Where does FSU belong in realignment? The Big Ten or SEC?

A recent debate led us to ask, "Where does FSU belong in conference realignment?" Is it the Big Ten or the SEC? We dive into each conference and why it could work for FSU, what we WANT as fans, and what we think is BEST for FSU. We asked the fans and got almost 2,000 replies! Get their answer and more in this episode! Drop which conference you want FSU to join in the comments! Thanks and Go Noles!
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[@mistercrockett]

I’m a FSU fan living in Columbus, Ohio and I’ve been to games In Tallahassee . In comparison the atmosphere is crazier inside Ohio stadium compared to Doak Campbell, Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan are the largest 3 stadiums in college football and you can feel it while you’re there. It’s electric in those stadiums. The big ten fans travel well, they’re wealthy fans.

[@plantthespear]

Very good point, and it's nice to hear from the perspective of someone who has been to both. My only issue with the B1G is that I'd love to play the teams you named. It's the middle to bottom half that doesn't seem very appealing. The SEC had 4 teams average 100k+ last year, and only two teams average under 60k attendance. The B1G had 3 at 100k+ and 8 at under 60k. So, you get the same level of top-tier in the SEC but a better middle to lower tier. However, getting teams like Mich, OSU, PSU, USC, Washington, and Oregon at Doak would almost guarantee a sellout, which would be great! Either way, you know who doesn't have ANY 100k seat stadiums and 11 teams that averaged under 60k...the ACC! 😅🤦‍♂️ We just gotta go somewhere! Appreciate you tuning in! Go Noles!!

[@awries]

@@plantthespear So, you're concerned about the atmosphere of mid-tier teams like Jump Around at Camp Randall, Kinnick at night, Nebraska "sellout" streak, whatever Michigan State's deal is? Enthusiasm outside of Rutgers, Northwestern and maybe Indiana won't be a problem. Gophers seem cute from a distance but a bit of exposure to "Ski-U-Mah" and "Row the Boat" non-sense and you'll reach Bill Murray in Caddyshack level hate. Purdue Pete is nightmare fuel. Those dead eyes...

[@grahamhallman243]

@@plantthespearDon’t underestimate Wisconsin, MSU and Neb: all seat at least 70k and can upset FSU, or any top tier BIG team in a given year if they have home field.

[@joeydaglio7655]

So right. White Out games are insane been to 4 of them. I'd love to see Florida St to join..

[@josephcernansky1794]

I can't speak for The Upper Midwest Conference fans but there are over 35,000 Penn State alumni in the State of Florida...that is MORE than the entire Upper Midwest Conference footprint! Penn State ALWAYS should have been in the ACC with FSU....SO NOW....FSU can be in the conference with Penn State!! Penn Staters WON'T have to travel far to fill up Doak-Campbell Stadium. Or anywhere else along the entire Eastern Seaboard.....the entire ACC footprint is full of Penn State alumni. Better away games in ACC country then in the Upper Midwest!

[@metallica1fan1]

FSU joining the SEC would be full of tradition and rivalries, because FSU is no stranger to many SEC teams. FSU has faced off against Florida in '96, Tennessee in '98, and against Auburn in 2013 in the National Championships. Not to mention the recent LSU/FSU games, FSU is more like an SEC schools than a B1G school.

[@webmoore4353]

Bring those iconic uniforms and rich history to the first athletic conference - the Big Ten!

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

Tallahassee is funding major projects to upgrade its airport, fly to B1G will be cheaper with increased airport traffic. Billions of $ in research revenues from the B1G will do a lot more for Tallahassee’s economy than weekend sports. Want to in boost the local economy? Bring in more high paying jobs and affordable and housing. It really isn’t that difficult to figure out. FSU should keep UF and U of Miami on its schedule.

[@michaelhart6318]

FSU doesn't have the academics or research capabilities necessary to join the BIG 10.

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

Let’s not pick another conference based off academics, that’s what got us stuck in the ACC , pick a conference based off athletics and FSU can still be a AAU member

[@ATLNole]

If the B1G goes to a 10-game conference schedule (which it has been reported is their plan) and then you add UF and Miami, that’s your entire season played against all P4 opponents. No way we keep our instate rivalries intact. Maybe an occasional off year but our season ending game will be against Rutgers or something as unimaginable as that. #SEC4Me

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

@@Almighty5-ww1kl It is not just AAU, FSU wants the research dollars and athletics cannot compare to billions of $ in research. The money generated from Weekend games pale in comparison to the money generated through revenue generated from NSF and NIH funding. That will be much more impactful to the Tallahassee economy. FSU did not hire a president based on SEC games, the goal is the increase academic standards with B1G research collaboration and AAU. Football is seasonal while STEM jobs are much more permanent.

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

@@ATLNole Miami will be invited into the B1G and will remain FSU’s permanent rivalry game. FOX knows the tv money generated with FSU vs Miami. UF will remain an out of conference game. B1G vs SEC instead of ACC vs SEC.

