What is Qimir's SITH ORIGIN? The Acolyte Episode 5 Review and Discussion

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The Acolyte Episode 5 left us SHOCKED with its character deaths and of course the "reveal" of Qimir being the Master. But what is his Sith origin? Could he become one of the KNights of Ren? And does he have more of a past with Master Sol than we see? Join Erik Voss, Maude Garrett, Tom Michelsen and Brandon Barrick as they discuss!
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00:00 - Intro
03:37 - Episode Recap
17:57 - Favorite Moments?
22:29 - What is Qimir's Origin and History?
37:32 - Are Osha and Mae going to fully flip sides?
48:46 - Live Audience Questions
58:52 - A-List Alien!
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[@jladelaney1978]

Qimir out there cashing cheques and snapping necks

[@JKallday19]

Best part of the ep or the show so far ...

[@logan825]

You just revealed your UK status lol

[@joewyatt2269]

"Are they that blind?" Uh, the Jedi didn't recognize that Palpatine was a Sith lord right under their nose. I think hubris is their kryptonite, always.

[@ceezyjeffezy2213]

OSHA just saw Yord and Jecki killed because of Mae and y’all are confused why she doubles down on the Jedi law and order?

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

What are you talking about Yord died because of Osha Sol told them to leave Osha brought him back. And Jeckies amd Yord were killed by the man Osha just saved so what are you talking about?

[@GurinderJohal]

I believe they mean that all these events are happening because of Mae, Qimir used Mae’s past and personal vendetta and Mae, being the dummy she is, followed through it until she found out Osha was alive

[@ceezyjeffezy2213]

@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord this whole chase is because Mae started killing Jedi. Indara, Torbin, so the Jedi came to this planet to stop her. What are you talking about?

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

@@ceezyjeffezy2213 wtf does that have to do with jedi law? She was ready to have Yord kill Mae because she's afraid she couldn't. But now she's willing to let the killer of all her friends live? If she was willing to allow Mae to die why not the person way more evil? And Yord death is on Osha yord and osha were supposed to leave Osha make yord turn back so you cant even put that on Mae.

[@ceezyjeffezy2213]

@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord wtf are you talking about. When she asked Yord to kill her they had no idea Mae was having doubts, she was on her way to kill a third Jedi after killing two. They were expecting a confrontation. Mae wasn’t absolved of the two murders just because her Master turned psycho. Osha and Yord went back to help Sol and Jecki against a Maniac Sith who Mae brought to the planet. It’s on Mae. To paraphrase Qimir. “Mae brought him here.”

[@extrashotofespresso_]

As soon as I saw them arms, I became a Qimir girl through and through.

[@MrLee-cy1pw]

He do got some canons attached to them shoulders.

[@WinterSo1dier]

He has no Sith origins. When asked what he was he merely said “you would call me a Sith.” It just meant “I don’t fall in line with your bs” and am still going to use his power as he sees fit. As he can’t be a witch, he’s not a Jedi so… I guess you’d call me a Sith.

[@JBurnz001]

Meanwhile the shows writer said this story is about the Sith. Stop with the mental gymnastics

[@coblamoration1102]

Thank you for saying it. The word usage and it's delivery is interesting and I haven't seen anyone mention it.

[@RelixYB]

@@JBurnz001you got tism if you think it’s mental gymnastics.

[@redomagnus4762]

@@RelixYByou don’t have to bring autism into it like it’s a negative… Agree that just because it’s a show about Sith doesn’t mean Qimir is actually a Sith. It could be about how “modern” Sith came to be, and they aren’t actually connected to the race of Sith that came before? Idk that much about Sith history, but also don’t know what is canon there anymore.

[@tibaldhunger8386]

I'm still with @winterso1dier on that one. Qimir does not see himself as a Sith. Just a (dark) force user.

[@ThespianPrince13]

Unpopular opinion: Qimir should’ve been the protagonist of the Acolyte. No twins. No witches. Just “Qimir” training as a Sith apprentice and navigating the galaxy.

[@smokeykenobi1653]

Training as a sith under who?

[@debso]

​@@smokeykenobi1653 darth tenebrous...

[@extrashotofespresso_]

Just say you don’t want a show with a woman protagonist

[@tomtompx]

Probably not as unpopular as the acolyte is in general. Qimir is by far the most interesting character of the show. It's not even close.

[@ichigen511]

Yeah. Unpopular for a good reason. Sorry you didn't get the toys you wanted for Christmas. I did.

