Top 5 Air to Air Platforms/Aircraft in DCS.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hey guys, these are my Top 5 choices for best Air to Air aircraft in DCS, let me know if you agree, or if you would change anything around. Thanks very much for your support with the channel and remember to use "GrowlingSidewinder" at checkout in the DCS store to get 10% off your order.

[@Lycky7even]

Personally, I've had most luck in the MiG29. Even though it can get pounded into oblivion in most servers, I still think it is one the most charming aircraft in DCS.

[@sgtrpcommand3778]

Hey you forgot to mention the A-10 with it's A/A JDAMs! Jokes aside though, you literally listed all of the aircraft (except the Jeff) as I bought them XD and I think I agree with you on all of them. They're all powerful in their own ways, but also have very definite weaknesses, especially against others on this list.

[@graves0922]

J11 and F15 would be close. The J11's R77's aren't as good as the AIM-120s but it does have datalink and the helmet-mounted sight for the R73's - both of which the F15 lacks.

[@mpananas1uss170]

You could make series like this about best ground attack aircrafts and payloads

[@capt-rex2894]

@@graves0922 actually you are right...

[@timsullivan4566]

You're right about the Tomcat - not everyone wants to fly one, almost no-one is happy to come up against one.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Well said

[@lopaka79]

And skip the chance of flying rubber dog shyt outta hongkong?

[@alje311]

@@lopaka79 you would get a lot more money flying the hong kong gig in an old 747 vs being a Naval Aviator in a Tomcat lol

[@aktionballspende]

@The Brain if u see a tomcat on the rwr, u can pray that ut rwr is broken

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

I love flying it. I picked it along all the discounted modules on the sale, and it was very expensive for me. Still, I don't regret it. And use it a lot...

[@gliderfs621]

F-16's visibility allowed by the canopy is just insane.

[@spoozy666]

wait does it even have a canopy?

[@the80386]

@@spoozy666 it has open air experience

[@AmericanDesertEagle]

80386 LMAO

[@spoozy666]

80386 like a WW1 plane

[@hudsonr.218]

@T. Tanev I bought one on amazon 10/10 would recommend it. Higher top speed than the hornet but it carries less amraams, but you have to make tradeoffs. All around the best aircraft if you have a budget of $15 million.

[@abuhajaar7885]

Growling sidewinder talking about the f14 being the best turning fighter in DCS. Me, an intellectual: Laughs in Spitfire

[@ThePTBRULES]

Me, a honorable pilot, laughs in A6M2. Until I'm out of cannon rounds.

[@sloppy-1-1]

Na, let me show you the glorious I-16 my comrade

[@XTZGui250]

Hold my I 153...

[@nabilbudiman271]

@@ThePTBRULES I remember there's a conspiracy theory, that in 1941 two Zeros was shot down by a US fighter jet aircraft in Pearl Harbor sea, and one of them apparently shot down by a missile

[@abuhajaar7885]

Ah you fools. The best turn fighter ever invented was the b-29 super fortress!

[@skyscall]

F-16: _flies slightly too low_ Ka-52: *your free trial of existence has ended*

[@kshitijthapa2205]

lmaooo

[@septic7301]

lol

[@Mohab7274]

*Expired*

[@ryz_vik]

so true literally any plane: flies TOO CLOSE to a Ka-52 the Ka-52: *I'll introduce you to gravity*

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

@@ryz_vik so will an apache. Gunships are too OP. Pls nerf

[@DudemeisterNL]

I'm a simple guy. I see F14's in a thumbnail, I press like

[@markotdz9523]

I'm a simple guy, I see F14's thumbnail has been liked by a simple guy, I press like to the like :)

[@DudemeisterNL]

@@markotdz9523 Haha I laughed at that. Thanks mate

[@markeldamgaard]

Its actually been proven true if you know what your doing.

[@DudemeisterNL]

@@alphapicturesentertainment Lmao, it's okay my guy. I watched the whole vid.

[@mauricemotors8207]

My uncle was on the Nimitz when the Tomcat was in service still 😁

[@nicksiegfried4906]

The F-15C needs a high-fidelity rework. Kinda sad to see arguably the most successful US fighter in the last half decade not get the love it deserves

[@TheCol111]

1. Its an FC3 module so it's meant to be accessible 2. RAZBAM (i think) are working on a high fidelity Strike Eagle so no point

[@ChronicDreamer]

@@TheCol111 RAZBAM is working on a HF F15. If you go to their website and click the F15E strike eagle project, you can see their development milestones

[@Goreuncle]

High fidelity eagle would be nice... but I'd kill for high fidelity fulcrum (modern variant)

[@ScrubIord]

@@Goreuncle Mig-29K would be a great addition, a carrier variant would make a great counter to the f-18.

