The Surprising Truth About Stopping an Active Shooter...

[@fckjoebdn1776]

We should not expect the good guy to handle a situation like this perfectly. It's the first time he's probably ever been in this situation. When you truly fear for your life, your survival instincts kick in. The bad guy put him in this situation, the good guy didn't ask for this.

[@OmideFardaa]

Don't forget pls; the good guy had a gun! If he didn't have gun.....

[@kennethcurtis1856]

Not allegedly shooting a perp in the back of the head after shooting him 8 times, if the threat is stopped, is not asking too much of the good guy.

[@BullseyeHTX]

@@kennethcurtis1856I agree. This was idiotic. Went from absolutely justified to straight up murder.

[@VapeTime79]

The threat was stopped. You don't have to end a life in a self-defense situation. You just have to end the threat. Was 100% in the wrong

[@johna3607]

Don't commit an armed robbery, don't potentially get shot. Simple.

[@DATo_DATonian]

I am always baffled by those who expect the defender, such as the man in this case, to be able to calmly rationalize every facet of the situation he finds himself in as though he is playing a chess game. Such an expectation is totally insane. The man believed his life or the lives of others in the restaurant might have been on the line, his adrenaline level is off the charts, and he has probably no prior experience in such a situation. So he is expected to act according to some game plan devised by legislators who sat comfortably in meetings over days, weeks, months or years putting together laws of procedure for such situations? Absolutely, totally insane expectation!!!!

[@edurcnt]

True, no matter the level of training, there will always be a high adrenaline level, but most importantly, the risk of crime needs to be solely and exclusively for the criminal, by restricting and regulating by law how the victim must behave in order to react, this risk is transferred to the victim. If anyone thinks this is acceptable, compare Texas' homicide rate with the rest of the US or even Brazil. The life risk of the crime must be for the marginal, it never gives a victim.

[@locallawcall8459]

Agreed. But until someone fixes the broken system, if your going to carry, you had best know and practice how to act so you at least have a chance to "tow the line" as much as possible. It shouldn't be this way, see my comment above" but should won't keep your butt out of prison.😣

[@mikefarmer4748]

True, but. It's still expected by the law. If they over charge him with a murder charge, I doubt they'd get a conviction. Manslaughter, maybe but even then, it only takes one juror. 🇺🇸

[@DATo_DATonian]

@@mikefarmer4748 I can only speak for myself: If I were that juror he'd walk.

[@Ruger1022]

​@@mikefarmer4748 bad guy down with multiple hits. CCW guy walks up and summarily executes bad guy with round to brain. Passes out money, disturbed crime scene, handles bad guy's weapon then disappears... And we have that all articulated by this representative expert for the firearms community to help out????

[@AllAboutSurvival]

Lesson is always be mindful of your surroundings. You never know when these kind of people walks into your life

[@AndyCigars]

The entire time that gun was whipping back and forth...he was changing his direction and where he was pointing that gun. He could have easily turned back toward the entire restaurant. That's a deadly threat...his back is turned, take action.

[@alphainu]

B.s. the shot to the back of the head AFTER he took the gun away, it’s MURDER. PERIOD

[@AndyCigars]

@@alphainu agreed…went way too far. I was talking about the initial engagement. Still… the robber f’d around and found out.

[@DATo_DATonian]

A coroner's autopsy could assert that after all of the previous shots to the guy's body he was already dead. You can't murder a corpse.

[@MatthewsTrueShow]

I've had this talk with my wife many times. When shooting at our range, We go over things like this. The 35 yard, 1 mag only shots, holding a phone to the head while one hand firing at 25 yards. The honest thing like you said Kevin, is if and when it actually happens, will you be able to fully commit to the role of "hero" or fail

[@JugglesGrenades]

I have "paced" several distances in the restaurant that my son and I go to regularly. Later I replicated this on my range. When I carry, there is the mag in the pistol and two spare mags in a magazine pouch on my off side (9o'clock) Always be aware of where the emergency exits are.... Even though I am a USCCA member, a fight that can be avoided is preferable to launching bullets in a crowded restaurant. (Kinda like a knife fight in an elevator)

[@AdjudicatorBrbal]

The only things that screwed the concealed carry guy was shooting the guy in the head while he was already down, and leaving the scene. I get why he fled, because he knew he was screwed. And he turned it into a catch me if you can situation.

