric Dayne, who they call Ned. He is so mysterious. If Eddard Stark was the reasoning behind Ashara's suicide - which I don't believe to be the case - why name the kid, Edric? What did Ned Stark do to earn such an honour?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is something we tried to shout from a mountain top when we first got started...I want to say it is included in part 2 of our N+A=J series but I could be wrong...we think Ashara is alive and is Septa Lemore and Aegon is R&L's son, and she went with him into exile because having purple eyes would make it possible for her to pose as his mother, and having just given birth to Jon, she was also able to care for the baby...its a lot more complicated than my one sentence explanation and makes more sense in the context of the rest of the series if you are interested

[@CaptCKernel]

Amazing video! Quick question/clarification: do you suggest that a Great Dayne fell to Westeros with Dawn, or that Dawn is more Arthurian in nature? (excuse the pun) While you make a suggestive case for the Great Dayne being a literal god, I couldn't help but get the feeling that Dawn itself was the fallen star and a Dayne happened upon it at Starfall and claimed it. This could still fit the Sword of the Morning = Azor Ahai narrative. I think that Rhegar would have made a connection between Dawn and Lightbringer while reading the prophecy. Both Ser Arthur and Lady Ashara were besties with Rhegar and Elia afterall...

[@SantiagoSernAZ]

what if Dawn is a lightsaber

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

may the force be with you.

[@trancehuman1063]

I don't think you could rule that out. Think it's Preston Jacobs that is convinced the WoI&F is a sci-fi universe. All these references to start beings and travel are adding weight to that theory.

[@ayannaalexander390]

SSTDE420 john is Not A HEBREW NAME THERE IS NO J IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE

[@stofsk]

that would be cool

[@allyriastark3508]

@@ayannaalexander390 John comes from Yuhannan so yes it's a Hebrew name.

[@chakka3000]

This is a great one! They're all good, but I love this topic.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

researching this was so fascinating that we ended up with like 10x more information than we could even get into this video

[@chakka3000]

The Order of the Green Hand Your effort shows! Hope you can use that extra info for future videos. 😃

[@robertlee8613]

When the video is so good you re watch it 5 years later and see one of your own comments.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

Same ❤

[@marcmartial1221]

So Dawn is described by Ned as "pale as milkglass, alive with light". There are two other mentions of the expression "alive with light" in AGOT: 1) to describe the seven-sided crystal used for the worship of the Seven, 2) Jon's description of the Wall: "it shone, alive with light, a colossal blue-white cliff that filled up half the sky." Maybe there's a link between the two? Valeryan steel is made with a combination of fire magic and blood magic, and is blackish. I believe the Wall and Dawn could be made out of a combination of ice and blood magic, with a ritual known by mankind or the cotf (or both) at some point in history. Also, you probably know that ASOIAF was supposed to be a trilogy, at first. When ASOS came out, a description of the book at Amazon - which was promptly removed (can't find the reference right now, sorry) went something like: "with a dramatic ending at Starfall"...

[@allyriastark3508]

Swords of the Others are milkglass and alive with light too.

[@knarfdrofnats9620]

By far you guys def have the most logical/entertaining theories. The channel rocks. Keep on keepin on!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...we will certainly try

[@Ny7emare]

I SEE HOUSE DAYNE, I CLICK

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

couldn't agree more

[@Ameck161]

Noctem same, for I am a simple man.

[@gokbay3057]

House Dayne for life. Best House Ever! You can suck our Glorious Greatsword made of starmetal that is far superiour to your dragon-steel.

[@alexanderkwan6970]

I have to say. I just found your channel and I have seen 34 of your videos in 2 days. It's just amazing. I feel like an entire fool with so much information and so little from the shows. All this just blew my mind. And in case the entire story is not like how you two describe it. I have to say... what an amazing job you both have done. I have really enjoyed your videos. Respect to you two.

[@MoryBiinM]

The Old Powers are Waking is the best bed time story playlist ever! Thank you.

[@LiamDun]

wow your logic is very stretched on how meteorites work... Hundreds land on earth every day,... the size, speed and angle of impact dictate the size of the impact... very possible for one to land beside you and do no damage... there is a well documented case of a woman being hit by one... No boiling rivers, no insane fires etc and there are also cases of people seeing them fall and following the trail out to the landing point

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Actually, in order for a meteor to have a trail that lingers long enough to be followed, it would have to be about the size we said it was

[@petterbystrom9946]

@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand It doesn't have to have a trail that lingers to be followed. If you see a big explosion in the distance you remember what general direction the bright light was in. Long after the light is gone.

[@luciamota1249]

Thanks for saying it!

[@AbdulBido]

In arabic there are two words for meteors.. One for harmless smaller ones and one for impactful ones.. It translates into shooting stars on google translate for the harmless.. That includes rocks with trails that don't explode.. If there is an explosion.. Then it's a meteor.. Shehab-شهاب-falling star Naeyzak-نيزك-meteor

[@anthonybandy8442]

TBH, I anticipate these videos more than I do Alt Shift X videos.

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

I shouldthink so!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Liam...you are the best

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Burrito Supremacy...thank you...TBH, I can't blame you

[@DhDeadMan]

Come on man, Alt Shift X is like ''A Song of Ice and Fire for Dummies''

[@anthonybandy8442]

I actually like the humor in his videos. He puts things into perspective as well. I'll admit that he lacks the depth of the order but, he's entertaining none the less.

[@scottcornford1644]

i ask you what "brings the light" A: Dawn

[@ShortyBree]

Pandemic reader over here! I am getting through your videos fast! I'm curious if you get into the symbolism of the gemology George includes? Crystals have quite a bit of lore around them that may provide hints. Black stones (Jet, Onyx) protect against demonic possession and other evils, Lapis can represent apt businesspeople etc. Forgive me if I just haven't gotten there yet. Or missed it. I absolutely LOVE your work and I am convinced you two are on to GRRM. Great work!

