Toyota RAV4 VS Subaru Forester comparison

#ToyotaRAV4
#SubaruForester
#CarComparison
This is a Motormouth couple car comparison of the Toyota RAV4 VS the Subaru Forester. The Subaru Forester is longer and taller than the Toyota RAV4 offering 2 inches more front legroom, over an inch more front headroom and 1.6 inches more rear legroom. The Subaru wins in overall cargo capacity offering 6.3 cubic feet more space. However, the RAV4 has 6.1 cubic feet more cargo space behind the second row seat. The RAV 4 gas model has more power than the Forester. They both have a 2.5L 4-cylinder, the Toyota with an 8-speed automatic transmission, 203 horsepower and 184 lb-ft of torque. The Forester is matched with a CVT with 182 horsepower and 176 lb-ft of torque The “best value” trim; it has orange accents throughout the interior with textured cloth seats and orange stitching. It has an 8” touchscreen, 6.5” is standard, Apple Carplay and Android Auto, a heated steering wheel (US top trims), heated front seats, a power drivers seat, manual for the passenger and reclining second row seats. In the US, the 6.5” touchscreen is standard on the Sport trim. The RAV4 comes with similar standard features as the Forester, our test model is the XLE trim which I consider to be the “best value” trim. It comes with a 7” touchscreen, heated leather wrapped steering wheel, heated fabric seats, an 8 way power adjustable drivers seat and a manual passenger seat. The RAV4 does not offer power passenger seats on any trims JD Power gives the 2021 RAV4 a quality and reliability score of 74/100 and the Forester 81/100. CarEdge states the RAV4 will retain 64% of its value after 5 years and the Forester 59%. The Toyota and Subaru are very close in fuel economy. RAV4 8.4L/100km, 28 MPG combined and Forester 8.2L/100km, 29 MPG combined.The RAV 4 comes with three powertrains, gas, hybrid and a PHEV, we are focusing on the gas model in our comparison. It has more power than the Subaru with a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine paired with an eight-speed automatic transmission, it has 203 horsepower and 184 lb-ft of torqueThe Forester comes with one engine, a 2.5L 4-cylinder with a CVT, it has 182 horsepower and 176 lb-ft of torque.The Forester shines off-road or in more challenging winter driving conditions with 220 mm of ground clearance and an x-mode driving setting which includes, trail capability and hill descent. It offers a smooth and comfortable ride, the steering, handling and braking is very good. The cabin noise increases when accelerating quickly but once up to speed it offers a quieter cabin. The Subaru is longer than the Toyota offering 2 inches more front legroom and an inch and half more headroom. Getting in and out of the Forester is easy with its large door openings especially for families still using car seats. The Sport model you see here which we picked as our best value trim has orange accents throughout the interior with textured cloth seats and orange stitching. All trims but the base and sport models, get silver stitching and finish. The Sport trim comes with an 8” touchscreen, 6.5” is standard, Apple Carplay and Android Auto, a heated steering wheel, heated front seats, a power drivers seat, manual for the passenger and reclining second row seats. The top two trims will get you driver seat memory, an 8-way power passenger seat, a Harman Kardon 9 speaker sound system, leather seats and heated rear seats. The RAV4 comes with similar standard features as the Forester, our test model is the XLE trim which we consider to be the best value trim. It comes with a 7” touchscreen, heated leather wrapped steering wheel, heated fabric seats, an 8 way power adjustable drivers seat and a manual passenger seat. The RAV4 does not offer power passenger seats on any trims . The top two trims come standard with an 8” touchscreen, ventilated front seats, softex seats and wireless charging. Only on the top trim will you find heated rear seats and driver seat memory.
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[@akalrove4834]

I own both the cars and Rav4's cabin noise and suspension leaves a lot to be desired when compared to Forester. Once you drive Subaru for some time Rav4's ride is uncomfortable and noisy especially on the country roads or highways. Also, Forester overall fit and finish is more premium.

[@Radwinskee]

I've been a Toyota fan and I've tried both. I tried the RAV4 first and then the Subaru Forester and I admit there's a big difference on the comfort, the smoothness, the quietness of the ride. I would definitely choose the Subaru.

[@trojanmoondoggie4582]

I've been a Toyota person for a long time. From Camry to Avalon to 4-Runner. And I liked them all. Very reliable and low cost when it came to repairs and maintenance. You really can't go wrong with a Toyota. But when it came time to go with an AWD vehicle of this size, I had to go with Subaru. I liked the interior a lot more. And being just shy of 6'4, the RAV just felt too limited for my height. Not only did the Subaru feel more open and airy because of all of its windows and nice-sized moonroof, but the backseat knee space felt just as good as the front seat. In fact, putting the driver seat all the way back for a comfortable driving position that suited me very well, it still left good knee room in the backseat behind the driver's seat when I jumped back there. I was pretty impressed. Nice video comparison!