[@RUDEMASTER]

I agree with u

[@gameraddictedx7443]

Right. Any person in a self defense situation know they shouldn’t run away cus then the case will turn into a homicide… and then the extra shot in the head, he has to make that justifiable in court depending on his state, jury can see it as overkill and prosecutors will have a ball telling you how much your a murder and “intended to kill” a person by defending yourself in that way.

[@RUDEMASTER]

@@gameraddictedx7443 I agree with you too

[@truckpilot01]

William Bradford Sr. You are spot on and to add to it, it looks like he became consumed by emotions and clouded judgment.

[@CM-bj8hr]

He turned self defense into murder. It is something we should all be wary of

[@SirClicks.]

Sad world we live in. Be safe people. Cover your ASP.

[@Keep_Feeding_Me]

Always! Don't take that room temperature challenge!

[@AZtwoNE]

Reference for those who don’t understand: “Active Self Protection” is a KZbin channel dedicated to educating us about protecting yourself and others while being a good, sane, sober, moral and prudent person. Go to ASP after this video. It’s fantastic!

[@antkevinbass]

This guy left for a reason. Between potential over kill and the gun being fake, this man probably believes he is in hot water. It is a shame because he had the courage to act, and I respect that. I believe he lost his composure and made a mistake. Unfortunately, you have to maintain your cool under pressure and if you do not it could end up with you becoming the bad guy.

[@mikefarmer4748]

Hero to zero in .25 sec. Shots 1-4 good. Shots 5-8 look good because the bad guy was still armed and threatening the customers at the last table by the door as well as people outside. Shot 9, hmmm, hope that the autopsy shows that he only shot a corpse.

[@alphainu]

Shot 9 is MURDER

[@MaMa-qh4dy]

Sorry commenters. But in my opinion, this entire video is SOLID ADVICE!!!!

[@BruceCross]

On the phone to 911 while shooting with one hand sounds like a bad idea.

[@Shutupbootlicker]

That’s not what he said haha! 😂

[@MattCurrieImprov]

He was talking about not calling 911 after the fact and just leaving instead.

[@tray22]

The threat ends when the threat is no longer capable of taking action. May not be the popular stance, but the victims' lives trump the life of the criminal in every case. This is especially the case when your kids, wife, husband, parents, etc, are also victims.

[@alphainu]

B.s.

[@tray22]

@alphainu I would love to hear what you think is b.s.

[@Ruger1022]

​@@tray22 they don't know

[@locallawcall8459]

I recognized the possible legal problems readily. I hope this works out OK, for "the good old boy". But I will say this, if we could legally respond like this I truly believe there would be a LOT less of this type of crime. The legal system is SLOW and laborious at best and criminal leaning (they have more rights than their victims) at worst. The system is BROKEN!

[@PRafto]

throw the book at the “good guy” after the threat was neutralized and he walked up and shot him in the head, he became a murderer. Point blank and simple. He is no less of a criminal than the guy who was committing the robbery.

[@locallawcall8459]

@@PRafto Spoken just like an arm chair quarterback.

[@adobetube5558]

@@PRafto the “good guy” is a hero. Stopped a crime and also prevented that loser from doing anything else in the future. You sound like you got family members who rob people and this angers you. Too bad.

[@faryldaryl3975]

As to the misjudged round count: I believe the shooter makes separate decisions to shoot, but is trained to the point that one decision = 2 - 3 rounds. It's a very old problem, an old saying was "Shoot four, load eight". I imagine a fast shooter like C.N. thought "fire" three times, but he was moving his trigger finger unconsciously the whole time. In an instance of an actual shooting, a man who worked at an indoor gun range shot a man who took a rented gun and rounded up the employees for execution. He said he would've sworn under oath that he fired twice, but he actually fired four times. I suspect ingrained training with double-taps led him to trigger two rounds every time his brain said "fire". And BTW even very experienced gunfght survivors like Cirillo have said they were never able to count their shots, they just fired until the revolver went "click" or the slide locked back.

[@AldoSchmedack]

Cirillo is a cool cat! Nobody counts, your brain narrows and nobody regardless of what they say can count.

[@edwardstubbs3976]

** A lot to think about. A lot I probably wouldn't think about without the teaching from these videos. Thank you USCCA 👍🏾**

[@danaoakes2098]

I think he either snapped because of the heightened situations going on in our country right now or he was genuinely still afraid the robber was not as injured to the point that he may roll over and shoot back...It's hard to know what he was thinking without being him...All I know is...Play stupid games,win stupid prizes...