[@debso]

Acknowledging a jedi as a master isn't uncommon. Sidious called Yoda "master Yoda"

[@FOAHelix]

This! She got hyper fixated on that and every time I was like no hes just being "respectful" Master Jedi is something that gets thrown around all the time

[@sndhigh]

I’m not saying either way, but the reason sidious was doing that may have been because of his preexisting relationship with Yoda. In both cases, they are using “master” ironically - or maybe sarcastically. Or something. Not sure the word to use there 😅. Just a possible explanation.

[@bowlsem7]

Yord was being realistic about lightsaber combat. The only beings that can really use lightsabers effectively are jedi. For non force users a blaster is much easier to kill with. So the only real experience any jedi has against another lightsaber is dueling another jedi trained by jedi.

[@platoniczombie]

Especially in this time period.

[@fulgar_films]

When Qimir kills Jecki lon. That was a filipino martial arts move. Kali, also known as Arnis or Eskrima, is the martial art of the Philippines. Kali emphasizes fighting with tools like sticks, knives, swords, improvised weapons, as well as empty hand techniques. Manny Jacinto is filipino.

[@ichigen511]

Nice. Thanks for the info that's fucking awesome.

[@snowwhite1494]

thats dope that they know trakata in the philippines

[@its-siilvy]

They used real light-up devices with battery packs in them for this show, so kinda kills Erik’s thing for the choreography around the placement of where the beams “would be” (and also explains why the hilts are thicc hogs)

[@AAAAGGGGHHHHH]

More Unpopular Opinion: The force healing isn’t really that big of a deal

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

I mean yeah its just dumb/another dumb addition that they keep shoving in dumb shows so in the grand scheme does it matter when they cant do simple things well.

[@andrewurycki168]

@@ChrisSmith-tu9buguess what? Instead of being such a constant killjoy that feels the need to comment and complain in every thread. YOU CAN JUST TURN YOUR TV OFF AND NOT WATCH THE SHOW. Incels just can’t let anyone enjoy anything

[@keithfranklin214]

The wound didnt heal, so not force healing

[@snowwhite1494]

it was a small wound its not like he stopped her from dying so it didnt matter but thats exactly why I think it does kinda matter as either to point to who he really is or purposely make us think we know who he is

[@boiledodenproductions]

The choreography in this episode was fantastic, one of the best lightsaber battles we have ever seen. A story focusing on Qimir should have been the direction the show focused on.

[@ichigen511]

Glass half full. Glass half empty. I'm a half full guy but I do realize many of the fandom can only see the top half of the glass that has nothing in it. Sucks to not be able to recognize the fact that there is yummy yum yum in the bottom half of the glass. Typical! and boring...

[@boiledodenproductions]

@@ichigen511 it is what it is, some people enjoy complaining about the toys they got rather than the ones they wanted. This show has its ups and downs, I just love going on new adventures, and it is an adventure regardless of fandom toxicity.

[@ichigen511]

@@boiledodenproductions Thank you for the reponse I misread your comment. Cheers brother you see the yummy yum yum at the bottom half of your glass, you just wish you had JUST a little bit more yum yum. 😅

[@jonathanrodriguez871]

​@@ichigen511this show sucks get over it you baby

[@ichigen511]

@@jonathanrodriguez871 LOL. Do you need a hug?

[@karumehickman]

Qimir didnt call himself a Sith. He said that the Jedi would call him a Sith. Not exact;ly the same thing.

[@EwanLim]

nice catch

[@mr.r6741]

I think that’s very important, great catch!

[@Fedaygin]

Indeed. Earlier today before i came here i wrote same to person in Facebook page about the episode. I guess that person was part of rude Fandom 'Karen' Menace because what i got back was nasty meme 😮‍💨 I'll restream S01E05 via D+ on saturday evening, but without those 2x 😐 moments 🙂

[@Numberidge]

The amount of time it took Eric to open that lightsaber 😂

[@computerboy2k]

My son and I knew he might be one of the first knights of Ren, who do not follow the rule of two…

[@cheesedoodledad4255]

Watched live on KZbin. Back for seconds 🤣👍

[@ichigen511]

Guys (and Maude). We KNOW he is tied into the story of the witches because of what Osha told Yord. She told him her mother knew how to get inside the heads of the Jedi. Just like Qimir did to Yord. Who tought Qimir? Hmmmmm???????

