What Happened AFTER I Removed My Music From Streaming?

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[@beatbuildersstudio]

The more convenient and assessable agreement doesn’t hold up well. People just say it because it makes sense logically. KZbin is “free” and assessable but only a few succeed. Just like streaming. All this music but most people go undiscovered. Yes it gives you a chance to be seen. We place too much emphasis on the few who succeed and not the majority of people who don’t succeed.

[@ilovemusic34397]

yea it's called survivorship bias.

[@nilespeshay1734]

Producer/engineer Steve Albini prints, exclusively to tape and tries to do vinyl for all the bands he works with. His thinking is that, in MOST cases, it will take decades (or more) for an audience to find your music -- if you're making interesting music. And, +as far as he's concerned+, there's only 2 formats that are guaranteed to be playable decades from now - magnetic tape and vinyl.

[@phrelancelotmusic]

Not for nothing, the success of your release is inspiring 💪🏽 thanks for the transparency 🙏🏾

[@CurtissKingTV]

Always fam. Thank you for watching 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@mrr5835]

It IS about being accessible for many artists who don't have a YT channel that can be used for music promo. So u have a tad leg-up, but u also put in the work for that. 👍 It's crazy how "spread thin" our focus has to be as DIYers. I remember the days when u just made music to play shows and get a CD made. 😂

[@nilespeshay1734]

If you're old, ugly, lazy, or shy - you're sorta f'ed. That's not the way MUSIC should operate. ...Historically some of my favorites artists have been, at least, 3 of those things.

[@MistyMusicStudio]

Streaming really is a double edged sword. As a listener, there's no way I could afford to purchase all the music I listen to, so I really do need a streaming service. Pulling my music off every platform would feel hypocritical, making my art inaccessible to people like myself. But for real the crooks running spotify deserve to be jailed. I REALLY hope Tidal doesn't follow suit. #cancelspotify

[@myrona.gilmorejr.]

I forgot to add this in my previous comment: there are 2 ways to make a lot of money. 1st: high value × low volume and 2nd: low value × high volume. It makes sense that we need a lot of streams to make money, because the music is free, which is low value, so it requires high volume.

[@mdav4525]

No disrespect to anyone's craft, but what if you use DSPs as marketing avenues and not as the revenue streams. I work in software and we typically allow for customers to trial or sample our solutions (sometimes called freemium) and upsell them to a premium offering. As an artist you could offer sample tracks, whether shortened or full length. If people love the flavor, you upsell them to your self hosted / distributed models to pay for access to your catalogue - however you want to serve it up. Just tryna help provide a solution.

[@deandramasic]

Dude, this is genius!

[@baldman5k]

Watching now! Thx bro! Much love!

[@25mrkeys]

Here to see you succeed even more than what you’re doing now 💯💯✊🏽

[@artarealmblazer8452]

Spotify just cut 17% of its global workforce. This comes one month after some exec cashed out 64million in stock. Hope they land on their feet this Christmas.

[@steadyinlove]

Thank you so much for this. Would love to see you go in depth about the process of developing your format for selling your music. 🙏🏽

[@SmokeeWhine]

I'm actually thinking about dropping streaming too. Thanks for posting this. My latest album is not streaming so I've already taken some steps to real independence.

[@StevePennMusic]

You gotta talk about it champ! Don't get frustrated, Talk about it and cause awareness.💯

[@jazz1thesoloist]

An "INDEPENDENT" artist would make more money selling their on CD's from a "WEBSITE" that he owns, and an "EMAIL" marketing campaign, then what is being proposed with this "NONSENSE...!" There is a different "MINDSET" when an artist is only seeking "FAME," but, not the maximum potential for PROFITS. The motivation from a "BUSINESS" prospective has to be different. And, you can still buy a CD player, and still have CD's made, for "FANS" that prefer a "PHYSICAL" product. Streaming does not replace the desire for a "PHYSICAL" medium. A stream cannot be AUTOGRAPHED, and kept, as a "GESTURE" of appreciation. That token of "LOVE" from an artist, has more value for their "FANS.," then what is being proposed and offered by a streaming platform, for just a little more "NOTORIETY...!" Every "INDEPENDENT" artist should get away from this "NONSENSE...!"

