What does the Bible ACTUALLY SAY about PREMARITAL sex??😮🔥

[@theinvestigativemillennial9381]

I agree with both of you that sex outside of marriage is wrong, I mean why would Paul require a life-long commitment of someone if they couldn't control their sex drive if it wasn't required? I think also one of the reasons why Sex needs to be saved for marriage is the fact that sex makes children. Yes it is true that in our modern day we have birth control but every single birth control bill, condom or any other method always make it emphatically clear that they are not 100% reliable. Having a child out of wedlock is hell, there will be pressure to get an abortion, there will be many complications that if you are already committed to each other won't be there. I think that we in modern west tend to forget something very important about sex: Most of the world for most of history has not had access to birth control. The rules are still applicable here in our culture because even if we can decrease the rate of pregnancies we can never drop them down to zero. Plus there are more and more women who keep reporting that pills mess up hormones even if it is just anecdotal. At the end of the day, saving sex for marriage may be hard, unpopular (Believe me as a 31 year old single man, it's not fun at all) and maybe to some even quaint and old fashioned. It ultimately saves a lot of heart ache at least generally. I do agree that shame around sex has led to extra biblical teachings saying that someone is "Dirty or stained" by it if they had pre-marital sex even if they repent. Also that you're life will be guaranteed to be ruined and many other unhelpful teachings of purity culture. That doesn't change the fact that purity culture got 1 thing right: Sex before marriage isn't God's plan. Anyway those are my thoughts.

[@Lafilledlapluie]

I agree with your comment!

[@TiffanyDawn]

Thank you so much for sharing this thoughtful and vulnerable response! I loved how you pointed out that we need to remember what people in the past were facing - how for centuries people didn’t have access to good birth control options. That’s a good point - it’s so easy to get caught up in how it applies just in our current world that we forget how it applied to the larger Christian church throughout time and history

[@oTNTo]

My english is not very good sry! After much of study I found that mentioned text from Bible, where young man who had sex with virgin outside marriage must pay to her parents and marry her is not what people think it is in general. It is preventive measure, same as other punishment in that time. Why?! Let's say he had sex with her and he didn't want to marry her or didn't think about it. She knows that no one would marry her if she is not virgin, and if she stay quiet about it and marry other she would die! So she will tell to father to save her own life, he can't get away! So if this boy doesn't want to marry her he will die, if he doesn't want to die he needs to marry her and to pay 500 grams of silver. Does he have that money?! So all this is arranged as preventive so he or she wouldn't have sex before marriage or just out of pleasure. Let's do that and move on, no commitment. Yes there is commitment! There are sanctions, you need to think about worse consequences. So what you missed to conclude that this case and Paul's invitation to marry if you can't escape desire and when God say man will leave his father and mother and they will become one body all inviting sex inside of borders of marriage!

[@tessaatwater3808]

This is one of those videos, this is one of those conversations, that makes me so sad, isn't there enough proof, hasn't there been enough pain, hasn't there been enough loss, to trust God's word on this. to trust that marriage is the only safe place for sex to happen!

[@lijahsampson6979]

I’m not a Christian, nor am I a virgin, nor am I married, but I enjoyed this video. You both seem to have a healthy relationship and outlook on the matter.

[@TiffanyDawn]

Thanks so much for sharing this - that means so much to me!❤️❤️

[@irenedavo3768]

What does round sign say behind you?

[@lisatheis3380]

As always, love your thoughts!

[@HPTFan]

Good video, James and Tiffany. We are living in a sex-obsessed society, a lot of people have a distorted view on sex. Both Feminist movement and Red Pill gave wrong advice on sex, misused Bible verses to justify their horrible advices. I do want to have sex, but I got to remind myself I’m not ready. Also, self-control must be encourage. I’m still a virgin and I have no shame for being one. God knows what He is doing, and I must be patient. I hope you two are having a happy new year. Thank you for sharing. Take care.

