Top 5 New Testament Verses that show that JESUS is NOT GOD

[@billschlegel1]

"For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead." 1 Corinthians 15:21 Let's not fool ourselves. A God-Man is not a man. We might insist a God-Man is a man, but that would be worse than insisting that a woman is a man and a man is a woman.

[@phillipgray7371]

You are getting it wrong about Jesus

[@billschlegel1]

@@phillipgray7371 Hi Phillip, I assume you accept the Scripture as authority for belief and practice. Are there any Scriptures that declare that Jesus is a God-Man?

[@phillipgray7371]

@billschlegel1 There's plenty of evidence in the Word of God that declared Jesus is more than just a man. , if God was to send a perfect sacrifice he would have to become a man to be that sacrifice, and that's what Jesus is. Isaiah 7:14 and 9:

[@billschlegel1]

@@phillipgray7371 "more than a man" is far from being Almighty God. There's nothing about a God-Man in the Book of Isaiah. No one in the New Testament appeals to the Hebrew Scriptures to prove that Jesus is God or a "God-Man". And, God doesn't need you to assemble them (a three person god is "them", not him. If you believe God is Triune, call them "Them"). Jesus doesn't need you to assemble him. Find Scriptures that say that Jesus is a God-Man, not something you assemble.

[@phillipgray7371]

@billschlegel1 Isaiah says he will be called mighty God everlasting father Prince of peace. Emmanuel Only God can be the judge and Jesus is gonna be the judge. He's the alpha and omega the beginning and the end. Who are you man to think You can understand what God is. This whole debate about whether Jesus is God or not. Causes division and we need to preach in the gospel to the lost. Jesus is the only way. The whole universe is made up of atoms. And there's 3 parts to an atom. You'll leave your mother and father and be joined together with your wife and be one flesh. Hear o, Israel, God is one. God is perfectly unified one being. Jesus said when you see me, you seen the father. I think you're fighting a losing battle.

[@Jesavae]

I really appreciate your channel! God is good! It’s so nice, every time to see others loving the scriptures and believing God and His son, Jesus Christ. Luke 6:12🙏

[@SimplyAwesomeOriginal]

You are doing the Lord's work brother! Thank you very much. Stay blessed 🙏

[@scottcatalanotto]

*John 20 : 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

[@billschlegel1]

This verse made the Top 10 (see previous podcast) :)

[@fleshasgrass9985]

Exactly! Once my Father opened my eyes to how Jesus fulfilled his role as the “second Adam” everything clinched together! The whole Bible beginning to end makes so much sense now!

[@ken440]

exactly.

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

As a former Word of Faith preacher and a former trinitarian I now know what it's like to make a stand. The texts are downright mean. I posted 2 videos "Question About the Trinity" and "Control..Is Not God's Nature" and the trolls came out.

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

I changed the name of the second video to "Questions About the Trinity Part 2"

[@neweyz3396]

Amen Bill Great Truth God Bless ! Anyone who has a Different Father & God from the One Jesus Christ has is an Idolator ! Jesus pointed us to His Father and God The One True God , No one CAN Come to Father Except Through Me, Jesus is the Only Way to the Father ! ❤

[@Jesavae]

Amen🙏

[@garrett621]

Bill, I want to thank you for having the courage to make these lessons. I've only had the chance to listen to a few of them, but they've sparked something that's been hidden in the corners of my mind for a very long time. I was raised in churches but also spent time in the orthodox synagogue for several years. My mother is Jewish (though I don't have a Jewish name at all!). I wanted to better connect everything while easily believing in the God of Abraham and Jesus as the Messiah. I'm still shocked at the carry-over of church culture into the groups of Messianic believers. That's not an insult. It's just endemic. Anyways, here I find myself at 50, living a roughly Jewish life but with no community at this time. It's lonely but I make the best of it until I can handle a congregation and all that we bring to such a setting. I love the orthodox setting.... but it doesn't include our Messiah, sadly. Anyways, I appreciate your line of thinking and in all honesty, I think this is the truly best way to communicate to Jewish people about the Messiah - it simplistically makes the most sense, especially to those raised in the tanakh. And it's helped me in that respect as well. I'm sure you've paid a price for this, but thank you. It actually brings me relief (and the eternal consequences are certainly not damning). The Lord bless you -

[@ken440]

tremendous comment. Try pointing some of it out to the poor deceived trinitarians as well. Blessings.

[@billschlegel1]

יְבָרֶכְךָ֣ יְ֭הוָה מִצִּיּ֑וֹן עֹ֜שֵׂ֗ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃ Psalm 134:3

[@garrett621]

​@@billschlegel1 Todah rabah :)

[@Hyperlyte81]

Yaaaaayyyy - bravo bravo!!! Well done man. I'm happy for this presentation. And so is our Father. That I promise. Well, keep up the good work. We are One - 🤙🌴🌺 Oh yeah, ummm....not to be arrogant, but I know you and your family are really going to enjoy some surprise blessings. God bless

[@billschlegel1]

Probably should be in the honorable mention category. A strange thing to say if you are God: Mark 10:40 "...but to sit at my right or at my left is not mine to give."

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

God’s blessings on your work Bill. In all my discussions with Trinitarians, they never have answers for the verses you’ve given, but only point back to John 1 and they say ‘case closed.’ I had a pastor stand in my living room, and tell me that reading the book of acts you’ll come up with a half a dozen heresies. In a very recent discussion with former pastor, he told me there are verses that are bombs and he doesn’t go there. He also warned that if I insisted on discussing them that we would end up not being friends. Truly, they have closed their eyes …

[@ken440]

yes, i had one on friday, he had jn1, and told me i was supposed to believe by faith. Case closed. I could literally see the shutters drop over his face. He castigated me for bringing disunity and division, as soon as he heard what i was, yet i had carefully fellowshipped with him on friday nights for 6 months impressed with my bible knowledge while i had been careful not to push unitarian on him. And i was the one causing disunity...... lol.

