This board bricked itself... can I fix it?

[@69Dartman]

Back in ancient times I had a decent little cheap board that I bricked when the firmware update went bad. My buddy had another one just like it so we swapped the bios chip into my dead board and it booted so I updated the firmware and it went fine. I then left it in ready to update mode, pulled the updated chip, put my bricked one in very carefully, and told it to update again. The old chip took the update and the board booted fine and ran great for a long time. Desperate times call for desperate measures, especially if you already have a identical board to swap with and want to take a chance. It saved me from having to swap all my installed gear onto the new board and he got to keep the donor board for something else.

[@awilliams1701]

back in DIP times. But I don't think these boards have a removable chip. Certainly not a DIP chip, but DIP isn't the only removable kind. Maybe they should. It could make RMAs drop a lot. lol

[@phydeux]

It was a lot easier, not to mention safer, to borrow a friend's BIOS chip and send yours off to be reflashed professionally.

[@nukez88]

Well yeah back in the day that was possible, but these days the bios is soldiered on the board. Tbh honest I wouldn't mind him making a video about sending the board to NorthridgeFix to see if he can swap the bios and fix the board. Why make E-waste if it can be repairable.

[@getyerspn]

Me too dude I've hot swapped many a bios chip in my previous jobs...I've saved many motherboards at HP ...till surface mount bios chips became a thing ....even then you can use chip clips but it's a pita. Bios flashback nowadays is a god send most of the time.

[@TheButtzaeu]

@@phydeux i can imagine how that "professional flash" was basically a guy on a shop doing the same XD

[@Adamant_IT]

Hey Jay! I've also had a mobo completely fall over with a BIOS Flashback, considering it's supposed to be the saving grace, it's far from perfect. You can still save this board by manually programming the SPI Flash ROM (the BIOS chip), but it will need a programmer and appropriate SPI cables. I'd do it for you for free, but I'm in the UK. Still, standing offer, just in case that's no big deal for you. There's doubtless a lot of people in the US repair community who can do it as well. Stay cool!

[@OnTheRocks71]

Adamant/Jay Cross-Pond Collaboration. aww yeah.

[@skyhigh24]

SPI Flash was also my thought. i´d love to see this happen more often instead of throwing the Hardware into the Bin.

[@StolenJoker84]

This was the main reason I purchased a Pi and SPI cables/clip. Unfortunately, the one MB that I had that needed a BIOS recovery (MSI, and same exact problem) had a BIOS chip that my clip couldn’t connect to. Wound up replacing it with an ASUS board, since MSIs warranty is garbage.

[@pixels_per_inch]

I'm still surprised, Asus has a backup BIOS in case everything fails. Wonder why it's not activating on this board. Maybe he could try another USB stick. Worse case scenario, Jay could send it to Asus to re-flash the chip.

[@StolenJoker84]

@@pixels_per_inch I thought only certain boards had dual BIOS capabilities?

[@DarkCrow02]

Given Jay's luck so far, my bets are on the cricket.

[@youkofoxy]

Honestly, he is too lucky with his soldering. Last time I saw him do electronic solder made me feel physical pain.

[@whusmanameAtGeeMail]

@@youkofoxy Maybe he should hunt the cricket with the soldering iron, then...

[@whusmanameAtGeeMail]

Knowing crickets, my money's on the cricket for sure! Doesn't matter who it's up against.

[@fred_derf]

The thing to know about crickets, it has cricket friends…

[@GoGoErrek]

Srsly is the motor computer build dead or just Post-Maloned?

[@Aaron_Lesse]

For my first PC build, I purchased an ASUS ROG Strix B550-A Gaming motherboard and installed a Ryzen 5 5600x CPU. I watched a ton of tutorials, then formatted an old 8GB flash drive to FAT32 and downloaded the latest ASUS BIOS for that board from the ASUS website. Updating through the BIOS flashback option, I held my breath through the whole process. It worked!

[@extremegamerboy1523]

Hi man I have the same board with the ryzen 75800x Board is showing boot issue and vga

[@CrackerSmith]

Jay please make sure the USB drives are compatible with the board. My experience with older boards and flashback was that I needed a USB2 drive formatted as FAT32. Otherwise it would flash but not complete the flashback process. Not sure if this has changed with newer motherboards, but I wouldn't be surprised by the FAT32 formatting requirement.

[@danielparks9035]

Was gonna say I've done bios flashback on multiple boards and multiple brands and had no problem. But I always looked up directions to make sure I was doing it exactly right. Who knows, maybe he did everything right and it still didn't work. We may never know.

[@pacee21]

also make sure its a less than 4gb stick and also either a brand new stick that has never been formatted before or there are some guides on how to totally clear an existing stick that had previous information on it via command prompt. I had a devil of a time getting a MSI board to work with the flashback method.

[@aaardvaaark]

@@pacee21 I've had trouble with MSI flashback also. Would accept one BIOS revision but not another. Maybe I should've tried another USB drive.

