Tim Duncan's IGNORED GOAT Case (GOAT Series 9/9)

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Jonny Arnett

Jonny Arnett

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@jonnyarnett
@jonnyarnett 5 жыл бұрын
Where do you rank Tim among the Top 10 All-Time greats? Make sure to check out my other GOAT videos! Links are in this videos description.
@dontdoittoyoself6786
@dontdoittoyoself6786 5 жыл бұрын
Shaq knows what's up!
@nein9nein
@nein9nein 5 жыл бұрын
Duncan was better than Lepoppedpussy
@artr1059
@artr1059 5 жыл бұрын
For me he is defenitly top 10 and ahead of kobe and shaq.
@Suge8263
@Suge8263 5 жыл бұрын
Tbh he's probably 10th on my list maybe Tim Duncan too me is always gonna seem a tad overrated
@tutto9197
@tutto9197 5 жыл бұрын
I think I'll put him 4th. MJ, Larry, Magic and then him.
@tonylatrell4406
@tonylatrell4406 5 жыл бұрын
Remember y’all.. he’s a Ray Allen shot away from being 6-0 in the finals.. that is greatness
@BlackFlash7
@BlackFlash7 5 жыл бұрын
I mean he had another chance in game 7
@dariuswoodard4829
@dariuswoodard4829 5 жыл бұрын
@@BlackFlash7 and he dropped 30 , but everything that could go wrong I game 6 did. If pop puts him on the court after LeBron bricks the game tying 3 he definitely would've gotten the rebound and he's the finals MVP without a doubt
@TheTariqibnziyad
@TheTariqibnziyad 5 жыл бұрын
@@BlackFlash7 Parker was injured, he played great in the series.
@redbogaming6009
@redbogaming6009 5 жыл бұрын
@@dariuswoodard4829 stop saying disrespectfully LeBron brick the game-winning 3 like that if it wasn't for LeBron James in the 4th quarter that game would have been over a long time ago
@dariuswoodard4829
@dariuswoodard4829 5 жыл бұрын
@@redbogaming6009 yeah yeah but when it counted the most did he hit the shot ? What if he took it , missed and pop had the awareness to leave duncan in to get the rebound ? Just like in game 1 of the 2018 finals , you had an all time great game , the hottest from the floor you've ever been and you have the ball with Steph curry on you and 6 seconds left In the game and you PASS the ball to George hill?? Wtf? Those 49 points he had before that point meant nothing the moment he passed to george hill because you got them to that moment , you take that shot. Btw when he took that 3 in game 6 it wasn't a good shot , they had a lot of time to get a good one and he panicked and bricked a 3. I'm not being disrespectful , that's what happened
@lukacalov1988
@lukacalov1988 5 жыл бұрын
Had ray allen missed that shot Timmy would be 6-0 with 4 MVP's
@Sejr0420
@Sejr0420 5 жыл бұрын
You mean had pop not taken Tim out the game and let bosh get a easy rebound he most likely wouldn’t have got IF Duncan was on the floor. Pop lost that game with bad coaching as much as ray Allen shot won it.
@amarjeetjawanda6910
@amarjeetjawanda6910 4 жыл бұрын
6-0 yes but Danny Green was gonna get that finals mvp
@jadams6419
@jadams6419 4 жыл бұрын
Luka Calov facts
@pickzkickz
@pickzkickz 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to several hall of famers on his team.
@isaiahsantillan594
@isaiahsantillan594 4 жыл бұрын
Amarjeet Jawanda, not with how he played in the elimination game(6).
@subinbhandari3711
@subinbhandari3711 5 жыл бұрын
Finally !! Timmy D getting the respect he deserve He made the spurs what they are today! People talk like he was a good player on a great team but it’s exact opposite he was a great player who made the team good
@anthonynorman7545
@anthonynorman7545 5 жыл бұрын
+
@dexterjankaren
@dexterjankaren 5 жыл бұрын
It's both. You can say that and it be true when you have 5 rings....almost 6.....all the while battling the Lakers of Kobe, Shaq, and Jackson.
@anthonynorman7545
@anthonynorman7545 5 жыл бұрын
@@dexterjankaren and the Suns and Mavericks and Heat and Rockets
@hesoyammy9438
@hesoyammy9438 5 жыл бұрын
He was a great player on a great team. There's a reason why Popovich is known as the greatest coach of all time. Doesn't take away the fact that he IMO is in my top 5 list of all time.
@chumlanpatton8683
@chumlanpatton8683 5 жыл бұрын
@@anthonynorman7545 and Detroit
@peat381low8
@peat381low8 5 жыл бұрын
2003 Finals Tim Duncan GOAT. No one was stopping him from a close quadruple double
@darkknightsds
@darkknightsds 4 жыл бұрын
That was the single most dominant performance I've seen by any basketball player ever
@marianosantiniello2213
@marianosantiniello2213 4 жыл бұрын
@@darkknightsds I totally agree. His 2003 finals performances were masterful. Dominated both sides of the ball.
@nyk2000m
@nyk2000m 4 жыл бұрын
He was robbed. I hope he got a recognition like they did it for that 🐎. Yup, they did justice for Secretariat but not yet for Timmy...
@PhoenixAscending
@PhoenixAscending 3 жыл бұрын
Probably the greatest performance in finals history
@mart1n10601
@mart1n10601 3 ай бұрын
Kobe stops him all the time. Duncan has a losing record to Kobe in the playoffs.
@jeremiahhosea1140
@jeremiahhosea1140 5 жыл бұрын
If we evaluate basketball as a team game, Tim Duncan is THE greatest basketball player of all time.
