What Went Wrong? - Bodycount (2011) Retrospective

[@mattc7420]

At the risk of being cheesy, BLACK was inspired by Hollywood Blockbusters and Bodycount was the DVD sequel.

[@PoyoPancakes]

Actually that’s the perfect way to describe it!

[@piyaphumL.]

That's the best description you give it to this game.

[@halowillneverbegoodagain1868]

It will never not be amusing that Black's director is "Mr Black"

[@ridhosamudro2199]

Raycevick's "hehe" always echoes in my head when I read his name

[@BadaBing420]

Agent Black

[@jubeaumont6305]

It was his game and he named it after himself. Not that amusing.

[@justincholos.balisang6884]

Emerson Black

[@Geeler]

John Black

[@MrWaifuTaker]

It's pretty depressing how Black came in as one of the best FPS games in the mid-2000's only to die from EA's hand, and Bodycount didn't sell well.

[@MrHammers]

Typical EA innit

[@ClarkKentai]

In all fairness, Bodycount didn't deserve to sell well.

[@chrislair6832]

​What was the crazy mechanic they used? I'm sure he's gonna mention it in the video. But there was some mechanic that made me not even wanna try this game​@@ClarkKentai

[@chrislair6832]

Nvm i remember it was no ads

[@ClarkKentai]

@@chrislair6832 The game's fine aim locked the player's feet in place and let them lean around cover. This was the only fine aim in the game.

[@LeonLein82]

I bought this for £1 during the pandemic. It's one of the most "alright" videogames ever, definitely worth paying a quid to piss away an afternoon with

[@PlearCore]

It is for real the definition of "video game"

[@ubermenschbrent]

They should’ve had Ice T as the main protagonist, then it would’ve all made sense

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

EA used to be voted "worst company".. They have alot of competition these days

[@NeoMatrix5]

never played BodyCount but Black was a lot of fun. i may go back and play it again, i have the disc still. too bad a true sequel doesnt exist

[@HueyTheDoctor]

You have the perfect voice for this kind of narration. Super easy to listen to.

[@MrHammers]

Thank you! I appreciate the kind words my friend

[@jtukko]

Black is a classic. Would be very hard to make a follow up to that.

[@Heat7208]

This channel is severely underrated still, GOATED reviews.

[@MrHammers]

Appreciate ya my man

[@UnabridgedGamer]

*glances at the copy of Bodycount sitting in my 360, on desk, underneath the screen displaying this video* I mean... I MIGHT have played it... it's a distinct possibility.

[@AsBizarrasAventurasdeKlonesias]

damn i was missing your videos, thanks for coming back Hammer

[@MrHammers]

Thanks for having me 🫡

[@OdysseyHome-Gaming]

Apparently if you pull the left trigger half way in you can ADS and move. Was so bizarre. The thing i remember about this game was how it's scoring system encouraged chain kills n headshots, not destruction and multi-kills. Thats like making a street racing game and scoring people on how well they obey the road rules. 🤦‍♂️

[@tenpirpa4503]

I always confuse this game with Brink

[@codigoceropokemmo]

Yeah some characters style pretty similar but even Brink did better than this 💀

[@MrHammers]

When I was first looking into this game I thought the same thing lmaooo

[@codigoceropokemmo]

@@MrHammers big minds think similar 🧠

[@obscureprey13]

Oof brink was so bad 😂😂😂 I remember my friend bought it full price and we played it. He asked me if he should try to get a refund 😂😂😂

[@jacobstaten2366]

It does have a similar flavor to Brink and Elite Squad.

[@drewgoin8849]

The Editing of this video is golden!! So many little things integrated into the gameplay clips that provide a few humorous moments of levity.

[@MrHammers]

Hey thanks! I truly appreciate that 🙏

[@krissythecatboi]

That level of destruction is immensely cool. If they had paired it up with a more fleshed out story and characters, it would have been really cool!

[@g0odnite]

I played that game on PS3. I was staying at my cousin's house for a summer vacation and I played that game all day. It was fun.