[@Ryan-re1rs]

@@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 I hear alot about usb2 only. So thats what i did and didn't have any issues.

[@Ryan-re1rs]

@@pacee21 I'm not sure if it was 4. But they said once you go too high gb the way it stores info changes and causes issues with the bios flash. I think that's what remember reading.

[@zebby]

I love these "can I fix it" videos because I learn a lot about how stuff works and what to do if it doesn't work for some reason! Plus, the sleuthing and d*cking around trying to find out what happened is always fun to watch!

[@edantas]

The motherboard be like: how many times do I need to teach you this lesson, old man?

[@theplayerofus319]

Hahahha

[@yugoprowers]

LOL old man.... Hey wait I'm only a few months behind Jay 😠

[@theplayerofus319]

@@yugoprowers well.. hows gonna tell him boys

[@fynkozari9271]

So who won the competition jayz v cricket at the end?

[@board2death]

All of October you should try to bring things back to life that you’ve killed throughout the year

[@scarletspidernz]

Final episode make a Jayken Monster of dead parts

[@Richard_H]

Its alive !!!

[@chriskwakernaat2328]

brictober

[@Brennan0914]

'Night of the Undead Computers!'

[@chrisharford2949]

I'm sure it's a hell of a lot of work but I'm loving my daily dose of Jay. You keep doing you man love the vids.

[@lynns0802]

This is the reason why dual bios needs to be a thing for all motherboards not just the high end ones. Bricked BIOS no worries swap over to the secondary bios and salvage the borked one

[@nikodemradomski1782]

My x399 sli plus doesn't even have it

[@ayuchanayuko]

It might be a gigabyte-patented thing

[@nikodemradomski1782]

@@ayuchanayuko nope, got a few lga755 asus mobos with dual (dip) bios

[@lynns0802]

@@ayuchanayuko definitely not a patent issue plenty of High End XOC mobos use a dual bios, Asus' crosshair line usually has dual bios. The issue is manufactures see it as a premium feature reserved for the top of their product stack which I understand given that 9.5/10 people will probably never have a need for it. But IMO is its one of those features most people dont even look at when purchasing a board except when they need it they wish they had it.

[@caitlinomalley80]

tbh, there are tons of high end mobos that do not have dual bios, and plenty of low and mid range boards that do.

[@Michael_mki233]

It always amazes me how people can have such wildly different experiences with hardware. I've used ASUS's BIOS Flashback feature to fix what I thought was a bricked Z87 board, and updated the BIOS on a Z97 and 2 different Z490 boards with no issues what-so-ever. Having said that, I've never attempted it with only the 24-pin connected and no CPU/RAM. Never been brave enough to, and likely never will. Especially after seeing this.

[@ACOnetwork]

You know, it is different. May be USB flash drive not accepted by mobo or buggy flashback "thingie" 😂🤣 (yep I needed to say that 😁) or whatever. Sadly I did not have chance to deal with newer hw than 3. gen intel 🙄 (Asus rog 6th gen laptop excluded🤔), but okay, will get there someday.

[@keithmyers2170]

I used BIOS Flashback dozens of times on ASUS boards, bareboard and with a cpu installed and it has always worked. Never had to repeat the process once. I appreciate the boards that have a replaceable EPPROM BIOS or BMC chip like my server boards also. Foolproof method to just swap chips.

[@Cinnabuns2009]

I've done 3 boards so far with nothing installed, just 24pin and it worked fine though they were not Asus boards.

[@Masoody]

So I have asus xii mother board but I had a 11th gen intel cpu I tried to build it and it didn’t work! It didn’t even shown the bio on my screen! So I researched and I found out that the motherboard supports only 10th gen 🤡😂👍 so I was wondering if does it have to do anything with the motherboard or the cpu not being compatible with motherboard?? Note: I bought the motherboard on Amazon 😅 but the cpu is from a prebuilt! Please help 🙏

[@Michael_mki233]

@@Masoody It will support 11th Gen with a BIOS update. But as Jay showed, flashing the BIOS without a compatible CPU installed may or may not work. My best suggestion? Try to find a cheap, used 10th Gen i3, or maybe ask a friend if they have a 10th Gen CPU you can use long enough to update the BIOS?

[@FullMetalFox2]

Ive once read a rant from an ASUS employee about BIOS Flashback, the times he had to tell people to watch out if its a USB 3 capable port and to use FAT32, single partition, standard formating (Not quick), non-security lock and/or state LED USB stick made him want to strangle certain users and KZbinrs. Your name was among the list XD

[@hobmarg]

Haha is it Raja? Or JJ?

[@FullMetalFox2]

​@@hobmarg Raja XD I mean it was a polite rant, but still a rant.

[@kibabyte]

Any chance you got a link to it?

[@skylarkblue1]

If the feature requires all those very specific things to make it work though, that's a massive flaw. Obviously all of that isn't very well communicated and if it requires those things and only those things to work else it'll brick an entire piece of hardware.... That's just terrible.

