TIMBERTECH AG 183-K Review! Is this the best cheap airbrush on amazon?

[@TheAIRspace]

I forgot to mention I DID polish all 3 needles in this airbrush, however every cheap airbrush and some more expensive ones have needed polishing. Thanks for coming by! I appreciate each and every one of you!

[@MichaelRozie]

I bought this and love it. I do want to buy a nice one but at what pricepoint do you get a better one? Is a HS Ultra worth it or is the difference too small and I should skip that and get an infinity?

[@TheAIRspace]

@@MichaelRozie Are you in the USA?

[@MichaelRozie]

@@TheAIRspace no, the netherlands

[@TheAIRspace]

@@MichaelRozie I’m not sure what price points are there I’m not a fan of h&s overall but they are higher here than some other places There are definitely good reasons to upgrade To a mid priced good airbrush.

[@TheAIRspace]

By far my favorite budget friendly airbrush is the creos platinum 270 or 289 but they do not have the huge .8 the timbertech has. The iwata eclipse hp-cs is always worth a look and having even if a bit pricey. The infinity by h&S is pretty expensive and If I wanted a high end detail airbrush the GSI Creos p2 771 fits the need as well as a custom micron CMC+ And at least here is cheaper than the infinity. I believe spraygunner ships airbrushes of a certain price free to anywhere. So jump off my spraygunner link in the description and shoot them an email if there are no suppliers in your area. I would order a spare needle and nozzle at the same time just in case something happens in the future. @@MichaelRozie

[@timbob1145]

Couldn't agree more, bought this for my first airbrush and it's amazing for the £20 I paid for it!! Seems incredibly well made for that money. If you're new to airbrushing it's the perfect starter. Cheers

[@Fred-wu9rt]

Got the Sagud version for Christmas from my family and I am very happy with the results! Thanks and Be Safe!

[@alemsmajlovic2476]

Based on your recommendation, I got 3 airbrushes (Point Zero pz-360, Sparmax max 35, and Timbertech AG 183 K) all 3 are excellent and budget-friendly, this one is a remarkable, well-said versatile dream.😁

[@TheAIRspace]

It’s not up to the eclipse quality but it’s a highly versatile tool. I only wish it had a standard cup I just prefer them a bit easier to clean

[@bubba6richards729]

Just scooped one up for $25 lol. Crazy price. Will use for the .8 coverage only. Well worth it thanks as usual for tips tricks and reviews. Love the channel 😎😎

[@TheAIRspace]

For 25 bucks I grabbed a 2nd after the first one. I’ve been using the .8 for background and edging my canvases a lot (I use the 1.5 inch deep canvas. Makes that coverage a breeze Aside from how well it does pearls and stuff. I’m a huge fan of self centering nozzles , so I may be a bit biased. But it’s proving pretty durable. I don’t think there’s any other cheap airbrush that’s as versatile. I think next on airbrushes I plan on doing comparisons. Ie. Eclipse versus ps 289 creos. Both fantastic but slightly different brushes. At least that’s my general idea. It occurs to me I’ve never done an eclipse “review”. Even if I’ve been using them for years

[@nikolajc7617]

I had mine for while now, not using it much as you do but i love it more and more every time i use it, havent tried the 0,8 yet but 0,3 and 0,5, im surprised it responds faster on 0,3 setup than 0,5. When ive got it it was very laggy so i made a plastic shim i set behind the thing up against the trigger so it pulls the needle right away, before i had to pull 1/3 backwards before any paint came out. Im very happy with it Bill.👍👍👍

[@TheAIRspace]

if they were to make a fixed cup version, with better access to the bowl for cleaning, i would use them all the time. I just really like having plenty of open room to sqab in with a paintbrush and rinse my cups quickly. Of course i change colors quickly and often and use thicker paints, so a quick rinse is not always nearly enough.

[@nikolajc7617]

@@TheAIRspace I get your point about the fixed cup, but for my use I love those cup's too👍

[@nikolajc7617]

@@TheAIRspace I get your point about the fixed cup, but for my use I love those cup's too👍

[@nikolajc7617]

That needle restrictor or what you call it in English at the back, i used teflon tape to make it tight, works beautiful.

[@davidbooher5559]

Great info! I first started airbrushing back around 1996. Wish I had all your videos back then. Everything was trial and error. Thanks . 👍👏

[@TheAIRspace]

Hey i wish I had my videos then too! :0 Just kidding.. But I did a LOT of trial and error, got a lot of bad and some good advice.

