Metal PEAKED in the 2000s (this is why)

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@TigerTurban]

"..he was never weird with Megan....tell the Japanese government I want him to give it to me." - Kelly Osbourne/The Osbournes (2004-2006)

[@nikolaprango2552]

I totally disagree . The 80's/early 90's was the golden age of metal. Metal's glory years were 1980-1992, I think, and there were a lot of great Bands from that era, including Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Motorhead, Ratt, Dokken, Megadeth, Cinderella, G n R, Skid Row, Poison, Warrant, Winger, W.A.S.P,Slaughter and, of course, Metallica. I'm a big fan of those years in Metal. 80's/early 90's were golden age of metal? There were a ton of good metal bands in the 80's/early 90's. Abundance of bands were releasing almost consistently awesome albums. The 80's/early 90's was the best time for metal because it was everywhere, the age was metal. Stadium tours, albums in the charts, the era of high sales, magazines, fan clubs. So many amazing underground bands were still out there.

[@nikolaprango2552]

Even in my country North Macedonia back in 1991/1992/early 1993 metal was everywhere. I remember watching Cinderella/Winger/Iron Maiden/Metallica/Skid Row/Motley Crue/Poison/G n R etc videos on our Macedonian tv channels back then in early 90s. We had only three Macedonian channels, but they heavily played Metal videos. On channel 3 they played MTV europe from 08:00 pm to 10:00 am. In 1991/1992 even in early/mid 1993 hard rock and heavy metal regularly topped the charts in my country . Rock was never better then at the 80s/early 90s when Heavy Metal bands were ruling the world. I liked pretty much everything Heavy Metal from the heavier stuff like Metallica/Megadeth to the over the top stuff with the makeup and hair like Poison/Cinderella, and the "somewhere inbetweens", as I think of them, like Guns N Roses. I think every band brought something of their own to the scene, even if they were the result of record labels getting greedy and over saturating the market.

[@williamfalconer7560]

I know this is more of a wrapped tour scene but I miss mayhem fest so much

[@nikolaprango2552]

I would argue that the 80's/early 90's were the golden age of metal commercially and creatively. You must admit that overall, heavy metal and hard rock grew and became very popular in the '80s and early '90s.

[@HontoNeet]

Thank you, Finn, I was getting worried, there hadn't been a Fred Durst thumbnail in a while

[@enzhao7532]

I almost call 911 to check if Finn is alright. 😅

[@djcj]

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[@doomztay]

😂😂😂

[@HollowBox]

This lol😂

[@austintrousdale2397]

I wondered what that sound was this morning… the collective of hundreds of thousands of Punk (🤔) Rock MBA viewers pouncing on their smartphones!

[@EPICLIGIT]

One area of the 00s that i think was overlooked was how many movies had primarily metal/ metal adjacent soundtracks The Saw franchise, Punisher, Queen of the Damned These movies would also have a great impact on their own respective spheres and i think that the soundtracks deserve some credit for that

[@BlueMilkJedi]

Also look at when WWF blew up in the late 90’s to mid 00’s and ever PPV had theme songs from metal bands even anime when it was localized were using metal songs in their shows. I feel like the late 90’s to mid 00’s was a perfect mix seemed like you had just as many people listening to metal had hip hop pop and punk and even a lot people that would listen to multiple type of music. Now it just seems like everything is this mix of hip hop pop and everything else has become obscure.

[@Rowierowrow]

The Freddy VS Jason soundtrack was fire 🔥

[@dirtygerty577]

i always liked RollerBall the one scene when they show slipknot was one of my favorites :P

[@furai-ingfalc-kuru8149]

Even the Matrix soundtrack though it was so a diverse. Rob D is fuckin mad

[@philipphawk]

Also video games, my favorite video game soundtrack would probably have to be 2003's Need For Speed Underground, closely followed by 2005's Need For Speed Most Wanted :)

[@himrich02]

I am going to respectfully disagree. I would say 90s is peak and 2000 was tail end. Metallica sold 18 million copies of the Black Album, Far Beyond driven hit number 1, Slaughter the Soul, Destroy Erase Improve, peak korn, the TRL peak you spoke of was 99, peak ozzfest, Slipknot’s arrival, grunge, death metal’s peak, and tool became tool. From my personal experience, I have not seen anything in the 2000s that matches the insanity of going to see Pantera in the 90s.

[@kurtw6922]

Yeah this doesn't fit nicely into decades. Probably more accurate to say from Metallica's Black Album to LP's Meteora was peak rock in terms of Western popularity. I haven't finished the video but a lot of times these discussions are biased to our taste but to truly talk about 'rock' in the national consciousness you have to throw in bands from genres that haven't necessarily aged well but were popular (hair metal anyone?) as well as 'meme' bands like Creed and Nickleback who were more popular than anything we would hold up as 'better'.

