Douglas Murray: Why my intellectual peers are converting to Christianity

[@leonorebaulch6251]

I have loved and followed Jesus Christ since I first heard about Him when 11 years old and now at 72 I still do and believe it was never about all the churches I have been in or sermons I heard (and sometimes gave!) or spiritual programs I followed or read about but simply listening and praying and studying the word of God with my community and sometimes non believers and sharing prayers and their answers and daily spending time in those things together that has brought the deepest peace and satisfaction in this deeply troubled world...just talk to Him and listen and follow His wisdom....He leads us

[@mygabrielle7477]

Thank you Ms Leanore!!!!!!! That’s a beautiful testimony and I agree 👍👍👍

[@ptk8451]

The Lord bless you brother

[@1414141x]

Sharing a 'faith' with others will always bring enjoyment, satisfaction and a sense of being. Whether your faith has any truth to it or not...........

[@JontheBerean]

@@1414141x Not in the eternal spectrum of existence. . . the Truth will set you free or judge you . . . The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son, so that all people will honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22‭-‬23 HCSB ❤️✝️🙏

[@paxnorth7304]

Yup

[@aprilsim7604]

Christian truth has been so watered down by preachers & teachers to the extent that it is flat, bland, & unappealing. A disservice & travesty! But those who truly represent/serve God humbly will find that His Spirit often critiques events, devts, & people just as Jesus did - it seems nothing escapes him. That's why people seeking truth were/are still drawn to him - whenever & wherever His truth is proclaimed & unadulterated by the messengers whom He called out.

[@aprilsim7604]

We know that it is the Spirit who reveals God's truth & causes a response in the hearer who is open and seeking Him.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

@April Sim If someone is being spiritually fed in a church, is that flat, bland? I ask because I have a Very Good Close friend. He goes to a Pentecostal church I go to a Lutheran church. When I go with him, I get nothing well not Nothing, but it doesn't work for me, same when he come to Church with me.

[@aprilsim7604]

@@stevenwiederholt7000 Jesus' critique of the Pharisees has something for us today too. They were the religious leaders & missionaries but they win converts to their own interpretations, ie, according to man. Form over substance & the spiritual is lost in the legalism. Jesus taught that a 'good' teacher has a wealth of resources to bring out to his hearers. Legalism is a death knell to life & viability & vibrant faith. It does not energize nor does it inspire. Whereas Jesus' teaching is wise and kindles hope & faith in God

[@randumgaming]

Protestant "truth" maybe, but not Catholicism. We hold firm to what we believed 2000 years ago, and have only expounded upon our doctrine and traditions.

[@aprilsim7604]

@@stevenwiederholt7000 to answer your question: God's truth is rich & profitable (or powerful) "to reproof, correct, discipline, teach, & train us in the way that we should go". It is not a choice to either let God's truth out & shape it to fit our own understanding, motive, or to make it palatable. So Pentecostal or Lutheran Church may be at opposite ends of denominational spectrum - it does not have to come down to issue of being lively or sombre/dull. Yes, often worship comes down to style, format, rituals, & preferences. God can still speak to us if the substance of his word carries the day

[@stefanielozinski]

I will try to remember to pray for Douglas in my Rosary tonight. I was living like an atheist when I converted to Catholicism (and attending the Latin Mass, traditional sacraments, traditional catechesis, and all the rest) in 2018. My conversion had several elements, but a major thread was that I realized the goodness of Christian teaching (especially the unpopular bits no one else holds to) and finally realized that maybe they were right about Jesus, too.

[@bernardokrolo2275]

And heritage also play role Stefanie

[@thingsturn5755]

You need Jesus, not the Babylonian religion (Catholicism)

[@e1ay3dme12]

Good. You committed to The fullness of the Church in the Tridentine.

[@misererenobis8900]

@@thingsturn5755 Next thing you’ll be accusing the Pope of being a shape-shifting reptilian. Please go away.

[@MissCocoSays]

What you mean by traditional? Jesus didn’t speak in Latin to masses. Jesus spoke to ppl who were the lowest in society in their own language and not in Latin (which they wouldn’t understand). Where in the Bible is rosemary? Where in the Bible is mentioned about Catholic Church? If anything Catholic Church goes against everything in the Bible and directly against God. Remember about not making idols? Remember about not praying to anyone but God. You don’t pray to a dead human which Mary was. Also In bible in quite a few places (three just what I can remember) is saying that Jesus had brothers and a sister too. If you want to talk about the original church there were Jews.

[@billykruger8392]

I can imagine this conversation in Latin 2000 years ago.

[@CSUnger]

Aramaic, most likely.

[@deeveevideos]

Greek

[@TheBox225]

British

[@radscorpion8]

Zeus was the best

[@jaggedstarrPI]

@@TheBox225 LOLOL As my dad used to say regarding Bible translation:"If the King's English was good enough for Jesus Christ it's good enough for me!" ;-)

[@shagadad1]

I love this conversation between NT Wright Douglas Murray and Justin. So much to learn from this whole video!

[@strikevipermkII]

Once there is no fight, once there is no external opposition to your atheism, you have to fight it on your own. And there, in the darkness, you will find the Light.

[@hhstark8663]

Douglas Murray is referring to *Sohrab Ahmari* (among others), who converted from islam to atheism and finally catholic Christianity. He has an interview with Bishop Barron.

[@thucydides7849]

Went from believing in Yahweh to believing in Yahweh

[@hhstark8663]

​@@thucydides7849 No. :) Allah -> no god -> God (Yahweh) I advice you to look up the differences between Allah and God (Yahweh). I recommend the channels "CIRA International" and "PfanderFilms" and "acts17apologetics".

[@cissejr7695]

@@hhstark8663 really that's a valid source for knowing about Islam? No you are just comfortable staying ignorant

[@Lerian_V]

Three youtube videos Muslims should not miss: 1. Abba or Allah - Scott Hahn 2. Steve Ray - Islam: What Every Infidel Should Know 3. E. Michael Jones - The History of Logos and the Logos of History

[@Lerian_V]

He also referred to Gavin Ashenden, former Anglican Bishop and Queen's Chaplain became Catholic on December 2019.

[@pacifistidentitarian549]

Every knee shall bow ,every tongue confess

[@CSUnger]

It continues to interest me how many of my Christian friends today are all former Roman Catholics, including myself. We retain a warm spot in our hearts for the influences of that experience which eventually led us to a saving knowledge of Christ and what it means to be saved.

[@mrshankerbillletmein491]

I came to believe so I thought I should go to church I found things wrong mainly unbiblical doctrine allthough it was helpfull on the whole caused much confusion for me. They were protestant I call myself a bible beiiever now

[@redone3302]

@@mrshankerbillletmein491 the bible doesn't hold up, there's so many inaccuracies and holes in that book. Don't get me wrong, it's one of the greatest books ever written, but historical fact, not even close.