[@FullMetalFox2]

@@skylarkblue1 To be fair, many of those requirements make sense to me, especially the File System and direct USB Interface (No Lock etc). I work for a company working with physical and online medical congresses, and the amount of times ive seen my PCs download some driver for some doctors fancy USB sticks makes me bet a BIOS Flashback system would have an issue with those. But yeah ASUS could communicate that better on their Guide for example, it only mentions FAT16/32 single partition as well as the USB2 vs 3 port part IIRC.

[@TheDeadStyx]

By this day, updating BIOS is the most intimidating thing for me to do (close second to watercooling, but I'm new at it). First there was MSI's "LiveUpdate", which had a GREAT idea of updating the bios right from the OS (killed my z97 mobo the instant I decided to give that thing a try... took me few weeks to recover). Then there was Gigabyte's "dual bios" with a main corrupted bios - dies in the middle of the reflash, recovers, then starts to behave crazy (my pc turned on itself somewhere near 4 am while I was sleeping. Then turned off. At that point I thought I was dreaming. NOPE. Turned on again in a few minutes...).

[@awilliams1701]

My Ryzen 5900x is my first watercooled build ever. I've been building computers for 25 years. The BIOS update is STILL FAR more terrifying than anything else. The water cooling didn't scare me at all. LMAO

[@phydeux]

I must be lucky as hell. 25+ years in IT and literally thousands of BIOS flashes in a corporate setting, albeit nearly all Dells, and not a one has gone sideways on me.

[@kukelkan]

@@phydeux I've done maybe 100-150 bios updates idk , but a few did brick the boards, I have an intel h67 board, I updated the bios to support 22nm , it said update successful , rebooted and never posted again.. sucks.

[@tehshadowy]

then again i have updated 2 different MSI mobos from live update and they worked fine :D Z87 and Z270. Hardware can be bitch sometimes

[@rdb6677]

thats crazy to me, I just built my first PC this year and flashed my bios 3 times, to accept my ryzen 5800x then because after 3 months I would not get post so I flashed it twice but the problem was my ram was dead

[@namelessone5968]

the cricket smirking at Jay... watching at his failed attempts in fixing the board... at the end it lets out an evil laugh as it heads out into the wilderness...fully satisfied.

[@Graphics_Card]

The streak of videos in one week is absolutely staggering. Let’s appreciate the effort that goes into these videos.

[@rodrigomachado7651]

Jay likes to push his limits

[@keithmyers2170]

Good technique before BIOS Flashbacking is to clear the CMOS by removing the battery and hold the BIOS clear or short the BIOS CLR pads on the motherboard for 30 seconds. THEN, apply the BIOS Flashback. Avoids the halfway flash.

[@mtgcardzandreview2756]

Word is Jay's still looking for the cricket both at the shop, his house and in his dreams.

[@wallabysandman1149]

I snickered all day thinking about this

[@unlimitedbitsgaming]

🤣 "SON OF A *BISCUIT!*" I love how Phil censors.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Certainly made my day :)

[@PoppaCYS]

Interesting. I bought a Gigabyte B550i motherboard that required a bios update prior to installing a Ryzen 5600X. It's bios flashback feature worked poorly and bricked the board. I returned it and got the ASUS B550i motherboard, and its feature worked great the first time. I thought it was a Gigabyte issue, but I guess these bios flashback features are unreliable with ASUS also.

[@Mr.Morden]

I successfully used Gigabyte's Q-flash plus feature (same as Asus bios flashback) to update my Gigabyte B550M AORUS PRO to support a 5600X without any trouble. Nothing plugged into the board except the 24pin and 8pin power. Although I had not previously used the board, it was brand new and unused when I did it. Perhaps these board companies are failing to mention that users need to remove the CMOS battery for 10 minutes before flashing to be sure the BIOS fully resets to defaults???

[@marijn2830]

Same thing happened to me with an MSI b550 board. Guess it's just a great big lottery with expensive lots.

[@sedixmrboss5625]

I never had issues with Gigabytes Flashback... But with Asus yes. How the fu**

[@BruhMan_5]

Same thing happened with my ASUS B550i. Currently on the 2nd RMA of a brand new board hoping the finally fixed it.

[@filds1]

I think i depends on the board. I seen alot of people flashing b450 tomahawk non max with a bios flashback and had no problems, while some people couldnt get it working they either had to install a supported cpu or return the board

[@stophammertimestable]

Using USB 2 ?? I flashed a mobo with an USB 3 stick and it went wrong. Nothing worked. Then my collegue said, using USB 2?? I said ermm no. Lets try it again with an USB 2 stick. And voila...Mobo works like a charm.

[@Arokhantos]

usually it flashes rapidly when it flashes the bios on asus board JayzTwoCents, heck i am pretty sure the bios never flashes and your board just has a 1 out of 100th chance to boot.

[@TheRealDavil]

I've had the opposite experience with bios flashback. It's actually saved me a couple times. I updated a bios that actually caused a bunch of problems on a b550 board and I couldn't downgrade any other way. So I put my usb in with the right cap file and hit the button and waited. It took a really really long time both times I did it, but it did in fact work.