[@DismemberTheAlamo]

I remember a while back there was a rumor about Keanu being cast in a SW role for a project. I fully beleive that it was for the role of Qimir and it was changed to Manny. Given he would have worked a bit with Carrie Anne, it seems like it would have made sense. Thats the theory im going with, exp since in this role Manny does look a lot like it could have been Keanu

[@dtwings1223]

I think Qimir and his master were at the ascension ceremony. There are two mysterious figures flanking Aniseya, and you can see their breath, so I don't think they are coven members. I think Qimir's master is actually the one who can force possess people, they just made it appear as if Aniseya was doing it. I think Aniseya would be reluctant to "pull the thread." I think Sol cuts down Aniseya when Kelnacca is possessed, thinking it would sever the tie, but then realized he killed an "innocent" when the force possession tie was not severed.

[@JPSRCE1987]

Damn that's a good theory right there

[@dtwings1223]

@@JPSRCE1987 Thank you. I believe this is why Qimir is so preoccupied with mind control/mind reading and wears a helmet that protects him from mind control. His master does it often. This is also how his master kills jedi without a weapon. He possessed other beings that kill the jedi.

[@user-zl9sh9mz6h]

Qimir found a pamphlet on the ground that said "So You Want to Be a Sith...?". He opened it, and it had quotes from L.Ron Hubbard, Ayn Rand, and Anton LeVay.... 😅

[@Nightlightknight]

Is he really a Sith though? Or is he saying that any Force user who is not a Jedi tends to get lumped under the Sith banner when they may just be a dark Jedi or just a force user who does not adhere to the Jedi dogma.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

No telling CLEARLY this show despises Cannon...he probably comes from a colony of Sith and they could be all gay guys having sith babies...At this point theres no limit to the amount of Cannon the writers just ignore to suit whatever jacked up story theyre going for

[@jairmorales2017]

Idk the RED light saber isn’t a tell? 🤨

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

Sith is a very specific thing. Thats like hearing im Christian and just lumping me in with Judaism thats saying " ehhh close enough". But in reality no is completely different

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord I mean the dude could be lying but the show is making up its own cannon as it goes...Im sure if they were writing a Muslim character itd be a pig farmer and love making sausages..its so badly farcical while ignoring so much of the other lore no telling whats happening... I imagine they thought him saying you can call me sith because yall cops wont let me be me sounded cool and jived with their whole there is no evil world view and the good guys are the bad guys storylines they love.

[@frann8552]

​@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu What canon is it making up you haven't said a single thing that they've made up. For the love of God just stop watching the show if you don't even know what your talking about

[@eliechaya9690]

Love from Belgium 🇧🇪 ❤ Thank you for the love on KZbin ❤

[@TravisBurton]

What if Qimir and Sol are brothers separated by the Jedi.... I also noticed that, at times, it seemed as if Qimir was trying not to kill the Jedi. As though - until they saw his face, he wanted to further make the Jedi think something evil, yet unrelated to the Sith was causing their issues.

[@kokane531]

Osha will kill Sol in the final episode without a weapon and this will be when she completely turns and fulfils her sister's original objective and becomes the Acolyte.

[@thelostpawn]

She’s gotta control his mind/get into his head

[@Krayvan]

I just want to give a Shoutout to Stunt Coordinator Mark Ginther, Junchang Lu & Manny Jacinto. Because it can be seen how much Love they put into this episode. The fact this shows that you can kill a Jedi without a weapon (just snap their neck). Also gotta give it to Jecki (Dafne Keen) hopefully the next time we see her drop kick someone she has claws (X23). The Power of 1, The Power of 2.... the Power of Manny!!!!

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Yeah I wish the direction had been a little better but man they really knew their stuff and choreographed some beautiful fight scenes. i thought the same thing with the opening..Too bad the wasted it on such a badly written and directed show but at least they gave us SOMETHING the fans might like.

[@Em_six]

Because Qimir refers to Sol as master, maybe Qimir was "recruited/abducted" by the Jedi as a small child and Sol could sense the force and great potential in Qimir. Sol starts to train Qimir as an apprentice but then begins to sense the dark side within him and halts his training without explanation and abandons him, or even tries to unalive him because of the darkness within. Qimir then feels isolated and betrayed by the Jedi and Darth Plagus senses his intense emotions and power and is introduced to the dark side and the way of the Sith. Sol has a hard time recognizing Qimir because his mind has been so corrupted and clouded by the dark side that he is essentially a different person. Or Sol does recognize him and is so full of guilt he cant even admit it to himself. Just a thought.

[@rtablada]

For a second I thought the thumbnail said, "SH*T ORIGIN?". I was like, damn TBR!