[@TiffanyDawn]

Thank you so much for your thoughtful perspective! I love how you talked about self control - such an important virtue and fruit of the spirit! I wish I’d thought to include that in the video too!

[@ghministries-melissamckeeh4629]

Thank you for your comment. I have been wrestling with this video for about a week now. I definitely struggled with a few things that were said in this video. There was some scripture references but I would have liked there to be more. Everything we do and decisions we make needs to be based out of scripture first if you are a Christian. I don’t want to judge, but I was a bit surprised by some of the view points. I remembered hearing James say “it’s my body so it’s my choice” which is referring to sex in this video but that could be taken a few different ways and we need to remember our bodies were created by God so it’s His body first 1 Cor. 16:19. Our bodies are a holy temple for the Lord. Iv heard it said that we are not just saving ourselves for our spouse but first for God. I am a Christian, single and proudly a virgin waiting for my wedding night. I really appreciate how the person about mentioned self-control! That is a huge reason! Having self-control and waiting for your wedding night, so that a Godly couple we can share in this beautiful act of worship to God together after committing their lives to each other in the marriage covenant and sealing this in a bond that will unite them even closer. Also, Hebrew 13:4 we are called to keep the marriage bed pure. I’m glad sex is no longer a taboo topic like it used to be, the world does worship sex. Yes, sex was designed by God to allow us to share in unity with our spouse and He designed it for mans and women to enjoy intimacy together BUT sex is not the only part of marriage, it’s only a part of marriage. I feel like it’s like how many years ago in the church how everyone was going to hell tonight and needed to repent. Now the pendulum has swum the other way and grace covers everything. Yes, God’s grace covers our sins but there is sin and we need to ask forgiveness and there is a hell and if we don’t have our lives right with God we’ll be going there and nobody should want that. These are many of the thoughts that I have had since watching this video. Thank you for listening.

[@kaitlinm177]

Hi Tiffany! I've been watching your videos for a while and I appreciate them! I want to advocate that the Bible does say to save sex for marriage. Genesis 2:24 shows that God's intent was for there to be a one man, one woman marriage, a coming together. Becoming one flesh is not only physical through sex, but permeates all aspects of the marital bond. A wife hurts when her husband does, a husband lays his life down for his wife. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 also shows that abstinence is good, but if you choose to engage in a sexual relationship it should be with your spouse. I totally agree that the Church has said hurtful things and that we do need to measure everything up to what the Scriptures say. I follow allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, looking at context, doing word studies, and asking the Holy Spirit to help me. I do think that God wants us to save sex for marriage though

[@TiffanyDawn]

Thank you so much for sharing this!! James and I share this belief and interpretation that God intended sex for within marriage. Love hearing what parts of scripture you see that laid out in most clearly!❤️

[@SomewhereInTheMaidenverse]

Especially in the OT, a man had to marry any woman with whom he had sex. A man could not use a woman for sex and then toss her aside. Look how David calculated sleeping with Bathsheba and ultimately tried to cover up his sin (this while already having 7 wives at home). He had no intention of marrying her. He just wanted to use her for sex. Then he wanted her to have sex with her husband so that no one would question the child’s paternity. David was punished for that whole mess. He peeped at Bathsheba from a rooftop; he sent his guards to go get her (knowing her husband was at war); he slept with her, and had her husband ultimately killed in battle. God punished him for being so evil and calculating. David did repent, but he also had to marry Bathsheba, despite losing their child. Back then, people understood that sex could result in pregnancy, and that is the most logical reason for God wanting couples to be married and committed for life before having sex. It wasn’t God’s plan for men to have multiple partners, but he had to protect women and children by instructing the men to provide for and protect a woman for life. God did not promote single motherhood and fatherless children.

[@TiffanyDawn]

Thank you for sharing this perspective and insight into the story of Bathsheba!

[@unblindingfaith]

Not true! God's law is silent on sex regarding woman's status AFTER she is no longer a virgin. Deuteronomy 22 starting in verse 13.