[@krunoslavkovacec1842]

I remember just stumbling upon this game in a store when I was a kid

[@vinniecorleone62]

A solid profile on this infamous shooter & supposed sequel to "Black"! I bought it the day it came out as I heard it was the sequel to one of my favorite 6th gen games. Sadly, it was slaughtered in reviews at that time & it obviously didn't sell well compared to "Black". I'm one of the 29 people who actually like it, so I appreciate your fair take on it!

[@MrHammers]

That's awesome you kept up with and got the game on release. I didn't even hear about this game in 2011, I was playing the big productions at that time and this was nowhere near my radar. I think I would've enjoyed it in its time, especially getting to actually play the multiplayer would've helped as well

[@vinniecorleone62]

@MrHammers There was vastly more good games to experience back then, far more than games out compared to today. I read the gaming magazines & kept up on YT previews & reviews, not just the AAA big games coming out but AA ones too, many just as fun.

[@MrHammers]

I think studios had the freedom to try new things back then. New gameplay ideas and experiences that they could try out especially if they had a big publisher footing the bill for it. It's just sad when ideas didn't pan out and those small studios get axed by the likes of EA

[@CAPCOM784]

I didn't get it on release, but I did play and finish the whole game. I enjoyed it not saying it's the best goty but had a good time playing it.🙂

[@InsanityPrevails]

Off-center crosshair 😭😭😭

[@KP-48-007]

1:27 what are we talking about!!?? What are we talking about😏

[@Churchillo]

"Damn, if this game is so unpopular and old, it probably means it's rare as hell, but i think i want to play it tho..." *checks the price at the closest local game store* $ 2,50...

[@MrHammers]

It failed at even being scarce

[@sergentharker7182]

I'm gonna be honest, the first time you said 'Intel Points' and totally thought you said 'Incel Points'

[@MrHammers]

Tomato, tomato

[@PsychiiX]

Ah the game I got back then because I only had $10 at Gamestop and the G36C on the cover just looked so cool.

[@MrHammers]

G36C is a cheat code tbh. Such a cool weapon

[@Lyanlolz]

At least we got Sean Murray thriving with no man's sky

[@jamespaul6315]

Two developers I wonder what happened to, stuart black and dennis dyack

[@MrHammers]

I was trying to look what Black was up to after codemasters but couldn't find much information. I hope he found somewhere

[@dannygloversshotgun211]

@@MrHammersif I remember correctly he helped produce a ww2 shooter in 2014 called Enemy Front, but left that project aswell. Some of the gameplay had his style but it sold and reviewed worse than Bodycount

[@SemiEssessi]

Stuart went from project to project blaming everyone but himself for his failures and wiped out of the industry as far as I know. Its a shame, a lot of people who worked with him loved him, but ultimately he was given too much too fast, and partly based on people conflating the name of the first game with the idea that he actually lead that project.

[@jamespaul6315]

@ thats a shame. I just played black recently and its a solid game. Its flawed but holds up quite well for its age

[@SemiEssessi]

@@jamespaul6315 absolutely a masterpiece of its time. but to be straightforwards, this was craig sullivan's baby. stuart black just had the right name at the right time.

[@evprince]

I actually got this game on release and loved it. I mean it has issues but damn it was cool.

[@MrHammers]

I wish development went smoother for codemasters because the world they were cooking looked pretty cool, they just never expanded on anything unfortunately

[@m_56782]

I remember I got this gifted to me on release day by my older cousin. First gift I wish someone else could have refunded for their sake.

[@crnlonewolf3195]

I remember watching this on the show game trailers a part of me felt like there should have been more to this game but the destructive environment look great

[@MrHammers]

Yeah felt the same way, nice tech demo game but lacked substance

[@Mankey619]

I didn't know that the team that made Black, made another FPS game. It looks just like Black, in a Sci-Fi futuristic take of it.

[@pandjalu6]

Black is the best game of all time in my list.

[@ADR69]

black was the first game I ever gave up on. I loved it but that last mission broke me

[@epgamer1145]

Black was the very first FPS I ever played. This holds an odd spot on my gaming history.

[@Merlaut715]

The Ballad Of Gay Tony loading theme though

[@loudris442]

I thought that Stuart Black was more interested in another project that Codemasters Guildford was also working on Five-O, which was meant to be an open-world police-themed game which never materialized, leaving them to have to work on Bodycount.