[@empyrealone]

He doesn't say "im a Sith", he says "I have no name, but the Jedi, like you, might call me Sith". He might be saying he's a Sith here, but another way to look at it is that he's saying he's something else, but because the Jedi are so black and white, they dont leave room for something else, so they would just call him Sith even though that's not what he is.

[@skylermcelrath2064]

It should be Illegal to have this much fun

[@JessicaRose-pi3ck]

Sol knew that wasn’t Osha when she didn’t react to Jecki’s dead body.

[@timetchison4565]

Qimir: I think he is Sol's child

[@chrisfatecj426]

I know lots of fans are saying Qimir is the apprentice, that he has a master, but why would his entire goal be finding a new apprentice? And he has master powers, he went through jedi master, Knights, padawans, so out numbered, not alot of sith apprentices that I can think of, could have done that, he just seems way more of a master sith to me, even if he shouldnt be in this show, but this show is changing some lore, wouldnt suprise me if they dont use a big name sith, and just created a new one for the show...

[@karlxtrava]

Remember in the first episode when Osha complains that there are no other children on Brendok? Looking back, was there more to that line? Does it have a pay-off? Was Qimir also there, perhaps hidden because it was an all-female coven? Is that how Quimir is attached to Mae and Osha and, by extension, to Sol and the other Jedi?

[@QuickieGames]

Did you see my theory? I have proven that Qimir is at the temple along with Mae and Osha

[@darbdarbouze]

A😮

[@platoniczombie]

Maybe Qimir was the one that fanned the flames, literally and figuratively.

[@snowwhite1494]

I think it was just meant to elude they are force made kids soley born for a ceremony

[@andystephens3663]

So all the LIGHTsabers don’t attract the bugs but just that one at the right time does? And he can whoosh away 10 jedis so easily but is helpless to get carried away ? If he has no rules why don’t he just take out his enemies immediately with the force. Crush their heads or just totally cripple them physically?

[@vicstertv8377]

How come everyone missed WHY Qimir force healed a saber wound on Oesha that she never received before Mae knocked her out?? MAE STABBED OSHA???

[@thelostpawn]

That’s right?!? When did she get that wound?!?

[@itztrickyclub3593]

Watching him open that lightsaber box made me want to jump out my window idk why… 😂

[@garygaston-rd8gr]

It feels like Qimir was somehow on Brandoc... Probably way off but what if he was the Witches 1st attempt at creating a Force child, but he lacked balance and was all darkside... So when they tried again they had twins in order to create balance between light and dark? I suppose Osha saying that her mother also knew how to get in a Jedi's head might have just been a red herring though.

[@YetiVlogs]

I want to tease Tom so bad, but he kinda nailed it.

[@markcohen7991]

Maude Garrett, you are totally awesome. LLAP 🖖

[@magicalhobo72]

I think the Vern whip shot is gonna take place on Brendok. I think it’s all leading back to there. I am expecting two flashback episodes, showing off Mae’s, Qimir’s and Sol’s POVs. Last one is gonna be Vern coming in and dying. Qimir will live, but only him.

[@MandosaWright]

Your, off the cuff, After Show theme was gold

[@Failtasmagoria]

I don't understand the focus on force healing. It's been a thing in Star Wars since some of the earliest games and books. Just because most aren't taught or can't use the ability doesn't mean it hasn't been there for the shows and movies to use. I love that they used cortosis, but i hate they didn't explain it for the new viewers that might not have read any books over the years.

[@Mike_C-79]

Sol definitely looked uncertain about Osha (Mae) when he looked at her.

[@ltmp2156]

Remember when Mae came back to him after switching places and cutting her own hair, Sol asked her “Where’s your sister?” Not where’s Mae at? So he definitely has to know something is different.

[@elliesjournals]

disney gave erik a child locked lightsaber

[@johntybagend]

My read was Qimir. Saying ‘Sith’ was him commentating on how Jedi are so black and white. He’s ’s using the dark side so the Jedi will think he’s Sith. His healing shows he’s something else right?

[@guntha20]

Hahahahahahahahaha you all are so great at what you do. I don't know how you keep a straight face

[@annlucy]

I love Maude so funny 😂

[@kovie9162]

My guess is that like many dark side force users he was a mixed-up kid tormented about this or that and some enterprising Sith master came upon him and decide to recruit and turn him to the dark side and train him to help fulfill their personal agenda. E.g. Sidious with Maul, Dooku (admittedly no longer a kid) and Anakin, Dooku with Asajj, Maul trying to do this with Ezra, Sidious/Snoke with Ben, Ben trying to do this with Rey, etc. It's not that complicated and the process is well-known at this point. It's probably how Sidious was recruited when he was a kid. The real question is who recruited and turned him, and how that relates to the broader SW story line and the events that led up to the Jedi's fall 100 years later.