[@nikkio.9990]

In the Hebrew bible (the OT) Judah had sex with his daughter in law who was pretending to be a prostitute, he did it feel the need to marry what he thought was a prostitute? The Bible is kind of all over the place about sex, and there is not one syllable in the Bible where God has anything to say about premarital sex . All rules regarding sex in the bible entirely revolve around what the culture at the time dictates.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

0:14 found your channel a few weeks ago & so I got real excited when I saw you made a new video Tiff! Whether it’s 1st trimester or fast forward several years to now, your hair always looks gloriousss

[@TiffanyDawn]

Awwww!!!! That’s SO SWEET - thank you!!😍😍

[@OliviaGatto]

You guys explained this in such a helpful informative way. I grew up in a Christian household and my parents never EVER talked about sex with me, they went out of their way to avoid the topic even when I asked. That taboo can make kids grow up ignorant, which is actually dangerous when they find themselves in situations and aren't completely informed of what to do and what not to do. I wish my parents had talked this through as clearly as you two!

[@mrbigguy6905]

This is very true. I know quite a few Christians who are in recovery from the trauma of abortion because they felt that was the only option; because if the church found out they had sex and got pregnant, the shame and scrutiny would have been overwhelming. It is very important that we teach biblical truths regarding human sexuality, but we also need to be practical and talk about contraception for those who choose not wait...failing to do so, can result in lifelong trauma from a fear-based decision.

[@miras849]

Thank you for being so real in this video! I especially love what you said about shame! If God doesn't shame people why should we?

[@TiffanyDawn]

Yes!! God can definitely convict us but He never shames us! So why do we shame each other??

[@MatthewHadley20]

Thanks for sharing. I too, have concern when we say "Sex is WRONG" before marriage. I would probably phrase it a little differently and say that "sex before marriage" isn't God's desired BEST for us. If you think about it...what are the natural outcomes of having sex? I'm sure there's many, but two that I can think of are having children and intimacy (becoming ONE with that other person). I'm fairly confident that if you asked someone who had "casual sex" with multiple other partners before settling down with only one person, they would all agree that there's no such thing as "casual sex." You carry those "intimate" moments with you, and that would only make sense...because that's how God designed sex to work within a marriage. The other outcome of sex (having children), outside of a committed relationship (And I realize that a monogamous relationship could be the exception here), becomes complicated and messy at best. All this to say, is sex before marriage horrible and egregious? Not necessarily. However, I would ask the question is it God's best for me? Though, "sex before marriage" isn't spelled out specifically in the New Testament as wrong. I think when you read a passage like 1 Cor. 6:18-20 God's telling us that above all other ways that we can sin...sexual sin somehow is much more personal (and even damaging to our personhood and healthy development). This should give us pause, and consider if there is a design an order that God has for us that gives us the best opportunity to thrive in marriage AND with a proper/healthy understanding of sex. I appreciate your inquisitive pursuit of things the church has maybe treated a little more dogmatic. Though, I would agree that in taking the whole of scripture a "sex saved for marriage" is a sound biblical ethic. Especially when you read the covenantal imagery between Christ and the church. I waited till marriage to have sex and would concur on your many practical benefits of that pursuit. I tell my kids that I believe it's God's best for you to save yourself until marriage. Can God redeem and work despite us not choosing His best? Sure, that's the whole point of the gospel. Anyway, thanks again. Sorry this is so long. Cheers.

[@annem1937]

I love this, thank you for sharing! I think you explained some of these concepts so well with your wording!

[@TiffanyDawn]

Love hearing your thoughtful perspective on this!! I really like your verbiage of saying “what is God’s best for us” instead of just asking “what is right and wrong”

[@patrickcannell2258]

Hebrews 13v4 is clear "Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled for God will judge adulterers and whoremongers. "

[@mrbigguy6905]

One of the best comments regarding this issue, I would also add that we should educate (but not encourage) our youth about the use of contraception, should they decide to pursue sex before marriage. This will save them the lifelong trauma of trying to heal from having an abortion because of a fear-based outcome. These are conversations we need to have with our youth.