[@frankofva8803]

This is EXACTLY the comparison I was looking for. You both did an awesome job, as usual. Also, thanks for always including the U.S. figures for us South of the Border.

[@SkylerToyota]

I sell Toyotas and own a Forester Sport. It’s honestly no comparison for the money the Forester is better in every way. Even the maxed out Rav4 has a poor quality backup camera and the JBL audio is not as nice as the Harmon Kardon. Save your money and get the Forester.

[@tipit0086]

My brother and I went to try both. One thing you didn't mention, at least not directly, is that you feel more cramped in the Rav4 compared to the Forester in the driving position, at least, that's the feeling I got. In the Forester, I felt like I had a lot of room, did not feel cramped at all. Quite the opposite in the Rav4, just felt like I was boxed in with not much space ! (Yes, I played with the seat position in both, before you make a comment about that !). Oh, and that engine noise in the Rav4 ! You have the impression you're driving a 1992 Toyota Echo.... just not acceptable in this price range and class of vehicle ! Although I don't like CVT's all that much, would definitely choose the Forester over the Rav4 (in it's current iteration) any day !

[@breaker1685]

Agree, the reason the RAV4 feels cramped is that even though its got a wide wheel base, the cabin is still shorter for width. The road noise is below par for the money. but the hybrid fuel economy is something else combined with the extra low down torque

[@bchavezjrbc]

Thank you this is a question i was having I appreciate your comment

[@happyhusker1163]

Same here

[@joebuck4496]

@@breaker1685 what does extra low down tork mean?

[@breaker1685]

@@joebuck4496 The one or two electric motors you get with the RAV4 (depending if AWD) give a smooth feel of more power on take off (no waiting for a petrol engine to build up revs to get you more torque to get you going). Torque is engine twisting power.

[@timbrooks6538]

I always felt that the Forrester was attractive without being over-styled. I feel that it will age nicely. A clean design.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

If You can simply ignor style....The Subie will do more, better than ANY $30k car ever built.....Nothing that size or price has the comfort or do anything, Go anywhere ability of the Subie..........Paul

[@producer.james1]

The 2008 Forester still looks very nice especially in 2021. Can agree with you on that.

[@stephaniearnold1740]

Subies are the best! Take care of it and the car will last forever. The Forester is a great drive.

[@redmusichouse]

Subaru makes one of the best CVTs on the market and it gets fantastic fuel economy for AWD

[@paulholterhaus7084]

I am a Subaru enthusiest..But My next car will be electric....If Biden's tax refunds apply........Paul

[@Honestandtruth]

@@paulholterhaus7084 Me too, When Subaru EV Vehicle come out, I will Surely try to get One.....

[@SquallRinoa89]

Owning a 2014 Outback with a CVT, Zero issues with it @ 137K miles. Currently I have a Loaner 2021 Subaru Forester Limited.. but it has the heated stirring wheel, harmon kardon speakers. I have driven in the 2019 RAV 4.. (almost exact look in this video...). I'll take the Forester. It gets 26.5 City and is amazing on comfort. Interior is quiet, ride is amazing and not much bumpy feel when you hit bumps.

[@spol1622]

@@SquallRinoa89 You do not have to add any engine oil?

[@SquallRinoa89]

@@spol1622 2005, Nope. 2014 I do, but thats the issue with piston rings and 0w 20 oil. I wouldnt call it a real issue

[@Doc1855]

I’m glad that you include the USA in your comments. We love our (my wife’s 19 Outback). When our (my) 11 Rav 4WD 3.5 V6 Limited wears out, we plan on replacing it with the Subaru Forrester Limited. The AWD in the Subie is far superior over my Rav. Yes the Subaru’s are, in my opinion, very slow. Painfully slow actually. I’ve considered another Rav, but being able to see out, especially in the rear (C pillar) is awful. The Rav also fails when it comes to their AWD system. I’ve been driving Toyota’s for almost 40 years, but the Subaru is a much better vehicle over the Toyota. Thanks again for your videos. I watch them often.

[@airmanma]

I bought my 2018 Forester based on Consumer Reports rating. No regrets. Best car ever. Subaru is awesome.

[@Motormouth...]

Thanks for sharing! - Andrea

[@travistyler3369]

i wish i could make review videos this well with my wife. i love the back and forth between your voices and the balance you bring to the reviews!

[@Motormouth...]

Thanks for watching!

[@jerinr1064]

I will go for Forester instead of Rav4. It looks cool both inside out and a silent CVT. Works best for me all nice❤✨

[@Honestandtruth]

Yep yep Exactly 👍

[@amazon7891]

Looks like an old school van from outside 😂

[@Doc1855]

Make sure you have your CVT serviced every 30K miles and it will last as long as your Subie does

[@gomze3056]

We just bought a Subaru sport. Yet to get the delivery. Looking forward to driving it. Thanks for your insights.

