ULTIMATE 1.8T DSG SWAP GUIDE

[@GaryTaylorvw]

Great videos mate, watched all of them now, still a little confused about wiring for the brake and reverse, don’t know if over thinking it or what, but keep imagining it not being able to stop 😂 … keep putting it off as don’t want to fudge it up 😂 i’ve taken my engine out now, fitted gearbox, just going to touch up the engine bay a bit then hopefully fit it for good then do the wiring but hoping to do that in a day or 2

[@RedBaronGarage]

Aah no worries it signals via can haha, and depending on if you have the big or small ABS system it works abit differently but it still works👍 unless you have the old can system then it doesnt work with the ecu at all

[@TenesseeTDI]

I loved your video. Tons of great information. I can’t believe you guys have to order the axles from USA, I’m amazed there’s not a dsg mk4 fwd option in Europe. I know you guys got mk4 dsg r32 but obviously the axles won’t work with fwd setup. So glad to see other guys doing this swap, I have done 20k miles on my swap and no issues.

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thats awesome to hear man it makes me super happy! Yeah the only mk4 platform we got in Europe was the r32 and that was 4motion and other than that the beetle tdi dsg is the only mk4 platform dsg i know of is there any other?

[@thimoroelofs]

Wow, thankyou! Not sure about a dsg swap yet because I already have a 6 speed box and might even want a 4 motion swap. But just sharing all the info is something that is rare to see these days!

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thanks man it means alot! Thats actually the whole reason i started this channel because of the dsg swap i wanted to do, to share all the info i learn along the way!

[@SinsAscendant]

Brilliant stuff! I actually went to finish mine off in my Mk2 golf today. But I never tested the gearbox from the donor car. Box is full of metal shavings. Magnets are covered. Box number 2 on route! Wish me luck! Thanks for being open and able to bounce ideas off!

[@RedBaronGarage]

Aww man that sucks man! atleast its very close then!

[@joostsonneveld5407]

Nice video, also want to give a tip. If you have the wrong abs, the wrong speed will be send. First gear will be very long and then limb mode from dq250. Just unplug abs and it will run fine. After that you can swap to abs mk60. Also service the box and vcds to calibrate the clutch and gears.

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thanks alot for the info! Why would it throw limp? I am simulating esp via ecumaster to that is not an issue ive ran into. Would it be because ABS calculated speed doesnt match with dsg calculated speed?

[@SinsAscendant]

So; Mk7 GTI gearbox is also labeled as a DQ250. But 8 bolt flywheel from Mk6 onwards and runs an MQB Immobilized Mech unit. Mk5/Mk6 gearbox is what you want. DQ500 is RS3 and TTRS stuff. The Mk5 GTI flywheels work fine as the 2.0 petrol EA113 runs a 6 bolt crank instead of the newer 8 bolt. Not just TDI flywheel as far as parts! Don't be worried about the different Pilot bearings. They all fit despite some being domed capped back and others being hollow. My 6 speed 02M Driveshafts fit but I also run ball joint spacers. They wouldn't fit without them!

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thanks for the info!! You sure about the tsi flywheel from mk5, im pretty sure they had offset boltpattern even tho its 6 bolts holes wont line up?

[@SinsAscendant]

@@RedBaronGarage 100%, Same way you can fit a TFSI crank into a 1.8T for 2.0 Stroker! Only change is the 1.8T oil pump gear! It's the Flywheel I'm running on mine as I was worried about the interaction between a TDI Flywheel and a TFSI gearbox. Part numbers are different even between Mk5 TDI/TSI. But I've been assured that's not the case. My 02M ran a TDI flywheel and starter motor.

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@SinsAscendant good to hear man thanks alot!!🙏🏻

[@SinsAscendant]

@@RedBaronGarage Thank you for documenting it a little deeper than just forum posts! I'm able to send a lot of people this way and to Karl's write up on AudiSport. I'll message you on Instagram once I've finally got mine dialled in!

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@SinsAscendant please do and good luck!!

[@zeuss1353]

Wow! Nice video. I am planning to do the same swap on my car but i want to make it awd, so its a bit different. Just need to figure out what the difference is between awd en fwd.

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thanks man! The biggest difference is the drivetrain itself and rear axle, the golf awd has a completely different rear body/ no spare tire etc to fit awd system so if you want to convert to awd you would need the whole rear floor plan from a awd and Weld on if not going completely custom with tube floor 👍

[@digousname]

Amazing

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thanks! 🙏🏻

[@christopherbell7561]

Thanks dude!

[@RedBaronGarage]

No problem glad i can help!😎

[@christopherbell7561]

Working on a DSG swap for my Mk5 golf but the box is from a crashed car, got the box home and realised the diff doesn't diff. Can't get the left out put out either.