[@Deborahh1996]

reallly enjoyed the format of this video. it was very clearly set out!

[@TiffanyDawn]

That means so much - thank you!!❤️

[@margiehalpern4573]

Very interesting and helpful video, Tiffany (and welcome back, and wishing you and your family all the best in 2024). Thinking about the latter part of the video, and thinking of my personal history, I one hundred percent agree that it is not a good thing when your physical intimacy with someone gets out way ahead of other forms of intimacy (emotional, practical, spiritual, intellectual, etc.). Honestly, it is putting the cart before the horse! Oh, we're so intimate. Oh wait a minute, really, we are NOT--but that can be hard to see if you are having sex. I appreciate your openness to really pondering the question within the context of your foundational beliefs.

[@TiffanyDawn]

Yes exactly!! Putting the cart before the horse is a good example 😅😅

[@joshuamoore2341]

Tiffany Tiffany oh look how you have gotten me thinking once again when I thought this was all but an open and shut case. The monogamous view is most definitely a new thing to me and the fact the the scriptures were most definitely on prostitution i have to reevaluate my stance on why i think what I. Maybe i might come out with and answer I feel I might be able to hold on to more readily than before. Thank you for the honest approach to things and james my man you are most a great voice of reason, keep asking those questions and be blessed in the Lord. 😊👊🏾

[@TiffanyDawn]

I’m so glad this could be an encouragement to you! And if you end up on the same stance of waiting until marriage, you will not be alone either! We’re there too! But I think this is such an important topic to really think about and study. Even if we end up on the same conclusion, we will better understand why we believe what we believe, AND hopefully have greater empathy and less judgement for others. I’m glad this was helpful for you in the process!!❤️

[@irenedavo3768]

You do not mention lust!

[@racheljordan4899]

I'm glad you're leading the way to discuss this openly! My fiance and I are waiting for marriage, but I've had some leanings towards the monogamous approach/questioning why we act like saving sex for marriage is such a given, and I feel like a heretic for even thinking that way sometimes. I think it's just purity culture reacting to the sexual revolution, but there's no need to act like our way of interpreting scripture is the only right interpretation/God-endorsed! I think you guys brought up some wisdom to consider, and really at the end of the day, wisdom is what God's word has for us on this topic...not necessarily a neatly-wrapped manual with all the answers.

[@TiffanyDawn]

I love how you said “wisdom is what Gods word has for us, not a nearly wrapped manual” - I think that’s HUGE👏👏😍😍

[@irenedavo3768]

No mention of Love?

[@alisonlmt4029]

I really appreciate you both for this and that you are bringing to this topic to light.

[@TiffanyDawn]

❤️❤️❤️

[@NikkiRedRoses]

I really love hearing both male and female perspectives in your videos. These are fantastic points. I’m late 30s and was raised old-fashioned Catholic and believe it’s important spiritually and emotionally to wait for marriage. I’ve had 2 BFs and both pressured for premarital sex (one SA’d in college and other I broke up with after 9 months at 36 y.o.). Therapists have told me that I’m being unrealistic because no man today will wait for marriage, so I’d better get used to being alone if I won’t have premarital sex. My sisters waited, but they’ve been with their husbands/fiancées for years and years. I’ve avoided dating for 2 years to try to come to terms with I need to give up my value of waiting for marriage if I want a romantic relationship in “today’s world”. 🥺 Especially as an SA survivor, that deep emotional connection and safety that comes at the marriage stage is even more important to me. I don’t believe that finding this video today was an accident. ❤ Thank you!

[@AL-er3lb]

I’m so sorry that that happened to you, and about what those therapists said! There really are men out there willing to wait, and you should never settle for anything less! You’re not an object to be had but a person to be loved, which is why we wait.

