ECCENTRIC SPEED IS CRUCIAL

[@davidfreeman1433]

Really think that his training philosophy is entirely hypertrophy based ( BODYBUILDING )

[@WenningStrength]

If you watched the whole video it says that.

[@Minivanmusician]

@@davidfreeman1433 it is. It's in the name of his app lol

[@jonnyoneplate]

If I remember correctly Phd Mike said in a recent video something like "I do jiujitsu so I know how to coach for sport"

[@gmontenegro9711]

@@davidfreeman1433 indeed… it’s not for powerlifting / Olympic weightlifting. I implement hypertrophy for accessories.

[@lennyowens5422]

@@jonnyoneplate he's literally a black belt. But he's talking about hypertrophy when he's talking about controlled eccentrics. He has said MANY times that sport specific training is very different

[@stepheneldridge3637]

All of Israetel's line of thinking seems to be geared toward hypertrophy. That's fine because that's his lane. He should stay in that lane because when it comes to athletics, he comes off like a Call of Duty player telling a SWAT operator how to clear a room. The guy has a lot of knowledge. There's just a bit of the Dunning Kruger effect going on.

[@TheJacali]

Couldn’t agree more man. Every time I go up in weight, typically every 4-6 months. I always start slow the first 2-4 months, then as I can handle the weight I start incorporating speed reps with that weight. It helps to know you can dominate that weight before moving on. I also like to reduce the weight and do speed reps for high reps as well! It’s definitely working based on results 💪 God bless you man! You should totally do a collaboration with Eric Buganhagen, I’d LOVE to see that!

[@EDtheIslander]

Agree 💯. In my teens I trained more like a bodybuilder, so I focused on slow reps , especially eccentrics. But as I picked up training again, I decided to train more like a power lifter. I use faster reps and I not only got stronger in my fifties, but got more muscle. I know what they say about slow eccentrics , and maybe I’m an outlier, but for me the “over speed “ method is way superior.

[@brad5349]

Matt I listened to you back in the 2010s when I was competing and coaching. The speed work made a big difference on my lifts and the people I worked with. If I want to learn about bodybuilding I'll listen to guys like Mike, if I want to get stronger or be a better athlete I'll listen to content from guys like you.

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯💯

[@tristanrecknor7046]

As more research comes out, the more we are finding explosive eccentric RFD is far more important than we thought. Guys like Rolf Ohman and Randy Huntington from the T&F world have been preaching this for a long-time, finally starting to catch on more for Performance Coaches. I think it's safe to say Dr. Mikes audience is 'assumed' to be bodybuilding/hypertrophy based and I think from his videos thats the implied context he's speaking in when it comes to slow eccentrics. Like you had mentioned, people struggle with the word "implied" and need things to be black and white for them. So mentioning overspeed eccentrics is crucial for performance is absolutely right. I think Dr Mike knows this as well and if asked, would say eccentrics would look different for an athlete vs someone looking for just hypertrophy. There's no battle here...just contexually dependent :)

[@WenningStrength]

Yep except for the fact he’s using one of my videos on how not to train

[@tristanrecknor7046]

@ I did not notice that the first time, watched it before you made a response. The response makes more sense now lol my apologies

[@CankleCankle]

Thanks for the video Dr Matt. People like to cite Mike Menzer and his programs. If you are trying to build muscle at all costs, then yeah maybe follow his advice. But for most of us, we want more than just muscle building. We want the strength, yes, but also we want good mobility, and overall a body that functions correctly. So when we’re looking for influencers to give advice, we need to remember that some folks have different goals and you should decide for yourself what you want to prioritize in the gym.

[@sunnysideup5826]

love these very constructive and professional responses. Context matters. thank you for clarifying it Doctor Matt!

[@janoycresva276]

Of course, this is the same Dr Mike Israetel saying that people should be training with 52 sets a week when he’s not making idiotic vulgar jokes for most of the time his videos last.