[@mrshankerbillletmein491]

@@redone3302 You are entitled to your opinion Red Many educated people do not agree with you. The bible tells of future events from long ago which is miraculous as I see it

[@j.cgallagher7092]

Catholicism was set up by Jesus Christ. All other churches were set up by men.

[@CSUnger]

Speaking as a former Roman Catholic, The Catholic Church will give you just enough of the wrong Jesus to keep you from finding the real Jesus.

[@JontheBerean]

I was raised by an agnostic mum and an atheist step dad. My biological father was raised by Christian parents, but by the time I was born, he was a wealthy businessmen, addicted to alcohol and a very angry man. I was agnostic until forty years old, also an alcoholic by then. I don't believe people can intellectualise themselves into becoming a Christian, or be "won over" by clever reasoning. Father God gives those who seek Him, faith to trust in Jesus as the Son of God. But Jesus calls sinners to repentance, those who think they are okay , "good people" may never earnestly seek Him. I made a video about the night that I was born again , in case anyone is interested ❤️✝️🙏

[@tmgmagdalena4138]

May you find peace!

[@doodle1983]

Could you please explain what kind of entity you think your god is and what control he has on world and your personal events.

[@JontheBerean]

@@doodle1983 In one comment ? 😅 I doubt I could

[@doodle1983]

@@JontheBerean don't be lazy,live up to your name 😂, spread his word. 2000 years to get your story together and you got nothing 😂

[@JontheBerean]

@@doodle1983 My name is Jonathan, don't mistake me for John the Baptist 😉

[@PLATOLOSOPHY]

The title alone makes me happy. We need more intelligent Christians to counter balance the young earth creationists.

[@benrex7775]

If you say counter balance young earth creationists then I agree. If you say silence young earth creationists then I don't. I know you said counter but there are some Christians out there who actively work to silence them. That's why I wrote it.

[@PLATOLOSOPHY]

@@benrex7775 that is exactly why I said what I said. I’m very precise with my words.

[@benrex7775]

@@PLATOLOSOPHY That's great.

[@thomisticzoomer]

TLM is growing fast not just here but all around the world!!! Love it!!

[@misererenobis8900]

Deo gratias.

[@michaelglynn3340]

Here in Belfast, N. Ireland, a tridentine religious organisation know as" The Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest " bought an old former Presbyterian Church. As a result of changing demographics, the protestant congregation moved to another location. As a practicing Catholic my first thoughts were on the sceptical side as to this ancient tradition surviving in the modern era. Well I'm pleasantly surprised to say the least! All Masses during the week are very well attended and once again surprisingly... All age groups are represented. The services are all in Latin with the priests and altar services in pre Vatican 2 garb. The success of this venture really has me at a loss. This ancient form of worship has struck a chord with all of the participants.. I'm going with the flow in wonder.

[@thomisticzoomer]

@@misererenobis8900 I know the ICKSP, one of the 3 biggest Tridentine mass orders

[@tknows470]

How do you feel about the latest edict from the Pope? I’m very saddened by it as I feel it’s going to further a divide within the Church. Gods will be done. Amen.

[@thomisticzoomer]

@@tknows470 I feel very sad that this is happening, but, luckily, in my archdiocese, our archbishop has granted everyone to use the Latin mass indefinitely as was before the Morto Propio. I am also worried this will create division however, as this is not meant to create unity, but instead created more division, which is sad.

[@staceyflores899]

Some great 👍 news. So happy 😊 to hear this ❤

[@misererenobis8900]

The best thing that ever happened to me was attending the TLM Mass, truly a slice of heaven on earth.

[@mcmemmo]

Nevertheless, there is only ONE Mass, so it's foolish to argue over which form of it is superior. Pick the flavor that suits you best and be glad the others are also available. That is the true beauty of Catholicism.

[@tomgreene2282]

@@mcmemmo Try that on Taylor Marshall ...of whom I am not a fan.

[@kristinwannemuehler9757]

Tell that to the wife who is asked if she wants sex after basically no attention all day before going to sleep vs a wife whose husband is loving on her all day long, texting her, taking her out for dinner, getting a sitter for kids, etc. At the end of the day, she knows he has put in all the effort, despite both situations ending in sexual intercourse. I can tell you which I would prefer. TLM all the way. Every time is so beautiful.

[@tomgreene2282]

@@rohan7224 Well, I don't know really but he has some views and expressions which seem a bit odd to me ...

[@a.t.c.3862]

@@mcmemmo Amen. Personally, I won't attend the Extraordinary Form, but if it feeds some peollr spiritually, if it makes them better disciples of Christ, then may the Lord bless them for it. The problem is not that particular form of the Roman Rite, the Extraordinary Form, but how it is abused and misused by those attached to it, in order to disparage the Ordinary Form, to attack the Second Vatican Council, the Popes and the Magisterium since 1962; with a special kind of hatred reserved for Pope Francis. It is virtually impossible to have the Extraordinary Form without this neo-protestant baggage. So it is, in most cases, not the most beautiful thing this side of heaven, but a very ugly and twisted thing indeed.

[@RaffiMaurer]

I reckon if Murray had come to public attention 10-15 years ago he would've been firmly in the Hitchens/Dawkins school of anti-religious oration. A lot has changed in the culture since then and he is thus at least sympathetic to religious ideas.

[@RaffiMaurer]

@Future Deadguy Fair enough. I do though think the dismantling of the hyper-rationalist stance in recent times has caused the positions of people like him to become more entrenched.

[@MarySamwael]

Douglas love your comments about Christianity. Love you 💕

[@joethi4981]

Douglas is such a treasure.

[@YtUser-c1c]

I really respect Douglas Murray for investigating and looking into religion. I never saw him being disrespectful to anyone.

[@PilgrimMission]

Why does N.T.Wright always try to take the punch out of Douglas Murray's statements? Can he not see that his wishy washy anglicanism has emptied out the church of England?

[@PjotrII]

While it is also important to discuss membership numbers, most of the Christians I know are more interested in what is true. If a wishy washy version of religion is closer to the truth (the title of this channel), then why distort it with some radical ideas?

[@untoldhistory2800]

Maybe he is a Jesuit ? I don’t know

[@misererenobis8900]

@@PjotrII How on earth could a “wishy washy” version of religion be closer to the Truth if nobody cares about it? By it’s very nature, it is watered down, bland, lacking in substance. Those who are after Truth, are seeking it in those faiths much closer to the source, as Douglas stated, namely Traditional Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy.

[@PjotrII]

@@misererenobis8900 Let me compare that to "belief in aliens" - a radical belief could be that Aliens visited us 7000 years ago and thought the Egyptians to build pyramids, another radical idea could be that Aliens fly over our countries, and show themselves to some... from those radical perspectives the following view would be "wishy washy"... there are probably not aliens here today, nor were they here 7000 years ago, but it is possible that some kind of life (perhaps less intelligent than us) do exist somewhere in the universe... and let´s then say that the last wishy washy was true. In the same way a radical idea "God answers every prayer" or "God visits some people through angels in all secrecy" are radical ideas... and a wishy washy idea could be "God does probably exist, but God does probably not answer prayers"... and let´s say the last one was true or CLOSEST to the truth.