[@chriswilliams6890]

Let him go

[@chriswilliams6890]

The self defender is what I ment

[@JavierGarcia-vb4pd]

13:46 this last part is gold

[@MatthewsTrueShow]

The only "iffy" thing is that final shot. One handed, bent over, point blank to the back of the head like an Execution kill. Yes the SUS came in with a gun. Was it fake, yes. Does other know that, no. I would of pulled to draw and done the same service, minus the final ppint blank 1 tap

[@JackGordone]

I see a lot of criticism here of your presentation. Two things: I've seen the video several times. There's a decided pause between the several first shots fired and the coup de grace given in the head. That is to say "the good guy" had time to reflect before delivering the final shot. And then the "good guy" dumped something, I believe coffee, on the corpse as he exited the taqueria. Second thing: I've sat on ten juries in my life. For that reason, I would not like to be the "good guy" in this situation. Conclusion: I think your analysis, at CC was 100% on the mark.

[@ryanupchurch9683]

A jury and a grand jury are two different worlds.

[@DocM-pj6bm]

Great video and professional advice! 👍

[@johnc1014]

On the one hand, I applaud this man for acting in self-defense. He didn't do everything right, but that shouldn't be expected. On the other hand, he did make some critical mistakes that may really come back to haunt him. 1) don't shoot in the back of the head, while the guy is down, unless there's a very good reason. 2) don't touch the weapon or suspect, except to render aid. 3) absolutely, do not leave the scene until police arrive. 4) have self-defense insurance and call them. Then, call police.

[@alewis8765]

It doesn't matter where you shoot someone. It only matters why.

[@originalgangsta5462]

That robber won't have the guts to do that again

[@MattCurrieImprov]

Or the brains

[@danh1738]

To go from defense to punitive actions disqualifies the defensive justification. Edit: If a criminal wants to use a fake gun, I'm all for it.

[@kevingary7018]

This guy left the scene of the shooting, and disappeared. I heard latter that he appeared with an attorney at a latter date. I have no idea the charges he may face, but I hope this type of encounter never happens to me.

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

As a veteran and a former L E O , I have always been drawn toward the sound of gunfire. I can sat target I'd is most important, then aquasition and engagement.

[@vega7865]

For real, my worst fear is two or more "good guys with a gun" shooting each other cause they can't tell the bad guy apart

[@ol-Sarge]

@@vega7865 i definitely will agree with your statement. I spent 31 years in law enforcement and never went to a shooting where anyone had “good guy” attached to their clothing. One of the reasons law enforcement officer put big patches on their uniforms that say police” or “sheriff” on them. Officers, especially detectives and off duty police yell out “police” for several reasons that include being accidentally shot by another officer. In our retired police training under LEOSA is to yell “retired police” for the same reason. Wearing a bade on your belt or held in your off hand was found to be significantly less effective that a bade worn around your neck and displaying it center chest, which is wear most shots will be aimed. Blue on blue happen too often. I would suggest that once the bad guy is down or the threat eliminated, you should holster your weapon until you have made contact with responding police and met them with open hands. Do not put it on the ground unless told to do so by police at you don’t want to give someone the chance to steal it or my a friend or family member of the person you just shot.

[@roseblite6449]

I'm still waiting on the autopsy to see which round was the ending one. If it was any of the first 8, last shot is only Desecration of Corpse. Also, as you mentioned, if the criminal's hand was moving towards the gun then it's still to end a threat. The Defensive Shooter turned himself in the day after. So far, no charges for him currently (last I heard).

[@13BGunBunny]

@@rnash-shannon9304 Sources? I would like to read the article too.

[@13BGunBunny]

@@rnash-shannon9304 Got a link to the article?

[@roseblite6449]

@@rnash-shannon9304 I would like to see the article as well. Link or complete title of article if Links are blocked please.

[@13BGunBunny]

@@rnash-shannon9304 What key words should we search for?

[@Lily-Alfies_Adventure]

Is there a website where I can find all the laws of gun carrying or gun laws in my state( I live in California). If there is, can someone post a link please? I recently got a gun for home defense, I have some knowledge, but I'll like to study these laws thoroughly. Thank you!

[@coyotekody]

I highly recommend "On Combat" by Dave Grossman, it goes over the psychology and physiology of use of force incidents. Personally, I think the defender had tunnel vision and didn't see the weapon slide away from the suspect and that caused him to continue to fire.