[@peopleequalshit414]

@@janoycresva276 can't seem to find the videos or articles where he mentions 52 sets/week, any links?

[@gnomenorthofthewall]

I've missed something. I think I've seen everything from Dr. Mike on the free youtube, and I don't think I've ever seen him say that you shouldn't move fast if you are training for strength/power/athleticism. (Original video you are addressing should always be shown) Dr.Mike has said many many times that if you want to maximize muscle growth as in bodybuilding context you should go slow, and nothing in this video said otherwise. There was no evidence presented that if you want to optimal muscle mass growth you would benefit from speed. 95% of Dr.Mikes advice are for pure bodybuilding not for any other goal. All said, I think it was quite pointless from Matt to target this against Dr.Mike and pure muscle mass building. Otherwise good video for those parts that had correct context

[@Kyle111]

@@gnomenorthofthewall I think Matt’s video is targeted at Dr. Mike’s videos reacting to other athletes training. Most of whom are not training for hypertrophy (or solely for hypertrophy). I’d agree that Mike knows that training for athleticism is different and knows the nuances between the two. I think he may be overly critical of other coaches (sometimes) and is assuming they’re training for hypertrophy and critiquing accordingly.

[@korhankaya6637]

Dr Matt Wenning on point! 👏 👏 👏

[@christopherbrady1394]

Eccentric speed is crucial for lifting max weight but not crucial for building muscle. I agree that powerlifters and people trying to build absolute power and strength need to focus on bar speed but for bodybuilders there is a unique benefit that comes with slower more controlled eccentrics especially those who actively compete in bodybuilding competition

[@WenningStrength]

They need both but yes

[@QKVCS27]

LOUIE IS SMILING

[@WenningStrength]

💪💪💪

[@RawRobBeast]

Thanks for putting this into context... We need more nuance to the exercise discourse out there, so having an expert like you break it down is great. What you say in this video is exactly what comes to mind when watching those exercise critique videos where useful things are often dismissed as useless (only due to their supposed lack of optimization in making you bigger).

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯💯

[@sayonkumarbiswas3886]

Yeah man I followed you for years now traind how you said on your way of conjugate.. and Dr Mike only talking for only beginners... And your more of a performance guy and I totally agree with you 💯

[@sammarunowski5966]

Well done response video woth respect and facts only. Excellent breakdown of how overspeed eccentrics/speed/power development are not only huge for enhancing performance for max effort lifts and elite atheltic performance on the field, but crucial in promoting saftey as we age. Speed and power declines more rapidly than size/hypertrophy, was an excellent point to make. You're the man.

[@rossthebossstrongman]

Your videos have helped me more than anything in my training over the years.

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯💯

[@benjaminshoultz9657]

I'm excited for the Dr. Matt lecture circuit

[@silatguy]

Doing bands on anything is probably the best way to get that lift strong, quick.

[@fortnitetrashcan8308]

like a banded bench press?

[@silatguy]

@fortnitetrashcan8308 yeah banded bench, squat, deads, ohp

[@fortnitetrashcan8308]

@@silatguy is a 225 bench enough to start using bands? or should i stick just regular benching until i reach like 315

[@TevynSmith]

I love dr Mike, but I really love wenning also.

[@twistedstrength.]