[@User_Happy35]

@@misererenobis8900 Maybe they are drawn to the rituals practiced by those denominations. I can see the allure of high church, the bells and whistles. Some people care about that shirt of thing. It doesn't mean the Holy Spirit and an encounter with God is exclusive to those churches.

[@christopherconey732]

Wonderful comments by NT Wright. Two Catholics, Bishop Athanasius Schneider and the musicologist Dr Peter Kwasnewski, are wonderful advocates for the traditional Latin services because they seem to not have a fibre of arrogance or standoffishness at all.

[@gailcarey3597]

I was raised and educated a Catholic. Until I began reading scripture I never understood my faith or had a relationship with Jesus. A couple can go to the alter and exchange vows, but until they live with and learn about each other there is no relationship. It’s just a contact. That’s sanctification.

[@allegrap1054]

Tom Wright is speaking to the average person. It’s beautiful. The basic idea of Christianity. God loves all his children and they are equal in his eyes. Beautiful! Just beautiful! 🙏🏻

[@jennifer97363]

I can’t understand why God would communicate his existence in the ambiguous manner he’s supposedly inspired the bible, the best evidence for him. To what end? All manner of Christian denominations have argued interpretation for 2,000+ years, not uncommonly to the point of violence.

[@jimdandy9118]

Your first 3 words are key. What makes you think we are capable of understanding?

[@vaskaventi6840]

I doubt the Bible was ever meant to show God’s existence. At the time and place where it was written, the existence of God or gods was probably accepted as a given and the question was which religion should I follow. So it seems to me that the Scriptures aren’t meant to convert atheists, we already have great philosophical traditions for that, but rather they exist to tell us the story of how God worked to save humanity through Christ and Him crucified. It seems to me that this is the fundamental purpose of the scriptures and in that regard they seem to have succeeded.

[@jimdandy9118]

@@vaskaventi6840 it’s funny. Atheists think that the Bible is a joke and not to be taken seriously yet the basic construct of their daily lives are based on its teachings….especially if you are a US citizen.

[@jennifer97363]

@@jimdandy9118 Exactly my point. Not capable of understanding? then why communicate at all? Why so disjointed? Open to countless interpretations? Why not have his entire creation believing in and worshipping him? 7,000,000,000 instead of 2,000,000,000. Why wait 98,000 years to plant Jesus on the earth ( we left Africa approximately 100,000 years ago) - seems far fetched. The credibility of the bible is eroded by broad interpretation. Just as Christians believe theirs is the only true god, each denomination believes they alone have the correct interpretation. It’s so obviously a solely man made story, passed by mouth by ignorant people who needed a comforting reason for their existence in a fearful, violent, confusing world. There must be a certain kind of cognition which can accept the hiddenness, the contradiction, the tales that science has disproven e.g. the flood, the arc, the age of the earth,the parting of the sea, etc. ‘God works in mysterious ways’ ....’Free will’....are used too often to answer the difficult questions, and can only take you so far.

[@ciscotx74]

@@jennifer97363 I think you will find that all these different denominations have the same basic creeds. The same basic story and truth. Are the intelligent, thoughtful people Douglas Murray refers to fakes or too stupid to understand or even delusional ? I’m sure they are much brighter than I.

[@fracyoulongtime8123]

Why am I a Christian? Why have I started reading the Bible? Because I have realized there is nothing in this world we can count on! The Bible has spelled it all out time and time again! “There is nothing new under the sun”! However it does seem that there is a greater purpose to everything going on!! The good and the bad!! That leads me to believe there is something guiding the whole thing!! And it does feel like there is an evil that has taken hold since belief in God has diminished! Therefore I believe God is real and Jesus is my lord! Some people might just say “well it’s because people who don’t believe in God will adopt anything as a God”! I ask those people “why is that”? What makes us so in need of a higher power? Why does it seem to be written in our DNA to believe in something?

[@picitnew]

*_"Why have I started reading the Bible? Because I have realized there is nothing in this world we can count on! "_* Why then not read the Quran or the Vedas? Why choose the Bible? Perhaps you are influnced by where you are living? *_"However it does seem that there is a greater purpose to everything going on!!"_* Does it? What's the purpose of children starving and dying every day? *_"That leads me to believe there is something guiding the whole thing!!"_* Only a psycopath would let children starv to death if they had the power to stop it. *_"And it does feel like there is an evil that has taken hold since belief in God has diminished! "_* So people losing their religious belief is evil? That's your take on it. *_"Therefore I believe God is real and Jesus is my lord!"_* Your reasoning for believing is really bad. No evidence, no real arguments. This sounds more like indoctrination and living in a religious bubble . *_"Well it’s because people who don’t believe in God will adopt anything as a God"_* Or perhaps nothing ;) Not everyone is as gullible as others are. *_"What makes us so in need of a higher power?"_* Comfort and fear seems to be some common factors for many religious people. *_"Why does it seem to be written in our DNA to believe in something?"_* We also have in our genes to be afraid of things that don't exist. Like the monster we imagined under our bed when we were children. I really hope you don't think that monster are real? Or to be having imaginary friends as kids, which is something not everyone are capable to leave behind when growing up.

[@fracyoulongtime8123]

@@picitnew sorry joe to long to read but looks well written.

[@picitnew]

​@@fracyoulongtime8123 *_"sorry joe to long to read but looks well written."_* Are you talking about my comment or the Bible? ;)

[@JeanmarieRod]

@@picitnew The Bible makes since bc God inspired it. Your comments are rambling jiberish. Take the one about the Koran or other religious books for example- They are not historically accurate, backed by archaeology, prophetic, or true. The Bible is all of those things and so much more! I could easily answer your lengthy list of objections, but the list will be endless if you are like most unbelievers. That's bc you don't want to humble yourself before God. You emotionally do not want the Holy Bible to be true.

[@picitnew]

​@@JeanmarieRod *_"The Bible makes since bc God inspired it. "_* That is your claim. First provide some evidence for your God. Or else your argument are circular which is a logical fallacy. *_I could easily answer your lengthy list of objections, "_* And you didn't bother to give me one. *_"That's bc you don't want to humble yourself before God."_* My belief in your God is like your belief in Zeus. Or are you perhaps humble before Zeus as well? *_"You emotionally do not want the Holy Bible to be true."_* Nope. And I can say the exact same thing about you and the Quran or any other holy text.

[@stuartfear2205]

I think what has hurt Christianity the most is the wishy washy principles. The whole going with the crowd, and needing to fit in with the crowd.

[@stuartfear2205]

@Prince Talleyrand yes that's what I meant. The organizations themselves fearing being left behind and feeling the need to conform with liberal views of society.

[@stormsmack69]

That is the absolute biggest problem with Christianity. God's word never changes. Whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong.

