Who are the 144,000 in Revelation?

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[@lawtonsegler1923]

We are so blessed to live in a time where we have 24/7 access to teachers who have dedicated their entire lives to the study of God’s word. All from a device that fits in my pocket. The internet can lead you to destruction or it can bring you closer to God.

[@carlmorgan8452]

Great comment 👍

[@princeeugen777]

It is written that the 144 thousand will be only those of the last generation who will remain alive until the return of the Lord Jesus, because they being sons of light will put in darkness the sons of darkness who for now are wiser than the sons of light (Luke 16:8). &So is clearly that Bible study is our only chance to remain alive until the return of the Lord, because only by being more enlightened than the AI ​​robots will we be useful to God in the final armageddon that will end the armageddon started in heaven against the Sanctuary. We can be surely that Satan's army will use artificial intelligence AI (which they see as being millions of times smarter than all intelligent humans). It must be clear to us that AI servants will use the photo-theology of the Bible in more and more dimensions to fight against God’s army. Therefore it must be clear to us that we will have no chance to remain alive among the 144 thousand if we do not begin to practice the photo-theology of the Bible in always more dimensions studying under the guidance of the Holy Ghost who remembering everything we read and meditating God’s word He will guide us in putting all the verses in perfect order. It is clear that the AI ​​super-intelligence will use the same phototheology of the Bible but for the purpose of ecumenism trying to twist the verses putting them in that perfect order which AI will see as necessary for the ecumenical union of all religions. ​​And so is clear that we will not have any chance to overcome against the sons of darkness who will use the AI ​​super-intelligence when we will not be able to see all what will be twisted by AI and to see even the mis-ordering of verses desired by the ecumenical philosopher AI. Armageddon has divided the heaven into two groups of fighters and therefore armageddon will be ended between two groups of fighters seen in the verses as: Romans 3:4 By no means! On the contrary, let God be FOUND true and ALL MEN be found LIARS, as it is written: "That you may be FOUND righteous in your words and come out victorious when you are judged. (in Rev 14:7). Revelation 14:7 He was saying with a loud voice: "Fear God and give Him glory, for the HOUR of His judgment has come, and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters!" Unfortunately only few Christians can see the two groups of fighters in these two verses because only few study the Sanctuary to understand Hebrews chapter 3 and chapter 4 to be seen as saints in Colos 1:26 receiving God’s MYSTERY called CHRIST(Colos 2:2).

[@malahkhesus482]

I am the One

[@johnhutchinson6080]

You don't understand that the 144,000 witnesses will be in the early part of the Tribulation period after the rapture. They all will be young Jewish men and all virgins These witnesses will all be winning souls for Christ but unfortunately they will all be murdered before the midpoint of the tribulation.

[@lindadobson9854]

They know who they are, God's spirit tells them.

[@sarahlynn4790]

Linda Dobson 😉

[@4ucmikey]

Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. Romans 8:14 For as many as are "led by the Spirit of God", these are sons of God.

[@louannelong6219]

Yes 👏

[@desertlawgaming154]

@@sarahlynn4790 be the best you can be

[@sarahlynn4790]

@@desertlawgaming154 He says I am going to be great....

[@gwentomlinson4205]

I can’t wait to see God proving to the world that He says what He means and means what He says….every single time

[@jeremyking5309]

Out are absolutely correct 💯

[@jamiecooper4277]

Meee tooo

[@chasleask8533]

Yep . Enough of this 'interpretation ' nonsense . The literal truth .

[@playbackproductions1]

Based

[@onlylove556]

@Gwen Be careful what u wish for my friend, especially if ur not in the body of christ, the 1st church Jesus Christ started in the 1st century, & gave his authority to his apostles to pass on his teachings, thats why Jesus said if they do not hear u, they do not hear me, for many will come to me on that day saying Lord Lord, no1 wants to be those Christians. So i pray ur in a apostolic church, that has apostolic succession.

[@VideoBible]

I appreciate how Jesus is ALWAYS there for us. Always there to advocate for us, to step in for us, and to remind us when we forget. Thanks Jesus!

[@KingDavid-wn8gl]

🙏🧎‍♂️

[@omen4186]

Let us pray that the lord will help us all understand what it is written in the book of revelation. God bless you all!!

[@babyangie8189]

There’s clue

[@boyceneo1442]

Pray for understanding , because it's he's alone

[@cloviskirlew1487]

The 144,000 is from the twelve tribe of Israel, while the other group, the great multitude is from every nations, tounges. The 144.000 is the first fruit, while the others the second which is unnumbered. This is not a symbolic number. The eight people that were saved in Noah's ark; the 12 disciples, the 120 apostles at Pentecost, and many others could mention, all of which is literal numbers👍.

[@GodEmperorOfDune747]

After 2022 years, shouldn't we know decisively what it means by now? Why do we have to pray for an answer? God never says anywhere in His Word that the Bible is a mystery that we have to try to solve over 2022 years. It was written and given to us to understand on day 1...yet 2022 years later we've turned it into a mess of confusion.

[@EmeraldRainbowGLORY]

I completely agree & Our Abba Father Creator clearly uses numbers and patterns in His Divine Intelligent ways of communicating to humans, to reveal hidden coded messages, to verify other verses of scripture, pattern is prophecy and each verse has multiple layers of dimensional meanings. I only recently have been shown by the Ruah Spirit of Truth the significance of 144,000 in the human genome....only a "pureblood" who hasnt had their DNA/RNA altered or tampered with would be considered like Noah was 'perfect in his generations" And not a hybrid transhuman experimental test subject ....genetically modified organism . Our Creator states the life is in the blood. He even used the numbers of the Hebrew alephbet in the 4 protein molecules that make the bridge of our double helix DNA strands. The sacred ancient name of Hashem....YHWH....Coorelates the numbers 10-5-6-5. The author and creator of our lives signed His name into every strand of our very DNA, THe building blocks that make you who you are! We serve an AWESOME GOD,,, who loves us very much. Each of us is precious and unique to our Maker, never let anyone change that! Godspeed Saints

[@michaeljohnson5698]

The most humble and most correct answer you will hear is : WE DON’T KNOW.

[@robertturner7147]

I TOTALLY!!! agree with you 100%!!! We don't know. Only God, knows exactly what his plans are for mankind and all things living and not living. People like to say that they Know that they are going to heaven after they die, in all honestly they don't, they may say it to make themselves feel better about an unfull-filled life here on Earth now, but they Don't know. None of us knew that we were coming here to earth or were gonna be born, likewise there is No way possible to Know what will positively happen when we cease to have breath in our bodies after living here on Earth. Only God Jehovah knows. If any of us did know, we would be like God, and NONE!! of us are like God ,he is the "One and the Only".😐

[@LECityLECLEC]

Anything God writes down he actually wants us to study carefully and pray so we can know. God’s spirit lives in believers. If he doesn’t want us to know he won’t have it written down. So I respectfully disagree with you. The correct answer is: if God had it written, I’m going to find out!

[@tylewis8598]

You a dumb ass. You doing the same thing everyone else does. Listen to another dumb ass! Revelation 7:3-8 [3]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. [4]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5]Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6]Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. [7]Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8]Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. 12,000 times 12 Tribes of Israel equals the Elect who is Sealed. Your 144,000 who are Israelites. Not any other Nations. But Israelites. So called Negroes Hispanics and Native Indians according to Scriptures and History and Prophecy. Sit down and learn.

[@atwiineigonor6181]

@@tylewis8598 wow so much pride and arrogance and disrespect. I say this in love brother. Repent. Jesus only saves!

[@amos7611]

Lazlo Lorintz Im perplexed that you consider yourself “righteous” when just a few messages up you go on ranting calling people “retards” and cursing people.

[@plsleaveblank]

New-ish to Christ 🙏 So grateful for the work you all do on this channel! Sub-ed a few days ago, thrilled to have my Bible questions answered. May God continue to bless you guys

[@playbackproductions1]

It's important to stay in your bible everyday. Hope you're still doing well. Check out the singer Mahalia Jackson! She'll pick up your spirit 👍👍👍

[@jesusischrist1527]

Hello my brother in Christ , just seeing how your doing , how you are holding up , good I hope .... I pray that you are well and still focusing on Jesus Christ and leading your children to Jesus as well... Be blessed my friends In Jesus' mighty name ... Amen🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@johnnygerald]

Welcome 🙏

[@silentmanclark9818]

Old-ish to(in) Christ. This is the first time I've heard this guy-It will be my last. Such non-sense. The 144,000 are not symbolic, they are real - servants of Christ. My suggestion is to move on.