[@spinosarcadegaming4538]

It's been successful primarily because it got the chances that the Tomcat never had. The Tomcat got more screen time, but the F-15 got more combat. The USN never actually used the Tomcat to its full A2A potential, since they primarily used the AIM-7 instead of the AIM-54 when the Tomcat did get a chance to fire in anger. I expect that had it been given the same chance the F-15 had, particularly in the Gulf War and if Israel had bought it, then the Tomcat would have combat scores that rival the F-15 today. Unfortunately that only happened in Iran, where the numbers are disputed, but the Iranian scores would probably have more than carried over to the US Tomcats given the better pilot training and maintenance, along with AWACS support that US jets enjoy.

[@uglyigor3055]

I can't even explain how helpful a real overview about those modules is for me as a starter. Everyone always says whatsever you like and want to fly. But I think most beginners don't even know that yet. So a general overview is very much appreciated. It doesn't even need to be too much in details. Because as said most beginners don't understand all of that. But a general overview about the modules and what you can and can't do with them is soo helpful for me. Thanks alot.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

my pleasure glad you found it useful/helpful.

[@rebelbase3006]

I totally agree with you on that sir. Being said I will start off with the f18c module. And purchase the f18 throttle, flight stick , and combat/landing modules.

[@MrMDanny]

Bro why u be ugly though? Everyone's beautiful

[@thecolter]

"The AIM-54's other notable strengths are its ability to immediately track without TWS support along with tracking through mountains and other terrain. An amazing feat for a 1970's era missle."

[@jemarcatubig3171]

In DCS atleast... We didnt get to see it in realife sadly

[@Erv704]

Yes sir!!

[@JETZcorp]

Meh. It's so easy to notch though.

[@joachimsinzobahamvya455]

@@jemarcatubig3171 Iran did::

[@nbn461]

@@jemarcatubig3171 Iran were actually really successful with the 54s, one pilot had a 80% hit rate with it and out of a dozen or so adversaries he had downed 8 were done by Phoenixes.

[@Quentor33]

Mirage 2000C left the chat Mirage 2000-5 wants to join ...

[@RedSky1895]

This is how I feel about DCS right now.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Rafale lurking...

[@Takarde]

MICA > all ^^

[@thomasbessis2809]

@@Takarde idk man, I think we'll be a bit dissapointed by the range. Although the maneuverability will be nice

[@nbn461]

@@thomasbessis2809 i still think a High Fidelity F4E or EJ Phantom would be a great addition with the current lineup.

[@NefariousKoel]

Remember: The Jeff didn't kill himself.

[@tadficuscactus]

The media just didn't cover that story. I can't understand why.

[@breeze9076]

im conused can you explain

[@nbn461]

@@breeze9076 i'd like to but i'll just get shot down again.

[@areallybigdwarf4560]

remember : jeff is not dead, prison and capital punishment is for you, not for them.

[@breeze9076]

@@areallybigdwarf4560 I'm confused what you guys are talking about

[@theaceofspades485]

Got to #2 spot and was like fkkk the F-16 didn't make the cut. Growling Sidewinder: *Coming in at #1*

[@ex-muslimraj8652]

I think, personally, Su27 or Su30 Deserved that spot...

[@bush_wookie_9606]

F14 should be number 1 simply because it's the sexiest plane ever made

[@yes-rq4dg]

Fact

[@user-xo5zh9xb5b]

Bush_wookie_960 ## #words

[@vczs]

Fact? I don't know. Surely it's one of the best but Phantom has a special place in my heart to be honest.

[@joseywales898]

F22 ......Is the bad boy in looks.

[@Not_Noodl]

What about the Su-25? Thats a amazing Aircraft

[@KLRGT500KR]

F-14B was developed in the mid 80s(which is really an F-14A with 60,000 lbsf of thrust) and the last iteration of F-14 was the F-14D Super Tomcat in 1993. It is the only one here that stopped being developed in early 90s and it is still one of the top 3 best one's. The airframe was so ahead of its time. Imagine what F-14 would have been today with more modern avionics, even better radar and with the most modern technology like HMCS and new missiles and with new version of the GE-110 engine. It would have been simply unbeatable.

[@MrZockerfreak11]

The DCS one is just bugged to hell and has magically tracking missiles. If it was not for its bugs, it would be pretty low tier in a 2000s environment for a few reasons: - AIM-54 slow acceleration makes it sl that you can not reliably win a 1v1 engagement and need tactics to kill people, however F-14 is missing tools like a good IRST or fast accelerating missiles like the flanker. - Old radar and massive workload. If you ever combine any fighter into a flight with the DCS F-14, you will find it to be hell on earth to coordinate and push with it. It just takes a lot of time to gain SA and can not keep up with the decisionmaking pace of other fighters. On top of that TWS tracks and thus long AIM-54 are easily trashed without any hard defense, the bugged DCS missiles aside. - Very low sortie rate and needs a lot of room to reset. Not good for quick scrambles against very close bandits to an airfield due to issues stated above. In an 80s environment with only semi active and slower missiles like R-24R around its excellent. In a 90s environment with AIM-120B, R-27ER, and soviet SPO-15 RWR that cant reliably differentiate between 14 and other teen fighters its also still pretty good. But after that since it never got the AIM-120 and was not designed with modern 4th gen combat in mind its weaknesses start to show. In an unrestricted environment its only top tier in his list due to the bugs that he mentioned.