[@qwertyholistic3602]

How long does it take?

[@mattdillion4999]

I like how Jay plugs power in and then just handles the mother board as if it's made out rubber .

[@svingarm9283]

just NOT the way how to do it

[@awilliams1701]

LMAO yeah I was cringing too, but then again it's already bricked so.........yeah. lol

[@Tuntuneco]

Asus in its instructions, recommend to update the ME engine before updating the bios via bios flashback

[@celery4564]

I've had the opposite. Had 2 boards brick using the standard method of updating the BIOS as the boards didn't have BIOS Flashback. Never had a problem with boards that do have BIOS Flashback.

[@Necropheliac]

It’s pretty irritating that ASUS touts this feature on their motherboard line while they’re probably very aware how buggy it is because they know how many boards get RMA’d because of it . They’re just banking on the fact that it gets used very rarely so most people will buy the mobo because it has all these features but few of them will try to use that particular button. Don’t get me wrong, I love ASUS’ stuff, but all of these pc manufacturers do some dirty ass shit.

[@sjftech]

I had to do this with my Asus B550 board, as it shipped with a bios that wouldn't post with my 5800x and it worked fine. Had me freaking out at the time but it did the job.

[@theiceburge8620]

Jay, i had a Gigabyte board do this to me before with a 4790K, but instead the lights stayed off on the onboard power button and motherboard no matter how many times i unplugged and replugged the power supply. I even cleared bios or attempted to with the clear button. I fought with this for about a week. It wouldnt see power just like your daughters board. I unplugged the power and ended up popping the battery out of the board and left it out for a couple hours, and when i popped it back in and plugged it up the lights kicked on and i was able to give it power again. I didnt see or hear you talking about the battery at all, i wanted to see if that was a possibility on a fix. I think my cmos or bios had an option change itself to a value that caused the board to soft brick while i was away from it one day, and popping the battery with no power did the trick. And with asus having another eprom for the lighting, this could be your very issue, a messed up option that cant be cleared with a shorted pin. Its something to try if you havent tried it already off camera or in your other video

[@PatsTechReview]

Glad to see the daily content! Love the troubleshooting stuff!

[@javierc004]

For those that have almost the same problem as Jay: 1. Make sure the bios flashback button isn't being pressed by the I/O shield (technically only for the ones that have the removable I/O shield) that's what happened to my Asus ROG B550-i, the I/O shield cutout for the bios flashback button was not aligned properly, maybe off by the hundredths of a millimeter. (I wasn't the only one with this problem, it caused the bios flashback to be blinking indefinitely and system wouldn't never boot up). I grabbed a screwdriver and just make the hole a tiny bit bigger. 2. USB 2.0 drive works best for flashing, I had a 3.0 drive that wouldn't be used by the flashback, so I got a 2.0 drive and it worked like a charm, and don't forget to use flashback, you need the CPU at least in the motherboard (don't remember if you also need the ram).

[@kasparsberzins4055]

Make sure you do bios flash on a bare boaard because components installed may cause circuit to the board. Read manual.

[@BorrietheBlade]

Very very interesting Jay. I've got 2 Asus MBs, both E-gaming both brands, team blue and red, and I've never had issues with their bios flashback feature. This is really unfortunate for you though so I feel the pain especially since it was for your daughter's PC build. Good luck going forward with it and thanks again for a great video. 👍🍻

[@GregM]

You can desolder the BIOS chip solder it onto a daughter board stick that into a programmer and program it with the bios file from the manufacturer's website. There are clips for these programmers that clip on the BIOS chips to eliminate the desoldering/soldering but those clips are iffy. You can also get blank bios chips or ones programmed w a specific BIOS version which means desoldering old chip /soldering new chip.

[@whackbag3606]

I'm genuinely amazed it didn't kick on when you smacked the table, that would've been the best fix ever.

[@tazgamerplays]

Like the DeLorean in Back to the future.

[@andrewsprojectsinnovations6352]

Is there a problem? IS THERE A PROBLEM?! [starts hitting instrument panel] [problem disappears] No, it looks like everything is just fine.

[@tazgamerplays]

@@andrewsprojectsinnovations6352 Hits it with a wrench. This is how we fix things in Russia.

[@dammitanothername]

Jay, 11:57, behind you, above the desktop case's left hand side- take the yellow handle tool and apply percussive maintenance to MB.

[@MrSongib]

Updating bios is the scariest thing in a PC build. I got anxious each time I update the bios it's Life and Death matter since I don't have UPS. 🥶

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Getting a blackout while flashing is the **stuffiest** thing ever

[@andrewsprojectsinnovations6352]

I have a UPS and it was still a nerve-racking experience (in my case, Ryzen 3700 on Tomahawk Max 2). As that was my first build I didn't have a spare previous-gen Ryzen chip so BIOS flashback was basically my only option. This was at the height of the chip shortage too so I really didn't want to have to buy another CPU. Got it all put together; CPU, RAM, and everything. Red CPU light. I began the update and let me tell you, that was by far the longest couple minutes of my life, felt like almost an hour. But it did its thing, rebooted, and thankfully it didn't crash. I had a BIOS screen and from there it was smooth sailing; all that was left was to enable XMP, install Windows, and pat myself on the back.