[@janvanrenselaar5998]

Hi on the first video of that 183k airbrush i responded and we had a little conversation. I have bought in this month another 2 Fengda 183K airbrushes. Now i got 3 for the totale price of $108,-. All set up in 1 size. Now i got replacement parts for all of them in stock. Bought then also a tube of Flitzz polishing paste.And man the are gowing smooth as a hot knife through the butter. About that front o-ring you can use that white tape or Vaseline and Beewax. I prefer the Vaseline because under pressure and the air passing it close up perfect, and in the ultrasonic it cleaner much faster.Beewax is a bit more stubborn. Glad i found your channel and learning from these vid,s a lot. Because i am still a beginner airbrush use.

[@TheAIRspace]

While I normally do not recomend teflon tape on the nozzle cap indeed it could be used in this case. i use Portland beeswax chapstick. Makes things easy to apply. obviously iwata seems to think so as they now carry it as an airbrush sealant. I dont use ultrasonic cleaners but i keep considering buying one for those occasional deep cleanings.

[@janvanrenselaar5998]

@@TheAIRspace For deep cleaning a ultrasonic is a great thing. And does not have to be expensive. I bought mine for less than € 75,- the only thing is that the running program is short. 10 minutes is the max time. So i need to run it 2 times. Just warm water with a drop of dishwasher product like fairy,and all is clean,also the inside of the nozzle. Have a nice weekend

[@markvirdellcreations1606]

Just got this airbrush, haven't had a chance to use it yet. Going to try it out on some t-shirts. Thanks for the tip

[@TheAIRspace]

I would recommend polishing the needles a little bit if that's something you are comfortable doing. For this price its really a great little piece of kit.

[@lancewhitford8101]

I just got one of these and am generally pleased with it, especially for work with heavier mediums. There is one thing I can’t figure out and that is the downward trigger action. It grabs at bit when I depress the trigger then releases with a little jerk instead of moving freely. I’ve stripped it down and put it back together and nothing changed. Not a showstopper but mildly annoying. I can’t try another trigger at the moment as the pin is a smaller diameter than my other Chinese brushes which all have a detachable air valve assembly.

[@dominicleone6795]

Seems all the cheap airbrushes from the past year or 2 are very much improved. I have the Master side feed version of this airbrush from 4 or so years ago and only the .3 and 5 setups worked. The .8 needle hole in the cap was off center and looked to me like it was to long front to back to get decent atomization. Based on your review here, this looks to be a new and improved top feed version from the Fengda factory. I've had one saved for later in my Amazon cart for the last year or so. (I did buy the timbertech side feed with screw in nozzles and am very impressed with that airbrush for the price.) Think I'll pull the trigger and grab this airbrush. Looks like lots of room between the cup and the trigger also, which I like! Thanks for the review! Dominic

[@TheAIRspace]

I have two. Neither with alignment issues. Certainly I’d imagine there are going to be some misses with them here and there. I actually use the .8 a lot since my eclipse can only go to .5. The .3 setup on these was too slow for me I mentioned in the video. So I pulled a .3 needle from a different Chinese brush which suprised me there was a difference on taper. But sure enough both have a long taper .3 needle. Some will like that however since it won’t be as sensitive I wish they made these in a single cup configuration I’m debating on a 6 pack bottle feed set of these just to toy around with textile work again

[@tamarabukta2771]

My hubby & I got ours because of this video! He lives his and I’m just going to give mine a go tonight. We may get a few more too

[@TheAIRspace]

They are remarkably easy to maintain and reasonably durable and capable.. for the price It is hard not to love.

[@tamarabukta2771]

@@TheAIRspace both my hubby & I have had issues, mine were that the trigger is not a smooth pull and it felt like it was grinding every time I pulled it back then after a little bit of use there would be bubbling from the nozzle. I take care of my guns, keep them clean, clean them while in use and I’ve never had the bubbling issue on any of my guns before. My hubby had paint coming out of the trigger area so he’s now checking on the packing seal. I’m going to try a few things to get it to loosen up and pull smoothly. I’m not giving up on this lil guy because he is quite the lil work horse and can handle a little bit thicker of a paint mixture. Thank you again! P.s. we are big fans & watch your videos all the time! Your vid’s are very helpful, informative and fun. We crack up at your humour.