[@Mckaule]

​@@ken440few weeks ago when I touched the theme about trinity on a zoom group I was prohibited to talk about it anymore, it was said that I was causing division, and I heard all the same trinitarian ranting, John 1:1, that people worshipped him what means he's God, e.y.c. I was not expecting to hear it from this group particularly because they really operate in spiritual gifts and cast demons out daily. But when I heard this ranting then I understood that they also are under the same spell. It was hard for me to explain them how it is because English is not my native and people really have to listen and want to hear if it's really so, but there was no peace and no inclination to know the truth, really they only wanted to defend their uncertainty because they feel in their spirits that there's something wrong in what they believe. I was talking with my wife yesterday about all this and I realized that the accusation of causing division really backfires on them because of the doctrine of the trinity people get confused and start interpreting scriptures in different ways and that's where division and fractions comes. It comes because of this doctrine because if you believe that Jesus was not pre-existant and that he is a man then there's no more confusion and divisions between christians, because you read text as it is not adding to what is written. Sometimes it seems that trinitarians and Jesus divinity believers read their Bibles with eyes closed, it looks so unbelievable when you see how far they go to defend their idol. There're demonic principalities behind all this and I don't know how to get through them and reach people's spirits that they could hear.

[@ken440]

@@Mckaule blessings brother. My experience is the same. I have been trying for 6 years to get my many christian friends and family to listen. I had to leave my church, and i cant talk about it to even my closest friend who i brought to the Lord, or the ones I worked with in christian radio or creation ministry, they just get mad straight away and call me heretic. I think you are right, its their fear of what they sense is something not quite right, but they fear being uncertain because they believe scripture tells them that doubt is not faith. In six years i have convinced only three others. One is hiding it, and one has in turn convinced another three, but is now regarded as heretic by his wife....! Sometimes i think we should just let them stew, but I have had two prophecies telling me to focus and be ready, that i am to bridge people important to God, and that God has given me these things which i have been grappling with (telling me 4 exactly the issues i was facing at that time) and both these pentecostal guys were renowned trinitarians. ha ha. The first one i had gone secretly to the FGBMFI meeting without telling anyone, to fleece this stuff i had discovered (gifts misunderstanding, trinity lie, no dead christians in heaven, and the secret hid in God). He came up and said "God has given you four big things and you are uncertain.. you are a bridgebuilder, and God will give you one more. Its very important." and in 6 months later i found out about the divine council, that was the fifth issue, and it tied the whole bible together for me from Gen1 to Rev22, one big comprehensive good news. Its been a really exciting discovery all this. So i discuss it here and many other YT channels, its a mission field. Not many get changed directly, but a lot of other folk read it and a seed is planted. So the frustrations we get from hardened trinitarians seem tough but are soon forgotten in the continued interest of growing certainty and discovery. It blows my mind understanding the big one.. not trinity problem, but the Secret hid in God, that we are neither jew nor gentile but a new creation who will be raised and rule with Jesus who is the first raised to glory, first of many brethren ( thats us) in the age to come. higher than engels.. "dont you know you will judge angels" and so this is the blessed hope Paul explains to thesalonians, and is why in Corinthians Paul says "had they known (rebel spirits... bulls of Bashan) they would not have killed the son of glory."(they incited the jews to kill him, spiritual authorities and powers in the unseen, "ha satan" the adversary!! bulls of Bashan, ( psm22) ones stirred up when Jesus, the promised "seed of the woman," was transfigurred on their precious turf in Bashan, mt Hermon)

[@billschlegel1]

A respected pastor I knew declared that the apostles in the Book of Acts were "primitive", as if "we know more and better" than the apostles did. On John 1, perhaps gently suggest that the person "disagrees then with the author of the book as to why the author wrote the book." As mentioned in this podcast, the author tells us why he recorded the signs that Jesus did. It is so his readers would believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God". Then, for me, I always like to ask them if they know which "beginning" John 1:1 is referring to :).

[@Mckaule]

​​@@ken440 where can I hear more about what you have ? I don't have a clue about the divine council. I know that trinity is a lie, I don't believe in dead Christians in heaven also, don't believe in immortal souls, all this hell stuff is very suspicious because there are some verses that contradict what the majority believes.. also I would like to hear about what you mean "gifts misunderstanding" ? I feel that it could be just what I was thinking lately.. 🤔🧐

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

The fact the New Testament needs to be explained to "Christians" still blows my mind.

[@billschlegel1]

I got a kick out of your statement. :) The truth is, since we are interpreting written text, disagreements and misunderstandings are inevitable.

[@petromax4849]

I think one of the clearest is John 7:17 Also, your ending is cut off

[@SimplyAwesomeOriginal]

👍 👍 Good spot

[@billschlegel1]

Sorry about the cut-off end, and thanks for the input. John 7:17 is a good one. Sort of combines Jesus differentiation from God and that his authority is not his own.

[@nazarean]

Great video 👍🏼

[@billschlegel1]

Another entire "group" of verses that really should be on this list are the verses that declare that Jesus Christ is now at the right hand of God. Jesus is differentiated from God, and is at God's right hand. Here are a few: Acts 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently toward heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. Romans 8:34 Christ is the one who died (and more than that, he was raised), who is at the right hand of God, and who also is interceding for us. Hebrews 1:3 When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high… Hebrews 8:1 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We have such a high priest, one who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… Ephesians 1:20 God's power was at work in Christ when God raised him from the dead and sat him at God's right side in the heavens, Colossians 3:1 Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 1 Peter 3:22 who went into heaven and is at the right hand of God with angels and authorities and powers subject to him.

[@Michael_Angle]

Interesting that you don't finish reading Hebrews 1, which is referencing Psalm 45, in which The Father, God, calls the Son, God. And that that Son, who is God, laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of His (the Son's) hands. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Hebrews 1:8-10 Even in the Book of John, John tells us the same thing (John 1:1-3). That The Word (Jesus) IS God, and that all things were made by the Word (Jesus).