[@ichigen511]

Sorry to post so many comments I just feel safe here. Not that that ever stopped me from commenting LOL. But in case anybody here doesn't know, "REN" means Lotus flower. There was even a Buddhist sutra called "the Lotus Sutra". 'Myoho "REN" ge' in Japanese. The lotus flower is poluar in Hinduism and Buddhism becasue it grows in the mud but expresses itself in the sun WITHOUT mud on it. There is MORE to this symbology but I always thought the Nights of Ren was a fascinating concept and Kylo Ren was a cool name to me. I practiced Buddhism back in the day, I was maried to a Japanese woman born into the practice, and I have been down the rabbit hole. It's honestly one of the seepest rabbit holes. Good luck making sense of it from simple Wiki searches. Ok. I will spol the rabbit hole. The difference between Hinduism lotus flower concept and Biddhist lotus flower concept, First let me explain that Hinduism is like The Torah. Buddhism is like The New Testement. Jesus was Jewish. Christianity comes out of Judaism. Just like Buddhism comes out of Hinduism. Siddhartha Guatama Shakyamunit was a Hindu prince. ANYWAYS. The hindus understand that the Lotus flower is a pure flower even though it grows and is attached to the mud. It comes from the mud yet it is pure. Buddhists understand the Lotus flower on another level. A typical bush or tree will flower (the cause) and weeks, months later will bear fruit (the effect). It's like sex. We all know this. But what's so special about a Lotus flower (or a water Lilly)? The fuit bears at THE VERY SAME INSTANT that the flower buds. Cause and effect. Effect and cause. Both are happening IN THE SAME INSTANT. This is the Lotus sutra in a paragraph. You can be whatever you want to be, if you believe it. It doesn't take time, and most importantly (from a Buddhist point of view) you don't need to eliminate lifetimes of bad karma. You can be a Buddha in the flesh and blood that carries nightmares in the now.

[@RedheartGamer617]

Hi! Love your coverage and discourse on all topics Star Wars! Stopping in to present a small idea I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. I suspect that Qimir is actually a very young Palpatine. He's not been named Sidious by Palgueis -- IE he has no name. This offers an explanation on why Qimir/Palpatine would have been working with the Witches -- furthermore explains his eventual connection to the witches of Dathomir. Also explains some of his behavior in the Acolyte series. Hiding, and manipulating from the shadows, only difference is he's young and makes the same mistake that Maul did on Courisant prior to Phantom Menace. Theres nothing to say that Palpatine didn't have many "acolytes" prior to Maul. Additionally, they've already augmented canon characters ages -- though in Palpatine's case, it could be explained away that Palgueis knew how, and did keep him alive for significantly longer than he would have normally lived through dark side sorcery. Again thank you for being a paragon of the Star Wars community! Keep up the amazing work!!

[@BlyatBlaster]

35:18 yeah, but they’re squashing any other way of looking into the Force because every other group we’ve seen is EVIL. And confronting evil is the destiny of the Jedi.

[@bomafett]

Is Brandon really Vince Vaughn?

[@Lillian.Gao.]

YAAAAS… so glad they played into Manny’s sexiness. Hottieeeeee…. With a body (of work)

[@snowwhite1494]

Sith made a deal with Witches having to do with the dyad twins, Jedi found out somehow, tracked them to Brendock where we see Sol try to recruit Osha. Sith instigates fight through witches where they control the Jedi to fight themselves, leading to the destruction of the witches and Sith swoops in for the seemingly stronger twin but the will realize he got the wrong one. Thats all I got so far

[@ClaudiaS_]

Am I the only one that thought child Osha was a jerk? Because they did belong to that coven of witches, but they were always kind and loving to them, so Osha exposing them to the Jedi was total betrayal. Also… I think those Jedi did something shady af in that flashback and killed them in cold blood, because Master Torbin wasn’t killed. Mae gave him poison and told him she was giving him a chance to repent for what he did. He willingly took it and apologized to Mae as he did… so WHAT DID THEY DO?!

[@jrod485]

The moths taking sithy away gave me the ants defeat Kang vibes

[@MrLee-cy1pw]

That was smart and ballsy. She attached the light to his back and dodged his lightsaber.