[@nelsonchoy3862]

I just bought a 2021 Forester premium model, with the brown nappa leather seat, it looks gorgeous! drive and ride is excellent!

[@artstar5994]

The Forester is so much more refined and better looking. Just wish it had more power.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

Drive one for a Month and You will forget Your other car....Whatever it is.........Paul

[@SquallRinoa89]

@@paulholterhaus7084 It needs the XT.... BAD

[@centraltilingandwaterproof9171]

After so much research and thoughts I decided to go with forester and Its absolutely great

[@jvniterider]

What is the actual fuel consumption? Litres per 100km?

[@hockmengyong3543]

Nice review and comparisons 👍👍 Hope to see more of such review !

[@cnobillbradley9673]

I just love my 2015 FXT 250hp. Freeway on ramps are a blast amongst everywhere else!

[@jtralongo1]

I think if you look at features for the money, the Subaru wins out. If you want premium audio (Harman/Kardon) and navigation, you can get it in the Forester Limited for around $34,000 US. To get JBL and Navigation in the RAV4 with AWD, you're looking at close to $38,000.

[@luctremblay1868]

Très bon vidéo j’ai bien apprécié

[@allenb4823]

Great review....always enjoy your perspectives and professionalism

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much!

[@tht8659]

Thank you for the comparison video, I am looking for 2022 new car, either Toyota or Subaru

[@roccogodino5663]

Had my Subaru Sport for a year now. Love it. The gas mileage is unbelievable. Comfortable and the price was perfect. 2021

[@Doc1855]

Roc, add a K&N intake and a Flow Master exhaust. It will increase your hp, torque and mpg in your Subie by over 8%. You can also do an inch lift on your Sport making 9.7 inches of ground clearance.

[@Blingchachink]

Aw tell us more dummy

[@yfbgca9492]

Great review and comparison! Actually I didn't expect this one coming as I remember you guys did a comparison review of these vehicles a couple years ago. You both prefer the RAV4 back then but it seems your opinions changed a bit over the years.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Yes, sometimes as time passes, you see things differently. Some vehicles get updates and others not so much. We thought we would do a refresh and compare these two again.

[@rodneydecormier1504]

It seems the Subaru products get flak over styling and features, but age better than most other brands. In my experience I have grown to “ love” my Subaru’s more as time passes. This may be proven out by the brand loyalty leadership they seem to be the masters.

[@YTW-rw6pr]

Just test drove both. Bought the Forrester really happy with it

[@limpunsing224]

Informative comparison review

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you, glad you liked it.

[@HerseyChris]

I had a 2017 forester and my brother had a 2018 rav4. He always complained about his (mostly that it was too small), and I never complained about mine.

[@vicp8772]

A review ppl need. Thx team. The rav4 touch screen is a little touchy with cell phones. Just letting ppl know up front. Andrea u have a boost blue civic type r colour dress!

[@kellingtonlink956]

Having recently driven the RAV4 for a weekend. It truly is a spectacular CUV... for the average non-car/CUV loving family. It does nothing wrong. Maybe ... a little noisy and is a bit floaty boaty for my liking. But it does nothing really well. You’d never find it in a Costco/Walmart parking lot... because its far to boring, common and generic looking. So I would strongly recommend it if all you want is Toyota’s legendary build quality.... just be prepared to give up a little of your Soul. Great cross referencing information (Andrea) and observations. Thanks for the video. (note: I’ve only driven the past two generations of Foresters (a friend’s and my Dad’s XT-Turbo)).

[@allenb4823]

Just rented one last week...visibility is not good...interior doesn't seem that good...seats hold you in place though.

[@kellingtonlink956]

Great for the average family though. I’d never buy one myself.... but none of the vehicles that I own/have owned I would recommend. The average family doesn’t need to be surprised by 4-figure repair/maintenance bills. I love the American trucks/cars and the Germans. But I will always recommend Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus.

[@chrisr6142]

Sitting at the shop waiting for my repair bill is more soul sucking than owning a Toyota. Earth is calling!

[@Doc1855]

I had a Rav 4WD Limited that I enjoyed very much, but I LOVE my 22 Forrester Sport. The Rav couldn’t get as far in the snow as my Sport can. I love the dual X mode. Yes I miss the hp of my 3.5 V6 Rav, but speed isn’t everything. Playing in the snow and not getting stuck is so much better.

[@Doc1855]

@@kellingtonlink956 , I love my lil Ford Ranger XLT 4X4. It’s my 4th Ranger. But for reliability, we will stay with Subaru’s.

[@BrantAerials]

I went for the 2021 RAV4 XLE Hybrid. No regrets. Traded in my Subaru Forester and I'm loving the hybrid's fuel economy!