Whilst I understand that Mike caveats his critiques with respect to hypertrophy, his tendency of dismissing athlete's routines when they are weight training for athletics can be disappointing. His PHD is supposed to qualify him for athletic training, but all he ever talks about is hypertrophy. That's fine if he is criticizing bodybuilders. I think it confuses people when he starts criticizing athletes who are using weights to train performance. Yeah, sometimes he does talk about the sports specific advantage of the movements they are using. He just doesn't share his sports science knowledge very often when discussing their training regiments. One thing I noticed when he critiqued some of the all-time greats in sports is that he cannot get past the fact that they are not using the form he wants them to. These guys are used to doing their movements in the most efficient way possible. It makes perfect sense for someone like LeBron James to be awkward while trying to do bodybuilding movements. If you walked around in life doing everything the way a bodybuilder should train, your whole life would be much harder than it needs to be. These guys are the best in the world because they do what they do efficiently. Bodybuilding, by nature, forces you to do movements as difficult as you can make it. That's literally what they constantly emphasize. Put all the effort onto the muscle itself. Don't make it easy. Well the problem is that you as an athlete want to make it easy. You want to do these movements as efficiently as you can. This is why athletes will often drift more towards performance based weight training, such as what you're describing with speed and power. Even athletes who are trying to put on size should be doing so whilst maximizing their power output. That should not be done with pure bodybuilding. Strength and power and speed should be included in that weight gain protocol.

[@locomike102]

That, and his near complete dismissal of any form of hard cardio as completely unnecessary and even detrimental (for many of same IFBB pro-centric reasons you posted). I'm trying to get big, but I'm also trying to be fit and live a long, healthy life, and not get winded loading plates on the bar. Occasional zone 4-5 cardio has been a game-changer for my overall health and has allowed me to push much harder in the weight room because my recovery is much improved.

[@kucuser]

Mikes PHD is an ass cleaner, guy thinks that inactive core muscles is a myth and if someone had inactive core muscles, he would simply fall. While our body is incredible machine of finding ways to recompensate for muscles that are inactive in making others way more active, just so we can function longer. That is like a foundation of our movement system. He talks absolute bs on many terms like your grip is not as strong as your shoulders so you should use versa grips(shameless shit product placement), anybody that trains grip and i mean anybody that has moderate health is going to get to a point when their grip is stronger not only than their shoulders but like 3rd or 4th strongest muscle group overall. I like his humor tho.

[@grunge-mb9sb]

Power phase/ hypertorphy phases can be used intellegently in a program to achieive the goal of the athelete. If they need power and agility then speed eceentrics is what is needed.Motor unit accural is critical for strength atheletes. Even for body building ultra slow eccentrics isnt always tje best ... unless you want to be in the gym for 3 hrs. ALSO there has never been a fast bodybuilder. Quite the opposite.

[@WarhorseConjugate-q3z]

I'm so glad you're addressing this. We absolutely need the stretch reflex, for explosive lifting. Not only does it protect the lifter, it develops real power. Quality Matt, not quantity. The shear volume of a dynamic day is plenty of hypertrophy. If there's no technique, there's no explosive movements.... not too mention we don't want to burn out in the eccentric. Conjugate Method is the ONLY power lifting method that addresses speed adequately, and specifically. Wenning Strength in some ways is moving real power lifting forward, from the Lou's establishing the Method.

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯

[@WarhorseConjugate-q3z]

@@WenningStrength If you're really looking for hypertrophy only work [because you're not smart, or performance driven, TrainbyJP is a much better bet.

[@JeremyCarver-z9l]

Dr Mike’s stuff really only applies to hypertrophy. He has good stuff for hypertrophy and that’s really it. Matt’s knowledge is performance driven for the most part and he is great at that. What I do is take some from both along with other guys that have good information like Joe DeFranco and mind pump. U don’t have to only take information from one person

[@someguy2972]

And Dr Andy Galpin thinks training for hypertrophy is basically idiot proof hahah. Mike is a funny guy though, and is definitely worth listening to.

[@JeremyCarver-z9l]

@@someguy2972 no doubt about that

[@robbiesmith1516]

I teach my kids to lower the bar as fast as possible while keeping control of the bar. I agree with you on this

[@Indbolwebelieve]

I have trained bodybuilding style all my Life and believe me when you implement speed work you see how slow and not athletic you are

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯💯

[@jamok3]

Awww shit! This is Biggie and Pac all over again!👊🏿

[@JohnSmith0909]

Loved this message, every athlete has different needs! According to my Strength and Conditioming class, that why our NSCA tb tells us to do the NEEDS analysis

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯💯

[@ChasingTheeDragon]

I think this might be an issue of perception. Dr. Mike never claimed to be a "strength" guy. His specialty is in periodization and hypertrophy. I think it might be more productive to have a public conversation with him than to beef for no reason? Love the both of you, hope to see some kind of collaboration in the future.