[@DDuffy143]

Don't know if anyone else noticed this.. but that Kylo Ren theme is first played in Episode 1 Phtanom Menace when they are first shown landing on Tatooine. Check it out.

[@TheJaker5]

Qimir calling Sol “Master Sol” doesn’t mean a damn thing.

[@IllusiveBunny]

Yall really don’t wait 24 hours before putting spoilers in thumbnails.

[@AAAAGGGGHHHHH]

Hardly a spoiler is it mate 😂

[@IllusiveBunny]

@@AAAAGGGGHHHHH I said what I said !!!!!!

[@AAAAGGGGHHHHH]

@@IllusiveBunnyIk bro 😂 you get the joke tho!

[@jwiggs82]

It’s now a prime time show so if you didn’t watch upon release try avoiding the internet if you care that much…

[@IllusiveBunny]

@@jwiggs82 nah, just this channel. This is the third time and it’s only been them. I unsubscribed. Problem solved, thanks for your help.

[@AllGreyEverything]

What if Qimir is being puppeted by Jodi Turner-Smith's Mother Aniseya? She's the one asking if Sol remembers her and senses her familiar power. A Carrie-Ann Moss was also a twin reveal isn't outside the realm of possibility either.

[@leohowerton666]

It sounds like theyre eluding that he knows Sal killed everyone for whatever reason. I think the witches thought the jedi were burning the place down and forced them into a conflict that led to them killing them all. They also mentioned he used the same technique as Oshas mom. Also Sal said he can tell hes no jedi basically saying hes had no jedi training. Id bet the witch that carried the twins in her womb lived and decided to have another baby but this time it was a boy and raised him to be a Sith and exact her revenge on the Jedi.

[@MrLee-cy1pw]

I think he was in the woods on Brendok wispering into Mae's ears.

[@leohowerton666]

@@MrLee-cy1pw oooo good one

[@snowwhite1494]

I always knew I couldnt trust Sal from the hit tv show Impractical Jokers

[@leohowerton666]

@@snowwhite1494 bro he just cancelled his pods I'm actually upset

[@crazyed84]

Sol is going to realize it’s May by looking at her arm. She doesn’t have the tattoo that Osha has 😎

[@DyadintheForce]

The ability that was exclusive to the Dyad was life force transfer. Ben transferring his life to Rey to bring her back from death. Normal Force healing of wounds is not the same. No one other than two Dyads could revive the other because they are two that are one. Source: secrets of the sith

[@BlyatBlaster]

8:54 but Jecki isn’t supposed to be this combat master. She’s a Padawan, and a low level Padawan at that. The Sith, even a Sith Apprentice, is supposed to be significantly more powerful than even Jedi Knights. And Qi’mir just slaughtered 6 or 7 other Jedi Knights with ease. But this little girl Padawan makes him struggle? He should annihilate her. It shouldn’t even be a thought. It should be effortless. He should cut through her like it’s nothing. The only time we’ve seen a Padawan defeat a Sith was Obi Wan defeating (sorta) Maul during Phantom Menace. But that wasn’t anything to do with Obi Wan being more powerful than Maul because remember, Maul won the duel portion of that fight. It was only when Maul allowed his hubris to distract and blind him that Obi Wan was able to get the upper hand for a split second and cut Maul down. Even Anakin as a Padawan was easily dispatched by Count Dooku. And Anakin is supposed to be one of the most proficient swordsmen the Jedi have ever produced. And he couldn’t defeat a Sith. But we’re supposed to believe this little Padawan held her own against this Sith?

[@jenniferwilson2217]

But he did! I think those 3 light sabers wounds showed that he was far superior. Also, I think he a little more respect for her cause she was loyal. She was a good fighter and adept in the force even more so than Yord. I don’t think her “rank” was that important. But again I was never offended by so called Mary Sue or Gary Sue characters. It’s fiction. It’s a story

[@BlyatBlaster]

@@jenniferwilson2217 yeah, he killed her. But he struggled. It took him much longer and she was the one besides Sol to get some hits in on him. Her rank absolutely has something to do with it. Because he has significantly more training than she does. She’s a student. She’s learning. She’s supposed to have less training than the multiple Jedi knights he’s slaughtering right before that. She shouldn’t do as well as she did

[@andiepritchett374]

Why is everyone mad about Sol leaving the bodies. There needs to be an investigation. It’s a crime scene and the Jedi are essentially police.

