The Debate So Vile I Had To End It

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[@diablominero]

Centrist: takes an enormous dump without undressing first Progressive: "you just shat your pants" Conservative: "yeah, you absolutely just shat your pants" Centrist, smugly: "if both sides are criticizing me, I must be right"

[@MrAreallycoolname]

Progressive: We should let in all refugees, travelling and living around the world should be a freedom for all. Conservative: Close the borders, noone gets to live anywhere but their home country. Centrist: How about we at least start and require a basic set of documents (for example passport or birth certificate) for the traveller to have in order to be legal in our country, otherwise we end up with a big unknown. Progressives and conservatives: Oh typical enlightened centrist, how dare you coming up with a somewhat reasonable and goal oriented solution to a problem many countries are facing today. Dont you see that polarising the population is the only way to get change? See, constructing a strawman is that easy.

[@Taxthechurch]

@@MrAreallycoolname you did the straw man wrong tho. The progressives are for visas and green cards considering they what them to have freedom. You should have only said conservatives.

[@pako5586]

@Serafine oh wanna hear a real one progressives:"we want civil rights" conservatives: "we want all of you to die" your dumb ass*: compromise?

[@MrAreallycoolname]

@@pako5586 Watch out, your room temperature IQ is showing (in °C that is). The positions that a centrist can and will take is never guided by thinking he/she has to appeal to everyone. Try going through life without subscribing to one particular notion of stuff, maybe its not too late.

[@Thatotter223]

How old are you?

[@Duskets]

“I simply would have convinced slave owners to stop being racist” is currently my favorite Civil War take.

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

"If you are homeless, just buy a house" energy

[@TheSpeep]

And honestly those were his best points.

[@RGCDTB]

Im vegan stop killing animals bro life is cool n stuff

[@takkeilost]

i can fix her energy

[@rawbebaba]

High speed leas brain rearrangements have worked effectively though

[@Horus4302]

You can make fun of this guy all you want, but in another universe he debated Hitler out of the Holocaust and convinced him to draw kitty postcards as profession.

[@cajdoesstuff9454]

Man was probably Jesus ngl

[@tyronelol]

Delusional lol

[@Monkotzoo]

He could've, he's built different 💯 frfr

[@elgatochurro]

By converting Hitler to pedophilia?

[@megauser8512]

LOL!

[@CookieWorm]

The more comfortable this guy gets with making jokes, the less comfortable I get with being alive

[@Li8aGun92]

That's what annoys me about him the most. He's beeing very obviously creepy and terrible and then in the middle of him addmitting some r4p€y/p€d0 shit he did, he just makes jokes or says something trollish (like at the end here with the color of the underwear), like he's talking to some audience that he expects to agree with him mosty. He's a total narcissist.

[@lillisotnos9157]

Read this comment before watching the video thinking ”it can’t be that bad” …. I was wrong.

[@Li8aGun92]

@@lillisotnos9157 relatable...

[@krollmond7544]

Ok Mother Goose calm down, go watch CP with your hairy Vaush lmao.

[@donaldducksdad5920]

hopefully he becomes a standup legend then! LMAO!

[@QuartzIsAnOxide]

"That's why pedophilia is so attractive to me." That's the poorest choice of words ever to be said on a stream. Edit: I didn't put this at first because I didn't intend to spark such a conversation, I was simply making a joke, but here's the timestamp: 23:09.

[@gfox-ck5xx]

Is it really a poor choice of words if he literally means it tho?

[@JustYKnowY]

I thought that to until it got to the end and then at that point you understand what he means-its even worse

[@scottvelez3154]

Somebody get this man's hard drive and cloud storage he probably got weird shit on there and throw him in the damn jail cell

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@gfox-ck5xx Yes, because letting people knows that he believes it is a recipe for disaster.

[@zarabatanaproductions9240]

@@gfox-ck5xx I think the original person meant it was a poor choice of words cause he could’ve at least dog whistled it

[@micromints1735]

This guy is what 90% of the internet thinks Vaush is

[@hitwoman5650]

ngl, been trying to clarify things Vaush said in the past and good LORD, the information this man is saying is like.... WHAT people hate supposedly about Vaush

[@john-paulhunt451]

rip sjw zombvies. tosses another dart afgter dealing with that idiotic bs.

[@joppekim]

Lool. When 90% of the internet thinks something it's probably true.

[@Robbay363]

@@joppekim Remember when 90% of the internet thought Zoe Quinn slept with a journalist for a good review score? How could they possibly have been wrong about that?

[@matthewpolly5830]

No the internet is right. Vaush is a self-righteous bigot.

[@Sotryn_Fox]

The pure, unadulterated shock on Vaush face when this guy says pedophilia is attractive to him is just pure gold. This guy couldn't have phrased that any worse, holy shit.

[@TheRenegade...]

Freudian slip

[@hoist8111]

It's not bad phrasing when it's just an admition

[@Mox1990]

His sexual attraction to minors is major 💀

[@claires1063]

He did it on purpose.

[@Sotryn_Fox]

@@claires1063 And it did not help his case at all lol

[@finalfrostfall670]

Holyshit that was terrifying. Throughout this whole debate I was slowly backing away in terror and ended up in the corner on the ceiling like a spider. And then you pulled the plug on him and gravity came back and I hit the floor. He didn't want a debate in the first place, only validation he doesn't deserve.

[@SocialistStrike]

Throughout the call every time mrgirl said something creepy in the strangest moments it felt like I was listening to a reading of a scary story. A train wreck that you can't help but watch. And then at the end it was almost like a climax of a story. And unfortunately, it really feels like the guy was getting off to it like Louis CK in a potted plant. I'm glad Vaush pulled the plug there cause he seemed to be building up to more. It felt like he was trying to groom an audience or sexually harass the audience. It almost feels evident that his defense of nazis and slave owners and pedophilia is all an attempt at covertly convincing someone that these are acts that should be tolerated.

[@NealX_Gaming]

OK, that was legit funny imagery in my head reading this, 8/10.

[@DubbleM900]

Cuties Guy: "I think your stances on pedophilia are going to be more controversial than mine." I have never seen someone miss so hard in my entire life.

[@JackgarPrime]

Signs of someone who only knows about Vaush through VDS clippers.

[@Needler13]

And cuties was made by a women to talk about how social media is brainwashing young girls

[@FarremShamist]

@@Needler13 The original, yeah, but the new one really missed the mark.

[@acdesegurgels8663]

@@Needler13 doesnt matter the direction is creepy only pdfile and adjacents would find it palatable

[@luciferkotsutempchannel]

@@Needler13 Cuties is a prime example of idea vs execution. Even if the idea was good, the execution was horrible.

[@angryretailbanker5103]

The last third/half of this conversation is what will forever fester in our memories, but can we all appreciate how this guy's alternative plan to end slavery and the Holocaust would have been to VERY POLITELY debate-bro plantation owners and Hitler? Somehow, I wasn't as sold on the idea as he was.

[@williehardiman6766]

Maybe if my ancestors asked their slave owners to PRETTY PLEASE let them go and if all all slaves asked politely then maybe we could've avoided the civil war.

[@TheDonkey666]

Didn't ghandi send a letter to hitler asking him kindly to stop the holocaust?

[@jakobc.2558]

The people who were shot in the fields or thrown into the chaimbers all begged the nazis to stop. They pleeded with crying eyes. It is so sad that my eyes start to water while writing this. But the nazis didnt stop. No matter how many millions they killed, they never stopped. And this guy wanted to frame it in such a way as if that all could have been avoided by simply debateing or humanizing people. I want to throw up. I was born in and live in germany. Never again.

[@sarahdebrick3372]

And it’s to “avoid death” but how many enslaved people would die, how many acts of brutality would they endure, in the decades it would take for that to work?

[@jo0rd73]

It’s just as ignorant one can be from privilege. Thinking oh if only this group sought and achieved justice through less violent means….when that violence is self defence and happened only after it was the only option worth to try, who gives a shit about violence when it comes to fighting for human rights anyway. Such a braindead position to hold, most civil rights movements were only successful due to using violence unfortunately.