@JKTProductionzIncNCo
@JKTProductionzIncNCo 4 жыл бұрын
In that case wouldn't he be 3rd? 1.Russel 2.Kareem 3.Duncan 4.Earvin 5.Stockton 6.Bird 7.Nash 8.Pippen 9.Isiah 10.Wade
@justainternetwonderer1273
@justainternetwonderer1273 4 жыл бұрын
JKTProductionzIncNCo true
@369pendulum
@369pendulum 4 жыл бұрын
To use that caveat & then still rank Duncan ahead of Bill Russell is insanity
@theamateurobserver
@theamateurobserver 4 жыл бұрын
This is a bit of a conundrum, wouldn’t we have to evaluate the greatest team of all time if we’re talking “team game”?
@republikadugave420
@republikadugave420 4 жыл бұрын
Bird is no one team player...duncan close second
@troybutts6565
@troybutts6565 4 жыл бұрын
my friend told me that Anthony Davis is better than Tim duncan in his prime... 🤮🤮 Had to watch this video to cleanse my damn ears after that shit
@jadams6419
@jadams6419 4 жыл бұрын
treybotts gaming he on drugs tell him to look at those first two nba finals he was in
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Who.. what.. is your friend a crack head?
@Jj-jd5hr
@Jj-jd5hr 4 жыл бұрын
treybotts gaming You NEED to show him this video, consider this his professional help for even conjuring that thought
@acidithiobacillusferrooxid3687
@acidithiobacillusferrooxid3687 4 жыл бұрын
Duncan has won 5 championships, Davis has won literally 5 playoff games so far
@WarLord645
@WarLord645 4 жыл бұрын
AD won't even be a top 5 PF all time 😂😂😂
@louisvelez40
@louisvelez40 5 жыл бұрын
I have Tim Duncan at number 7 on my list, definitely a top 10 all-time great. You can make a case that Tim Duncan is arguably the most underrated all-time great in nba history. Underrated leader, not flashy, he was the simple yet effective type of player. His game had a quiet loud impact
@death2denemy
@death2denemy 5 жыл бұрын
U mean he had a grungelike impact??😂😂
@glyle2504
@glyle2504 5 жыл бұрын
LBFWN who do you have above him? I have: LeBron MJ Kobe Magic Bird Shaq Hakeem Kareem
@louisvelez40
@louisvelez40 5 жыл бұрын
@@glyle2504 is that in no order or in order? I have above Tim in this order MJ Kareem Russell Magic Bird Hakeem
@glyle2504
@glyle2504 5 жыл бұрын
LBFWN woahhhh, I gotta hard disagree with your list😂it’s your opinion but there’s no way I have Kareem or especially Russel over Kobe and LeBron. And yeah my list is in order.
@louisvelez40
@louisvelez40 5 жыл бұрын
@@glyle2504 I figure you would and it's fine. I would love to hear Kobe and LeBron over Russell and Kareem?
@elreiec1
@elreiec1 5 жыл бұрын
Timmy made All-NBA 1st Team honors as a rookie in ‘98. That’s how polished and impactful he was. One of the all-time legends. Thanks for the video to recognize a legend.
@ambitionzazaridah4363
@ambitionzazaridah4363 5 жыл бұрын
Should of been MVP in his second season over Karl Malone in the lockout year
@mprattyh3
@mprattyh3 5 жыл бұрын
That's crazy, isn't it? Only 8 players have done that.
@tonyboots2958
@tonyboots2958 5 жыл бұрын
Eric L I believe he was 5th in MVP voting too if I remember correctly which is crazy for a Rookie.
@MarquisJames245
@MarquisJames245 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao love Duncan but that's a tad disingenuous bc he was a 4 year senior at wake forest
@qwertyasdfg9663
@qwertyasdfg9663 5 жыл бұрын
@@MarquisJames245 he would have been the same out of high school too .
@JackPetosa
@JackPetosa 4 жыл бұрын
Duncan is just a good example of someone who doesn't complain and sticks with their team without having drama with their teammates and sticks around to win championships.
@bigwillshouse1020
@bigwillshouse1020 5 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan was a winner. He was capable of doin more but why care about stats(ex.Westbrook, Harden) when you can still dominate with your team involved. He's on my Mount Rushmore tho fasho.
@babygoat_szn2548
@babygoat_szn2548 5 жыл бұрын
TD is so underrated, he's definitely in the 🐐 conversation!
@reditgenius
@reditgenius 5 жыл бұрын
He's the reason I'm a Spurs fan for almost 20 years. We're not doing good now but I know we'll recover. MJ is the best, no question, but people need to respect this guy.
@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET
@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET 5 жыл бұрын
Timmy D is 4th imo
@ehi_ij
@ehi_ij 4 жыл бұрын
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET no question at least top 5
@maltfusion6743
@maltfusion6743 5 жыл бұрын
Bank is open.
@Console-gamer
@Console-gamer 5 жыл бұрын
Michael Jordan is the Greatest of All Time. Tim Duncan is my Greatest of All Time.
@Frdnnd
@Frdnnd 5 жыл бұрын
Nice point
@machoking2405
@machoking2405 5 жыл бұрын
Duncans also the greatest power forward of all time.
@joshuanichols5499
@joshuanichols5499 5 жыл бұрын
Boi F No it’s not.....that sounds dumb as hell. Either he’s the GOAT or not. That retarded statement is just playing it safe.
@Console-gamer
@Console-gamer 5 жыл бұрын
@@joshuanichols5499 so I'm not entitled to my own opinion of who is MY own GOAT vs who is the actual GOAT? If anything, it shows that I'm objective because Duncan is my favorite but I know MJ is the best.