[@SquallRinoa89]

May want to look at the battery replacement price and maintenance for that...

[@BrantAerials]

@@SquallRinoa89 10 year warranty on hybrid parts. It'll be gone by then.

[@Doc1855]

Brant, to get more hp, torque and mpg, add a K&N intake and a Flow Master exhaust. It’ll increase by more than 8%. Enjoy 😊

[@tzgaming2656]

There is a noticeable difference between the XLE and the XLE Premium. You guys have the XLE Premium.

[@Mark1Mach2]

Great comparison

[@SquallRinoa89]

Having a Loaner 2021 Forester currently in my possession from the dealer, I love it. Would certainly buy it. My past Security job had 2 Rav 4's... a 2016 Hybrid and a 2019.. HATED the interior of the 2019.. it felt stupid cramped inside.

[@Doc1855]

I currently own a Rav 4WD Limited. Yes I’ll be buying a Forrester Sport when my Rav wears out. My wife’s Outback is far superior in Subie’s AWD than my Rav. The Subie Sport’s design gives a ton more visibility and one can do so much more with a Subie than a Rav

[@CamboTriton]

Really like my 2020 Forester. Only change needed; is a larger cubby for a phone under the HVAC control area.

[@ranawaytosea]

agreed

[@jogzy]

Test drove both 2 days ago. I wanted to like the RAV4, but it just wasn't anywhere as good as the Forester! RAV4 was noisy, seat positions weren't good enough for shorter driver (my wife), and didn't handle as well as Forester. So now waiting for the 2022 model to arrive here in New Zealand in October so we can do a test again and then order one. So much shortage in new SUVs here, have to wait 3 to 6 months for these.

[@AFMMarcelD]

I hear you Joe, Cali USA is not much better, I’ve been waiting for mine for 1 month and nothing yet thus far. I pre-order the 2023 Forester white exterior with brown interior Touring. BTW the 2023 model is exactly as the 2022 nothing new added.

[@DirtyCityMick]

Rav will be noisy, expensive but reliable. I have the forester and it's loaded with factory recalls and buggy electronics. Still would take the forester as it was redesigned for 2019. Toyota just overcharges you for accessories. Real stingy. Forester nice and quiet and visibility is great from the cabin.

[@user-mz5tf5pm7u]

Can you elaborate on the electronic issues? Anything else you’ve experienced?

[@hosseinmahdavi2676]

The heated seat is so rare in Rav4. Also, the trim u showed in the video is XLE premium because the seat cover is leather and has a heated seat and moon roof.

[@Ausare911]

I have an identical Subaru to the one shown and have driven the Rav4. I thought Toyota felt cheap and way more utilitarian, which btw I planned on buying before it was released. You can also get way more, option wise, with the Subaru for the same price and the upgraded stereo it phenomenal.

[@johnnumbat9782]

Thanks guys - here in Australia I’ve owned 10 Subarus over forty years but now own a Toyota 4WD 2010 Hilux diesel for tip/gardening runs and outback trips which I think in Canada you would have a Tundra? - I’m looking at a daily driver now and have narrowed the options down to Subaru Forester and Toyota RAV4 - the build quality and ride of the Toyotas (Corolla and RAV 4) compared to my Subarus is OK but not as refined despite the shared reliability but I’m not a fan of the CVT and like the conventional auto of my Hilux - tough contest but might go with RAV4 - John in SA

[@alphadog3384]

What about the 2020 Forrester for a senior citizen? Heard that year would be good for a used car?

[@mountainhobo]

Manual transmission and narrower center console would make Forester really attractive to me, but I know I am a dying breed, both on stick shift and the preference for good driving position over hauling big gulps.

[@rljeep1]

I love my Subaru Forester. It is black with black and silver wheels. It looks very sporty and everyone comments on what a great looking ride I have. Subaru is a very safe vehicle to drive and that is another plus.

[@kohlasa6909]

which one is cheaper of the two and effective in heavy snow please? thanks

[@jamessimonds7362]

After researching,I believe the Forester is best in class. Also,the premium trim is the best bang for the buck. The touring is over priced. The limited cost almost the same,as the touring. The sport has the larger wheels and if has a rougher ride. The premium had jyst enough available options at a decent price. The base does not give you enough for your buck. We chose the premium with the 15 package. I may add, ours is a 2020. We also own a 2018 Impreza. We live this little hatchb back. The only item that we have with it. Is it is gutless. It would be a much nicer car if we had the option of a 2.5 over the 2.0.

[@trojanmoondoggie4582]

The Premium is often noted as the most bang for your buck Subaru. But I suppose it depends on what one is looking for as well. The Touring might be overpriced if someone is not looking for the extra amenities it has on it, including leather seating. But that's how it usually works. The more you add on, the more costly the car is. And the Touring does have quite a bit more than the Premium. I agree though that the Premium seems to be a popular choice.