[@kingspleen2152]

The B1G is better for the University as a whole. The B1G Academic Alliance allows for additional BILLIONS for research and funding of projects. The travel argument is also fleeting cus FSU already has fans in the B1G footprint. Travel would be significantly easier for the entire fan base, except for some of fans in the south. A lot of the games would be a bowl game type atmosphere. Playing in far more major markets from DC/Chicago, LA would totally change the feel of the program. Also, FL has tons of B1G fans/alum. This is where they move for work and or retirement.

[@odinson810]

I think florida st. would be more appreciated in the big ten.

[@stewartbrew9635]

SEC would be easier logistically. Would rather tell the SEC to shove it and rack up the frequent flyer miles.

[@jamesb0255]

Riiiiight.... I would put money on the possibility that you usually don't go to away games anyway. Almost every FSU fan that tells me that face-to-face my first question is what was your last away game and they say Oh I usually don't go to away games.

[@jamesb0255]

If you do your homework and go to other FSU media channels and look at the polls they conducted on the choice between the Big ten and the SEC, before the snub, all of them were overwhelmingly for the SEC. I mean the Big ten, fan-wise was blown out in all these polls. All those fans that have flipped to supporting the Big 10 are doing so out of pure emotion. As a 42 year fan and a platinum Chief, a member of TBE, I can honestly report to you that the people who actually provide financial support to our athletic program would much rather go into the SEC. In addition I have been conducting my own little informal poll and have probably asked around 35 of my SEC friends and all but two said they would love to have Florida State in the SEC. Some of them because they believe as I do we should have been in since 1991 or They think they can beat up on us prove we don't belong... Which is fine with me I welcome that fight! I really appreciated the information on the distance. By the way guys the Grove at Ole Miss is an amazing experience! Just too much damn fun! Baton rouge is awesome as well. FSU fans need to get out of their feelings and think about this logically. And don't bring up the fact that we get more money in the Big ten. Soon it will just be the two conferences and the money will even out. Besides I believe it's only a million or two more which is a drop in the bucket when we're talking about huge TV revenues.

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@jamesb0255 MOST fans DON'T go to away games if they are always used to being so close to their home stadium. BUT....the numbers of B1G alums in Florida and California already makes it EASY for them to finally get to an "away" game to see their alma mater play...whether that is Southern California or Florida. The FACT is that there are MORE Penn State fans living in any of the states in the ACC footprint than the ENTIRE footprint of the Big 10 (Upper Midwest Conference. ANY ACC school that joins the B1G Conference will make it easier for Penn Staters to go to "away" games. The ACC schools that do join The B1G will ALL have to expand their stadiums. Except maybe Miami...they'll finally experience a full stadium! Albeat with visitors cheering against them. Seriously....THIS is something that any of these Basketball centric schools will have to deal with. Including FSU and Clemson....the demand for tickets from those B1G alums that live there will fill those stadiums!

[@joe_zeay]

People that complain about the travel, don't even travel to Doak for all their home games

[@danhalstead705]

Great video guys, good to hear your feedback. Respectfully though, y'all are showing you know more about the SEC experience than the B1G one. A few counterpoints... 1. Big Ten fans will travel to you, don't worry about that. They're passionate, they have money, they fill those southern bowl games every year, and they're always looking for more reasons to go to Florida. Whether you want to come up once or twice a year to experience midwest football on a perfect fall afternoon with the crisp air and the leaves changing, that's up to you. 2. I'd stack the tailgate and college-town atmospheres of B1G against anyone. 3. Is sometimes facing Arkansas, Kentucky, Missouri, or Mississippi State really so different than sometimes facing Purdue, Minnesota, Maryland or Illinois? I don't see it. 4. As you noted, you won't be coming alone. I imagine the B1G will also be bringing in at least 2 of Miami, Clemson, UNC, or Georgia Tech. And eventually ND. And I wouldn't rule out Texas A&M either... 5. As the B1G becomes more national, it means other things will be changing too: big games will be all day long, not just at noon. (They already are really.) We have PST viewers we need to think about now, and there's just too many good games. 6. And divisions will eventually come back too, so that more of your travel is shorter. Imagine being in a division with Miami, UNC, Penn State, Maryland, and... yes, Rutgers. You'd be battling Miami & PSU every year for the division title, and your average distance for the games that matter most drops to 750 miles. And IMHO, FSU has always felt the most Big Tennish to me of all the teams down south. Our fanbases are far better than the ACC, but we're not some snobby clubhouse either. And bottom line: The fans would love to have you, and once you're in, the conference supports you 100%.

[@josephcernansky1794]

Added Note....tens of thousands of B1G alums already live in Florida, Atlanta and the Carolinas, DMV. It is very easy for B1G fans to keep those Invitee stadiums full! Minimal travel to former ACC, soon-to-be B1G venues. As for FSU fans coming north? Sorry. But I do see loads of FSU bumper stickers and plates around NoVA/DC. And the crazy thing is lots of VA tech fans make the drive to Happy Valley for games...even though we have never played each other! Happy Valley is just one of those CFB "mecca" locations and close enough to DMV to drive. Just as Penn Staters drive to the OBX.