[@WenningStrength]

We are friends there’s no beef:)

[@papageorgio123123]

i like to mix up eccentric speed from super slow to drop catches. I feel like dropping into the bottom of any lift by controlled relaxing and then catching with appropriate engagement adds a plyo metric benefit and improves reflexes.

[@romanvolchek5232]

Had the same thoughts when watching Mike's video. Speed eccentric definitely has its place in training athletes. Me and my clients got a lot from it, pro athletes use itin practically every sport. It's just not the tool for hypertrophy and definitely not for novices

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯💯

[@MeanBob_Games]

I recently did a charity lifting event...I had not lifted for power for over a year and was not up to my normal strength standard (which isnt that strong in the first place) and when testing yo see where my strength was at about 4-5 weeks out I realized I was not going to be able to push my 1RM strength effectively in the next 4-5 weeks by simply increasing the weight on the bar. So I reduced the weight on the bar and worked for speed. The result was that I hit numbers that I would have failed in my assessment the month before. And the reps were fast and clean. Speed training definitely works.

[@thepsychopimp]

It’s called weightLIFTING, not weightlLOWERING. Common sense tells us lowering a weight unnecessarily slow is a waste of energy

[@davorzdralo8000]

Common sense is worthless. Scientific studies tell us that slow eccentrics are superior for hypertrophy.

[@thebigac4503]

What Matt says is king. The end lol. His achievements, science background and experience all adds up to the best information on the web.

[@thedaily.warrior]

Legend. Solid as always 💪🏻🙏🏻 SAID principle - if you want to be fast you need to move fast. Max effort and dynamic effort must be there. Motor unit firing rate, coordination, reduction in antagonist coactivation and muscle fiber shortening speed. Like why you’d ignore that if you’re an athlete 🤔

[@WenningStrength]

Or even a normal person

[@ivansevo427]

I think for some athletes his philosophy would work fine. Someone who is already naturally explosive and needs to put more muscle, or in the off-season spend some time doing hypertrophy work. But if you go to popular sports(⚽, 🏈, 🏀) and train like him year round be prepared to get crushed by genetic freaks and guys who train smarter and are actually improving their athleticism

[@5150hs]

Since discovering this KZbin channel, your techniques and tips have gotten me stronger. I know I’m nobody special, but just wanted to let you know that this 61 year-old is setting some powerlifting records here in California 💪🏋️‍♀️🥇

[@WenningStrength]

Man that’s awesome!!! Proud of you

[@5150hs]

@@WenningStrength Thank you 🙏. Just wanted to let you know you’re making a difference to this viewer and that I appreciate you 🤜🏻🤛🏻

[@norbertshufflebottom2776]

Dr Mike shows you how to build muscle, when you decide to use muscle for a sport you need specific training advice that is for that particular sport,there are many people who just want to look great feel healthy ,Dr Mike gets you there, If I were interested in say baseball I'd listen to those who train baseball players, its common sense you need to learn to move fast , and in the world of powerlifting speed is used in training as you know so yes for that sport and many others speed is desired and should be trained for ,Dr Mike Israetel is though the best there is if you want to build muscle and not just for beginners either ,Horses for courses , fan of both Matt and Mike and many others too.

[@WenningStrength]

Telling people slow action is exactly for beginners w poor form. Never underestimate type 2 fibers

[@erikbuysbricks1562]

I don’t fully trust anyone who’s says “there’s only one best way for everyone to train”, and then proceeds to try to sell you something that reflects that style. He definitely says a lot of good stuff, but people can’t take someone’s word as gospel just because there’s a “Dr.” In front of their name.