[@TiffanyDawn]

I’m so glad it could speak to you! That sounds like a really hard journey you’ve been on - and a very unhelpful and hurtful comment by your therapist!! There ARE men out there willing to wait - not just willing but COMMITTED to waiting, actually wanting that for themselves. I’m praying you meet one!!❤️❤️❤️

[@puppies081]

Thank you ❤@@AL-er3lb

[@puppies081]

Thank you ❤ You and your husband make such great content. I’ve even sent some of your videos to my teen daughter as she’s starting to get interested in dating. ❤@@TiffanyDawn

[@chent6mca]

Awesome video! Thank you so much for this awesome video, Tiffany! I learned so much! You both helped me so much! Thanks to you both! 😊🙌🔥

[@TiffanyDawn]

Oh I’m SO GLAD!! That makes me so happy!!❤️❤️❤️

[@chent6mca]

@@TiffanyDawnI just want to thank you for making this oh so awesome video, Tiffany! I admire you both so much! Big fans of you, Tiffany! Can’t wait for your next awesome video! 😊❤️😍🙌🔥

[@victorialester1634]

Matthew 19:5-6 is a big one that I get my understanding from as well!

[@TiffanyDawn]

Ohhh that’s a good one too!! Thank you for adding that to the conversation!!

[@alittlepieceofearth]

I guess I don't understand why this is a question if you are committed Christians. In my faith, it's pretty well understood that waiting is what you are supposed to do. For SO many reasons. I, personally, don't think waiting is about guilt and shame, or fear of going to hell. It's about love. Love for yourself and for your future spouse and for the children that could potential come from your union. I also think the unbridled exercise of sexual expression in society leads to a more chaotic world. Sex isn't wrong or bad, but it should be handled with care. Waiting for marriage offers some safeguards-- some of which you mentioned in this video.

[@SS-vg8rc]

I loved this video. So honest and I agree with it all!

[@michaelspeir6086]

What is marriage according to the Bible? What rites, if any, are necessary before a relationsship can legitimately be called a marriage?

[@TiffanyDawn]

Great question!!

[@efua_hasford]

First to like and comment 😄

[@TiffanyDawn]

Woohoo!!! So excited to be back with you!!

[@lookfeelbehealthy6320]

Don't put sex before God, don't commit adultery, no prostitution, no sodomy. That was God's ORIGINAL Word. Most other verses were added later by man for control and to make people feel shameful in order to turn people away from God. Much of today's scripture has been altered, as evidenced by the many contractions in today's Bible from the original Bible. I get my discernment from the Holy Spirit. Further, speak to all the people who have had NDEs and ask them the difference between what God actually said, as opposed to all of these 'rules' people are following that God never said.

[@bengorillachristiandude6438]

My sex drive is very strong, and I'm hoping my future wife will have similar desires, but this was a very thought provoking video. The only reason I would want to have sex before marriage is just for the pleasure aspect of it. However, I feel that if I wait till marriage, it will give me more time to establish a real personal and emotional connection with her that isn't solely driven by lust. The idea of saving sex for marriage also makes it feel more special. I'm curious to know how y'all saved sex for marriage while also building up that greater desire for it beforehand, cause I might want to take a similar approach with the woman that I marry.

[@kal1084]

Gosh, so good!!

[@MJKT95]

I used to believe saving sex for marriage was biblical and my husband and I both wanted to wait, which we did. Now that I am deconstructing and have learned how the evangelical church has weaponized virginity and purity culture, I have an anti-prostitution approach to it now and I’ll teach my kids this as well. Flat out: the Bible does not teach abstinence, but it does teach safety and human decency, which can be practiced within premarital sex. I think waiting for however long is a good litmus test for whoever you’re dating or want to marry. My husband and I respect each other’s autonomy, so waiting wasn’t difficult. We are very attracted to each other yet we never needed chaperones and never had moments of things getting hot and heavy because we didn’t want to cross the other’s boundaries. We enjoy a wonderful sex life now and I think honoring boundaries is huge reason why. This waiting time was also used to learn about sexuality and heal from the harmful messages we’d learned about sex from the Church. Now, I don’t think casual sex with just anybody is wise, but if two enthusiastically consenting adults are having premarital sex and the relationship is healthy and mutually beneficial, then premarital sex isn’t a problem. And I know this will be unpopular, but I’ve seen more healthier relationships between two people who have premarital sex than those who waited because they think it’s a sin. If it’s a sin for YOU, then don’t do it, but don’t rush into marriage just because the temptation is too strong. In fact, if you’re getting married for this reason, you probably shouldn’t be getting married yet or even dating this person.