[@leonais1]

Religious intolerance has never been as sorely missed.

[@keymaker2112]

The more liberal the Church, the emptier the pews. Heresy does not beget life, but only slow death.

[@PjotrII]

A few short comments - if a Wishy Washy idea is true, then I am all for it. From one perspective Christianity is hurt by lies claimed to be the true interpretation. Christianity looses it´s credibility, when it´s members claim to believe in the truth, and follow every lie a "prophet" or a certain branch in Christianity hold to some unscientific claims.

[@JaneJones-lg3bd]

That's why He is called "the comforter". Jesus comforts us, and gives us hope. And there have been times on the earth, when humanity has desperately needed comforting. And here we are again!

[@jeffreyluciana8711]

Christianity is the greatest moral, ethical, intellectual reasoning the human mind can achieve.

[@a-the-1st324]

☪ 🏇🏻 Your Jesus needs to come to me tomorrow to confirm his father's involvement with Trinity and son! If he can divide the moon into three separate moons, he will be given the title of son! And if he can raise the sun from the west, he will get the title of only begotten Sun! Otherwise, CREATOR IS 1! 👴🏼👵🏽 ✝🐮🏌 DEAR Parents, WE ARE EDUCATED NOW! We demand Peace & freedom & want to worship our creator alone, not idols, Cows, fugitive Ram, Jesus, or bizarre trinity of YOUR SATANIC VERSE 🚽 📚 🏌

[@LGpi314]

Why did your god commit many genocides? Why did your god command Moses and David to commit genocides? Will you kill your own child when your god asks? Why do you worship this moral monster?

[@MrWhitmen1981]

Is it? Reason yeah let’s spread a concept in time prior to the internet or printing press. How is it any different in stupidity as Islam.

[@KalonOrdona2]

As a protestant, I consider catholicism valuable in many ways: the philosophical and apologetics achievements, the preservation of ritual, reverence, and in many important ways refusing to give ground. Obviously I have some disagreements in doctrine, but if we're all coming to the conclusion that the First Cause want to relate with us and he's laid it all out for us to follow, then we're aiming at the same star and we'll come together eventually. :)

[@dcarr-kr7hk]

@KalonOrdona2... The only way the 2 will come together is peace will be under a One World religion -which is coming soon to a neighborhood near you. But for that? Never will the 2 (as regards its individuals - particularly scores of bible believing Protestants) abide in peace. So shall it come to pass.

[@1907jdee]

There is a beauty to the Tridentine mass that is comparable to no other form of worship on earth.

[@gulanhem9495]

You deny the soul of Christ in your heart? There is none bigger than Allah.

[@KeniGid]

On this evidence, I consider Douglas Murray more of a Christian than N.T. Wright.

[@ElliottWong2024]

Who is N.T. Wright?

[@bird401]

Rank-ordering Christians. Christian, Christianer, Christianest. Sounds like a dismal science to me. Not doable with the precision of, say, awarding chess grandmaster points.

[@alexandrasmith4393]

A person is either dead in their sin or born again and alive in Jesus. There’s no bit by bit growing into believing in Jesus. One awakening moment, and you realise what a terrible sinner you are and what He has done for you.

[@alexandrasmith4393]

Douglas is gay, and realises he is free to be so. One can’t walk is darkness and be born again.

[@user-mi2cents]

would you say a particular citizen of Germany could be "more American" than an actual American citizen? What would that even mean? Nonsense.

[@jamesmcnicholas2554]

I also have moved in the same direction thanks to the thought s and podcasts of same contemporaries of Douglas..🤔

[@sunnyroad5644]

same here.A very very lapsed Catholic finding her way back ...[only to find the Church very very corrupt,but as one Bishop said it always has been,lol..The Latin Mass is now under attack even the Gregorian Chant by Pope Francis.} But i can't really see an alternative..One hopes the laity will keep the faith even if some priests and Bishops and Popes are trying to make God in their woeful image.Iv'e learnt to say the Rosary with all it's mysteries,that's been a revelation by itself! but also more helpful that all the yoga ,mindfulness meditation ..sigh iv'e been doing for 30 yrs

[@lorraineklimek1677]

@@sunnyroad5644 I’m going back to Latin MASS after long absence.

[@AaronDAntoni]

Murray and Wright throw it down. They don’t mix their words. It seems that they are both aware of how important being precise in ones own speech truly is.

[@keymaker2112]

All who seek the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in earnest will, on a long enough timeline, find themselves before the foot of the Cross.

[@mrsnkg7904]

Many also converting to Eastern Orthodox Christianity. The Church as the spiritual hospital. Thank you for your interview. Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on me a sinner.

[@albertaowusu1790]

They are still protesting.

[@gulanhem9495]

Many are also converting to the Lutheran Christianity. The most important is that you must have the soul of Christ in your heart.

[@josephpack7315]

Praise be to our Blessed Lord! Nothing is impossible for God! He calls us by NAME when He desires our attention and He leads us home, which is in Him!

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@Levites-w9i]

❤Glory to Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

[@elevatedconsciousness9852]

Honestly being raised Protestant and being highly devout, this is one of the reasons I am converting to Eastern Orthodox.

[@paisleymakonen6521]

Good idea

[@RedDragon13X]

That's interesting

[@cybervic54]

Thank you so much love your program

[@MatthewEngleman]

Catholicism offers a depth of exegetical tradition, so an intelligent person -- recognizing that data overload leads to pattern recognition and therefore imposes the inductive gestalt of simultaneity -- would find a rock to cling to in the vortex.

[@gailfagan7579]

What exactly did you just say??? Sorry but WAY too many big words, way too ‘intellectual’ sort of stuff. If your not a doctor of theology, I’m not sure what you’re doing except showing off your intellectual ‘superiority’. Not even a speck of humility, of daily human life of difficulty or pain is evident. That’s NOT how God/ Jesus works in my experience.

[@FranceGaulGallia]

European religion is Paganism. Catholicism is Middle Eastern

[@Miolnir3]

@@FranceGaulGallia "Catholicism" is ancient greek that means _through it all._ Polybius and Aristotle used the term in the sense of "universal". That should tell you from where it truly is.

[@theoutlier9053]

I do think there is a lack of the traditional and historical left in society. Everything is constantly changing and I think people are more readily being drawn to tradition particularly in worship.

[@borderlands6606]

For aesthetic reasons alone, the traditional mass with its bells and smells, numerous priests and acolytes, accompanied by some of the finest music ever written in settings of enormous beauty, calls upon history for its power. Argument crumbles in the face of such beauty, as it should.

[@MissCocoSays]

Yes it’s easier to impress ppl by gold statues than to give them the real gospel. Gospel what you will never find in Catholic Church.

[@borderlands6606]

@@MissCocoSays Why is beauty so troubling to puritans? Didn't Christ allow the box of precious ointment to be poured upon him at Bethany? We can have care for the needy and the best that man can contrive. They aren't exclusive.