[@made-line7627]

Love that info about the stones, particularly the black stones warding against evil, as the black stone in this universe is so important

[@lady_wasser]

There should be a like button for those who watch this over and over.....and like it more every time

[@faisalsukhtian1932]

Man, I can only imagine Jon dual wielding both Long Claw and the Sword of the Morning, that would be epic.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Epic!

[@nathanroberts8654]

As always another great video! I've been in a rehab for ten months where I got my life back in order so I'm late on alot of these. But I'm catching up and trying to keep up with the livestreams. Believe it or not when I'm having a bad day I just go on KZbin and go straight to ser and m'lady. Love you guys!! Keep em coming!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

good for you...keep on keeping on...I decided to stop drinking about 5 years ago and it was the best decision I ever made

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Always makes my day to get a new vid notification from Order of the Greenhand!!!!! I seriously freakin love you guys, lol, my most favorite ASOIAF channel, with Preston Jacobs coming in close second, lol....And these Old Powers are Waking videos are probably my favorite series of your videos, and that's saying a lot since I have watched and re-watched every video you've made, each time with just as much excitement and intrigue lol... I've been commenting on all Preston's new videos, asking him to do a collab with you guys, so I figure I should comment here too lol, but I think it would be EPIC to hear you guys wax theories together, especially since I feel like the three of you are some of the most critically thinking and observant ASOIAF creators out there, even if you guys don't agree on everything, I just think it would be so cool to hear you guys converse about it all!!! As always, awesome video, awesome work

[@Xlen-omega]

Another awesome video. You guys make incredible material it always leaves me wanting more. I really appreciate the time and detail that you put into each video. I can't wait to see what's next. Thank you

[@alialmuhanna4938]

19:50 I gotta say, this narrative is much more appealing ... Jon Snow reborn as Jon Stark, and is bestowed the sword Dawn and the title of Sword of the Morning, through his mother Ashara Dayne, and fights the Others in The New War for the Dawn.

[@davec9031]

I always thought that the falling star was a small metallic meteor that was seen, and heard, then the Dayne tracked it down and found a large enough piece to make a sword and built his city there. Dawn is said to be a great sword. Practical great swords weighed up to 6 or so pounds. That doesn't require a very big meteor. All maps that I have seen of the Torentine river region lack an impact crater. I have seen estimates of 100-200 km distance for seeing a shooting star, so he wouldn't even have to be close, and from that distance by the time he got to the impact site, it would have cooled. I don't want to poo-poo a god in a story with magic, ice demons, dragons, undead, skin changers, telepaths, and time reversing magic stone pirate guys, just that it didn't have to be more than a normal human to be that house Dayne founder. Also, why would a god use a sword? Once again, I apologize for always seeming negative in my comments. This is my favorite channel for this stuff, always new ideas and hypotheses to play with. I had to look up meteor impacts , check out Purdue University's Impact: Earth! for some cool meteor impact analysis.

[@davec9031]

The crater is dependent on the size, speed, and angle at which the object strikes. The material of the object and what it hits probably play a factor as well. I am FAR from an expert on this, but there are a lot of resources online that can explain and show impacts. I think there is probably a misconception in general about impacts because we all have seen Crater Lake, the surface of the Moon, and heard about an extinction level event meteor that ended the Cretaceous period, and seen movies like Armageddon. Most objects that enter Earth's atmosphere are much, much smaller. A meteor of "substance X space metal," that made Dawn would only have to leave about 6 pounds of metal to create such a sword, if it were the size and weight of historic great swords. For comparison, a typical bowling ball weighs 10-16 pounds. Such an object would probably be a big problem for whatever it landed on, and likely make a lot of noise, and be quite hot, but is unlikely to create a hellish landscape. And there is no evidence given that shows any type of impact crater in that area. That leads me to believe that the impactor was small.

[@the_phoe]

Dave C I totally agree and before I saw your comment, i was basically about to write the same. You were talking about greatsword but Dawn ain't even one. Arthur Dayne wields Dawn with a single hand, which is totally impossible for it's weight! some would say It's meteor an it culd be as light as Valyrian steel, but one of the true greatsword we see in Game Of Thrones is Ice, and even though it was made of Valyrian steel, Ned could not use it in battle for it was too heavy and impracticle. That's precisly why it was reforged into two swords. EDIT: FYI These swords are called Longswords

[@crazychestirecat198]

I have a degree in astrobiology, and I've taken astronomy and planetary geology as a part of that. Meteorites tend to be cool when they land, especially if they are small, since the hot parts peel away (like the heat shield of space shuttles on reentry). Gigantic meteorites cause fires not through their impact but their entry into the atmosphere. The friction heats the air around the meteorite, and flammable things catch fire because of the heated air.

[@TheLastSoundNL]

This, so much this. Why isn't this top comment yet? I was about to leave a comment incredibly similar, only probably not as good. Also I would like to theorize further (so put your tinfoil hat on) that the founder of the house, based on the location of where Starfall is, could have been travelling between Old Town and Essos (maybe even Yi Ti) by ship when he saw the meteorite fall. It would allow him to more easily pinpoint it's location from the sea and navigate to it quickly, even if he was quite a distance away. Much easier than by land, through the mountains. It sounds a bit more plausible than a god, I think. Still this is not the first theory I've heard where the Daynes are thought to be descendants from a god and their links with Yi Ti, specifically the Amethyst Empress. It could just be legends or there could be some truth to it, even if it just a little. There is plenty of magic in that world after all. Also imagine if they had some sort of compass on their ship and the meteorite either magnetically or magically attracts it. Although Dawn would be kind of useless if it was magnetic. You would never get the swords off each other if they clashed or off armour...

[@theswordguy5269]

Actually, a practical greatsword would weight about three pounds. Any more and the weapon become very hard to handle effectively. Two handed longsswords, like an Oakeshott Type XVII or XVIII wouldn't weight much more than three pounds, as surviving specimens in museums attest, and many weight just under that. 677777777777tfrg. 66qw22qIndeed, the feders that we use in HEMA training are of similar weights and dimensions. Now, a bearing sword, which is a ceremonial sword not intended for battle, would weigh much more. Also, Ned Stark's Ice was clearly a very heavy, large weapon but again, wasn't really meant as a combat weapon. It's made clear in the books that Ned and his Stark forebears would take other weapons into battle, handier swords than the large and massively slow Ice.