[@Doc1855]

I originally bought my 22 Sport for the Dual X mode. Then I did other things so that I can go anywhere a Wilderness can go. I saved a lot of money by going with the Sport over the wilderness. My wife’s Outback only has single X mode which is all we need for her commuter. I’m pushing 60 years old, but I still like to play in the snow 😁

[@trojanmoondoggie4582]

@@Doc1855 Good idea to bring some Wilderness capabilities to your Sport. Must say that every time I see a Sport go by, I really like it too. It's a sharp-looking car.

[@TimothyOBrien6]

@@Doc1855 What mods did you make?

[@Doc1855]

@@TimothyOBrien6 2” Iron Man lift. Larger tires, K&N cold air intake and a Magniflow exhaust system plus Tuned (free flowing) header’s. Engine and transmission coolers.

[@chencuenca]

I hope you can tell about when it's snowing, flooded, muddy etc. Which one is safe to drive.

[@TheNorthenLight]

We do have 14 forester Turbo . And my wife drives it she enjoys lot. But maintenance is little bit more expensive than RAV4 .

[@fkong5531]

There's a bit of information online about the Subaru's windsheild being fairly susceptible to cracking compared to other cars. Is this issue only in the US or is this global?

[@alfonsoarteaga8200]

Glad I’m getting my forester here soon

[@rolandaguas2070]

My family and I have been Toyota and Honda people for many years but since 2012 we bought our first Subaru which happened to be a legacy ! I was amazed at how wonderful the all wheel drive handled in snow driving by other vehicles with AWD . We now are a subaru family owning Outback’s, foresters and just recently took delivery of the new forester wilderness ! I prefer Subarus for they’re AWD and they’re high IIHS top safety ranking ! As far as quality, durability Subarus have come a long way and they are just as dependable if not better than Toyotas !

[@TalismanPHX]

Hybrid RAV4 please. Great review 👏

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed it.

[@go86go]

The airy cabin of the Forester sealed the deal for me. Maybe I don't like the sitting in a cocoon feeling of many new cars.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

!!!!!!!!!!!......This, more than anything else is what will make this Your daily driver..........Paul

[@andre86w]

Same. Once I sat in a Forester, I was sold. The visibility and large moon roof just make it feel so much bigger than the RAV-4 and others in its class.

[@mr.t9529]

Not enough reviews mention this! I also don’t get the “cocoon” style of so many vehicles (ahem, Rogue)… I used to drive a Caravan and switched to SUVs and missed the airy feel and leg room. I have an old Equinox now and need to update to one of these…No way am I going to switch to an even tighter feel…

[@dgrGR61]

When is the Forester Hybrid coming to the Americas?

[@Gman450a1]

Thanks for the good comparison review. I like the Subaru but the fuel economy of the Rav4 Hybrid won me over.

[@SquallRinoa89]

Good luck! Works 2016 Rav 4 Hybrid needed the battery pack replaced after 5yrs.... YIKES and the Sulfor smell :X

[@headshot9611]

If you drive long distances hybrid is not for you the difference in gas you will put double on battery , do math before.

[@johneason6540]

I own a 2019 Forester Sport, since new. It has served me extremely well. But, the 2.5 NA boxer, it not enough power for off road.

[@mrthomaslaux1]

Which is less likely to break down? (Less recalls)

[@mehdizeynalov1062]

always positive thanks

[@westcoast708]

I'll go suburu on this one nice comparison you guys .

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much!

[@10OF9OFBORG]

I like Forester better. Thanks for sharing guys! 👍🏻👊🏻

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thanks for watching!

[@10OF9OFBORG]

@@andreaspencer9813 You are very welcome Andrea!

[@riyushouse]

I looked at both RAV4 and Forester. Decided on the Forester. Got the 2023 Premium yesterday! I'm glad I chose the Forester.

[@TheDon6]

How’s it going?

[@riyushouse]

I love it!

[@Jeo-What]

Thanks for the comparison review. I test drove the RAV4, 2021Tuson and 2021 Sienna back to back a month ago and agree that the RAV4 is unrefined and noisy compared with the Tuson and Sienna. I would get the Forester.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thanks for sharing!

[@JoseGarcia-oo4mc]

Thanks

[@arturobarrios8327]

Great comparison! I’ve had the Forester for a month now. I checked both before buying and both are great. I was not able to test the Toyota but I did get inside it. It feels smaller than the Forester. And I’m also in love with the looks of the Subaru. Overall, I think both are great, but I’m really glad I chose the Subaru and I always feel I made the right choice :)

[@Bob-qq2ks]

me too

[@marcreyes8399]

This is also a great watch comparison video!