[@billschlegel1]

@@Michael_Angle Hi. Check out an interlinear (or, if you know Greek). There is no "he" in the "But unto the Son he saith," which you quoted above. The speaker of the Psalm is not God, but the Psalmist. Are you aware of other possible ways of understanding this verse? Why did the king being described have a God who exalted him, if he IS God? Then, if you are interested, see here: landandbible.blogspot.com/2020/04/hebrews-18-14-is-son-called-god-did.html

[@Captain8877]

Hi Bill do you have any teachings websites from Rivers of Edens ? You did a few podcasts with him on John 1. Thank you

[@truetrue4521]

Thank you shalom! I would love to see a "top 5 NT verses that show the law has not been done away with"!

[@Mckaule]

It's not done away because it's still in action if you live by the old covenant law. But if you live according the new law of life then you are not under the old covenant which was a ministry of death. Old law - must keep 613 commandments. New law - must keep commandments of Jesus a.k.a "love one another as I loved you", "there's no greater love than to lay your life for others" e.t.c. no sabbaths, no young moon festivals, no tithing 10%, no "no pork", no "no mushrooms because they may have worms inside", no "no seafood", no "no this", no "no that"..

[@ken440]

why would christians keep the Jewish laws given by God through Moses? If you are a christian then you are "no longer a Jew, or a gentile, but are born anew, one new man in christ. " In Genesis 3:15 God promised a man would destroy the works of the enemy. In Deut18:18 God promised a JEWISH man would be that messiah, and gave the Israelites the laws to keep them away from mixing with the nations who were cast off at Babel because of rebellion with spirits, to keep Israel genetically clean as a conduit to that promised messiah. By being that promised messiah then Jesus is the successful result of that hedge of laws to separate Israel from the gentile "nations." So the law was fulfilled. That they the Jews still dont believe that Jesus is messiah, so still keep the law, is irrelevant. Jesus fulfilled the purpose of the law. So as we are "IN JESUS" (meaning the same spirit that Jesus was filled with and which raised Jesus from the dead resides in us,) then we are indeed a new creature, new creation "NEITHER JEW nor Gentile (of the nations)" Showing this to christians who wanted to stray back under law is the context of most of Pauls writing ! the epistles !! You are born again of incorruptible seed, and "in christ" so much higher than angels, so you need not fear the false gods of the nations, nor do you have to produce a messiah, you are a son of God, brother to Jesus!!! The secret hid in God (Eph3)

[@Mckaule]

@@ken440 awesome

[@nephkiller]

Deity of Christ. Not a statement that errs. Christ is that anointing Spirit. The Spirit of the Father. When the claim malfunctions is when they say the human Jesus is deity. Many books should be written. You do not grow in Wisdom if your already it. What consists in being One with the Father is what Trinitarians should ask themselves.

[@joelambo777]

Good luck with that sir

[@ginamiller1660]

Jesus is the Word of God....He is God. Jesus is the Words that God spoke when He made everything. John 1:3 Through Him all things were made, without Him nothing was made that has been made. ....That is why Jesus is called the WORD.

[@billschlegel1]

It seems you disagree with the author of the Gospel of John as to why he wrote his Gospel (John 20:30-31). Are you sure "the beginning" in John 1:1 is the Genesis beginning?

[@Mckaule]

So Jesus spoke Jesus out of his own mouth ? I really the the very opposite, Jesus said that the words he spoke are not his, so how it be bro ?

[@ginamiller1660]

@@billschlegel1 1John 5:7 For there are three that bears witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit and these three are one.

[@billschlegel1]

@@ginamiller1660 Hi, out of curiosity, do you normally read the KJV? If you do, that's fine, but you may want to know why many (most?) English translations don't have 1 John 5:7. Google the Comma Johanine. Actually, I don't have a problem with the verse. The verse doesn't say that the Father, the Word and the spirit are "one being". How about one in agreement, purpose. "He who plants and he who waters are one". "That they may be one with us, even as we, Father, are one" John 17:11, 22

[@ginamiller1660]

@@billschlegel1 Yes I read both the KJV and the NKJV

[@ginamiller1660]

Colossians 1: 15-18 He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church who is the beginning the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

[@ken440]

have a look at what the context of Colossians is. Look in the intro page in a study bible for example. What is being addressed by Paul in this letter????

[@billschlegel1]

Jesus being the firstborn of the new creation (by virtue of being raised from the dead), Paul describes exactly what things are created THROUGH Jesus. landandbible.blogspot.com/2020/02/colossians-115-19-jesus-is-not-creator.html

[@huntbarkworth7949]

🌸 P r o m o S M

[@AmericanSteve-n5w]

Yall need jesus.

[@billschlegel1]

Out of curiosity, do you believe Jesus is a human person, a human being, exalted to God's right hand? Is your one mediator the man Christ Jesus, or someone else?

[@AmericanSteve-n5w]

@@billschlegel1 God is God. God is Jesus in human form. God is the holy spirit.

[@IIIIlllIllIIlllllIllIlIIIllIIl]

@@AmericanSteve-n5wamen these people are on their way to hell Jesus is God

[@ken440]

@@AmericanSteve-n5w No I dont think so and you stated your middle point backwards. You are there claiming that Jesus is the one God and god is simply Jesus own second person. I am sure you meant to say Jesus is God in human form (which I have found to be error.) Your last point if you said it round the other way I could agree with, the holy spirit is indeed God in us through Jesus as Mediator. Jesus is mediator because it was Jesus who baptized us in Gods spirit. i.e. "the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead, resides in us." Its just not a third person, its a spiritual connection with our father God, so we can come directly to God crying "abba father."

[@billschlegel1]

@@AmericanSteve-n5w OK, so you don't believe Jesus is a human person at the right hand of God.