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@christopherbell7561 thats really unfortunate… hope you get it figured out🙏🏻

[@TravisBronks-xn4ys]

Is the 09a transmission wiring Similar to dq250 transmission

[@RedBaronGarage]

I actually dont know what wiring the 09a has. The dsg has a T20 connector thats round tho

[@robertg5754]

Hi there i want to do this dsg on a mk1. I am guessing that most of what you have given is the same? I am also goong to use ecu master black. One thing most guys in my country are struggling with is the gear changes, they saying that it will only change if u change manually. Do you know if there is a module or something we missing to get the auto changes to work?

[@RedBaronGarage]

As far as i know the gearbox decides when to change gears and it has internal speed and rpm for engine so not sure why it would not work…are they running with can aswell or completely separate from eachother?

[@robertg5754]

@@RedBaronGarage its in a mk1 so i am assuming they not using the can. When i do mine i will have to revisit this video to see what needs to be done. Im doing 2.0 16v abf, i want to use the dq250 (i hope it fits). I’m going to have to get my list ready and make sure i have everything. I have ecumaster black so im going to need more parts than you did i think

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@robertg5754 yeah so you are not doing 1.8t swap then, maybe you can see if 2.0 has same boltpattern as 1.8t, if you can switch gearboxes between this there shouldnt be an issue, i saw someone that installed a ABS unit just to get can signal between ecus to make it work with dsg but not sure wich one, as dsg would need ABS signal etc

[@robertg5754]

@@RedBaronGarage I know the guys from Bobas (i hope i spelt it right) do 16v DSG conversions. I am going to have to research but i think it must be very similar to what you have done. Fun times ahead. I am hoping to maybe film as much as i can and maybe post it on a YT channel.

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@robertg5754 it probably is yes, like this via can or running the dsg "standalone". Best of luck to you my friend!

[@PNFarhan]

Very nice... But what about the instrument cluster, does it all work? Kmh? Rpm?

[@RedBaronGarage]

That’s an excellent question actually! I totally forgot about that. Rpm Will work like normal but you need to code the cluster to read speed through can instead of speed sensor on the gearbox. Now i have not Done that yet because it seems like you need a specific cluster with display to be able to eeprom code it! When i have solved that i Will make a video on that but for now i got a speed gauge that works via can for now!

[@baremats91]

​@@RedBaronGarage as long as your cluster has 920 in the partnumber it can be eeprom coded. If you planning to come to Norway i can fix it for you 👍

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@baremats91 Ay man thanks for the support! I actually got it working via ECUMaster so it works perfectly now👌 not even ECUMaster knew it could be done🤣

[@Meucitroenlasanha]

Muito top, eu tenho um Audi A3 1.8T de 150cv, ele está com o câmbio 01m automático e gostaria de colocar um câmbio DSG 250, estou no Brasil 🇧🇷, conseguiria colocar nesse carro ou apenas no modelo de 180cv? Obrigados

[@RedBaronGarage]

It should definately work as long as you got me7.5 ecu(drive by wire etc)

[@Meucitroenlasanha]

Vou procurar no ferro velho e tentar colocar para funcionar. Thanks 🙏🏻

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@Meucitroenlasanha Best of luck my friend!

[@RicardoRodriguez-sr1hf]

Hello, greetings, do you know which DSG transmission I can use in my GTI Mk4 2001 1.8t to make it AWD.

[@RedBaronGarage]

The dq250 with transfer case from 4motion! Can’t be fwd dsg🙏🏻

[@07ua]

Красавчик )

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@eliwagner3190]

Any tips for swapping with an o1m?

[@RedBaronGarage]

All i can think of is there seems to be an issue with swapping 09a boxes and using same wires from old auto to new auto. So probably run new wires as i described if the old can wires dont work properly👍

[@Arnis341]

hello , i am considering buying an A3 1.8T AGU and DSG 250 already done. Car is stable , works well and no problems. My question is when i will try to register car in my country ? There will not be a problem with conversion, they will know its changed or no ?

[@RedBaronGarage]

My car is registered with all changes ive Done to the car so it is completely legal with 360hp! Now im not sure how it works in other countries but i know sweden is one of the stricter countries, USA basicly needs headlights and you are good so😂 where are you from?

[@Arnis341]

I am from Europe.This Audi have small extra bigger dsg cooler, intercooler pipes, front mount intercooler, gt28rs garret turbo big 3 inch downpipe @~1000kg and semi slicks in front. In few days will import it to my home country , probably my will be 2nd DSG freak 🤣

[@RedBaronGarage]

Nice man!👌 Well in sweden we can register it as ”modified vehicle” if we do sertain checks and do sertain things to the car😎

[@JohnDoan-iu7sm]

I have a 5 speed in my b6 would a 6 speed handle more power? I have done 0 research. I don’t even know if I can swap a 6 speed in it. Thank you for any replies

[@RedBaronGarage]

Not sure on the passat platform, as they are longitudinally mounted and not transverse. But on transverse its true the 6 speed is stronger 👍 (Edit b6 passats are transverse but audis are longitudinal still!)

[@DrugwardTunes]

If in need for a tune to fully support dsg you can contact me

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thanks alot i apreciate it!🙏🏻

[@rkstuntz5278]

do you run the maxspeedingrod gt28 turbo? and if you do, how long did it already survive?