[@donnieward6287]

“Once the novelty wore off…” I feel like I just witnessed someone admitting to a crime

[@lowlyhollow]

yea no 100%

[@greenshyguyfrommario]

I found the guy i keep winning arguments against in the shower

[@morrowindboy4333]

Haha yesss 😂

[@akkere4052]

This guy is the definition of 'intellectually useless'. No prescriptions, no constructive critiques, but endless 'i'm not sure if that was the best idea'. Gets immediately frustrated when made to answer for his bellyaching. Edit: And like all intellectually useless people, the 'all ideas are equally valid' is a facade for something far, far more sinister, as the end of this debate has revealed.

[@akkere4052]

Jesus H Christ I just got to the part about the p-philes. What the actual fuck.

[@xXChipsAndGravyXx]

@@akkere4052 yeah i read the comment and was like... intellectually useless isnt the term id use for this guy lol

[@shockshplock3480]

Tbf what kinda constructive critiques can be offered in this case

[@akkere4052]

@@shockshplock3480 Not sure if you understood my point so I'll clarify with an example -- he makes the broad claim "I don' think violence was needed to end slavery", and when he's asked "what could we have done differently", rather than even so much as address the question, he cowers away and says "see I don't think that's a fair question." It's belief without justification, which is insane. Even a person who believes in a deity entirely through faith will still have an answer to "Why do you believe this." -- Faith. He won't even answer it. He's AFRAID to answer it. And considering his beliefs on p-philia, I can see why he's conditioned himself into refusing to answer even a basic question like that.

[@shockshplock3480]

@@akkere4052 No no I completely agreed with you from the start. Point is, what kind of earthly justifications are there for some of his beliefs?

[@ryanb5127]

I’m like 12 minutes in and I think this person wouldn’t wanna pass any law or make any change without unanimous approval from the entire human race

[@gigangreg7837]

Unless it had to do with getting access to stuff that looked like cp Then he'd want that to be ratified no matter what

[@holdommi7505]

I wish I could have stopped you from watching past 12 minutes in I’m sorry you had to go through what the rest of us did

[@verminscum]

poor lad, you shouldve stopped there lmao

[@richpryor9650]

You guys are all complaining about 12 minutes, I'm cringing at 3 min in.

[@Sensitiveskeptic]

That's actually the best option.

[@puckerings]

"All hate is the same." "The hate between slaves and masters is different, so they're not the same." Literally in two sentences, just completely contradicting himself.

[@SageSea1]

I think he was regarding the practical effects in the second statement, not his idealistic stance on hatred.

[@gotrac8121]

@@SageSea1 even then it's still kinda nonsensical

[@buckyhurdle4776]

I think, in his mind, hate can be more justified in one case than another, but its always "bad." I still think this is stupid, and he didn't explain it very well. But I think thats what he was trying to say

[@jonacker6991]

I had an ego death on LSD and MDMA and it really helped me gain more empathy, and I understand why this man is saying what he's saying and he's a huge problem. He's trying to find the humanity in the darkest recesses of the human mind. I can understand why racists are racist or why Hitler did what he did, but I'm not empathetic to their cause, because their cause was retarded.

[@Grammarhead]

@@superkoopatrooper4879 C'mon, man. OP was LITERALLY talking about seeing where someone is coming from without having any empathy for their cause. "Uhh, self-report much?" is literally the dumbest thing you could've replied with.

[@SocialistStrike]

He's using that exact tactic with pedophilia because he's trying to soften minds to it. I could be convinced that he is just using slavery and nazis as an argument to translate to pedophilia, that is to say I could be convinced he's not a nazi or pro slavery. I couldn't be convinced however that he's not trying to groom thousands of people to be more like him towards underage girls.

[@nickv1212]

Empathy is just trying to see from another's perspective, and doing so can make you unsympathetic to their shitty cause.

[@IAmBuddythedecibwave]

This is one of those prime examples of 'acceptance, NOT condoning'

[@tgs7515]

@@superkoopatrooper4879I can empathize that a MAGA Trump supporter feels left behind or abandoned by government. I can empathize that they believe in an all-powerful being that created and controls everything because they’re scared and don’t understand why things happen in the world. I can empathize with a racist who’s racism is based on decades of fear-based propaganda that has caused them to favor whiteness over any other skin tone. I can empathize with the fact that they’re ignorant and that they’re living their life the way they were taught and that confronting those beliefs and teachings is something that would be uncomfortable and frightening to them. I cannot, and will not, empathize with their choice to continue that ignorance. I cannot and will not empathize with their refusal to accept facts or new information that directly proves their ignorance. I cannot and will not empathize with their hatred and desire to persecute people based on immutable, un-changeable physical or biological differences. None of that is “self reporting”. Its using empathy to understand a person without supporting or agreeing with them. I can, and I will, hate them for the things they CHOOSE to do. For my protection and for the protection of others whom they seek to harm.

[@Armateras]

I'm still waiting for a libertarian debate that doesn't eventually turn into an age of consent debate

[@harpomarxist4185]

Theres a Daily Struggle meme in there somewhere. Probably several.

[@whorror_punx]

Stg thats the core interest behind the entire "philosophy" 🤦

[@theweirdestsmartchannel1842]

“She was 18 in dog years”

[@tempj]

what do you mean eventually?! the entire premise of them talking was to talk about Pedophilia?!

[@mm-dn6oe]

This guy is absolutely not a libertarian. not at all

[@frocco7125]

This guy is extreeemely careful with his language. You can tell he reeeally tries to get people to be "open minded" towards him, and that he's reeeally afraid of stating his digusting beliefs about slavery and p*dophilia.

[@The_Muznick]

most do, they are trying to pass around a new term for it that they think is less disgusting they have taken to calling them selves "minor attracted people" or MAPs. They honestly think that abusing kids is an opinion and not a crime.

[@robertmalone9511]

Tell that to 23:09. But yeah, you're right generally.

[@arfived4]

He dropped the phrase "things people don't feel free to say, or don't dare to say". That's pretty much "I hold some incredibly egregiously shitty opinions, and think that most people secretly agree"

[@KARKAT420]

@@robertmalone9511 WTF I HADN’T WATCHED THE VIDEO YET! I don’t know if I’m prepared for this conversation if that’s not the part that made Vaush hang up.

[@mechadonia]

He’s an advanced troll.

[@steveyuhas9278]

This guy in Nazi Germany without his MOUNTAINS of privilege... Nazi: Marches this guy into the death camp. This Guy: "I have compassion and empathy for yo...." Nazi: Gunshot

[@hughallan1647]

So basically MrGirl is the guy Vaush’s haters think he is.

[@themadmanescaped1]

Pretty much yeah. Funny thing is that they think this debate somehow made Vaush look bad 😂

[@sentientpieceofcheese]

Yep!

[@rahbeat9785]

Huh?

[@dzed5579]

This guy was just on Destiny's and he said when his "girlfriend" came out to him as trans, wanted to go by a new name, and new pronouns, he said, "No, I'm not doing that. I don't believe in that."

[@streamerssaymyname]

Deadwing dork covered him a long while ago and it included a video of him arguing with his gf about women, he looks at his girlfriend with disdain.

[@nachfullbarertrank5230]

damn, he debated rose wrist, destiny and vaush over just a few days

[@ativaadzem566]

So, this man spent an hour talking to vaush about empathy and caring for Nazi but don't respect his ex-gf wishes . I can't even🙄

[@MackenziiRivers]

Wait so is his ex trans female or trans male or what?

[@dzed5579]

@@MackenziiRivers not his ex. They are still together. "She" is still his "girlfriend." He said he was able to "convince" her against "becoming" trans male. 🙄🙄🙄

[@ibringit987]

The way he tries to speak calmly at first at the beginning of each argument and gets very clearly frustrated when asked to actually explain his thought process gives off a ton of red flags by itself

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

The BEST faith thing you could say about that tendency is that he himself hasn't actually thought about any of his own arguments/positions and he's frustrated trying to do for the first time on the spot with his poor social skills. *The BEST faith.*

[@FortuitousOwl]

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty I was gonna say that, it reeks of not actually even knowing what his own beliefs are or thinking through them.