[@josephcernansky1794]

Correction to #6. An East Coast Division in The B1G would mean a battle between FSU and Penn State....keep Miami out of that discussion.....it's a "city" school....just like Pitt is. And they haven't been a "force" since 48-14!!! (

[@webmoore4353]

Well stated

[@brothermouzone1307]

An hour program?😂😂😂 B10! (D)uck ESPN (D)uck SEC Vision of OSU, Big Blue and PSU money in November dances in my head in Tallahassee.😂

[@webmoore4353]

FSU fans - who would you ideally want to bring with you to the B1G? We welcome you and a friend!

[@GIRTHYANDITCURVES]

I’m praying for the SEC but these damn monopolists are gonna have their way with the ncaa and sports media rights, including fsu.

[@fsujl11]

playing in the b10 would really make us a coast to coast brand even more

[@eventhorizon9512]

You guys are talking about driving? LOL. Who drives to the games? Also, I’m an Ohio State fan and I would love to see Florida State in the Big Ten. I live in South Florida now, I don’t go to home games let alone away games, I just want to see big games on TV.

[@plantthespear]

Have you seen all the parts falling off planes these days?? 😅 jk But, I still drive to most games. It might be old school, but I'm sure a lot of people do. 🤷 I would be perfectly fine joining the B1G. I think it's a great conference and would give FSU national exposure. Plus, I like Fox as a network partner vs. ESPN. I still think the SEC is a better play for sports, but the B1G is a better move overall. It just means we'd be watching more away games on TV, which is perfectly fine. Probably better than dealing with SEC fans anyway! 😅

[@unc0mm0n2]

​@@plantthespear😂😂😂😂😂 great joke about the planes.

[@mikejohnson9586]

I live near Tallahassee FSU Country, so I don't know where your stats are coming from. SEC is the talk of the town.

[@plantthespear]

I also said the SEC was what I thought people wanted on another show, and it sparked a debate in the comments. So, we decided to do a poll on our X and in our Facebook group, and that's where we got the stats from. With a total of 2,051 votes, 68% chose the Big Ten over the SEC. Fwiw, the overwhelming majority of outlets I've seen talk about it have leaned FSU going to the B1G, too. Honestly, I like both, and either is better than the ACC. Personally, I prefer the SEC because of sports, but I certainly understand the argument for both sides.

[@Thachadnwf]

B1G RESEARCH MONEY

[@metallica1fan1]

Florida State fans: "It makes sense for us to go to the SEC, and that's why we should go to the B1G."

[@metallica1fan1]

FSU: "With SEC/B1G money, we could buy more beakers, microscopes, and Big Top Circus tents... Oh yeah, and football stuff too I guess."

[@hectorestrada3764]

I would rather be called scared when we whip SEC behind on the regular. FSU can keep the recruiting we get out of this part of the country, I don’t want to put a single penny in ESPN’s pocket and we can beat anyone from any conference and not feed ESPN.

[@plantthespear]

I can definitely agree with that. The only thing is that with ESPN owning the playoffs, it's almost unavoidable. But in the B1G, we would definitely have less involvement with them.

[@hectorestrada3764]

@@plantthespear ESPN would love for FSU to have a short memory and for our hearts to pump shit by groveling to be part of the SEC. ESPN and the SEC can eat a Shlong and I want to be sure that we are as irritable as herpes to ESPN. If we join the SEC we give in and might as well chant SEC like good little punks. I will never do it and any chance we can to offend the SEC and ESPN, we should take it, if only once per game then be social and civil. Show them that we are independent, we remember but can be civil. Like the slap on the back during a welcoming hug that hurts then be civil

[@None-dj8iy]

😂😂😂😂come on and play is on the B1G BABY😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!

[@josephcernansky1794]

I never thought about FSU to The B1G from the angle of starving ESPiN of inventory for cash? FSU would get a full share from Fox and Friends.....E$PiN WON't give FSU anything close to that!! If they were going to....they would have already done it to quiet all this rancor down. MAYBE E$PiN wants to find a "publicly convenient" EXCUSE to NOT continue paying the ACC? Afterall....it is EXTREMELY BAD for companies to admit bad financials on the stock market. Which is, 20% to 30% HYPED value of a stock. If E$PiN just dropped the ACC deal without any "face-saving" EXCUSE....their stock and Disney would tank even lower than it has.

[@geoffhill1197]

The Big Ten pays out more money is one reason I hate the SEC and I hate ESPN and I'm not being part of that SEC cult where you're chanting sec the Big Ten I think treat FSU better than the SEC will be the only school in Florida in the Big Ten and I just love to go to the big house have the white out with Penn State all that sounds good to me

[@plantthespear]

I definitely agree with you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the B1G, and I think that is where we end up when it's all said and done. Games against teams like Michigan, OSU, PSU, and USC, as you said, would be awesome! I just think there are positives and negatives to both conferences, and the SEC would be a fun conference to be in for sports. Either way, we just need out of the ACC! Appreciate you tuning in!! Go Noles!!

[@ssippilandelta4365]

geo you on the outside looking in the SEC is a fun and wild league, far the chants if FSU were to join, it will all make sense.