[@MissCocoSays]

@@borderlands6606 absolutely. For example the first temple what Jews had was very nice too like gold plates and best wood from Lebanon. But and now big but there shouldn’t be any statues or pictures. And that goes to bible again. Also lots of time the Catholic Church got that money by selling documents to ensure the family members go from purgatory to heaven.

[@a.t.c.3862]

Catholics can get caught up in all the so-called 'beauty' and forget all about the striking power of the Lord's Gospel. Other Christians, may substitute 'beauty' with something else, but we all do it, I'm afraid, we all dilute the Good News, sadly.

[@a.t.c.3862]

@@MissCocoSays That is simply not true. "See how they hate each other" is, tragically, how we are perceived by those who do not yet know Christ.

[@MMC-jp1gl]

Mr. Wright forgets that the greatest missionaries (out of love for all men) brought that supposed "high/out of touch" Traditional Latin Mass to every creature on Earth before 1962. Native Americans and the indigenous people's of every continent were brought that deep well of the TLM...and they embraced it. It doesn't take a Rocket Engineer to follow it. And a truly loving person doesn't deny anyone of that deep well just b/c they don't get it at first. I didn't get many things at first that were good to me...but I'm grateful for the person who brought me to it nonetheless. God bless~

[@lawmaker22]

To be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant.” ― John Henry Newman

[@User_Happy35]

Yet, it doesn't work that way for the many Protestants that have studied the history of the church and remained convinced that the Roman Catholic church claim to apostolic succession is weak, at best.

[@mcgrathbissaillon2689]

@@User_Happy35 Except for the fact that there are several protestant denominations that pride themselves on having apostolic succession. In fact, I don't know why you would want to be Christian and not apostolic?

[@lawmaker22]

@@User_Happy35 historic facts say either roman catholic is apostolic or none

[@konyvnyelv.]

Please explain clearly

[@lawmaker22]

@@konyvnyelv. knowing history leads you to Catholic Church, being only church established by God himself

[@CatETru]

In the process of converting to Catholicism. In RCIA at the moment. I am attracted to the Latin Mass, but no Churches in my area offer it.

[@maniac4239]

Of course, the importance of the historical, social, and cultural impact that religions have made over the centuries are enormous and important and cannot be denied. But it seems to me the much more important question to ask is, are any of these religions true? Is there a god who created everything and needs our worship? Or are these gods simply the anthropomorphic imaginations of human beings seeking explanations of the world and why we are here?

[@mcgrathbissaillon2689]

It's not that God "needs" our worship, rather he deserves it. Just as a good parent should have the reverence of the good and beautiful child that they have brought into this world.

[@maniac4239]

@@mcgrathbissaillon2689 - Is this the same god who says worship me or you will go to hell? What parent would treat their beautiful child that way?

[@mcgrathbissaillon2689]

@@maniac4239 This is the triune God that created ex nihilio.

[@maniac4239]

@@mcgrathbissaillon2689 - So that’s your best response in support of a god who threatens hell for non-worshipers. If such a creator existed, then this behaviour would only be worthy of contempt.

[@mcgrathbissaillon2689]

@@maniac4239 You're right! why would anyone ever want to be held responsible for their actions? Not only would it be terrible for society, but for how one develops as an individual!

[@toucan221]

good to hear that his peers are converting to Christianity, we that more than ever! ⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@jamesgibson2179]

I have been very interested in the traditional Latin Mass for a long time and have been having discussing religion with an FSSP priest. Christianity preaches Goodness for its own sake. For the Darwinian atheist, ‘do unto others as you would be done by’ is merely an exchange for survival.

[@gracie3174]

The traditional Latin Mass is the real catholic faith….it has remained faithful to the gospel. I’ve just rediscover it and it’s growing strong in spite of the current pope trying to restrict it. No worries, God wins.

[@Imiss80sn90s]

Vatican II introduced the "modern mass" Novus Ordo, prior to that in 1968 all the way back to 300ad was the Traditional Latin Mass. Paul VI was Pope and retired the Papal Crown and hasn't been used ever since, He was also really good friends with Saul Alinsky who wrote the book "Rules for Radicals" A good youtube channel is "Dr.Taylor Marshall" and he has a book called "Infiltration" that explains this and much more of the globalist takeover of Rome

[@ohmightywez]

There’s a lovely little FSSP parish in San Fernando, and about 3 years ago I began attending there instead of my Novus Ordo parish in the town where I live. Several other parishioners have as well.

[@MMC-jp1gl]

For a world that is supposedly the most educated in human history to see the TLM as "high and non-understandable" is ridiculous. The illiterate for millenia were brought that deep well out of love and they got it just fine. God bless you Mr. Murray. God bless~

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

I became a Christian believer after going on a course called Following Jesus. I did the class because I realised that I had never given Jesus a chance, so to speak. At some point I realised that I believed - it was shocking. I was in tears for weeks as I realised that I had lived my life all wrong. The scriptures suddenly came alive and it was NOT an intellectual thing - it was as the gospels say, God changes your heart from stone to flesh. Pitting intellect or science against God is a very human error. It took me quite a long time to find a church denomination that actually had not become watered down and so virtually non-Christian! I felt betrayed by the Church of England in that respect - it has definitely taken to 'flirting with the world'.

[@susanburger3673]

Well spoken and relatable. Welcome home, I am so glad for you. May we all share in the same the recognition that you now embrace.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

@@susanburger3673 Thanks, Susan! God bless.

[@redone3302]

Go learn about the neuroscience of why that is. It's not the truth. Your brain just makes you think it is.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

@@redone3302 Neuroscience does not trump God! That is a terrible error.

[@redone3302]

@@AnnabelleJARankin ones provable, the other isn't. I'll give you a hint, nobody has a PhD in "god". If God created man, why did man create so many gods?

[@barendkamperman1471]

I have a robust , personal, conversant relationship with Christ my God. Religion (churchiness) did me horrific harm driving me far from God. I returned to Christ when he healed me. I no longer let any church or leader get between me and God. Neither do I bother anymore with traditions, group think, judgementalism or contempt (for self or others.) Life is richer now.

[@LGpi314]

Still horrible person but want someone else to pay for them. Nice. LMAO show me historical documents where jesus as son of god is called by the name outside of the bible. I'll wait.

[@cinderelladevil1687]

It is not all about saying prayers, attending services and reading the Bible. Those who turn to trad catholicism know that, they are in quest of the Grace of God, the supernatural. The action of God on ourselves. Religion is not about us, it is about the Grace of God on us. Protestants usually do away with that. Chesterton perfectly understood that difference which is pivotal, and which in the midst of the pandemia makes all the sense. There is nothing in this world we can turn to. That crisis of reliability has led to the well Douglas talks about.

[@msmutola682]

"Those who turn to trad catholicism know that, they are in quest of the Grace of God, the supernatural. The action of God on ourselves. Religion is not about us, it is about the Grace of God on us. Protestants usually do away with that" This is patently false, especially because part of the rallying call of the reformation was "Sola Gracia and Sola fide.