[@krazo4Christ]

Everyone's view on this is going to depend on their eschatological position. Ultimately, it is not necessary for us all to understand these things and agree.

[@kingsolomon3175]

Scripture says exactly who they are. It shouldn’t up for debate based on eschatological positions. They are the Jewish remnant Paul talks about in romans 11. Isaiah 10:20-on mentions them too. Rev 14 calls them virgins and first fruits. This is a direct reference to Jeremiah 31, hosea 9, and psalm 68. They are the preserved Jewish remnant that fled to the wilderness. Numbers are not figurative unless they are specifically applied to a prophetic mathematical formula. Math is gods signature.

[@malakotfoster2206]

@@kingsolomon3175 what makes you say that numbers aren’t figurative unless applied to a prophetic mathematical formula though?

[@kingsolomon3175]

@@malakotfoster2206 when it refers to a timeline there are two formulas in scripture sometimes used: one is in Daniel 9 where 1 day is 360 days or one Hebrew year. And the other is found in 2 Peter 3, psalm 90, and revelation 20 where 1 day = 1000 years. There are prophecies where these formulas are used specifically for timelines. In fact where these formulas don’t apply God usually uses multiple ways to express the timeline. For example the final 1260 days of the tribulation is not to be confused with another formula. It’s literal days. So he also expresses it as “42 months” or “time, times, and half a time”. Same thing with the 2300 days in Daniel 8… so as not to confuse it with the formula in Daniel 9 he specifies evenings and mornings. God uses math as his signature. It was his signature on Jesus first coming and his death, burial, and resurrection in conjunction with Jewish feasts laid out in Leviticus and a timeline laid out in Daniel. He’s doing the same thing for his second coming. If you read through Old Testament there is an excessive use of numbers and numbering to the point we have a book called “numbers”. Everything means something. When a-millenielists allegorize numbers they’ve absolutely overlooked and missing out that a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth is a key clue to as to the timing of his return.

[@cheyennemanyheads2894]

The 144 000 anointed ones are Kings with authority over the entire earth (Angels). Jesus is our King and the 144 000 are our kings too. The 144 000 are Jesus disciples. Both men and women. They are bought by Jehovah from the earth. (pure spirituality- never been corrupted by false religion) They have to remain faithful till death. They sacrifice their life to preaching about Jehovah full time and they worship only the True God. Helping others learn so they can make it to paradise is saving someone's life. That is salvation! Jesus is Salvation and the Kings are too. That is why we teach about INHERITING everlasting life (Never get sick, grow old or die) because that is Jehovah's promise to us. We need to be humble. Not everyone agrees with us but the righteous and unrighteous will get resurrected it says so in the bible. John 14:6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. To exercise faith you need to end every prayer with "In the name of your son Jesus Christ, Amen." PRAYER EXPLAINED Matthew 6:9 “You must pray, then, this way “‘Our Heavenly Father Jehovah God, let your name be sanctified. (Let your name be known all over the world) Let your Kingdom come. (Let the 144 000 be together in heaven so its fulfilled) Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth. (May Jehovah Gods promise, everlasting life in Paradise be fulfilled that is Jehovah's will) Give us today our bread for this day (Bless us) and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors (Forgive everyone and Jehovah will forgive you) and do not bring us into temptation (help us not be tempted by bad desires and worldly ways) but deliver us from the wicked one. (Deliver us from the knowledge of good and bad) Jehovah may you please and thank you guide me through the prayer. In the name of your son Jesus Christ, Amen.

[@malakotfoster2206]

@@cheyennemanyheads2894 there is only one King and He is the King of Kings, Jesus Christ. Where in the Bible does it say that the 144,000 are kings? Also you cannot earn your salvation, it is a gift from God, not from earned by works or by leading people to Christ. We lead people to Christ because the gospel is the truth, we don’t want to see others have to go to see others go to hell, to honor God, not to earn our way into heaven. And lastly, the 144,000 are not salvation, only Jesus Christ is salvation. The 144, 000 can’t take the punishment for our sins.

[@kyleg4453]

Jesus is Lord, He loves you, Jesus died for you and He rose again three days later! Repent and put your faith in Him alone!

[@channelmar15]

I'm pretty sure the 144,000 people are The New IFB/FWBC, based on statistics.

[@SorrowfulJoy]

@thegoodguise yes but your salvation isn't dependent on works. What James is referring to is the fact that true faith will be seen through works. Only way for someone to walk with the Lord is to have the spirit, thus signifying putting faith in Christ. Through that obedience can be practiced but not until.

[@dakidarts]

Jesus is u an I lol. wake up

[@limitedarcturus9389]

Kyle G no

[@seventhstar8464]

Nah... the way to everlasting life is the sun which grows everything genesis chapter one said we are to eat from the plants and fruits baring seeds.

[@joey6818]

He does not know who the 144,000 are, only God knows. But everyone of the 144,000 will know they have been chosen, the prelude to the song of angels will always play in their heads, they have seen the beast, fought all temptations, attacks and won, they are the true, faithful and steadfast believers, spiritual gifts come to them, and they will have the voice of Jesus Christ giving them advise.

[@cazz3031]

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[@KC-yl5zp]

Amen.

[@MrRondonmon]

I know who they are and that he is wrong. The number 10 = Completion the number 12 =fullness. The 10 "Virgin" Brides = ALL Christiandom The 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel (Fulness x Completeness). Where do the Jews repent and when? In Zechariah 13:8-9 says that 1/3 of the Jews Repent, AND 2/3 do not repent and will perish. The very next verse, Zechariah 14:1 says BEHOLD, the Day of the Lord has Arrived or come. The Jews are the Wheat Harvest, the Gentile Church (mostly Gentiles) are the Barley Harvest which did not need a TRIBULUM (Look it up) because Barley doesn't need to be CRUSHED in order to be sifted, the Wheat has to be CRUSHED via the TRIBULUM to be sifted. The Greek word tribulum is where we get the English word Tribulation from. Thus the Church is ready to be sifted WITHOUT the Tribulation period, we are the Barley Harvest. The Jews still need the tribulation to come unto the Lord in full.

[@MrRondonmon]

@Meronea Dawson And who does the 10 (FEMALE) Virgin Brides stand for? The WHOLE CHURCH, so why is it the Church can be both male and female when represented as a Bride to Christ, but the 144.000 who are all supposedly Male Virgins can't be a Repentant Israel? Which, as the Virgin Brides does, stands for all Jews, both male and female. The 144,000 isn't a real number ether, two things make that apparent, firstly, God doesn't designate a certain perfect number, he accepts all who repent, just like the 10 Brides represent ALL Christendom or 2 billion people, the 144,000 represents ALL the Jews who repent (Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 repents, thus its 3-5 million Jews). Thus they are male and female. They are designated Males because they are Married to God already, the Bride of Christ has not yet married, Jesus. The Jews were God's firstborn so to speak. We Gentiles were grafted in later via the SEED of a Jewish Sacrifice, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Secondly, 10 is used for the Bride because it stands for COMPLETION. But 5 of the 10 are left, thus others from this Gentile Group come to Christ during the Tribulation. The 144,000 are represented by both 10 (COMPLETENESS) and 12 (Fulness) because they will repent during the 70th week and they are the COMPLETE & FULL numbers of Israelites whom God will save. Thus we get 12 (FULNESS) x 12 x 10 (COMPLETENESS) x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repent.

[@laurenthomas9574]

Yup. They definitely will know who they are. 😉💞🌈🦋✨🙌

[@rodolfocruz4681]

I'm so sick of sining but I really struggle after a few weeks of trying my best. I'm completely fed up with falling and at same time being completely alone doesn't make any easier

[@jakef777]

If you know Jesus you are never alone. I am praying for you. 🙏

[@stacy9179]

I'm right there with you brother. What I do know is giving up on Christ isn't really possible once we know he exists. Keep your head up, lean into your Bible, and just know that God is God. Nothing is to big for him, nothing surprises him, he knew what would happen before it happened, and still sent his son knowing these things. Hold tight to his words, and know there nothing that can separate you from the father's love.