[@MrSongib]

@@andrewsprojectsinnovations6352 🤣 Fun fact i told my family when i did update the bios and i said to them "Don't touch any electronic thing in the house, and dont turn on any machine in the house. just sit down and be silent!!" 😂

[@SeersantLoom]

@@MrSongib And then the fridge or air-con decides to turn on (as the thermostat commands it) and poof :-) or any other automatic-controlled device that can create nice voltage spikes. Or your neighbour switches on his huge welder or elechickens decide it is the best time to do maintenance and no tell anyone about it. In short, Murphy's law. BTW, I have UPS. It is supposed to help with power outages, one would think. My APC UPS does regular battery checks/reports and stuff. Still, it crapped out on battery failure (read: went dead almost immediately on mains failure) when UPS power was actually needed.

[@nocturnal101ravenous6]

Its really not that bad anymore.

[@Cannabis_Connoisseur]

Still loving this jaytober. Thank you for the hard work.

[@quench89]

Have you tried changing the flashdrive? have you checked the file system type of the flashdrive as well? Just trying to help

[@erickcoutsii9499]

First off, I've had a UEFI/BIOS go brick from running MemTest86+ for some reason. With that said, there are two ways to fix this. The first involves clearing CMOS and then performing flash back. The second is manually erasing the eeprom and then performing the flash back. If the eeprom is corrupted, it can put itself into a lock state. A simple chip flasher to erase it is your best bet. Follow that with the reflash and you should be golden.

[@janemba42]

Finally a comp I might actually have a chance in... Being Australian most of the big tech channels don't include our big sunburnt -desert- country. I'm under no illusions that I'll win but at least having a chance I very much appreciate. Having recently lost my gaming PC I managed to cobble together and old FX 4100 with a r7 250 oc and it's.... Slow, to say the least.

[@TatsuZZmage]

That's cause their afraid of spiders in the returned postage

[@janemba42]

@@TatsuZZmage I'm so tired and spaced out that I got all excited to enter into the competition.... Only to completely forget. Thank you for reminding me! Or maybe I swallowed too many spiders when I was asleep. This is Australia so it's very possible.

[@hungryhungryhummer]

I guess we bringin back the classic jayztwocents soundtrack for this vid. Awesome!

[@ryanhamstra49]

“Huh, I wonder what this header does…” RTFM JAY!!

[@TheShivABC]

Yeah I had the exact same problem happen to me a week ago, in the middle of the flash all power went out, somebody hit a telephone pole or something, never posted since, no ram cpu or any status leds come on, the only fan that spins is the cpu fan, don't have the extra cash to get as nice of a board either, gotta go with the basic bottom shelf board just to keep the computer on

[@codym5352]

Bathesda making PC parts now? "features" that make things completely unusable is their specialty

[@dangerwr]

*Bethesda

[@Dirt_Serpent]

accept asus isnt the only company making mobos with bios flashback on them, apparently its only useless on asus

[@sedixmrboss5625]

@@Dirt_Serpent Thats what I thought but then I've started reading the comments and Q-Flash faild on a couple of people (Gigabyte), and MSI's one as well... Idk at this point what the fu** is going on with this kind if software.

[@ExarchGaming]

@@Dirt_Serpent yeah, i've never ever had an issue with MSI boards. Hell while i'm waiting to find a GPU at a decent price, my MSI board has been running 24/7 for about 7 years with not a single issue. My friend was an Asus Fanboy and he always had to deal with weird shit like this. For all the kind of shady things corporate has done, their engineers really do a great job IMO.

[@Dave83138]

I've only used this feature once just recently when I powered on the PC and the fans turned on and nothing happened. Testing narrowed it down to the MB and the 2 digit error code code on the display was generic and suggested the BIOS flashback. This brought the board back to life. This is an older board the Z97-PRO.

[@Rovertsmasher]

Hey Jay, I own this motherboard and you have to have that jumper on one of the CPU power options for the board to work, so you probably were not clearing the CMOS there. I've always had ASUS boards and have always used the EZ Flash instead of the button on the back. A trend I've noticed is that ASUS boards really don't like when something goes wrong in UEFI/boot. I've had OC's go bad and then not be able to boot at UEFI defaults, and found best practice is to clear CMOS every time you have a UEFI/boot issue. Also, as others mentioned I would double check that your USB drive is FAT32 formatted.

[@ChainOfAtlus]

Ik you probabbly wont see this but I'll ask anyway.can you ez Flash a asus Board without a cpu installed? Or atlease a cpu that ist supported by the bios yet.

[@saxitopau1528]

I legit encountered and used that feature for the first time a couple days ago while building a PC for a client at his home. It was an Asus B550 motherboard. Worked like a charm to support his Ryzen 5600. I'd like to hope the issue just affects intel boards.