[@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548]

I think you are talking about the second set of four shots. These are questionable and shooter might be able to claim he didn't see it. But his next action is to pick up the toy gun and then fire the ninth and last shot into the head. At this point his only defense is to say he suspected, in the absence of any evidence, that the peep had a second gun. That is a tough position to convince a jury.

[@alphainu]

@@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548 it’s MURDER

[@jaybee8858]

Yes the "back-shooting scallywag". The one time they used a pirate in a western 😀

[@mustachio2]

I'd love a video on when a threat stops, because personally I wouldn't stop shooting until my mag is empty.

[@roobscoob47]

Thanks, Kevin~

[@MattCurrieImprov]

Yeah I think it’s a slippery slope to condone vigilantism, but like you say we don’t know all the details, I like your take on this a lot. A responsible and cogent take on this situation.

[@SplashOfOrange]

Definitely not a model situation of what TO do. Started a hero, ended a suspect arguably no better than the guy he shot. I get it, it'd be a charged stressful situation, which is exactly why you have to think through the aftermath of a defensive shooting BEFORE the defensive shooting. Taking a life, even in self defense, is not a right to be taken lightly. I was with him for the first few shots, after that it was literally overkill.

[@javoratree3861]

To me if the guy is still moving then he’s still a valid threat. Is that legal?? Not sure but that’s my perceptive looking at the video.

[@ol-Sarge]

You bring up a good point that is overlooked by writers, publishers and even USCCA . There are books and charts that will tell you where your concealed carry permit will let you carry. We need a database or a book that itemizes what constitutes lawful self defense in each of the states. Having a gun and not knowing if you can lawfully use it or not is actually more important. Having a gun in a prohibited location can get you maybe some jail time. Killing someone unlawfully will get you a long, long jail sentence.

[@vega7865]

The moment I saw the news I got full deja vu of you guys' video with Colin

[@showcasecharlie11]

We need to stop valuing the life of criminals who treat the public as less than human. There should be zero need for retaliatory prosecution when the evidence overwhelmingly supports that outcome.

[@robertdiggler6341]

The robber got what he signed up for. Plain and simple. The other guy is a hero. He made the world a better place.

[@duarteusa04]

Greetings from Alaska, your videos are very important to teach us and learn and understand the law and our rights and to learn what can we do or what we can not do. Thank you very much.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Hi Fernando! Thank you so much for the support!

[@FreeMonya]

That last shoot was a bit to much but everything else I approve of!!!

[@alphainu]

The last shot is MURDER. PERIOD

[@psycicmindpowers]

Would you convict him if on his jury? I'd acquit, let some desk jockey lawyer get robbed and show us how it's done.

[@D-KingMaker]

Did this man just say robbers should not be using toy guns??? You mean there should be no robbers

[@kennethcurtis1856]

Was the perp dead before the head shot?

[@brs690]

A proper investigator would chalk the last shots up as self defense. Some creative articulation to defend protectors is necessary sometimes.

[@richardefriend]

Here's a VERY simple way the dead dork could have avoided getting shot 9 times (including once in the head): stay the f out of, and don't try to rob, using either a real or fake gun, any place where people might be. It's truly a shame so many expensive bullets had to be wasted here--perhaps we can start a Go Fund Me page to help repay the Good Samaritan. But when the adrenalin starts flowing, and the shooting starts, a shooter's stopping the shooting is akin to a guy stopping peeing before he's thoroughly finished. Just sayin'.

[@danfromthesouth5352]

People are hailing him as a HERO??? First 4 shots were fine. Next 4 were ok ONLY if he can articulate how he didn’t notice him drop the gun. THE LAST SHOT WAS MURDER! (Only way that last shot wasn’t a coup de grâce, is if he can clearly articulate that it was a negligent discharge, and NOT another purposeful shot) This dude WILL end up in prison!!

[@evanwindom3265]

One thing to remember about the situation with Colion where he shot so many times... You always hear about shooting until the threat stops. In a simulation where you're not actually doing damage to the person, they will likely not react like someone who has been shot actually would. So, the threat continues. The "bad guy" stays upright so the good guy keeps shooting. The number of shots can be artificially inflated in simulated situations.