[@tugger]

Exactly. his strat of passive affect is a fail speedrun of error theory

[@chobenn4299]

It’s hilarious he just wants to be agreed with and when he actually has to think about the applications of this thought process he thinks vaush is trying to trick him when he’s really just explaining common sense lmao

[@DrMediterranean]

Yeah his super mellow demeanor suddenly going away towards the end seemingly out of nowhere was off-putting to say the least

[@meganvincent5381]

"I don't think there's a difference between these hates" "So these hates are the same?" "Of course they're not" I'm going to commit a crime

[@Darth_Bateman]

Coming with.

[@FreyjaHerself]

Not before mr.girl commits one

[@FatalAlcatraz]

A HATE crime? :)

[@65avo65]

@@FreyjaHerself came here to say exactly that

[@autumnmatthew3185]

And then vaush brings up a slave’s hate for his master and mrgirl completely backpedals

[@mads2486]

as a 14 year old myself, the last 10 minutes of this convo made me incredibly uncomfortable. i think he said something along the lines of ' well, the 14 year olds cant see you watching them, so its not predatory. ' Actually, sir, its a crime to spy on ANYONE without them looking. So, according to the law, it is predatory. Gross stuff. Someone has to lock that creep up

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

He already was in jail for sympathizing with a mass shooter

[@EAS76]

Yes, this guy needs some help himself! Even if the girl doesn’t know I think we can agree it’s something that is not right and that straight guy looking should get help to mitigate that.

[@Obiamajoyisrmd]

You need to get off the internet, get out of the house, and try to be normal while you still can.

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

@@Obiamajoyisrmd not everyone can get out the house

[@mads2486]

@@Obiamajoyisrmd i regularly attend college. How does me being ' normal ' have anything to do with some random guy being creepy?

[@ryoshima4103]

I love how in his hypothetical where he tried to give an example of "no-one getting hurt", he used spy cameras on unknowing, underaged girls as his example. Like, he couldn't fathom that something could be predatory if the victims remained unaware. His thought process is... truly something.

[@islandofideals6571]

Fucking this. Then moving on to androids who look exactly like underaged girls, like that was harmless. God I feel like I need to take a shower.

[@sunfeatherX3]

I’m 12 minutes in. That’s where we’re going? Aw fuck. I can’t deal with that

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

You don't have to actually hurt anyone to be a predatory person, merely just have predatory intentions. Predatory is about intent, not action.

[@squishish]

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty yep, reminded me of Doe's abuse example in her "debate" with RGR. ("Debate" bc it was just RGR being horrible honestly lmfao) There is a difference between sexually looking at children and actually SAing children, however the first one is still predatory bc of the intent in it.

[@vyxxer]

That what was truly, inhumanly dark for me.

[@posletti]

"we run in different circles" when discussing if they had had conversations about paedophilia seems like a massive self report.

[@ChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChris]

Dude this entire discussion was a self-report

[@posletti]

@@ChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChris realised this as I listened to more of it.

[@JacoNotorious]

People who think this is a "self-report" are closed-minded as hell, too afraid to confront the flaws of the human condition, terrified to admit we are all materially the same. You can't even have conversation much less think about these issues, so how will you contribute to combat them? If you treat certain human actions as sub-human you leave society wide open for those very actions to grow.

[@bonniea.1941]

Yes. Personally at that point I said, “Ewwww.” I’m very articulate, as you can see. 😂

[@meowcow21]

@Ren "people didn't mind the topic but how he talks about it" nice cope

[@Trode22]

The way destiny befriended this guy just to spite vaush then defriended him because he didn't like nick Fuentes made me realize I spend too much time online

[@Mox1990]

Nah it was wayy more complicated. Pretty sure mrgirl tried to slander density and he burnt bridges with him.

[@croc2112]

​@@Mox1990so still befriended him

[@benjamina6618]

I just watched a man's argument get shattered over and over until he just showed his true colors

[@frocco7125]

The first ten minutes just felt like a huge long setup for something awful. EDIT: OH MY GOODNESS

[@tigerguy529]

"Photos taken moments before disaster"

[@Kropothead]

I can’t wait to get to that part.

[@thefatherinthecave943]

I haven’t gotten there yet, I’m kinda scared

[@eziosblade3]

@@thefatherinthecave943 be afraid, be very afraid what in the fuck did i just whitness

[@thefatherinthecave943]

@@eziosblade3 me, at 14:00 : *nervous laughter* haha what the fuuuuuck…..

[@danielkostenko8189]

The start of this debate was just "I'd simply intervene, I'm built different."

[@natalierose1072]

Right! Very Mark Wahlberg on 9/11 vibes

[@magicwizardfrog2497]

And somehow that became talking about his pedophilic preferences

[@LunaticThinker]

And the end of this debate was "So hypothetically speaking... what would be the most popular color of scjlhasdjklhasd." Jesus Christ, even attempting to write that line makes me feel sick.

[@l_ndonmusic]

@@natalierose1072 I was thinking of that one episode where Brian goes back in time to stop 9/11

[@rattailtony2900]

And the end of this debate was just "AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH"

[@RowanTS]

By context he definitely was going to say “he had a” underage girlfriend and how they were ‘more mature’ than overage ones he’s had, and given Vaush’s “I’d rather you not admit to any crimes on my stream” response after that long pause where he thought about it, Vaush absolutely recognised that instantly.

[@amazin7006]

Youre crazy

[@DoodleZoo]

@@amazin7006this guy started talking about underage girls panties, do you really think it’s that unbelievable?

[@zacharyfreeman3924]

Vaush’s face when he says “that’s why pedophilia is so attractive to me” 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭

[@frocco7125]

Everything about this guy is utterly terrifying.

[@Windrider784]

Terrifying? I found him frustratingly weak. Like trying to form him into a functioning human would be like trying to forge mashed potatoes into a hammer head.

[@carbonatedPigeon]

@@Windrider784 terrifying in the sense that he's 100% gonna diddle little kids one day

[@Camio_Lotus]

@@carbonatedPigeon if he hasn't already

[@brentwalker3300]

I would love a psych profile of this guy. He's got issues.

[@elijahgavin6706]

@@brentwalker3300 pretty sure he made a terroristic threat as a joke online before and got arrested

[@TheCountOfMommysCrisco]

The irony is that this guy thinks he's found the cure for extremism, but the fact is he's just an ideological extremist of a different stripe. Yes, empathy is good, that doesn't alter the fact that some ideas are so foundationally broken as to not warrant empathy; merely correction. Two plus two does not equal five and nothing is gained by trying to empathize with a person who argues that it does.

[@siddharthaperi3490]

There’s cognitive empathy and affective empathy where the first is understanding why someone believes the ideologies they believe and exercise patterns of behavior and the latter is feeling and connecting with their ideas and patterns of behavior. I’m all for the primary and none for the latter when it comes to impulsive incendiary groups like white supremacists and fascists. The guest would see a person with Lyme disease and he like “I understand the position of the parasite and giving doxycycline would be detrimental!”

[@matteopoldrugo9535]

Radical centrist who thinks all laws are both good and bad

[@emmaobrien1376]

His claims about slavery and the holocaust & the importance of empathizing with oppressors was pretty clearly a projection of his beliefs about child abusers. If a child abuser is rightfully hated by greater society, and he thinks that they shouldn't be, then he's going to sympathize with other oppressors that are also rightfully hated. I doubt he actually worries himself with the casualties of the Civil War or WWII or the injustices of antisemitism or slavery. He simply wants oppressive and predatory people of all stripes to be accepted, so that he can avoid stigmatization or prosecution himself.

[@QuantumPineapple]

He's the extreme moderate/neutralist

[@GynxShinx]

All people deserve empathy/sympathy. All ideas are not equally correct.

[@MadSaurax]

''I told you I was a care bear, HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME??'' It is a common theme of predators to present themselves as chill, easy going and loving carebears. A mimicry of sympathy, which is likely why this person struggles so much defining what the word even means to him.

[@spaceman7019]

I suppose that's fitting for a man who admitted to beating his ex wife

[@suitnuggerat1123]

Vaush defended cp

[@ProletariatPrince]

Yeah the whole "care bear" thing just like triggered some kind of immediate disgust response in me I almost threw up wtf.

[@AquosFrost]

@@suitnuggerat1123 when??

[@burntalphabetsoup6772]

@@suitnuggerat1123sorry for the late response but can u tell me when?