@joshuanichols5499
@joshuanichols5499 5 жыл бұрын
Console Gamer You really don’t get how ass backwards you sound bro? I’m honestly not trying to troll you. I want you to not be hesitant to say what you really feel. 💯 If Tim Duncan is your favorite player but you feel Michael Jordan is the goat, just say that. However, if you feel Tim Duncan is the goat, then stand on that. Don’t let these Jordan stans make you undercut that feeling by saying he’s YOUR goat but MJ is THE goat. Then Tim Duncan is not YOUR goat. He’s just YOUR favorite player. No matter what these MJ stans and sports media try to tell you, lightning will not strike you for saying Tim Duncan is better than Michael Jordan if that’s what you feel. And you honestly would have a strong case for that. It’s not like you’re saying Clyde Drexler or Reggie Miller is better than MJ. Absolutely nobody should look at you crazy for saying that, even if they disagree. Tim has never missed a playoff or even won less than 50 games in a season that wasn’t cut short by a lockout. Michael Jordan has done both. People always say that it was a Ray Allen jump shot that cost Tim Duncan a 6th title. But this was actually one of the worst officiated Finals ever. And it was that poor officiating that even made a Ray Allen jump shot costing Tim Duncan a 6th ring possible in the first place. That and the God awful play of Manu Ginobili. But Duncan really should have six rings and at least two more Finals MVPs from 07 and 13 had he not been cheated. As for regular season MVPs, it’s hard to use such a political, story driven award as argument for one player over another. Yeah MJ has five to Duncan’s two. But I can only give so much credibility to an MVP that Steve Nash has been awarded twice and KOBE F’N BRYANT only once. Tim Duncan has matched MJ on all NBA first teams, could’ve easily been awarded at least three more regular season MVPs and that he never won at least one DPOY award is a crime. He also averaged a double double the first 13 years of his career and was still highly productive after. He played in a share the wealth system his entire career and placed team success over individual numbers. Otherwise, he could’ve posted even better numbers. Anybody with even poor vision could see that Tim was skilled enough to average 30 ppg and 15 rpg. Finally, Tim Duncan is far and away the best power forward ever. While Michael at best is ARGUABLY the the greatest shooting guard. But contrary to popular belief Michael wasn’t better than Kobe who is the real goat as far as I’m concerned. So I write all that to really just make the point that you don’t have to rank MJ ahead of Tim if that’s not what you feel. If Tim Duncan is YOUR goat, then in your eyes, he is THE goat.....end of story.
@MillzBC
@MillzBC 5 жыл бұрын
Love the title! Timmy D is a top 5 player all time and is consistently forgotten about in GOAT discussions.
@taunohill6710
@taunohill6710 4 жыл бұрын
For how good Tim Duncan was offensively there is an argument that was a better defender than offensive player
@justin-kongjr6196
@justin-kongjr6196 5 жыл бұрын
As a spurs fan its good to see tim duncan getting recognized he is probably the most underrated GOAT ever
@angelocadena7094
@angelocadena7094 4 жыл бұрын
The greatest power forward ever, and arguably the best teamate ever. No air with this man, pure humility.
@abdelkrimizemrane6230
@abdelkrimizemrane6230 5 жыл бұрын
You are one of the best NBA channel bro Keep up the good work Iam new NBA fan
@thenbaconsensus9412
@thenbaconsensus9412 5 жыл бұрын
So proud of you man. It’s finally happened!
@Isuckatvideogames210
@Isuckatvideogames210 4 жыл бұрын
As a spurs fan and San Antonio Native Timmy has not only done a lot for the game he's done a lot for the city. And that ladies and gentlemen is why he's the GOAT. Nothing brings us together more in San Antonio than a night at the AT&T center to watch our Spurs. ESPECIALLY when Timmy was still around
@EsotericOccultist
@EsotericOccultist 4 жыл бұрын
He always presented a challenge for my lakers. I respect him a lot.
@popadopolous7130
@popadopolous7130 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it was wilts that gave me a different perspective, everyone around me always said he played against plumbers. Your video made me look into it myself and really realize how great and who all those legends were
@melodramaticplastic7082
@melodramaticplastic7082 5 жыл бұрын
Got me onboard with the playoffs appearances stat.
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop
@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
I remember Tim Duncan at Wake Forest. I remember my hair standing standing up when hearing he was going play with Robinson in San Antonio... I followed his entire career. It was amazing. He was amazing. I always wondered why he used the backboard so much.. was it too easy to just shoot it in 😄.
@josea.garcia3994
@josea.garcia3994 5 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! 👍👍👍 Tim Duncan was the GOAT of his position in the NBA and his stats speak for themselves!!! Their was other great power forwards,but their was none better than Tim Duncan!!! He's a most definite HALL OF FAMER!!! 🏀🏀🏀
@borasengul6600
@borasengul6600 4 жыл бұрын
The illusion with Duncan is the fact that he came into the league at such a high level and there was not much room for improvement.
@jakmak1345
@jakmak1345 4 жыл бұрын
Legend. I 🖤 Tim Duncan. Great argument. Duncan and Jordan are my favs... Class acts.
@cdhardrick
@cdhardrick 5 жыл бұрын
I was a Spurs fan before Tim got here. Having him only made my love as fan grow even more. Timmy D has always conducted himself with class truly a great pick for us and the league.
@minjod
@minjod 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine having prime Jordan and prime Duncan on a team. Gives me the goosebumps
@hannibalbarca4140
@hannibalbarca4140 5 жыл бұрын
82-0
@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx
@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx 5 жыл бұрын
Better than prime LeBron n kobe
@Buttington_Headerson
@Buttington_Headerson 4 жыл бұрын
Ha I was just thinking about that
@WarLord645
@WarLord645 4 жыл бұрын
That's better than Kobe and Shaq tbh
@joebruce4826
@joebruce4826 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Rodman had hid head together and stayed in San Antonio
@artr1059
@artr1059 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. This GOAT series is/was great. I was hoping for duncan or the dream.