[@RedBaronGarage]

Yeah it is, the old variant before ”standard” and ”street” version, not sure on km but had it on and tuned at 360 for ~3 years but it’s singing its last song right now😂 not sure if it’s because bad quality or because i removed the dump valve lol

[@rkstuntz5278]

i think the turbo is not so good quality hahaha. i have the same one my old/spare 1.8t engine because the stock turbo was broken. i only gone use that engine and turbo for putting a volkswagen caddy on registration with 1.8t engine. after that i swap in my forged 1.8t engine. but best thing to do for you if the turbo goes broken is buy a original garret gtx2871 gen2 turbo or a g25-550. spool time is wayyyy better than the maxspeedingrod turbo. i think you have 1bar boost before 3500rpm with the garrett ones, and it goes easy over 450hp. but watchout with youre stock connectingrods.

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@rkstuntz5278yeah thats definately the plan! Looking at a g25-550 atm and as you say spool Will be alot better and thats going to help alot with the long gears haha. This turbo has 0 spool until like 3k rpm😂

[@rkstuntz5278]

when you see 1bar with the maxspeedingrods turbo? with the g25 you have to run a forged/build engine (pistons,rods,bearings,exhaustvalves,arpbolts), or do you have it already?

[@rkstuntz5278]

if you are smart you slam in some (AGN, ADR) 1.8 20v non turbo cams. you can feel the differents.

[@Tycho-jm2zy]

I‘m currently swapping a dq200 for the dq250, but after connecting CAN high and low as well as power, ground and ignition. The module is not able to communicate with vcds, while all other modules work. Any ideas?

[@RedBaronGarage]

No that sounds odd, is it connected in the same spot? What year are the gearboxes?

[@Tycho-jm2zy]

​@@RedBaronGarage it's from an Audi TT 8J OE: 02E 301 107 AH AK S the year I don't know. I have an Audi A3 8V 1.8TFSI from 2014. So the DQ200 has an immobilizer. Maybe the mechatronics is broken...

[@RedBaronGarage]

that sounds odd, it could be that the a3 is too new it doesnt have the old ME7.5 can system as far as i know atleast so maybe the dsg doesnt understand the can line.

[@Tycho-jm2zy]

@@RedBaronGarage I am afraid thats the case. I send the mechatronics unit to a shop and they will diagnose it and update the firmware if needed

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@Tycho-jm2zy hopefully that is the issue🙏🏻

[@lennartukenings7043]

Do you have the part number of the selector lever. I ordered the thin version but my dsg wouldn't communicate with it. It worked with the thick version.

[@RedBaronGarage]

Sadly i dont… bought it used and i think it came from a 2014 passat allroad, did you wire them the same? Sounds kinda weird

[@lennartukenings7043]

@@RedBaronGarage Yes, that's really crazy. When I plug in the large version, it works immediately. I have now ordered the small version from 2011 again, hopefully it will work.

[@RedBaronGarage]

Thats weird hope it only was a broken piece, where is everything wired in?

[@boosttapperformance8673]

Hey man I was wondering if you know if I could use the DQ500 from the Tiguan 4 motion I looked at the 500 next to the DQ250 and they look literally identical

[@RedBaronGarage]

Hey! If you are also running 4motion probably as the diff should be the same but if you are 2wd dont think so as housing is different on the diff. Also i think there are both ”old” dq500 and ”new” for the mqb platform and im not sure they work with stock ecu

[@boosttapperformance8673]

@@RedBaronGarage okay do possible know if code HQN trans would work ? If from a 2009 brm diesel Jetta , and if yes is the DSG tuning doable via remote tuning or has to be done in person?

[@RedBaronGarage]

@@boosttapperformance8673 i cant confirm if it does work all ive read is that it needs to be 02E not sure about the others sorry🙏🏻 remote tuning i dont know either id think it needs to be connected to work👍

[@boosttapperformance8673]

@@RedBaronGarage okay thanks for your response

[@Beatthatpussy445]

Can you drop the link where you bought the axels?

[@RedBaronGarage]

Sadly no i found them on eBay but they are gone now….

[@Beatthatpussy445]

@@RedBaronGarage I have one more question. I already bought the DSG but i don't have the "big ABS System' Wil the swap still work? And who do I have to do to work around that problem? Thanks in advance. Love the info and the show.

[@Schumeyyy]

ECS has aftermarket and OEM options, part numbers should be 1J0407271NH and 1J0407272MJ

[@Beatthatpussy445]

@@Schumeyyy thanks! Really appreciate it

[@SAMERMAHDI]

Hi what dog bone mount did you use?

[@RedBaronGarage]

Same as 1.8t! Only thing is im using a stiffer bushing in it👌

[@marvin9260]

Bro, can i copy this to a 1.9tdi??

[@RedBaronGarage]

I would think so since the bellhousing is the same! Only thing I’m not certain of is how ecu should be tuned but I assume oem ecu would be the same!