[@mateuszkucharski1350]

I would say '85 - '95 but you are close.

[@TheBulbocularE97]

Came here to say the same😂

[@matthewahler8662]

I think you make some good points for the commercial successes of hard, heavy and metal music. However throughout the aughts you could see great metal music at every level; house shows, club gigs, theatre shows, amphitheatres, arenas and festivals. Not to mention the sheer proliferation of sub genres.

[@Jmack7861]

He said metal, not dad rock 😏

[@peterhopqk]

When I think of 2000: Limp Bizkit, Eminem, Napster, Metallica, Playstation 2, The Matrix on DVD, NSYNC, Britney and Christina

[@fiction3940]

AOL

[@mr.onethirtyeight5088]

Monday Night Raw?

[@lewisgrant7622]

When I think of 2000 Wrestlemania 16 Spyro 3 Limp bizkit Metallica Napster Ice cube The climax of the Monday night war

[@EricAxel36]

Man, going to places as a pre-teen and hearing them play stuff like Linkin Park 'In The End', POD 'Alive', System of a Down 'Chop Suey', etc. was life altering. The nostalgia is real.

[@msroxannablack]

Idk if there will ever be a moment again when you had Headbanger’s Ball and Uranium and Ozzfest and The Osbournes on MTV, but those were beautiful times.

[@irishspagetti6565]

probably not but we got so much content like that online now

[@That_dude87]

Uranium was my shit!, looked forward to it back in 2002 was fuse went by much music. I wonder what happened to julia?

[@ogvelociraptor205]

Mistress Julia ? I remeber Her infamous interview with SOAD​@That_dude87

[@romethompson7762]

MTV won’t be in business

[@beforemanhattan]

You can only understand life backward, but you must live it forward.

[@nichande]

Kierkegaard

[@OrbitalRecordshq]

what?

[@beforemanhattan]

@@nichande bingo!

[@Tygertyger85]

@@beforemanhattan The opposite applies to wearing baseball caps

[@beforemanhattan]

@@Tygertyger85 bahaha best comment.

[@alexg7352]

It's not just metal...Lately, I've realized that the 2000s were the last great era of Rock. But damn..it sure went out in style!

[@mrconfusion87]

Yup! I pity the youths who did not get to experience a time when guitar-driven music was considered "cool" by the mainstream!

[@wyattcole5452]

It’s comments like these that make me question myself as much as others

[@jamesrubio9816]

I'm glad I got to taste the tail end of 2000s metal. My first show was seeing Trivium/Coheed/Slipknot when I was 13 in 2009. A few months later I went to Mayhem fest. Those memories will always stick with me.

[@irishspagetti6565]

I was 21 in 2009 and just started to get into more progressive stuff (Opeth, Meshuggah) I was into metal core scene that exploded in 2003 along with some nu metal

[@adamaceto1610]

Saw that same lineup in the Forum in Inglewood LA. Trivium went first and Coheed sucked so back the whole crowd started chanting Trivium lol

[@THEJimmiChanga]

Only Finn w/ the PRMBA can cover the same topic 15 times over 5 years, each w/ a slightly different angle and title and have me continue to come back and watch every time in it's entirety.

[@Litoff90]

Man ... A "healthy" Bam and the late great Alexi Laiho sharing a brotherly hug. =') It got to me ...

[@Litoff90]

@@maxsmart9116 Yeah, I did too. Hopefully he remains sober, and happy. It's long over due.

[@Digital-Jump]

I just realized 'The End of Heartache" was 20yrs ago... wow, time flys

[@unforg1v3n]

"..and HIM, who basically owe their entire career to Bam." They were pretty known in Europe before even meeting Bam.

[@davincisama]

The 2024 comparisons actually helped my "old" 38 yo ass understand current state of affairs.

[@BloodandSoilNS]

Yep. The 90s early 00s was the last time anything made sense. It was a free feeling and unless you lived it, it's hard to explain.

[@Xanatos_Clutch]

Dude, I'm with you on that one, especially since I'm also 38.

[@lakabaka]

I remember when Jack played Meshuggah .. I was all like " WTF ?!?! " Here in Sweden we listen to them but thought no one else did.

[@Roofdaddynick]

Best band of all time

[@JeffreydeKogel]

Haha I was really pleasantly surprised to suddenly hear "Soul Burn" on such a popular show.

[@dasnutnock6408]

In tops of popular appeal, no question. Rock & metal at their mainstream/commercial peak, alongside things like skateboarding. It'll resurface in popularity again eventually.