[@dcarr-kr7hk]

Cinderella? "The action of God on ourselves. Religion is not about us, it is about the Grace of God on us. Protestants usually do away with that." Sounds as though you may not know any Christians who are Protestants. 🤔 The vast Christians (and I mean Protestants) I have fellowshipped with, walked alongside, and worshipped God with would care to disagree with your statement. 😄

[@dcarr-kr7hk]

@msmutola682... I agree.

[@victoryoneable]

For some reason the Catholic Church hierarchy is trying to stamp out the Tridentine mass. Even while numbers attending these services are growing faster than ever. The establishment is always one step behind the people.

[@Liisa3139]

Wishy washy principals started when the church got too involved in worldly matters instead of addressing the souls of the people, their spiritual state and their existential journey. For example gay marriage should never have been established in the church - not because it would be sinful to be gay or because you couldn't be Christian if you are gay. It is just that Christian marriage means starting a family and only a man-woman couple can have children (adoptions aside, that's a civil society matter). We all meet things in life we are excluded from; it is normal and we should face that. Christian marriage is a life form not meant for everybody. Civil marriage for gay people (and many straight people too) is fine and not having a church wedding doesn't mean that you are inferior or that you can't be Christian. The church should be harder on people wanting a church wedding, because so many of them just want a ceremony. They should be reminded what marriage means for the soul and for the Christian community. Well, these things are just the tip of the ice berg of wordly wishy washiness.

[@adamgates1142]

Life is not intended for gay people according to your repulsive holy book. Don't sugar coat it...

[@michellea9857]

I love Jesus, I love the Traditional Latin Mass

[@jimmy2k4o]

I don’t think I’ll ever be converted to theism (never say never) But over the years I’ve been converted from a Dawkins-esque atheist to a more Douglas Murray one. Started to think, if NOT believing in something is the thing you’re known for, that’s pretty dull. Kinda like people that attend non-stamp collectors conventions and bond over their shared lack of interesting stamps.

[@ianinkster2261]

Dawkins wouldn't like to be known foremost as a nonbeliever. Dawkins left to his own devices (absent some social\intellectual crusade against religion) is probably Dawkins the author of the Extended Phenotype. But he's pretty conscientiously concerned about single faith schools etc.

[@ohmightywez]

There’s always Paschal’s Bargain. 🙂 One of my atheist friends chooses Jupiter Optimus Maximus when he references a god. lol Be careful which books you loan your friends.

[@jimmy2k4o]

@@ianinkster2261 I went to a catholic school. I got a great education and learned a lot about Catholicism. I’m glad I learned it, and have a sense of experience and culture. My friends from nondenominational schools know very little or nothing About Catholicism or religion from the perspective of the religious I felt that they were the lesser for it because it’s always better to know as much as you can about as many subjects as possible.

[@Charles3x7]

In the world, not of it. Not on all fours, but living with the people as a person,. Knowing God as a person. This is not contradictory with participation in high worship.

[@royben-moshe5179]

Could someone provide clarification here: is clickbait a lie and is lying a sin?

[@brando3342]

Do you mean this videos title, because Murray literally says as much in the video.

[@ohmightywez]

People are seeking Truth. The ultimate Truth. That Love is not just giving but demanding. God demands everything from us because he gave us all that we are. What we get in return is the ability to live a life steeped in both hope and reality, a sense of purpose and order instead of despair and chaos. The representatives of our modern Catholic Church are not doing a very good job of demonstrating the Truth that has been entrusted to them and so people are walking away. The more clearly the Faith is understood, not just the wherefore but the why; the more simply and plainly it is understood that love doesn’t mean we turn a blind eye to weakness but that in love we strive to help each other overcome them; then people come to the Church.

[@Steven_Rowe]

Just a few comments, my thoughts and nothing more . As a baby boomer from the early 50s it seems that perhaps the decline in the church is due to many factors. Perhaps people's faith has been shaken by the fact the war happened and where was God as if God had a duty to intervene. Perhaps our perception of God is wrong. After the war things improved, people had more money, rationing ended etc, we had TV things to buy and pubs, why would anyone want to go to listen to some boring old vicar . As time went on the next generation ie mine have our kids more and then my kids have continued this trend with my grand kids. The swinging 60s produced liberation of every kind, the permissive society and now a society where justice seems unfair, where criminals seem to appear as victims in court. Perhaps there is now a spiritual void in people's lives an emptiness that that materialism and modernity have no answer to and athiesm offers no hope or answers to. People converting to Islam also is a result of this void, lack of meaning, purpose and feeling responsible to a higher creative power. Many years ago the Arch bishop of York who was African said that the fabric of British society was underpinned by its faith and it was in danger of becoming extinct,perhaps he was right????? As I said, these are just a few thoughts and nothing more.

[@late8641]

Humans are pattern-seeking primates which has caused a deeply rooted illusion of and desire for meaning. When there's no evident external purpose, men have invented divine agencies to grant themselves the mirage of meaning. Most atheists, myself included, live thoroughly worthwhile lives even without the belief in divine purpose. Humans are conscious life forms and we have the capability to give our own meanings to our lives. We don't have to delude ourselves in order to live happily. Religion is for the weak-minded.

[@declancronin437]

"When you seek truth, you seek God whether you know it or not." ~ St Edith Stein It is worth looking up St Edit Stein a Jewish Catholic convert and a Carmelite nun who died August 1942, in Auschwitz 🙏

[@CheeseSteakJimi]

“Let us here observe, that a religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things, never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation.” Joseph Smith Jr.

[@julesjgreig]

Thank you

[@Vgallo]

He’s referring to the Luke warm Anglican’s and other Protestant’s

[@papasitoman]

You don't need the apostrophe: Anglicans, Protestants.

[@martinbrown3161]

@@papasitoman why doesn’t he need the apostrophe?

[@Vgallo]

@@papasitoman lol true, but I mean now you’ve painted yourself as the dislikable grammar nazi , what’s worse??

[@martinbrown3161]

@@rohan7224 what is the one true church?

[@martinbrown3161]

@@rohan7224 but the one true church was well established before Rome made it the state religion as they knew they could never stop it and were losing control of there empire, so it’s impossible for Rome to be the one true church. Jesus Christ is the only one true church and nothing or nobody can ever change this .

[@MilesDei95]

If My God washed feet of his disciples who i am to stay taller that others.

[@douglasgraham2774]

Nothing more nothing less! Jesus did it all, we can do nothing.

[@thomasmcewen5493]

Matthew 25 35-39

[@douglasgraham2774]

@@thomasmcewen5493 the church, the body of christ will not be on earth when this happens! 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16,. Matthew 25:31-40

[@Speakers154]

Good ole passive theology, the theology of zero responsibility.

[@thomasmcewen5493]

@@Speakers154 Yep, in 1942 when the Czech Jews passed under a biblical Christian's window it was obey Romans 13, while the Catholics journeyed to Thereseinstadt with their Jewish neighbors where they were arrested and died in Dachau. We noticed this verseology under communism too. I don't expect to see 21 Christ did all being beheaded on a Libyan beach anytime soon.