[@jamesrawson241]

I think it would be pretty shortsighted/naïve to think that it is likely for the Big Ten to continue long-term, bringing more money than the SEC. I think it’s clear that the big 10 has been more savvy with their deals and negotiations. But I don’t see that lasting beyond another contract cycle or two. I don’t think the aministration really expects that to be long-term plus. I honestly would expect the SEC to surpass the Big Ten in future revenues. The way that I see it is the way that Bobby Bowden saw it and I think that’s the way that the ministration sees it too. Anybody can get up for a couple super tough games a year, as your first priority is to be more motivated than the other team, but Florida State and Clemson, for that matter, both built their reputations in the ACC. That wasn’t an accident, Bobby Bowden knew this, and so does the FSU administration. If FSU and Clemson end up in the Big Ten, this will be the reason. I guess you can call all that my opinion. But, I’m certainly convinced of it. I’ll Never forget Bobby’s melt down about having to play Florida in the NC game after having beaten them in the regular season. We soon found out why, as he got curb stomped when it was for all the marbles.

[@jamesrawson241]

All that said, this is why I think the administration will choose the big 10. I honestly think it’s better for Florida State because they will actually gain even more advantage with the new playoff structure. They will be seeded higher in the big 10. They will have an advantage over SEC schools that they play because of it. There is no question in my mind at least that they will win more championships if they join the big 10. This is worth a few million if not tens of millions of dollars that I think they are likely lose going to the Big Ten in the long run.

[@troywest7045]

You shouldn't expect anything more than a half share till 2030 if you goto the B1G.

[@unc0mm0n2]

B1g noon kickoff last game had 19 million viewers. I guess somebody was awake.

[@plantthespear]

Have you ever been to a noon game at Doak? It's hot as hell, less time to tailgate, and the student section usually doesn't fill up until after kickoff. We never said that people don't watch noon games. We said noon for big games is a terrible time slot. I guess I should have clarified that meant actually being at the game. Noon game environments don't come close to night games.

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@plantthespear AGREED....THE WHITE OUT is ALWAYS a NIGHT GAME....and WE...DECIDE who the opponent is...NOT some TV network programming executive!! FSU as the 2024 White Out victim....I mean opponent! LOL PS : The weather in Happy Valley in September/early October is awesome! Even Noon kickoffs are great! Tailgates start at 6AM and go all night after the game. Sometimes, the Noon games are more tailgate fun than night games which don't end past 11. After a long day of tailgating and screaming for hours, people are beat, unless it's knocking off anOSU! THEN adrenaline kicks in till sunrise on Sunday morning!!

[@webmoore4353]

FSU to B1G would be right up bobby bowden way of barnstorming the US. Would be awesome. And teams travel game day at Indiana University is amazing and they always suck. Illinois had one of the early largest stadiums and they pack it. B1G has great atmospheres even if not all teams live up to it. You will love it.

[@55MLF]

FSU doesn't need the B1G for applicant exposure. They have 80K apps now. Literally top 10 in the NATION. Non issue.

[@josephcernansky1794]

THAT is WHY they sponsor a football team.....and WHY they will NOW be looking to enhance OTHER aspects of their university, besides football. The Admin of FSU just wants more money for what they think they are worth so they can keep up with that WINDOW DRESSING...called...a football team! IT'S the OTHER things that goes with being a "premier" university that the FSU Admins are working on....and THAT becomes a lot easier in The B1G Conference. AKA....The AAU Conference. It's the SAME IDIOM of WHY Notre Dame WON'T JOIN the Big 10. THEY ALREADY have their local fanbase to fill their stadium.....AND what they will be needing is a "conference" that they can have an easier path to the Playoff. Once FSU and Clemson leave the ACC...watch Notre Dame Football officially join the ACC to gain an EASIER path to a First Round Bye and Home Field Advantage!!

[@NOLES-wm3ly]

What could be better than takin down the SEC as a BIG10 member in the new playoffs😉

[@plantthespear]

The best of both worlds!!

[@chrisanderson2957]

A lot of big fans live in Florida. Also mid tier big schools should be able to hire better coaches and improve facilities once the tv money (evenly distributed) starts rolling in. A school like Purdue actually sells out when they a winning team. When Tiller was coach they played top tier and drew good crowds. Braun brought them back to respectable. Jury still out on new coach. Also i think big will invite FSU because Fsu is on cust to get academic/ researy

[@None-dj8iy]

Come on over to the B1G so we can have a great rivalry! Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!

[@plantthespear]

Michigan vs. FSU at the Big House would be high on my list of B1G games to go to!!

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@plantthespear It will be The Penn State / Florida State, East Coast Rivalry. A "Protected" Annual Rivalry.