[@i2amasecrettarg737]

So psyched! Best theory crafting anywhere! 👍👍

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...hope you enjoy

[@mityboosh]

from The North ...aka .Scotland the Walker fighters :) thank you ,brilliant again.

[@g.colvin2211]

Or maybe the story of how House Dayne was founded is simply an exaggeration of the truth?

[@seeranos]

N+A=J for lyyyfe Side Note, Jonathan, rather than Jon comes from Hebrew. I'm sure you guys knew that, but for the other viewers, Jonathan comes from 'Yehonatan' which means, yes, 'God has given,' or 'giver of god' or 'God's generosity.' Nathaniel comes from 'Neteniel', with the suffix 'iel' which means 'of god,' and 'Neten,' meaning 'gift.' Nathan comes from 'Natan' which means 'giver.'

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Hi ! and Thank you!!!

[@PBRStreetgang]

Great job again. With so much info given on in the ADwD prologue with Varamyr and Haggen, the AFFC prologue is often overlooked. There is so much intrigue with the connections between the Maesters, the Faceless Men, and the the quote "An age for Gods and Heroes" It's almost like George put all the vital AFFC info in the prologue and not so much in the actual content. It's kind of a snoozer for me, but just like the Primus album states, "They can't all be zingers." Still, it's a great book full of subtleties that you catch only when you re-read the book. Thanks again for another info-packed and original video.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks so much!

[@DavidBaronStevensPersonal]

Sword of The Morning = Dayne's Hero Sword in The Darkness = Nights Watch

[@_-dreamer-_5114]

Hi I have to admit you providing one of the best ASOIAF content and mystries I hope you make a video every thing about THE ISLE OF FACES

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...there is a reference or two to the Isle of Faces in our Bran the Builder video

[@_-dreamer-_5114]

The Order of the Green Hand If you don't what is the video's title ?

[@_-dreamer-_5114]

The Order of the Green Hand I mean if U don't mind *

[@kiritugeorge4684]

The Dogon of West Africa have the most intricate mythology around the Sirius system

[@ninawillow2429]

Hmmm..."Sirius Black" I wonder what else I missed in Harry Potter.

[@csuderburg8389]

Another great video! Thank you. I've always been fascinated by House Dayne. I'm still holding out hope that Jon Snow is really the child of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...obviously we're right there with you

[@davoold]

Wait, light bringer comes from the Azor Ahai legend, then what happens with the Westerosi legend of the last hero who had a broken sword?

[@sandmanenters4187]

I've been finding alot of symbolism for comet impacts and cataclysms in the books and show, I think this serves as part of that too. If the great other is death, and is trying to turn Bran into his vessel, then Bran is literally death falling towards earth. I love the Starfall stuff, some very interesting symbolism there that lines up with Freemason teachings by Randall Carlson. I'm sure GRRM has had some of that education as well.

[@kamelzyadeh490]

great video guys! I really loved it and the timing was good as well... I can't express how much happy that notification of a new video made me, you guys are awesome and I can't wait for the next one.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Kamel...this one was a video we have wanted to make for months and we finally found the right series to place it in

[@kamelzyadeh490]

The Order of the Green Hand in that case please, if u have other ideas like that drop even if it's random but please give me more TOOTGH juice, I've just read in the comments that there's 10 times more info that in this video, is there's any chance that we'll see it?

[@joanisarmento]

Again, my brain got empowered! Thank you guys for keeping up with the quality. ❤️💓❤️ Sorry i haven't been commenting. I'm working intensely lately. I arrive home, do whatever is essential and then I just blackout. In this case, I do love your perspective in all aspects. I just think that the first Dayne, might have followed the path of the star... from far away. And, as you say, it would have taken him super long time to arrive there. Being so, he would arrive already after the chaos caused by the falling star was more calm. He might have arrived when it was already safe to be there. Then he would look around the wreckage and find a strange material that would have come with the asteroid or formed by the combustion caused by its entrance in the atmosphere or even burnt down in the earth. Anyway, it would be a very rare thing, never seen before, with characteristics like no other material in planetos. Being so, there's no need for Gods meddling in the story. Just a unique material, formed by that "falling star", valued so much that can only be carried by those that prove to be worth of it. Well, just a thought. I don't like the idea that GrrMartin would give so much importance to godly interventions. But he could, after all there is magic in this world. (Sorry, I'm not rereading this text. Excuse my errors. I'm just to tired and I'm about to collapse against the screen)

[@londonbridges9993]

When I was listening to your video I kept thinking of Stardust, in which a star falls from the heavens in the form of female personification of that star called, Yvaine. Which then made me think of how lightbringer was said to be tempered, in the blood of his wife Nissa Nissa. I'm now wondering if Nissa was actually the star/goddess that fell to the earth (instead of the god you proposed), and fell in love with the first lord of Starfall. This would explain why Azor Ahai had to kill his wife because she was the true essence of the star, and it is said her soul combined with the steel of the sword. She also seems to be related to the heavens in some way, with the story saying that the moon cracked after this act. Dayne's are described to have Valyrian features but GRRM says they are not of Valyrian decent, but if they are the children of a fallen star I'd say their features would make since (white is what I'd think of for a fallen star to have). I'm wondering if the star came down to end the long night by testing and finding a man worthy to be a hero. Once she found one, she led him back to where she fell, to forge the sword needed by her chosen hero. I believe the story says "he knew before hand", because she told him that she'd be needed to forge the sword. But since he loved her he tried the other two methods first in order to save her. Since I was hoping her name would help this theory I discovered these various meanings such as goal, beginning, sign, woman, end, friendly elf/fairy, and even test by some sources. But the meanings seem to be a bit obscure in how they could help describe her character, I can make some of them work but it doesn't seem as concrete as you thoughts on Baelish. Anyways I really like this theory/video and look forward to your other ones.