[@n1nsen666]

I swear when i heard "I'm Mr Girl" it activated my fight or flight response

[@mart664]

yeah when i heard it i was like oh no... THAT guy

[@leifcasanova3097]

@@mart664 “wait a fucking minute, didn’t that guy make a song?”

[@mart664]

​@@leifcasanova3097 your playing minecraft in a cave looking for diamonds thats funny im in the same cave

[@leifcasanova3097]

My focking pancakes-

[@jenlet3956]

It’s fascinating how this guy equates hating a Jew or black person for existing with hating a Nazi who has to assume an ideology to be a Nazi.

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

Well also just being Black or Jewish doesn't mean you mean harm towards others the same way Nazism does.

[@cnvrgnt]

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty Very true. This guy’s attempt at appearing to be a radical centrist is so thinly veiled he might as well just be putting it in a clear plastic bag

[@michaeldromes3948]

That assumes there's a free will. Idk about you but I can't just willingly switch the ideology I most allign with from day to day, just like I can't choose what my favorite ice cream is or what gods I believe in, all of those things are a result of my brain processing information outside of my control.

[@lordmew5]

So im not finished the video but to a certain extent he is correct. From a purely moral neutral standpoint those two are indistinguishable. You can make up a bunch of reasons on why its ok to hate people for ideologies and not on the basis of race but when it comes down to it there is no reason that isn't self serving and emotionally based.

[@fokare692]

The argument he's making is that being socially conditioned to hate people is bad, not that being a nazi is good or being black/Jewish is bad. Understanding why people start believing in white nationalist ideology is important and is hampered by blind hatred, Vaush talks about this when he talks about "The Pipeline" - your political views can be radically different depending on what content you consume.

[@ClockworkMan13]

Civility politics is literally the same thing you see with battered wives. "Yeah he beats me, but really we are both at fault." It's not just disgusting, it's dangerous.

[@mm-dn6oe]

...He is not saying that children are at fault for what happened to them though. You have to actually listen to what he's saying, not just be disgusted by the subject matter.

[@bobwilliams4895]

Yeah disagreeing politically is like being a battered wife. 1 to 1

[@baileylund229]

wow, yeah lets never change. every disagreement should end in violence. then we need to brainwash the youth to think that "kill your enemy, or your world ends" what an advanced world view, you are helping so much

[@foreverdm7000]

@@bobwilliams4895 reading comprehension 0

[@bobwilliams4895]

@@foreverdm7000 Pretty sure I got it.

[@lastandfirstman]

"You are failing to understand my philosophy." "Ok what is your philosophy?" "Look stop trying to pin me down with though questions." I don't think this guy actually talked about anything at all or is capable to do so.

[@enesaue2192]

He is certainly capable to talk about his *appreciation* of girls under the age of consent

[@chrisalan5610]

Cuties Guy: wanna debate? Vaush: sure, define your position. Cuties Guy: that's a trap.

[@SPACEDOUT19]

the fact that that movie is called “cuties” is disturbing in itself

[@neo122333]

The first 3/4 of the debate was awkward but that last run was extremely uncomfortable and creepy. Why the hell would I want to imagine a hypothetical state where infants are strippers

[@HeloisGevit]

It gets his rocks off, you can tell that thought experiment didn't come off the cuff. Probably his ideal society.

[@sypherthe297th2]

I haven't reached that point but what kind of super humans are we breeding where infants have the cognitive and physical capability to be strippers. . .

[@braxinIV]

@@HeloisGevit You can tell by how He went into detail about how 15 would be the age, then changed it to 16, and admitted to 14 “but only until the novelty wears off.” I physically recoiled in my seat. Dude is talking about teen aged strippers like its the latest fashion trend.

[@Nyanx4]

@@braxinIV I genuinely thought I was going to vomit. I'm usually able to stomach that kind of shit, but I think his tone tipped off a few too many triggers for me. Literally talking about children like they're meat to be sampled. Not too dissimilar to a lot of serial abusers think of their victims. I hope Mr Girl lives in the woods somewhere far away from anyone he could hurt, but I get the feeling it wouldn't stop him. *gags*

[@Nyanx4]

@@Ass_of_Amalek I do think it would be useful, at least in some pinned comment. But to be honest, with the way the guest kept eagerly bringing the topic up, it's my fault for not turning back earlier lmao

[@bluejava9397]

“I would have convinced them to stop slavery”, …..then fails to convince Vaush of anything.

[@zking2929]

That's so true, he literally proved Vaush's point

[@DimaRakesah]

"iT wOuLd bE bEtTeR iF tHeRe wAs nO wAr tHo!" Tell that to the people who totally wanted to go to war to keep owning slaves.

[@dirkgently31]

"I Don't Want TO Convince YOU!"🤣

[@benjamina6618]

he acts like he's nonpartisan and doesn't like sides, but this seems like a facade for opening up about his own suspicious views

[@jseden]

Many do this. "But why just assume all Nazis are bad???.. me a Nazi?!?? Of course not! I just wanna have an honest talk.. so have you noticed how overrepresented Jews are in power??"

[@enesaue2192]

“Suspicious” is understatement of the century

[@richardarriaga6271]

His channel needs several cans of sunshine thrown at it from space. Only way to be sure.

[@DimaRakesah]

"Look, I just think we should care about ped0philes as people you know? Also what age of underage girls do you prefer the most, if you could watch them without them knowing through a hidden camera?" YIKES!

[@ratboii7656]

Vaush literally using the Socratic method to test this guy's ideas yet he thinks he's being cornered?? How the hell did he think ge would debate slave owners

[@574882]

People like that get upset when you get them to reveal their true intentions with precise questions. They’re fully aware they have malicious predilections.

[@aqwthetroop]

At first I thought that this guy was politically paralyzed by empathy, but by the end wow this guy is off the rails. The second half could've been quickly over with "these desires are harmful, however the people who have them are victims of their own desires and we need to empathize with their struggles in order to help them find help and maximize the number of people we protect instead of demonizing them and leaving them to their own vices." but no this guy got real invested in this "hypothetical".

[@brentwalker3300]

Well said. He's jus into talking about things without ever taking a stand. He exists totally in his own mind. I can only imagine what his personal relationships are like.

[@jascu4251]

I think we make a mistake when talking about empathy. We describe empathy as kind of a moral thing, but really empathy is a practical thing ie its a simple as being able to imagine how other people might see things. There's nothing inherently moral about this, but it is certainly practical to know how others might see things (and this can be used for good or bad).

[@xuxuang8574]

Yeah, something tells me he has a hardrive filled with "hypothetical" images which the FBI might be very interested in.

[@Morgan-gd5rg]

@@brentwalker3300 destiny did that in his debate with Mrgirl

[@gabiferreira6864]

Yeah he seems to fantasize about these hypotheticals quite a lot

[@MissMarvel_]

When you said it's predatory even if they don't know you're there, he sounded appalled and wanted to argue. He absolutely has CP.

[@milosniffer5293]

That's a very bold claim. It would be very dickish of you to say that without any evidence

[@MissMarvel_]

@@milosniffer5293 The way he sounded aghast and argumentative when Vaush said it's still predatory even if they don't know you're there was enough for me.

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

His central argument is that you can have sexual attraction without being predatory.

[@MissMarvel_]

@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 It's still not normal. It's not a sexuality. The only pedophiles I've known were that way because of their own childhood sexual trauma dementing their idea of sex. For those who didn't experience it, I believe it's a fetish. As a society we culturally fetishize youth in girls.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@MissMarvel_ Wasn't him calling it predatory inconsistent with his views on consequentialism and the RGR - Doe drama though? That is a deontological position despite Vaush being a super hardcore consequentialist. Also his position seems inconsistent with his views on the RGR Doe drama. Based on Vaush believing that to be predatory, surely he should have sided more with RGR on the RGR Doe drama?

[@uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweug6314]

No joke, this guy should be locked up. That last part was genuinely scary.

[@righteousrawb7225]

Calm down

[@dereinzigwahreRahl]

@@righteousrawb7225 I'm interested to know what point your comment served?

[@righteousrawb7225]

@@dereinzigwahreRahl Pretend I'm a broken needle where I have no point.