[@jamesb0255]

If you do your homework and go to other FSU media channels and look at the polls they conducted on the choice between the Big ten and the SEC, before the snub, all of them were overwhelmingly for the SEC. I mean the Big ten, fan-wise was blown out in all these polls. All those fans that have flipped to supporting the Big 10 are doing so out of pure emotion. As a 42 year fan and a platinum Chief, a member of TBE, I can honestly report to you that the people I have spoke with, who actually provide financial support to our athletic program would much rather go into the SEC. In addition I have been conducting my own little informal poll and have probably asked around 35 of my SEC friends and all but two said they would love to have Florida State in the SEC. Some of them because they believe as I do we should have been in since 1991 or They think they can beat up on us prove we don't belong... Which is fine with me I welcome that fight! I really appreciated the information on the distance. By the way guys the Grove at Ole Miss is an amazing experience! Just too much damn fun! Baton rouge is awesome as well. FSU fans need to get out of their feelings and think about this logically. And don't bring up the fact that we get more money in the Big ten. Soon it will just be the two conferences and the money will even out. Besides I believe it's only a million or two more which is a drop in the bucket when we're talking about huge TV revenues. Also guys I hate to tell you but our attendance numbers are grossly exaggerated. We never and I mean never reach full capacity. Just because it is announced and then recorded because of that announcement that it's sold out means the tickets may be sold out but there's still thousands of empty seats. All you have to do is look around at any home game. First time listening to you guys great job!

[@plantthespear]

Appreciate you tuning in and for the comment! It's funny you mentioned that about the polls because when we did some follow-up on this topic in the episode after this one, I said the same exact thing. I guarantee if I had run this poll before the snub that it would have been overwhelmingly SEC, and it has always been that way. As much as people don't want to accept it, the SEC didn't leave FSU out of the playoffs. I get people who don't like ESPN, but playing college football and not dealing with them is almost impossible. I also totally understand people's argument for the B1G and dont think it's a bad conference to be in, but as you said, I think it's rooted in emotions about what happened in December. Now, all of a sudden, everyone only cares about AAU and academics, which I don't remember being used nearly as often before. lol The SEC is just a better natural fit and where we should have been from the beginning. The research money is great, but it doesn't mean you'll be great at sports and not being AAU doesn't mean the university will be poor when those conferences are projected to pay upwards of 100M in TV money per school, per year in the near future. Either one is better than staying in the ACC, but I would choose the SEC, too. I think most other SEC fans, who can be a joy to deal with 😅, may give us crap until we prove we can win in the conference, but most also want to see us in there. As for the attendance numbers, the actual numbers would probably be hard to find with the way schools report it (which you mentioned). I used D1 Ticker, and they have Miami with an avg crowd of 49k, which we know isn't true! Maybe like 4 or 9 thousand, but not 49 😅 It at least gives a ballpark idea of the size. Thanks again for tuning in! We're still new and growing, and I'm glad to hear you found us. Go Noles!!

[@josephcernansky1794]

You ONLY speak as a sports booster.....NOT as a University President. There is a HUGE difference as to what a university is for versus......that football team you spend your money on? IT'S ONLY WINDOW DRESSING!!! The REAL MONEY is made in the Back Room!! You should just buy box seats for your nearest NFL team if your interest ONLY lies with the FSU "football team"!!! I KNOW for a fact that FSU admins have MORE to consider than some booster with a few bucks. When you start dropping tens of millions on them and building labs, and sponsoring scholarships and endowing Chairs and Assistantships and endowing research grants......THEN your opinion will matter to them.....until then....enjoy your couch and get a B1Gger TV.

[@josephcernansky1794]

IN addition...IF...or should it be said WHEN the FSU Administration asks the B1G for an invite...or any other ACC school for that matter....they will have to EXPAND their STADIUMS!! FSU will HAVE TO EXPAND to at least 100k if that is possible....AND..... ALL the SEATS will be FILLED!!! There simply are too many tens of thousands of B1G alums in Florida that would love to attend "Away Games" within driving distance to where they live. Over 35,000 Penn State alums alone in Florida. That is MORE than the entire Big 10 footprint of the Upper Midwest! Trust me...they will flood Doak-Campbell with White! The ENTHUSIASM FACTOR for the next 10 years at least will be mind-blowing!!

[@tonyking1437]

The Big ten has more to offer us as far as AAU members in building hospital in study science aspects in economy broke studying

[@teeoff406]

Some of the SEC schools “states” don’t have the professional sports that most of the BT schools “states” have and the dollars must be shared when it comes to home town teams.

[@josephcernansky1794]

NOPE! WRONG!....check the revenue financials of those schools. The No Fun League takes NOTHING away from CFB in those states/cities with No-Fun-League teams.

[@teeoff406]

@@josephcernansky1794 I said professional sports, because where I grew up hockey was big in my home state and the Timberwolves start at the end of October obviously, sorry for the way I wrote that comment. Have a great night.

[@kevinhemer4218]

I'm not sure these guys understand the Big Ten TV deal structure for the next 5 years. They have 3 different nationally televised network TV games EVERY Saturday going forward. Fox at Noon; CBS at 3:30; NBC for the night game (likely an @USC/Oregon/Washington/UCLA game).

[@saenole66]

Another stellar podcast with balanced argument for both Big 10 and SEC. I can see positives for both landing spots. Either will be worlds better for FSU. You both make great commentators and i greatly enjoy your content.

[@plantthespear]

100% agree that either would be a great option and better than the ACC! Thank you for tuning in and for the kind words! 🤝

[@SurferRC]

Better refs either spot too!