[@staceypipkin4545]

Your relying on your strength to resist. Daily as the lord to help you and deliver you from whatever your struggling with. Never give up. It’s not about you being perfect. It’s about not giving up. Read. Read read your word. That’s how you fill up on his spirit.

[@loriirons9503]

Take your mind off of self and renew your mind in the promises you have in Christ!! He wants you to be able to come forward to the throne of grace and to BELIEVE that you are forgiven!! We are to renew our minds and that brings us the peace that surpasses all understanding and there we look to Christ as the Anchor of our soul to bring us into fellowship with Him. Your flesh was already judged, you had to die to self, and you were raised to new life with Christ in you, the hope of glory!! Galatians 2:19-21. You are a new creature once you have believed the gospel of salvation by grace through faith! The Christian life is lived by taking eyes off of self and sin and focusing by FAITH on what Jesus says is true! God bless you Rodolfo! You cannot walk this life by self effort, you say Jesus take the reins and look to Him!!

[@bigviewsmallwindow8335]

Make sure you are born again and baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Also get deliverance. Let people lay hands on you and cast off those demons. Struggling is normal but the Father will make sure we hear fruit if we're truly born again

[@franciscoluciopereira1135]

Just nice brother. The analises You did in this subject is just well done and tought me a lot. Prase the Lord. God bless you.

[@ejchakaodza]

We do not worry about who they are. The Most High knows his people. We work our salvation with fear and trembling.

[@soltusoul222]

Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞ The answers are within. 🙏🦋🌱

[@adamgoodword7888]

"We work our salvation" .... thats not biblical. We are not saved by works but by grace. Only Mormons believe that they need to work out their salvation. We already have salvation through Jesus.

[@ejchakaodza]

@@adamgoodword7888 Philippians 2:12.

[@mutulica10]

@@ejchakaodza only saved people can work out their salvation, logically speaking. It's not about working out in the sense of maintaining it, but rather to put your salvation to good use for the Lord.

[@ejchakaodza]

@@mutulica10 It's one and the same thing.

[@badkarma6181]

I really don’t like it when men say “What God means is....” REALLY??? God says what He means and Means what He says. His word was written so a man, any man, could understand it. It is simple as God meant it to be. Man tries to over-complicate His word.

[@charlene3903]

@BAD KARMA I agree. If 144,000 sealed servants of God from Israel is what is written, then it is. If 6 days of creation is what is written, then it is. If a thousand years of the Lord's reign is what is written, then it is. If the Lord rose again after 3 days is what is written, then it is. Why would the Lord say a specific detail if He means otherwise?

[@maxfletcherEternalLove]

I agree with you but, men wrote the Bible based on each man’s experience or passed down from another man’s experience...Yes?

[@michaeljohnson5698]

That’s not necessarily correct. You have to differentiate when you’re looking at a historical record in the Bible, like the creation or the rise of Jesus after death, and when looking at something like a prophecy or a vision of the future. If everything the Bible says was literal, Jesus would have been a powerful military leader who took over the world, but instead he was a servant who died for us. Revelation is full of symbolism and things that aren’t meant to be taken literal, it even says it multiple times and explains multiple symbols.

[@badkarma6181]

Michael Johnson it wasn’t and can ever be directed at The Revelation of St. John of Patmos. Same as the book of Daniel when he interpreted dreams. But mankind of this day and age, especially certain Churches, have an “interpretation” of what they think, just about any part of scripture, “really” means. I take the historical and the direct words of God without any hidden, “interpretative” meanings. I take it all at face value. There can be no ambiguities in what God says. Perhaps you don’t understand my meaning ?

[@badkarma6181]

Samael Levithan Yes Jesus used metaphors so as to make his teachings into stories that could be told from father to son and so on. Not many could read in those days so the way lore was taught was as a story that was easier to remember for common peoples...

[@bibiluvya5160]

The 144000 are true believers in Jesus. This group of people had an awesome God experience, their souls were awake to a total supernatural experience.

[@elohiymkingdom9453]

No

[@enoughsinsofmineown1033]

I believe it's the DNA pure blood lines

[@elohiymkingdom9453]

@@enoughsinsofmineown1033 nope check 9nania channel out

[@allianceoflight9473]

@@enoughsinsofmineown1033 Rh Negative 12 tribes... Shalom Sister ❤

[@Colt8722]

Yes

[@Pj-fm7oe]

Professor Robert L. Thomas wrote regarding the figure 144,000 mentioned at Revelation 7:4: “It is a definite number in contrast with the indefinite number of 7:9. If it is taken symbolically, no number in the book can be taken literally.”​-Revelation 1-7: An Exegetical Commentary, page 474.

[@hillaryejechi5884]

Very helpful. Praise God for His promises for those who believe in Him.

[@Forevertrue]

Thank You so much. AAron said it early on, " How can the judge of all the world not do right?" How can we doubt when its said so well in John 3:16? Revelations is scary, but when understood, Is reaffirming of Jesus Promise. A number is not the determining factor, your commitment to Jesus is. He said " I am the way."

[@soltusoul222]

Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞ 🙏🦋🌱

[@walterphillips244]

They know who they are, and you'll never find them. They're in the wilderness, spread out across the nations.

[@fukofutube22]

That was truely lovely. Thank you. God bless all.🙏

[@vizid_]

This literally has 144k views as of now

[@bonniemountz1817]

Nice!

[@gogogi-gieverything773]

😳 Whoa. 🔥🔥🔥

[@MikeKollin]

You have been chosen!! 🐹

[@bonniemountz1817]

I don't brag in ego I humble this knowledge for given to me even before birth my mom was told of me in her womb virgin marry told her she was with child a girl and is special.. I have been researching in spirit behind scenes for 5 years now but my whole life been taking notes ,, I have created a board concept monopoly for the soul educational and it was accepted today with Patten company , I was welcomed aboard.. God is good :)144

[@bonniemountz1817]

I have a message about the Sabbath begun 457 bc I was born on Saturday day before Easter 451977 on 910 and 911 2020 is Gods granted Sabbath and 1011 November is last chance for man kind to get law spirit aligned and repent a knowledge the Sabbath

[@jenanielson]

If you read the 144,000 are also to be kings with Jesus. They are anointed..people like the apostles..and first century christians..they are also called the little flock..compared to the great crowd..in Rev 14..they are a special chosen select to be co_ rulets.. They are not to multitude..and it is not symbolic..the great crowd is unnumbered..but 144,000 is numbered.

[@wyong811]

spot on !

[@coveredbytmh410]

Exactly!!

[@captainnemo2150]

The 144000 are scapegoated like JESUS CHRIST was...and forced to take JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES sins... and spend ETERNITY in hell.

[@captainnemo2150]

@Integrity In Christ Lazlo JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are gangstalkers period... no excuse can justify that.

[@robhumble9395]

Captain Nemo I spoke to one recently and he said "do you know what is Gods name?" When i told him silence consumed him and his eyes open wide...

[@patcomyns4326]

I agree with you, logically symbolic numbers were needed as specific numbers were not possible. At the end of the day all believers who live with love for their fellow humans, animals and our planet are a part of our future earth.. in glory. Thank you so much.

[@misfitking_0143]

Sealed and Protected by the Almighty Father of Lights ☀ I AM Here! GLORY be to the Lamb of God! Amen 🙏

[@FELIX-qr6vd]

I usually don’t care abt what doesn’t affect my Salvation but it’s always good to know

[@domsuniga969]

Julian Clarke That would be false friend.

[@thomasfurman8669]

Minister Furman Thomas The instructor of that video stated that John the Baptist is a Jew but John the Baptist is not a Jew he is from the tribe of Judah a Hebrew Israelite

[@renanbo6562]

I am not even religious, but I am watching this for information and curiosity

[@neoneherefrom5836]

And what exactly do you think it takes to be saved

[@byron3176]

Rev 7:9 9After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” There will be people from all nations.

[@zionofthetribeofLevi144k]

144k royal priests and great multitudes 🙏🏼

[@christen5042]

Byron Jackson most commentaries reference your reference as the Christians who died during part of the tribulation. First half 3 1/2 years. The 144,000 will be on earth during the great tribulation. Second 3 1/2 years.