[@MrZockerfreak11]

Whiskey's Gaming Lounge AIM-7 has less speed than any active or other semi active missile a 1990s opponent would use. Only within one mile or so is the aim-7 even more maneuverable and reaches the opponent slightly faster (than phoenix, not amraam or R-27!), but youre almost gunning him at that point. With the fixes, the bandit would just make a 4 second 90 degree turn, fly that for a short time, and immedeatly turn back in, while staying high, trashing your missile either by breaking your supporting lock with ECM or notching. The phoenix will go to last known and miss.

[@jeffcrowell3457]

@@Whiskey11Gaming AIM-54 had 2 modes in real--long-range, and dogfight. Normal mode, at launch it pitches up, climbs to 100k feet and runs out to the target at mach 5, then dives coasting in terminal mode. Intercept phase occurs after motor burnout, so no smoke plume to help bad guy dodge. Not super high energy, but you can't dodge what you can't see, and it only goes active inside 5 miles. RWRs only give you bearing, not elevation... Dogfight mode, it comes off the rail active and you have an instant 1000-pound wingman. Bad Guy has to fight the missile while you maneuver to kill him.

[@gosajd1736]

ST21

[@tippuhassan70]

Interesting to note that the top 2 fighters F16 and JF17s were both designed by including fighter pilots in the design of the planes. This is why they fly so well and are so formidable.

[@bossprime5798]

Wym?

[@ghandiosa]

@@bossprime5798 F-16 and JF-17 were designed by fighter pilots, which is why they perform so well

[@tflashtube]

I find it incredible how DCS allows you to "feel" the difference between these aircraft. You immediately get the athletic, brutal nature of the F-16 and you know that it will make your day!

[@Elthenar]

It's going to be an interesting day when they put the F-15EX in here. Laughs in 22 AMRAAMs.

[@ryz_vik]

fuckin missile depot lmfao

[@TheKenji2221]

Honorable mentions: Mirage 2000: Deadly in dogfight. Still holds up in Fox 1 / Fox 2 fights MiG 29: Good overall, but not as much as the others mentionned. It has a helmet sight tho.

[@alternosfericul6058]

Um,I never played DCS,but shouldn't the su 27 flanker be among these?

[@captainhepp1980]

@@alternosfericul6058 Most Russian Su-27s aren't Fox-3 capable, so the same is true in DCS. To compensate, they introduced a Chinese copy that is, but missile range is very limited compared to the AIM-120C that most of these other planes run. Otherwise, yes. Su-27, MiG-29 (the S is also fox-3 capable), and Mirage 2000 are all deadly in a dogfight.

[@eltorrente1021]

Mig29 gets wrecked in PvP though - at least in Growling Sidewinder's server. They have to sneak up on planes to be successful. Mirage has a rough time on there, too - but it seems to do better than the mig29.

[@nomad13371]

mig is dead in pvp servers because it has no datalink

[@lucasZr113]

@@captainhepp1980 noob here, when you say fox 3 and 2 you mean missiles right? Like what's the difference between them?

[@burningpotato9447]

Can you do a Air to Ground version of this?

[@isaquesevero4369]

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[@isaquesevero4369]

in CAS there´s no one that do it better than the A-10 , but all around i dunno , maybe the hornet or the viper.

[@AfroAviator626]

Sure A10 A10 A10 A10

[@RedPanda-mu1qy]

A-10 F-18 JF-17 Su-25T AJS-37

[@lucascorrea7386]

@@RedPanda-mu1qy i think jf17 is better than f18

[@Eduzumaki]

I never played DCS but I really enjoy watching your videos, please keep up with the amazing work.

[@spacemanfla]

The F-18C is notorious for having very short legs. Carrying 10 AMRAAMs it would have to fly formation with a tanker, EVERYWHERE.

[@ianboys1000]

The Su-27 has datalink (often missed!), a HMS, decent fuel and the R-73 is capable of HOBS. Very surprised it wasn't included. Also with R-27ET and R-73 has killer capability of target locks and shots without radar, leading to a lot of stealthy kills by planes that never see you coming.

[@philsun3706]

First,the data link on flanker is worse than the datalink on board jf and f16/f18. Besides, the rwr system is far worse than jf and f16/18. In addition, r27 are fox 1 missiles, and can't match fox 3 missiles. If you bring j11a to the discussion, r77 can't match sd10, and 120c not even mention aim54. They dIdn't even put a count down when you fire an r77, you need to guess if the missile has turned on its own radar. Other fighters can all do tws track and engage 2 even 4 or 6 targets simultaneously, while flankers can only perform stt lock, and fire fox1. R27et dont need radar, yes, but irst doesnt have the long searching range comparing with radars. Besides, r27et has a big smoke, if you pay attention you probly gonna see it. Although r 27et can perform stealthy kilss, but it is still too dangerous. I used ld10 to kill 2 f18 last week, but that was pure luck and too dangerous. in dog fight, r73 is a big advantage, but f16/18 has aim9x. Besides, flanker has lesser power/weight ratio comparing mig29s. So in dog fight, mig 29 is a better choice.