[@Minemac69]

My asus B450-F gaming bricked itself when i set the memory speed to their rated 3200 on bios.. 😅

[@fvckyoutubescensorshipandt2718]

Last board I had brick I ended up having to order another eeprom with the default bios on it, prying out the corrupted one, and dropping in the new one (it was a 20-pin chip irrc and had a socket). $30 chip is cheaper than a $230 mobo if all it needs is a new bios to unbrick it. I guess these days there's 2 eeproms/built-in backup as standard.

[@badnewsbruner]

Why dual BIOS isn't standard for all 100+$ motherboards, I will never know. That could save SO many headaches like this.

[@filds1]

@@badnewsbruner Because they are cheap and sell stones as kidneys

[@pixels_per_inch]

@@badnewsbruner Well it's standard for Asus, not sure about other brands

[@FerralVideo]

I bought a B450 for a Ryzen 3600. At launch. It didn't have flashback. I ended up getting a A6-9500 for $50 to be able to download the updated BIOS, and even then it took several updates before the system became truly stable. I'm also inclined to agree with others in the comments that you should make sure you have a properly compatible USB drive.

[@Fvu31]

I'll be completely honest here. I never had issues with ASUS motherboards but my money is on the cricket.

[@drumbyte]

In the good ol' days, the jumper to reset the BIOS was always located right next to the battery.

[@donaldcochran5563]

Jay, your videos are consistently informative and entertaining. Keep it up, man. One of the few remaining pc-tech channels I still watch.

[@voyager3333]

Should use a CH341A 24 25 Series EEPROM Flash BIOS USB Programmer .

[@tippyc2]

In my best sportscaster voice: I've gotta go with the cricket here. Back to you, Phil!

[@exxor9108]

Thank you, Steve!

[@felixcosty]

Thanks for the video. Just a suggestion. Pull the battery. Check the battery.

[@nathans3022]

Why not find the BIOS chip, pull it off, replace it with one that has a working one already flashed on it? Could make for a good video!

[@nathans3022]

@@dazley8021 So? Its not that difficult to de-solder and solder on a new one. I've done it before and I really ain't that skilled. Brought an old X1650GT back to life by doing that.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

@@nathans3022 Have you seen Jay's video when he tried to solder a capacitor on a graphics card? And Louis Rossmann's reaction to it?

[@nathans3022]

@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Thats why I want him to try it. The lol's would be endless. What harm more could he do to the board?

[@racistpandagod]

Instead of pulling a Rom chip off its better to just use one of those smd prongs and just flash it

[@hycron1234]

I feel like he gave up on this too quickly.

[@thebigmouse6886]

On a A320m mobo if you want to use a ryzen 9, you MUST update “flash” the correct bios version for it to post/boot with that cpu else the highest is a ryzen 7. I’ve mentioned this before that on a Asrock x570 mobo I set the auto tune “auto overclock” and it wouldn’t post “appeared to be bricked” I was able to reset the bios settings to default by removing the cmos battery, shorting the pins for 10 seconds, reinstalled the battery. Booted and it’s working perfectly fine ever since 👍🏻

[@Manakuski]

Many times on an Asus motherboard after updating bios i have had to clear rtc ram by shorting the 2 pins next to the case pins for 5-10 seconds after turning off the power supply. Then everything works again. That's been with using the ezflash utility though, not the flashback feature.

[@Trancedd]

What is RTC RAM?

[@michaelfralick2355]

I've only had to use it once and it worked. I followed their documentation that told me to format a USB drive and stick the file on there then do the rollback. Worked like a charm

[@kentorourke]

Next episode is going to a homage to Breaking Bad's Fly episode; Jay, Nick, and Phil tearing the place apart looking for the cricket

[@ericcardinal4788]

I have bricked 2 ASUS Prime Boards back to back. I have since stopped using that particular ASUS board family. Great content btw.

[@oisnowy5368]

From the experience of people I know, Asus tends to brick way too often when flashing bioses. I think the BIOS should come on a standardized *socketed* (EP)ROM. So we can take it out and replace it.

[@drcyb3r]

I also have a board/CPU combo that acts weird. It's older, but this specific board doesn't work with that specific CPU. every other supported CPU works on the board and the CPU that doesn't work works fine in other boards. Sometimes PCs are just weird.

[@zaneoblaneo7624]

You could always desolder the bios flash chip, extract the actual ROM you need from the bios provided by Asus, flash it using a programmer, and resolder the flash to the board. Or failing that, get an identical board, pull it's bios flash, clone it to the bricked flash and reinstall them into their respective boards.

[@EpicGamingEct]

Hey Jay your USB thumb drive has too be formatted as a Fat32 before you copy and put the new bios on it for it too work !!!!! work around is creating a 8GB Fat32 partition too the thumb drive then put the bios into the fat32 then perform the BIOS Flash with CPU,RAM,PSU all connected and it will fix your problem .....