[@esthertshipo4223]

@@christen5042 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@JackHuesman]

Because the 144,000 and the multitude from all nations, tribes, and tongues ARE NOT THE SAME GROUP as this guy tries to claim.

[@jesusiscomingsoon1979]

Revelation 14:12 Here is [encouragement for] the steadfast endurance of the saints (God’s people), those who habitually keep God’s commandments and their faith in Jesus.

[@chadmiller8877]

The 144,000 is a literal/actual number. Study Matthew 27:52:53, 1 Corinthians 15:9-20 and Revelation 14:1-5. They are the first fruits of Christ’s resurrection.

[@jgeph2.4]

Are they Jewish male virgins ?

[@chadmiller8877]

@@jgeph2.4 Very good question. But I’d have to answer it with a question. Could the 144,000 be pulled collectively (as of God choosing) any individual (meeting Rev 14 criteria) from Jesus’s resurrection back to Adam? Reminder it has always been and will always be by faith according to our father Abraham.

[@jgeph2.4]

@@chadmiller8877 well I asked the question because if the 144,000 is a literal actual number then we can’t separate the rest of what is said about them as not being literal .. such as having not having been defiled by women in Rev14 … I don’t hold this literal position btw I was just posing a question to think about .

[@chadmiller8877]

@@jgeph2.4 The 144,000 is a literal actual number and them not having been defiled by women is literal as well. Respectfully is not a mystery of scriptures. Is so hard to believe that a man would choose not to be defiled by women? That his body and soul would be reserved for God alone? Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Romans 11:4 “But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.”

[@jgeph2.4]

@@chadmiller8877 what I’m saying is the symbolic representation of the number described in the video is a more likely interpretation. The book of Revelation is apocalyptic literature and is a book filled with symbols . This does not mean we don’t read it as true or literal . We read the literal symbolic meanings . The same would go for the 1000 years on Revelation 20 . If you read that as a literal 1000 years then why is it not a literal dragon bound with a literal chain in a literal abyss with a literal lid or seal over him? The vast majority of Revelation is taken from Old Testament language and needs to be interpreted likewise . Also the literal approach tries to read the Revelation in chronological order as it unfolds .. if you take a closer look there’s a series 7 cycles each ending with the Victorious Christ who redeems His people . The Revelation is a book filled with hope amidst the trials and tribulations of this world and was written for the encouragement of all believers in every age .

[@tubecrazy3000]

Well the 144000 could just be all the direct descendants still around at the time of judgement. The 144000 of those that are believers that is.

[@areayljourney2917]

Lol he got me 😂 with the "I'd have to respectfully...."🤣😂🤣

[@zackp5294]

You get me! Lol good one sister!

[@soltusoul222]

Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞ The answers are within. 🙏🦋🌱

[@aleczamora6993]

He is a gentlemen

[@joyceboyd7380]

They are from the 12 tribes of Israel.

[@johnpietro1782]

Read john 1:10-13 Jews and gentiles, everyone can be chosen.

[@pinonnut]

I’m not so sure.... it says redeemed..... I’m so happy!!!!

[@tylewis8598]

wrong. Incorrect. Stop the nonsense. You going into Lake of Fire for lying on God and His Son.

[@tylewis8598]

@LIVING SOUL CREATION Revelation 7:13-17 [13]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? [14]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. [15]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. [16]They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. [17]For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. The ones who have suffered great tribulations of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who kept the Faith of Ha Mashyach Yahawashi, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who kept Gods Laws Statutes and Commandments and Judgements, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who did all as Commanded of My God, and did the Good Works according to My Heavenly Father, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who will Die for this Word, which is Truth, until the very End who Endured, out of each Tribe, twelve thousand. Shalawam. Shabbat Shalawam. QAM YASHARAHLA!!!!!

[@jembaucan9042]

yeah, the church will be ruptured before the 7 year tribulation ; therefore no missionary, but during the 7 year tribulation there are 2 prophets preaching and warnings; and during this tribulation there will be saved and the 144k (12k from each tribe) will be jewish saved missionaries that will be scattered to teach and preach to all nations during the 7 year tribulation, before the tribulation, Jesus will come FOR his own so the Church will be rupture, after the tribulation, Jesus Will Come WITH his own (The Church) to establish the 1K millennial kingdom

[@ardadavidian6521]

That was a very good, clear, and strong set of arguments he represented. I appreciated his concise yet understandable explanations. Very profitable to my knowledge of this chapter and that is precisely why I was searching.

[@imran4239]

I need these kind of answers in book format. He written this or not ?

[@silentmanclark9818]

You should pray to God for more discernment. Don't believe everything you hear.

[@rikfitz3549]

I would say that by the time John gets to the end of the revelation of each symbolic time line he's referring to a time not yet come and a trying time to yet expect, one that will not be easy and one that puts you at a cross road where choosing Jesus is a penalty of the first death but not choosing Jesus results in the second death (the death of the spirit)

[@ShelDockToyotaVitz]

I love your explanation. Excellent research, good references and parallels.

[@christen5042]

No. His references are bad and he did not read all the verses pertaining to this subject. He interjected what he wanted and left out what he wanted to fit an idea he has. Read your Bible. Don’t rely on what you hear; research it.

[@helloecko1]

@@christen5042 prove jt

[@ateachableheart2649]

@@helloecko1 doesn't need to. Compare what the Word actually says to what this man says. The two are DIFFERENT. He is pure conjecture. The bible is pure WORD.

[@JackHuesman]

His "explanation" is nothing but, "Here's what the Bible says...but I don't like that...so let me cherry-pick parts of verses to twist it into what I wish it said." He tries to conflate the 144,000 with the "multitude"...but it's made very clear that the 144,000 are Jews while the multitude comes from "all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues." Please don't believe a word this Bible-denier says. Read it for yourself and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth.

[@PrOtaku123]

@christen is correct this man just interpreted what he thinks, did you not hear him say I believe see he never says I know, the 144000 isn't actually symbolic as the 12 disciples and 12 tribes, the 144,000 are real people that live at the second coming of Jesus, they are the kingdom and priests mentioned in Rv1, but they are not the only people who go to heaven there is also the great multitude in white

[@mattwhitaker3801]

I would like a video about the witch of Endor in 1st Samuel when Saul was trying to communicate with Samuel. That is such a weird Passage

[@yaffayafo82]

Spooky since Saul was punished for delving into witchcraft and finding stuff out that was none of his business.

[@mattwhitaker3801]

@@yaffayafo82 I know. It is such a weird passage. Witchcraft and the like are sinful and punishable by death and yet here God worked through one. This is why this passage is confusing to me.

[@fsbirdhouse]

@@mattwhitaker3801 Do you actually believe that God would put His servants at the beck and call of a Demonic channel? Does it not make more sense to realize the Spirit seen by Saul was actually a lying Demonic Spirit? After all, it gave itself away by it's first words "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" (1 Samuel 28:15). Bringing him up, not down from heaven. The witch also said "I see a spirit coming UP out of the ground.

[@mattwhitaker3801]

@@fsbirdhouse yes but his prediction was accurate in verse 19 and came to pass in chapter 31. You see why this is so confusing of a chapter? Test of a prophet Deuteronomy 18:21-22 is whether or not the prophet words come true or not. What the being samuel said came to pass.

[@drusauza8291]

@Matt Whitaker Instead of seeking guidance from God Saul looked to witchcraft for answers. This is forbidden in the Bible and is of the devil. When you go to the devil for guidance then you place yourself in his control and no longer in the safety of God. The devil knew this and spoke through the witch of Endor declaring his death. The devil knew that by going to the witch of Endor he was no longer under God's protection. God did not put His servant at the beck and call of a Demonic channel, Saul placed himself there. See 1 Chronicles 10:13,14 We are saved by faith and Saul demonstrated a lack of faith when he sought guidance from a witch instead of God. Also the dead to not know anything because they are dead. The witch of Endor summoned an evil spirit not Samuel. Ecc 9.5

[@adamchristian7770]

You're teaching replacement theology, pure and simple. The difference between Israel and the Ecclecia can be likened to the difference between the Army and the Air Force. At onetime the same thing, but each specializing and having a different job to do. And yes, it still requires ground troops to take and hold land no matter how good your Air Force is. I have yet to hear one thing out of you guys that makes any sort of theological sense.