[@SneakerBoxTwine]

It was a road rage case in Philly a few weeks ago were they guy had a license to carry and still got locked up because he kept shooting when the other guy was on the ground he got charged with 3rd degree murder

[@robertbarnum7541]

One. Just because the dangerous threat goes down with some first shots does NOT mean that you are safe. They took the initiative to put you in mortal danger, you should be able to make sure that you are safe when you are in the safe-unsafe gray area. You should not be presumed to be an expert in shooting someone. Often these are average citizens in deadly danger for the first time in their life. Two. Adrenaline is skyrocketing in the defender. That is what is making their life-and-death actions possible. And that high level of action-taking can easily flow over and pass the precise moment when the 'safe' point is reached somewhere in the gray area time. It does not turn off with the precision that some prosecutor sitting in some quiet and safe office decides on. Big BS. In light of these aspects of life-and-death situations, now start to judge some other person. I know, because I went to prison because some prosecutor was prosecuting the last case of his career before retiring, and it was a 'newspaper' case. Everybody in law enforcement and the prison system acknowledged that it was self-defense during my 7 to 15 year sentence. The two elements above were conveniently ignored by the Justice System. I saved my own life so I really did not care.

[@johnhalpin5204]

you should watch the complete unedited video when he hit the ground the gun rolled out the door and he wasn't moving, the customer picked up the gun and shot him again in the head

[@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548]

Thanks for accurate recap of the full video.

[@danielmoore7582]

Weapon safety rules, Treat every weapon as if it is loaded, never point the weapon at anyone or anything that you do not intend to shoot, keep you're weapon on safe untill you intend to fire, keep you're finger straight and off the trigger untill you are ready to fire, AND THE UNSPOKEN, BUT ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTAINT, KNOW YOU'RE TARGET AND WHAT LIES BEHIND. bullets penetraite more than just what you shoot. The Primary Objective of anyone involved in a gunfight is always To locaite close width and neutrilize the threat, If the threat is no longer active you then should immediately render aid, EVEN TO THE PERPUTRAITOR, IF STILL ALIVE. If you are un-armed, or un-able to engage the threat safely without putting you're self or anyone else in danger, then you're objective is to evacuate you're self and any anyone else whom may need you're assistance and call for asisstiance once you are clear of any immediate threat. Remember Hero's are not just the guy that stops the bad guy. Heros are just the, right person, in the right place, at the right time, doing the right thing. Anyone could be a Hero. If you carry,practice with you're weapon system, train like you fight, deliberately as if it were the real thing. If you don't take it seriously you will make a mistake.

[@strikingdistance2898]

Look at the video of your USCCA member that stopped an active shooter on Dec 18 , 2022 in Tucson AZ.

[@robedmund9948]

The perp was pointing his weapon at other patrons. Righteous shoot. Period. Still, he should not have taken the last shot, and he should have stuck around.

[@jahmive]

last 3 imo but he was probably shooting at a corps by that point if you saw the whole thing.

[@Juriel86]

Apparently he show up to the station with the attorney

[@neiluscook2283]

Oh? Can you give out a news link?

[@AlexanderSy]

The fact that the defender left before the police arrived, doesn't help his case either, if they pursue excessive force charges.

[@frankleverett1525]

The good guy was never charged. One lawyer stated. The shooter was still a threat walking out of the restaurant. Why the good guy left the scene. If you ever been in a situation like this. You are not in the right state of mind. Any police officer will tell you to never make a statement immeditally. Give your self 24 to 48 hours. Also, just because the suspect is down does not techincal mean he is not still a threat. . In any case the good guy was never charged. Do not mess with Texas.

[@sergiotenorio4990]

Don’t tell them to stop using toy guns. As a law abiding citizen. I like those odds

[@Hitch799]

It seems like where missing the point the bad guy got what he deserved. Because lawyer’s get involved and screw up what real justice looks like. We would have a lot less crime!

[@Thedoug369]

I would have been drawn on the guy as he walked away, but probably wouldn't have shot him unless he turned around before he walked out the door. I'm thinking that now, but I wasn't there 🤔

[@spookymulder945]

Soooo should I fire two guns at the same time while jumping sideways in a 90s three piece suit John Woo style?

[@smokingdivot1762]

dude. Robbers should always be using toy guns!

[@joshuatoler1965]

you should show the video because that’s real life

[@fleatactical7390]

KZbin, being the weak-kneed cvnts that they are, would probably ban the channel.

[@starletsmokey3508]

It’s on you tube, watch it on active self defense channel

[@bradleyhightower4668]

You still wouldn't see it , KZbin would monetize the video

[@dmitriy8439]

Actually Colion was absolutely correct in the famous training episode - he was shooting as long as the bad guy was moving 😊

[@mikefarmer4748]

His case was an active kidnapping, of course he had to be shot.