[@irishspagetti6565]

it was still the mono culture that i think it definitely lost these days

[@user-bf6gz8ej4o]

It will never resurface, sorry to tell you. Every trend from now on will be lead by TikTok posers.

[@zackg5046]

Is it just me or does 2005 not feel like it was nearly 20 years ago……

[@nikolaprango2552]

I would argue that the 80's/early 90's were the golden age of metal commercially and creatively. You must admit that overall, heavy metal and hard rock grew and became very popular in the '80s and early '90s.

[@dynamicascension981]

Slipknot and SOAD came out in the 2000’s. It’s my personal belief that slipknot is the best metal band of all time.

[@raygreeko]

I never really knew what genre Chiodos exactly fell into or how to describe them to others but man their album “All’s well that ends well” was, and still is EPIC. Instrumentals were almost majestic sounding. If there’s anyone that somehow hasn’t heard that album go give it a listen and get back to me

[@android521]

Epic post hardcore. Too bad they couldn’t recreate the sound and energy on later releases. Illuminaudio is definitely their best album musically but falls flat without Craig Owens involved.

[@Wh33lsofFortune]

I remember seeing them here in Michigan back when they were still the Chiodos Brothers. I was in high school at that time so that was probably 2003. I saw them where I live in Roseville Michigan at the VFW hall on Utica road. That place no longer exists but the memory still does.

[@sgordon57xx]

Have you heard DRUGS? It's Craig Owen's project after Chiodos and it's incredible.

[@android521]

@@sgordon57xx it’s solid hard rock and Craig slays but doesn’t hit musically like Chiodos. They were just so much more fun and creative.

[@benamisai-kham5892]

Honestly I always categorized them under the emo label; I know it's a heavily stigmatized genre label by most but it checks the marks for the genre.

[@AnabolicAliens]

Metal fan for life 🧑🏼‍🎤🎸

[@dwite02]

I feel like one thing that really gets overlooked is the overblown hype of Y2K.. for those unaware.. Y2K was basically a huge dose of doomsday propaganda that the media had been feeding us. Basically stating that because our computers weren't technologically prepared for the date rollover in the year 2000, nuclear missile launch and other catastrophic computer failures were imminent.. this, in my opinion had a great impact on the outpouring of creativity and the lifestyle so many of us lived.. because we simply didn't know what the future held or if we would live beyond 1999.

[@TheOldSchoolCrisis]

Y2K wasn't really propaganda... It was a real legitimate threat which took YEARS to address properly. Y2K was an avoided disaster, not some made up boogieman. The media did overhype it as it was a story to tell at the time. But make no mistake, there was a legitimate threat there.

[@X3R0NZ]

I remember. How anticlimactic was that!? 😅😂

[@roadrash2005]

@@X3R0NZit was a coding error due to bit limitations, but it was fixed months before the year ended.

[@slipswitch]

Pointless in terms of the video, but anyway

[@blackmesacake5361]

KoRn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Static-X, all releasing their most metal oriented stuff in the 2000s, it was soooo good

[@seized-timbres]

CKY and skateboarding/bodyboarding videos, put me onto so much punk, hardcore and the light side of death metal. I honestly think if it wasn’t faor skate and bodyboarding videos. The most diversity I would’ve had for awhile was the punk o rama CDs

[@cravensleepwalker5804]

Honestly, Metal and Rock Music in general "peaked" in the 80s. By the end of the 80's Metal was THE mainstream. Love them or hate them, the glam bands were massively popular and it was "cool" to listen to them, dress like them, etc. And even "pop" music at the time was heavily rock leaning. Then the 90s came and bubble gum pop and hip hop came along and started splitting the fans. The Seattle scene exploded and the "grunge" look definitely was popular, but it wasn't quite as "cool" anymore. The early 2000s were more like the last time Metal and Rock still competed to be the biggest mainstream music and there were definitely some worthy bands, but they didn't rule the world the way they did in the late 80s.

[@jankapaa3074]

I’d broaden it to the (very) early nineties. But yeah, look at the ‘80s pop stars. Some of them look more metal than today’s metal musicians 😉

[@powermonger9090]

@@jankapaa3074todays ‘Metal’ bands look more like edge lords from Twitch trying to be cool.

[@stephen9302]

SHAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRON!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BrockSumner-dk5fk]

How many 40 year old men, clicked on this video when they saw Fred durst on the thumbnail?