[@TheAIRspace]

@@tamarabukta2771 as mentioned the nozzle cap needs to be sealed with beeswax or other sealent. There really are only a couple places air leaks can happen. The head cap and the nozzle cap. Exactly like on the iwata eclipse. The head cap on these need a fair amount of torgue on them, and ive not used sealent on mine and neither leak there. The nozzle caps on the other hand i used beeswax and make sure its a touch more than hand tight or they will probably leak. If your swapping nozzle caps to different needle sizes of course its more likely The needle packing is a domed PTFE type. If it needs adjusting you have to work slowly with very minor adjustments and then check the needle is just barely dragging. The triggers are obviously not as smooth as on say my creos or even my eclipse. the difference being the back of the trigger is rounded versus flat. if your getting any gritty feeling look for any burr on the back of the trigger, add lube to the spring /needle guide where things rub. Honestly gritty in the trigger comes down to seeing what might be rubbing. Occasionally i've found some triggers have little casting marks on them.. Even on fairly expensive airbrushes ive seen visible marks from the cutting/grinding process and they generally wear away with use.. a drop of lube on and then wiped off where the trigger meets the needle guide makes a difference.. but not enough to me i really bother anymore. Thank you for the kind words!

[@tamarabukta2771]

@@TheAIRspace awesome! Thank you so much for the very helpful information. It doesn’t compare to my Paasche Talon but it’s a good little gun, I do really like it.

[@Adoratek]

These are great bargains! I ordered one of these based on 2 things... 1. because of your review, and 2. because the nozzle design was identical to the Neoeco 116B (pistol grip and trigger style) which I really love for finishes on the guitars I build. In fact, today I ordered 2 more of the AG-183-K's as this will give me a dedicated .3mm, .5mm, and .8mm setup without having to change nozzles each time, and gives me 2 extra needle sets for each size. I really do think these are the most versatile airbrushes on the market, and at the same time very affordable for the performance they give. The only other airbrush I would recommend is the Neoeco new design SJ83, which also has drop in nozzles but the size range is .2mm, .3mm, and .5mm, which will give you the .2mm for very fine detail. I am thoroughly convinced at this point that actual performance is based on needle/nozzle design, well polished needles (which you will have to do with all brands and setups), and smooth action. So, if you can get those three things for under $30 there is no need for the big name airbrushes. If you are looking for the pistol grip/trigger style, make sure it is the 116B, NOT the 116A. The 116A also has a drop in style nozzle (which they call a new design) but they are impossible to find replacements as of yet on Amazon, or anywhere else for that matter. Thanks again Bill for all that you do in this channel! You are the most down to earth yet, intelligent person I have seen talking about airbrushes.

[@TheAIRspace]

If they had a fixed cup design using these nozzles I would use these even more. I was not a fan of the neoeco, because I felt they were a little slow to respond, which is similiar in feel to H&S (not the new ones) that I never much cared for. I had one here shortly now my oldest grandson has it. which he may or may not take a liking to them :/ Thank you so much for your overly kind words!

[@ghmason]

Little late to the party on your channel and new subscriber. Thanks very much for the information you provide. I bit on one of these and am not disappointed. There are two issues with this brush that I am still working on. 1. Upon pulling back the trigger, it is very rough almost like it hangs or there are rough spots in the slot. Still working on smoothing it out. Despite that it sprays better than the two masters I have been working with. 2. When screwing on my air quick disconnect tight enough for it not to leak, the brush sprays air out of the nozzle. Ordered tools to address this and I suspect the quality of my quick disconnect. Thanks again for this body of work on the channel. I just keep pouring over it.

[@TheAIRspace]

The rough spots.. probably will find rough casting on the back of the trigger. but there are other places they can hang up. The triggers are pretty much all the same on all of the chinese brushes (a few exceptions) Ive had a few quick connects cause trigger issues. I dont even use them anymore.. just keep a couple hoses hooked up. i just got tired of so many of them leaking.. or causing the trigger to hang up. and with a block i can turn the air off and change an airbrush in only a few seconds more than using a quick connect i dont bother. Thank you! Hopefully i can put a great deal of work on the channel this summer.

[@ghmason]

@@TheAIRspace Thanks very much for your time and answers. I have a manifold coming tomorrow for my compressor so yeah what you said on the quick disconnects. I will continue to inspect the surfaces that the trigger contacts and either live with it or use it as a backup now that I have the GSI Creos ps270 that you recommended. Can't wait to put paint through it.

[@nikolajc7617]

I just ordered one of those airbrushes on amazon from your link, should be here in a weeks time.👍

[@TheAIRspace]

Of all the "cheap" airbrushes these are my favorite. I mean they aint gonna knock out my expensive brushes but they have their place.