[@kylevantassel7259]

I hear all of this and yeah , most people will get some benefit from this broken down this way. However , there is a large number of people that know what the system has turned into . The reality is that the system WANTS to prosecute you regardless of how you handled this .The cops want to arrest you , the DA wants to prosecute you AND get a conviction. So anyone in the act of defending their own life up to and including doing it in your own home will have to spend a boat load of money and time and anguish defending the actions they took. They system has unlimited tax money to spend hounding you and breaking you. It matters very little how you handled it for the ride . Perhaps in the end after you are bankrupt and devorced you will be aquited . But it matters very little at that point now doesnt it ? Ive seen break downs on this video over and over again and all of them are the same. What the guy did versus what he shoulda done . Back shooting , head shooting. Yes , I get it , we all get it. But not a single person sees this from the perspective of the CCW holder that took the shots. No one breaks that down.. I guess thats a no no . So lets delve into that for a moment . In the eyes of many and no doubt the ones that have had to take a life before , this guy wrote a blank check the second he walked in there trying to rob the place with a gun in his hand pointing it at people . The decision is made imediately that hes going to be put down.. But that cannot happen . The shooter has to be patient and hope nothing bad happens in that time period of wait . Imagine his stress in those few moments while he has to wait to get the upper hand... At any second the robber could pop someone and here you sit waiting . The reality is that it was all a count down from the moment the robber walked in . So when the opportunity finally comes the CCW guy takes it after waiting what must have felt like forever and he gets a round in the guy . He then takes advantage of the upper hand he has created and finishes the job. Why ? Well he knew the second the guy walked in the door his life was never going to be the same. He knew he would go broke trying to defend himself from a system thats out of control . So the better question is , WHY NOT ? Finish the guy off and then leave . How is he any worse off ? THink of this as the guy would be thinking about it. The robber will not rob anyone else ever again and the system wont spend hundreds of thousands of dollars over him. We also know that the system is HORRIBLE at catching anyone that isnt a complete idiot . So odds are this guy will live out the rest of his life and never hear another thing about what he had to do . Exactly how it should be . What did he have to lose ? The system was coming after him anyway . atleast this way he has a fair chance instead of offering himself up like a lamb. Dont get me wrong . I am sickened by whats become of our system and that any person that has to defend themselves has to think about all of that at the same time. But I get it . I completely get why a person would choose to handle it this way. I think in fact that the state of the system is a persons best defense in court these days... No jury in the land can argue that the system is off the rails out in the weeds....

[@knifelore1647]

I wouldn't do that, but under certain circumstances I can see that!

[@Dirtycracker]

So what was the out come of this story?

[@13BGunBunny]

I don't call it a "Long distance hole puncher", I call it a "Freedom seed spreader". Just saying. :-)

[@alphainu]

That’s very idiotic

[@13BGunBunny]

@@alphainu Your comment is what?

[@alphainu]

@@13BGunBunny mine is a judgment on yours. Which reflects your i.q.

[@13BGunBunny]

@@alphainu 🤣🤣

[@williamh5405]

Interesting, telling bad guys not to use a fake gun. But true. The focus is now not on what the bad guy did but on how many shots the good guy took. Maybe comes from movies and TV, where one shot and they're down and out. Real life's not like that but juries may not experience real-life situations vs watching TV, etc.

[@fecalfetus7902]

All the overthinking that occurs within our courts to prove a hero as a villain is preposterous

[@justinhorrell2251]

Anyone know the outcome of this case now1 yr later

[@rbwood1978ify]

No charges filed 🇺🇸

[@edrosa3485]

Devil's advocate: The good guy did not seem like he was part of gun culture. There have been times at the range where i pull the trigger when I'm not exactly ready (while still taking aim). In that situation; under that stress he could have been approaching with his finger on the trigger and could have pulled that trigger the last time not necessarily intending to shoot him in the head.

[@zenrider16701]

I understand the legal hoops. But I was OK with everything. Even the end.

[@vonhalberstadt3590]

He didn't want to risk the perp getting up or squeezing off a shot. AND the good guy did not have the opportunity to think this through as the perp did. So, there is no way it was premeditated. Monday morning quarterbacking is inappropriate in this life and death situation. Orémus Y'all.

[@hicknopunk]

Shooting someone from behind is a flanking attack.