[@kimmykimko]

Its not replacement its the truth of God's people. Read Romans. Its covenant theology.

[@maxstrange7606]

If that is Replacement Theology, then the Apostle Peter taught it as well. Peter uses terms that were used of Israel and APPLIES them to the Church now. Notice how Peter takes Hosea 2:1; 2:23; Romans 9:25 and identifies God's people as ISRAEL. 1 Peter 2:9 says "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." Replacement Theology is BETTER labeled FULFILLMENT THEOLOGY.

[@narrowpath9491]

I keep seeing 44 everywhere lately, no idea what it means but it’s waaay beyond coincidental now

[@bodhitree33]

Synchronicity

[@manu16067]

Which means your guardian angel is trying to communicate with you 😇😇😇

[@Bobsbud100]

My lucky numbers.

[@narrowpath9491]

@@Bobsbud100 I love animals but watch out for veganism my friend. Their is quite some evidence we need certain vitamins and amino accids only found in enough amounts in animal products. I do try to buy locally and grass fed, animals who have had a good life.

[@Ela-py6wv]

Same here, I am searching for the meaning everywhere!

[@athleticaesthetics2613]

The 144,000 are God's frontrunners that will work during the 7yr tribulation period. They will be the harvest workers preparing the way for Jesus and His millenial reign. God will use each of them as He desires to bring in the second harvest.

[@sLiDeWaYz8806]

AthleticAesthetics yes

[@captainnemo2150]

They are SCAPEGOATS and they are persecuted like JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED....

[@sLiDeWaYz8806]

Captain Nemo Yes they will. They are those who will fill up the sufferings of Christ. They are here now. Hidden but one day revealed. Hated for his name’s sake. On the fore front... They will lead God’s ppl into the promise land. They are a bridge for Christ to return. A sacrifice. They will break the tape. Those who proudly, boastfully and joyfully say they are one of them do not understand what this path entails. Most difficult and nothing to brag about.

[@lenorenail1934]

AthleticAesthetics. This is what I have thought too. The laborers that set out for the reaping of the second harvest. I figure they will be spread over the whole earth as John talks about the numberless multitude of all nations, kindreds, people and tongues after the tribes were sealed (Revelation 7: 1-11). The book of Revelation is indeed a mystery. I was fascinated by it when I was 12. That was 46 years ago. John the Beloved was given this Revelation on the Isle of Patmos. He was a different type of disciple as we see in all of the books in the Bible that he wrote. God seemingly set John apart from the other disciples as the beloved. To me he seemed the most humble of all the disciples and God did give him grace. Jesus said to Peter and then it was said among "the brethren" "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" It will be amazing to be a witness as I believe we who are in Christ will be able to see to the end of this age the things of Revelation come to pass. What a glorious and awesome God we serve!

[@captainnemo2150]

@@lenorenail1934 fvk all religions especially JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES...thers no second harvest its all NONSENSE. Gangstalkers are JEHOVAH WITNESSES and freemasons.

[@joeregan.]

I agree. When the elder said to him in the vision, behold the lion of Judah who is worthy to open the scroll, I am sure he expected to turn and see a military warrior, but it says he turned and saw a bloody lamb that looked like it was slain. He saw something different than one would have expected. I think this is the key to the 144k people that are later marked as being protected from the wrath of the lamb. It says he heard the people numbered from only the tribes of Israel, and they totaled 144k, with 12k from each tribe, but what he saw with his eyes was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language. Maybe not what people would have first expected. I think these people marked as being set aside are simply people that chose Jesus and followed after his example.

[@jenanielson]

They are the little flock..with a promise to be kings with Jesus..they included the apostles and most of the first century Christian's...

[@joeregan.]

jenanielson why would such a small amount of Jesus followers in the past be protected by the wrath of the lamb? Makes more sense that it is showing the reality doesnt match expectations in both cases.

[@jenanielson]

@@joeregan. oh it's a large crowd that will be protected by him..not only from his wrath but all the nations as well. Rev 7:9 And Gods wrath will be brought on by the 144,000. With Jesus leading them.. We see in rev 14:4..the 144,000 follow the Lamb wherever he goes...and the 7 plagues that are done..are the wrath of God. We know that Jesus is the one on the white horse, fulfilling this wrath..and the followers behind him are also because they follow him. The are Co-rulers rev 5:10 After the wrath is finished..and Babylon the great( false religion)is destroyed..then Armageddon happens..or Gods great day..because all opposed to Gods rulership will be gone. And then the 1000 yrs will begin where Jesus as King of Kings..cuz there is 144,000 of them will bring mankind back to the perfect state that Adam lost...who will they rule over..the great crowd..that comes out of the tribulation.. It will be amazing..that's for sure.

[@alphanumeric1529]

His last argument is his best, and he discounts it! Ha!

[@Charles3773]

That was a great story, thank you.

[@jjokes49]

Its getting harder and harder to make up your mind on who has the right answer

[@martinmc6881]

Jim, pray and let the Bible explain itself. A good concordance helps.

[@michaeljohnson5698]

Right

[@Shindler39]

Southern Seminary is a reliable source.

[@soltusoul222]

Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞ The answers are within. 🙏🦋🌱

[@4ucmikey]

Daniel 10:21 “But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.” Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. Matthew 6:9-10 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. John 15:9-10 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. John 17:26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” Luke 10:17-20 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.” Psalms 20:5 We will rejoice in your salvation, And in the name of our God we will set up our banners! May the Lord fulfill all your petitions. Songs of Solomon 2:4 He brought me to the banqueting house, And his banner over me was love. Isaiah 59:19 So shall they fear The name of the Lord from the west, And His glory from the rising of the sun; When the enemy comes in like a flood, The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him. Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.” Deuteronomy 6:13 You shall fear the Lord your God and serve Him, and shall take oaths in His name. Ezekiel 16:8 “When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine,” says the Lord God. Deu 10:16-20 Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer. For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe. He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. Therefore love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall fear the Lord your God; you shall serve Him, and to Him you shall hold fast, and take oaths in His name.

[@leslieladyhawke]

I disagree. This belief would leave out God redeeming Israel in the Tribulation. Some of his arguments are paper thin. God knows their heritage. The Church is symbolized by the 24 Elders.

[@margiedenavarre7919]

Leslie Harris do you really think that any Jew today has even a remotely pure bloodline from a single tribe? So it is not really a matter of “God knowing which one they belong to.”

[@leslieladyhawke]

2 Cor. 5:15 Life Each tribe doesnt have a different type of blood. God knows more abt these things than we do. It’s likely an equal number of each tribe mixed one way or another. The Bible says 144,000, 1200 from each tribe. Believe God’s Word or dont. Other areas of Revelation prove that these are Jews that have been saved during the Tribulation.

[@alanmuxlow7093]

Leslie Harris, what do you do with the fact that Dan is missing and Joseph is represented twice since Manasseh is his son?

[@leslieladyhawke]

Alan Muxlow Dan may be missing because of its idolatry in Judges. Here is one link that helps explain it all: www.versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/why-is-the-tribe-of-dan-missing-in-revelation-7

[@pavlezakaidze]

John 14:6 - “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.”I love this quote as it absolutely disproves Islam and their belief in Muhammad.

[@IWasGivenRest]

This dude just made such a simple verse, so complicated... It is unbelievable how so many people make the Bible in general complicated.

[@landonhouse9338]

I understood it fine, context is everything. You can’t just read the Bible at face value.

[@1974jrod]

Sounds like replacement theology.

[@landonhouse9338]

Fulfillment Theology is a better term

[@maxstrange7606]

If that is Replacement Theology, then the Apostle Peter taught it as well. Peter uses terms that were used of Israel and APPLIES them to the Church now. Notice how Peter takes Hosea 2:1; 2:23; Romans 9:25 and identifies God's people as ISRAEL. 1 Peter 2:9 says "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." Replacement Theology is BETTER labeled FULFILLMENT THEOLOGY.

[@landonhouse9338]

@@maxstrange7606 agreed

[@zionofthetribeofLevi144k]

Revelation 5:10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”

[@soltusoul222]

Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞ The answers are within. 🙏🦋🌱

[@newbreed9454]

I LOVE YOUR CLEAR DELIBERATION

[@stevenkyle7255]

Some one ate the lamb the wrong way and now the fix for this is possible If you don't waste the meat of the lamb for a 1 time meal and a completion of an act gives a multitude of meals Then food does not run out nor does death of a lamb occur.