[@joe_zeay]

Screw Espn and Sec. They think they are better than you. Finebaum already told Fsu fans if join Sec, to shut up and quit complaining and prepare to be the Gators' Little Brother branded forever

[@ATLNole]

As a fan, the SEC makes the most sense but it also makes more sense for the non-football student athletes. Men’s tennis, women’s beach volleyball having to travel to Seattle or Eugene or even Minneapolis. A true burden on the athletes. I say drop the hate and embrace the advantages of the SEC

[@plantthespear]

That's a huge point to consider as well. I almost wish that if we joined the B1G for football, we could keep all the other sports in the ACC, but joining the SEC would solve both. I like the B1G, but it would be tough for the other sports and families of the athletes to travel to.

[@lukecalhoun6569]

Tailgating gets crazy in the Big. I dont know why you think it's not as good as the SEC.

[@dlksjax]

Totally ignores the history between FSU and the SEC, not to mention FSU and ESPN.

[@plantthespear]

It's not that we ignore it, but if the SEC was the only option, would you turn it down? I'd hope not. Besides, what was the SEC supposed to do, give up their playoff spot because it wasn't fair to FSU? lol They didn't screw FSU, ESPN, and the committee did. ESPN owns the sole rights to playoffs now. We aren't going to skip those because of it either. We never said we liked either one. In fact, we said we didn't like either. We just aren't basing our decision on emotions. I'd like FSU to end up in the B1G, but the SEC is still far better than the ACC.

[@metallica1fan1]

B1G: "Come to the B1G, we have nooners." FSU: "Wow... Really?" (Realization) FSU: "Oh."

[@Gh0stRider]

Picking baseball as being representative of “Olympic Sports” is really cherry picking. Wrestling, hockey, lacrosse, etc. should also be considered. Also, Purdue is in the Final Four, and Illinois has been to two Final Fours since 1989, and WI has been to the finals.

[@unc0mm0n2]

Of course, because the commentators aren't giving the B1G any credence. No one would say the SEC has better Olympic sports than the B1G. Sec sponsors very few sports.

[@B1GNole]

B1G all day please!

[@stewartwallace5741]

Big10

[@Mr.rogers1969]

Fit is perfect for SOCO.

[@michaelmorse5818]

But if I try this like the redheaded stepchild and don’t do it right because I haven’t done a ride in the past, then all the recruiting part goes out the window you know it just makes everything more difficult makes you harder to keep players makes it harder to keep coachesit’s a lot to think about

[@plantthespear]

There's definitely positives and negatives to each conference. I think from a fans perspective that lives in the Southeast, the SEC would be great. As for what's best for the university, I'd say that's the B1G and most likely where we end up when it's all said and done. We just can't stay in the ACC any longer than we have to. Appreciate you tuning in! Go Noles!!

[@rogerhayes4055]

Big 10

[@unc0mm0n2]

B1G, easy. You have no idea how many B1G fans live in Florida. They have the biggest most successful universities and successful alums everywhere. Also, the B1G isn't in poduck southern towns. Just hop on a plabe to columbus, detroit, new york LA, Seattle etc

[@BrandonCampbell-vu5wn]

Go nolessss

[@plantthespear]

Go Noles!!

[@unc0mm0n2]

Mississippi st. Has a great gameday 😂😂😂😂😂

[@plantthespear]

They don't call it Stark-Vegas for nothing...🤷‍♂️

[@desertrat1111]

No question for FSU ..SEC. On the other hand, Miami and North Carolina might be a good B1G fit.

[@josephcernansky1794]

No to Miami

[@lukecalhoun6569]

Didn't see the SEC win this past year! SEC dominance is over now that NIL and the transfer portal are here. That's why Saban left. You can't keep your players for more than a year if they dont start because other schools are recruiting your own players. So in essence, you have to recruit your players and recruits every year. I dont blame him for saying screw this. The whole system is out of control now.

[@metallica1fan1]

Nick Saban left because he's 72 years old.

[@Scalper10001]

I think you guys mentioned in an earlier video that espn’s viewership is in decline for non-game programming. If Disney decides to offload espn, that’s a big problem for the SEC. Seems safer to go to the Big10 and Fox.

[@plantthespear]

I agree with that. The B1G has a better TV partner in Fox. They are acquiring talent while ESPN laid half of theirs off. At the same time, the SEC has a massive draw, so I find it hard to see them getting left out in the cold. Now, the ACC is another story. It wouldn't surprise me if ESPN decided not to pick up the 2027 extension and dump the money into their primary brand. I think either is safer than the ACC, but the B1G does feel more stable with respect to TV contracts and revenue.

[@edl7454]

There is a lot to that. ESPN is gambling, sometimes gambles do not pay off.

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@plantthespearthese tv networks post their revenue yearly. Neither ESPN nor Fox has anything to worry about. ESPN laid off just under 400 people. Hardly half. Dramatic much? They had just lost their B1G games, Pac12 games and here’s a little secret that really isn’t a secret, Fox, CBS and NBC had layoffs last year as well. Oops. Most major corporations do restructuring from time to time to be more efficient. Layoffs come with the territory. Who was the only network with the money to bid on the new CFP contract starting in 2026? Yeah exactly. I do understand the angst against ESPN by FSU fans but it doesn’t change factual information that is easily accessible to all.