[@Cocokingable1]

Flanker is SEVERELY outclassed by not having any Fox 3 capabilities in air to air combat, most likely why it was not included in this list. We need the upgraded western aircraft in DCS to make combat more fun again, the AMRAAM update made it a cake walk to down enemy fighters, yet theyre still stuck with SARHs.

[@namename8207]

@@philsun3706 yeah yeah salty westerner. The f14 starts shaking uncontrollably from a 30° turn. Also the flankers manoeuvrability outmatches any other plane in dcs so it should have absolutely made the list

[@FallenPhoenix86]

@@namename8207 Fancy footwork on the dance-floor doesn't help much if your already dead at the door.

[@alexhebert2948]

"The AIM-54's other notable strengths are its ability to immediately track without TWS support along with tracking through mountains and other terrain. An amazing feat for a 1970's era missle."

[@flighttherapybullisticfpv133]

I frickin love the Jeff... I wish there was more organized squadrons flying them :(

[@AnimarchyHistory]

I’d say the Tomcat is superior to all other fighters at the moment purely for its standoff capability. It can engage first and if you use the AIM-54A 60. The missile you fire hits second stage at 20 miles. If you shoot that in ACM mode. You have a missile you can’t outrun. Only out turn. And even then you have to be really on the ball for that. And of course if you merge. The turning capability of the Tomcat is out of this world.

[@CHRISXTR3M3GAMING]

Thank you for acknowledging the Jeff as one of the top dogs in the fight in DCS

[@scottrothe4024]

Great timing on the video. Just got a HOTAS and jumped in! I am going to try and polish up and get to your level! Love the videos my good sir

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

glad you joined us man, welcome aboard.

[@PilotPhotog]

Love these top 5 videos and agree with your choices, you've made some killer videos showing the capabilities of all these airplanes. I learn something new each time I watch one of your videos. Keep up the great work man!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks very much brother much appreciated.

[@kurumi394]

>looking to buy the Su-33 >sees this video >goes back to playing KSP and WT

[@FookFish]

why though? you dont need to have the best to fun

[@dong9224]

I got the supercarrier (comes with the SU-33) and the SU-33 is amazing. Massive payload of fuel and weapons and really nimble in a fight. Lacking in the RWR and extreme long range BVR but radar has excellent field of view and skews a lot. Its low fidelity so realism is not as great but its a cheaper module, swings and roundabouts. Also SU-33 has air to air refuelling and fly by wire can be turned off (Cobra)

[@xepa273]

you can really learn a lot from the free su25t and tf-51. honestly pretty fun modules to have for free. i like messing around in the aerobatics online server in the tf51 and if you want i'd be happy to hop on and show you how to start it and fly.

[@jamiegrant6204]

@@dong9224 supermanouverable too. Can't wait to try it

[@StrikingRock633]

I just bought the SU-33 hehe

[@shipmate3577]

When I was in an F/A-18C squadron, pilots would tell me the F-16 was their most difficult jet to 1v1. This was back in 2003-05.

[@geraldking4080]

F-15: "Not a pound for the ground".: total air superiority

[@qiyuxuan9437]

Laughs in F15E😂

[@Kaiju3301]

The f-15 doesn’t have datalink only because it would then be invincible.

[@MongooseTacticool]

I'm always wishing Jeff had 2 more SD10s on the wing tips! The 23mm cannon will blow up most things, *if* you can hit it, but its designed for A/G.

[@nbn461]

I only do A2A in Viggens cause i think im a bit of a masochists, and i like to torture myself but getting kills in Viggens brings me so much satisfaction knowing im almost always inferior to any fighters i come up against.

[@stevelikesrhino]

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[@camdenmiller7369]

They call Me JEFF Dude im the same, I mean it is in its purpose an Air Defense fighter. It was meant to defend the Swedish airspace, but most of its capabilities are pointed at the ground. Which makes it sooo fun to murder a F14.

[@nbn461]

@@camdenmiller7369 just wished they included the JA37D variant into the module so we could get AMRAAMs and some BVR capabilities. But hey the AIM9s and the AGM 65s especially (seing it track on the tv and hitting air targets with it gives me warm feelings inside) is adequate for what i want to do with it.