[@minobg79]

There is a thing that would help a ton in these situations and Asus is yet to discover it, it is called dual bios. :D As much as I like Asus boards (my last three motherboards were high-end Asus boards), this is a feature that I really miss.

[@KellicTiger]

Asus does have dual BIOS. The issue is you need to spend the money for that feature. As Jay mentioned in the vid this is a midrange motherboard which isn't going to have it.

[@simonfr97]

I think your standard for "high end" is not the same as Asus's. I have both a Rampage V Extreme and a Maximus IX Extreme, and both have dual bios, and not the shitty one that Gigabyte does, where when it fails 3 -5 times to POST, it automatically switches BIOS, but instead, there is a hardware switch to select which BIOS you want to use. I Think even my Rampage III Extreme ( X58 board, so kinda old by now ) already has dual BIOS. That said, for my personal boards and the ones I sell at my shop, I always use the "old way" to update BIOSes, no matter what brand the board is. It still cracks me that my boss uses the flashback feature and 3 times out of 10 it ends up with a bricked MB. He persists to use that feature to this day 😂

[@meair]

@@KellicTiger i’ve got dual bios on my b450 aorus pro wifi, i just have no clue how it works since i haven’t had a problem yet, shouldn’t be an expensive feature tho

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

@@simonfr97 Not sure about Asus but with Gigabyte boards there is a specific procedure with power to go straight to the backup bios.(if equipped) Some Gigabyte boards even have a bios switch to be able to switch between both bios's.

[@minobg79]

@@simonfr97 That is well said, Asus's standard for high-end. :) Not sure, but Crosshair Dark Hero is somewhat high-end in my eyes, as well as Maximus Formula I had before. These are not the most extreme boards from Asus, yes, but I would not call them midrange either. I just wanted to point out that this feature should be implemented widely today, as it is not a big cost and can be huge life-saver for the user. These practical features should be no-brainer even on midrange boards, IMO.

[@johnbovay8353]

Jay, on my Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0, both the 24-pin power and the 8-pin CPU power connectors had to be plugged in to get BIOS Flashback to work correctly. The BIOS Renamer utility shortens the BIOS' name down to a DOS 8+3 character name, likely to accommodate both the motherboard's BIOS Flashback utility and the FAT32 format of the < 32GB, activity LED equipped USB flash drive required to do the update. Linux users take note: The UEFI / BIOS file can be manually renamed to the correct DOS 8+3 name found in the motherboard's user manual.

[@DarthChewie]

" " "The only shot you miss is the one you take... and didn't.. 100% do." - Wayne Gretzky." - JayzTwoCents." - Michael Scott.

[@7gpanda744]

HAHAHAHAHAHHA THAT ENDING!!!! OH! ITS ON!!! Squash it!!!!

[@yoplaitmajor]

Love this troubleshooting content, Jay! Just some thoughts on this: USB drive formatted as FAT32 and not NTFS? You may also need to have CPU EPS 12V 4-pin plugged in on that ASUS BIOS - I believe some are set to fail POST if no EPS detected. Thanks for all you do!

[@cossierob6143]

I bricked my ASUS MB last week during a BIOS update. Flashback failed first few times then I yanked the battery and shorted 2 pins, I think to clear CMOS, left it for 10 minutes the tried again and it worked. To say I was relieved is an understatement. It was an X570 board though.

[@Scitch87]

Intel: "Look at how easy it is to build an Intel System! Even a 6 year old can do it with mismatched parts!" Narrator: "It wasn't easy."

[@leonritchie3413]

I thought you had to have the 8 pin cpu plugged in also

[@RealHellession]

This makes me feel like I chose a massive gamble with what I did with my PC. I had an 5900x and a b550 board from asus. I used the bios flashback to upgrade and it worked. I guess when you don't know innocuous actions you take have more weight than you realize

[@Iava]

You got lucky and here I am almost bald from the hair pulling

[@stretchable4647]

This is where a CH341a tool and hot air comes in really handy for failed flashes

[@ejtaylor73]

Now I have that Evanescence song "Bring Me To Life" stuck in my head.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

"Hand of Doom" by Black Sabbath

[@GrnArrow092]

Glad I didn’t remember the BIOS flashback on my Maximus XI Extreme when I updated my board last week. It sure was a pain in the rear to try to get my motherboard settings back to where I had them. It wasn’t finding where I had installed my NVMe drives, but I eventually got it sorted out.

[@turgsh01]

Here's another video where Jay fails to fix something again. I can't even remember a time when Jay successfully fixed something anymore. Although, in his defense, Asus has been pretty trash lately with their motherboards.

[@DantesGrill]

Jay vs cricket is the ultimate gamer fight!

[@SevenMilliFrog]

heyy, at least you're rich and have tons of motherboards

[@codemonkeyalpha9057]

I often find when motherboards turn stubborn and refuse to acknowledge your existence it is usually static (if nothing looks toasted). Jay seems to handle the board pretty freely, can't tell if he is wearing a tether. Maybe there is something in the bios flash chips / connectors / related componentry that is susceptible and that is why it is a common problem with their boards. Appreciate boards are a lot, lot harder to upset these days but when static does strike it can be an absolute pain. Might also be why flashing it over and over brings it back. Switching the power supply on and off can help ground out the static, so it might just be a random coincidence that it seems to help. Just an idea. I'm sure Jay knows this, but as it is less common these days maybe he didn't consider it.