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@plantthespear I have now come to the idea that E$PiN MAY BE setting this up to make it PUBLICALLY discussed Non-profitable Venture as an EXCUSE for WHY they want to drop the ACC contract. To not make it look like they are in financial trouble to scare their stockholders, or the stock prices may drop big time for them and parent, Disney!

[@850Noles4Life]

B1G

[@unc0mm0n2]

Champaign is 10x better than Starkville or Columbia.

[@mainoshaw11]

Nebraska, yes Nebraska will bring more fan to your stadium then you do. Buckeye, ichigan, penn st will do the same if your fans don't show up. I don't think yall ready for this big ten life.

[@mikemclendon4962]

Wanted SEC for many years . Hate Emmy award thieves ESPN , and play off game slot crooks of the SEC. Now the SEC is not the center of the universe. Hope for games with SEC programs to win .

[@user-po1ql5fo6s]

They are going to the 10 ten amen 2:32 2:34

[@larrychannell7056]

The SEC and ESPN both screwed Florida State. Come to the Big Ten. Florida State is one of the schools that have the most respect in Big Ten Nation. Once you are in the the Big Ten they never foce you out. Hell Illinois Chicago is still part of the academic consortium.

[@joshuanazworth-vy5mt]

Here's the thing I was already told this is the rumor that Florida State and Clemson at the end of the 2025 and 24 School season they would join the Big ten conference after that so that's what I'm trying to say is that they're going to join the Big ten and I heard your guy's Big ten conference is a lot more better than the ACC conference and if that's true licious face the fact is that is true that Florida state is going to join the Big ten there's a lot of rumors that there's going to be a Big ten conference for Florida State and here's why the Florida state prison is already in Chicago and you know Chicago is close to near almost Tallahassee and they're talking about joining the Big ten conference at the end of the 2024 and 25 School season if they go to the Big 10 conference great I would love to see my Florida State go to the Big ten let me get one more thing out there ESPN live so not ESPN probation for 10 years they're not allowed to be on TV for the next 10 years so now Fox will be taken over now of the college football playoff conference .? Plant the spear

[@shanetucker1030]

Big Ten Big Ten Big Ten

[@webmoore4353]

Wrestling, volleyball, hockey better at B1G. Basketball a draw. Olympic sports best at defunct Pac and crumbling ACC but that is changing, especially with UCLA and USC going Big Ten. B1G supports WAY more sports than SEC. I think you have SEC better at football but modern era here will change that. And definitely better at baseball. Otherwise, B1G is stronger.

[@LoCoVANole]

B1G all the way. Don’t want to go anywhere near ESPN and its backwoods trailer park conference.

[@chipnole]

We beat the ACC for years and they still treated us like garbage! Maybe you should change the podcast name to Stick the SEC

[@StevenClark-ss4fq]

You cherry picked olympic sports the B1G is head and shoulders above the SEC in Olympic sports when you consider all Olympic sports.

[@SurferRC]

B10 all day

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

Big 10 got a boat load of money and dnt win on the field ,

[@unc0mm0n2]

They literally won the natty last year and have a team in cbb title game. What are you smoking?

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@unc0mm0n2 They smoke oregano in the South...thinking its marijuana. Don't tell them though....it will hurt their feelings.

[@collinmarlow9094]

This assumes BIG invites. FSU is still non AAU, and BIG has said numerous times they will not invite non AAU schools. I also think FSU would do better in the SEC, it’s proper completion and the conference of champions.

[@plantthespear]

It's been reported that the Big Ten does not require AAU status to be considered for the conference. (Per Brett McMurphy and the Action Network) However, you do have to have good academics. Nebraska has not been an AAU memeber since I believe 2011, and FSU is pursuing membership. They also rank ahead of 6 B1G schools in academics per the 2024 US News rankings. I say all that to say, I think FSU could certainly be extended an invite to the B1G. At the same time, I like the SEC, too. It's a better fit for regionality and sports. There are positives and negatives to both, but either option is better than staying in the ACC!

[@unc0mm0n2]

This is a lie. ND had a standing invite.

[@josephcernansky1794]

The Big 10 has NEVER said they will not invite non-AAU schools....just as they have NEVER said they will only invite AAU members.

[@andyg5046]

The question they should be asking is does the SEC or Big Ten want/need Florida State. There is a lot of arrogance by FSU thinking they will just get to choose between the two. I can almost guarantee the Big Ten isn't all that interested because FSU isn't an AAU University. Every Big Ten school and every expansion has been with an AAU University. I also know there are multiple charter schools in the SEC who don't want FSU because of recruiting wars. So it is not a given that either conference is chomping at the bit to bring in the Noles. Same goes with Clemson.

