What if Jefferson Davis became U.S. President? | Alternate History

[@DeanMonsieur]

At 6:17 I meant to say Davis would subsidize American sugar plantations in Cuba, not Buchanan. Sorry for the confusion!

[@thomaswatson1739]

Cass was not a Southerner btw but great video. Never seen a history idea like this. Very unique

[@JTL1776]

What if America achieved our Artic Colonial Ambitious. And Annexation of Northern Mexico and English Carribean.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

Kinda disappointed that in this timeline, Davis didn't die in office because of the infamous Curse of Tippecanoe (any US President elected on a year divisible by 20 dies in office, starting with William Henry Harrison, then Abraham Lincoln in our timeline, then James Garfield, then William McKinley, then Warren Harding, then FDR, and finally JFK, before Reagan broke the curse by surviving the attempt on his life).

[@thenamesianna]

@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 Maybe it's Davis that breaks the curse

[@deus_vult_1099]

Biden has a month to bring it back

[@ivandinsmore6217]

​@@deus_vult_1099Don't rule that out. 😂😂😂

[@Froggediah]

A good, long, and detailed yet simple scenario. This is what I watch alt history for.

[@DeanMonsieur]

Glad you enjoyed! The video format has taken some time to polish, but we're getting there!

[@Froggediah]

@@DeanMonsieur As long as you guys keep putting good time into scenarios like this you’ll keep making interesting and enjoyable scenarios.

[@ScarletRebel96]

What if the north decided to secede from the south?

[@AmericanImperium1776]

Or what if New England seceded from the Union as well as the South?

[@ChancellorJimmy]

What if the civil war was more similar to the Yugoslav war?

[@phasesaber5040]

@crusader2112 this I can partially answer in 2.5 ways, some how some way new England is pro slavery and cedes. This might lead to an early support from Britain but when the US declares slavery illegal they loose support and the union wins. The .5 way is if they aren't pro slave and instead pro freedom, they secure support from the UK and eventually develop their own identity away from the US and might eventually merge with Canada. Final way is they win with the help of the csa leading to a VERY weak america, majority of the gunpowder that the North used was from New England and with almost guaranteed support from Britain. The CSA might fight Mexico in a 2nd war and invade Cuba too but they would be reclaimed by the Union, this south would be far less developed compared to the North in this time, arguably less so than the West coast, the American British relationship would collapse and when the war comes the Americans side with Britain. The Americans might secure better relations with Japan and those w would join WW1 on the German side. Britain would loose its biggest trading partner and colonies in the America's while also loosing a large chunk of their Asian ones. A conditional peace deal where germany is slightly cut down to size while Japan and the US acquire the pacific, American and southeast and East Asian colonies. The Japanese would kick the Europeans out of China and have an earlier hold in Manchuria too

[@AmericanImperium1776]

@@phasesaber5040 Thank you. 👍🏻

[@BroWannabe]

Yeah it's called 2025 when Trump wins

[@seamusfinnegan1164]

We need a part 2 of this for the long term effects of demographic changes, and the inevitable war with Mexico! you cant just cliffhanger us there!

[@VHM1313]

I would LOVE to see a sequel to this. Excellent work Z.

[@MatthewChenault]

8:33 John Brown’s actions were already noted by the United States Military. Brown was already a known criminal by the garrisons stationed in Kansas, including the garrison commanded by Colonel Robert E. Lee. It would be unlikely that Davis would mobilize the national guard in such a situation as Kansas was a territory and - therefore - did not have a national guard of its own. Rather, Brown’s actions would have been notified to the United States Military and they would have moved into the territory to establish order; very little would have changed regardless of who was the President.

[@MatthewChenault]

15:05 This also fails to understand Jefferson Davis’s (and the south, as a whole) beliefs regarding the matter. Their belief was that it was *the states* that determined whether the institution would be legal or not; not the federal body. The matter was a domestic issue; a right of the states to determine of their own volition rather than a matter the federal government’s dictation. Such a proposal would run directly against Davis’s worldview. Davis would not act on the issue, but emphatically state that the matter was a matter of the states to determine. There’s nothing he could really compromise on regarding the matter.