[@nikolajc7617]

@@TheAIRspace Im also only gonna use them for tank models and fishing lures, not like your amazing art work.😉

[@TheAIRspace]

these will be awesome for that. @@nikolajc7617

[@nikolajc7617]

@@TheAIRspace I just got it today and i have to say WOW, the finish are way better than my old cheap airbrush with no name on but im sure its from same company, the cups looks almost same and they fit from one to the other. It looks like they updated the quality control, the nozzle cap are not sloppy at all and the needle adjustment screw are not sloppy either. The only thing is the cup lid on the medium size is loose. Sorry if my spelling isnt correct, im from Denmark so my English is not perfect. Love your channel.👍 Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

[@TheAIRspace]

@@nikolajc7617 Your english is fine! Merry Christmas to you as well! The cups are definitely the same across multiple models. These definitely are a gem among the really cheap airbrushes. Are they going to be my super detail airbrush? Nope. But basing, filling, general airbrush work as well as models and such these are pretty great.

[@OdinZeus2020]

Ive been wanting ro buy one, do you think its safe? No explosion factors?

[@MikesBrush]

I ordered one based on your recommendation, expect my follow up video soon. Lots of big statements were made in this video lol.

[@TheAIRspace]

I expect ill take some heat. Some will assume I was dogging iwata.. i'm not but they don't have anything that throws out huge round patterns. the .5 eclipse as i'm sure you know doesn't throw out those huge lines like the omni/original patriot. And this in the .8 throws out like the patriot with the bigger needle. and you would have to buy the super detail setup to get it to pull lines like the .3 .. My issue there is the conversion on the patriot was shall we say spotty in quality. Like you i got a couple badgers broken upon arrival. I think you will be suprised . pro tip if you got another chinese .3 needle you might like that better like I did. just made it really close to behaving like an eclipse. (obviously not quite as good_ )

[@MikesBrush]

@@TheAIRspace no no nothing like that. I dont care about brands LMAO. I just really want to see if its as good as you say. lol.

[@TheAIRspace]

@@MikesBrush no i know YOU wont give me heat! Fan boys get big mad bruh! I'm looking forward to what you think of it. I've been kinda well shocked. As the days went by i found myself grabbing this one more and more. I bought it looking for hoser that i didnt care about, and its growing on me as a well rounded little setup. I actually am just gonna grab another and keep one setup as .3 and one as .8 giving me spare parts for either :)

[@MikesBrush]

@@TheAIRspace hey hey dont give me to much credit. I can still go off when i need to. LOL but im guna give it a fair shake.

[@TheAIRspace]

@@MikesBrush well I already ordered a second one. Ill polish up the needles and probably teflon the nozzle caps since I wont have to change them out.

[@madera7170]

Got one for myself but under Fengda brand, Fengda BD-183 0.8mm, only airbrush and cups, no needles

[@dustyart580]

Sorry Bill I totally missed your review even though I have notification turned on.. great review as always could I ask which airbrush you got your .3 needle out of that's if you can remember..lol just about to order the 183 as that .8 is something I need alot but thinking of ordering 2 of them and set one as the .3 because you can never have enough airbrushes..

[@TheAIRspace]

im running a needle from the AG 130 / master g22. im looking at the 5 pc sets which are like a ridiculous 10 bucks for 5. But all the ones I see describe a longer linear taper.. which is what I don't really want. Which is what I did was bought a second one.. and keeping one with a .3 in it and one with a .8. Im using the .8 for hoser duties. But it is suprisingly capable. The .5 is a pretty capable general purpose on its own. I just felt the .3 was too slow and linear and once I changed to a different needle setup it became a different machine. the longer slower needle was ok for thinner paint. But i like my paint a little thicker and it couldn't deal with that well. The needles in all of these brushes are so far all the same diameter rod. which is pretty thin. ill probably take a chance on a 5 pack of .3s and see which taper they come with. and ill let you know when I do :)

[@TheAIRspace]

oh as for notifications.. you wouldn't think this. but youtube only sends notifications to less than 10% of subscribers. the algorythym and notifications are definitely not something I control.

[@thunder2165]

another awesome video my friend, but I wonder if there is a larger capacity cup that you can buy from another manufacture?