[@bobdog90]

I'm confused. Wouldn't you say Matt is also telling you exactly what to do to optimize training?

[@ZethUDSRakaSDAL]

@@bobdog90I would say he nearly never rules something out and most is a kind of "depends". Slow eecentric for example are utilized a lot by Wenning for hyperthrophy, but not for sport performance.

[@HenchPig]

Mike recently bashed dynamic effort work in his Brian Shaw lifting critique. Brian was doing something like 10x2 on DE box squats with bands and Mike said it was not very good for building power.

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯

[@Brk_Lifts]

I like most of Mike’s stuff, the vast majority of it, but Brian Shaw is not someone to be critiqued on strength training.

[@michaelstepp5878]

great info as always Matt.

[@DanBarbatti]

Thank you Matt ! I think you said you knew Dr. Mike.. I would love to see you on his podcast to debate some of this stuff.

[@WenningStrength]

Ahhh if he ever asks I will

[@HardSson]

I don't know, I've been building more muscle/strength through Dr. Mikes principles (exaggerating them a bit more, too, slower and longer pauses). To be fair the Hypertrophy app is not really for beginners but more intermediates/advanced lifters like me. But I wish I started with his principles way earlier so it applies to beginners too. When I was fucking around with sub-optimal form and other types of training my joints hurt way more then full range of motion and controlled eccentrics (with both strength and hypertrophy).

[@ASpowersports]

Mikes about to sell his wenning belt squat now.

[@WenningStrength]

😂😂😂😂

[@jacobwoods6153]

It seems like guys that promote conjugate are always getting hate but the fact of the matter is that when Louie was alive everybody knew Westside was the best. Look at all of the guys that have come out of Westside and done their own thing lol Wendlers 5/3/1, EliteFTS, you, so on and so forth. Its one thing to have a few elite guys, its another for you to have basically everybody that goes through there being elite... Im not on any special supplements, I probably have average to above average genetics, I only do raw lifting and conjugate has blown my lifts through the roof and I played college baseball so I have an athletic background... It works.

[@WenningStrength]

💯💯💯💯

[@freehatespeech6804]

I'm just a calisthenics bro, and conjugate training stalls the emergence of elbow pain for me, thus allowing higher training frequency because I'm not bottlenecked by joint recovery, thus getting me faster gains and better results

[@michaelabercrombie7698]

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long and you have burned so very very brightly Roy.

[@jacobwoods6153]

@@freehatespeech6804 Bands help a ton out with that stuff (pain in elbows, or anywhere else). Phenomenal for connective tissues.

[@TrainWithTRIDDY]

there nothing more fun than moving weight really fast - 1. its fun 2. it doesn't take as long to load up heavy weights haha. I love speed eccentrics!

[@kidbrown2010]

It's so damaging that these new kids that just wanna look decent for an everyday person are being presented this idea that to get there they must go through this narrow path and anything on the edges in the weight room is counter productive or the "wrong" way of doing it. Look at every single discipline resistance related.. they all have people who lool phenenonal. Even you, if you dieted down to competition levels I'm not sure you don't outplace Mike.

[@kirkchurchil8216]

They have a copout for that they just say those people look like that because they have good genetics.