[@sebastianyoon8051]

Did Jesus say/Where in the Bible did Jesus say: - "I am the Son of God."? - "Worship me, I am God."? * Answers: Firstly, words are cheap -- any conman, swindler, liar, opportunist, even fools or madman could declare and call himsef messenger/prophet of God or Son of God, worship me, I am God. * Secondly, Jesus although being in the form of God is humble of spirit/heart; he did not count equality with God something to be grasped. (cf.,Philippians 2:6, Matthew 11:29). * Thirdly, it was not Jesus but God Himself (the Father Himself) who: - publicly proclaims Jesus as his Son. ( cf., Matthew 3:16-17, 17:5; Luke 3:22;) - commands even angels to worship Jesus. (Hebrews 1:6) and... - even refers to Jesus as God.(Hebrews 1:8) * Jesus himself testifies: "If I were to seek my own glory my glory would be worth nothing; in fact, my glory is conferred by the Father, by the one of whom you say, ‘He is our God,’..." (cf., John 8:54)

[@sebastianyoon8051]

Before Jesus' Resurrection from the dead, even the Apostles did not fully believe Jesus' claim to Divinity, and there was no formal doctrine on the Trinity yet. Yes, on hindsight the OT did drop hints on the Trinity (eg., Gen1:2;18:2; 2Sam23:2), but before Jesus' Resurrection they were just puzzling riddles that did not seem to make sense theologically. Sure, Jesus did claim to be divine etc but words are cheap. Anybody can claim to be God... even mad men, conmen right up to our present day. That was why when they saw Jesus dying and then actually dead and buried, they were disappointed, disillusioned, scandalised. * 3. With the Resurrection, however, all fell into place.... the jigsaw puzzle began to make sense, so to say. The life, death and Resurrection of Jesus confirmed his claim to Divinity, his being who he claimed he is : truly God and truly man, Son of God, Son of Man. Faced with this new insight, this new reality, our way of seeing has to be changed. The traditional perception of God being a single absolute monolith has to be-rearranged for the life, death and Resurrection of Jesus had revealed and confirmed a new truth: Jesus is God, the Father is God and their Eternal Love for each other is the Spirit of God; so instead of being a single monolith, God is actually a Trinity, a loving communion of three in one God. Yes, based on mere natural logic this is impossible, even nonsensical ... but we are faced/challenged with a reality beyond our usual or natural experience... the reality of the Risen Jesus Christ. * 4.The puzzling texts of the OT hinting at a Trinitarian God too began to make sense: God is in truth One in a communion of Three. Yes, the word 'Trinity' appears nowhere in the Bible; the concept was finalized at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD (CE) after years of debate. It was an attempt to articulate Christianity's belief in the Oneness of God with the experience about Jesus' claim to Divinity and their experiences of the Spirit, in the light of the Resurrection of Jesus. But the Trinity is there all the while. We became more aware of it only after the extraordinary event of the Resurrection. Note: The Council of Nicea only defined/formulated it. It did not invent it. Analogically, gravity is there all the while, even in prehistoric times. Issac Newton who formulated the Law of Gravity about 300 years ago, did not invent gravity. He merely articulated the concept, brought it to our consciousness or awareness. [ Watch "Evidence for the Resurrection (Dr. William Lane Craig)" on KZbin kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGnPnKirnbuehas

[@gerard1954]

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God . ….. and the word became flesh and dwelt among us . …. I and the father are one . Before Abraham was I am. . … if you’ve seen me, you’ve seen the father. No one comes to the father, but by me. This is my son, and who I am well pleased. The virgin birth makes him more than just a man. Thomas calls him my lord and my God. Jesus claimed his beginning was not at his birth but was with the father always . Let us make man in our image . He also said destroy this temple and I will raise it in three days. God shares his glory with no one. God said beside me, there is no savior.

[@billschlegel1]

Your comments presents some of the standard proof texts for the deity of Christ claims. You should at least be familiar with why others don't think any of these verses claim that Jesus is God or that God is triune. For instance, type in "My Lord and My God, Trinitarians get it Wrong" on the search bar: landandbible.blogspot.com/

[@gerard1954]

@@billschlegel1being found in the likeness of man he humbled himself even to the death on the cross. Although he was fully God he emptied himself and became obedient.

[@billschlegel1]

@@gerard1954 People dishonor the man Christ Jesus by giving glory to some non-existent person/being. Philippians 2 is about the attitude of the man Christ Jesus, and how he was and still is obedient to God. It also dishonors God because such declarations attempt to declare that the Father is not the only God, as both Jesus and Paul declare.

[@ken440]

@@gerard1954 "being found in the likeness of man" is the same as saying "like Adam" (the root of man) in that he was new made by God, no genetic impurity from the preflood corruption left over from Gen6:1-4, or the genetic giant clans of Canaan, (Amorites etc Rephaim) but considered as Adam was, a true image of God. He is the last Adam as Paul points out. Jesus is the spotless lamb of God. He didnt grasp at equality with God (because that is what the first Adam did when tempted by the one who DID grasp and that was the devil). It means he did not make the free willed choice leading to disobedience that Adam had (self promoting himself) but was obedient. (which Phil2 goes on to point out.)

[@gerard1954]

@@ken440 1 John 5:7 for there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one

[@DavidRodriguez-vi7rt]

Let me show you how the Watchtower has twisted Jesus’s words by claiming he compared himself to one of these false gods in Psalms chapter 82! {A Psalm of Asaph.} God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, If there is any teaching which is crystal clear, it is that Jesus is NOT comparing himself to one of these false gods unto whom the word of God came against, and who are to be judged and put to death like men! These gods are in direct opposition to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit! Instead Jesus is the Son of God who does the works exactly like his Father, he and his Father are are in union with one another, thus they tried to kill him! What the Jehovah’s Witnesses have failed to detect and that I have learned from reading Psalms chapter 82. Jesus is the only member of the Trinity who judges the nations! Jesus inherits the nations from his Father! Jesus is God, not because I said so, instead because God’s word tell us so! Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

[@Mckaule]

So you believe satanic incarnation doctrine as JW's does ? Difference is only that they believe Jesus was pre-existant angel incarnate, and you say it's a part of some kind of triune God which is incarnate. This is denying Jesus Christ is come IN the flesh. This is spirit of an error and it's antichrist..