[@lgreenbey6392]

Shortest 20 minutes of my life. we need a live q and a!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...we tried to find time to do one a few months ago but we're both slammed at our real jobs and have barely had enough time to put our weekly video out...we're thinking we might have time for one or two this summer

[@TheViceStar]

NP i hope it all goes well. Don't work yourselves to the bone :P i'm a huge fan and have heard every word you two have spoken on this platform. Your diligence is much appreciated

[@TheViceStar]

just realized i replied from my other account >.

[@Pomshka]

I adore listened to you both! your voices are very soothing, clear and concise! I always listen to your videos before going to bed because they chill be out! I wish I could get a narration of GOT's by you guys! Please keep up the great work!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much ! Glad we could help you chil before bed! Maybe I should try that. I'm not good at relaxing though. Haha

[@alinlacatus6868]

What if the first Dayne was just a dragonlord from Valyria, and was able to follow the "falling star" because he was riding his dragon. That would also account for being able to approach the fiery explosion, and then he would have used the same "magical" smithing techniques as with valyrian steel, but using the "meteoric steel" instead, which would account for Dawn having the same properties as valyrian steel, yet look different due to having an otherworldly "base material". After all, members of House Dayne are portrayed as having valyrian features (purple eyes, silver hair), and these features, i think, are what define their banner... lilac background = lilac/violet eyes, white star and sword = platinum/silver hair. Just a thought, or two... Anyway, congrats to the creators of this channel. You're doing an awesome job, thank you :D

[@allyriastark3508]

Alin Lacatus could work if Dayne family were really of Valyrian descent but they are descendants of First Men along with other great houses of Westeros

[@redsands2064]

You are undoubtedly THE BEST 'ASOIAF' theorists in the game today. The colossal effort you put into your research is ridiculous (for lack of a better word) and has not gone unnoticed, you are truly appreciated. Your principled explanations are always backed by undeniable sense and logic. I sometimes find myself wanting to disagree and failing miserably to, you are always giving us concrete and pragmatic propositions to mull over. Thank you very much for bringing us clarity to a Song of Ice and FIre.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you. We put a lot of time and effort into our videos and it’s always nice to hear its appreciated

[@DevinDTV]

ooor the original dayne was a regular person who wasnt traveling alone (that was never stated) who happened to be very near the impact location of a meteor too small to cause a crater, but large enough to survive the fall and retain enough heat to start a bush fire. perhaps he was just a few miles from where it landed, it caused a fire on the island so he knew it was over there, and his group took their time crossing the river perhaps with rafts. they found the rock in the middle of the ashes of burned plants, and made a sword from it later

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

small meteors (like what you described) leave a trail that disappears in minutes and don't cause enough damage to find the location where it hit unless you saw it hit...so there would be no way he could follow the path of a fallen star unless it was big enough to leave a trail that could be followed

[@DevinDTV]

It didn't have to leave anything lasting, just the streak as it entered through the atmosphere would be enough to "follow a trail", and it could start fires without creating a crater. Not surprising a group of people were at the mouth of a river.

[@bergtee]

!!!!!!Forged from the Heart of a Fallen Star- what if Nissa Nissa is a descended God ( Fallen Star ), which would allign with Azor Ahai forging his sword

[@bergtee]

btw Fallen Star --> Fallen God ---> Lucifer ----> Lightbringer

[@EstherTheNicey]

TiltMeHarder Daddy Yeah, wake up sheeple!

[@johnnydancer2665]

Lucifer was/is no God. Just a powerful angel.

[@bergtee]

and the gods we are speaking of in ASOIAF are also not omnipotent, just maybe powerful beings that descended... didnt mean that as an actual god, more of an 'otherworldly' kind

[@oldreddragon1579]

This is my favourite video from your channel.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much. This is one we've looked forward to making for months

[@AryaandherPrayers]

This is my absolute favorite video so far. If Jon isn’t a Dayne, I’ll be devastated. Him becoming the next Sword of the Morning is just an ultimate plot point.

[@AwakeAtTheWheel]

In the real world we occupy, most of the ancient gods are associated with stars. It’s not hard to guess where George drew inspiration for most of the ones he created. Interesting side note, the Yellow Emperor came from the constellation Leo.

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

Another great video folks! You do us all a great service! Just one thing: when you say the Egyptian texts are the oldest on earth - Summerian texts pre-date Egyptians by around 1000 years, and are the oldest known human texts in existence. "And in this year the Kingship came down from heaven..." It was from their texts and laws that Egypt and Babylon drew their own codes of conduct and decency. Very interesting reading...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

One of the articles we used said the Pyramid Texts were the oldest, but I have to admit that until a few months ago I hadn't thought about any of this stuff since high school history class so it is entirely possible that the article was wrong...it is disappointing though because we try to use reputable sources...I think I found that in a Forbes article or on a University's website

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

+The Order of the Green Hand I'm not trying to criticise, nor condescend! I hope you believe me! I love what you do and offer a new line of thinking to many theories, whether they are popular or not - it's all interesting. I was just offering some info to help on what is already a well produced product. Just when I see info I feel (may be) incorrect I can't help but put my own two groats in lol. Wasn't so much being "pernickety" as offering new direction of thought. Keep up the good work and can't wait for the next vid! (",)

[@Salamon2]

I think you're missing a more obvious reference to how House Dayne got its name: Dane Whitman. GRRM has said he was a fan of Marvel comics, particularly of the Silver Age era. Dane Whitman (aka The Black Knight) has an ancestral sword which was forged from a fallen meteorite that has been passed down in his family as an office for centuries, with those who take up the office either being determined as "worthy" or "unworthy" by whether or not they can pull the sword from the meteorite it was forged from and whether the ghost of the first Black Knight judges them worthy of the honor--those who aren't worthy often going off and acting as villains claiming to be the Black Knight--but lacking the special sword. AKA, I don't see House Dayne as a Sirius the dog-star reference, I see it as a Marvel comics reference.

[@kalashshah2637]

And Kit Harington plays the character of Dane Whitman too, chef's kiss!!