[@TheAIRspace]

Ill see but the largest cup holds a fair amount. Its bigger than the normal c size cups. Master sells a bottle feed version of this brush also. But again im not sure if it has the stainless or brass nozzles. Its also significanly more money.. Masters version of this same exact airbrush is triple almost what I paid for this. The bottle feed version is more reasonable but still double. Im sure ill get some hate.. but im ordering 2 more of these, gonna keep one setup with the .3 one with the .8 and all the spares with the third. The .5 may get some love too... but i used it very little overall. If I get some bigger canvases to do maybe ill know what I think of that size more then.. I mean its sufficient. I just used the .8 and .3 the most.

[@racl1954]

Hi there. Thank you so much for what you share. Am I right that this Timbertech is in fact a Fengda FE183K Airbrush ?. I have just bough the Fengda FE 186K which is very similar to the 183K. The 186K has an air adjusting screw valve at the underside of the front of the airbrush and it is listed as a little bit more expensive than the 183K. I found this air adjuster to be not very good. There is no lock when you fully open the valve and when you try to screw it in again to reduce or cut off the air it does nothing as it has come out of the valve thread. Rather not have an adjuster than have to fiddle around with it. Like you I found that the O ring had to be changed to give the rear trigger adjuster a nice feel but that is no big deal. I found that the trigger on the 186 had some resistance when pushing down for air, in fact it kind of clicked a little to get past the resistance. I am very likely to have just got the odd one with problems. I was wondering if you had ever tried the Timbertech / Fengda FE186K and what your thoughts on it are ?.

[@TheAIRspace]

The fengda 186 has screw in nozzles making it an entirely different series than the 183. most of the mac valves (air adjuster screw) on fengda airbrushes are rubbish.. unfortunately.

[@racl1954]

@@TheAIRspace Thank you for your reply. I sent my 186 back as I would rather not have the mac valve if it is faulty.

[@bannerman100]

The 183 is an unbranded Chinese airbrush that gets sold with different brand names stuck on it.

[@topouzidd]

Got mine for $60 (because that’s how much it sells in my country) and the very tip of the 0.3 and the 0.5 was bent. It was scratchy to the finger and if you saw under magnifier you could see the bent. It was clearly a new and unused brush that came this way from the manufacturer. I had to run it on a 1000 grit sanding and then polish it. It’s good now, but it’s something I’d never forgive in an Iwata. Seeing that this is an airbrush that goes for $20-$30 in other countries makes sense about the needle quality, and the $60 I paid seems a bit stretched.

[@TheAIRspace]

Yes the needles on every Chinese brush I’ve had are not in great condition Almost always will you want to polish them. No question I’d not forgive that in a 150 dollar airbrush. But at 25 bucks? I’m most impressed with the nozzle quality. And for a beginner. These are going to be very easy to clean. I’ve been airbrushing for a long time and I still appreciate self centering drop in nozzles There are other branded versions of this brush here in the states that cost over that 60 mark. (Same brush different name on the side). And people still buy them. Thanks for your feedback! I appreciate it!

[@GeePours]

Hey! Im having trouble removing the nozzle on this airbrush- i was very surprised how yours just fell off when you unscrewed that nozzle cover - what an I doing wrong?

[@TheAIRspace]

they can like the eclipse kind of get stuck in the nozzle cap. be it from paint getting in there or overtightening.. while ive not had a timbertech one get stuck my eclipse and patriot has had it many many times. I use a wood skewer and gentle wiggle it and it will pop free. anything soft you can fit in the nozzle and gently wiggle.

[@GeePours]

@@TheAIRspace its actually stuck on the body of the airbrush not the nozzle cap - i dont know if grabbing it with pliers is smart. I cant get behind it with a skewer. Maybe let the front sit in cleaner for a few minutes then try to wiggle it by hand?

[@TheAIRspace]

it should come off with some cleaner and setting or hot water works often too. Use something like rubber and you can twist it.. like the rubber pads they use to help remover lids from jars. @@GeePours

[@FoxiAndMolly]

Thank you for all your videos. How can you tell nozzle is smooth/polished on the inside walls? That seems very difficult without slizing the nozzle in two? Maybee I misunderstood?

[@TheAIRspace]

I actually both swabbed them internally feeling for roughness, then examined them under a loupe like you would see for jewelry. It’s been invaluable in looking to see if nozzles are damaged cracked or out of round. Examining needles under one will surprise you how rough even higher end needles look. Unfortunately I have no way to film while using one. I have considered a digital microscope at some point. Bing these are not tarnished or obstructed there is enough light to see down inside them fairly easily.