[@annem1937]

Well said! Thanks for sharing

[@Christ2010Grad]

“Flat-out: the Bible does not teach abstinence,” What verses made you come to that conclusion.

[@lookfeelbehealthy6320]

Agreed. And I'll add that whether sex is right or wrong at the time you're doing it solely depends on whether or not you can still put God first. Much of the later scripture about sex was added by man, influenced by the devil to try and get people to feel guilt and shame and convince people that they couldn't live up to God's Word and therefore turn away from Him.

[@TiffanyDawn]

Thank you so much for sharing your journey and experience with this - I really appreciate your vulnerability and thoughtfulness!! I also really like how you said part of what made your relationship so healthy was honoring each others boundaries. That’s huge, no matter which approach people take toward sex!!! I wish I’d thought to talk about that in our video!

[@warren6790]

Lust is a evil desire not just a desire, the strength of the desire determines if it's an evil desire or not and what that desire will or can cause you to do, if your married, lust would be the desire your having towards another person your not married to, if your not married but in a relationship, lust is similar to the married person only not married, lust is what the devil uses to steal someone's wife, husband, betrothed, boyfriend, girlfriend that will cause you to either sin or commit whoredom, don't confuse adultery with whoredom, whoredom doesn't apply to the married, the sin of the married would be adultery, whoredom is the sin of the unmarried, being sexually involved with a person your not married to and cheating on them with someone else is whoredom, Lev.15:24 deals with the unmarried having sex, these two are not married nor are they children still living under their fathers rule, it's a single man and a single woman, you know their not married because the scripture says if " ANY " man lie with her, if she was married and any man other than her husband lay with her sexually, they both would have been put to death

[@Will-sv2hl]

I don't understand when people bring the 10 commandments and adultery into this arguement. If you are in a relationship with each other it is not adultery.

[@AmenMama-qe4sq]

I believe sex outside of marriage is wrong. So let’s talk about what biblically constitutes a marriage before God. If we go back to perfection, which is the Garden of Eden when Adam took Eve to wife, then we will understand Gods will, design, and intention. Sex is the consummate act of marriage and God was the Officiate of that marriage. As Jesus said, “what GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER let not man separate.” And the Bible clearly states the marriage bed is undefiled. God looks upon the intentions of our hearts. When we have integrity in our heart toward God and our spouse we can indeed consummate a marriage with that act before God when our intention is mutually pure. The Church has long confused a marriage and wedding. You do not need a wedding to be married. According to Hebraic Law marriages were enacted by one of three ways: by money, by vow, and by the consummate act of sex. Ideally, all three. But do you know what God requires? A pure undefiled heart. And when two people are madly in love and want to marry, then He lets them. Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled. Sex is a covenant act - not a cheap thrill or fleeting moment of pleasure. So if two people choose to marry in this biblical fashion then they can. But the Church has not recognized this, primarily because it’s unwitnessed. So our reputation with God may be pure, holy and righteous. He knows our hearts. But our reputation with man is tarnished and we stand condemned. So we need to understand Gods design, intention and perfect will. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. That is NOT Gods design. But to engage in the consummate act before Him with your spouse out of love, with a pure heart, and intention to marry - He will honor that. What we must do is prove ourselves before man and let the witness stand true before God AND man. Two people who are married will be eager to do that. And there should be no shame in the matter whatsoever.