[@runup7529]

No its the 12 tribes. Then. John saw a great multitudes that no one can count. We must not complicate the Bible.

[@ArchimedesBC]

Runup: Very well said! Some of these guys from the Southern Seminary are beginning to disappoint me.

[@paulbrennan4163]

@@ArchimedesBC Yeah,.. this is the same kind of confusing theology that the Watchtower teaches. The Isrealites symbolize the gentile church, the crowd that cannot be counted symbolizes the crowd that can. You might as well say black symbolizes white!

[@ArchimedesBC]

@@paulbrennan4163 This guy from Southern Seminary "Doctor" Schreiner's interpretation is sprinkled with (a) replacement theology and (b) incredulity of scriptures. Can God trace the DNA of any tribe? Of course, He can! God returned scattered Jews to Israel after 2000 years. It is a literal 144,000 Jews!

[@paulbrennan4163]

@@ArchimedesBC That's right. All scripture says is that God chose poeple from those particular tribes. I don't really see any necessity for any of them understanding which tribe they belong to. God knows those who are his. That's enough. I live in Sweden so I'm not the Southern Seminary, but I am currently having an incredibly long discussion with a Jehovah's witness and I see the same kind of arguments being used - the list of tribes is different and Dan and Ephraim are not listed, therefore symbolism. What on earth is the logic in that???? I pointed out to the JW who tried to sell that argument that there is a perfectly good reason for this. Some people point out the fact that Dan and Ephraim went further in idolotry than the other tribes and were rejected for that reason. However, while that may play into it, I think there may be another reason. We can read about the twelve tribes of Israel in Genesis 48. In that list we see that Levi and Joseph are present. Then later on when the land was to be divided between the tribes, Levi was not included due to the priestly duties that the Levites were to do. So the list was restructured, with one important thing that needed to be maintained - there had to be 12 tribes, not 11 or 13. Levi and Joseph were out, and Ephraim and Menassah were in. So if restructuring the list of tribes makes it symbolic then that would mean the list was symbolic when the land was divided. That's how much sense their argument makes! Also, since the tribes listed in Revelation 7 are under the New Covenant, we can expect and understand the reason for yet another restructuring of the list to occur. In the New Testament we are all kings and priests. There is no longer any reason to exclude the tribe of Levi. And from then on it is up to God to restucture the list as he sees fit - just as long as there are 12 tribes listed. No symbolism needed in other words.

[@ArchimedesBC]

@@paulbrennan4163 I really like your reasoning. Yes, I agree, "there is no longer any need to exclude the tribe of Levi."

[@travelingspark3970]

In revelations it mentions that when the Devil is free after the 1,000 it said he would he let out for a little bit. Now this little bit isn't know to us. In conclusion all numbers and any absence thereof in our spiritual texts are significant and precisely done on purpose. Much Love.

[@soltusoul222]

Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞ 🙏🦋🌱

[@LT-vl4vg]

4:11 that was Dr. Schreiner telling you not to jump to conclusions and laughing at you if did. 😂

[@crisdiaz32107]

Keep reading it tells us all believers

[@michaelcabezas1667]

Highly respect Southern Seminary. However, this is so controversial that it's safe to say, NO ONE TRULY KNOWS. Great insight though and I love your videos. God has me on a journey of gathering perspectives from all denominations that are prevalent. Keep the videos coming. Blessings from Australia

[@tonybasoni8443]

MC,...We can truly know. It is a symbolic number. That is for 100% certain. Stop gathering perspectives from all or any denominations. The entire church is 100% apostate. You will only become more and more deceived. Read the Bible only and do not listen to anyone from any church.

[@Pepsiguy]

I immediately unsubscribed from Southern seminary after watching this video.

[@tonybasoni8443]

@@Pepsiguy ,....Don't feel bad, very few can handle the truth, and break free of the indoctrination of the apostate church. I suggest you keep trying to though.

[@Pepsiguy]

Tony Basoni Oh my head, “apostate church?” Now that is rich. You’re literally going to condemn Christians to hell over 144,000! Wow, what private interpretation am I missing now?

[@tonybasoni8443]

@@Pepsiguy ,.....Are you saying that the entire church is not apostate? Not sure what you mean about condemning over the 144,000? That number is not a literal number. All those that have become born again know that.

[@francheskajernigan832]

Yes.... the redeemed ! Finally

[@stephenjohn2895]

After almost 2000yrs God brought them back in their nation, He knows all of them and tribe's too

[@k_h_f7449]

Really truly well love all of these turely awesome amazing video's

[@paulbacon5056]

If there was ever a guide to triggering dispys this was it. Great explanation.

[@terrydonegan1622]

12000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. Possibly meaning a 'fullness' of or Completeness of number. Symbolic perhaps. Also the Israel of God is the new people of God Galatians 6v16

[@Salvation7]

Revelation is confusing but i heard a man say it's written 4 different times in 4 different ways and i noticed at chapter 7 it starts over and from what i know, the overcomers are the ones who don't live by the 5 senses won't go through the test but thoughs that say they are overcomers but have no evidence will. and so from chapter 7, it mentions 144,000 servants of god, these are the ones who say they are conquers but have no evidence and in the next chapter it says they appeared in heaven and one of the overcomers asked the head, who are these in white robes, referring to the ones who say they conquer but don't. and the head responded saying, 'these are the ones that died in the great tribulation, they have washed their robes in my blood' And so that shows they went through the test and only the overcomers were raptured and if servants took satan's mark, they weren't really a servant and only the real ones will appear in heaven to serve in the holy temple. Then i noticed thats when the seperation of the sheep and goats come in and no wonder why its AFTER the testing. and then the rest of the chapter just mentions the destruction of satan's government system.

[@lorenzolopezlopez2560]

I am ONE.AND THEE ONLY ONE TILL MY FATHER ASKS ME TO STEP DOWN ,AMEN

[@ruthhayes2942]

...check all your Pockets they are Full Of my Prayers...

[@2244password]

He knows who God’s real people are that’s why

[@tanksyber3237]

Exactly....

[@learsi5168]

This man knows NOTHING.

[@yahcanonbenisrael650]

The real Jews are black.. If he knows something he should be talking it.

[@LXRD-SUPREME-]

@@yahcanonbenisrael650 Facts Absolutely 💪

[@LXRD-SUPREME-]

Correct , Melinated Beings

[@pappybigs5663]

Great arguments and points you make on this issue. I am confused how to reconcile Revelation 14 with the idea that 144,00 represents all Christians. I am not disputing it only trying to reconcile Rev 14:3-4 "They have kept themselves as pure as virgins"........They have told no lies, they are without blame" This brings into question, if this number represents all Christians, what about Christians that haven't done that? I know that Christians fall into sin. According to 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 2, we have an advocate on our behalf if we sin. Are these Christians (and I have been one of them) fall into this number of the redeemed?? or is a certain group of people that lived their lives perfectly??? I hope I am making my point clear here!

[@Adriang.carballoliinc]

As a former Jehovah's Witness I appreciate this message 💗💪✝️

[@drrydog]

lol

[@imabeast7560]

They dont need to know what tribe they're from. God knows.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

They are spiritual Israelites. Rev .is based on what has been made clear before. Gal. 2:29,30, 6:16, James 1:1 Yes God certainly knows who THEY are.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

They are spiritual Israelites. Jas. 1:1, Gal 2:29,30, 6:16. Revelation is largely built on what has been made clear before.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

I answered you on that but the video maker has cut me off. A pity

[@nihilistic7840]

They'll find out on that day. That's not a "reason" whatsoever. I think this guy might be anti Semitic

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@nihilistic7840 Find out now, it matters. Go to JW.org

[@danieljackson269]

In their wisdom, they are made fools.