[@amongussuss341]

Keep it up this channel itches a proper itch I havent itched since at least 2017

[@Huesmann49]

One note, early it's said that Lewis Cass was a Southerner. He was from Michigan and served that state.

[@RedMooshroom42]

What if the 1677 american rebellions (Bacon's Rebellion and Culpeper's Rebellion) succeeded, leading to an early American revolution and a free and disunited British America.

[@MonsieurDean]

That ending brought me back to the Goldwater video

[@jamesstewart2495]

Forgive me for being late, and this question has probably been addressed but are you guys related? Or part of a team for the main Monsier Z channel?

[@eduardorocha1585]

​@@jamesstewart2495 they Are the same guy

[@ayyybob]

Where is that video anyway? What happened to it?

[@norwoodzomboy]

Part 2 of this scenario PLEASE!!

[@morsecode980]

What if Prince Henri d’ Bourbon, Count of Chambord, agreed to the French compromise of using the tri-color with the fleur-de-lis in the 1870’s in order to become king of France?

[@Maddog844]

Him and I have the same birthday. I have Southern roots and it’s also Confederate Memorial Day where my ancestors served! Deo Vindice!

[@theandyman88]

Traitor

[@ADMusic1999]

It is what it is. I’m sorry you have to share a birthday with a traitor, but you don’t have to be proud about it. Be proud to be an American - the winners of the civil war who brought about the end of slavery. And be proud to be a part of the modern South which is founded on our shared culture and values rather than the racist ideologies of the past.

[@jacksonguillory8114]

@@theandyman88 now that's uncalled for.

[@Confederate_Mapping]

@ADMusic1999 Listen, be anti-confederate all you want but find a better name then Traitors, it doesn't just make you look like an American Nationalist whose judgement is clouded by American Exceptionalism but also a hypocrit, are you forgetting the United States was founded by traitors? We all are traitors whether Confederate or not because we broke off from Britain. Yes the winning side of the War Between the States did infact end slavery which I heavily agree with the Union doing. But the fact is the actions the Union took during the war are unjustifiable not to mention the Union really only cared for the preservation of the Union (You can find countless speeches from Abraham Lincoln saying so) the truth to history is the Confederacy was not fighting for slavery, although I will not doubt that some leaders and soldiers in the CSA were. These horrible people like Alexander Stephen's (Who was deeply hated by alot of the Confederate Government including President Davis) wanted the CSA to take on a racist idealogy as said in his horrid cornerstone speech, Davis was not a fan of this as he wanted the Confederacy to be a republic like the United States. Davis didn't wish to end slavery nor continue it but rather let it slowly fade into history which he would've ensured had the CS of won (Not to mention if Robert E. Lee became a President of the CSA as he was a staunch emancipationist.) At the end of the day, you are right. We are all Americans but we have a right to love the old south just as much as the new, the difference is knowing the rights and wrongs of both the CSA and the south.

[@King_Steffon_II]

Top tier content👌🏾

[@salprocopio7319]

Craziest take ever 🙏🙏

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content guys! Suggestion: What if Carlos II of spain was born healthy?

[@taWay21]

What if Barry Goldwater became president?? 😮

[@familygash7500]

07:35 Don't you mean *'1856'?*

[@mathieuleader8601]

the apple with the candle on the table is neat glad to see clipart again makes me feel nostalgic

[@JimDavenport-y6y]

Here's a suggestion for another alternate history. What if George Patton became president after World War II?

[@derek_byers]

I don't think Fillmore would actively campaign against Buchanan like that, seeing as he barely made speeches in fear of making himself sound power hungry.

[@Froggediah]

Scenario idea: What if the U.S. never supported the Marshal Plan or Didn’t support Europe as heavily after WW2? Cold War Scenarios are always fun.

[@planetarystargazer]

What If Africa was never colonized and exploited

[@tau-5794]

Most of the sub-saharan kingdoms would still be in a pre-modern state, while there may be more Islamic influence in the north and east of the continent.