[@timtwing5886]

Mike israetel has good information on how to develop muscle(hypertrophy) but I think he needs to stick with bodybuilding! Mike was in a video that I watched critiquing Westside and he said sled dragging was a waste of time. It has nothing to do with squatting or deadlifting and it's not good for gpp! Only an idiot would say that! If you really think sled dragging isn't great for gpp then you've never done it or you didn't do it long enough or you probably tried to use too much weight! There's also specific ways you drag the sled to Target specific muscles, particularly weak points! I've dragged a sled with a barbell and weights on my back before! Box squatting or wide stance squatting isn't going to make your squat go up!? Well that's funny Mike because that's exactly what made my squad go up as well as my deadlift! There were a handful of things in the video where Mike and the other guy they weren't even making sense when they talked! They mentioned specificity a handful of times and said if you want gpp do the movements with lighter weight for higher reps practice specificity and I'm not saying that that's not good for gpp but specificity also puts a lot of mileage on the body in the same spots. The same stimulus and over time specificity just gives the same result! I seldom the conventional deadlift, My conventional squat stance along with low bar squat, and my conventional press! I test for a one rep max about every 12 weeks but all the other times I'm using special exercises, variations of the main lift! Everybody always talks about specificity, but a lot of the reasons that I see that people don't increase their lifts is because they're doing specificity (The classical lifts) All the time! That's exactly why their lifts are stale!

[@alexiustroskie9754]

I like these debate style videos.

[@square7935]

classic Dr. Mike spreading his own agenda on training when shits just so far from right

[@Chris-yg6lo]

I'm so glad someone finally addressed that guy. He is constantly complaining about the way athletes workout. He si.mply does not understand that some people need to function at the highest level and not just build muscle.

[@albertpaxton4855]

Great video!

[@JaimeCaparo]

Like always bro, talk about very different objects, or never accomplished in the matter, never gonna stay in the matter. But I always sead the same to others like you sead

[@CzechNickOut]

As someone who had gravitated from strength training for some time and is getting back into it, I very much appreciated how you handled this situation. As a CSCS holder, I have always regarded your work, experience, and accomplishments as extremely rare and valuable in an already somewhat niche field that is constantly bombarded with the latest gimmicks or trends. With that being said, I do agree that Dr. Israetel has a lot of ground to stand on for hypertrophy training too. You had 100 or more ways to handle this yet you chose to be respectful, dispute Mike’s claims in a way that didn’t take away from his credibility and experience yet showed your intellectual ability and high respect for other’s work and accomplishments. You have a lifelong follower here 💪

[@WenningStrength]

Need a few million of ya brother 🙏

[@RoidfreeSenior]

Yeah, I am subscribed to Dr Mike.. he has an obvious bias towards bodybuilding and therefore to hypertrophy. I have also been a longtime fan of Westside ideas and Matt's stuff. There are factors besides bigger muscles involved in getting stronger and getting faster, more explosive, etc. Learn from as many good sources as possible and don't limit yourself. Most of us I think would love to get all these benefits as opposed to maximizing only one to the detriment of the others. I like doing a cycle of speed work on the only powerlift I can still do worth a darn... deadlifts, in fact I just did a short cycle doing multiple sets of 3s with moderate weight. If nothing else, a nice change of pace and a break from going as heavy as possible all the time. Especially as a masters lifter

[@akaegotist]

Id even add that slow eccentrics bias you stimulus response towards false hypertrophy aka just training for a pump and not making high quality gains

[@dessertstorm7476]

sick of dr mike acting like the authority on everything and the masses treating it like gospel. Glad to see more and more guys call him out on shit.

[@mastamind1988]

Good video as always. Can we get one on bar path? Bench Squat and DL? I'm the only person on the internet arguing a vertical bar path like you and Louie preached.

[@WenningStrength]

Closest distance between an and b is a straight line. Ppl are ignorant 😂

[@mastamind1988]

@WenningStrength very

[@fitness9861]

I would be very interested to here your thoughts on Jordan Peter’s training?

[@RamAlambaDingDong]

oh man... here we go... battle of the ph. d's

[@rickgrush9125]

Which RP video is this responding to?