[@sloppy-1-1]

In my experience on the cold war server, the viggen is superior to the migs, because it has the best missiles there and a very good instantaneous turn rate, so you can get a fox 2 of very quickly after the merge. And the stage 3 afterburner, the very high speed on the deck means that the r60 of the mig21 will have a hard time catching you. Who need countermeasure if you have the RM8A lol

[@josselin9301]

@@sloppy-1-1 What a bunch of Viggen fans here ! I'm in ! I love the Viggen

[@FD1CE]

Thank you. Wonderful and coherent explanation and exposition as always. I suppose F-15 Strike Eagle will get Rank1 as it has compensated whatever you counted as disadvantage for Eagle. Also waiting for Rafale, Typhoon, and Super Hornets :)

[@gijoe775th6]

Damn GS this top 5 is pro,good job providing information for anyone wanting to get into DCS.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks man glad you liked it

[@crazzylee]

F-22 Raptor is what you would think would take the number one spot being that its stealth and all. Not to mention thrust vectoring.

[@seancrandall1291]

I thought the same thing, but on the other hand, how much fun is it to play God Mode? "I pressed the kill button, and now you are dead."

[@fearthesmeag]

Until recently, with the free 1 month from ED, my hours were mostly spent in the Hornet (130hrs), until I jumped into the Viper - I've sort of forgotten about the Hornet now, however, I still enjoy aircraft carrier missions with it.

[@TheDJRen.]

I would have done the same except I would of put the SU-33 and MIG-29 in honourable mentions. Also u are my inspiration. Thanks for all the effort u put in these videos.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

my pleasure man, thank you for watching and supporting the channel.

[@moizmughal5363]

really glad and astoniahed jeff got approved after rigourious torture and test to its shattering capacity from you best wishes from pakistan

[@ColmVD]

In my DCS experience, a disadvantage of the F-14B is that her twin GE engines produce way too much thrust. If I'm not careful in a dogfight, she'll overspeed outside of the fight circle (like a trans-lunar injection) leaving my opponent on a decaying trail behind me on my six. The F-16 is superior to the F-14 in the high-speed energy fight and in roll rate. Against an F-16, the F-14 should keep the fight really slow (200-350 knots - remember that the F-14 has much lower wing-loading and twice the wing area allowing it to turn inside the F-16's minimum radius turn), let the F-16 overshoot and climb up with the Viper (with the noob Viper pilot thinking the F-14 is too heavy), here's where you'll make your money, as the F-14B, light those trusty GEs and pull up with the F-16 and the F-14 will have no problem keeping up with the F-16 in the vertical. I'm not only talking about ballistic vertical climbs here, the F-14 can enter a vertical climb at minimum airspeed and stand up on its tail.

[@meazy451]

LOL. Your complaint is strictly user error.

[@ColmVD]

@@Whiskey11Gaming The F-14B's thrust-to-weight is slightly superior to the Block 50 F-16Cs, but only by a small fraction. If you were talking about the F-14A I would have to agree with your statement, she wouldn't be able to climb up with the Viper however the F-14B is a different animal and could climb vertically with the Viper.

[@jeffcrowell3457]

@@ColmVD The B and Super were what the Tomcat should have been from Day One. But nobody in his right mind should go a-dogfightin' with 6 AIM-54s. ACM loadout for the Turkey would normally be 4 and 4, Slammers and Winders, even though I don't think the Turkey ever carried AIM-120s IRL. Damn shame (sniff).

[@njsullyalex2744]

I would personally rank the Su-33 above the F-15. Very good radar, good datalink, excellent maneuverability, powerful long range R-27 missiles, and helmet mounted HUD for launching the very good R-73s off boresight. Bonus points for being a carrier fighter.

[@badgermcbadger1968]

@@yvesdulac1871 yes but high AoA

[@ryz_vik]

I don't think the R27 is considered "powerful", but the Su27/33 can make up with super stealthy medium range fox 2s, Drewski did that and I'm sure some people ain't happy lmao

[@SeminarChauffeur]

The Tomcat can be likened to an archer that carries a short sword as a sidearm. The rest of them are basically like swordsmen ☺

[@QasimAli-to5lk]

I hope Deka updates the JF-17 module in the future to be more inlined with the newer version which has covered up a lot of weaknesses shown in the video Nyc vid btw

[@sigis72]

I knew I haven't made a mistake by getting the Viper. Feels good to have ones purchase decision reinforced by Growling Sidewinder

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

about to drop another video showing why the F-16 is king of BVR

[@zeshanhaider3336]

@Growling sidewinder... F-16 at #1 & Jf 17 at #2.. you are officially banned travelling to India for life...😂😁😂😁

[@tlw_3672]

Never had trouble fighting a jf17 in an f15 lol or a f14 or an 18 and 16

[@VAPOURIZE100]

Soo proud to see JF17 ⚡ 🇵🇰🇵🇰💪🏼 Can't wait till they add block 3 version to DCS with AESA radar IRL that gives JF17 170-220 km range for BVR missiles SD10 and others not to mention it comes with updated avionics and HMD

[@ozsharpener]

In real world you can almost be sure that PL-15E will be included in the upgrade package to JF-17 Block 3 as the 170km+ range AESA radar KLJ-7A needs a matching LRAAM.