[@virginiansupremacy]

probably the same but slightly worse infrastructure and slightly better borders, some places may not even be a nation state. and instead of african slaves in the new world, there would probably be irish slaves

[@tau-5794]

@@virginiansupremacy Slaves would still be exported to the new world because it was Africans capturing and selling them to European traders in the first place. Unless the hypothetical means that for some reason Africa has zero contact with Europe.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@virginiansupremacy irish slaves is unlikely even in the not realistic at all idea that no colonialism in africa means no african slaves. the vast, vast majority of slaves in the atlantic slave trade were bought from african traders not taken by european attacks. there is simply not enough irish nor an established irish slave trade system. the likely alternatives to africa is the Caucasian and black sea slave trades. that was already large and well established. a handful of irish might end up being bought from the barbery slave trade. but they would be a minority even in those markets. the other alternative is the south east asian slave trades, south africa imported slaves from there rather than the much closer africa due to the costs ending up being lower (fewer deaths in transit from diseases for example), if africa is not an option for what ever reason than this might become attractive to even the americas

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@virginiansupremacy better borders is debatable. even assuming no external colonisation there is still going to be the game of empires within the continent, especially since the main drive for colonialism (the need to establish stable states for resource extraction) would still exist. if for whatever reason this doesn't result in direct colonisation the various interest groups would simply sponsor local entities to create the necessary conditions. the lower infrastructure is also going to be region dependant, in someplace the local entities will have sufficient power at the beginning that the infrastructure investment to gain access to resources is going to go on same as normal. while other places the wars to stabilize the area for resources, or the refusal of local entities to cooperate could make it FAR less infrastructure. the biggest change is going to be population. unlike colonialism which was justified to the public on grounds of welfare (in adition to other reasons) and thus a great effort was made to educate the locals, and provide modern farming and medicine. this is going to be a much less well funded venture in a world where its entirely private investment. while they'll get the tech eventually it will be delayed. this combined with more wars as the tribal conflicts last longer, means significantly lower populations, it would likely stay at the level it had stagnated at before the OTL colonisation for much longer, delaying or slowing down the affects by just 30 years means a reduction in the modern african population by around 50%.

[@nickhueper2906]

22:23 why does Davis have *Lincoln* logs lol

[@DeanMonsieur]

Why wouldn't he?

[@trambolo]

Another banger!

[@Wi-Fi-El]

What if Maryland joined the Confederacy?

[@dong6092]

Lewis Cass was not from the south. He was from Michigan.

[@slibertas1996]

Lewis Cass was a Northerner from Michigan

[@ChancellorJimmy]

Hello Mr. Z

[@pnw_wanderer9786]

Wait. How are you related to Monsieur z

[@autotechxbox163]

I had to watch this just for the hilarity of it.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

What if the North secedes? In your scenario the United States is divided on several lines and shatters into several independent countries squabbling with each other. Eventually John Bull (the UK) would come in and like James Woods in Family Guy go, "Ooh! Piece of candy. Ooh! Piece of candy. Ooh! Piece of candy", as he gobbles up one state after another.

[@mathieuleader8601]

the ragrime music is a nice touch for the intro

[@ivandinsmore6217]

Disappointed that you didn't finish the story. Please do a part 2.

[@hohho56oy]

2:26 It's pronounced bo regard not beer regard.

[@shawnbrdlik6213]

I could be wrong and this is a small thing, I don’t believe Millard Fillmore was actively engaged with the Know Nothings. The party as I remember nominated him and he didn’t turn it down but it’s not as if he was campaigning or anything of the sort for that party

[@daniellewis5533]

What if Lincoln backed the Crittenden Compromise? What if Seward was elected in 1860?

[@JTL1776]

What if America's Artic ambitious were achieved.

[@BrianJosephMorgan]

Fascinating.

[@bigboy3686]

TOTAL MANIFESTATION OF DESTINY 🦅

[@chrisleonard9129]

What if texas became independent during the civil war

[@jeffreyscarbroughboardgame2822]

Technicaly he was a U.S presedent the CSA was part of the USA just saying

[@gospodinkartoshka]

What if the Soviet Union accepted the Marshal Plan?