[@jadendred5448]

Another well made video for all of us to enjoy, thank you both do much. All of them really make you think which is the best part of your videos. The start was amazing in my mind. Do you think Jojen being truly a greenseer could further add to Jojen paste theory where Bran is made to eat " weirwood" paste. You eat one you become one kind of deal? Since, haven't confirmed if there are hints of this in text, Jojen wasn't as easily manipulated anymore once they got to cave and Bran was always plan B? On other part I'm rather sceptical that Dayne ancestor was an actual God. What I do believe is that people made them God like just like the religion of drowned God who hates the storm god. But one does not hate without a reason but luckily there is one presented in Storm king history. The reason castle Storms End was built was to withstand a massive storm( battle) that came from angered sea God's due to king stealing a mermaid for wife. What I believe is that part of the religion of drowned God( hate for storm god) is based on event where a king from stormlands stole a maid of iron islands for wife which sparked a war and hate so big the event turned it into legends and then God's. What I'm saying is that time and belief can turn an event to story to legend to God's religion. Hope my view, if hopefully understood, also made new thoughts and ideas to be made.

[@lukewestwest]

SORRY BUT NO, Sokka in The Last Airbender PROVED that in the correct and lucky situation, Any person could see a comet land and go find it and make a sword. Lol they managed it in a animated 25minute episode hahaha

[@Khaled91]

If the "sword of the morning" is an office and Dawn being a magical sword, I can't help but wonder if the fight in the tower of joy was a magical incident. Ser Arthur Dayne had "a sad smile on his lips", maybe the signs showed (birth of the baby) and he knew he had to do something. Perhaps "and now it begins" is the beginning of what he was performing. I never seemed to understand what that meant! the beginning of what. It's epic as hell though. Also, Ned never seemed to remember any of it.

[@asharadaynedragonblood1803]

I love this!!! Who can still deny that it is Jon? Who can still deny the Daynes are a minor house??? This is fantastic!!! I am looking forward to Jon Dayne holding Dawn!!!

[@Ponderingbooks]

Thinking of Dawn and comparing it to Mjolnir. Considering both may have been made from parts of a star, and the similarities between the names Arthur and Thor... makes you think. :-) Love you guys!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@tylerbarrett6652]

OR... the first Dayne was a greenseer and could astroproject or whatever. Just as Bran is 1000 miles above the ground... couldn't Bran have "followed the path of a falling star" from there? and then gone to investigate?

[@rbjm]

Yes yes yes! I hope this theory is true. GRRM is a huge Lovecraft fan, a supernatural cosmic gods war would be too good. Ugh! I hope this is the case.

[@brookesy348]

Woo! made my day :) thanks guys

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hope you enjoy

[@mikaelplanefeldt4255]

A thought that poped up once you started talking about the star and that it's actually a person/god. The movie (which I guess has it's charm) Stardust came to mind, I know this is pretty far-fetched and less likely but it's fun to speculate: What if the falling star is actually Nissa Nissa and Azor Ahai the first Dayne? Dawn was forged from the heart of a falling star and Lightbringer from when Azor Ahai plunged into Nissa Nissas chest. As I said, less-likely but still fun to speculate. Keep up the good job guys, been a fan for quite a while now!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is actually really interesting...that doesn't sound far fetched at all...Nissa means "to test" in Hebrew, so Nissa Nissa could be to test twice, which he did and failed twice...without more time to think about it that is all I can come up with but if I put Lady Green Hand on it she'll come back to me with 10 pages of notes in an hour...by the way, since you are an actual expert in audio and you were nice enough to offer a little advise previously...are my audio levels good now going from voice to music...I keep tinkering with it trying to make it better

[@mikaelplanefeldt4255]

Sounds interesting, see if you could come up with something! About the audio: I think it's fine, the levels are decent in pair I would say. You could always get more gear and stuff to improve, but I don't really see the necessary of it. I'm not sure how you record the voices, but a cheap condenser microphone could upgrade the "depth" of the voice a lot. I would recommend "Rode NT1-A" or something similar. Keep up the good work guys, always enjoying your videos to a fresh cup of coffee. One of the highlights of the day :)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...we'll look into getting a better mic...I'm pretty sure ours is a condenser mic, but not a very good one...it was the last mic left at Best Buy when I went there to get one and it had decent online reviews so I grabbed it

[@tylerbarrett6652]

Wait... doesn't Brienne tell a story about a Knight with a sword called the Just Maid or something... not to be used on other people but only monsters or something? Wouldn't that be in league with Dawn?

[@CharlesZane_]

Seriously no mention of Lucifer, which means bringer of light, whom was the first and foremost of Gods children, who fell? That's the most obvious reference to Dawn and Starfall.

[@jonjones7739]

yay the olny thing i love more than casterley rock is some sword of the morning, thanks guys

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the Sword of the Morning is one of the biggest sleeper awesome role in a story ever conceived

[@MartinNagy_mnagy]

Are you sirius?

[@Gootothesecond]

This series is so informative that I now know why that book and the film are called "The Color Purple."

[@bradwolf07]

Okay, so Jon being a secret Dayne definitely has appeal... especially if he is duel wielding Dawn and Longclaw.

[@cleganebowldog6626]

Why does it indicate the weapon would not be equivalent, versus his mastery with Dawn, having been raised with it, is that much of an advantage? @ 17:28 I certainly believe that Martin had the similarities in mind that you have found with Sirius, but this theory does seem pretty different than the others. Mostly because of the whole... aliens thing. Kind of like the old Star Trek episode Who Mourns for Adonais. Isn't it more likely that the current telling is an exaggerated story from when the founder came upon the star stuff? It would be pretty disappointing if this beautiful fleshed out world turns into aliens ex machina.

[@TheAwsomeman888]

guy this is kind of ridicules. instead of saying that the legend is probable heavily altered time or that it is fiction or that the dude just went in the direction that the star fell you are saying he is a god there is no evidence that gods exist. And so much of this is just word association the link between Sirius and Dayne especially. i am not saying it not possible but just highly unlikely, the problem is I really like the rest of this series but this is too much.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

quite the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that Gods walked this planet 1000s of years ago...the World of Ice and Fire is literally filled with references to it, coming from every corner of the world he created (including Westeros)

[@sawyerk641]

The "star" that dawn was forged in could have also been code for Nisa Nisa. The thought of her falling from the sky makes more sense to me, especially if the whole "her cry cracked the moon and then dragons" thing holds true.