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

All of them 😇

[@vicvinegarLLC]

33 here 😢

[@fitohoyos]

36 here… I did it because of Bam Marguera. 💪

[@JangoMike]

I clicked for my friend Mitch

[@The-Seventies]

40 and guilty 😎

[@thomasstunts]

Every time I watch your videos I'm transported back to 99 and the early 2000's and you're absolutely right - that was the peak of metal music. It breaks my heart to know it's magic is gone but your videos help me cherish those memories. What a time to be alive! Keep up the great videos

[@dannorris642]

All true! It was a great time to be a metal/hardcore fan. The bands and tours were so diverse in those days. You had all the different scenes/subgenres all kinda thrown together at times. It made for some of the best and unforgettable tours/shows. Sadly, I think we took it for granted.

[@meanmrbean8641]

I started listening to metal in the 2000s because my normie friends at school would talk about it. If I’d been at school today, I’d probably end up listening to K Pop.

[@residentpotato6023]

🏳️‍🌈

[@greasybumpkin1661]

No you'd be into rap, that's the dominant genre

[@mrconfusion87]

​​@@greasybumpkin1661 Increasingly becoming "was". Hip Hop trails Rock music by around 15-20 years in terms of popularity trajectory. We haven't really had new Hip Hop stars emerge into household names in a number of years (the generation of Kendrick Lamar, Drake, and Travis Scott are prolly the last bunch that became so)... 🤷‍♂️

[@PISStopherNolan]

​@greasybumpkin1661 hip-hop is nowhere near the most popular genre anymore. It's been in a steady decline

[@greasybumpkin1661]

@@PISStopherNolan @mrconfusion87 aight then what do you think is on top right now?

[@chriskjo1611]

The 2000s is when I started going to live shows. I remember first seeing Killswitch Engage in MTV's 'Rock im Park' (Nürnberg, Bayern, Deutschland) in the summer of 2005. I became a huge fan of Howard Jones era Killswitch Engage. And through going to KSE shows afterwards I discovered Hatebreed and As I Lay Dying. I saw MCR in that same festival which was 2 years before they released Black Parade. I was also a big fan of 'Enter Shikari', 'Funeral for a Friend', and 'Bullet For My Valentine'. You know the Bri'ish(t) 'scene' bands.

[@devizesolstice4617]

I think it's peaking again tbh. Gen z is really getting into it and are becoming musicians themselves for it. Progressive is especially popular amongst them now alongside nu metal. Hell even pop and rap artists are now getting into it more and are open about it. It's a wild time in the scene and I love it.

[@lakabaka]

Follow the Baddies .. The hot girls are getting in to metal = popular again

[@gallusgallusdomesticus281]

Elder gen z(1997 - 2003), who used the internet were heavily exposed to nu metal. Even though nu metal and metal in general fell out of fashion by the late 2000s, KZbin was still a goldmine for goofy anime amvs with linkin park, limp bizkit, evanescence etc. It doesn't surprise that that we're seeing a rise in interest for metal. Gen z or atleast a sizable chunk grew up with it.

[@npc4188]

its coming back because current music sucks and people want change

[@connorrichards2625]

Great vid. Lots of great contemporary metal bands: Pallbearer, Thou, Cult of Luna, Chat Pile, Panopticon, Tribulation, Deafheaven, Alcest, Kvelertak, Baroness

[@markfranx]

Cool video!! Without a doubt it was the biggest time in metal, growing up in that time I remember coming home from school and flicking on MTV to see deftones or sevendust on. I feel like social media has ruined what’s considered mainstream these days, everyone subscribing to their own things these days I guess

[@BradNolanVideography]

Appreciate you using my Meshuggah footage from Ozzfest. 🤘

[@TheJester765]

Napster was the King back in the 90s to find great metal bands 😊😊😊

[@20cent]

Nah, Audiogalaxy was. It had "similar artist" section. Napster only let you find what you were looking for.

[@brendankelly9789]

Your video reminds me of a short I saw yesterday. In a interview by Nore (or podcast?) rapper Nelly said he came up in the most competitive era of Hiphop. As a genre rap peaked probably during the same time of metal. The trajectory basically looks the same. Both metal and Hiphop share a productive decade of creativity in the 90's.

[@AngelofDethMetal]

Being a Teen in the 2000’s, my friends & I would always lament that we missed the 1980’s golden era of Metal. Now looking back, I realize how good we had it in the 2000’s… Metal probably wasn’t quite as popular compared to the 80’s and we hated contemporary US metal (Into classics & Modern European genres) but damn was it still a good decade for Rock/Metal, the last gasp I fear.

[@mchankerhoff853]

It will be back. American culture is about to do a complete flip flop. Metal is the soundtrack for the silent majority that is about to take back control. Let’s fuckin go!!!