[@FoxiAndMolly]

@@TheAIRspace Thanks.... Must be difficult to get light down such a deep narrow black hole to focus. Even more difficult to film I fully understand. I personal find even more tip dry issues on long taper needles. Interesting to hear about polishing needles. I forgot do you have video about that? (before/after macro picture)

[@TheAIRspace]

@@FoxiAndMolly im pretty sure I have some macro shots of needles polished on film on youtube somewhere. But i can definitely take some photos.. actually most of the time I use photos to look at them.. its easy and taking an upclose shot allows me to blow them up easily. Getting a camera to look down a hole not so easy. I cant even get my camera to focus on the front of a nozzle cap to show nozzle alignment issues.

[@inesucrvenom]

I realised I need an airbrush, so I'm researching. So far I've decided to go with common compresor (einhell TE-AC 24 silent, supposedly 57dbA) based on your older video recommendation (before that I concluded that I need a tank), and current idea for brush is sparmax gp 850. My main (better said first) reason is I want to be able to put isolation coat and varnish for my impasto acrylic paintings (water soluble and removable, so not solvent based things). So I want to have a bigger cup than 2-5-7ml usually seen on airbrushes. However this one has nozzle of 0.5, and since you've mentioned here you wanted 0.8 for metallic paints, now I'm wondering if 0.5 will be too small for gloss medium thinned with water/airbrush medium? I started painting just a month ago, and still haven't varnished anything, I don't want solvents in spray in my room, acrylics smells less bad :D So do you maybe have some other recommendation for airbrush for such purposes? And I've saved this one in my list for later experiments with painting itself :D Also, would you mind explaining how you've polished the needles? Thank you for this and older videos that helped me in figuring out what I want/need!

[@TheAIRspace]

There is a significant difference in needles for fan pattern airbrushes and regular airbrushes(at least the good ones, i reviewed one before that was a dud in that department) . If you recall me mentioning the taper? Well on a spray gun and the better fan pattern airbrushes that tip is very blunt. And designed to completely move out of the way of the opening. Letting out a much larger volume of material faster. For instance I use a GSI Creos ps 290 a lot which is also .5 And it will spray sealers and pearls and such with no problem. As a fact i painted all those colorshift speed shapes with that airbrush(one the createx colorshift video) . And then did a UVLS clearcoat on one of them using the same airbrush. I THINK the sparmax GP 850 uses the same needle as the iwata TH. But i'm not certain it does. If your paintings are very large you may want a bigger spray pattern than those even will give but the next biggest things is the iwata lph 80 which is a very great low air consumption mini spray gun. After that you get into slightly larger mini spray guns. A .8 mini spray gun will put out a lot more material than any airbrush. At a lot wider fan pattern. That is probably a good video topic.. Ive touched on it in reviews on fan pattern brushes though.

[@TheAIRspace]

i have a video on repairing and polishing needles.. But simple polishing I use a 3000 grit trizact pad and sometimes even polishing compound. However on these I did do machine polishing, however if your heavy handed / clumsy / not mechanically inclined its a good way to mess up a perfectly good needle with high speed tools involved. I use my mini polisher (3 inch round for polishing paint etc) Run it up with a 3k pad and turn the needle while laying the taper flat making sure the rotation is pulling away from me. Its not hard, but being aggresive could alter the needle... not much risk with over 3k pads and some comon sense and caution. But any more aggresive grit could quickly change the taper or dig in flat spots.

[@TheAIRspace]

non machine polishing I just push down with my finger against a polishing pad and spin the needle and draw it back to me.. it takes about 1 minute by hand ... it takes about 10 seconds on a polisher.

[@inesucrvenom]

@@TheAIRspace I'll check it out, thanks!

[@inesucrvenom]

@@TheAIRspace Thanks, will check those too!

[@chione3175]

Do they have a timbertech siphon feed airbrush for shirts?

[@TheAIRspace]

not branded as timbertech I dont believe. However this is the siphon feed version of that brush. spraygunner.com/airbrush-kits/by-type/siphon-feed/siphon-feed-airbrush-kit-with-hose-by-no-name-brand/?aff=15

[@jozuavanlangenhove6586]

Hi sir, I'm in doubt. Is this Timbertech really as good as a Iwata eclipse or harder & steenbeck evolution? Grts Joshua

[@TheAIRspace]

Short answer no. It’s not as good as an eclipse or the evolution Long answer with the .8 it allows for larger coverage than either of those brushes. With the self centering nozzle and different needles it’s a very compelling choice. If it didn’t have the interchangeable cups I’d like it more (I don’t like them on the h&s either.