[@DC93p]

When / what was mikes take on Matt’s dynamic effort work? I don’t know the context of the video response but want to check it out

[@tylerhamilton9056]

Honestly I like some of dr mikes stuff but he seems to forgot that not everything is based on hypertrophy. I’m it a beginner but I have followed both of you guys for years since I was. I appreciate the insight

[@yiannis.demetriou9696]

I never liked Israetel's philosophy on training, him and Nippard were training like beginners as far as intensity goes and only begginers could find their advise useful. If it wasn't for Milo Wolf who appeared recently and opened their eyes to some real science, they would still be saying volume is king and RIR's is the only way to go for size.

[@WenningStrength]

⭐️⭐️

[@SavvasIraklis]

@@yiannis.demetriou9696 Not really familiar with his work. What did Milo Wolf say differently?

[@yiannis.demetriou9696]

@@SavvasIraklis Ela megale. Dr.Milo Wolf is a young Phd and his research work involved lenthened partials and that repeatedly the latest research showed they were 5-10 % better for hypertrophy than regular ROM. He also advocated that going to failure was superior to RIR but better use it for the last set of each exercise . He also mentioned about one research conducted on full rom I think lengthened followed by lengthened partials to be superior to just full rom by something like 57% I think. Israetel would not accept this until little Nippard decided to fund a studyinvolving Milo which I believe was lengthened full ROM to falure Vs lengthened partials using experienced lifters. Not many subjects but very well thought out design. To make a long story short the results basically came out equal. After the Grand researcher Nippard concluded the study the two became believers and did a 180 but mostly on the guys Israetel trains not themselves at least on intensity

[@RobertoK_99]

Is it better for powerlifters to do accessory exercises with fast tempo or slow controlled like bodybuilders? For example if I'm doing dumbell rows for sets of 10, should I pulling as fast as I can with producing a lot of force or focus on lighter weights and doing slow reps with squeezing at the top etc.?

[@WenningStrength]

Come on patreon and ask brother. Glad to help 🙏

[@WenningStrength]

wenningstrength.com/matt-wenning-patreon/

[@markrichards3720]

But de like 99m9 percent speaks of hypertrophy he not talking bout performance or power lifting

[@WenningStrength]

Ok then why use a performance athlete-me- as an example video?? Food for thought

[@arc0006]

Possibly a stupid question but what about over speed excentrics or similar technique for hypertrophy? Wouldn't there be higher peak tension and you would get more reps at a given weight? So more overall work done, more volume...more hypertrophy? Or no?

[@WenningStrength]

Yep

[@arc0006]

@WenningStrength Cool. Thanks for the reply. Sort a new to your channel but a video on how to implement high speed excentriics for hypertrophy would be cool. Probably get a lot of views too. 😀

[@przemyslawkapica8539]

THX! I do not really like MIke vids. Although he knows what he is talking about mostly there are few things that is not quite what I learned from other big time coaches.

[@Rowland_Hoskins]

💪

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

Lets go

[@bobdog90]

Mike Israetel specializes in hypertrophy training, not strength training. And neither of those things is a speciality in speed training, which you cite in many of your examples. I believe you are smart and definitely know those things, so I have to conclude this is just an example of name-dropping for views.

[@WenningStrength]

He used my speed video in a video of why not to do quick eccentrics-

[@daltonmason62]

It's almost like Force = Mass * Acceleration or something...

[@Grumpyoldman666]

Wait… I better write this down!! I think you’re on to something here!

[@davorzdralo8000]

So you taking what he's satinyg completely out of its original context, and then knocking down a strawman? Thats pretty sad for someone who pretends to be scientifically minded.

[@WenningStrength]

Yea ok dude

[@Grch500]

I started following Matt since his raw unity meet back in 2013-2014. He is just genius. May God keep blessing you Matt and keep giving you the courage to keep putting the truth out there. I truly believe Louie meant it when he said that he was proud of you. He's looking down at you with a big ol smile. You outsmarted all of them but the right way. Thank you Matt.

[@gokuryu]

Dr. Mike is solely focused on body building. His advice will never be good for performance.