[@CheddarTheShredder]

I think the issue with the creativity problem modern metal and music has in general is just that music has been a thing for centuries. There's no new chord progression or catchy melodies that people can make. The most unique and creative stuff these days are artists just mashing two genres together as hard as they can. Wether it be dubstep, trap or polka that's the only stuff people view as creative. Like Darko US. It's just mashing Trapcore plus Deathcore with panic sounds. So even the new unique stuff is just a rehash of what's either already happened or is currently going on. Like whats Darko US but not Deathcore Limp Bizkit?

[@donoteatglass]

Your takes and observations on metal seem a lot more well informed over the last year. I'm impressed with the research you've put in. Great content.

[@d.s.7637]

Seeing Killswitch Engage at Warped tour in 2007 was a so awesome. Worth the serious sunburn.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

It's because of T.F.K They rocked the party And kept the party jumpin' in an old school way

[@bohemianlucy4726]

Funny thing is first remember coming across HIM on a different channel (Fuse) but the thing that caught my attention (besides the good music) was the fact that the symbol was in the music video and I was like "Bam Margera?" 😅

[@shanojebs]

I disagree with most of these points. It comes from a person with limited knowledge of what metal is. It rose to popularity, sure, but to say it peaked is a very vague claim. Many metal bands emerged to rebel against the generic bland metal bands getting that pop attention. The rise of the Osbournes had nothing to do with metal, it was about people laughing at a family. This is a very US-centric view, arguably metal is bigger in Europe now than it ever was in the US in the 2000s, and that kept rising organically from the 1990s, possibly earlier. I grew up in the 2000s era of metal and I don't listen to any of those bands now, they were a gateway to other bands I regularly listen to today. I feel embarrassed to have liked some of those bands, which I see as a fad. Most metal bands today would be disgusted to be derived from Linkin Park and BMTH and Slipknot. It cheapens the whole genre. That can't be a serious comparison.

[@artvandalay7632]

The nu metal -> early metalcore years of 1998-2004 were an unspeakable vibe. You had to be there to see Korn dominating TRL and Killswitch shirts being worn by normies unironically

[@gavenskyles-jones7086]

I love your videos man! I’m a fellow Snohomish native and I binge your content all the way overseas. Thanks for keeping me i entertained while I serve my time, maybe I’ll run into you when I’m home I’d love to chat (especially about grunge). Keep up the awesome work!

[@WarmandWavy]

Rock am Ring in Germany was and is another festival that was insane in the early 2000’s. Limp Bizkit, AS, Green Day….still headline RAR.

[@blarfroer8066]

Nu Metal peaked and I guess metal peaked in popularity, but quality wise, a lot of genres are still going strong today. Black Metal, Folk Metal and bands that just don't care about the boundaries between subgenres are on the rise right now. Festivals that focus on the more popular bands and subgenres seem to get bigger and bigger. Sadly, they're also getting much more expensive.

[@markusszelbracikowski956]

Man I thought Ozzy was old as fuck back then, now on this footage he looks way younger than I remembered lol

[@Bigboy_T-1000]

Great to see the 2000's recognized as a distinct period and not just an extension of the 90's. Awesome video!

[@coveredinthorns7185]

What are you even talking about? Metal was far more popular in the 80s, this isn't even an opinion it's just objectively true.

[@Telesko]

I was in high school in the 00's, all my friends loved metal and heavy music. I had been into heavy stuff since my childhood days in the 90s but now everyone was into it. Cut to today and Im alone in what I listen to again. I miss metal being more mainstream

[@sarapoz4197]

I truly feel blessed for getting to grow up during the late 90’s through the 00’s heights- the huge festival tours in the 90’s and early 00’s to the smaller tours like headbangers ball- to working in a small punk rock club that featured all the up and coming later 00’s. Truly blessed!

[@punkrocknik]

I went to ozzfest in 2001 in camden new jersey at 12 yrs old for my first concert. My dad took me for my birthday. Such a great day seeing Black Sabbath etc

[@Retro-2-now]

I wish someone would do a video on “what happened to A Stained Glass Romance / To The Lions” I’ve always wondered what happened to the band

[@Bloods2006]

ASGR is so good. Sixty Six bound Malibu is forever one of my favorite songs. The early 00s NC scene piggy backing off of what Prayer For Cleansing did was incredible.

[@BSC2CGYM]

Slipknot playing The Heretic Anthem on Conan is one of the hardest performances in late night TV

[@beforemanhattan]

Up there with when Dillinger Escape Plan performed on late night tv!

[@THEKACK123]

I was going to mention Dillinger and ETID as the 2 heaviest late night show performances. Dillinger Escape Plan was for sure around in the late 90's too. Spotify listed them in 2013 as the most played world wide and also metal music as the top genre. Idk what happened after that.