[@maudesworld]

There are witnesses… no need to investigate too hard

[@hohomon]

I agree. Since Mae (actually Osha) has disappeared, he need to take action quickly and he should also report the presence of the Sith as soon as possible.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Uhmnm .. because A.)Either he assumes the Sith is dead and is STILL rushing off the planet for no reason...He, didnt even check to see if the Wookie was still alive B.)He thought Osha was with him but why didn't he go apprehend who he thinks is May. C.)ALL Jedi are force sensitive and Sol is supposed to be this high level guy whos a mind reader yet cant tell theres a switch D.) Why wouldn't you make sure the Sith is dead E.)Why would you leave incredibly rare and dangerous lightsabers all over the woods. I mean they LITERALLY MAKE SUPER WEAPONS out of the crystals that power them..its like leaving Uranium laying around F.)Does this dude not have ANY respect or care for his friends? Would an actual medieval Knight leave a dead comrade's body to be eaten by animals after a battle was over and the enemy assumed eradicated....I mean THE ENORMITY OF THIS BAD WRITING WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED...if we didn't already have She-Hulk...it is insane about how either incompetent or lazy these people were. Its like a skit show and certain characters are just SUPPOSED to be in certain locations which works in a goofy comedy because it's just comedy bits...this is just scenes without ANY reasoning...if they predecided they wanted certain scenes in a TV show they could have just out-sourced the script to a bunch of high school kids that could brainstorm WHY these people would be at certain places... because as is they never make sense...and if the scenes were oscar worthy maybe it wouldn't be so bad but the scenes are normally boring asf or just disjointed.

[@user-uskxnfiw729]

Sol can’t move bodies to the spaceship by himself. They need a squad with proper transportation vehicles to carry them out of forest.

[@bingobob4124]

didn't Yodi dismiss death as simply rejoining the force - I don't think it would have crossed Sol to give them a proper funeral

[@joshuarittenhouse4938]

So Mae's POV was of the Jedi taking her sister after killing her kind. Osha's POV is of Mae trying to take her sister after killing her new kind, the Jedi. Mae sees this as necessary and just whereas Osha was always the one being taken.

[@PEEPSnationOfficial]

Ahsoka didn't establish the light saber stabs don't kill narrative, that was Obi Wan... Reeva survived twice... in the same series...

[@causewhynot6485]

Nobody gonna take about that's impressive as lightsaber skills at the start? I for sure woulda cracked myself in the face trying that ahahaha

[@evanmisejka4062]

I think the 4 Jedi (including Sol) that came to take the twins killed the whole coven. I also like the idea that Osha completed Qimir's test. Overall I cant wait for next Tuesday.

[@jizziejustin]

Fights with lightsabers but what those guns? Dame! lol

[@Inklett13]

Noticed that when mae and osha hug, the sun is rising behind mae and its still shadow behind osha… idk if im just looking too much into it tho

[@dademon9725]

There should be an episode of the Mauderoom where only Maude talks…..yeah I like that idea….lets try that

[@itsJayrivera]

Maude is the best thing TBR has ever done

[@SethRGray]

I think killing a jedi without a weapon means tricking the jedi into sacrificing themself for you

[@alexramirez7396]

Force healing was common in the expanded universe, but it was self-healing. Jedi would enter a meditative state to heal minor injuries and it was required learning for Padawans.

[@PunchSuccaa]

What was with the random jump cuts to the sith dude into different locations, can he teleport? They didn't highlight that well enough for me to understand what was going on, is he nightcrawler or batman

[@Clairejart]

I’m sad about Jecki, her fighting skills and adorable nerdiness deserved more screen time. She went out like a Viking though!!!!

[@michaelnewman4649]

I really hope they don’t ruin Vernestras character..she is one of my favorites in the high republic novels, and she’s not necessarily a by the books, nose to the grindstone Jedi..she’s got her own way about her, but she’s good, she does the right thing no matter the cost and I really hope they don’t fundamentally change her to cover this all up

[@1lionyouth]

How was he causing the lightsabers to short circuit?

[@AlzheimersCaretaker]

since he's not using a predictable fighting style, Qimir vs. jedi = Deadpool vs. taskmaster

[@Hutch-Finn]

perhaps these 4 jedi all had dark-side tendencies, and found a way to lock-away aspects of their own psyche, to conceal it from even themselves. Then they found Osha, who was dark-leaning, and after osha tried to kill Mae (instead of the other way around) they did the same thing to her...