[@dereinzigwahreRahl]

@@righteousrawb7225 Alright asshole, I will.

[@righteousrawb7225]

@@dereinzigwahreRahl There we go now

[@natethegreatest1000]

I can’t believe Destiny framed this debate as “Vaush invited him on but got scared of his hard hitting questions and left,” kinda doubt he spite watched it all the way through.

[@benny399]

...... But that's literally what happened we both watched the exact same thing 😐

[@natethegreatest1000]

@@benny399 so when the dude asks "what color of children's panties would be most popular," that's not a creepy, completely unproductive question? Dude, are you serious?

[@shrub8644]

Destiny defends this guy?? 🤮

[@benny399]

@@natethegreatest1000 OMG ITS SELF DEPRECATING HUMOR 😩😓😩 It's so blatantly obvious what he was doing but you are so fastidious when it comes to virtue-signaling that all your social awareness is nullified.

[@greatsword6365]

Destiny the kinda guy to debate his wife on why she should be wet when she's not

[@Xkay7]

if voosh doesnt do another debate ever, i'll understand completely. jesus fucking christ.

[@themachine5647]

I am commenting on nearly every reply on this video because I have to, I have to connect with other humans in some way, even if it's just damn KZbin comments, that was too insane and unsettling but also so very, very real. There are plenty of real people like this out there who think they can "awaken" something in you if they find a perfect circumstance to make you imagine yourself in, and if they can "turn" someone else that will alleviate their own guilt or validate their own twisted desires. Beware people who try to push you into deeply specific hypotheticals, they're not doing anything for you or anyone else, it's for themselves. This is how predators manipulate the vulnerable.

[@RealmRabbit]

@@themachine5647 Well, while I'll agree that there is this problem, there ARE times where actual philosophers will question things like the age of consent and use hypotheticals to do it... I think David Archard does it in a book he's done on the philosophy of childhood (which was a class I took recently) and there's a chapter from it titled "Children's Rights to Vote and Sexual Choice"... What we focused on was his arguments for lowering the voting age since that was a big part of the class, but he does go on to discuss his views on the other part of it... I can't be certain that he is in favor of lowering the age of consent, but judging by his favorable views on the voting age being lowered and the part of the text discussing it which my professor crossed out (but it's still readable, though I'm missing quite a lot of it) I think he might be in favor of it... Either way, this IS still something that philosophers question especially given how 18 is a number chosen very arbitrarily... I kind of wonder if Shulamith Firestone would've been in favor of lowered age of consent since she was very against any other sort of restrictions on children I can think of... Perhaps also Toby Rollo? Idk, I can only guess based on their views when it comes to voting and how they arrive at their conclusion... Anyway, I feel like there is the problem though where you have these Amos Yee types of people who will defend those positions and their internal thoughts in doing so are pretty clear just based on how they go about arguing for the positions... It's not really like how people who are JUST interested in it from a philosophical perspective are... Not sure how I'd describe it... I guess it's more like, they try to justify it in a moral way to perhaps reconcile their own feelings about it? Whereas the more philosophy-minded person doesn't really need to reconcile anything about it for themselves... And parsing out which is which can be difficult EXCEPT when they also go making songs about it with those sorts of lyrics as well as comments like that one he made immediately before Vaush hung up on him... I feel like those two things (which a surprising amount of Amos Yee type people do, although idk if Amos Yee did music) are pretty good giveaways as to which category they fit into...

[@mrgoatceo]

@@RealmRabbit idk seems sus dude

[@HeloisGevit]

@@RealmRabbit That's a lot of waffle to bat for pedos, amogus.

[@haiscore2614]

@@themachine5647 Sounds like you are projecting your trauma.

[@ctmdwhub]

Vaush: "I suppose between 14 and 17" other guy: *incredulously* "Well which one? That's a pretty big range there." 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

[@phffffbt]

Which is funny because the argument he made worked in that range.

[@subroy7123]

"....once the novelty wore off...."

[@mr_carlyon]

Have you ever met 17 and 14 year old?

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

Mr. girl is a huge creep, but there is a developmental difference between 14 and 17 year olds.

[@nickv1212]

@@JoeDirtisawsome Not when it comes to consent. Heck, 19 is probably too young.

[@blueyellowandgreen]

I don't see how deeply empathisizing with pedophiles would make the world better. Like we all think they should get help but we're not gonna allow or forgive the abuse.

[@rainemccandless8160]

The more he talked, especially towards the end, the more defensive and anxious my body became because of my past experience with being groomed and worse.

[@MylesMarrero]

"This event in history didn't go well" "Well how would you have made it go better?" "See here you are again trying to talk me into a corner" What the fuck is this guy on

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Yeah, he literally started by *putting himself* in the corner of "this event in history didn't go well."

[@LexDicksonEverything]

post-nutting to CP, I'm guessing. Holy shiiiiiit.

[@boldandbrash8431]

He just doesn't make his points very well

[@illsaveus]

His POV blames the north by default INSTEAD of the south. Instead of saying “oh boy going to war was a bad idea” he could say “oh boy the south should not secede from the US to defend slavery”. But instead he empathizes with the slaver owners and not the slaves.

[@MylesMarrero]

@@illsaveus And quite tellingly as well, he is far more concerned with empathizing with pedophiles rather than the victims of pedophilia.

[@martindorn3983]

Oh god this is the one where he debated an average run-of-the-mill libertarian

[@MegamagRC]

Least controversial libertarian

[@twinknecrosis]

least pedophilic libertarian

[@zach1up997]

Strawman.

[@HeloisGevit]

@@zach1up997 Nah it holds up.

[@janefkrbtt]

@@zach1up997 yeah this guy is a breathing, walking, talking strawman

[@benjamina6618]

he defines centrism as basing opinions on personal values and beliefs if this is true, his refusal to condemn Nazis and pedophiles indicates some unsettling things

[@thanatos2980]

"Im not comfortable saying fk nazis" people really do eat lead paint growing up I swear

[@nothingtoseehere8865]

Gives me serious “enlightened centrist” vibes

[@girlwithaguitar24]

As horrendous as this "debate" was, I think keeping it up with proper context is good. This shows categorically that radical centrism, civility politics and whataboutism can be used to hide some absolutely horrific takes, and how to spot them.

[@LimeyLassen]

You're right.

[@artbysarf]

It’s really revealing and necessary to see shit like this bc Jesus

[@SA-mo3hq]

The mention of Cuties at the start was some s-tier foreshadowing.

[@nicolaim4275]

Radical centrism can be a form of authoritarianism. Authoritarians often want a set of socially acceptable norms that they can act within because they lack other means of distinguishing right from wrong. Centrism provides an alternative to having an autocrat when you're living in a pluralistic society.

[@rotary7372]

That is true of everything. I hide anything anywhere. Throwing that at other parties is just to cover for yours.

[@alexspear2145]

This guy should be a case study in the reality that civility politics is just nonsense... He has single-handedly demonstrated that you can say the worst things while maintaining that air of "civility"

[@Spectra651]

Last week I watched Sydney Watson smile and tell known Nazi, Nick Fuentes, "I have to say you've been very civil, you're very polite," not five minutes after he told her that, in his ideal society, all her rights would be stripped from her, and we'd treat women much the same way they do in Afghanistan. Civility politics is indeed a potent and deadly mind poison.

[@Xeridanus]

@@Spectra651 I have to know since we share a home country, what did Sydney think of that idea?

[@heavysystemsinc.]

Agreed. Civility is disagreeing on methods of implementing a policy that all sides agree on is the way forward. There's no need for civility when one side is actively promoting racist, bigoted or economically harmful policies. There's no need to be nice to someone holding fascist views, especially if they're doing it with malice. You can sometimes make an argument that some folks just don't know their position is harmful and those folks need to be talked down off that ledge, but that doesn't include folks like Trump or most of the GOP. They know what they're doing and are happy to promote garbage politics and deserve no civility. I don't really care how much they try to tone police to try and look like they aren't.

[@haiscore2614]

@@Spectra651 Fuentes isn't a Nazi. You can say he's a fascist but he is definitely not a Nazi.

[@aw2031zap]

@@heavysystemsinc. The problem is much of america (especially boomers) torpedo candidates that aren't "civil" to a disgusting degree, especially on the left.