[@ken440]

Do you see why YHWH is called "The God most high?" Because in psm82 we see God at the head of His divine council judging the lesser gods. These are the ones who rebelliously have made themselves gods of the gentile nations that they were asigned to to look after, see Deut32:8. And God most high says "you will die like men. (at the final judgement and lake of fire) Dieing "like men" means what it says, they are not men! So that proclamation was made by elohim most high, to the rebel elohim. Divine council. (read your fav psm82 in Hebrew interlinear) And Jesus quotes psm82 and points out that YHWH (father) can call other angelic beings "gods" yet the pharisees react and want to kill him when INSTEAD of saying he is god, he says only that he is the "son of God ." The point being made is that Jesus is saying he is NOT GOD, and not even a lesser god !!!!!! he is simply a son of God (like Adam was) made for a while lower than the angels.

[@Mckaule]

@@ken440 as far as I see elohim can also be referred to men who are appointed and anointed to rule by Most High. When it says "you'll die like men" it can mean that they must not think that they are superior to other people and that Most High will judge them like others if they will rule unrighteously. Jesus became elohim at Jordan but he chose not to rule but to serve and be like other men. It can be that Thomas after seeing Jesus's wounds finally realized that Jesus now was not only Lord over earth but that he was also given all authority in heaven by conquering death and becoming elohim over other hosts of Heaven,except Most High obviously. Jesus became Lord over earth and elohim in Heaven. My Lord and My Elohim whom Most High appointed over all.

[@ken440]

@@Mckaule Hi. My understanding is "elohim" is a hebrew expression for a spirit being. You will find them being assigned over the nations in Deut32:8. It is considered most likely they are the ones rebuked in psm82. Cheers.

[@Mckaule]

@@ken440 so what I'm also partly talking about, Jesus became spirit being, life giving spirit, he inherited the same spirit as was his Father. We as partakers of divine nature a.k.a Holy Spirit can now be called elohim and we are because we are seated with Jesus in heavenly realm and have authority over devils, because we became elohim.

[@claudiozanella256]

The Occam's razor: Jesus HAD BEEN the almighty God, this is why He says "He who sees me SEES HIM who sent me." The almighty God has been able to look into his future and to do ALL his work in the past, everything. After his work was completed his power was no longer necessary so that God got rid of it to become like a normal man: the "Son" of God. "Son" thus means He DERIVES from God, He is not an actual son. Thus, the world never saw God "the world has not known you". The Son of God is now the ONLY KING of heaven "MY kingdom is not from here.". Since He is not almighty He makes use of the power of the Father, with his consent. To recap, Jesus is the non-almighty God.

[@ken440]

What if when it says "He who sees me SEES HIM who sent me" he means he is the manifestation of God. The image of God???? Thats what Adam was, "made in the IMAGE OF GOD" which means an image of the invisible God, an imager, a representative of God, a plenipotentiary (look that up in dictionary) Jesus is the second (and last) Adam according to Paul (which is why his death pays the blood debt of the first Adam) Thats why Jesus says "the father and I are one" and its not about being one God in two persons (believed from 325 till 381AD) or that there is a third being added (after 381AD in Roman law) but that they are one in purpose. Its about an unseen God manifesting in the human Jesus. Jesus says this when he says "I say nothing of myself but only (say) what my father does THROUGH ME.

[@claudiozanella256]

@@ken440 As to my first comment, it wouldn't be APPROPRIATE God having REAL TIME relationships with us. This is why those things happened in the past. But from that distant past GOD IS ABLE TO BE HERE NOW, however He is only VIRTUALLY here: actually NOBODY is here, just his power. This is why you can say that God is "like a spirit" here. He is the "Spirit of God". As to your comment, you do not explain: 1. why there would be an "unseen God". Why is He unseen? 2. why there would be a "plenipotentiary" person. Why? Does God need somebody's help, is He UNABLE to do his own things? Paul doesn't really believe that Jesus is God, so there's no point in mentioning Paul, he will always confirm your points of view... Jesus is not a "second Adam", the reason is that He claims to be the ONLY KING of heaven, i.e. the Father is NOT the king of heaven! This is claimed not in one verse, two verses, three verses... Jesus claims that in different ways, consistently throughout the whole gospels disclosure! Jesus crystal clear states that He is the only King, that He only DECIDES (!!!) who will enter HEAVEN, HIS REIGN ("MY Kingdom"). The decision is in JESUS' HANDS, not in God's hands! "The Father judges no man, but has TURNED OVER all judgment TO THE SON." Thus - contrary to Paul's belief - Jesus does NOT MEDIATE with God, HE ONLY decides who can enter into the reign of God. Jesus is the only One who gives the pass to enter heaven, this is also figuratively REITERATED by Him: "I AM THE DOOR. If any man enters by me he WILL BE SAVED. He will go in and out and find pasture." "I AM THE LIVING BREAD that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever." Thus, if you want to live, then you must eat that bread, i.e. you must turn to Jesus, He ONLY can save your life. But why is Jesus so important for our salvation, even MORE THAN GOD !!?? Because Jesus HAD BEEN that almighty God "He who has seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father and the Father in me". "Son" means He DERIVES from God, He is not an actual "Son"...(see my previous comment).

[@ken440]

@@claudiozanella256 that sounds exactly like Gnosticism. distant god, demiurge and logos. and you discard all the epistles, and obviously Peter too.

[@claudiozanella256]

@@ken440 LOGIC exists! If God is here now, well then He is supposed to have free will! Having free will means that in a current real time decision He is FREE either to pick option A or to pick option B. FREE. But if He is really free to decide now, this means that He DOES NOT KNOW the actual future: that future is still depending on the outcome of the current God's FREE decision. This is absurd, this is why God is not here but dwells in a different temporal dimension.

[@misha-elministries5246]

Bill is wrong Jesus is God Almighty. The Word Became Flesh John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. Only a few would welcome and receive him. But to all who received him, he gave the right to become children of God. All they needed to do was to trust him to save them.[b] 13 All those who believe this are reborn!-not a physical rebirth[c] resulting from human passion or plan-but from the will of God.