[@MrHammers]

Possibly, I know he was originally interested in making a spiritual successor to Black but not sure of his motives once that project went off the rails

[@flippedoutkyrii]

I never got this game on the 360 but from what I saw from lets plays The Target is such an overly designed faction that is so technologically advanced their aesthetics are better suited for an Alien Race rather then a Clandestine Human Agency.

[@MrHammers]

Agree with you there, they come across more as robots rather than people in suits

[@dappermasquerade4299]

didn't expect the housebuilding song

[@MrHammers]

I use it every time I have a sponsor lol. Gotta build the house 🏠

[@alexgreentea771]

I remember renting this game as a kid and loved it. It wasn't the best but oh boy was it fun.

[@optchurch1402]

You can ads while moving, you have to lightly squeeze the aiming trigger

[@impairedtrout6917]

It's literally one of those games you see in the background of a movie

[@Dragonfury3000]

The only good thing this game as going for against Black is that you can skip most cutscenes!

[@MrHammers]

It's true, there wasn't many of them but you could breeze through if you wanted

[@JF-vz1ju]

I remember playing and replaying this game's demo on Xbox when I was a kid because the guns and environmental destruction were cool. Never ended up playing the full game tho.

[@killzoneisa]

I never played as i never heard of the sequel tell years later.

[@Laughing_Pumpkin]

Your videos are starting to feel more like Matt McMuscles and I'm all here for it

[@MrHammers]

Idk what that means, but I think it's a compliment so I'll take it 😀

[@Laughing_Pumpkin]

@MrHammers he's another KZbinr that does similar videos to you in his "what happened" series

[@MrHammers]

@Laughing_Pumpkin oh nice! Maybe I've seen his stuff on here before. Thank you for the compliment 🙏

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Not gay enough to be Matt McMuscles.

[@guyemu1211]

you can actualy move while aiming if you half pull the trigger. still not very intuative but it's there.

[@MrHammers]

Oh damn, actually had no idea. What kinda dumb mechanic is that lol

[@tyw6225]

I used to play this demo on repeat

[@tacticolty1552]

I played this game years ago and I thought it was an ok and fun game, it was nice blasting through the city causing mayhem.

[@salom902]

Miss opportunity from EA to no remaster these two games and the Army of Two Series.

[@willytjr1]

strangest thing Hammers, for whatever reason I’m enchanted by the fine aim in Black/Bodycount. Little less than 30 minutes before you posted I was looking into grabbing a copy AGAIN 😂

[@MrHammers]

Nice! It's not a bad game at all and if you're looking for a decent shooter it fits the bill

[@glucosaminecondroitan9135]

I bought this game because I had watched reviews on KZbin saying it was pretty bad. Knowing it wasn't great I still thought "how bad can it be?" and bought it used for super cheap.

[@MrHammers]

I would'nt say it's bad, functionally it works.. it's not just very good either. Just kinda bland

[@DR.cR33P]

Wait a minute did you just change the thumbnail? Because I swear I saw that case was OG xbox now I see a 360

[@chrisr024]

It's still og case

[@MrHammers]

It's doing A/B testing, so I upload 3 thumbnails and KZbin cycles through them to see which one is more popular

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Black should get credit for keeping the story to the bare minimum. Games are not movies and Hollywood scriptwriters should not come anywhere near them.

[@codigoceropokemmo]

Those sci-fi characters design, when it was shown the first time, I have to say that I thoughts W the heck they doin with my Blacky, but I dunno that design stuck in my memory for all this years, everything else in the game for me is generic af, but that art design hella nice I cant say nothing else about the game for me its average overall

[@Gruntvc]

I remember getting Bodycount at release on Xbox 360. Was it was good as Black? No. Do I think it's terrible? No. I've played through worse 7th gen FPS games like Rogue Warrior and Shellshock 2 Blood Trails.

[@MrHammers]

100%. It functions fine, it's more boring than it is bad

[@Gruntvc]

@MrHammers, You want a boring FPS? Play, Enemy Front. That was very boring and Stuart Black worked on it too. Early gameplay teasers for that game looked better than what we actually got.