[@jozuavanlangenhove6586]

@@TheAIRspace it's indeed a difficult choice. I think i wil go for a Iwata eclipse or a Harder & Steenbeck evo. I want one to last a long time. I already have a cheap Fengda BD130 airbrush, its not bad but for detailing it struggles a bit with the trigger when i want the right amount of paint. I need a new allround airbrush for my aircraft scale modelling.

[@TheAIRspace]

@@jozuavanlangenhove6586 i missed this a while back. But you really can never go wrong buying an eclipse. I still own 3 and a bottle feed. I still use my eclipse regularly.

[@lucamicalicapparelli4825]

Hello, does it have teflon o-ring? Thank you

[@TheAIRspace]

this one at least does have a teflon needle packing. It is NOT captured in the screw so its difficult to change. I checked and masters rebuild for this comes with a teflon packing as well. However the rebuilds over half the cost of the brush In the UK Fengda has a shop to buy parts. Here not so much.

[@throwabrick]

I got one of their older models and was not impressed, but this one is a huge jump in quality, and most importantly it is easier to break down and clean.

[@TheAIRspace]

This particular design of all of the cheap ones is perhaps the best option for most.. Now that's not to say they wont require maintenance.. all airbrushes do.. I did polish the needles early they really are just as rough as other cheap needles, and I had to use sealent on the air caps... but i do on my badger and iwatas too.. And i'm still not a fan of screw in cups I think it just makes cleaning a little harder. But I bought a second and both are going strong. the .8 is getting a lot of use from me . I bought the first out of curiosity, expecting to play with it.. review it and put it up in a drawer. Instead i found a space for them :)

[@throwabrick]

@@TheAIRspace I decided to get a second one, too. (I actually ordered already, but canceled it so I could use your link, hope that helps you!) I have a Badger Patriot, too, but I figure having a couple of these Timbertechs will give me some options.

[@TheAIRspace]

@@throwabrick Yes shopping off links definitely helps.. its pennies on a small sale really... I think 90 cents on one of these. But it all adds up. And amazon now deposits a couple hundred bucks a month into my account. Granted I have a lot of videos and i don't do this for the money.. but I use that money to buy more products to review. And it offsets my costs for instance.. i upgraded my phone and bought an "action' type camera for some filming instances. When i first started youtube I wouldn't do that and was editing and filming with whatever I had on hand :) I can very clearly see a huge difference in video clarity watching my earlier videos. And we hope to upgrade from there and improve sound quality this year as well. Of course lasts years pause put a lot on hold... but we may not get to weekly videos quickly.. we wont be going 6 months without any again as far as I can see :)

[@saial1313]

What air compressor do you use

[@TheAIRspace]

ive been running a kobalt quiet tech 4.3 gallon compressor for over 3 years now. If i were starting out right now and had the space I would probably buy this at current price I do have a video on hooking up to regular compressors. amzn.to/3KiRacQ ++aff link which means I earn comissions if you buy through said link++ And that is very dependant on needs space and tolerance for noise. I wouldn't run one of these in a second story apartment.. but in my house they are perfectly acceptable. Look up my video on air compressors for more info :)

[@pamfiloabionjr4529]

Thanks❤

[@yididit3398]

THANK YOU!

[@garageman_]

I have this airbrush and i have had nothing but problems with it.

[@TheAIRspace]

id be happy to help you troubleshoot it. With a bit more information.. There is not a lot to go wrong provided you didnt mismatch needles nozzles or aircaps. With that out of the way if you could describe what its doing its usually pretty simple. They are functionally almost identical to the iwata eclipse (clearly not as precise) But they do troubleshoot the same.

[@garageman_]

@@TheAIRspace Thank you! Ive been having constant problems with paint drying on the needle (which might be my fault) while spraying and also I have a weird problem where the paint spray will be inconsistent and even pulse from a very very fine spray to a large bloom. I have to take apart the airbrush and deep clean it roughly every 5 minutes of use.

[@TheAIRspace]

Tip dry is a pretty common occoruance that happens to all airbrushes. Practicing good technique will help a lot there. Pressure, viscosity and nozzle size are all things that determine how much the airbrush will clog. Bigger nozzles and higher pressure can use thicker paints, but can dry paint on the tip faster... of course more pressure pulls the paint better so might be less noticeable Very fine spray to large amounts of paint are consistent with paint being too thick. what paints are you using and what are you reducing with?