[@fusionspace175]

54:01 "Is it even predatory to go look at them? The girls don't know you're looking at them." SUS. SUS. SUS. MEGAFUCKING SUS. I have the worst feeling that out that guy's window there's a park visible with a playground, and he's invested in high quality binoculars.

[@SageSea1]

Prey often doesn’t know it’s being sighted by predators. The guy sounded decently rehearsed up to this point. Then I was cringing to where my face should’ve been sucking on a lemon.

[@DimaRakesah]

I bet he would be furious if he found out he was being filmed in a way he didn't like, even if he was unaware at the time.

[@Gill_consumes]

Jesus christ that ending line made my skin crawl, it was bad before, but that line, the tone, the casualness of it all, genuinely made me sick to my stomach

[@MajorTom106]

This is the worst thing I've ever seen. I can't believe how bad Vaush is at Metroid Prime.

[@Kidomaru222]

To be fair, he's playing Metroid Prime while a fucking p*dophile whispers in his ears.

[@LimeyLassen]

@@Kidomaru222 New speedrun category?

[@ativaadzem566]

Had me in the first half😂

[@bfc9467]

I thought he was playing a pinball arcade game

[@alexandredesouza3692]

@@Kidomaru222 That's how I used to play it when I was a kid. GIT GUD

[@ivbyse]

"Now, freeing the slaves didn't go that well." "I think there are statistical and legitimate reasons to hate black people and jews." This was like watching a man desperately looking for the worst takes possible while a man desperately tries to save him from himself.

[@666kittycat666]

Just wait until he starts talking about spying on children.

[@bdorage]

Freeing the slaves didn't go well at all, it was resolved via a fucking war. If you remove the "statistical" in the 2nd quote I agree, if someone is constantly having negative or violent experiences with black people that person has a legitimate reason to hate black people, this is built into every human. If you get stung by bees every time you go near one, do you still love bees and think they are friendly, or do you just swat them on sight?

[@the25centman]

Well, the “freeing of slaves” didn’t actually go that well. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t break all the chains and let everyone go free, it only allowed the slaves that escaped capture and servitude to not be sold back after the fact. A later amendment to the constitution would dissolve slavery in the typical sense we currently view it as, but as a response, the South created prison laws that just created slavery again with extra steps.

[@Lastrit_JME]

@@bdorage Even if your only interactions with black people were negative in your personal life, that would not be a legitimate reason to hate a race of people. You can say it's a natural reaction, but it's not legitimate, it's not justified.

[@bdorage]

@@Lastrit_JME Of course it is, would it be justified for that person to harm black people? No. But it is justifiable to hate black people given certain circumstances. It is justifiable hating white people too, it's justifiable for anything to be hated given circumstances.

[@que3no085]

There were 2 extremely uncomfortable moments The moment he suddenly out of nowhere called Vaush "motherfucker !" After his calm voice And at the end when he asked for colour of their panties ??? WTF this was actually uncomfortable

[@MouseTheGoblin]

When he mentioned his Cuties review you could see vaush just mentally click into place exactly who he was

[@Acidpunk101]

This is mad. Every time Vaush asks him to say specifically what his approach would be he goes into a defensive rant about being put in a box. He has no concept of the real world outside his abstract "everything should be perfect or its morally bad" framework. What in the hell has broken this guys brain? Edit: Ok I just got to the part where he tries to "thought experiment" child exploitation and argue theres no harm. What in the everloving f*ck...

[@CynicalBastard]

The internet. The pedagogy of the damned. Too much information for people to even extrapolate from properly, without a lot of strenuous effort: and then, this guy is like...he's clearly got real issues, and therefore, he is putting a and b together: information, lots of it, and then as someone else in the comments said, reaction formation. Oof.

[@xuxuang8574]

And suddenly it becomes clear why he didn't want to get specific to avoid getting put in a box. That's just a way of saying he doesn't want to be labelled as what he is, because he fears the consequences of his ideas, but wants to have them and act on them free of social repercussions.

[@davidpaul6290]

There’s a reason people reported his Cuties video. They weren’t false allegations.

[@Needler13]

The internet is clearly this person's whole life. Probably /pol/ or some shit

[@mechanomics2649]

To be fair, he didn't need any of Vaush's help being put in a box. This guy leapt into the box himself.

[@flygawnebardoflight]

How is vaush clipped out of context so much when this guy literally exists

[@chococat3972]

LMAO

[@yoshi_drinks_tea]

Same reason more lefties get banned on twitter (also way quicker) than literal fascists

[@wixxed]

@@yoshi_drinks_tea what do you think fascist means

[@donaldmack2307]

@Aditya Chavarkar So basically... the left.

[@mattmcgourty7971]

@@donaldmack2307 cringe

[@TheEmmiso]

As a woman who has been a prostitute and suffer greatly from how my mind was hurt and destroyed by men as a young adult at a period when I should have been safely exploring and developing my sexuality and relationship with men, I feel that you handled the conversation greatly in the last part. You did well in ending it at the point you did even though it could have ended earlier as it got very uncomfortable for me much sooner and it really hurt my soul to listen to the last minutes. Most times I do not like men discussing what they think is okay or not regarding womens issues as they have not experienced it, but the way you handled the conversation and the points you brought up to this hurtful and sick individual made me feel safe and as though you regarded me as a human, at least in this conversation. So i feel happy about that, because it is rarer than you might think. Because of what I have been through I am still hurt by and scared of men, I am scared because I have seen so many seemingly normal men hold these kinds of thoughts, thoughts lead to action, mindsets lead to action, they are hurtful and it is not a safe space for women on a channel where meaningless thought experiences on the predation on women are discussed, so thank you for making this a safe space for me. And please do not have this person on your channel anymore.

[@DodgeDart]

As a transwomen I think it is important to have these convos so we can know what to look out for. If we don’t talk about this then we won’t know- and thus we are more likely to be dictums of predators like Mr.Girl. Also sorry for young adults experiences with predatory behavior. 🙏🏾

[@spanty7137]

If someone has these feelings, what do you want them to do? You can't just tell people to stop thinking those thoughts..

[@spanty7137]

@@DodgeDart someone being painfully open about how they feel is a predator? You would make the worst predator if this is how you truly think. Hint for being a predator, lie to people about how you feel.

[@Lavender_enjoyer]

@@spanty7137 uhhhh, dude..

[@spanty7137]

@@Lavender_enjoyer ?

[@FreeShadow05]

He's got empathy confused with enabling

[@thevaleofthesoil744]

yep

[@therideneverends1697]

Dear god that got bad "Do you think possession of CP should be a crime?" "Yes" *goes silent*, "uh, lets change the question"

[@julianjanssen5499]

Maybe he was hoping for Vaush to agree with his pro-CP stance...

[@samham4461]

Timestamp?

[@TheFatPunisher]

That's not how it was stated.

[@frags4679]

@@samham446141:27

[@Di66en6ion]

His change in demeanor at the end is the biggest red flag. The facade he put up is the truly sinister part, regardless of whether he's a troll. Very strong sociopathy vibes.

[@KairoStark]

I mean... YEAH. He jumped from 0 to angry in a matter of miliseconds out of nowhere once he realized he was showing his true colors. It was very much a supervillain move. This dude is a potential threat to kids.

[@Di66en6ion]

@@KairoStark I was truly surprised that almost no actual content of how to address recidivism and other actual practical issues of pedophiles and reducing crimes against children through things like education and accountability processes. It was just these weird "edge" cases that he was desperately trying to prove to himself and others that it could be a valid orientation under some weird simulated what-if scenarios.

[@KairoStark]

@@Di66en6ion You cant ask practicality or statistics to these people. They just wanna try and sell a pity party in case they get found.

[@beansnrice321]

@@zinestheticluminescence Demented but also predicted.

[@REDDAWNproject]

@JarJarbanks saying this in a vaush comment section is fucking hilarious.

[@Montewtf]

I've seen a lot of debates with vile people. This is the first one that made me genuinely uncomfortable

[@Montewtf]

well i came back to this video and saw my own comment so lets see if it still makes me uncomfortable

[@_chew_]

@@Montewtf Does it still make you uncomfortable?

[@Montewtf]

@@_chew_ yes very!