[@drcruelty]

FYI, the 4 or fewer Phoenix limit in actual service was a budget thing mostly. It could take off with 6, but it would be above max landing weight to bring them back. They would have to dump them, and at $750k- $1m per missile, no one is doing that unless there is an almost certain chance they would be used. That would destroy the stockpile AND the budget very quickly. They COULD bring back 4, so 4 or less is what they would carry. This is why you often would see fuel dumps approaching the carrier. But you can only dump so much. Same thing with bombs easily visible during the Iraq war. Early on, they regularly carried at or near max load of bombs. But late in the war you would often see them taking off with only 2. No sense in wasting extra fuel and airframe stress for weapons you'd end up dropping in the gulf on the way home anyway.

[@dr.abdullahvet2284]

Cant believe that our JF17 is 2nd in the list.🇵🇰feeling much proud(:

[@mypakistan1254]

They should add jf 17 block 3 with helmet mounted display and aesa.

[@Mike_Romeo]

Absolutely but the problem is to get all the informations in order to make a simulation of the block 3. Pretty sure that the Pakistan government wont give any proper secret datas away to gamers or neighbours.

[@sohaibnaib1615]

ahhh man the F-16 i don't know why i love it so much like this

[@basicforge]

sohaib naib The F-16 has always been my favorite fighter since I was a kid, and the Mig-29. I’m still wanting to embrace the new stealth jets but they haven’t won me over yet.

[@DaddyKoolPop]

It is just plain old sexy with an attitude. Tuff to deny. [Salute]

[@cjmunnee3356]

I've been in love with it since I got to sit in one (while it was getting worked on) as a kid.

[@malikattaullah815]

@@cjmunnee3356 must have been quite an experience.

[@cjmunnee3356]

@@malikattaullah815 It was. I loved it. Even at 8 years old, I learned so much about that plane.

[@lowtech5380]

The Viper is sick. Good call for #1

[@joshstanton267]

I was actually putting it as my number 1, just out of obsession, and was shocked to see it's GS's #1 too 😁 ❤️

[@Parabueto]

I'm wondering if the F-18 might move up to number 2 with the datalink updates. Visually seeing everything in the HMD is insane. Ofc the F16 will get it eventually too.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Top 5s are a dangerous game, bro! Well done :)

[@user-xo5zh9xb5b]

For me if it’s a guns only fight: M-2000C, and anything BVR: F-14 Jokes aside, we all know the Harrier will beat all of those planes :D

[@landrean7315]

If only we had a M2000-5 with MICA, it'd be a whoooole other story :(

[@joec4106]

You forgot about the Christian eagle

[@wuschaparamedic]

A-10C!

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Ha, hey for what it's worth, the Harrier proved itself in the Falklands big-time. The UK may have lost the war if not for that plane.

[@Tigerhawk30]

I remember reading an article in a one-off magazine called "Killer Elite" back in the '80s on the F-18 back in high school; an interview was enclosed with F-18 pilots vs other airframes. As I recall, it went something like this: "-15s, no problem. -16s, it comes down to a lot of the pilot stuff". As for the Harrier: "Oh, we've killed a lot of those, too...he's only got one trick". LOL

[@aoao3563]

I want to start. Learning basic Stuffs but just seeing Your videos ... is subscribe to your Chanel. Great Work. Thumbs up from Chile.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you and welcome to the channel

[@pakistanarmschannel]

JF-17 Block 3 specification has yet to emerge. Undoubtedly, there will have to be a growth in engine thrust, but whether that means a move to the Chinese WS-13 engine (or similar) remains to be seen. More certain are the incorporation of IRST and an HMD/S integrated with a new AESA radar. The IRST pod may be mounted on a new, specialised hard point. Structural changes will also take place, with the incorporation of lightweight components made from advanced composites being suggested as one option. In any case, all these changes will make the JF-17 Block 3 a far more capable warplane.

[@FreeFragUK]

I keep looking at the F-14 and F-16 as a potential next purchase. I'd go for the F-18 but there's just something about it that's put me off, perhaps all those who have told me it's a "must buy". I guess it'll fall down to weighing up the likelihood of doing carrier ops, admittedly something that seems unlikely at the moment. I tend to prefer A2G at the moment but I could do with improving my A2A. Thank you for the overview, it's greatly appreciated and it definitely gives food for thought. Especially given the, arguably, multirole nature of the 18 and 16.

[@ghosttraintittiebeaan4879]

i normally hate transitions but these numbers are quite nice

[@notproplayer3649]

Everyone knows the best AA fighter is the mig21, literally drop an rn24 nuke and every plane in the sky is gone

[@nirvaantailor3888]

So glad I got the viper instead of the hornet

[@mro9466]

A single seat, glass cockpit F14 with aim9x would be perfect

[@rite.3839]

you mean the f-18?

[@jackozbloke5079]

I do believe they need some more REDFOR aircraft, thinks like the SU-30's with more advanced avionics would be really good, like an MKI or any of the Soviet/Russian models. Later iterations of Mig29s with improved engines and avionics would be very beneficial too.

[@eloydelacruz402]

No su27?