[@garageman_]

@@TheAIRspace I was using citadel model paint and thinning with water. I think ive probably had my air pressure to low for the viscosity of the paint. Thanks for your fast responses and all your help!

[@pigmentsplatter]

That cup fitting looks similar to the H&S Infinity and Evolution, it would be interesting to see if they would be interchangeable (as a big cup like that would be probably nearly 40-50bucks) if it was I'd be thinking of grabbing one just for the cups, looking at it,it actually looks like a hybrid of Iwata and H&S (yes I know Iwata now owns H&S, but keeps the same standards as H&S). Guess what we're discussing in a few days when I call you 😉😂

[@TheAIRspace]

if I recall correctly the h&s cups fit on iwata neo and the takumi cups.. I don't have one here to check. But I may swing over to the art store. I'm just not using side feeds... I had to strongly resist the temptation to buy a takumi. Speaking of H&S did you see Dred Fx's fix for the trigger response? Looks like a cool hack kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXTHg5eXnpilZ68

[@TheAIRspace]

BTW you have a full on fengda store in the UK. With all replacement parts available Although this brush is listed at 76 pounds.. a completely different price bracket than here. And a higher price point than sparmax is over there. Pricing differences between here and there are completely non linear.

[@pigmentsplatter]

@@TheAIRspace that price of £76 is about the price of a H&S Ultra with a few upgrades, but I'll be having a look at the cups though. As Fengda I got one of their AB Stands worked out cheaper than all the others and is steady as a rock 👍

[@pigmentsplatter]

Just looked now the FE 183K is £25 over here via Amazon (shipped) which making it look an more interesting thought on those cups 👍

[@TheAIRspace]

@@pigmentsplatter and here the Ultra is over 3 times the price of this kit.. And comparable in price to a creos ps 270/289 . And a cr plus is well over 300 USD.

[@alevikingo2979]

Something I realized the last years... as I bought some airbrushes besides Badgers and Iwatas, I can tell that as in 3d printing stuff, chinese products are geting really close to the real deal. Last month I bought a cheapo chinese one (Very similar in design as a H&S Ultra) that is close to Sparmax (Korean) quality, just bad o-ring on the nozzle I fixed with some beeswax.

[@TheAIRspace]

they are constantly improving them. some of the chinese brushes have serious quirks and issues. But this with a self certering nozzles was remarkable. I bought it for the .8. Then after playing with it a bit I started keeping the .3 in it. I am in the middle of another pet portrait with this one. I'm sure someone will come along and get offended, and no question its STILL not up there with iwata or creos in quality. But this is close enough I cant feel it when I am painting. Its really had me questioning what I was spending. Now with that said ill STILL be buying more airbrushes. And some fairly expensive ones im sure.. cause well I like to play and test them. But I did sell 3 airbrushes this week : 0

[@TheAIRspace]

oh my one complaint would be the needles REALLY needed to be polished... Iwata and creos can stand a little polishing badger much more so.. but these were probably even a hair rougher than badger. That would be the only thing to stand out aside from the nozzle cap being a little worrisome, but again thats a super simple fix. Its centered up and aligned on all of them so it didnt affect anything.

[@alevikingo2979]

@@TheAIRspace I think that while the chinese airbrushes are getting better these last years, the top ones like Iwata and Badger lost a bit of quality. Months ago I found a Badger 150 that my father used... and is nowhere, nowhere at all like one I bought 2 years ago. Where I live (Argentina) it´s really difficult to get replacement parts, and if you buy something online, all the taxes here are just nonsense. For example... 1 us$ = 375 argentine pesos. Average salary is around 80.000 to 100.000. So, when you buy something online, the currency just destroys the amount of money I can spend in this hobby without my wife killing me... and that, without the taxes. In Argentina, all international stuff you can buy (and a lot of things are forbidden here, don´t know why), you have to add 75% of your order to the total. Hard to get new stuff for me, while keeping my wife happy. That´s why I buy here, used airbrushes and modify them. Recently bought a Badger Crescendo 175, the oldest one, it was abandoned years ago in a garage for about 20 us$, but I´m searching for the spray regulator... only part that´s missing. There´s something about old airbrushes... maybe it´s me liking vintage stuff, don´t know.

[@TheAIRspace]

@@alevikingo2979 American manufacturing certainly has taken a huge loss in quality. And that hurts me to actually say.. Badger has left me dissapointed on more than one occasion unfortunately.