[@MrHammers]

@Gruntvc haha I've never heard of that I'll have to check it out

[@jariusspear]

Hey wake up, MrHammers posted a new video.

[@Clown_Shingles]

Imagine Black 2 releasing now. I wonder if it would sell well

[@MrHammers]

Eh, probably not as a AAA release. Maybe a smaller project that released for $20/$30 but linear shooters have kinda fallen off from big budget productions

[@chris_player2995]

I always thought Bad Company 1 had BLACK vibes

[@MrHammers]

For sure it did, Bad company is the right way to expand on what Black brought to the table

[@dantauche7917]

Never heard of this game, it looks awesome!!!!

[@BadWallaby]

Oh Criteroen, where art thou?

[@pietrycranberry6621]

Weird,I never heard of this game until now.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I LOVE Black, it's one of my favorite FPS games ever along with Urban Chaos Riot Response. Honestly I would've rather just had a Port of the original to PS3 and 360 instead of sequel. I'd say I wish we could get a remaster or remake of Black but since it wouldn't be released for the PS4, plus the fact that I will never give Sony or PlayStation another dime on top of the disgusting current state of AAA gaming with the check box DEI pandering bullshit I don't want it made again, I'll just keep playing it on my PS2.

[@dustinspade2253]

""this game is about gunplay" BROTHER IT DOESNT EVEN USE IRON SIGHTS

[@MrHammers]

Lots of games with good gun fights don't, especially in this era. Black, the game it took inspiration from didn't have iron sights either

[@n0vi]

ADS has ruined FPS. Needs to stay in milsims.

[@MrHammers]

Nah disagree, I love ads in any fps game. If you don't want the player to add just make a third person shooter

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

​@@n0vi Lmao nah

[@joeycanha1332]

⁠@@MrHammersunfortunately ads made its way to 3rd person shooters too the over the shoulder era of 3rd person shooters is just awful

[@TheRageLivesOn]

i don't know why, but i played the absolute hell out of the demo for this game back in the day on the Xbox 360. i dont even know if i actually liked it because i never wanted the full game

[@dylhas1]

Body count was alright. Very disappointing but Black was incredible and still hold up better than any game from that era.

[@daikoophasianidae]

i found it, i tab digged and i found it, the good stuff

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

This game I always thought was more badass than any call of duty....this was constant epicness.....🤘

[@wiwysova]

If you purchase "in game currency" youre already being scammed and your deserve worse 6:30

[@TheMC1102]

This game looks more like a lamer version of Bulletstorm than a spiritual successor to Black.

[@drewgoin8849]

Yeah, it appears that this game abandoned the game elements that made "Black" a stripped down and realistic first-person shooter.

[@codigoceropokemmo]

Another difference even tho the music its not bad, is not Chris Tilton neither

[@matteodelapaz1698]

Also one big issue with the game that other videos talked about. The controls were AWFUL! You can aim and walk at the same time but you have to hold the trigger halfway there and it comes at the cost of additional spread. It doesn't help that reloading is delayed by 2 SECONDS!

[@mohamedrayanetobbal9334]

You should try cold winter it is fps shotoer exclusev for ps2

[@HVK1013]

Bodycount was fun, not good ❤

[@het2patel]

Please make a video on San Andreas it's my favorite game

[@MrHammers]

Very soon

[@Merlaut715]

It's too bad Codemasters' non-racing games didn't sell well. Operation Flashpoint's my favorite from them since there weren't many tactical shooters for 7th gen consoles. I like Bodycount, but I agree it's a mid game. I thought the Overlord games were decent. I like Dirt and Grid, but those aren't like my top racing games.

[@MrHammers]

I think when all you're projects flop financially after a while you lose the motivation to try new things and just stick with what sells. Unfortunate for them, but it's just smart business

[@bugoiclaudiu1233]

Nah man stop lying to these youngster gammers. Black was dope, body count was crack in a tuna casserole 😂

[@kyledodson2992]

Anyone know where to get this on PC ?

[@MrHammers]

Xenia 360 emulator is your best bet. There was a PC release but it's impossible to find and run great

[@jeremybamber5729]

Taking good ideas and making them into bad games is what Codemasters always did dude. Look at thier history. They sold the company to F1 for a reason

[@n0vi]

Lowered crosshair for no reason: wouldn't even play. It's bad enough that we had to tolerate it until only a few years ago in the Halo games after 2. Wouldn't put myself through that again.