[@billschlegel1]

Hi. You disagree with the author of the Gospel of John as to why he wrote his Gospel (John 20:30-31). Are you sure "the beginning" in John 1:1 is the Genesis beginning?

[@IIIIlllIllIIlllllIllIlIIIllIIl]

Facts brother

[@ken440]

you missed out the bit about John the baptist being sent by God.... v6. So what you said might imply Jesus was sent from heaven, if that Word you claim was Jesus, yet another assumption. It might be referring to Gods spoken and written word, the scriptures which PROMISE a messiah. Yet the elephant in the room in this chapter is the clearly stated fact that the man called John was sent from God. So do you claim John T Baptist was a deity as well? Its more clearly written than your assertion that Gods word (normally meaning scripture) is actually God himself becoming a man.

[@misha-elministries5246]

@@ken440 Jesus Christ is the Lord thy God . Merry Christmas and God Bless you brother .

[@ken440]

@@misha-elministries5246 well no, because Jesus was "MADE LORD AND CHRIST" by God most high, when God raised him. Acts2:36. Like pharaoh did for Joseph. bless you too.

[@jeffbrewster4024]

How do you explain, i and the father are one, no one comes to the father but through me, and i AM

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

Jeff, I would love to discuss with you all of the verses you just sited but let’s start with I and my father are one. Did you know that when Jesus was saying *I am my father are one* he was using an idiom that he uses again later in prayer asking that we be one in the father like he is? John 17:20-23 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, *that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you,* that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, *that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one,* so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. We have to be careful that we don’t read one verse and forget the rest of the Bible that has verses that help us interpret what was being said. Remember, Jesus spoke Aramaic, which was translated to Greek, which was translated finally to English.

[@billschlegel1]

Hi Jeff, Jesus and the Father are one in purpose. Even John Calvin acknowledged this is what Jesus meant in John 10:30. Note how Jesus prays to God that his disciples would be "one, even as we are one". John 17:11, 22. On John 8:58, the best translation is "before Abraham comes to be, I am (he)", that is, the Messiah, but I think specifically in the context of John 8, "the light of the world". The point is, Jesus is making a statement about what he was at that time in relation to what Abraham yet will become. Before God's promises to Abraham are fulfilled, and especially before Abraham's resurrection from the dead, Jesus is. Here's more, in written or if you prefer, in podcast. landandbible.blogspot.com/2023/01/before-abraham-comes-to-be-i-am-did.html

[@jeffbrewster4024]

@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist I don't agree with your doctrine at all. Only a perfect sinless sacrifice can atone for the sins of the world. No human is perfect, only God is perfect, that's why he came to the earth robed in flesh... so that you and I can be redeemed and justified through him. Demons knew he is God and were/are fearful of him because he's God. The holy spirit lives in me and convicts me when i do wrong. Father, son and holy spirit. 3 distinct persons of the God head, 1 God. Jesus said, I am the way, I am the truth and I am the life. No one comes to the father but through me. I think you are treading on very dangerous ground. We are living in the end times. The Bible warns of false doctrines and false prophets in these days. Sort yourself out and get yourself right with the lord.

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

@@jeffbrewster4024 Jesus was perfect. He was born ‘the last Adam’ from the seed of the woman as The LORD God promised in the Garden. His obedience to God is why God highly exalted him and set him at His right hand. If my words sound familiar it is because we find these teachings in the scriptures.

[@ken440]

@@jeffbrewster4024 Jeff, in the bible we see Paul and other apostles point out "in these last days" and indeed they were struggling with gnostic intrusion even then 60 years after Jesus was crucified. The point is they say "in these last days." You have said "in THE last days" and you are making an assumption that the last days are between now and the second coming. The scripture writers were talking as if they were already IN the last days. Which indeed they were as they state "THESE last days." So that means the last days they write about, are the 2000 years between Jesus and the present. This time period INCLUDES the introduction of the trinity and most other things we talk about in church circles. The gnostics brought greek ideas into church life. Like for e.g. "separation of body and soul" and "three parts of the man body soul and spirit" and the idea that a Logos created the universe. Also the idea that the soul is eternal and lives for ever, which led to stating that the dead go either to heaven or hell immediately they die. Where the Hebrew idea was death was death until resurrected. So much of this modern church thought you claim here, intrinsic value of the lamb, getting saved by the value of the sacrifice, being good so to go to heaven, and the bad going to eternal torture. They are all greek ideas, and one of the reasons that Hebrew people reject christianity, because its true self is obscured by trinity, heaven at death and hell forever for the naughty. I know you wont believe me, but I hope you can think outside the church box for a time and study these teachings on this channel one more time, listening to what is written.

[@capncook2006]

Ok I disagree with the catholic stance that jesus is 100% God I believe The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are each NOT God. Only when they are combined do they become God. It's like you, you are a physical body that can talk and walk. You also have a brain with thoughts, personality, plans, etc. And finally you have a soul, a spirit gives you life and presence, thats why string into somebodys eyes shows youre listening because you are acknowledging the presence of their spirit. Jesus is the physical aspect of God, The Father is the "brain" if you will since he comes up with the plans, and The Holy Spirit is the presence, the soul of God on Earth. Your body and speech are not you, but without them you are not you either. just like without Jesus God doesn't exist but Jesus is not God. When all 3 join together that's when you get God. And in this a hierarchy forms even though theyre all equal. Just like your brain controls your body The Father controls The Son. That doesn't mean the son is not part of God that just means he answers to a part that controls him. There are many verses that reference the trinity Matthew 28:19. John 6:27. Romans 1:7. Romans 9:5. But what catholics dont understand is that all of these verses support the 1/3 trinity I have described here not the 100/100/100 trinity they believe. also in genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." God is an US, meaning multiple beings. To say God is just one would make this and the other verses lies.

[@ken440]

who you talking to? I dont see many Catholics around here?