[@tryhardmoo]

i was born in 98 so i grew up with 2000’s metal. Discovering All That Remains with “Six” in GH2 (The Fall Of Ideals to me is the greatest metalcore album ever recorded, hands down). Killswitch with Howard was just absolute peak. Then you had Bullet For My Valentine with Tears Don’t Fall and then Scream Aim Fire. And then Deathcore with Suicide Silence. I’m grateful to have grown up in that era of metal. Sonically it laid the foundation for what we have today and it was such an awesome time to be in. Obviously I can’t speak on the teenagers and young adults from that era but you get what I mean

[@dalekay9ine]

I'm so grateful to have been a teenager in the mid 90s, and the early 2000s- such an exciting time for music and heavier/ metal and rock music. People were pushing boundaries left and right, there was an excitement in almost all the sub genres I loved.

[@MCBard-ru7yu]

I got to see the headbanger's ball tour come through SLC in 2003 i believe. Lamb of God, killswitch engage, shadow falls, and unearth, all one one ticket. Maybe 200 to 300 people at the club. Still one of the best concerts I've ever attended. The 2nd gen metalcore is probably my favorite genre of music.

[@nicholascameron6603]

I'm old enough to remember Bullet For My Valentine debuting their album Scream Aim Fire on Jimmy Kimmel live like 14 year's ago! Man metal was epic in the 2000's 🤯

[@residentpotato6023]

You watch Kimmel? 🏳️‍🌈

[@torstenscholz6243]

BmfV ware imo another underrated reason for metal being so popular in the 00s: They sounded similar to the nu metal bands of their time but also were much closer to traditional metal in their sound and look, so they became an important gateway band for metal kids in the 00s.

[@phorestpsy]

The Korn Spot shows metal wasnt going toe to toe with backstreet and nsync. I loved Korn back then like any depressed preteen and hoped they would unseat the boybands but they never did. And that was with the two of them splitting the boyband vote. Finn gets so nostalgic about nu metal but it waa just the corporate alternative to capture the demographics that boy bands and britney/aguilera or eminem werent reaching.

[@kram0786]

Major props man! The other day Caity Babs was talking about your channel on SiriusXM Turbo!

[@doomztay]

I was in high school in the 2000s and nostalgia aside, the 2000s were peak in almost all genres of music. But I will say, I do love the metalcore and hard rock of the last 5 years

[@simonb8988]

Wow, I knew they had Cradle of Filth on Viva La Bam but don’t remember Dimmu Borgir.

[@tshred666]

I would argue that “nu metal” and groove metal are basically just commercially successful hardcore rather than metal. When I listen to bands like korn and slipknot and post vulgar pantera and post chaos ad sepultura, the overall sound feels much closer 80’s and 90’s hardcore and crossover thrash (albeit much slower) than it does to metal. There are elements of metal in both styles but even back in the 90’s the artists themselves recognized that they weren’t making metal as it was understood up that point. “Shaved heads meet hair in the mix, blending the 80’s and 90’s with hate.” Phil said it best in 96.

[@normalguy144]

My 1st experience of metal music was Need For Speed Most Wanted in 2005. NFS was in it's peak following Underground 2, and they had BFMV, Static-x, Avenged Sevenfold etc. That track list actual went so hard for 12yr old me running from the cops in my bedroom

[@torstenscholz6243]

Yup, true. NFS, Tony Hawk, NHL, etc. - so many great video games with rock/punk/metal-dominated soundtracks that introduced a generation of gamers to so much good heavy music.

[@WIBYTIEDH]

The absolute deluge of metal in the media during the 2000s can never be overstated. Up in Canada, we had Much Music and there was a segment at 4am called Much LOUD where they would play the top metal music videos of the week. I just so happened to fall on an episode where they featured Hatebreed, Lamb of God, DevilDriver and Daath. And then in video games, I got a PS2 with ATV Offroad Fury 2 as part of the bundle which had just a sea of bangers like Here To Stay by Korn and Science by System of a Down. And Guitar Hero .... ohhhh man did Guitar Hero ever make a splash. I wasn't old enough for the Nu Metal craze, nor was I sure if we even had TRL in Canada, but when I delved, I jumped in head first and never looked back. I do agree that was probably one of the last great decades for metal and heavy music. The only thing that I can really give credit to with the newer generation and KZbin, is that it's all more accessible than it's ever been. But I kind of miss the "thrown in your face" style of those specific types of shows and media

[@lewismaclean8849]

Hey Finn, just wanted to say congraulations on all your videos and success. Secondly, I was wondering if you could do a video about the sub genre of Neon Pop, and one of my favourite underrated bands from a recognizable songwriting perspective, Cobra Starships. Keep up the amazing work.