[@wiwysova]

Has anyone seen the video series sequel? I loved BLACKED

[@princegroove]

I played this game on the PS3 and it absolutely blows. 😂

[@golevka]

black co-creator stuart black

[@Dragonfury3000]

The framerate in the ps3 version is really bad! I managed to finish it and enjoyed for what it was but i dont recommend this game unless you can fix the framerate.

[@MrHammers]

Oh wow, had no idea. The 360 version seemed okay to me

[@drastic209562]

Does the thumb down button still work? Why is it still there?

[@MrHammers]

it still works, just downvotes are private now lol

[@SemiEssessi]

well, well, well... interesting but i'd love to correct some of your misinformation here, and i always enjoy trying to vindicate the amazing people who worked on Bodycount! ... also maybe talk about the incredible unmitigated fuckups that lead to the final result.

[@DSFarinha]

I platinumed this game and it was not great at all.

[@MrHammers]

😂

[@DSFarinha]

@MrHammers I have played and platinumed alot of awful games in my day

[@anubisfox5765]

😂 what destructable environments? Even bf sucks in that regard these days. Weve got the finals but the weird ass game modes get old fast in that game. Id love it if they added domination and tdm. Otherwise destruction and gore just get forgotten about in fps games these days

[@djtoxicdhg]

I loved this game growing up

[@MrHammers]

Nice dude! You're a rare example of someone that actually played this lol

[@sjoerddondersteen1337]

nostalgia (for simpler times)

[@jacobstaten2366]

The environments are beautiful. It would be a lot better though if you would actually be able to aim down the sites. Black didn't do that either, but it would have changed things. These settings and the basic idea of the plot really invite an opportunity for rich characters. Not letting you pick up enemy weapons and being stuck with a particular weapon until you can get to a checkpoint is a weird idea.

[@MrHammers]

Not being able to pick up guns was really weird and off-putting, you're essentially stuck with your load out for an entire level, sometimes two.

[@richardfisher8460]

It was ok, but there was something terribly wrong with the gun play

[@FlyMontag]

Hell yeah, basically first🎉. Thanks for the videos, Mr. Hammer sir

[@MrHammers]

Appreciate ya my dude

[@lungmud931]

Stuart = Stew-ert

[@MrHammers]

2nd person to comment on how I pronounce it. Guess I've been offending Stuarts to their faces for decades

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Huh almost like the ;ead designer was the thr problem not EA... like if EA was the problem why did it fellow him and his most loyal teammates to his new studio and into bodycount they were soly resposble for? Also rember EA is greedy and that's it they never have had a habit of messing with devloment so bad te game fails... Then they would lose money and being once inide devs them sghalves and now one of the biggest media publishers... Why on earth would they do anything that would cost them money like making fans angry or failing a AAA game? LIke they are not Take 2 which is that kind of evil recently at least and back then actuivsion.... Also EA has always learned from it's mistakes and is willing to fix a bad launch likeBattlefeild 4 which was the worst liuanch I ever was apart of and I seen a few first hand... But EA mosytly fixed tghe game and now it's a gfan favoite battlefield... Also they even wanted to do tghe same with anthum but gave up because of all the hate they got so they let it die... Like if you call EA evil then the vast majority of publisher and devs are evil at all levels of the As... As EA is pretty normal and always was...

[@tylercouture216]

Never played for good reason

[@swempytimes]

10:38 incel points? 🤣

[@LordmonkeyTRM]

Storeought Black It's pronounced Stew art

[@Ghostface6]

Love your videos man. Still hoping the fnv vid comes out.

[@MrHammers]

Just got back from fallout day irl in Goodsprings, Nevada. I am cooking!

[@SteigerHSV]

i play both... i dont like Black and Bodycount

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Black was fun but even on the hardest mode was way too easy and repetitive. It looked great for PS2 though, and some reviewers even said they gave it a higher score because of that.

[@hiwasded3483]

yay

[@MrHammers]

Man

[@leaf4k533]

HE’S BAAAAAAACK