[@Motormouth...]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@arunakalu]

I owned the 2017 Subaru Forester XT and now the 2021 Toyota RAV4Trail. Both are great and I like the Subaru for its cabin, you can see all around better and the panoramic moonroof is amazing. Now with the Toyota, I think it does cornering better than the Subaru at hwy speeds, maybe due to

[@9SecondStreetMustang]

Due to what? Say it!! Say it!! Ugh!!! Sam Kinison

[@arunakalu]

@@9SecondStreetMustangTorque Vectoring of RAV4 vs Brake Vectoring of the Subaru Forester. I just feel it when I take corners in high speed, specially on Canadian Rockies mountain roads. This is my opinon only :-)

[@georgejesson1944]

Waiting for the Forester wilderness trim, hopefully they'll put the turbo back into the Forester.

[@andreaspencer9813]

It would be great to get a turbo engine as an option.

[@Mike_44]

There’s a Turbo motor coming for the Forester, a wimpy ass 1.8T

[@georgejesson1944]

@@paulholterhaus7084 Very True.... So should most people wait for more lectric options? Figure there's gonna be a lot of changes within the next ten years. Guess if your in a situation where you need to get a new ride you can choose a Tesla or one of the other recent offerings like a Ford Mach e.

[@uwograd4045]

Then the turbo engine will fry the CVT and kill the reliability. Check the poor reliability of the Subaru ascent!. The non-turbo is reliable but underpowered.

[@Mike_44]

@@uwograd4045 If they wanted they could do it. The previous gen Forester XT had the WRX motor in it. Personally, I hate those CVTs. Go manual or go home. I miss the old Foresters. Everything now is about “efficiency”..

[@stephenhendricks103]

I'm not a fan of CVTs but I recognize that all CVTs are not created equal and the Subaru implementation appears to be one of the better examples. In view of that and taking into account the Forester's other pluses, I'd opt for the Subaru. (Actually, I'd opt for the KIA Sorento or Hyundai Santa Fe but that's another discussion.)

[@brianrivera7889]

A kia 😆

[@alancold1427]

Kia trash

[@SamTheodore64]

The basic difference seems to be that the RAV4 is a hybrid. For people like me who are in the market for a hybrid SUV that settles it. And honestly I don't exactly care about features like seat memory, etc.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

The Forester is the best overall, comfortable, do allmost anything car that has EVER been built.........Now, having said that I prefer the Engine/Transmision combination in My CX30, Which is also the quiestest car I have owned.........But still, it cannot do all as well as My last forester...........Paul

[@Doc1855]

I (we) currently own a 11 Rav 4WD Limited with a 3.5 V6 with 269 hp. It’s quicker than the Subaru Outback turbo and gets more mpg. We needed to replace our 04 Camry and having a 4WD or an AWD is necessary for our 5-6 feet of snow every winter. We looked at a new Rav and we’re Very UNIMPRESSED with it. We couldn’t find a Forester anywhere to test drive, so ultimately we chose the Outback. We don’t need studded tires on our Outback but we do on the Rav. If Subaru offers a non plug-in hybrid on their Forester when it’s time to replace our Rav, my next car will be the Forester Touring. It’s truly a shame that I have to buy the Touring model just so I can get a car without Depressing Grey or Death Black interior. Our Outback has Ivory interior. If we couldn’t find one with the ivory or brown interior, we would have bought a car that did.

[@djhartford4549]

I love both brands. My family are all mechanics, and we do our own servicing and maintenance. I prefer Subaru for a better quality ride, especially in the snow. However, Toyota is going to have less maintenance and repair costs. Both makers have an unusually high propensity to achieve half a million or more miles on the odometer.

[@Eric123456355]

What about gasket problems in Subaru boxer engine?

[@spol1622]

@@Eric123456355 Gasket was resolved, but they still take lots of oil.

[@Eric123456355]

@@spol1622 but anyway oil has to be changed in every car every 6 mnths etc. how the gasket problem was resolved?

[@navinprasannam]

I come from a Toyota family. My folks have always driven and owned Toyota & Lexus products. When it was my turn to pick a SUV for my family, I test drove both, and was taken back by the lack of refinement and quality of the Toyota. I picked the Subaru Forester with no conflict whatsoever in my mind. Comparing the Sport and XLE variants, the Forester is better equipped mechanically, refinement levels are superior and the interior is a leaps better than the RAV4. Between these two, I'd recommend the Forester any day!

[@jvniterider]

What is the actual fuel consumption? Litres per 100km?

[@clarencewhite6053]

NOT EVERYONE wants A CVT BUT,SUBARU MAKES A GOOD ONE. Of NOTE is one can GET A REMOTE START on the key fob FOR the SUBARU FORESTER(around $600.00 maybe less). THE RAV 4 will use their ENTUNE APP via phone...NO REMOTE START on key fob. FOR ME i like the cd player that comes with the FORESTER and the PANO MOON ROOF.