[@capncook2006]

maybe you should open your eyes @@ken440

[@phillipgray7371]

He was in the flesh and empty himself of all his Godness Jesus is Yahweh Who did Jacob wrestle with? Who did Abraham eat with? Who did Abraham bargain with not to destroy Sodom? Who was in the fire with The 3 Hebrews? Who called down fire from the Lord in heaven in the destruction of Sodom and gamora. Who was David referring to when he said the Lord said to my Lord. Who was Isaiah, referring to when he said everlasting father Prince of peace. Who is Emmanuel? Who thinks he can conceive what God is. God said let us make man in our image. God is a perfectly unified, If God is love in all Eternity What does he love?

[@ken440]

where does it say he empty himself of Godness??? do you have a scripture? I have never seen it.

[@phillipgray7371]

@@ken440 Philippians, 2 :7 Now answer some of my questions.

[@ken440]

@@phillipgray7371 alright, first issue phil2:6-7 etc, is that Jesus "did not grasp at equality with God" because that was the sin of the devil, and the sin of Adam once tempted by said enemy of God, to eat of the fruit of knowledge, so "become Just like us" as God said. Jesus is said elsewhere in scripture to be the "second Adam" this time obedient. He is the one where it says "by one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and through sin death, and by one MAN life (the second this time obedient Adam, the man Jesus) i.e. one man wrecks it and the second man fixes it. I will see what other questions you asked after lunch.

[@phillipgray7371]

@ken440 That's right, Yahweh, became a man. To be the last Adam. And he humbled himself. He empty out him self Became flesh born of a Virgin. Without a sin nature. The perfect image of God. In human form. Only God himself could provide the lamb. That is good enough to justify me.

[@ken440]

1.who did Jacob wrestle with? AN ANGEL. States it plainly in Genesis. 2.Who did Abe eat with ? AN ANGEL. (it states the other two were, so just because it "doesnt" say the third one was, gives no license to claim anything else.) 3.Who did Abe bargain with? ditto, an ANGEL (see above) 4.Who was in the fire with the three? AN ANGEL. (By the way the burning bush incident, the voice that said "IAM THE ONE" that was also an ANGEL, it is stated in Stevens testimony) 5.Who called down fire? It doesnt say who called, but it does say the LORD of Israel RAINED DOWN FIRE. (so that would be YHWH, LORD of Israel and the one who called Abraham) 6.Who did David refer to? He said "The LORD said to My Lord" and in Hebrew this is "Adonai" (YHWH) said to my "Adon" (Messiah) . (this is a prophetic utterance future tense.) 7.Who was Isaiah speaking about? Is9:6? About YHWH in the position of authority in charge in the section you quoted. (Hebrew 'pele jöez el gibbor abi ad sar shalom ' which is in translation.... “:Wonderful in Council is God Almighty /everlasting Father Ruler of Peace.” 8.Who is Emmanuel? Mat1:23 This is Jesus, "God with us" (Jesus says he only does and says what God says through him, he is manifesting God, he represents God, he is the one sent.) i.e. Jesus manifests God who is invisible, so Jesus represents "God with us." (look up "Plenipotentiary" in a dictionary) 9.Who thinks he can conceiver what God is? Seems like trinitarians, they have creeds by the screeds saying stuff. e.g. Athanasian creed. Athanasius thought he could conceive God. 10.God said "let us make man in OUR image." And as head of His council of uncountable angels (the ones who sang and shouted with joy) he spoke to them. Next verse "and so HE created." 11. What does God love? The creation and man. The things that the dragon wrecked (thats why He sent his son into the world, not the planet) (Strongs 165 "world" is greek aieon, which means "age") So I see in every one of those 11 items you are making unwritten assumptions that each one is Jesus, your personal theology. These are speculation from religious tradition. Not one is seen written within your stated questions. Meaning that is what you are IMPLYING. A tenuous hold on truth. Try reading Acts2:36. John17:3 1Tim2:5. and the points made in this video!

[@KellyMurdock-nh7pu]

Three thousand yrs and still trying to disprove his divination.. I am the way the truth and the LIFE ! Who else has the power over life and death, but Jesus ? If you've seen me you've seen the father ! Why not show your face Bill ? Try something other than a catholic Bible !

[@ken440]

where you get the catholic idea from? seems he is strongly defending a hebrew bible concept. Its the trinitarians who catholocize unwittingly.

[@billschlegel1]

You can see my face to the left of my comment, or there are lots of videos on youtube where I'm teaching "live".

[@KellyMurdock-nh7pu]

No thanks to the invite, you are of your father the devil !

[@KellyMurdock-nh7pu]

@@ken440 The Hebrews as you call them the Bible clearly states your house has been left unto you desolate ! And catholisism has created a whole new jew !

[@eddieyoung2104]

If you believe you have the truth, then you shouldn't need to resort to unnecessary personal criticism. The Pharisees did this to Jesus, because they could only display evil fruit. But if you believe yourself a true disciple then you should be trying to display good fruit. The comment section can be best used by providing proper scripture arguments without needing to run people down.

[@DavidRodriguez-vi7rt]

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

[@ken440]

in the beginning was the second person of the trinity. And the second person of the trinity was WITH the first person of the trinity. And the second person of the trinity WAS THE first person of the trinity. aaaagh that doesnt work. so how come it only works in english when you put a capital W on word?

[@ken440]

David, why do you assume that "The Word" is Jesus? and what "beginning" are you talking about? It could be that "the word" is a reference to Hebrew scripture, which is all about the promised messiah. And "the beginning" might be the same beginning that Mark and Luke start their gospel account with, and "genesis" that Mathew starts his with, all three of which (oh and a fourth time in Acts1 from Luke again) which is the beginning of this change from the Jewish law, and the age we currently live in, the age of grace, the church neither jew nor gentile! i.e. the "good news" that messiah has arrived, the long awaited one who will destroy the works of the devil! It might not (i now know its not) be about Jesus existing and being YHWH in the deep past.