[@ebMusicTv]

Curtiss King Thank you for being a inspiration. Your new album is 🔥🔥🔥 worth every penny

[@CurtissKingTV]

Thank you fam!

[@steelokey]

Hey bro I’m only a 1/3 thru the video but I’m excited to see what the future holds for you/us. Cuz I might follow suite in due time considering for me it’s all about the music

[@rymeyflow947]

Spotify acting like PIMPS!

[@JosuaKarlson]

This is infuriating. Seriously thinking about putting my stuff down. Only a handful of my songs break the 1000 stream barrier. But I have some hardcore fans who would be pretty disappointed. Tough scenario….

[@followthewaytaylor5872]

I’m just getting going in producing music again, I made £1500 selling low level Techno 12in vinyl back in the early 2000 so I’ll say to you concentrate on your loyal supporters (fans)that’s where your bread and butter will be ! Not these streaming platforms .

[@JosuaKarlson]

@@followthewaytaylor5872 thanks for the advice!

[@StevePennMusic]

Curtis King Speaking FACTZ💯

[@winslowdonovanmusic]

great vid. yo curtiss were those album numbers from the EVEN platform?

[@CurtissKingTV]

Yessir! This release was exclusively with them

[@stabzthegiant]

Hey! I've been watching your videos for a couple months now, and the information has been dope! This has been my first year trying to release music, and I was wondering with the Spotify's threshold system, is there a way to sell your music "independently" and have it on streaming platforms and still turn some kind of a profit? I am a solo metal studio project/vocalist as opposed to a rapper, but I figured the information still applies? Keep up the good work homie!

[@nilespeshay1734]

I wonder if we're gonna see a bunch of songs release at the beginning of every month, now. If I'm understanding this correctly, it sorta makes no sense to release at the end (or middle...?) of a month unless you're doing hundreds of streams a day.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

let me show you the actual numbers as accurate as I can get for 2023 1. Tidal: Pays $0.019 per stream Pays $19,000 per million streams 2. Apple Music: Pays $0.01284 per stream Pays $12,840 per million streams 3. Deezer: Pays $0.00783 per stream Pays $7,830 per million streams 4. Spotify: Pays $0.0064 per stream Pays $6,400 per million streams 5. Amazon: Pays $0.00437 per stream Pays $4,370 per million streams 6. Pandora: Pays $0.00402 per stream Pays $4,020 per million streams 7. KZbin: Pays $0.00133 per stream Pays $1,330 per million streams

[@producedbynase]

We're all gonna end up with personal steaming sites with checkout stores soon😂💀

[@zavgod]

i think its actually really important we keep talking about it cause i know SO many creators and consumers who dont know about these rule changes and they’re livid. maybe spotify is hoping if they dont address it directing we’ll accept it like we did (and should’t have) before. i think we undervalue how much we can make a change as artists not only with our voice but also by transparency in our platform choices, which is form of leadership.

[@Crazysteve0017]

So you make more on streaming platforms as a music producer than an artist ? I always had that feeling but it wasn’t confirmed until now please correct me if I’m wrong brother thanks for your content and good positive jazz rap vibes 💯🔥

[@CaptHiltz]

At some point in time, Spotify will either go out of business or get bought up by a large corporation who don't give two flying shits about music and then it will suck even more. Nothing lasts forever. The other major streaming platforms will probably suffer the same fate as well in the future. That's the way it is. When that happens maybe something more logical and equitable will fill the gap.