[@commando68]

I saw the complete video. The man shot the robber four times in quick succession and the robber went down, dropping the gun. The man then shot him four more times while walking towards the robber. He then picked up the robbers gun, stepped over the robber and shot him in the head at close range. A total of nine shots. He then left the scene(bad move). This is not a good example of a responsible armed citizen This man wanted to be sure he killed this robber, not just to stop him. The police did not identify the man until I believe the next day when the mans lawyer called them. There seems to be a question of weather or not the head shot was the fatal blow. In my humble opinion, the head shot shows that he intended to make sure the robber was dead. That's murder weather or not he was dead at the time or not. It show intent. I'd like to hear your opinion on this.

[@OnlineAdjunct]

Even assuming he did everything else right, leaving the scene was wrong. If leaving the scene of a car accident is wrong, leaving the scene in which you shot someone must be wrong too.

[@haroldjohnson2041]

The movie "scream" the bad guy came back to life then the heroine shot the bad guy was in the head, stating "not in my movie". Sometimes you just got to make sure.

[@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548]

Making decisions based on movies can lead to.mistakes. I don't carry silver bullets because I saw a movie about vampires.

[@haroldjohnson2041]

@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548 sometime you need a sense of humor

[@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548]

@@haroldjohnson2041 this is not a joking matter.

[@haroldjohnson2041]

@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548 when you are scared you do what you need to do.

[@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548]

@harold Johnson agreed. But the court will apply the "reasonable person standard" to determine whether your fear is justified. He picked up the perp's gun from the floor, (later proven to be a toy gun), then delivered the head shot. A reasonable person might conclude this shot was not in self defense, but an execution.

[@thedude883]

Please loose the two lights in the background. They make it hard to watch this video.

[@BreonFobbs]

Damn... He is seriously going to prison. All jokes aside, he should have just been more educated on steps of things to do after stopping a threat.

[@johnwow4u]

I'm good with the disposition of the crook. He had the right NOT to rob anyone.

[@shadetreeracer3715]

Talking about it and being in the situation is totally different believe me

[@Gottaculat]

Something my dad taught me about his time in Vietnam is you shoot your enemy in the head before approaching them. The reason why is because they may be temporarily unconscious, and even if you kick away their gun, they may wake up and pull out another gun or a knife. You have to assume they are a threat until you put a round through the base of their skull. So I personally think what this guy did was the correct thing to do given the situation. The moment the bad guy threatened other people with presumably deadly force is when he gave consent to end his life. I maintain the patron who thwarted that dirt bag is to be commended. If more people stood up to violent criminals like that, we'd have a lot less criminals. I don't care about the criminal's sob story; he was the one at fault here. No rational person does that, so you have to assume the guy is a threat, and that if you let him go, he will continue to be a threat to others. It's not like our shooter cut out the dude's heart and ate it; that would be excessive force.

[@fleatactical7390]

His momma said "he wuz gonna be a doctah!"

[@SomeDigitalGhost]

I don't know, man. I agree with the sentiment, but this isn't clear, so it's going to bring a lot of opinions, and theyre all subjective. I agree fully that it's a clean shoot all the way up to the headshot. I have no idea if the headshot was necessary. Even if it's not, though, I don't think the patron should see the inside of a jail cell. Community service or court mandated training, or something as corrective measures, but definitely not jail/prison time.

[@fleatactical7390]

@@SomeDigitalGhost We won't know because we don't have all the details. If the guy was still moving and seemed to be still capable of causing harm, then it's justified. Just because someone has been shot 5, 6, even 10 times doesn't mean they are dead or incapacitated. Plenty of anecdotal evidence in that regard. As for prison time, we'll have to see. Hoping the grand jury makes the right decision. I think his greatest concern will be with a civil suit from his mother, but even then she pretty much shot herself in the foot when she LITERALLY acknowledged what he was doing was wrong and got what he deserved (paraphrasing of course).

[@kchiloquin5570]

If he did not attempt to play robber /killer with a gun. He might still be alive. Be confident and do not hesitate. Life is a risk.😮

[@daffidavit]

Anybody remember the subway shooting by Bernhard Goetz in NYC back in 1984? This is very similar. Maybe we can all learn something from the Berrine Getz subway shooting.

[@lyfandeth]

It was a mercy killing.