[@judichatowsky7297]

Drinking directly from the well is reading/ studying the Word, having a relationship with God-a bible church, reformed theology. Catholicism-traditions and rituals not too much well.

[@grosbeak6130]

NT Wright really just ruined Douglas Murray's point. Over the years I've lost respect for NT Wright. He indulges in too much virtue signalling and being a social justice Warrior these days. He talks about getting on all fours with the poor people of the world and yet he lives personally so far away from that ideal himself in his day-to-day life. He has lived all of his life as a scholar.

[@truthmatters7573]

There's room for scholars and laymen in the body of Christ. Scholars are engaging directly with other academics "on all fours". I think Wright isn't detracting but is providing some much needed balance. Christianity is not an outward form. Going directly to the source does not mean becoming a Catholic or steeping yourself in ritual. Going to the source means taking the Word of God and making it practical in your daily life. That looks rather mundane, but not worldly.

[@grosbeak6130]

@@truthmatters7573 preach on. You're missing the context here. Douglas Murray was clearly indicating a contemplative dimension to the Roman Catholic Church that some of his atheist friends found to be compelling, and N.T. Wright for all practical purposes hijacks Douglas Murray's comment and leads it in another direction thereby taking the significance off of his point. You can clearly see that Douglas Murray was not happy about that here. It was just a rude thing to do on NT Wright's part. Also besides that it was kind of preachy on his part, while Douglas Murray was being unassuming. P.s. your response to my comment here was doctrinaire and a little preachy. I can see why you have come to his rescue here. Getting on all fours with other academics? Come on man.

[@truthmatters7573]

​@@grosbeak6130 I like your response, just I thought that calling NT Wright a hypocrite simply because he's a scholar talking about meeting people where they're at is a cheap shot. He may not be meeting the laity where they're at, but he's meeting academics where they're at, which is often overlooked but no less important. Academics generally aren't gonna take a random Christian blogger seriously, but are gonna want to look at academic resources or talk to people with an academic way of thinking. They generally want to apply the level of scrutiny they've been taught to apply in their field of study to these all important questions (insofar as they are open to the discussion that is). Then again, Murray could have made the point he was making without contrasting it with non-ritualistic, non-catholic Christianity and then Wright wouldn't have felt the need to defend that expression of Christianity which Murray was kind of putting down.

[@JK-uo3pd]

@grosbeak Great post. After listening to this conversation I came away with a similar take. I won’t beat up NT too much here as I think even his age is causing him to be a bit removed from the “word on the street” that Douglas is closer to. I have all the time in the world for Douglas, he seems like a great person and makes me laugh. I continue to pray for him among other commentators that his journey results in salvation by the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@scottmcloughlin4371]

That's why liking anything or anyone is never in your job description. God's plan is mighty in such fashions ;)

[@antaibhshaglas3737]

You dont have to believe.Its culture,something that unites and identifies

[@TheRealFranc]

Beautiful. Perfect.

[@Leon-md3ei]

It does not matter in the least, what brand of Christianity you convert to. The real issue is, do you believe that Jesus went to the cross, suffered and died to pay the penalty for the sin of mankind. Jesus is the well with living water to drink from. If you drink from him, you will never thirst again. All other wells will not give eternal life, no matter how pomp and grand they are. Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[@terrlaw328]

Not true. You are not much of a Critical Thinker…are you ?

[@martinecheverria5968]

I could hear NT Wright all day

[@Autobotmatt428]

His voice is very soothing

[@basedbyzantine5981]

You shouldn't, he is a false prophet.

[@marianthi7034]

I am grateful to have been raised in the Greek Orthodox Church

[@stormsmack69]

Leave all organized, man made religion and develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

[@firstnamelastname-kr8dv]

As the world gets worse and worse it just gets easier and easier to love Jesus Christ God bless you out there 👋

[@NordicSnowhammer]

The fool says in his heart there is no God. I think I read that somewhere.

[@nsptech9773]

Psalms.

[@redone3302]

If God made man, why did man create so many gods?

[@NordicSnowhammer]

@@redone3302 Ahh.... great question. We are created in His image. We all bear the finger prints of His image. We can't help BUT to look for God. Unfortunately there's only one God and most people will never find Him in the religions they create in the search.

[@redone3302]

@@NordicSnowhammer so why are most of those gods thousands of years older than christianity? And why does christianity have so many pagan fingerprints?

[@NordicSnowhammer]

@@redone3302 You missed the point. Our tendency to create religions is evidence of God having created us. The time of a religions appearance in history in irrelevant. God has His plans for mankind and the timetable for that plan is His. Christ's arrival on the scene was perfectly timed for where humanity was at that time. Look up apologetics on YT and watch some videos concerning this issue. It's actually quite fascinating. Blessings.

[@jamesbarry1673]

As you grow older the fear of death shadows you................

[@ron88303]

For some. I'm older and fear death less than at any time in my life. What I do fear is suffering; when I go, I hope it's quick.

[@Kitiwake]

There is either valid or non valid mass. There is no "weaker" form of mass.

[@stephenglasse9756]

No mass at all (see Colossians 2). The lord's supper was an ordinance for ISRAEL only see Jeremiah 31; Luke 22; 1 Corinthians 10-11 noting especially 10:1-11 which tells us the readers)

[@alexandriaocasio-smollett5078]

Exactly. Just as(for our Jewish friends) something is either kosher or not kosher.. There’s no “kinda kosher”.

[@bernardokrolo2275]

Thanks God for your statment

[@Speakers154]

Not all prayer is equal. Otherwise, there would be no point seeking the prayers of saints. No two masses are the same. In the economy of grace, everything contributes to a mass being more or less fruitful.

[@stephenglasse9756]

@@Speakers154 maybe there is no point to seeking the saints prayers. Doesn't scripture forbid it when it forbids attempting to contact the dead?

[@musik102]

The term "Intelligent fools" comes to mind.

[@stevep9041]

God is telling his body He is doing a new thing. That the church is on notice, the teachers are on notice. Those doing this for their own reasons will be split from the remnant. If Jesus has called you, you will find him.

[@Walklikeaduck111]

In india we have a bazillion saints , mystics, avatars and sages like jesus. We either have to believe or tolerate them all or realize none of them are particularly special.

[@davidhawley1132]

That is a faulty argument. Certainly diversity and its accompanying pluralism has a corrosive effect on particular committments, but that has nothing to do with the logicality of many-opinions=>all-are-false.

[@gregb6469]

No, in India you don't have anyone like Jesus. Which of your saints, mystics, avatars, and sages died to pay for the sins of his people, then on the third day rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven?