[@A.Moortal]

It's so weird to me that some people say Metalcore isn't a metal genre. Yes there's punk influence but it's still metal my dudes.

[@nicklose3631]

The early 00’s were also an incredible time for stuff in the underground. Labels like Relapse, Unique Leader others were putting out some of the most innovative music in Death Metal and Grind. Pretty much all of the technical elements (outside of Meshuggah) that have found their way info all of the Deathcore and Metalcore stuff came from those times. Bands like Origin, Cephalic Carnage, Dying Fetus, Cattle Decapitation, The Dillinger Escape Plan and on and on. It felt like every year or so from 99 to 2012 or so, there was something coming out that felt like it was pushing boundaries and really trying to evolve.

[@musicisajourney]

Yes, great video! Lots to think about. Funny thing is that for me, metal reached its commercial peak in the eighties and we’ve never seen anything like it again. But you said “modern metal”, so again, two very different sounding eras in the evolution of heavy metal / metal music. Nice!

[@ericderami]

Correction....Tool took Meshuggah out in 2001 on the first run for Lataralus. That tour is likely where Jack had heard them but I first heard Meshuggah in summer 2000 from the Deftones crew and we know Jack was running around with those guys so who knows. But I know Meshuggah was out with Tool before they did the Ozzfest. The Tool crowd at the Madison Wisconsin date really hated them! LOL

[@johngiles6376]

I miss the 2000s

[@innocentrage1]

If only if I knew what I knew now but in early 2000s when I wasn't an awkward teen

[@johngiles6376]

@@innocentrage1 ikr, me too.

[@mrconfusion87]

​@@johngiles6376 Me three man... 🤣🍻

[@Draken0023]

You’re stuck in the past. Don’t feel bad, though; most of us get there eventually. Music, sports, TV/movies; almost everyone starts slipping back to what was most fond to us. Rock on, youngsters 🤘

[@spacemagic6265]

It was fun time to grow up as a metalhead. For sure. Ozzfest 01 was my first show. 14 year old me in a dusty dirty hatebreed pit is a golden memory of mine.

[@Sweetguy1821]

Early 2000s was my posthardcore days. Loved bands like posion the well, From autumn to ashes, senses fail ect. Chiodos was a good one as well.

[@roflc0re]

The early to mid 00's was such a vibe, glad have lived through it ♥️

[@THEKACK123]

Dillinger Escape Plan should have been mentioned. All the bands mentioned would tell you Dillinger is the best Metal band of the 00's

[@damo8791]

HIM were really big in Europe but probably owe Bam for their success in America

[@christostefan]

Considering Jazz started with ragtime and where it's at now. With Rock around 75 years old. This is about the same trajectory.

[@clintbond5009]

Underoath - Desperate Times, Desperate Measures being on Madden 09 was a trip for me. I think they also had a song on ATV Offroad Fury, a staple of 2000s gaming.

[@ihavealife002]

When I booted that game up the first time and heard that song I was so confused and hyped haha. Was so cool to see. Fucking love me some underoath.

[@Bloods2006]

I think it was madden 08 that had ‘right side of the bed’ by Atreyu.

[@ToddGillespie1977]

Dial MTV was before TRL and the Hair Metal bands shared it with some 80s pop bands. There are parallels between those 2 genres as crazy as it sounds.

[@bengriffin50]

This made me so nostalgic! I got into metal around 2008 and remember all the metalcore and deathcore bands that were blowing up around that time. A lot of that shit still holds up really well.

[@EvilGoatBoy]

Back when MTV still played music & the world actually acknowledged us freaks! Early 2000s metal culture was a fuckin' experience. We had all the great 60s/70s/80s/90s rock & metal to introduce us to this kind of music, and a lot of strong bands of our own time that really bridged the age gap of metal music better than any other time period. I miss the traveling festivals so much. Strong rumor from Sharon & Ozzy themselves that Ozzfest could make a comeback soon!! Imo, the 2000s is the last era of true music. Everything after has become so reliant on non-instrument electronics & computers. There's nothing like being in a garage or basement and people just start jamming without the need for setting up all sorts of various additives. Fuck, man, the world really was a better place to be back then.

[@torstenscholz6243]

So sure. 90s and 00s are and will probably forever remain the peak of music and especially rock and metal in terms of popularity, but also quality and creativity. Since the early 2010s, it all started to go downhill.

[@stevester9148]

I loved the Nu Metal era, but it was popular BECAUSE it was loud and and angry pop music.

[@louisbowles726]

I never knew about Gwar in Viva LA Bam thank u for sharing the info!