[@leemccurry4156]

Thank you

[@leemccurry4156]

So smart but so stupid..... Deceivers ..... Smh Ministers of Satan

[@WanderingNature]

Thank you toe posting

[@Rueuhy]

It seems to me a lot of theologians use "symbolism" as their go-to when they haven't gone in-depth enough into scripture to fathom out what or who something is. Throughout end time prophetic scripture we gain insight into who they might be. In some areas, we see the Lord with His holy ones, or saviors or elders and we seem to clump them into some unrecognizable group or the remnant. But when these groups are seen with Christ, in the coming end-time revelations throughout prophecy, then it leads us to question when Jesus returns as accepted through taught theology. Is there a climactic return with his holy army as a final return (yes), but is there a mixture of prophecy indicating Christ returns before He is seen in the clouds in Revelation 19 preparing the remnant for exile or their return? Yes, that is revealed to us as well. Did not Paul receive a visit from Christ on the road to Damascus after His ascension? Is Christ somehow prevented from previous visitations upon His earth because it destroys the narrative we have been told - Christ only returns as the 19th chapter of Revelation reveals? Will He not be revealed in clouds or the cloud of glory when the trumpet sounds and the bride is caught up to Him before that great and terrible Day of the Lord? Sometimes I think there's almost a laziness when symbolism is used in this way instead of truly searching out scripture and meditating/reflecting longer than just coming to conclusions based on an accepted ideology that fits within the parameters of accepted theology. When a highly respected man, based upon his own intellect, comes to a conclusion and it becomes ideology and passed down through the centuries, I do believe God will grant the gift of discernment to dig deeper and allow scripture to reveal the truth even if it destroys an accepted theology with us through the centuries through that gift of discernment given to some. I admit the possibility I am wrong, and the 144,000 are symbolic, but we seem to disregard some areas of scripture and miss the connections with John's Revelation or other scripture. The word is all connected and every verse fits into the revealed mystery of God, who He is, and His plan for His creation. We will only know when we know as we come to the full realization of Christ within us.

[@jaytee5122]

The great crowd live on earth, they are the meek ones who inherit the earth and are ruled over by Christ and his 144,000 annointed ones

[@unholywarrior9007]

Sounds like a prison . After a billion years the meek will get board and want to move on . But the 144000 will not let them off the earth. Think of it this way . Your kids get over 18 years old but you never let them leave home

[@jaytee5122]

The possibilities are limitless after the millennium,,,it wont be like prison then or during the millennium, no sickness or death, also, people will be resurrected during this time,,,the great crowd live into the millennium with out experiencing death

[@paeng46]

jaytee Revelation 14:3-4 is the answer. I believe they are a prophetical figure that represents a specific identity. Only those things that are freely given to us by God are made available for us to know(1 Corinthians 2:12). These are events that are yet to take place in the future, and God is surely keeping it from our knowledge. Even the apostle Paul admitted that he didn’t know everything there is in the prophecy. He stated that “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part”(1 Corinthians 13:9). There are things in the prophecies that God is keeping from our knowledge because the time for them to be revealed has not yet come. One example is Revelation 19:12 which says “and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, *THAT NO MAN KNEW* , but he himself”. Now, who do you think is one so stupid enough to do a research to know what that written name is? But then further down in the last chapter, we read- “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads”(Revelation 22:4). So only then if you can wait until the end when that thing is stick in your head that you will come to know the name of God.

[@rdgurule]

No mistaking a WTBTS cult explanation.

[@beverlyhernandez9514]

They are the male babies that were slain in King Herod times check out Robert Breaker on utube his teaching makes sense

[@mitchellcochran6919]

Southern Seminary: Posts information theological mini lecture espousing one man’s view Commenters: Well I guess since this is KZbin it’s time to treat everyone like dirt (literal or metaphorical)

[@marsonofjo344]

Isaiah 49:6 Aside from the Tribes of Israel, the Natsir of Israel is also mentioned. What does Natsir, Natsar, or Natsari mean?

[@thenetisthebeast6910]

The maths is phi extrapolated with the fibonacci sequence frequency 1.618 + 1.618 =3.236 + 1.618= answer + 3.236= and so on to 144002

[@stevecarlson2242]

Excellent-spot on. Amen. As far as the tribes - you have to look at what the name of each tribe member means in Genesis when the child was named by the mother. Put them all together and it is a beautiful description of the faithful church.

[@al-yahnaihawkins4060]

@Steve Carleson ... Apparently you don't Know who "amen-ra" is - or else, you wouldn't call on the gods ... However; I sure would like to Know - Just One thing the fellow spoke about - that was *_"spot on."_* ... If you Believed the Lie as Truth - then you couldn't watch this - as it is Only Truth: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIK3dKtunZV6Y9E about who the 144,000 are and what they will teach, eat, wear and/or etc. ... if you want to Know of the 144,000 - then why Not Ask - .... One of the 144,000? ... instead of wolves in sheep's clothing? ... .. Peace~

[@johnc.8298]

No this is not the church. These are 144,000 young men selected for a special purpose in end times. It is not confusing if you read what it says rather than try to obfuscate the meaning by useless guessing and conjecture as this heretic is doing.

[@al-yahnaihawkins4060]

@@johnc.8298 ... I hope you don't mind me saying, that you are correct & then again; not quite correct, when you said this: *_"These are 144,000 young men selected for a special purpose in end times."_* Yeah - we Were Really Young - even Unborn at the time that we were selected, But! - that was Many Many Moons ago & since birth - for Many Many Moons - we been getting Whipped into Shape for Many Many Moons! - to be, what our King desires us to be - that we may help the whole world, at least those who will SEE that there IS an Actual Way! - To: "Salvation" - and then, the 144,000 will help All who are Diligent to acquire Just That ... but my friend - I don't think you will find any of us that are "young" today ... we are old & our Holy Temples worn down as Enoch even describes us, when the time actually comes about for us to be Sealed ... after this Corona Virus does it's thing - that there might not be so many Old guys left & by the way - "OLD" men in ancient times ... Meant: "Wise" men ... and the "Wise" men - Satan don't want her Ignorant world to have any of - to help them Find the Truth of our King ... Peace~

[@wesselsmith172]

Even though I have the utmost respect for the SBTS faculty, I have to admit that there is really a lot wrong with Dr Schreiner's interpretation. Would any normal person interpret the text this way? As the wise old saying goes: "When the plain reading of the text makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you end up with nonsense." As one Bible scholar once succinctly stated: "If you get Israel wrong, you will never get eschatology right." This applies to Dr Schreiner's views in this case. A few short comments: 1) “Meta tauta eidon” (“After these things I looked”) introduces new revelation, information, or a new vision that is distinct from the previous one. It is therefore grammatically untenable to tie the “multitude” in 7:9 to the 144,000 in vv.5-8. "Meta tauta eidon" always indicates a vision distinct from the previous one. When “meta tauta” is on its own, it is not a new vision, but a next event or happening in the vision. 2) It is said of the "multitude" in 7:14 that they did not come out of the church age, but “out of the great tribulation.” They suffered and died during the first 6 seals. The 144,000 in 7:5-8 come out of the 12 tribes of Israel, whereas the “multitude” in 7:9 is taken out “of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues…” (out of the the great tribulation!) and it is impossible to read this as descriptive of (or symbolism for) the 144,000. It also makes no sense to use a definitive number (144,000 - consisting of Jews exclusively) as symbolism to describe a multitude that is innumerable (consisting of non-Jews and Jews). Three more comments: (a) Why are the 144,000 (in Rev 14:1, 3) not called a "multitude" in these 2 verses? Because the multitude is not the 144,000. (b) Rev 14:4 clearly indicates the 144,000 were ALL male virgins and if this is not literal, then who decides what it means? It means they were all male virgins. Are you telling me the multitude in Rev 7:9 from all the nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues were all male virgins? Really? (c) Rev 14:4 also indicates the 144,000 are the "firstfruits" to God. The multitude of Rev 7:9 clearly does not fit the use of the word "firstfruits," but they fit well the idea of being the harvest. 3) Yes, the Jewish tribal records are no more, but surely God still knows exactly the constituents of each tribe, and is well able to select 12,000 from each of the 12. And as 12 X 12,000 = 144,000 is it not incontrovertible proof that this must be interpreted literally in a straightforward manner? (And we certainly know that Israel always consisted of 12 literal tribes). 4) There are many possibilities to consider the absence of the tribe of Dan (beginning in Gen 49:16-17, Judg 18:27-30, 1 Kgs 12:28-30 - and even their later reinstatement in Ezek 43 and 48), but even though God does not reveal all the reasons for excluding Dan at this point, it certainly does not justify disemboweling the plain and literal interpretation of the text. Really, there are far better and easier ways to interpret these texts, without such elaborate and gymnastic leaps that jolt my conscience every time I hear them. Sorry Dr Schreiner, but I think you need to seriously reconsider your interpretation and beliefs in this area. The way Amils treat the text requires the name of Revelation to be changed to the Obscuration.