@yaqubholder8644
@yaqubholder8644 5 жыл бұрын
Fundamentals are 🔑
@nkrumansantos1794
@nkrumansantos1794 5 жыл бұрын
I will never forget when he say after the loss to Miami that they would be back the next year and won it all. Simply Amazing
@gswoosh
@gswoosh 4 жыл бұрын
And to follow thru with it, winning the Finals series 5-1, SAVAGE.
@thisisjustanillusion6486
@thisisjustanillusion6486 4 жыл бұрын
I never forget that either. It was so bold at the time
@lamaredwards9282
@lamaredwards9282 4 жыл бұрын
@@gswoosh imagine Ray Allen missing the three
@jamespuso1627
@jamespuso1627 3 жыл бұрын
Thing about Tim Duncan I find most impressive is that he got his 5 championships without a real superstar in their prime as a teammate. David Robinson was great but when he won his two with Tim Duncan he was way past his prime, Kawhi is a great player but he wasn't anywhere close to his prime when he won the championship with him, Tony Parker was an all star and Manu was a great 6th man but neither of them are what anyone would consider all time greats. Compare that two his competition, he went through Shaq and Kobe twice to get his first two, beat the defending champion Pistons for his third, went through Kobe in the first round and LeBron in the finals for the 4th and LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh for the last.
@rashard4
@rashard4 3 жыл бұрын
So a still great and yet past prime Robinson, bookended by a rising star in Kawhi, while playing most of those years with to perennial all-stars in Ginobli and Parker, while being assisted by one or two time all-stars Sean Elliot and Avery, with a deep bench all those years (with all time great rabbit's foot Robert Horry there for a few of those years, oh, and Steve Kerr's sharp shooting arse), and coached by the slacker Popovich? I love TD too but he was hardly alone in his championship pursuits.
@jamespuso1627
@jamespuso1627 3 жыл бұрын
@@rashard4 Obviously, nobody has ever won 3+ championships alone much less 5. All you said was true except that Ginobili was a perennial all star, he only made it twice, but compare this to what other guys who have at least 5 had. Bill Russell had 7 hall of famers. Magic had a top 5 all time player in Kareem and an all star in Worthy with a deep bench, Kareem himself had Magic and all that too. MJ had Scottie Pippen, Kukoc for 4 and Rodman for 3. You could argue that's less than Duncan had but in all other instances they had WAY more. Kobe had Shaq, a top 10 all time player for the first 3, Pau for the last 2. Shaq was way better than anyone Duncan had and you could actually argue the same for Pau given Robinson and Kawhi's ages. Point being, he had A LOT less than these guys. Arguably Pop was the best help he had as he's probably the greatest coach of all time. But nobody's ever accused Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or Red Aurbach to be lacking in that department.
@kingofallmen1
@kingofallmen1 4 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic series!! Favorite player? Magic. Biggest superstar? MJ . GOAT? Larry Legend. Greatness is a subjective term and doesn't necessarily mean the 'best.'
@dumisatonyjohnson8145
@dumisatonyjohnson8145 5 жыл бұрын
Best Power Forward in the history of the National Basketball Association
@libaninho.
@libaninho. 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing series btw, well done! Your Bill Russell video gave a strong case and changed my perspective on who the GOAT really is. I actually think it's Bill Russell now.
@sticky-fingers
@sticky-fingers 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanx again.
@larsp8665
@larsp8665 3 жыл бұрын
This and the Larry Bird video I enjoyed the most because with others most basketball fans say them. But this Duncan and Bird case was well done and needed
@wc4201
@wc4201 5 жыл бұрын
He’s in my top 10. Unpopular opinion: I’d take him over Kobe and LeBron. Better foundational player to build a franchise around than Kobe and a far better team player than Kobe and he doesn’t need a top 5 player with him the way Kobe and LeBron do in order to win. He’s got the clutch gene that LeBron lacks.
@lakernation26
@lakernation26 5 жыл бұрын
will cruz Lebron lacks the clutch gene? Wtf bro nobody takes DuncAn over Lebron or kobe period
@mprattyh3
@mprattyh3 5 жыл бұрын
Everybody needed a Robin to their Batman. Duncan had the Admiral and Sean Elliot for his first two. Then Parker and Ginobili in his next run. Nobody wins titles, especially multiple titles, alone
@t.j.uchiha8699
@t.j.uchiha8699 5 жыл бұрын
You could argue about better to build a team around definitely. But saying he didn’t need a top 5 player around him is funny. When was Pau or Bynum a top 5 player in the league? I’ll give you Shaq (though you could argue they were 1 and 1A). But let’s not sleep on all the help Duncan had on top of being in the same offense and defense under the same coach for his entire career. Robinson was one of the best big men in the league, Parker (top PG in league), Manu (best 6th man and arguably a top 5 SG in most of his career). And that’s leaving out the role player help like Green, Leonard, etc. underrated and one of my favorite players but I’d say he had more help and more consistency than almost anyone in the top 10.
@wc4201
@wc4201 5 жыл бұрын
Killmonger 26 he’s not clutch. Physically he’s the second most gifted player I’ve seen behind MJ. LBJ always makes great basketball plays and is this generations best player by far but I’d rather have both Kobe or Tim on my team if I’m in the finals. Like I said, unpopular opinion but rings and finals records don’t lie.