[@sbwilkinson60]

That was very nice. I am impressed with the research you guys put in. These are always a fun view.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Steve...your comments are always appreciated

[@K8theKind]

I really like your videos and perspectives... thanks so much for your hard work. I do want to say, though, that sie and material are very important when considering falling stars. If the rock he found on star fall wasn't so big, none of the fire and boiling water etc... would be the case, making argument #1 way more plausible in my opinion. Also if you're uncertain about what I'm saying, just look at all over the falling star rocks that are collected in Canada way up north on the frozen tundra. Those rocks barely make craters in the earth and they're the die of your fist

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I researched meteors quite a bit and smaller ones like you're describing have trails that disappear in minutes and don't do enough damage to find where it hit

[@yuffmymateria7859]

okay let me simplify and run it back cause there was a lot of irl religion and stuff in this one. you're saying that Dawn is a legitimate God weapon? who is the god that came from the heavens though, where'd he go? and are you saying that Jon is destined to use Dawn as like an avatar of the God (as all the sotm are?). i loved this one as much as usual, the extra irl stuff just made it a little harder to follow myself. also, how do you guys decide who narrates which part or video? flip a coin or is it about who's more enthusiastic about the topic? I wish I read the books so I could actually have requests or suggestions to make :( but I don't so I just look forward to more. like more shit about men eventually beating the children of the forest, I don't trust those bitches. love you guys.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...the God was the original Sword of the Morning, descending down from the Sword of the Morning constellation, likely the bright white star in its hilt if our interpretation of the mythological parallels is correct...we try to take it part by part and keep alternating...sometimes one of us finds a topic more interesting and wants a particular part or paragraph but for the most part we try to make it fairly close to an even back and forth

[@yuffmymateria7859]

The Order of the Green Hand so do you think the God was the original Sotm from House Dayne? do you think he died or passed the sword onto someone and started the tradition and still lives in the world?

[@yuffmymateria7859]

The Order of the Green Hand sorry if I'm being dumb or missing things

[@sophiemoconnell]

Spencer Johnson It could be the god-on-earth? I've been toying with the idea that several of the noble Houses we know of today are decended from those that ruled the Great Empire of the Dawn and that the Daynes perhaps with their "Valeryan" features in fact actually seeded the Targs. I'm pretty much 99.9% sure that Daenerys is Ashara' daughter too due to the of the early dream, the HOTU vision of the Great Empire and the starry imagery that constantly surrounds her. Sinfe the Littledinger videos I keep thinking that they were living at the house with the red door with Aegon and Viserys until LF'S men found them. Then they were separated because Ashara felt that Daenerys was safer in hiding with Viserys, rather than spend the rest of her life on the run. After all Varys has hinted that Aegon knows what it's like to be hunted, to be scared and on the run. From what can be inferred Viserys likely knew she was not his sister, so in later years out of desperation and I guess resentment beat her into this identity we have to day similar to the situation we have with Theon. After all why would he sell his sister to Drogo and have him "pollute" the "pure" Targ bloodline if she was indeed Rhaella's daughter? The only thing I'm not sure of is who her father is... Is she Aerys by rape, or did Ashara and Ned get it on again when he swapped Jon and Aegon? Would Ned being the father fit the 9 month timeline guys?

[@trelawnny]

Love it!❤🔥❤

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we love that you love it

[@The_King_Slayer]

Awesome!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@dalibork]

Dosent it mean, that wildlings have also woken the old powers, maybe the Other themselves, when they dug up half a hundred graves in the frostfangs and let loose all those shadows, and did not find the horn of winter?

[@josiewaldron4985]

house Dayne is my fave house 😊 fab video as usual. sending love from north England

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...House Dayne is obviously something we have been fascinated with ever since we first noticed Ashara had purple eyes and had a history with Ned in the knight of the laughing tree story and was straight up told about Ned and Ashara by a kid named Ned Dayne in an Arya chapter right after...then when we discovered Dawn's existence, we pretty much became entirely convinced House Dayne is one of the keys to understanding where the story is going

[@josiewaldron4985]

The Order of the Green Hand absolutely. the mystery of Allyria too... loved your video theory on her. I look forward to more of your videos! you really do show fantastic research x

[@neverfae442]

Sword forged with the heart of a dying star... sounds very similar to the story about azor ahai quenching lightbringer in the heart of Nissa Nissa

[@darrinwebber8636]

The man saw meteor as it impacted. It probably did a crater in water. The man was close enough to witness....but far enough away to survive blast. Then man followed devastation to it source and discovered "star stone"...Just enough to make a sword or two.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

it says he followed the path of the falling star, which indicates that he followed the trail it left behind...when I looked it up, only meteors that are relatively large (such as the ones we based our analysis on) would leave trails behind them that last long enough to follow

[@charlesmorgan4568]

You're thinking of asteroids. Meteors usually burnup in the atmosphere. Some do land but they are so small they don't cause explosions. A meteor big enough to create Dawn wouldn't cause hardly any damage.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

A meteor with a tail tha can be followed would be exactly what we described

[@ferozbaker339]

The only small issue i have with you guys is that you name your videos 'Game Of Thrones' instead of "A Song Of Ice And Fire". I know you guys do it for views but still.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we tried to switch them a month or so ago and our views plummeted...I'm not particularly fond of it either

[@genesisdawn6672]

I can't remember where it's from, but I heard of a real-world legend of how there was a great serpent at the beginning of time being bound and imprisoned in an underwater cave and was to be released at the time of the end. And, really, there are legends from all over the world about a god slaying a great serpent at the beginning of time. Some of this stuff also reminds me of the Titans imprisoned in Tartarus for a time.