[@SalManila1]

Which rav4 did you pick?

[@kaylapayne1427]

I'm really leaning towards the Subaru Forester. I'm just curious, what car are you guys sitting in while you review the cars in your videos?

[@Motormouth...]

Our Porsche Cayenne

[@kaylapayne1427]

@@Motormouth... oh wow, those are beautiful!

[@sammyt3514]

Great comparison guys! If I could make a hybrid of the RAV4 with the Forester chassis, that would be the car I'd go for. Since such a car doesn't exist, then it'd have to be the RAV4; it's more reliable (regardless of the JD Power nonsense), much better looking (the Forester has a hearse-like aesthetic to its looks that I don't care for), has markedly better running costs, especially maintenance (which is surprisingly high on Subarus) and it doesn't have a CVT. There's a reason why the RAV4 is the best selling vehicle in NA.

[@ahmedayaat2727]

Overall, Forester looks more beautiful nah

[@larryellis1316]

Most RAV4’s have CVT’s . Only a few trim levels have the 8 speed transmission.

[@sammyt3514]

​@@larryellis1316 Only the hybrid RAV4s have a CVT, which are irrelevant since this is a comparison with the naturally aspirated RAV4 which does come with an 8-speed.

[@alansach8437]

All terrible reasons to buy an AWD SUV! Which one has the better AWD system, most ground clearance, and is least likely to leave me stranded in a snowstorm? That's why I buy an AWD SUV, not because of how pretty it is or what kind of infotainment system it has!

[@sammyt3514]

@@alansach8437 A RAV4 won't leave you stranded in a snowstorm and it's more reliable than a Subaru, which might leave you stranded when it breaks down, so you sound confused. At any rate, those are MY priorities when picking a car, regardless of the irrelevant drivel that you said.

[@raydingo7081]

Shouldn't they compare that Subaru Forester Sport with the Rav4 Trail / Adventure model not the lower XLE model..

[@scottanthony3426]

Apparently the sales numbers don't support me, but IMO, Subaru whiffed when they dropped the XT. I have a '14 XT Premium. With 250 HP and 258 lb-ft of torque, there isn't a lot of drama from the CVT when you need some push. It also came with 3 modes for the CVT, and they actually do make a difference. The XT added larger wheels, tires, and brakes, and a firmer suspension. I drove the pedestrian 2.5L on a test drive and compared to the XT, it felt like it cornered on the door handles. In spite of the firmer cornering, the ride is fine. 110K miles and 9.5 years in, and it's been bullet proof. Unfortunately, the orange accents on the new "Sport" trim level don't add any HP. The simple controls of the old and I presume new Forester are great. Three big knobs for HVAC (mode, fan speed, temp) and has detents all around so you know when you've hit the next "click". Easy to do without taking eyes off the road and a far cry better from the touchscreen nonsense. Am I the only one who finds it ironic that one can get ticketed for looking at your cell phone when driving, but navigating all those menus embedded on your 8" touchscreen in the center of your dash, is fine? No wonder we need auto braking and lane assist. Good comparison test though. I learned a lot about the RAV4. I like the drivetrain options, but don't like the "origami on steroids" styling. I don't think it will age all that well. Right now, I'm in "wait and see" mode, as nothing out there is really leaping out as something I really like.

[@KenSwiatek]

subaru has a CD player?

[@Cefon2121]

The Subaru has a lot of power from the boxer engine but Subaru doesn’t want to tune it again plus they want their cars to have better gas mileage

[@dha588]

I was going to buy a forester but because of the shortage, I had to buy a rav4. There were so many in the market because no one wants one. I regret it

[@colechapman6976]

I don’t really get whats the big issue with manufacturers placing their touchscreens higher up like a tablet on the dash. I think it’s safer since you don’t have to look down when your using the GPS system or something. I get the bezels can look ugly but to me I don’t really notice them. In my own personal car it’s a touchscreen integrated into the dash. I’ve driven my parents car which has the screen placed on the dash like a tablet, and honestly I find it easier to use the infotainment system when it’s right in front of you, instead of looking down below

[@JBB1636]

I think the touchscreen on the dash will become a projectile in an accident

[@breaker1685]

I agree, on a test drive of the RAV4 the road noise and engine noise was quite irritating - if it wasn't for that I would have purchased the top of the range one by now. Unfortunately, Toyota dropped the ball on road noise here - disappointing

[@davidcrist9021]

They didn't compare the most important thing, traction on different surfaces. Which the Forester is far superior at.

[@gjhoward]

They should look very similar. The same engineers were used in designing both of them.

[@chencho7083]

Yeah the Forester has a better AWD, yeah yeah the Forester has a better style, yeah yeah the Foretser has more space and might drive better, but Toyota's reliability, durability and reputation is like no other (had Toyota and have a Forester and an Outback). Will go back to Toyota as soon as I can...