@bobfromaccounting3243
@bobfromaccounting3243 5 жыл бұрын
@@t.j.uchiha8699 This is a weak and bs argument, was absolutely destroyed by Legend of Winning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqfUXqp8e9qkhrs
@chubbzrobinson8392
@chubbzrobinson8392 4 жыл бұрын
Yo this just blew my mind ! 🤯 i knew Timmy d was a great but the hardware and consistency crazy
@stewartjin9812
@stewartjin9812 5 жыл бұрын
Tough call, but i take Duncan over LBJ. Records don't lie. He has a better playoff record and more champioships than LBJ. Also he is a better player to build around than LBJ
@immaasshole4964
@immaasshole4964 5 жыл бұрын
stewart jin And that’s why context matters compre what Lebron was drafted into and compare what Tim was drafted into
@immaasshole4964
@immaasshole4964 5 жыл бұрын
stewart jin another reason why we dont just use Chios in determining who the better player is because robert horry has 7 rings and we both know Tim>Robert
@geordiejones5618
@geordiejones5618 4 жыл бұрын
He doesn't have a better playoff record. Lebron has played less time, they both have 35 series wins and Lebron has 3 less playoff losses and never lost in the first round. This is despite Duncan clearly having the better team, coaching and culture. Don't get impression mixed up. Lebron's won a higher percentage of his playoff games than Duncan. With or without help.
@bobo221989
@bobo221989 4 жыл бұрын
I love Pop as a coach but what was he doing before Duncan and Lebron has way more help than Duncan. Duncan never played with another prime superstar
@geordiejones5618
@geordiejones5618 4 жыл бұрын
@@bobo221989 shut the fuck up talking Duncan had less help than Lebron. Pop's Spurs are a dynasty they won 4 titles in 9 years because they were the best defensive team in the league. You the dumbest fuck on Earth if you think Lebron had more help than Duncan.
@0Adnin
@0Adnin 3 жыл бұрын
One of my regrets as grown up is "Not having a chance to witness Tim Duncan. Growing up in India in late 90's and early 2000's. Wehn internet was luxury and basketball community would only talk about the world renowned greats I.e Jordan and Kobe. And since I was not athletically gifted being Kobe or Jordan was impossible. If only I would have known about The Big Fundamental. I would have model my game after him. Instead of trying to use my body at above its capacity and having "No more basketball" injury at age 15 and leave the sport forever. Career in basketball was never something I wanted. I would have liked to make it to Nationals championship once. I think with Tim Duncan's methodology it would have been definitely possible.
@lurkingdolphin7155
@lurkingdolphin7155 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Jonny you should do a video on inflated triple doubles
@DavidWilliams-qj1fj
@DavidWilliams-qj1fj 4 жыл бұрын
I am a bit late to the party, but glad I found this series. This video more than the others influenced my thinking about the player. I always thought Tim was good. you convinced me he was great. I enjoy your objectiveness and logic. It was a very good series and I would have liked to see it continue. I think you could have made a case for Oscar Robertson in particular, but there are probably others who deserve to be included. Looking forward to more of your videos and insights.
@Tesse29
@Tesse29 5 жыл бұрын
Pls, do one "How Good Was Dirk Nowitzki"
@thaat1
@thaat1 5 жыл бұрын
Please don't! Another boring basketball player,
@Tesse29
@Tesse29 5 жыл бұрын
@@thaat1 OK, kid. Basketball isn't for you. I got it. Go play some League of Legends or Minecraft, it's the perfect type of game to match your peanut brain IQ. Good luck!
@thaat1
@thaat1 5 жыл бұрын
@@Tesse29 Tall white guy with a midrange shot...zzzzzzzzzzzzz
@thaat1
@thaat1 5 жыл бұрын
Nowitzki would have been the cat's meow in the sock hop 50's... him George Mikan, and Vern Mikkelsen.....
@narvaez3100
@narvaez3100 5 жыл бұрын
Kevyn Diniz 🤣
@darkknightsds
@darkknightsds 3 жыл бұрын
Duncan's near quadruple double in the Finals is the single best performance I've ever seen by a basketball player
@VFXPlug17
@VFXPlug17 5 жыл бұрын
Tim is top 10 for sure
@JnH5492
@JnH5492 4 жыл бұрын
I've watched a lot of your videos yet somehow was never subscribed til now. KZbin recommendations are giving me the content I need in my life now. Great content. Keep it up!
@terrancejohnson1044
@terrancejohnson1044 5 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan I knew he was a beast. But when he broke down numbers. Oooooooooooooowe he’s behind Mitchell jordan. And also Hakeem in conversation. But damn duncan
@dominiquejones3805
@dominiquejones3805 3 жыл бұрын
Him and Hakeem r my fav big men
@crossgordon4376
@crossgordon4376 5 жыл бұрын
7:11 love that side-eye staredown lol he woulda had big numbers and stayed in his prime for a few more years if he didn't sacrifice numbers same time he sacrificed money. He's smart he knew their chances were better if he deferred a little to the other prime talent on the team
@nbabackcourtmedia
@nbabackcourtmedia 5 жыл бұрын
4th best player ever imo
@greekyoungbuck
@greekyoungbuck 5 жыл бұрын
I can't put over magic
@pf210
@pf210 5 жыл бұрын
Top 5 by posistion
@nbabackcourtmedia
@nbabackcourtmedia 5 жыл бұрын
F P ?
@pf210
@pf210 5 жыл бұрын
@@nbabackcourtmedia top 5 Pg Magic Sg Mj Sf Bron Pf Duncan C Kareem
@nbabackcourtmedia
@nbabackcourtmedia 5 жыл бұрын
F P PG Magic SG MJ SF Bird PF Duncan C Kareem
@richardsypertjr.5021
@richardsypertjr.5021 4 жыл бұрын
That San Antonia team was one the the greatest of all time and is underrated. They were very close to have a long dynasty. They were coached to sacrifice individual stats for team success and this contributes to thier individual players being rated lower on all-time lists.