[@White_Recluse]

Its interesting to see what Jefferson Davis’s legacy as a president could have been. Maybe it could have been the prelude to an American Empire

[@Froggediah]

He’d probably be remembered in the same light Jackson was, if not a little bit less notable. While he would’ve gained us territory, I have a feeling that in the modern day he’d be criticized for the Caribbean caste system they had going and not preventing it. I did think that he might be blamed for whatever Jim Crow Laws are put in place, though it’s likely they wouldn’t happen during his time as President. It really just depends on what happens in the coming 40 years, I suppose.

[@White_Recluse]

@@Froggediah You could even argue that while divisive to both Republicans and Democrats in the moment, later on he could he seen as a great compromiser instead of an emancipator.

[@Froggediah]

@@White_Recluse possibly

[@lasqueiralasco1523]

What if drusus the elder became the second roman emperor? Bonus points for your tl if his sucessor is drusus the younger

[@UFOtter]

What if the US completely broke across cultual lines, New England left, Cali left, Texas left, Florida left(Possibly including its western portion towards Louisiana), And ofc the south leaving, and the Mormons, all as independent breakoffs

[@swedichboy1000]

What if Ashanti Industrialized?

[@DeanMonsieur]

It's on the to do list 😉

[@Yurie722]

What if Cuba was US state?

[@DeanMonsieur]

You watched the second half of the video, right? 🤨

[@JC_Cali]

@@DeanMonsieur to be fair to OP, I don't recall you ever saying it became a state, just that it became a U.S. possession Look at our world's Puerto Rico to see the distinction.

[@Ardenator1]

Very cool, though i believe they would have annexed the entirety of hispanola as well. Grant looked at doing this in his term with the support of abolitionists to create a state for freed slaves to call home.

[@cringeanarchy7675]

Sounds like a good time for everyone

[@gingerquinn4263]

Can you do a video on what if 9/11 was far worse please

[@eagrun11]

Love the research. History wise i got no argument. The idea that slavery could end in any way, other than by a bloody war equal to that of the civil war doesn't square with what I know about human nature but thats more of a philosophy question.

[@DeanMonsieur]

Well it was likely that slavery would have slowly been phased out in the United States without war had it not been for the invention of the cotton gin. Some historians claim that if the cotton gin wasn’t developed and produced when it had been, slavery would have become unprofitable and would be abolished slowly and over a longer period of time. This concept of slavery becoming illegal as it becomes unprofitable is what compelled the British and other European powers to end slavery (as well as the moral arguments-though history teaches us that economic motives are often more powerful than moral ones).

[@Bobithan_Bobby_Bob_XXVII_Jr]

The president of the Confederacy ends slavery... Amazing alt history

[@aarona1895]

Why would Breckinridge be VP? Davis would already have the South in the general.

[@richdewald6462]

Cass was not a Southerner. He was from Michigan

[@Obamama4211]

Glory to the Magnate Glory to Hydyr

[@maximusdecimusmeridious3784]

Why is there a new channel when monsiour Z already exist

[@DeanMonsieur]

US of Z is the new home for Alternate History, whereas the Monsieur Z channel will be reserved for History and Geopolitics

[@robgronotte1]

Why do you say Davis was a northerner?

[@darthguilder1923]

What if the Indian territory was never dissolved?

[@DeanMonsieur]

As in just Oklahoma or Native nations get their own states?

[@darthguilder1923]

@@DeanMonsieur Oklahoma

[@geoffreytotton1983]

Interesting

[@kaiezesi6630]

What if jfk never died

[@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh]

We would live in a constitutional republic.

[@rebeccawinter472]

Reparations - for the slavers. 🤯

[@JC_Cali]

Im generally of the mind that more parties and more diversity makes for a more better world - so that's why it's so fascinating to see this althistory with this racist president - but then you smartly left it on a very ominous ending, kudos mate

[@nathanlocation]

god bless John Brown

[@ssg9offical]

Glory to John Brown.

[@adamhenrywalker]

Deo Vindice!

[@JimBaker-vk6ed]

God bless the Confederacy and our glorious president Jefferson David!!!

[@remylofombo5529]

*Davis. The CSA, the last American soldiers that died for the freedom of Americans, and America as it was established. Such a shame, they did their best ✊🏾🇦🇺

[@TheRavenLord1]

#NorthAmericanUnion

[@jonnialavuo]

biast video

[@adamhenrywalker]

Deo Vindice!