[@OgIKidd]

In my opinion, the argument of "convenience and accessibility" in defense of Spotify falls apart when you consider that a lot of Spotify users are free users who need some sort of internet or data connection. Those that do pay for premium have no control over where that money is actually going. Simultaneously paying more money than they probably would just buying albums. In the long term still being at the mercy of both the platform and the artists themselves regarding what is or isn't available. Whether the platform decides to cut ties after a controversy, an artist boycotts these platforms, or an artist just forgets to pay their distributor subscription, content is never guaranteed to remain. That's assuming the songs they wanted to listen to was available in the first place. Old mixtapes with uncleared samples, artists who have been embroiled in legal disputes with old labels like De La Soul, or in the case of someone like Lupe Fiasco, the artist in question not making any money off of those records because of shady contracts. So the argument of convenience ultimately just boils down to an unwillingness to store the art that they claim to care about, and an overall indifference about the treatment of artists because it doesn't largely affect the majority of people in their own personal daily struggles. Further feeding a system that has no other incentive to change.

[@BKLYN_TZU]

If 80 million streams only equals up to $12 Dollars I see why y'all are taking your music off these streaming platforms your better off selling your music on your own 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BarkingForBroccoliBG]

$240,000 for 80 million streams 1 million = $3,000

[@LedgerLiner]

​@@BarkingForBroccoliBGits from tok tok and u don't get sh

[@BKLYN_TZU]

@@BarkingForBroccoliBG damn all that streaming for 3 Grand The metrics don't make sense

[@steelokey]

@@BKLYN_TZUyeah it’s pretty fugged but hey at least we can make some money. Cause it’s not as easy to just sell physicals like he makes it sound, it takes way more then just printing a CD & selling it. Plus the thing he’s doing hasn’t really been done so it’s super biased based off his success of his 1st album doing this. Let’s see if it happens again next album.. 🤷‍♂️

[@Octxvius]

apple music pays 7000 for a million @@BarkingForBroccoliBG

[@iengineer_247]

If it suppose to be accessible then the want/purchase of the music streaming companies need to be respectable paying the artist for their work!!! Creators have lives family bills etc too in which they put their art at to take care of these things.

[@timba2647]

Ohh Snapp! That Part! 12:52

[@realdrake8000]

Yup, it's ok, screw these scammers we're taking over

[@franckateba2970]

Ok I see. Finally I came here early.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

the reality is TIDAL AND APPLE PAY OUT THE MOST, APPLE 10-13K Per Million Streams, and Tidal 15-18K per million streams

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

Its more complex than that, but i tried to simplify it, in actuality its this : $0.019 per stream. Tidal. $0.01284 per stream. Apple Music. $0.00783 per stream. Deezer. $0.0064 per stream. Spotify. $0.00437 per stream. Amazon. $0.00402 per stream. Pandora. $0.00133 per stream. KZbin.

[@lsvlogs_]

🎉

[@yellamuzik]

That 1000 threshold is just wrong and it seems like theft to me. A stream in the US is worth about .0029 cents. 600 streams would normally get you about $1.74. Lets say you have 50 songs on Spotify and you average about 600 streams per track every month. That's $87 dollars you don't get. Spotify must really need the money.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

@Curtiss King TV, Tidal pays out up to18K per 1 million streams thats 4 times the amount of Spotify pay outs. Go in On how Tidal is so much better, Apple music too, they payout about 10-13K per million streams. and everyone used Apple

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

''Spotify'' has the largest SUBSCRIBERS UNPAID WITH ADS 111 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. THEY SAY.

[@Train.ByLaw_]

Spotify got that Killer ³60 deal 😂

[@Emcee3Two]

Considering Spotify has never made a profit, and are laying off 17% of their workforce, I imagine things are gonna get MORE ridiculous rather than less.

[@HighNoon23]

Curtiss, It may be a lot to ask of you, but maybe YOU could start the Next Streaming Service that would finally provide the Fair Service the BigWigs are failing to?