@Chandasouk
@Chandasouk 5 жыл бұрын
OLD MAN RIVER WALK!
@lordluvsme9378
@lordluvsme9378 4 жыл бұрын
The most underrated power forward ever. His quiet demeanor, and his great time management coach popovich. Duncan" big fundamental" is GOAT worthy.
@zxcytdfxy256
@zxcytdfxy256 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, Duncan is more of a GOAT than Kobe and Lebron
@tigeranthony
@tigeranthony 4 жыл бұрын
Mllr hr Nope. His singular greatness cannot be denied but he played in perhaps the greatest all time SYSTEM and played with several HOF caliber players......
@tigeranthony
@tigeranthony 4 жыл бұрын
Mushroom Classic the ENTIRE roster on EVERY team Tim played on was “ASTUTE” and you can thank Pop and his system for that, BUT, along with those “astute” players were Robinson, Ginobli, and Parker.......ALL HOF’ers. I agree with you on the Lebron point but nevertheless Timmy D is NOT better than Kobe, MJ Magic, Bird, The Dream, Wilt, or even Lebron when you consider ALL factors. He is however the undisputed greatest PF
@jrsmith1998
@jrsmith1998 4 жыл бұрын
And u are more of an idiot than anybody I have ever came across.
@tigeranthony
@tigeranthony 4 жыл бұрын
J B him being the CENTERPIECE of the system and him being THE system are two different things dumbass. Talk to me when you learn a little more basketball
@samuelhepburn2636
@samuelhepburn2636 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this, much love 👍😎
@MagnaniGustavo
@MagnaniGustavo 5 жыл бұрын
Bro, you convinced me in every single video from this series! It would be nice to have one for CARMELO ANTHONY, tho
@BasketballHighway19
@BasketballHighway19 5 жыл бұрын
Melo doesnt have a case for goat
@3631956406
@3631956406 4 жыл бұрын
I can watch this GOAT list again and again, thanks Jonny for this...
@thompsonappliance3078
@thompsonappliance3078 5 жыл бұрын
The greatest power forward.. ever. . yes. Even better than Garnette
@winstonsmith11
@winstonsmith11 5 жыл бұрын
*Garnett
@chad9113
@chad9113 4 жыл бұрын
Not even close.
@jrsmith1998
@jrsmith1998 4 жыл бұрын
Garnett is in the top 10. But closer to 10 than he is to 5.
@bretmaverick9434
@bretmaverick9434 4 жыл бұрын
@@jrsmith1998 He's inarguably in the top 5. Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Garnett, Dirk. Everyone after that isn't on the same level as those 5.
@amarjeetjawanda6910
@amarjeetjawanda6910 4 жыл бұрын
He was "THE" POWER FORWARD in the age of power forwards/big men. He either defeated and dominated every big man that he faced in the regular season, post season, pre season, and off season. He went through KG, Shaq, C-Webb, Dirk, AD, Ben n Rasheed Wallace, Blake Griffin n DeAndre Jordan, McDyees, Marcus Camby, Pau n Mark Gasol, Yao Ming, K-Mart, STAT, Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, Birdman, Big Shot Bob, Z-Bo. Give the man his props because he had a lot of competition during those 19 years.
@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO.
@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO. 5 жыл бұрын
Best power forward ever and 8th best player ever in my opinion
@Suge8263
@Suge8263 5 жыл бұрын
Prime vs prime kg is better
@ItsMeNixHAHAHA
@ItsMeNixHAHAHA 4 жыл бұрын
Him and Kareem are always forgotten when it comes to the GOAT debate..
@TheH3dgie
@TheH3dgie 3 жыл бұрын
the plight of the bigman. A good big man will dominate both sides of the ball and be forgotten after the game cos some 6'6 guard did a cross over.
@waldo_9338
@waldo_9338 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheH3dgie WoAh He MaDe A 3 PoInTeR!!!!! Meanwhile the bigman has something like 40 points 20 rebounds 5 assists and 10 blocks lol. I want the dominate bigman to come back to the nba...
@azelenovic3005
@azelenovic3005 4 жыл бұрын
I have Duncan over lebron in my top 5
@dominiquejones3805
@dominiquejones3805 3 жыл бұрын
Whats there 2 argue. Man if we get 2 the thick of it. Lbj is low n my all time list. Personally I think prime Wade is Better.
@347kimanib
@347kimanib 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing video bro ! Keep em coming !
@lakernation26
@lakernation26 5 жыл бұрын
Hes in my top 6 players of all time 💪🏽💪🏽
@redbogaming6009
@redbogaming6009 5 жыл бұрын
5 for me
@nathansalinas1669
@nathansalinas1669 5 жыл бұрын
wow that's high praise coming from a Lakers fan. Just assuming, based on your profile pic. Who is your top 6?
@y2shuproblem
@y2shuproblem 4 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich were meant for each other because Tim got the coach and team environment that he needed from Pop and Pop got the star that was willing to let Pop coach the way that he needed to.
@markflores6104
@markflores6104 5 жыл бұрын
Duncan never went to another team just to win a title. He fought a hard competation in a stock Western Conference unlike the fake proclaim goat in LeBoom who teamed up with the two best player in the East to win a championship without any hard competation in the East.
@MarquisJames245
@MarquisJames245 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao Bosh was a top player when he couldn't even win a round in the weak east?