[@朱成-y5y]

Su27' s radar and missile are the level of the third generation fighter, without fox3 capability

[@tonik2229]

i would have definitely put the flanker in here, either the su-27 or the 33, both are very capable aircraft that are also fairly easy to learn

[@KaneGregory]

You won me back with the f16!👍🏽

[@rolandjosef7961]

Im suprised the the Mirage didn't make the list.

[@captainhepp1980]

I was too, till I remembered he specifically mentions Fox-3 capability... which the DCS 2000c lacks entirely.

[@TheJupiter1]

yves dulac the ability to bleed speed is why I love it and how I get so many gun kills. It’s a gun fighter with a solid heat seaker set up. The next video on gun fighting the mirage will probably be number one. Only way to beat one is if you rate fight and if the pilot is too stupid to continue. It has a good thrust to weight.

[@leeludlowart237]

The beautiful tomcat. Love to watch tomcat videos on KZbin and of course all of your videos. Another masterpiece my friend. 👍

[@alimaleki9051]

Hi, recommended to you watch Iran tomcat flight against Iraq. Or a book by tom cooper called Tomcat's dogfights Iran Iraq wars

[@aktionballspende]

Eurofighter silently in a corner: hi, loosers, the boss is in the air.

[@786Apex]

Wow, surprised that JF17 is number 2. Even more surprised that no russian or french fighter made it to the top 5. thought you loved the mirage-2000c growly!😁

[@MrZockerfreak11]

ilejovcevski79 Modern russian or french fighters have all those and even the fox1 is excellent with a good radar guiding it. We dont have any of these in dcs. All the russian planes are soviet 1980s versions.

[@786Apex]

@@MrZockerfreak11 correct pom the russian aircraft but incorrect on the french aircraft...I've seen dcs videos of m2k's & rafales...none of the typhoons though but that's pan european, not french.

[@battleaxes_raavan]

eurofighter typhoon laughs in corner....

[@joachimsinzobahamvya455]

when is the eurofighter mod officially launching?

[@nbn461]

Maybe once they add other 4.5 gen fighters would be the best time to add the Typhoon seeing most of the late 4th gen fighters are all on the blue side i think adding the SU-30SM/MKK/MK2, or maybe even the J-10 first if possible so the red side atleast have a fighting chance.

[@battleaxes_raavan]

@@nbn461 even they didn't implemented the the correct characteristics of 27er....it does formation with the bandit ....irl its deadly af

[@zdj1013]

Sadly without pirate, meteor and asraam

[@nomad13371]

its not gonna laugh for another solid 2 years.

[@alexbuss3377]

F-14 does have seam lock, which means if you have a radar lock on your target, the aim-9 seeker can be slaved to the target. Giving it some off-boresight capability. F-14 max speed is Mach 2.2 @40,000 feet(clean).

[@nanitonanito345]

The hornet is underrated..by most but at the airshow it's the only one that cuts through wind ..

[@markotdz9523]

Thank you for your work. Did you considered defensive side, e.g. F14 has big radar and visual section and not to many caunrameasures, jf17 has low caunrameasures but has heat seaking warning system and so on... I guess it would still be the same 5 but possibly some would change position...

[@aniruddhakashyap6906]

It is really surprising that no Russian aircrafts are mentioned in Top 5 list.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

their missiles just dont compare to the amraam so theyre not competitive at this time in DCS. IMO. hopefully they will fix the drag stuff with those missiles soon and we can promote some russian planes to the list.

[@macmusica]

@@GrowlingSidewinder you don't need to kill at BVR but use tactics to create close range. You should not forget to be a good pilot!

[@Hamidbaqi]

F-16 still has a long way to go and already tops the list! Wow..I would have loved a blue angel taking JF-17's position but, what the hell!.. I am a Pakistani and you are forgiven 😁

[@SpypilotSR-71]

I prefer the F/A-18C. The bug’s high AOA performance combined with AIM-9X makes it pretty much invincible WVR.

[@horrorflixurdu9138]

Jf really turns out to be a diamond wow

[@patriotsfan1236]

radar really is awful tho.....

[@patriotsfan1236]

imo

[@schwerter_1053]

@@patriotsfan1236 well it's only to be expected with a small radar, still I'd really appreciate it if Jeff has 6 bar search patterns and a lower lock-on time in vertical scan mode (seriously this shit is so slow I'm better off just using seeker heads）

[@greenglitch1390]

1-su 27 2-mig 29 3-mirage 2000c 4-f 16 5-f4

[@eltorrente1021]

Nope. Try those first three planes on a PvP server like Growling Sidewinder's. You'll get stomped on by good BVR planes. With your top 3, you have to sneak up on people and hope you don't get spotted on radar or you're done for before you can get close.

[@avramnovorra]

Can't wait to get my own rig and check these babies out

[@billburnett5114]

Do a top 5 for none USAF fighters 😂

[@standbysaad]

JF17 isn't American

[@johncamron5358]

JF 17 also is in block building like the f16...