[@jake-san]

Omg this is so weird seeing Jay speak about the same stuff that happened to me with an old Msi Z87-G43 board. I was updating the bios on it from a USB stick and it too bricked itself while updating the ME part of the bios. Went completely black. I repaired the bios by flashing it on a RPi Zero, using Flashrom, but it was laborous process since I also stripped 2 pads off from the board removing the flash rom and had to repair those also.

[@akmarksman]

I bought a new Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra board to upgrade the Z390 Ultra Durable 2 years ago, and the only way I could install Win 10 was to update the BIOS on the board. I recommend getting the latest stable bios installed when you get your computer assembled.

[@jsnotlout3312]

Really enjoying 31 days of jaytober :D The videos are so fun to watch.

[@H8flint]

Hey Jay, you missed one check. Start the power supply by your self by connecting the green cable from ATX24pin to a black one. I have startet bricked boards multible times in this way and could flash it from a OS. If the MB is not starting the power supply do it by yourself ;-)

[@waston76]

I think Jay will win with the combined power of compressed air and a shop vacuum.

[@njbrad007]

Next on JayzTwoCents - "chasing crickets". Bug spray, glue trap or shoe. Which one will work best?

[@mskurnik]

This used to be easier with removable BIOS chips.

[@klarahfenderson1374]

Yes. There was even a site where you could mail your chip and file (on a floppy), and for a few bucks he'd re-write them for you if one screwed up a flash.

[@white_mage]

jay vs cricket. the fight of the century.

[@LucasAdrianPlays]

hey jay, i had a problem like this before there is a button combination you press on keyboard to manually force recet the bios back to factory settings, its a back up feature they use to unbrick the motherboards,, what you do is plug in the proccessor/ ram / 24 pin connector and the 8 pin connector then plug in a usb keyboard into the back of the computer press and hold the win key + v and then power it on release both keys when you hear 3 beeps then leave it, that will force factory bios.......... i have fixed several bricked laptops and motherboards using this method...... its what companies do when you send the motherboard back for repairs its a feature the high tech companies will not tell you about due to exploit reasons but try that out remember its either press and hold win + b or win + v wwhen powering on and listen out for the 3 beeps

[@Deadwing888]

I flashed an asus bios with flashback earlier this year and it would only work with an older usb 2.0 flash drive. With a newer one the flashes were different and it did not actually flash. You can also get a clamp that clamps on top of the bios chip and flash a valid bios on from another PC via USB. I did that to a Dell server earlier this year and it did actually need to be powered on before it would let me flash. This ran the risk of sending too much current to the bios chip; though it did work.

[@wobblysauce]

Had that happen to me with a new build, b550 master and 5600x, took me a few days of flashing/renaming changing sticks, and un/mounting the CPU and cooler... Finally went and found a USB1 stick and put the bios on that and it worked.

[@probusthrax]

@jay if you need an idea for an October video, I would like to see one that helps you find bloatware and bottlenecks

[@DarekOcias]

I had the same problem trying to flash the BIOS in freshly acquired Rampage V Extreme about 5 years ago. The board has 2 BIOS chips just in case one gets damaged. Believe it or not I managed to "fry" both chips using two different USB sticks correctly formatted. A good thing - the board was replaced by Asus. Never attempted to flash it again. Also, my advise to others is not to attempt the FlashBack solution.

[@PlanetEleethal]

Just for fun, I have seen many times the CMOS reset jumper not work properly unless you remove the CMOS battery. I did not see you remove the battery? Just a thought from 30 years experience.

[@andresbravo2003]

That really fixed the issue Jay. this really Really works!

[@TheCrow2269]

I had the same issue once with my ASUS Crosshair VIII. My fix was to flash the BIOS to an older version. I then waited till a new version of the BIOS came out to update to.

[@wolphin732]

I have a friend that did use the flashback successfully, but I agree with the idea of using just the standard/normal, tried, tested, and proven method whenever possible, and keep the flashback for when there is an issue that the normal method doesn't work with!

[@KatrisaAshe]

JAY VS CRICKET - > Best part of video... I'm betting my last bricked board on the cricket

[@anthonysanchez4503]

Jay, your frustration is something I experience in a couple of BIOS derailments (a repair and a new build) and the botched use of Flashback. I echo the use of FAT32 formatted USB2 drives, but I feel one has a much better chance of flashing if the drive is first prepared by deleting the single partition using a partition manager (I use EaseUS), followed by creating a fresh one, formatting it to FAT32, and finally copying the BIOS file to it. When the Flashback procedure works, it flows smooth as silk.

[@Pandemonium088]

Anyone that completely trusts bios flashback really has major man balls and I salute you!