[@DGamesForFun]

Subaru got it right. Awd cvt, lots of space, smooth ride, clean look. And it's COMFY. It's also cheaper in my area (north Cal)

[@orionobolon4380]

Can't do the cvt transmission, also engine if the subbie is mounted flat I think I forget the term. Anyways this makes basic maintenance cost more. I had a Subaru before a wrx. I was not impressed with the interior.

[@dgrGR61]

Boxer engine.

[@lindalindsey9089]

Toyota's are good cars I've owned a 2012 Camry. I wanted a Suv but couldn't go with the Rav4 . Toyota vehicle are so homely and old fashion to me.

[@phiromtauch6059]

If Subaru focussed on fuel economy hybrid market it would make all the difference.

[@genzigzag]

I'd take the RAV4 over the Subie because of the CVT in the Subie. That Toyota can get pricey pretty quickly though... right into the entry luxury makes!

[@ltwig476]

I'm taking the Subie for the superior handling of their AWD, superior comfort, less rattle and makes Rav look like a fool in the snow or wet roads. It is a much safer vehicle hands down. Yes CVT sucks, but it is not meant to be a performance transmission. If you want real performance, wait for Mazda CX50 inline 6, 8 Spd auto in 2023. But do your research on Subaru CVT. the real dependability data. All vehicles have problems. The worst problems come from their owners. Ive worked on all of them for 45 years.

[@tristanfehst9736]

@@ltwig476 do you have access to the reliability data? I'm currently comparing these two for commuting through the mountains. I put 60,000 kms a year so I want something that's low maintenance and lasts a long time but has decent off road capability. Cheers

[@tristanfehst9736]

@@ltwig476 my biggest concern with the Subie is the long term reliability of the CVT

[@ltwig476]

@@tristanfehst9736 To get an honest take on CVT, from a exclusive Subaru mechanic

[@Doc1855]

@@ltwig476 I have our Subie CVTs serviced every 30K miles and have never had a problem.

[@AmbuBadger]

I'm still holding on to my 2013 Forester because of CVT fears, but it's looking like they worked out the issues, no? The Wilderness Editions look nice, but I'd rather buy a base model and use the savings for a lift and new tires.

[@frankthechemist]

Got a 2014 Forester with a CVT. 220k km, so far, not a single problem with the CVT and I tow a bit with it. 7.6L/100km on average, which I find phenomenal for an always active AWD system (I do quite a lot of highway driving though)

[@Honestandtruth]

RAV-4 Style looks better.... but that's All Subaru Forester is Everything Better than RAV-4..... 👍👍

[@jasonprice9823]

As I tow a small fishing boat I'd stay away from cvt.

[@raymondleung9271]

If either had manual transmission with AWD, I'd be all over it.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

Manuals are out....Engines are out......Electrics are in............Paul

[@LMSVLIM23]

I would have leased the RAV4 Hybrid but the least rate of 6.09% is just so high. I know the Toyota is an amazing reliable brand but do you guys know why the rates are so high rn?

[@nickolastiguan]

@LMSVLIM23 Because they can - high demand. When I bought my 17 RAV4 Hybrid, I was able to finance it for 36 months at 0%, because no one wanted one back in.

[@RollerCoasterLineProductions]

I have a 19 Crosstrek w the slow engine, bought new. My bro has the rav4 hybrid (not the prime) but I want something that rips like the rav4 but handles like the crosstrek lol

[@gobear83]

Buy the new outdoor with the 183 hp… we love ours

[@RollerCoasterLineProductions]

We’ll see what happens in the next year. Local Subaru dealership has zero 21 crosstreks, and when they come in they go right back out to happy customers.

[@toronado455]

@@RollerCoasterLineProductions in the states the 2.5 liter engine from the forester is now available in the crosstrek

[@gobear83]

@@toronado455 yes ..it’s the same here in Canada ..

[@RiasatAbir]

@@RollerCoasterLineProductions 2022 Tucson Hybrid

[@ccpout9210]

Subaru would break the prejudices about cvt.

[@davewolly3682]

Everyone but my mother has the RAV4.

[@cherrypickerguitars]

Hi kids! My son-in-law works in final quality assurance at the Woodstock Ontario assembly plant. They make the RAV4’s. I was a Subaru guy before Devon began working for Toyota in 2015. Now, I own two RAV’s. A 2015 XLE, and, the AMAZING 2006, RAV4, true 4x4 with a 6 cyl, 268 hp engine! My friends are SHOCKED after a ride in my 2006! Best RAV ever! I’ll never let it go - it’s more fun to drive, and as powerful as my 1994 Chevy S10 SS which had a 4.3 litre 6 cyl, posi, and sport suspension! My 2006 RAV4, 6cyl is just plain amazing! Peace