[@baldman5k]

Daaaaaamn, bro!!! Impressive Numbers, yo!! Hell yeah! I’m convinced. I’m sold. Cuz I’m still a lil ol 1000 or less producer here, so I’ll be damned if I get my streams demonetized. Hell naw. Homie don’t play that 🤡 “Gimme my 3 cents” 😂

[@MikeDynamoVerse]

I'm still trying to figure out how Spotify also managed to drop 2300 employees this month too. So yes... this shit makes my head hurt too.

[@MrSkyTown]

I think sometimes when things are more exclusive and less openly available can be more beneficial and more beneficial financially. Hmm

[@dedasalmeida9047]

Curtis, I wholly disagree with you. Gucci had to work to be where they are, the same for the brands we all know and recognize that wouldn't be in any thrift shop As an obscure artist (not even underground nor subworld), I can't afford to make myself even less visible So any exposure to a platform is good for an artist like me and others in the same situation. I'm glad you found a solution for your streaming issue, however, for us, who are below 100, 50, 30, 10, or even 5 streams a month we definitely cannot opt out of these platforms if we want exposure.

[@CurtissKingTV]

The moment we choose this as a profession we must work to become what we want to become. If you want a successful music business, you shouldn’t be concerned with visibility more than improving your music and gathering the data (emails) of your potential listeners. What good is 300,000 monthly listeners when an algorithm decides how much access you’ll have to them? What good is exposure when you can’t communicate with the 100-200 listeners you have. Small artists are still small businesses that should conduct their business as such. Relying on platforms to do the job of your marketing and community building is a losing battle long term.

[@CDMESD]

Spotify has just laid 17% of its workforce.

[@yellamuzik]

Don't you think it's interesting that they put the bot threshold at 90% of your streams 😂 They are in on it in so many ways SMH.

[@Yodael_g]

What I wanna know is where would you recommend artists put their music to have this “pay what you want” model for their stuff

[@KeyJayHD]

So far Bandcamp comes to mind. But if you can spin up something on your own site, I guess that's something too.

[@BigVolcano314]

Your own website

[@papa_da_engineer]

Cant be more than 90% bot streams. Who's to say 75% isnt ok, its all in the fine lines 🧐🧐✌️♥️

[@BarkingForBroccoliBG]

Weird Al is joking he made 1/4 million $ off 80 milkion streams

[@livinproof718]

Your a label yourself almost

[@dj2evil-pharaohanasaziradi746]

What they doing I'd trying to clear the field. Get less music

[@PolloGetsFit_Ra1nbowK]

Spotify is a publicly traded company so it’s official profit and loss statements are on yahoo business. Spotify Looses Millions Of $ Every year it has never had a profitable Year, So I see why their trying to change their current Business model😭😂

[@TheRealSleepSkee]

Hey. Curtis This Is Starting To Look Like A Marketing Tactic For Your Album. #CurtisVsSpotify It’s Starting To Look Like You’re Screaming “We all against Spotify!! Now Go Buy My Album Instead!!”🤦🏾‍♂️ Are you Playing On The Emotions Of Artists That Feel Like It’s Already Hard To Make Money In This Industry🤔

[@CurtissKingTV]

Would it be more noble of me to have this Spotify discussion without talking about WHAT I’m currently doing as an artist myself to combat it? Marketing is “how do I make my message the most clear to the people that need to hear it the most” not “how do I manipulate people’s emotions to care about something with little value and relevance” I’ve been an open book my entire duration here on KZbin. Playing on artist’s emotions is playing with my own. When I share this shit, I feel the exact same way. I started a dialogue that is bigger than my album, and I see so many of my peers asking for MORE when it comes to their music. I could have sold 1 copy, and this campaign would have been a success in my eyes because people are talking about the value of music again. That’s a win today, tomorrow, and after I’m gone.

[@sunnygames632]

Idc if it is a marketing tactic. He's still leading by example.

[@Treyco]

Keep ripping Spotify apart