[@plantthespear]

Nebraska is not an AAU memeber. They lost theirs in 2011, I believe. There have been reports that AAU membership was not a hard requirement, but they value academics. FSU is ranked above 6 B1G schools in the US News 2024 rankings. They are also pursuing AAU. FSU was one of the top 10 most viewed teams in college football last year, and that was playing mostly ACC teams. They averaged 4.16M last season but over 8M against SEC teams in 2022 and 2023. They would have been 3rd in viewership in the B1G last year and 5th in the SEC, and again, that's using numbers from primarily ACC games. FSU is in a state with a massive TV market that Fox doesn't have, and ESPN probably doesn't want them in. While nothing is guaranteed, I don't see those two turning down the opportunity to add FSU.

[@andyg5046]

@@plantthespear As a Big Ten fan, I would love to Florida State in the Big Ten. Nebraska lost their AAU membership after they were accepted by the Big Ten. It definitely matters in who they add. USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington are all AAU. From rumblings up here....the Big Ten seems more interested in North Carolina and Virginia....Notre Dame too. There hasn't been any talk of Florida State or Clemson. The only people I see bring up Big Ten interest in FSU or Clemson are those who are associated with those schools or from the area.

[@JamesSterling]

The days of academics determining membership in an athletic conference is coming to an end with the massive TV revenue that will only increase in the future. Face it, the TV networks will control which teams are added based on the number of viewers ($) they bring. Fox, CBS, and NBC will not be sitting together in a conference room looking at a chart comparing research dollars between schools to determine who they want. They will look at TV ratings.

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@andyg5046 That's just because you've lived your entire life in the Horizontal Universe where gravity is so great it flattened everything!! Including the heads of the people that live there! FSU et al would most certainly be welcomed. Far more than anything from the Leftist Coast. Including USC!! Here's a fun FACT for you to swallow....the athletic revenue, not considering media payouts, UCLA came in dead last at #18 behind Rutgers! USC was barely more than Maryland!! NOT even in the top 10 out of 18!!! FSU revenue would place them at #4 or #5 slightly behind Wisconsin and Iowa and ahead of Michigan State. So, FSU would be at the top with anOSU, Michigan and Penn State. AND, there were ONLY 5 schools that broke the $200 million mark, #1) anOSU ; #2) Texas ; #3) Michigan ; #4) Penn State ; and #5) Alabama. Not bad company for FSU to keep. AND....The B1G has NEVER said that they would ONLY invite schools that were AAU members. THAT is just more hyped rumor and braggadocio because at one time, before the AAU SNOBS changed their criteria, ALL Big 10 schools, including Nebraska, were AAU members. Yet, the academics and research in the PAC-12 and ACC were just as noteworthy.

[@SurferRC]

When youre the 7th most viewed college football team in the known universe you get more options than most

[@mikeholley4488]

The SEC is better for sports. The B1G is the better academic conference. We win either way!

[@plantthespear]

Exactly how we feel and what it all boils down to. Both are great options that are better than the ACC! Thanks for tuning in! 🫡 Go Noles!!

[@daveowens9849]

B1G alum here and we don't want any non AAU school. FSU adds nothing to the B1G. Go Indy or SEC.

[@plantthespear]

So, when are you kicking Nebraska out of the Big Ten for not being AAU? Besides, there have already been reports that AAU was not a hard requirement, but academics were a big factor. FSU ranked ahead of 6 B1G schools in the 2024 US News university rankings, and they are pursuing AAU. FSU would have been 3rd (or 4th depending where you look) in most viewed teams in the B1G last year (including the new memebers), and that was while playing primarily ACC teams. They would be 4th in SP+ ratings from 2002-present. They would rank 6th in the B1G for directors' cup points. FSU has plenty to offer.

[@daveowens9849]

@@plantthespearNebraska was AAU when they joined. Lost it. Now we're stuck with them. I don't know anyone in my circle that wants FSU or Clemson. We take the academic alliance seriously. FSU is a no go for the B1G.

[@daveowens9849]

Even the Tallahasse Democrat says all this conjecture about FSU joining the B1G was an April Fool's joke, and way too many people bought into it.

[@josephcernansky1794]

@@plantthespear ....@daveowens9849

[@SurferRC]

Lol they would be the third most viewed team in the conference! You want that big $$$$$

[@ChrisJohnson-zz9wu]

Geographically the SEC would be a better fit cause you won't have to travel very far to a game.

[@michaelhart6318]

FSU and Clemson are not members of the AAU. Therefore, the BIG 10 isn't an option. FSU and Clemson will go to the SEC.

[@plantthespear]

While that's true about FSU and Clemson, the Big Ten has said that it is not a hard requirement. Nebraska is no longer an AAU school, and FSU is working towards it. AAU is important, but I don't think it would prevent them from joining. I think both are a more natural fit for the SEC, and I'd be ok with either, but I think FSU wants the B1G. I could be wrong, of course.

[@grahamhallman243]

Just not the case anymore. ND would have been in BIG long ago without AAU, but now they have it. Neb is out of AAU now. The previous BIG commissioner already stated AAU is no longer required.

[@larrychannell7056]

Thats it F THE SEC

[@larrychannell7056]

No it is not better in the south. That is a myth

[@tonyking1437]

B1G