@amorodioamor4388
@amorodioamor4388 4 жыл бұрын
Bosh was a pretty good player but he can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Tim
@dumisatonyjohnson8145
@dumisatonyjohnson8145 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your Series 😃
@lamar1990lg
@lamar1990lg 5 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan Underrated Overrated he's your favorite player to Overrate his Underrated status in the NBA
@cooter1866
@cooter1866 5 жыл бұрын
facts
@wallyy4331
@wallyy4331 5 жыл бұрын
i had a seizure reading that
@ddp5406
@ddp5406 5 жыл бұрын
Duncan is phenomenal and is personally in my top 10. However is goat status takes a hit as his spurs had continued success as he got older and took on a smaller role, they continued to win even after losing Duncan, Kawhi, Manu, AND Parker....so alot of his success gets shared with the great coach popovich and the spurs entire organization. Love me some Timmy and the medias disrespect on him is outrageous for sure, he defitnitely belongs in the convo. Great video
@brandonw6139
@brandonw6139 5 жыл бұрын
Underrated, better than lebron
@MarquisJames245
@MarquisJames245 5 жыл бұрын
Better than Kobe also
@brandonw6139
@brandonw6139 5 жыл бұрын
@@MarquisJames245 don't know about that one Chief
@MarquisJames245
@MarquisJames245 5 жыл бұрын
@@brandonw6139 more mvps and more finals mvps than Kobe
@brandonw6139
@brandonw6139 5 жыл бұрын
@@MarquisJames245 by 1?for both
@brandonw6139
@brandonw6139 5 жыл бұрын
@@MarquisJames245 Duncan isn't even a top 5 centre and Kobe is the second greatest shooting guard
@bbobjs
@bbobjs 5 жыл бұрын
This was by far the most persuasive GOAT argument of the 9. Previous to this video Duncan isn't someone I would have even considered in the debate, great way to cap off the series! I personally still give the title to MJ as well, mostly because I think the title of GOAT has more to do with the zeitgeist of basketball than anything else. Jordan dominated the last era of the TV centralized household. Basketball fan or not, chances are someone was forcing the family to watch those games, forcing everyone to watch Jordan dominate. Most importantly Jordan just looked beautiful doing it in a way that few players do. It's beyond Basketball as the game, Jordan for better or worse, deserved or not, he's the spirit of the dunk. Others certainly do it, did it and will do it better than him, but when a normal person thinks of dunking, dunking ANYTHING really, they think Jordan. While I'm not convinced he'll hold that greatness forever, that's greatness you can't quantify.
@mprattyh3
@mprattyh3 5 жыл бұрын
He's in my top 10-15. I could go as high as 7 or so. He does have a cool story. He was on his way to becoming an Olympic swimmer until a hurricane destroyed the island's only Olympic size swimming pool. He turns to basketball at 14 and the rest is history
@AHMAD-2324
@AHMAD-2324 5 жыл бұрын
The Hank Aaron of Basketball: Meaning he never wowed you wit overwhelming inflated STATS. But in the end he would end up being a 5X NBA Champion 3X FMVP an a 2X MVP while being the best PF of ALL-TIME. That's the real GREATNESS of Tim Duncan.
@Siegfriedneo
@Siegfriedneo 5 жыл бұрын
As a Spurs fan, I love Timmy, but I wouldn’t say he’s the GOAT. Although I believe he has about the same, if not a better, resume as LeBron. I rank him top 10, arguably top 5. And you could argue he’s better than Kobe
@lonewolf2591
@lonewolf2591 4 жыл бұрын
Yarnball G no you couldn’t. 81 pts. Let shaq stay with Kobe and he’s getting more than 5 rings
@lildino2086
@lildino2086 4 жыл бұрын
Lone Wolf exactly with shaq with him being a second option kobe was never better Timmy
@lonewolf2591
@lonewolf2591 4 жыл бұрын
Lil Dino shaq didn’t win until Kobe. You Forgot about the years with the magic and shaq had penny. Still didn’t win
@Siegfriedneo
@Siegfriedneo 4 жыл бұрын
Lone Wolf Look I’m not saying Timmy is better than Kobe, because even I don’t believe he is, but you could make a strong argument. Timmy is a 2x MVP, 5x Champ, 3x Finals MVP, 15x All-Star, All-Star Game MVP, Rookie of the Year, 8x NBA All-Defensive 1st Team, 7x NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team, and a 15x All-NBA member. While Kobe is a MVP, 5x Champ, 2x Finals MVP, 18x All-Star, 4x All-Star Game MVP, 2x Scoring Champ, 15x All-NBA member, 9x All-Defensive 1st Team, and a 3x All-Defensive 2nd Team. I would say it’s pretty even on the accolades part, but accolades aren’t everything. I still believe Kobe to be the better player, but you’re lying if you say you can’t compare 2 of the top 10 players of all time.
@lildino2086
@lildino2086 4 жыл бұрын
Yarnball G even without accolades Tim is still the more efficient player, has more IQ, is a selfless player, and extremely skilled at everything he did Kobe is not better than Timmy to me at least and definitely ranks higher then him on a GOAT list
@NurseRatchet63
@NurseRatchet63 4 жыл бұрын
We were so blessed to have Tim... Now we have him on the sidelines which is an awesome 2nd act. Class. Thanks Timmy 🐐 and Go Spurs Go! 🏀
@ambitionzazaridah4363
@ambitionzazaridah4363 5 жыл бұрын
He won championship in only his second season and should of been regular season MVP over Karl Malone
@ktapreswreckd921v9
@ktapreswreckd921v9 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Jonny, on a underated great....you made a good case for Duncan being in the endless debate about the G.O.A.T.
@user-no3cf1gl7w
@user-no3cf1gl7w 4 жыл бұрын
It’s just great for ppl to finally recognize true greatness
@Ivander85
@Ivander85 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite player ever and my GOAT for sure. He was the definition of team player.