[@nicholasrodriguez3600]

I been hearing some theories about how Jackie and Yord isn’t dead but severely injured. For instance Yord could be just paralyzed from the neck down due to his neck being snap since in some tv shows it shows that if they don’t do it correctly it would leave them paralyzed instead. Which would make Yord the first paralyzed Jedi. As for Jacki I don’t know if her species birth the same way we do but two out of three lightsabers stab just hit her arms so if the third one would be non fatal then she could survived with two badly damaged arms.

[@BlyatBlaster]

11:24 but he exposed himself! He intentionally revealed himself to the Jedi! Like there’s no reason for him to do that, it doesn’t make sense. “Mae was gonna betray him and tell the Jedi everything.” Tell them what? It’s already been established that she doesn’t know anything! She doesn’t know his name, she’s never seen his face, what does she actually know? Like that’s the whole point of him using Mae as this assassin so that he could remain hidden per the Rule of Two. Nobody knew who he was. Even Sol asks him “why reveal yourself?” And he says “well, I didn’t wear a mask.” But that’s not what Sol was asking. Even if the helmet had stayed on the Jedi know there’s a Sith running around! In canon comics Maul uses his lightsaber a few times to fight people in the Coruscant underworld, and Sideous nearly murders him. Because if the Sith reveal their presence too early the Jedi might, oh I dunno, institutes some preventative measures that might stop the Sith from infiltrating the Senate and dissolving it into “the first, Galactic, EMPIRE!” And just ruin hundreds of years of Sith plotting. But now Darth Qi’mir is just openly out here? It’s just not consistent.

[@russellhammond7943]

Im waiting for the sith guy to say “Bankai!”

[@kerraii2008]

In my honest opinion, Sol is Darth Tenebrous. Qimir is a nobody early Apprentice of Tenebrous. And Osha becomes Darth Tenebrous new Apprentice by killing Qimir after Qimir kills Mae. This was the plan all along from Episode 3 when Sol/Tenebrous starts his plan to remove Qimir amny years back when he takes on osha as a Padawan while he is hiding in plane sight as a Jedi.

[@raphstar]

Really with the spoiler thumbnail? I know we all suspected it, but come on.

[@Hutch-Finn]

I wonder if Sol's memories were wiped at some point, like Osha's seem to have been.

[@drakehall364]

4:04 What had qimir been doing in the meantime, curls! A whole lot of curls

[@francisco_m7849]

🌪️ oh man, I totally forgot about that whole Jecki scene with osha. If the philosophy is that when something dies, it becomes part of the force and that’s a good thing why is Sol having such a problem with everybody dying unless he has issues with his emotions and he is more clingy than most of the other Jedi. That’s another thing from the beginning is coming off a lot more emotional than any of the other Jedi you’ve seen up to now. All the Jedi are very stoic and focused and have their emotions in check but not Sol.

[@francisco_m7849]

🌪️ I totally love the idea that Qimir is using the twins to get revenge on the Jedi but that’s not where I feel like they’re going. It’s like two separate stories going on at the same time which is creating a lot of confusion.

[@francisco_m7849]

🌪️ I think I’m having trouble getting my point across. The whole base concept of the Jedi, looking for balance and peace with the force and at the same time they are a militant group who uses swords is weird unless you look at them like what the samurai were, but they’re not doing that, so that you want them to be peaceful order but you’re still training your acolytes for combat one doesn’t drive with the other.

[@richard.c.guitars]

Nothing unusual about Qmir saying Master Sol…. All Jedi in the movies were called that by non Jedi…….even Palpatine said Master Yoda, Master Kenobi etc……..

[@etherealtb6021]

Who said Sol can't sense that's really Mae? Did you see that little look he gave? He's playing along.

[@BlyatBlaster]

40:08 “why are you introducing these rules just to ignore them later?” Because it’s bad writing, Maude. Because it’s bad writing.

[@Seb_X]

Journey to the dark side apparently starts with those arms. Maude, you were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them!

[@Amplifymagic]

Yes good question, how can Sol leave Jekky's body on the ground, left for the wolves? Fighting was good but writing is horrendous.

[@YetiVlogs]

Maude is flexible too?!?!? Crikey! She gonna hate this one. lol

[@artobaron399]

Knight of Ren were rule by another Ren before kylo could be the guy

[@thewinterizzy]

Been waiting all day for this and didn’t disappoint. 🤩

[@orckingi1208]

You know, as you guys were talking about Force Healing, a thought came to my mind that maybe Disney might have originaly got the idea of Force Healing from the Naruto anime.