[@markrogers7802]

I’ve heard the same story, the sun god slays the serpent or great dragon. Again I don’t know where I’ve heard it.

[@DandreRich]

Where you"ll been?! Great vid, keep it coming. ;-)

[@haymaker710]

been waiting

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Sorry...this one almost killed us

[@haymaker710]

I'm just playing. No hurry.

[@SilverYT-hh4qs]

The Order of the Green Hand is it possible that valyrian steel is actually from space, like dawn and thats why nobody is able to recreate it?

[@chicho1593508]

hmm I think the steel was a specific mineral found in the mines below Valeria

[@johnathankinne3998]

Francesco Parisi steel isn't found in the earth, it's the result of smelting iron and removing the organic compounds than adding carbon. then when it cools it becomes steel. GRRM has specified that they work spells into the metal during this process to make it "valerian steel".

[@LoneWolf-xe6ye]

Wonder if jon is going to be sword of the morning

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Esteban Ladtra We think it’s very likely

[@LoneWolf-xe6ye]

The Order of the Green Hand that would be cool

[@LoneWolf-xe6ye]

The Order of the Green Hand do you think dawn passes the skill of it's previous owners to the current one

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

It’s possible. I’d never thought about it before. It definitely seems to possess magic that likely grants the wielder more formidable

[@LoneWolf-xe6ye]

The Order of the Green Hand yeah i mean george said that without dawn it is a fifty fifty percent change of arthur beating barristan but with dawn he wins easilly somethings going on there

[@davoold]

Great vid! I am confused about something however...Which is light bringer, Dawn or Lady Forlorn?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we tend towards Dawn being Lightbringer and the forging legend is actually the "recipe" for making Valyrian Steel, and Lady Forlorn was the first sword ever made with that technique, predating Valyria by a lot, which is why it is a dragon steel blade as opposed to being a Valyrian Steel blade...it seems that since reforging Dawn is impossible because they don't have the materials necessary to do so, making sure the knowledge of making Valyrian Steel is more important because they can kill Others

[@davoold]

But your theory of Brandon of the bloody blade and Rose/ Florian Jonquil/ Azor Ahai Nisa Nisa was soooo neat and cunningly fitting! ... I guess they aren't mutually exclusive ... hope you can expand on all of this in the future with more source material, love your approach, keep it up!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...we'll try

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

So dawn could be a proxy for say Excalibur or equivalent?

[@christophertracy383]

I also think Ashara Dayne is alive either she's Quaithe or Septa Lamour. Can't wait 4 Winds next year.

[@210SAi]

Septa Lamor as Quaithe is Shiera Seastar

[@lawv804]

Greater dog! The Hound is Azor Ahai confirmed.

[@noahorakwue2653]

If this video was posted three years ago I might have taken the theory of Jon's mom being Ashara Dayne more seriously.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

did you read the quote at the end of the video? Benioff said that the show is not spoiling the books, book readers are going to be shocked at how different the two are, and finished by saying that the show and books are on divergent paths

[@markhayes3523]

Its realy geting hard to wait for the fanfiction series and more hate on catshit and how ashara would have been infinatly beter

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I know !! Haha we are knee deep in the old powers series! i promise it will be coming sometime this year! I sound like GRRM now. haha

[@markhayes3523]

The Order of the Green Hand Within this month please i reaaaly want it its driving me crazy wating for it its like wating for my braces to come of

[@chestermisrule7074]

Hello, this is Chester Misrule, here to bring some clarity to the world of "The Order of the Green Hand"(the Lady and the Lord) So,.....let´s do this! You guys, you got me....latest with this video! Been watching your channel the last couple a days(in the right Order, pun intended!) and.......... it´s THEEEEE best one on GoT , ......at least for me. :-) And to be honset, I´ve even just created a youtube-account, only so I can tell you that, both of ya. Technology is amazing! Now, I´m not totally sure, what both of your backgrounds are(accept that Lady Green Hand is a pyschologist and the Sire is running a business), but are both of you sure, you didn´t major like in history, heraldry, archaeology and world wide myths, also?! Hm, but perhaps you two maybe just like reading books, like, äh, a lot of them, .......which I heavily assume. Man, man, you two "Great White Danes" (no racism implied) ;-) To watch these videos is so compelling for me, it sort of matches the show and the books themselfs. Having lots of fun, big fan. I can imagine GRRM sitting on these podiums, being questions asked and thinking to himself "You know nothing, ....all of you" Now I just got the idea, John Snow sounds a lot like John Doe, as I think of it, nobody knows his identity.....hm.;-) Yeah, George R.R.Martin, this contented little Hobbit with the mind of Smaug, smiling deeply into himself(directly translated from German, couse that´s where I´m from ), fooling half the world at the moment....very nice. I do so hope that most of your theories are true, if not all of them, because it would be so much FUN! Otherwise the complete history of ASOIAF should be rewritten,......well........because it´s so much more fun. You two probably already heard a lot about that your channel differs a great deal to most of the other ones around, in form of stringent and profound argumentation, always backed with source material, but also your lateral thinking blows me away again and again. Respect! You two are doing an amazing, even kind of mesmerising job, keep up the good work.....and thanx a lot. Yours Chester P.S.: @Lord As already mentioned, you do sound a lot like Howard Hamlin from "Better call Saul", which is very pleasing by the way. ;-) P.P.S: The actors name would be Patrick Fabian, if you ever wanted to know, I just looked it up for you, in case you don´t have google....or a computer....or time.... P.P.P.S: The Lady also sounds vey nice....but I can´t tie any actress to you, I´m afraid. Sorry..... P.P.P.P.S: Does your house meanwhile look like the garage in "A Beautiful Mind" ?!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Chester, Thank you so much for your message. It is honestly one of the nicest things anyone has ever written to us, and really made our day. To answer your questions, no neither of us studied history or anything like that. Dave studied business and politics, and I studied Communications and then Educational Psychology, so I work with kids as a school psychologist. I'd say both of us have an insatiable curiosity and are very stubborn, which are the two driving forces behind figuring all this stuff out. I truly believe George RR Martin is sitting back and smiling to himself, and that he painstakingly looks into every single thing to the extent we explained in this video. Our strengths/weaknesses also very much compliment each other. I am the researcher, by trade but also just have a knack for it, and usually put together the big picture rough draft. Ser. is more of the logical, history buff, who really should've been a lawyer, because he'll question all of my points, so much so that I get frustrated, but in the end its all for the better because our argument becomes that much stronger. I'm more of the "let's do it now, get it done," he's more laid back and wants to take his time. This can be a source of contention, but it also ends up creating a good balance, and a better product. But all in all, we are just a couple who read the books, and found the world George created to be so fascinating, that we found ourselves reading them again....and again. Every time a little more convinced that the common theories and accepted narratives were flawed. This is where my drive kicked into gear, and I stayed on him for a while until we made the first video, and now the process has almost become a science. But I cannot thank you enough for creating an account just to tell us this, and for watching and appreciating our videos. There is so much work that goes into them, that when we get comments such as this, it makes it all worth it. PS: I totally agree that he sounds like Howard Hamlin! See I told you he should've been a lawyer. PPS: It's ok, :) My voice isn't nearly as cool as Dave's, but a lot of the ladies at work call me Reese, like Reese Witherspoon, mainly because of the blonde hair and our spitfire personalities. So weird too, her and I share a birthday. But Thank you Chester again, and you are always welcome at the wolf's den. Look out for our first live stream Sunday at 5pm (US, Eastern Standard Time). I don't know what time that would be in Germany, but if there is any question you want us to answer, and you can't make it, send it to us beforehand, and we will be sure to answer it. If you are able to be there, then we will see you then. :D :D :D