[@ken440]

well you make a definitive statement from an opposing view, and then go silent. As i have made counter statement then i pray in your silence you do some thinking before making more such shots at future videos which aim to try to get the religious majority better understanding their lord and head. We were all where you are now, once, and discovered an imposter hiding in religious clothes leading many astray. Beware. You have misunderstood scripture same as the majority have, the very same principle as occured more than twice in the past, especially when Israel, the chosen people, did not recognize their messiah, due to priestly meddling by way of religious traditions.

[@Captain8877]

Hi Ken what teachings do you recommend?

[@Captain8877]

@@ken440hi Ken what teachings do you recommend?

[@DavidRodriguez-vi7rt]

This is blasphemy Here is a new testament verse that proves Jesus IS God Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says, ``YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. Read the rest of Hebrews, chapter 1 for the full context. Image of God.

[@Jesavae]

Also Hebrews 1:9 Who is his God? Consider John 10:34-37/Psalm 45/Psalm 82 “Father…only true God” “God is a spirit” -book of John

[@ken440]

perhaps the trinity is blasphemy, so be careful brother David. Can you answer Heb1:9, the very next verse to your proof? Who is the God of your Jesus god? Its says "therefore ( a continuation from your proof verse) God, YOUR GOD, has highly exulted you....." So answer the other commenter, who is the God that the God you claim has?

[@sebastianyoon8051]

The concept of the Divinity of Jesus, followed logically by the concept of the Trinity, came about because of an extraordinary, perhaps even unexpected event : the Resurrection of Jesus - Jesus rose from the dead. * We believe in the resurrection not because the Bible says so, but because it was experienced by the Christian community (the Church). That experience was soon put in writing to complement Church's teachings and for posterity. This experience of the Risen Christ was passed down from generation to generations by the Christian community, the Church, from the time of the Apostles till today. The live experience of the Church of the saving message of the Christ comes first and then, and only then, did we have the wtitten word the Bible (The word 'bible' simply means 'a collection of books') as written testimony or documentation to support or complement the saving message of the Christ as experienced and understood by the Christian community (the Church) and for posterity. In other words, the purpose of the Bible is to complement or to support the teachings of the Church as passed down from our Lord Jesus Christ to the Apostles. It was because of the Church that we have the Bible, and NOT because of the Bible that we have the Church. Thus, the Bible is to be read and understood according to the teachings and original intent of the Church. Any selective reading or cherry-picking of verses to support one's pet theme that are *contrary* to the Church experience (oral traditions) and teachings (magisterium) is therefore null and void. Quoting the Bible to contradict the official standard teachings of the Church simply makes no sense. It's null and void because it is not according to its original intent which is to support and to complement the teaching of the Church.

[@sebastianyoon8051]

​@elimason7954 The concept of the Divinity of Jesus came about because of an extraordinary, perhaps even unexpected event : the Resurrection of Jesus - Jesus rose from the dead. * We believe in the resurrection not because the Bible says so, but because it was experienced by the Christian community (the Church). That experience was soon put in writing to complement Church's teachings and for posterity. This experience of the Risen Christ was passed down from generation to generations by the Christian community, the Church, from the time of the Apostles till today. The live experience of the Church of the saving message of the Christ comes first and then, and only then, did we have the wtitten word the Bible (The word 'bible' simply means 'a collection of books') as written testimony or documentation to support or complement the saving message of the Christ as experienced and understood by the Christian community (the Church) and for posterity. In other words, the purpose of the Bible is to complement or to support the teachings of the Church as passed down from our Lord Jesus Christ to the Apostles. It was because of the Church that we have the Bible, and NOT because of the Bible that we have the Church. Thus, the Bible is to be read and understood according to the teachings and original intent of the Church. Any selective reading or cherry-picking of verses to support one's pet theme that are *contrary* to the Church experience (oral traditions) and teachings (magisterium) is therefore null and void. Quoting the Bible to contradict the official standard teachings of the Church simply makes no sense. It's null and void because it is not according to its original intent which is to support and to complement the teaching of the Church.

[@DavidRodriguez-vi7rt]

This is blasphemy Explain how the Jesus laid down foundations of the earth in verse 10 Can you show verses that explain how Jesus was man and as a man submit it to God, the father, but you ignore the verses that also show how Jesus is 100% God

[@reubenrinaldi7091]

You and the people who agree with this video are completely out of your minds

[@billschlegel1]

Hi. Out of curiosity, do you believe Jesus is a human person, a human being, exalted to God's right hand? Is your one mediator the man Christ Jesus, or someone else?

[@ken440]

After 40 years as a trinitarian and discovering this gnostic lie hiding in plain sight, the trinity, then I see all who agree with trinity as completely out of their minds, except I want to help them out of the deception! They all began to believe in "another Jesus" a couple centuries after the church based itself in greek influenced Alexandria. Gnostic beliefs flourished in religious tradition ever since. So thanks for your opinion, but I see you as deceived by churchianity. The work of the Nicolatans.

[@Gospelman777]

I disagree

[@IIIIlllIllIIlllllIllIlIIIllIIl]

They’re evil

[@ken440]

have either of you actually listened and considered the logic of the comprehension of the verses covered?

[@Gospelman777]

@@ken440 have you considered the verses that say contrary? Why did they call Jesus Immanuel? What does that mean ?

[@Gospelman777]

It means GOD with us !!! Why would they call him that ?

[@ken440]

@@Gospelman777 It simply means "God with us" and to make an analogy a group of resistance fighters in France in 1941 get a couple of British commandos arrive and help them. They say "Britain is with us!" By your logic you are leading to, you would see the entire British Isles has just materialized in their basement headquarters. Hmmm? Ever heard of a plenipotentiary? Look it up in a dictionary! That name means "God is with them" as the unseen spirit of God manifesting (imaging) in the man Jesus, the second Adam (remember Adam was MADE IN GODS IMAGE? It doesnt mean he is a lookalike or the actual God, it means "to image" and thats why we are supposed to also be Gods image.)