[@Lafilledlapluie]

My main reason is to honor God. But my other reason is i just don't want to 😂 I'm 30 and still a virgin and it's not that i haven't had the chance before I just don't want to.😂

[@TiffanyDawn]

That totally makes sense!! I love that you are doing it as a way to honor God but ALSO for yourself!😍😍

[@rabbilabaran237]

Hahah.. this is a funny one

[@patrickcannell2258]

Good point. Also, Hebrews 13v4. Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled for God will judge adulterers and whoremongers. "

[@billballoo7881]

Interpretation. It's all about interpretation. You can easily argue that sexual immorality means things like promiscuity, multiple partners, 3 somes, etc.

[@seekingtruthandcompassion1707]

Love how you guys respond and answer videos so kind and respectful :) I had sex prior to marraige as I wasn't a Christian until I became married. However the man I am married to was my first and only and I see a huge benefit in that myself sp do believe in waiting until marraige. I have also had friends who have only has one partner and friends who have had several and the difference/emotional pain that has caused ! I have always wondered what about people who can't afford a marraige certificate or celebrant that must exist! Would confessing there own vows and signing there own piece of paper constitute ? Oer does the marraige have to be legal ?

[@TiffanyDawn]

Thank you so much for sharing your story with this!! I’m so glad you have seen such a huge benefit from waiting - I’m totally with you on that!❤️❤️ And those are such great questions. I always thought you could just go to the courthouse and then plan the “wedding” later like a party when you have money? I know a lot of people who did that during Covid, but maybe it’s not as simple as I thought?

[@seekingtruthandcompassion1707]

@@TiffanyDawn is it free to "get married" at the court house ? :)

[@seekingtruthandcompassion1707]

@TiffanyDawn I have another question iv you only had the choice of public school for your kids or a catholic state intergrated school what would it be? We are Christians not cstholic but trying to make this tough decision

[@Dana-vq1tk]

There you are James!!! Please consider ministering, with your sweet and amazing wife, to women that don't know what a safe , healthy and non-abusuve man is like. Perhaps role model or state words and actions a healthy, non-abusive Christian man/husband would do. I do remember a while back how you politely requested for Tiffany to gain 10 pounds . I could tell that is came from a wanting to protect your wife and help her get a little healthier. Fortunately, I am blessed to have a nonabusive, no patriarchal christian future husband now in my life. It took me a whole month to tell him I had a different viewpoint and that nothing bad happened. He didn't get upset or defensive but he politely rebutted my view point. It was a weird and sad sensation. Weird because I have never done that before and sad because I never done that before. And James you still just as handsome 10 yrs ago and haven't lost your hair!!!

[@JacobDover-s4m]

I want to save my self for marriage ❤.

[@BrownGuyGaming91]

Hey, you guys definitely could have went deeper, for example, what the word fornication means in Greek etc, also I just want to make a correction. Paul says, "But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is BETTER to marry than to burn with passion." (1st Corinthians 7:9) Notice your Paul says it's better, he literally didn't say that you have to get married, when he says it's better, it's preferred, it's not a concrete thing. If you look up Paul's writings he says stuff like this quite a bit. I've been saved for 5 years and this is the first time I've been questioning what the word fornication actually means, it's been an interesting time. I'm still not 100% sure but it's kind of odd that the Bible doesn't seem very clear about the word. The word fornicator is also associated with prostitution instead of sex outside of marriage. 'fornix" is the root word, snd it literally means prostitution, definitely look it up if you don't believe me. It's a pretty confusing time in my life right now lol trying to figure this out.