[@Dan_Crampton]

No Russian aircraft? Would have thought the Su-27 would be in there somewhere. Still good list though

[@MrZockerfreak11]

We dont have russian aircraft in DCS. Only soviet old ones. They can compete with everything up to late 1990s on the NATO side. But no longer with 2000s+ weapons. If we had actual russian upgraded fighters like Su-27SM they would be right up there with the F-16 at least.

[@aksmex2576]

@@MrZockerfreak11 that probably explains why they "suck". Although in PvP it is player skill not plane, I have been ass wooped by j11, su27/33 etc in f15 no problem. O have seen PvP competitive where su33 beat f15s etc. So player skill is more important.

[@朱成-y5y]

Su-27 radar and missile are very outdated and do not have fox3 capability. To be precise, the old version of Su-27 is the third generation and a half fighter

[@rjake61]

F-15 crew chiefs liked to call the F-16 “lawn darts”. Of course, I always disagreed. MacDill AFB 1980-83.

[@bigtwinz3296]

Hahaha thanks for posting. They probably wouldnt be so cocky if they were within visual range. I love both platforms, but that is pretty funny.

[@Erv704]

Thanks for sharing. I've purchased the F-16 and I havent even took it out of the box yet. I will definitely check it out

[@adamhurst9491]

Why is it a surprise the JF17 is a capable aircraft? It is the most advanced aircraft in the game that isn't a mod. Is it because it was built by POC?

[@void_kshitij]

Did you guys ever tried Wings over vietnam or Wings of Israel ? I did it in my childhood and it introduced me the world of dogfights !

[@bobamarmstrong]

I played Wings Over Vietnam and DID F-22 Total Air War. They were pretty good in their times

[@kubanskiloewe]

my Top 5 regarding quality of simulation and accuracy of the module: P51; MIG21bis; VIGGEN; F-14; Mirage. When it comes for modern air fights sure the new models like F16, F18 are good but only the F-16 design and the Mirage i like to go in a dogfight.

[@kubix8049]

WHERE IS GLORIOUS SU-27?!

[@朱成-y5y]

The radar and missile of su27 are the level of the third generation fighter

[@kubix8049]

@@朱成-y5y Yeah... especially Su-35's.

[@朱成-y5y]

@@kubix8049 Su35 is only pesa radar, still behind aesa radar generation

[@rockpilerookies9527]

Two seat F-16 plus Conformal fuel tanks = unstoppable beast

[@mustafatariq3252]

Jf was basically designed following the footsteps of F16 and in dcs jeff is only block 1. It's impressive to see such a low cost jet among the top dogs.

[@morganwallace9669]

"slow means DEAD"🤣

[@5vFreeNz]

That's a truth of AA fight. If speed wouldnt be meter, than "Red Barons" would still exist

[@Tamburello_1994]

"Speed is life"

[@vczs]

@@Tamburello_1994 and the altitude is life insurance

[@Tamburello_1994]

@@vczs I like to call it "The savings account"

[@golollone]

So, i'm new in this sim, is just few days that i try to play...i lose...but i love it, tnks for your guide!!!

[@rickmasseur2008]

GS, great vid! Something I can meditate to!!

[@محمدراشد-ه3خ]

The f15 so beautiful this design is timeless

[@araizkhan221]

1.f16 2.jf17 Where are my Pakistani🇵🇰 homies👍😂🇵🇰 No wonder what happened on 27th Feb 2019

[@DaNomadLad]

Gaming Centre Relax...... Data link played a huge role. Don’t forget to commend the AWACS that provided situational awareness to our frontline fighters.

[@premkumar-uo9wt]

Yeah F 16 downed by Mig 21. ✌🤣🤣🤣✌. Poor PAF sucks.

[@greenglitch1390]

Lol it's DSC

[@MGM85]

No1 aircraft got shot down by a ColdWar era aircraft..lol

[@salloosalloo1165]

Brock Lignell F16 shot one Indian Mig21 Bison down and JF17 shot an Indian Su30mki down.

[@macieksoft]

You have forgotten about radar. Hornet have great A2A radar, TWS with RAID mode to get very accurate look at targets that are close to eachother, 140 degree azimuth, great for missile cranking while guiding you'r AMRAAM in midcourse, it shows predicted status of each AMRAAM so you know when to do turn and run (when all AMRAAMs are active), RWR overlay on FCR screen, good IFF, datalink overlay on FCR screen, 6 bar scanning in elevation...

[@TheDJRen.]

As I am only 12, I don't have a computer that is capable of playing DCS so I have to do it on a friend's. Now because of the corona virus I can only watch your videos. Thanks again. Also could you do a video where you fly the JF-17 agains other aircraft?

[@Thatgamerguy1314]

My first module was the f-15c

[@dielitclique]

MiG-19 is what I just started off with, very nice aircraft!

[@mobius7988]

Still hoping for some High-fidelity 4th gen Russian fighters. Then there can be some proper East vs West pvp servers.