[@_chew_]

@@Montewtf same tbh

[@cooky2991]

As a German, it is always a bit of a weird feeling to have people talk about Nazis. I fucking hate Naziism. Originally Nazis were a product of their time and the propaganda and a barge of different shitty things all crashing together. Nowadays they are a product of desperation, misunderstanding and the wrong influences at the worst time. I hate that their ideologies existed and keep existing because they hurt people, including themselves. I wish it had never existed but I'm not naive enough to think that anyone could have meaningfully prevented the rise of fascism in Germany. I care for them because they are hurt and lashing out in one of the worst ways because some pieces of shit influenced them toward hatred instead of getting a fucking therapist. I have empathy for them as human beings that went down a shitty path, but that doesn't mean that I can't hate what they do and say.

[@arcanefire7511]

W

[@NOlR_Deco]

Very well said.

[@tradbimbo]

I feel like had this continued on, this man would have admitted to crime.

[@boomplosion3807]

Vaush or Mr.girl?

[@terminallyonlinezillennial]

Mrgirl already has in another video...

[@WiloPolis03]

Let's say, hypothetically, for the sake of the argument, a man _wanted_ you to kiII him and hide the evidence

[@l9o6p7a3k4a]

@@terminallyonlinezillennial which video I’m curious

[@raz0rcarich99]

His response video disproves this theory.

[@ezlo90]

The way he was thinking about the 14 to 16 year old girls when answering Vash was pretty creepy. It made my skin crawl.

[@luisg.lazzarisdoamaral3016]

Holy shit. The second this guy showed up on screen I was like "is that the cuties guy? Nah, no chance" and it fucking was

[@DubbleM900]

And he was getting on Vaush for saying "14 to 17." Dude's own answer was "14 to 16"

[@KARKAT420]

@@luisg.lazzarisdoamaral3016 Hold up I’m dumb should I know this guy? What did he say about Cuties? Do I really want to know?

[@hazelfirestone5154]

@@KARKAT420 he basically made a review defending cuties a year ago

[@KARKAT420]

@@hazelfirestone5154 Yup that’s gross.

[@sista363]

Holy shit this guy was about to confess to something when he he said "you know i had a...um..... there's someone I knew....."

[@dreambrush7251]

I'm pretty sure he confessed this somewhere else, he seems to be the type that constantly engages with anyone online

[@GisleAune]

45:57 sounded like a careful confession.

[@miguelmackay4851]

This dude: “ I would have convinced the slave owners to not own slaves and Hitler to not do the holocaust” Vaush: “okay well convince me” This dude: “I dont wanna convince you!”

[@brackishwatr]

i hope that everyone, including vaush, understands this wasn’t a debate…like…being bad faith aside…he just wanted attention, cretins like him live for this.

[@quellonatolibero]

EXACTLY

[@Dreadnaught1985]

Yeah, this was a typical clout grab.

[@triknives]

Yup. He wanted another soap box to stand on. And luckily Vaush did end it, and kept a real eye on the turn of the conversation. I don't always agree with Vaush but he is incredibly smart, and alert to this type of stuff. I actually feel like this guys channel needs to be monitored. You can already hear people who didn't know about him but are like him flocking to that channel. Should NOT be hosted by anyone.

[@nicememes7570]

Vaush is literally doing the "ben Shapiro trying to outsmart the question" but it at least looks rhetorically good because it's a live person who can be backed into corners like "yes I wish I could stop wars where many people died" like seriously he's just trying to have the discussion ffs you just wanna be able to exert violence on an agreed upon group (like nazis) without feeling remorse

[@GhGh-ci8ld]

@@nicememes7570 theres no more to the discussion. we all wish that. hes trying to have a useless conversation. its like critiquing a painting by saying its bad and couldve been done better. that means nothing to the artist without a description of what was done badly and HOW it couldve been done better which he didnt want to give a direct answer to.

[@binkusbonkus]

the fact he speaks so well and yet is so horrible is truly uncanny and very uncomfortable

[@quellonatolibero]

Honestly it was a mistake even giving him a platform.

[@wile123456]

Perfect example of the "intelligence isn't the problem, lack of moral character is" that vaush talks about.

[@MrAJPW]

@@Ass_of_Amalek Agree, he sounds like he's pausing to come up with an edgy opinion on the spot.

[@yellowbeard1]

@@Ass_of_Amalek I think Alice means that his pitch and tone seems so calm and relaxing. If you are only listening to his voice and don't understand English then it could sound soothing.

[@Soliy87]

Liike listening to a sex predator trying to groom someone

[@Ristofec]

This dude genuinely gave me the creeps. Down through my spine. Something is going on with this guy, and I really hope the fbi is watching

[@mshoney9301]

I feel sick, the last part gave me chills, this person is dangerous

[@DingusMcBrungus]

This dude's got that "I could easily fistfight 12 bears and win" energy

[@DingusMcBrungus]

Wow just saw the rest of it, it's more like "lock this dude the f*ck up for the rest of his life" energy

[@mroctober3583]

Uncle Rico energy: "Bet i could throw this football clear over them mountains ⛰" 🤣

[@mickeyrube6623]

I was seriously getting cult leader vibes from him. Jim Jones style. He said he could go back in time and convince the Nazis not to do the Holocaust...by being nice to them. What a psycho.

[@Houseballey]

nah, he'd be like "i could easily ask 12 bears why aren't we getting along and try to understand them so hard"

[@taliaeategg2027]

I had that energy in mania

[@eyeguyart8685]

Holy shit I cannot believe how this ended. This was psychotic. Did Mr. Girl think he was being funny??? I am genuinely worried for the health of this guy, what the fuck is going on

[@suspended_top_spin]

I'm more worried for the health of those around him. Minors in particular.

[@mrbanks456]

Too funny?

[@eyeguyart8685]

@@mrbanks456 what????

[@Subgenrelol]

Pretty sure it was a joke

[@ryanbellatorkingp4p1ranked53]

He's a reddit troll whose desperate for attention

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Bro has a literal Messiah complex, thinking he could convince nazis to chill out if he were a time traveller

[@nichl474]

You can tell from his tone of voice that something is wrong already. It's unnaturally calm beyond what is normal, it was clear this debate was going to end in insanity from the start

[@timothyspeaks260]

I'm 17 minutes in, and this man also believes you can talk people out of being trans. I watched his video with Destiny, he has a massive ego bc he talked his partner out of using gender neutral pronouns.

[@danic2514]

I’m sad for his partner

[@Angela1111122222]

W h a t, oh what a poor human

[@Ynwell_theslaaneshi]

Yeah it’s the feel I got when he talked about the civil war, like sure death isn’t good in any way, but what else could happen?

[@AngelofEresos]

@@Ynwell_theslaaneshi Well it's not _intrinsically_ good, but it can be good in preventing harm, depending. Same way that, as he seemingly fails to understand, compassion can be corrupted. Or maybe he actually wants to corrupt compassion. I dunno, his shit got hard sussy at the end there.

[@Ynwell_theslaaneshi]

@@AngelofEresos as I said, death in itself is bad, but it was inevitable to end slavery in the Us, because the south didn’t want to agree. I don’t say that compassion is bad or good, I’d say it’s good, but saying that there could be another way to end slavery, is very weird.

[@Frankthegb]

“You think there’s a problem pushing someone towards anti-racism?” “Yeah…” You should have just ended it right there holy shit dude

[@soccerruben1]

I think Vaush would have ended the debate when Mr. Girl said “and that’s why pedophilia is so atttactive to me”. I wished Mr. Girl’s YT channel remained banned, because he might be a danger to children.

[@purplepumpkin3772]

The guy is not just off... something is very wrong with him.

[@henen6711]

Yes we should always just end conversations the moment something controversial is said. You operate on a low frequency, if I woke up as you tommorow I would violently take my own life.

[@Frankthegb]

@@henen6711 that sounds like a you problem buddy 👍

[@mechanomics2649]

@@henen6711 Imagine being this triggered by such a an innocuous statement lmfao

[@biscuitapocalypse5883]

"The civil war was bad because people died. I would rather slavery was ended without war. I'm not prepared to talk about the details, stop trying to corner me."