[@WenningStrength]

Even so - fast eccentric should have a place

[@SC_310]

Stopped watching his stuff after his video saying Tom freakin Brady was training wrong. Don’t think he can comprehend training for something other than hypertrophy.

[@WenningStrength]

Well some of it is for adversity to create discussion I’m sure. But maybe he will stop using my videos on how not to train 😂😂 either way it’s all good

[@ariansoheili39]

Wow. And I stopped watching dr. mike when he criticized arnold schwarzenegger for his bicep training. HA !

[@stevesorensen9648]

Does Mike Israetel even lift?

[@michelrood2966]

Its 111k, but we'll get you a million.patience is a virtue 💪

[@bobdog90]

.. have you seen Tom Brady's training videos? They're not the worst, but nobody would say that's good weight training. I'm assuming you're upset because he's won a lot in the NFL. Which begs this question: if Matt says the Padres aren't training optimally, does that mean that he's criticizing their baseball skill?

[@kevinbear5]

depending on goals i guess.

[@WenningStrength]

Train all forms of the force velocity curve I guess

[@michaelabercrombie7698]

All right it seems like this is the thing now. We got Mitchell Hooper and Robert Oberst and now Matt and Mike.

[@Minivanmusician]

His entire channel is dedicated to hypertrophy. It's in the name of his App. If he had a powerlifting channel, I wouldn't expect focus on hypertrophy. So

[@WenningStrength]

I’d also expect him to not use one of my videos as a power guy in a bodybuilding video so

[@Minivanmusician]

@WenningStrength I didn't see that video. So, this is kind of a Doucette-like "clap back?" I'll have to go see his video but much of that kind of stuff is "the game" of KZbin. So long as the information is scientifically correct for hypertrophy, I'll listen. You should take his reference as a compliment. Many people find a channel (and end up following it) due to this "game." Mike and Milo give remarkably thorough and scientifically up to date information. I'm going to check it out and see if it crosses a certain line.

[@Minivanmusician]

@@WenningStrength he's got so many videos I can't find it..

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

So maybe Mike should broaden his horizons lol

[@Minivanmusician]

@donjuanmckenzie4897 why? Should every guitar channel have to become a drum channel, too?

[@anthonyparson2515]

Uh oh. Someone’s feelings are hurt. Lmao

[@whitehawk23]

Preaching the science gospel for high level athletes. Sadly if bodybuilders knew of the benefits of overspeed eccentrics as a foundation for bodybuilding, they’d probably invest a few years of training the westside way.

[@Dave_Gunderson]

I find Dr Mike’s indirect criticisms of how Dr Wenning lifts interesting just because Dr Mike’s phd (which is also his entire personality) is specializing in how to make athletes better with strength and conditioning and not actually strength and conditioning… so why the fuck is Dr Mike yapping?! Honestly just watch his things for the comedy because the education part is honestly lacking imo

[@jsamuel251]

People tryna add context and correct one of the strongest mfers to ever walk the earth 🤣🤣 watch the whole video and stfu y’all

[@WenningStrength]

That’s the internet 😂😂

[@RamAlambaDingDong]

i aint gotta do shit

[@Chris-yg6lo]

And rightfully so. I've seen enough of strongmen that can't move telling superior athletes how to train

[@albert_barese]

Don't trust anybody who calls themselves "doctor"

[@fortnitetrashcan8308]

i think he is one, has a phd is sports science but im unsure of how these things work outside my country as im not american/canadian like mike is

[@Brk_Lifts]

A doctor shouldn’t call themselves doctor?

[@movestattoo4561]

⁠@@Brk_Liftsa medical doctor should. If you have a phd in lets say philosophy it just screams pompous to address yourself in every video by doctor so and so. But my opinion is also biased because in my language we have a different word for someone who has md and for someone who has phd.

[@akaegotist]

Israetel has more views and followers because he cares more about making videos than he does about exercise and fitness. Quite the inverse compared to yourself Mr. Wenning.