[@ronbaker6000]

Read 1 corinthians chp 7. Read it Slow. Did you read it? Read it Again. Have faith- REAL FAITH in what is there. Count the cost brother. Luke 14: 27,28

[@warren6790]

No one likes to be corrected, but let's start at the beginning, sex WAS created for making children but that's not ALL it was created for, what anyone gets out of it is also what it was created for, we get children and we get PLEASURE, the pleasure part is in being " fruitful " the multiplying part is making babies, is it limited to marriage? certainly not but there are LAWS in the bible that regulate it, it was not just meant for married people nor was it made only for married people, it was made for a man and a woman, notice I'm not saying children, it was not made for children, Lev.15:16-24 is an example of a unmarried man and woman having sex, their NOT children nor are they married, that should be obvious when reading the law concerning them which also deals with self love or masturbation that she is NOT married, if it was any other man other than her husband, they both would have been put to death, I have to include what the prophets condemned that Moses did not concerning the unmarried man and woman having sex, they condemned whoredom and prostitution, whoredom and prostitution differ in this way, prostitutes have sex for money, whores have sex for pleasure, whoredom is not having one lover, whoredom is having MORE than one lover, God's judgement on this is STD's and the spread of them, not being faithful to your one lover will make you prey to an STD, if you cheat and get one you just fell under God's judgement, if you get one then give it to an innocent person, your judgement will get worse, this kind of judgement can fall on the whore and the adulterer, adulterers are the married people, there is always judgement that follows closely to sin, whatever is out there that would destroy your life or another's, God is against, He's against it because He loves you, think of it in this way, if it hurts you or another it's not His will, if it doesn't hurt you or another, He is not against it, in many things we do that we know or believe can hurt us, use wisdom and knowledge, these will save your life, use caution too, driving a car can get you killed, LEARN to drive before you drive one, that requires someone to teach you, that is the smart way to learn, don't just jump into the water believing you can swim, you might drown, learn first before you get in over your head, the same applies for anything else that can be dangerous to you, having sex before you get married is wise not foolish, why? because once you get married there's NO WAY OUT except for sexual unfaithfulness, according to Jesus not Moses, there is NO JUDGEMENT on the faithful, only the unfaithful, don't gamble with your life is all I'm saying, before you get married, talk to people that's gone through a divorce and find out why, what your going to find out is their feelings deceived them, what they felt for that person when they first met is not longer that way after a certain amount of TIME, that person changed and so did they person divorcing the other, no longer are they the king and queen, they begin to see each other's faults and weaknesses, that will NOT happen at the time you fall in love with someone, that only happens when the love grows COLD and it DOES, it does so with everyone that falls in love, those feelings become responsibilities, people that are not responsible people should be avoided, a responsible person will take responsibility for what he has created or made, the most important factor here is not if he builds you a house or buy you many things, it would be is he going to be responsible for the CHILD that comes from having sex IF God gives you one, it is NOT God's "will" that any child be fatherless, we make children fatherless, God doesn't, going in to marriage if you believe you can't have sex before you get married will only have you getting married to justify having sex, my goodness that is so foolish, you would marry someone you've never even seen naked? not chance for the man and for most women either unless their gamblers, we all know the outcome of people that love to gamble, if you esteem sex too highly, your going to get disappointed in life, also think about this, the desire for sex is no different than the desire for food, if your hungry you feed it, after you feed it the suffering ends, then can you THINK with a clear mind, sex has the same power, when you desire it and the desire is strong, it will cause you to do almost anything to satisfy the craving, if you have no one to love you, love YOURSELF, if you have someone to love you, love them back, there's no law against it unless it's not mutual or what the bible calls fornication or forbidden sexual contact, that word pretty much sums up ALL the forbidden sexual matters in the Law and the prophets

[@wi4305]

He who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart.

[@terrylaplante3157]

Your argument for the book of Song of Solomon is poor. You saying because it doesn't SAY they WERE married, then maybe they weren't married. The book was written by Solomon, who WAS married. Yes he had way to many wives, but that doesn't mean men should go out and get many wives, Paul settled that argument.

[@unblindingfaith]

OMG!! You don't want to quote God's Law AT ALL??? Deuteronomy 22 starting in verse 13. This what the Bible ACTUALLY says about pre-marital sex - a guide for VIRGINS.