[@hughquigley5337]

This conversation started off very badly but somehow went downhill from there. I'm struggling to wrap my head around how legendarily awful this was omfg.

[@wellread8649]

I have never in my life witnessed someone build such a strong and profound argument and then absolutely derail it this quick in my life. It's almost art. He started with comparing the rhetoric around BLM, Antifa and Fascists and when Vaush asked him how those are comparable he said we use the same rhetoric that is necessary to enable someone to kill another human. I was starting to dig it and then BAM "that's what I find so attractive about pedophilia." Now this is fucking content.

[@JacoNotorious]

Too bad current Vaush is too careful to ever engage with Mgirl again, who would have thought Vaush would become so vanilla.

[@17joren]

Right? There were a couple parts in the beginning I was kinda with him on, and then hit us with how he thinks it’s justifiable to hate black people and then this line. Like I get it, he’s speaking for other people’s experiences, but holy shit word choice my dude!

[@synlion]

Is everyone oblivious to the fact that ‘pedophilia’ in this case stands for the conversation about it and not the sexual orientation itself?

[@Sotryn_Fox]

@@synlion Of course we're aware. He just worded it in such an awful and red flag raising way that it completely drowns his argument. There were many different ways he could have worded it, maybe in a way that could've taken into account that these people do have a mental disorder that could be helped with treatment if society didn't treat them like horrendous monsters for an attraction they can't control. Thing is, he didn't do that. Not to mention, his fixation on the whole "sovereign society secret strip club" idea and the color of children's underwear thing was disturbing at best and a major self report at worst. Joking-which is probably gonna be his excuse for that-or not, he didn't help his case with it.

[@synlion]

@@Sotryn_Fox He does stand in stark contrast to Vaush I know. To understand him, you have to look past his inflammatory way of phrasing things and look at the argument. Vaush is the exact opposite so I imagine that’s very different gear to shift into. Y I don’t see the issue though. If you know that he is being inflammatory, then what is preventing you from looking past it at what he’s actually saying? Also, yeah of course that was a joke. Vaush was avoiding the topic and wasn’t willing to say so, so MrGirl started trolling. The point about the Strip clubs was simply to figure out what age society finds most attractive.

[@Bnio]

Jesus Christ. For a guy who seemingly advocates empathy he sure lacks it completely when supposing locker room cameras would be hunky-dory, because "they will never know the cameras are there." What a weasel.

[@mistressofstones]

Count down to when this guy is sharing a cell with Amos Yee.

[@moralkombat66]

@@mistressofstones who's that?

[@nonzerovolta2541]

@@moralkombat66 You don't wanna know.

[@moralkombat66]

@@nonzerovolta2541 cmon dude tell me. I need to know who to avoid

[@nonzerovolta2541]

​@@moralkombat66 Well he's already in prison so you don't need to do anything to avoid him. I guess if you really need to know he was arrested for possession of CP.

[@Mike-zx6sl]

why can these guys never resist self-reporting?

[@DogshitArgument]

Who knows, Vaush isn't really known for being afraid of labels tbh.

[@Redwin34]

@@DogshitArgument

[@leifcasanova3097]

@@Redwin34 smart

[@justanothergamer7918]

This guy further reinforces my belief that centrists and libertarians dont allow for any societal advancement. Edit: holy fuck that turned really fucked up really fast. Jesus christ lock this guy up.

[@technologic21]

Vaush maintained great composure and restraint in this otherwise creepy exchange. Vaush handled it like a pro. The guy's defense and rationalization of illegal and aborant behavior was deplorable, and his ideas are indefensible.

[@dustyboi8975]

He managed to avoid any major clips as well. If he had said an actual number towards the end it would have been clipped as him saying that should be the age of consent That segment at the end will still be the part the Nazis try and misconstrue though

[@dyer4677]

So this guy's whole deal was that he "cares for" the worst possible opinions, only vaguely critique progressive social events as "could've been done better" and when you try and get any specifics from him he gets angry and deflects

[@PaxTheDog360]

Diet Dore

[@philwill0123]

Yep, guy running interference for the far right, in terms of "if the North was nicer to the slave owners/west was more polite to Hitler, we would have avoided war, so the blood is on the hands solely of the Libs". As you said, he wants to defend the worst ideas, and its the similar arguament to the right about the "woke". eg "why cant I be openly racist/ why are people complaining, they should be happy im honest. Just dont call me a racist, then I will be offended".

[@tempj]

Oh really?! could you time stamp where he got "angry" and "deflects"

[@bringmethepizza9943]

This sounds like I watched a different video can you elaborate

[@musicf3b]

@@tempj Anger may not be precise, but he was clearly miffed whenever Vaush tried to make him elaborate.

[@Kmhud]

Doesn’t want to convince anyone, spends a whole hour trying to convince Vaush

[@kkounal974]

Hating nazis because they are "the other" and hating nazis because they are hateful are not the same thing.

[@binkusbonkus]

"hate and empathy are mutually exclusive" And this, everybody, is the core of it. He doesn't believe you can empathize with someone you hate, which is such a wild take I really don't know what to say.

[@lordlubu3029]

This video should be shown in schools and studied as the biggest example of projection and self reporting in human history

[@uthmanibn-jafar1159]

You think it's a wild take to say you can't empathize with someone you hate? I agree that's false in a general sense, but hardly a wild take. It's absolutely possible to hate a person or group of people so much that you're no longer capable of empathizing with them. That's pretty common, actually.

[@mh-yw6qw]

@@uthmanibn-jafar1159 yeah, but that’s not the same thing as “hate and empathy are mutually exclusive”

[@uthmanibn-jafar1159]

@@mh-yw6qw That's not what my comment was responding to.

[@RealmRabbit]

The distinction between sympathy and empathy is that empathy takes a step beyond feeling sorry for a person, it involves relating to what they are going through... So technically, the only way you could really hate a Nazi and feel empathy for them is if you've experienced what it is like to be a Nazi or something similar to a Nazi, but have since changed your perspective to now one where you feel sorry for people who've fallen into that sort of ideology, but you also hate them as agents of that ideology... That's how I'd make sense of it anyway... I wouldn't say they're "mutually exclusive", but I also wouldn't say that it's possible without having been a Nazi or something similar technically, unless we went to using the word sympathy instead... This is why you shouldn't just rely on a thesaurus btw without a dictionary... Just because a word is synonymous with another does not mean it is interchangeable (and the context can change whether or not some words can be used interchangeably in a given place...) Love and worship I think are synonymous for example, and in some contexts they can be used in the same space to convey a similar idea fine, but in some contexts they are definitely not very interchangeable... One does not worship mother like one loves God... Unless the mother is a cult leader or something I guess...

[@Camio_Lotus]

That last bit of the stream was almost 100% the embodiment of a murderer getting off on the authorities asking him questions regarding the victims they don't know he killed, this guy need to be searched ASAP

[@Karen_Marie]

As cringe as his arguments were, there was a point he was making that is worth further consideration. His "strip club in a lawless society" analogy was just asking the very legitimate question: "what age female are the majority of American men most physically attracted to, if social and/or legal reprocussions do not influence choice?" Before I heard either of their answers I guessed 15, Vaush said somewhere between 14 and 17, the other guy said 15 or 16. I don't think we can say that the majority of American men are pedophiles or sexual predators even if we acknowledge this attraction. So what's going on? Their conversation never made it that far because Mr. Girl or whatever was super weird about it. But this is a conversation worth having, preferably with an individual who doesn't already have a reputation as a pedo, and is having the discussion in good faith.

[@mewntay230]

He's a troll. Look at his channel.

[@JoeMama-ml5zh]

That's identical to the rights reaction to his cuties debacle. Guess you have something in common with the groyper crowd.

[@JoeMama-ml5zh]

@@Karen_Marie lol, vaush was weird about it. That's why mrgirl made the pantie joke. Vaush is acting like a homophobe that loses his shit over gay jokes.

[@Camio_Lotus]

@@JoeMama-ml5zh what? Yeah you're trolling

[@Blank_Dude2]

"I saw cuties and I just had to dive in" Pause "Please don't clip that." Edit: Bro what the absolute fuck

[@KingM1023]

I would say calling yourself a "care bear" is a red flag, but that would be a single drop in the ocean of flags that is this conversation