@zenonpyro2071
@zenonpyro2071 4 жыл бұрын
*TIM DUNCAN* beats GOATs ▪︎won a title in 3 different decades (post-Jordan era, Kobe/Shaq era, LeBron era) ▪︎beats Shaq 3x in post-season ▪︎beats Kobe 2x in post-season ▪︎beats LeBron 2x in post-season ▪︎beats Durant in post-season ▪︎beats Curry in post-season ▪︎beats DWade in post-season ▪︎beats Dirk 4x in post-season ▪︎Duncan vs Kobe = 43-39 ▪︎Duncan vs LeBron = 21-15 ▪︎Duncan vs Curry = 16-5 ▪︎Duncan vs DWade = 19-10 ▪︎Duncan vs Dirk = 53-37
@elfaraon8554
@elfaraon8554 4 жыл бұрын
Great job, love this video
@itznotdatserious99
@itznotdatserious99 Жыл бұрын
Your Wilt Chamberlain and Lebron videos gave me a different perspective about both players. You did a very good job with all, but those 2 gave me the most to think about. However, MJ is the G.O.A.T. to me, but I love the nuance videos on all 9 players. Please, keep the good work!
@bobbresnahan8397
@bobbresnahan8397 4 жыл бұрын
I think Tim is the best argument against the whole GOAT discussion. He was so fundamentally efficient at both ends of the court that he almost flew beneath the radar. I have a basket of GOATs and Duncan is one of them. It doesn't really make sense to pick one of them.
@robertwaffel8248
@robertwaffel8248 5 жыл бұрын
As a hardcore Robinson fan I guess I haven't given that other Spurs legend enough credit. Thanks for these eye opening facts.
@drmnishikawa
@drmnishikawa 3 жыл бұрын
If I had to pick a team for the judgement day matchup, Duncan will be, justifiably, my first pick.
@MJIZZEL
@MJIZZEL 4 жыл бұрын
The man won 5 rings and was a clutch 3 from 6-0 and had a quadruple double in a finals clinching game. Def should be in the GOAT convo
@idealcommentary
@idealcommentary 5 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown.
@hannibalbarca4140
@hannibalbarca4140 5 жыл бұрын
No.6 all time for me but as my home town team, hes my favorite player ever.
@kennydrew6886
@kennydrew6886 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@relikvision3316
@relikvision3316 5 жыл бұрын
The Greatest Power forward To Ever Play The Game (Tim the big fundamental Duncan)
@dumisatonyjohnson8145
@dumisatonyjohnson8145 5 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan 1st round pick by San Antonio Out of Wake Forest in 97 97/98 ROTY 5x Champion 3x Finals MVP 2x league MVP Team USA 🇺🇸 🥉 🥇🥇 2003 Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the year 15x All-Defense 2000 All-Star Game co-MVP ⭐️ 18x All-Star ⭐️ 10× All-NBA First Team 3× All-NBA Second Team 2× All-NBA Third Team 1996/97 NCAA player of the year ⛹️ 2x ACC Player of the year Consensus All-America 2x in college
@Jimmy-sw8pv
@Jimmy-sw8pv 5 жыл бұрын
One of the very rare occasions that the number 1 pick panned out well, because the Spurs know how to take good care of their players
@JKTProductionzIncNCo
@JKTProductionzIncNCo 4 жыл бұрын
You can add a 11 more to the GOAT series tbh. In no particular order, Juluis Erving, George Mikan, Rick Barry, Moses Malone, Hakeem Oloujawan, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robertson, John Havlicek, & Bob Cousy.
@mirsyad9828
@mirsyad9828 3 жыл бұрын
My dream team would be Duncan (PF), Bird (SF), MJ (SG), Stockton (PG) and Hakeem (C)
@dysfunctional4912
@dysfunctional4912 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly my all time starting 5! Kudos to you, my friend!
@Aequorin628
@Aequorin628 5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the best metric to use to determine GOATness, is MVP award shares . It basically is how many MVP votes a player gotten in their career, and it's extremely accurate at ranking the top 50ish players. Here are the top 15 player all time according to MVP award shares: Michael Jordan LeBron James Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Larry Bird Magic Johnson Bill Russell Shaquille O'Neal Karl Malone Tim Duncan Kobe Bryant Wilt Chamberlain Julius Erving James Harden Kevin Durant David Robinson The only obvious issue with this ranking that I see is that Wilt and Kobe should be higher. Another thing to note is that Lebron is extremely close to catching up with Jordan, and after this season he will almost certainly be ranked first.
@lionstigersbearsohmyanimal6741
@lionstigersbearsohmyanimal6741 4 жыл бұрын
Malone over Duncan. Child please.
@glyle2504
@glyle2504 5 жыл бұрын
I mean he’s 5 for 6, never won under 50 games and had a Finals series where he averaged 24 points 17 rebounds 5 assists and 5 blocks...ive never seen anything like that in my life. He’s a PF and that’s really not seen as a star position, and he was as fun as watching grass grow for a casual fan-but he’s clearly in my top ten. I got him in there instead of Bill Russel. Can’t really put him above the other guys.
@kevinthekev1979
@kevinthekev1979 5 жыл бұрын
Great video and I agree 100% that Duncan is among the greatest of all time. The argument can always be made for any position but how can you deny his stats and consistency? MJ is the universal GOAT but Duncan is one of the best power forwards or centers without a doubt.
@CS-dl5vh
@CS-dl5vh 3 ай бұрын
Glad to see Duncan finally getting the credit he deserves
@AlexDrew892
@AlexDrew892 4 жыл бұрын
I would rank Duncan as my second favorite player of all time behind MJ.
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