[@gregb6469]

@davy boy -- You are ignorant. Jesus wasn't copied from anyone. Myths about personifications of natural processes that happen on an annual basis bear no resemblance to an actual historical person who actaully rose from the dead as a one-time historical fact. As for sacrifice, Jesus' death was the REAL sacrifice to which the Jesish sacrifices pointed as types. They were acted-out prophesies.

[@TheMagnificentGman]

Behemoths, leviathins and dragons when?

[@frankwhelan1715]

women turned into pilliar of salt etc etc etc

[@emmanuel8310]

@@frankwhelan1715 Are you aware of biblical archeological findings?? 🙄

[@TheJoanna55]

Maybe because of the simplicity and logicality of Decalog

[@truthoftheuniverse]

Hallelujah 🔥🔥🔥

[@jammydodgerdodger2309]

If every Christian was more like Jesus there wouldn't be a problem getting the gospel message across to ordinary ppl, Jesus was thronged by ordinary ppl wherever He went. The challenge for Christians is getting the message back to the spiritual gospel He preached & dumping all the useless human baggage we have covered it with!

[@stuartperry-hughes5969]

The most traditional? *Laughs in Eastern Rite*

[@centurionguards3819]

For someone to become a Catholic means they haven't understood the bible enough. The fact that they baptise babies state that their priests and bishops can't get married and their prevalent use of statues/idols. Jesus was baptised at 30. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 Some Will Depart from the Faith 4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. Exodus 20:3-5:…3You shall have no other gods before Me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on their children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,… The original church is mapped out in the book of Acts.

[@fightintheshade]

CS Lewis understood the Roman Curia. See the character “Shift” in Narnia. A perfect representation of the nonsense that is Rome.

[@misererenobis8900]

Which is why Anglicanism has done so well…

[@fightintheshade]

Miserere Nobis Amoris Laetitia?

[@misererenobis8900]

@@fightintheshade Your point?

[@fightintheshade]

Miserere Nobis pachamama?

[@AnthonyThomason14]

@@fightintheshade lol.

[@TheMusicscotty]

Came for the discussion, stayed for lit outro music

[@windyday8598]

if you want to drink directly from the well, go to Jesus, not religion. read the new testament. the living word, living water, comes from Jesus. gospel of John. run from the catholic church, don't look back.

[@firstnamelastname-kr8dv]

👍 55th Isaiah 1“Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you without money, come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost! 2Why spend money on that which is not bread, and your labor on that which does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, and your soul will delight in the richest of foods.…

[@windyday8598]

@@firstnamelastname-kr8dv Cheers!

[@JontheBerean]

Amen

[@OmarBenjumea]

Would it be possible that your "intellectual peers" are also soft-headed?

[@joshsimpson10]

Come home come to Orthodox Christianity A new great awakening

[@jamespanpuci596]

What does anyone have to offer that is better, he will always remain the ultimate moral archetype.

[@Adam-gl1qv]

Secular humanism.

[@eph2817]

@@Adam-gl1qv NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@alistairmaleficent8776]

Ya know what moves me closer to joining the Catholuc church, is every time they shield another child predator from prosecution.

[@song4night]

Forget catholicism or the pope or that church. Come to Jesus. He would have had no part in catholicism.

[@Isaac-eg3um]

Or when another native child's body is uncovered at a Catholic Residential School

[@alistairmaleficent8776]

@@song4night Imagine believing that everyone on earth went to hell before Martin Luther made up Protestantism. Every single person. Hilarious!

[@alistairmaleficent8776]

@Nicole I can think up a number of teachers who have been thrown in jail for that. One of them at my own high school! Can't think of a single priest. They just move em right over to the next diocese or whatever. Awful.

[@alistairmaleficent8776]

@@Isaac-eg3um Doubtless they somehow convinced themselves they were "doing god's work" when they were burying those bodies. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

[@Zog696]

Wasn’t it Will Durant who wrote Philosophy is the luxury of the few ,Religion the solace of the many.

[@untoldhistory2800]

But Catholicism isn’t Christianity 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@user-tf2wd1eh3g]

Oh, but it is. Might not be your brand, but like all the gazillion versions of christianity, they too believe christ is the son of god, who died for sins and was resurrected.

[@untoldhistory2800]

@@user-tf2wd1eh3g Jesus said many will come in my name and deceive many. The Pope is called Holy Father, his encyclicals are written with Us/Our the same way God speaks in Genesis 1 ‘Let’s make man in Our’, the Pope sits on a white throne surrounded by angels and elders. He has placed himself as God on earth also his title is pontifex maximus which means bridge builder between heaven and earth. Anti christ means ‘in the place of Christ’ Do you think that is what the Popes have done through history ? I haven’t even listed all the doctrines that are not to be found in the Bible.

[@user-tf2wd1eh3g]

@@untoldhistory2800 that's all fine and dandy, still doesn't change the fact that catholics view Jesus as the son of god, who died for their sins and is their savior.

[@frankwhelan1715]

@@user-tf2wd1eh3g Yes,it's nonsense to say catholics are not christians seeing Jesus is their main man,it's pretty ridiculous,know this also having been brought up a catholic (though no longer believe any version of bibical tall tales }

[@untoldhistory2800]

@@user-tf2wd1eh3g I never mentioned Catholics ? I said Catholicism as a religion isn’t Christian. ‘Not everyone that says unto me Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven. But he who does the will of my Father’ Yes many Catholics are Christians, they worship God with the light they have but as Jesus says ‘the sheep will hear my voice and there will be one flock’ also somewhere else says ‘come out of her [Babylon] my people’

[@klkgf]

I'm a Sabbath observer my Ghana

[@TheMOV13]

I don’t think reaching out to the poor and outcasts was what Douglas meant, most Christian groups do something or other like that in some form or other.

[@sunnyroad5644]

exactly..People ACTUALLY do want someone to look up to who can in someway explain the great mysteries of e.g the Scriptures,the Genesis and the Resurrection and the Eucharist etc etc. That guy had to be Cof E.

[@harrisonswift1416]

I hope not pagan Catholocism! The Gospel of the bible is NOT the modern Day Catholicism. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is what I believe to be the true Gospel that Saves. Saved BY FAITH ALONE, not through works, so that no man may boast. Catholicism is a sprinkle of truth on a foundation of lies, in current day. I share this in All love. Through Jesus Christ. We live with the Holy Spirit and the bible says nothing of Priests hierarchy being the way. Christ paid the fine on the cross (Read Romans 6:23 as to WHY). Through grace we are saved, by Faith alone in Christ.

[@Cellalu]

it's not an either/or proposition (worshipping at the heights and serving among the lowly)

[@livetwice7702]

That is such an important point and one that Justin Welsby needs to hear , why water down Christianity it is such a powerful message in itself and offers hope ….I have just read Pilgrims Progress , please read it if you haven’t already ………it is Hopeful who and not Christian that demonstrates the true faith and crosses the deep river at the end while Christian starts to drown ……interesting ……..I just hope and pray that Jordan Peterson declares himself publicly he is a Christian , there would be a gathering worldwide of millions …….he does more for faith than any Archbishop.