[@musicisajourney]

I must be old. As a teen in the eighties, watching you talk about metal hitting it’s peak in the 2000s makes me feel like an Ancient Greek hearing someone talk about the Roman times. But it does help one thing: some younger folks these days are saying that Black Sabbath was not a heavy metal band. If we look at metal from a 2000s onward perspective, I can understand why they’d say that.

[@TheOldSchoolCrisis]

As a big metal fan who really started getting into music in the mid 00's it was always so weird to think of older music as being "heavy". So many of those bands just feel like hard rock compared to even some of the poppier bands of the 00's. Still love a lot of that older stuff, but to think that Black Sabbath was ever heavy really shows how quickly people's idea of music can shift in just a couple of decades.

[@musicisajourney]

@@TheOldSchoolCrisis Yes, thank you for that! That’s exactly the point I’m hitting on. “Heavy” is relative to era and listener. There’s a letter to the editor in a 1975 issue of Circus magazine that complains about the magazine calling Can heavy. The letter’s author says that he wants more articles on really heavy bands like Black Sabbath. Martin Popoff the metal music journalist describes metal’s history in three periods: invention 1970, reinvention 1976, and reintensification 1984. I think we need to add a chapter for modern metal as Finn describes it in the 2000s.

[@jordin36]

Wtf. You stopped the Gwar clip before Oderus heartbreakingly explains to Phil why the guys downstairs are not his friends?

[@chrism.t.7726]

As always you are driving solid points across! But, even though I'm getting old and now listening to kids half my age, I still think metal has a lot of headroom left to grow.

[@ranterraver5959]

Oh man, what a trip down memory lane. These were the most formative years of my teenage life, and I had no idea how lucky I was to live through at as actively as I did. And you reminded me to add a bunch of job to my Spotify list, thanks man!

[@hypoluxa]

I was around for it, and I can honestly say I was totally unaware of like 95% of the bands he mentioned here. I'm still discovering stuff from waaay back. It's amazing how many unheard of bands from the "pre-whatever-genre-here" there are.

[@mashroom7706]

Good video. Love hearing SikTh's name mentioned, even if just in passing. On the difficult quest to find modern music of a similar octane, I need some help. Tallah is perhaps the most exciting one I've found in a while. Any assistance appreciated.

[@alexgossage2333]

Man I remember seeing Tesseract and Sikth at my local scout hall in the early 2000s. Absolute peak teenage years.

[@darrensanimalsreptilesfish30]

I remember not liking untouchables when it came out. Circled back to it as an adult and it’s great actually

[@eyeseaurn]

Rock and metal have become legacy genres, just like jazz or blues. This includes punk, too. I mean, you can always start your punk or metal band. However, most of the time, you will just end up being an inferior copy of your inspirations. At least, musically. And this is where it gets interesting. Lyrics also matter. As long as lyrics are skillfully crafted and reflect on the society we live in, any genre has a chance at staying culturally relevant.

[@nikolaprango2552]

Even in my country North Macedonia back in 1991/1992/early 1993 metal was everywhere. I remember watching Cinderella/Winger/Iron Maiden/Metallica/Skid Row/Motley Crue/Poison/G n R etc videos on our Macedonian tv channels back then in early 90s. We had only three Macedonian channels, but they heavily played Metal videos. On channel 3 they played MTV europe from 08:00 pm to 10:00 am. In 1991/1992 even in early/mid 1993 hard rock and heavy metal regularly topped the charts in my country . Rock was never better then at the 80s/early 90s when Heavy Metal bands were ruling the world. I liked pretty much everything Heavy Metal from the heavier stuff like Metallica/Megadeth to the over the top stuff with the makeup and hair like Poison/Cinderella, and the "somewhere inbetweens", as I think of them, like Guns N Roses. I think every band brought something of their own to the scene, even if they were the result of record labels getting greedy and over saturating the market.

[@MykaTheDevil]

2nd Wave Metalcore (which I dubbed 2004-Core) was the absolute best, IMHO. So catchy and legendary songs. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Modern Metal and want it to reach the highest of heights. However, I do miss those old days.

[@malikimaliqjosephuddoh4929]

Just started the video, and am already butthurt. 😡

[@Chill-mm4pn]

😂 Gotta make a "Finn Mckinty Is A Poseur" video or it didn't happen.

[@angrychair5864]

@@Chill-mm4pn sad thing he kinda is

[@matthewsommerville88]

Looking back, it is so cool and weird/out of the norm that Korn literally did own TRL for a good while.

[@torstenscholz6243]

Also, in 1999/200, Limp Bizkit was the most popular band on the planet. Unthinkable that such a band could become so popular nowadays, but totally possible in the late 90s and early 00s.