[@Joe-oo3xv]

Right up until he shot him in the head while down. Not so sure

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

My guess is that he's going to jail. I can see making a case for opening fire, while the robber was walking away. Walking in the direction of the door doesn't necessarily mean he's leaving. Moving to leave doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't intend to turn at the door and open fire on people. But shooting him in the head after he's down, when you had to walk over to him to do it? That's an execution. I can't imagine a jury accepting that one. The penalty for robbery is not death. The penalty for assault with a deadly weapon isn't death. I can't countenance a fellow concealed carrier taking it upon himself to execute someone that hasn't fired a shot and is no longer a threat.

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

@R Nash-Shannon 100%. You must work, always to be deserving of victory, in any conflict or competition. Celebrating a flagrant murder is fundamentally incompatible with that. What this man did stands as an argument against the cause to preserve our rights, not for it.

[@ryanupchurch9683]

Don’t commit armed robberies in Harris county. Life forfeiture. Don’t like it. Don’t come here.and especially don’t bring a fake gun to a gun fight.

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

@@ryanupchurch9683 Yeah...I'm sure you enjoyed typing that. Unfortunately for the armed citizen, your KZbin comment is going to be cold comfort, when the bars slam home. It will be even less comforting when he reaches the point, that it really sinks in, that had he just stopped after the guy went down, he'd be living his life, instead of watching it slip by.

[@Huntress_Hannah]

The guy executed that man. That’s just murder at that point.

[@TattsnGuns]

I personally believe that if you are willing to show that you don't care about human life and you are using a deadly object in a selfish manner, you automatically forfeit your right to live. The law may not stand by the dude for taking that shot to the head, but I do. It's time to stop giving criminals who don't value human life rights just cause they are not a threat anymore. That man saved tax payer money, the justice system time, and I'd happily buy that man a beer.

[@TattsnGuns]

@R Nash-Shannon 1. You've obviously never been in a gun fight before, a fight for your life, or even a fist fight as is. 2. You obviously don't know how the legal system works. Please go educate yourself on the realities of self defense and the legal system. Don't reply back til you do. I don't debate people who don't do their research.

[@TattsnGuns]

@R Nash-Shannon Brother, I'm a Marine veteran and a former bail bondsman. My life has been in danger wayyyy more times then you'll ever know or experience just as a regular civilian. I've been on the ins and outs of the justice system. I like how to added the multiple states thing. If you truly know what you are talking about, you'd know very well that every state, county, court, district, judge, and da is fluidly different. Self defense is not a one size fits all laws situation by any means. I've seen convicted sex offenders who get arrested for not registering walk out of jail on a pr bond. The fact that you predict my future by your misunderstanding and ignorance of the law is very comical. Try harder, stupid.

[@TattsnGuns]

@R Nash-Shannon what are you talking about? I responded to you 16 hours now. Provide your email and I'll show you proof. Unless you know I responded, and acting like I never did, and trying to play it off.

[@XrayMike17plus1]

The final Shor was sketchy. However, is this an area with cashless bail and a revolving door on the legal system? Did the robber have gang affiliations? if so... maybe the guy was preventing retaliation that he expected would be coming. Was he just keeping the guy off his six? If we can't trust that criminals stay behind bars, expect more of this. No survivor = no future retaliation by that angry criminal...

[@jackferguson2491]

They should give the good guy with a gun a metal for taken this criminal out . Because he saved a lot of lives and stop this criminal from doing this ever again

[@bradleyhightower4668]

My opinion, once the guy was down , the treat was gone , if he then popped dude in the head after then yea it became more than self defense.

[@yeezus9142]

Straight up murder lol

[@duarteusa04]

If you have the video, what else you need???????????????? And why you don't want to show it???? Is something wrong to see it or what happened through the video????

[@King-ci8sk]

The desk pop was questionable. But if I was on the jury. Not guilty

[@alphainu]

Guilty of murder

[@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548]

John Forces ASP channel has the full video. I see 4 good shots, pause, bad guy goes down, gun slides across floor under table left of door, four more shots to body, good guy closes and picks up gun, then fires final shot to head. If I am on the jury, I would have to vote to convict. I would feel bad about it, but as soon as we strap on a concealed carry weapon we accept a higher responsibility to control our emotions. His only hope is that this is Texas, and in Texas juries accept the "he needed killing" defense.

[@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548]

John Correa. Damn auto correct.

[@michaelmcfarlane7663]

Whaaaat? “Robbers should not be using toy guns?” You would prefer that they use REAL LOADED WEAPONS? How about “robbers” stop robbing. Shame on you for walking the fine line of seeming to make the perp the victim!

[@starletsmokey3508]

Yeah right, good advice to robbers