[@ssl3546]

We know the first Thanksgiving was in the fall of 1621, but new evidence suggests that the first exchanging of food between the Pilgrims and Native Americans may have been visited by aliens! And what about the food? Does the appearance of stuffing at the first Thanksgiving suggest a kind of alien technology?

[@ashleyofnaath]

Now we know why JK Rowling gave the character named Sirius an animagus that was a dog. Not GOT related, apologies. I just watched HP lol.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is a great catch...you have to be right

[@ashleyofnaath]

Also, the manner in which HP Sirius died fits with the Sirius binary system. Sirius died by falling through a gateway to the spiritual world. If the Sirius star lights up the spiritual world, the character's death in that manner makes total sense and is now not so sad. It's like he ended up where he was supposed to be.

[@ashleyofnaath]

Or maybe I'm grasping at straws lol.

[@Jockeylotforfun]

Ashley of Naath I Agree 100%! In my opinion Jon will indeed be forced to choose to cross that gateway. I believe he will be turned into a White walker by Sam and Bran in the crypts of winterfell. He will fight the WW from within their army enabling him to use their powers. (The whole mance rayder plot) IN ADWD he's wearing ice armor and has a burning sword. GRRM says that WW can transform ice into substances, armor and weapons. Bran saw how WW are created. Sam's oath, "I am the horn that wakes the sleepers" The horn of winter and stark blood may also be necessary to wake the other "sleepers" Who just so happen to fit WW Description. Ned dreams of the kings of winter staring at him with icy blue eyes. Osha says they weren't dead, they were only sleeping, Jon says the samething when the tombs slide open. It's a lot of foreshadowing from all the books. It might be a lot like LOTR Jon raising an undead army of WW starks and binds them to his will to defeat the WW and imprison. them back under winterfell, where they escaped from!

[@ashleyofnaath]

The Lady Olenna Tyrell Hello my friend. That is quite the theory. I have had similar thoughts regarding the undead army led by Jon, similar to Aragorn in LOTR, due to the dream from Jon about the tombs opening. What's really interesting about that theory is the connection to the iron long swords which tether the spirits to their tombs. Hodor, Meera, and Bran took 3, two of them belonging to Brandon and Rickard. So I wonder if Brandon and Rickard's spirits have already been wondering about, or if we'll see them later on. I can't say that I think Jon will become one of the walkers and fight from within their ranks against them. I didn't get that impression. I don't think we know enough about the white walkers to say if, once raised from the dead, they retain enough of their memories from life to do that. I know Coldhands does retain some sense of fighting for the greater good, but he was saved while still alive by the Children's magic, not raised by the night king after dying. So I think that could have something to do with his motivations. If raised after death by the NK, I think a person would be subject to the NK's control versus their own. The part on Sam's vow...hmm. It's interesting, but every brother of the watch made that same vow, so I couldn't say it's specific to him, or indicative of him being the one to carry out an action tied to a horn. What I do find interesting about that is, Jon blew the horn when he first found it. He assumed it didn't work because it made no sound, but I think it probably did work, and a living person just can't hear the sound (think dog whistle). So I am eager to know what if anything that might've triggered.

[@Istilllikemusic]

The first Dayn could have seen the meteor, wrote in the direction it flew in, until he comes across a village. Then he could have asked the villagers in which direction the meteor flew, from their point of view. Repeat that a couple of weeks and you probably will find a person, who saw a big explosion, or some crater. People remember meteors, and especially meteor impacts for a long time, so it wouldnt be that hard to find people who saw it. That is why george wrote, that he tracked the star, not that he followed it, like you claim. You even show the quote, so i dont get how you missed this. That way you would be able to track the meteor, without beeing able to fly or beein able to swim through boiling water. It is never mentioned how long he followed that meteor. But you argue, that there are only your 2 options on how he found it. This is clearly very lazy and wrong. Im not even arguing, that your theory is wrong, im just saying that your arguments are weak. I dislike your arguments, because there are often many possibilitys, that you not only ignore, but outright clame do not to exist. (Like shown above) Other youtubers might be wrong about something, but they dont argue, that there are only their scenarios, and none other.. Sorry if this sounds mean, but i already rewrote it to make it sound less angry.. English is not my native language, so everybody who makes fun of my mistakes, is invited to have a discussion about this in german :)

[@made-line7627]

I really agree with this comment. Plus, your English is fantastic considering it's not your first language.

[@Istilllikemusic]

@@made-line7627 Thank you :)