[@frankcrawford416]

I believe you totally. I would like to ask if the 144,000 are left behind when the church is raptured. I mean their are 10's of millions of Christians, so we all can't be left when the trib starts, only the 144,000. Thanks. I am new to this.

[@melissabird23]

Wow this is thorough! Thank you for sharing this

[@JackHuesman]

@@frankcrawford416 The 144,000 are not Christians. They are Jews. They practice the Law of Moses AND the grace of Christ. They are not "saved" as we use the word before the rapture...they are justified through their faith and works during the tribulation.

[@MosinMan76254]

@@frankcrawford416 Please dismiss the "left behind" nonsense from your mind. We shall be here for the tribulation. Jesus said in Matthew 24, 22-24, And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. However, we shall be caught up with the Lord during the wrath.

[@justinmorton7693]

@@JackHuesman The 144,000 are from every tribe not just Judah. Cant you read. Is a Reubenite a Jew. No they are not. He is a Hebrew. Open up ur eyes

[@martycl1876]

The book of Revelation is THE GREATEST LOVE STORY ❤️ EVER TOLD

[@CapnBud15]

I’ve never heard this view. Im not convinced though. It doesn’t make sense to take a passage that seems to be objective in saying there are 144,000 people sealed and they each come from one of the 12 tribes and then claim that that’s symbolic

[@gray6430]

God doesn’t always write in “literal”

[@ayoelufisan6275]

I'm curious, why would a loving father send his son/daughter on errand to a strange land with less than 'literal' map/guide to the destination when indeed he's all-knowing? Will you do that to your own son or daughter?

[@user-ps7ij6ge6d]

@@ayoelufisan6275 That's sort of an unimportant distinction to make. It doesn't matter if your guide is a poem, a work of music, or a literal instruction book, it what matters what ideas are presented, what themes are represented, and what is emphasized. Abstract ideas can be more widely applicable and impactful than literal ideas. Jesus spoke in parables. David wrote songs and poems. God being loving is irrelevant to how he equips us. If you are under the impression that the love of God is a helicoper-parent sort of love that prevents hurt, sickness, trial and failure than you are sadly mistaken. His love is fulfilled perfectly in his sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for a humanity which despises him. We are not entitled to anything other than repentance.

[@ayoelufisan6275]

@wolfen244 Extra-ordinary claim I must say.

[@ayoelufisan6275]

@wolfen244 It can't be both.

[@redlightrambler1547]

Maranatha Father! I pray for You and Your army of Angels. Give them strength, wisdom, and armor so they can guide the true Will. Thank You so much for the constant blessings here on Earth. I am forever in debt to You and can’t wait to work for you the rest of eternity. You must have so much more in store. Another Earth? More battles. More Creations? I continue to awe over Your brilliance every day. Please scoop us ASAP. I will be here and never waver from the Chessed You instilled in me from day 1. They told me you were just an imaginary friend I called, Dude. But now I know who the Dude really was and The Dude abides to His Covenant. This is solemn Truth! In Your Son’s beautiful Name, Jesus Christ, I pray laugh live love die eat sleep run walk drive talk sing and will die, Amen!

[@doctorbea]

I agree. Most people haven't a clue just how much of the Bible's insights are completely symbolism. The majority of it doesn't translate as actual history. The scholars, those who are actually reading/translating the original records, know this all too well. You all should check out Dan McClellan's channel. He breaks a ton of this kind of stuff down, and gives great supportive historical references for such.

[@jxohnhunter8723]

Need Spotify. This is alot to unpack here

[@tracydonnelly1645]

Very well explained. Thank you!

[@nickalton]

Why is his argument/answer so complicated? Why not just say we don’t know? Why must we have an answer for everything?

[@Ellomarshall50]

Agreed!!

[@moseslivingstone1258]

The 144,000 know who they are, spiritual sons of God who will reign with Jesus from heavenly Mt Zion. They are not literal Israel, neither are they the original 12 tribes. These ones belong to the Israel of God, " really Abraham's offspring," made up from people of all nations who have accepted Christ: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise," Galatians 3:28.

[@moseslivingstone1258]

The 144,000 are those who rule with Christ from heavenly Mt Zion, Revelation 14:1. They are the first fruits, Revelation 14:4, taken from the earth, and those who participate in the first resurrection, Revelation 20:6. Just as there is one literal Jesus Christ and 12 literal apostles the complete number of king priests who rule with Christ, Revelation 5:10, is a literal 144,000, beginning with those original 12. Because these go to heaven to be with Christ, they are also the bride of Christ, Revelation 21:9,10, or the New Jerusalem.

[@noobsaibot5285]

@@moseslivingstone1258 Nonsense! read it again. God does not contradict himself. You say they are not from the 12 tribes, but the passage says the EXACT opposite. If God says he created the world in 6 days, he probably meant something else right? Just read it as it is. It makes no sense at all otherwise.

[@moseslivingstone1258]

@@noobsaibot5285 Jesus disciples see it differently to you: "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day," 2 Peter 3:8. Look carefully and you will see the listing is not the same as the original 12 tribes. "However, it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who descend from Israel are really “Israel," Romans 9:6. "But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people," Romans 2:29. The 144,000 are spiritual Israelites: they are a new creation, the Christian congregation, or the Israel of God, as Paul said men and women of all nations : "For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is. 16 As for all those who walk orderly by this rule of conduct, peace and mercy be upon them, yes, upon the Israel of God," Galatians 6:16.

[@colleen9220]

Not only Christians, but people that have lived a righteous life. Some people are Christian’s but do not live a good life and do not have a good heart. God knows who is good and that is not based on religion or how many times you go to church but how you live your life.

[@hays3391]

Idk if I’m a Jew but when I found out about my peoples history I asked God to give me a sign and the only thing I got was a bible verse of rebekah and Jacob marriage 🤷‍♀️

[@janhughes1996]

I think anybody could become one of the elect 144000, all things are possible for God, God does not play favoritism

[@charlesdoss4162]

Jehovah GOD has "chosen" 144,000 men/women from the earth to rule in HEAVEN with christ....the GREAT crowd or MULTITUDE will inherit a paradise earth!(psalms 37:29).....the CHURCHES are of satan and will be REJECTED by christ!(GET AWAY FROM ME...I NEVER KNEW YOU).....the 144,000 are neither jew nor greek...slave nor freeman...male nor female....they will accompany christ when he DESTROYS all opposes of the HEAVENLY KINGDOM!(2 thessalonians 1:7-9)

[@jayjohnson7708]

Revelations 7:4 Then I heard the number(I) of those who were sealed: 144,000(J) from all the tribes of Israel. 5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, 7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000. It's not that hard to understand

[@shedroids]

Love it... thank you for your wisdom and sharing

[@archer303]

I would have to disagree. In Revelation 7: 4-9 After speaking about 144,000, verse 9 it clearly states that “then he saw a great crowd that no man was able to number”. Which clearly puts emphasis on the 144,000 as a number that man can count. . It is a distinct number made up of 12,000 From 12 Tribes then there is a great crowd that no man can number. So if the 144,000 was symbolic why would it be able to be counted and the other crowd not wouldn’t the 144,000 be as well a random number unable to be really counted as well there is a clear distinction here between what is countable or literal and what is not.

[@maxstrange7606]

It is a symbolic image of the Christian church (God's Chosen/New Humanity). 12,000 x 12,000 = 144,000. (Length x Width). This is a description of the New Holy of Hollies (Also called the New Heavens & New Earth), which dimensions were a perfect cube, as long as it was wide. The New Holy of Hollies is a City and it is a People that comes down from heaven in Revelation 21-22.

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

I discuss scripture with Jehovah's Witness elders here in the UK over zoom or the telephone, I've many discussions on the identity of the 144,000 with them.

[@kbcinmedusn]

Biblical numerology is key to understanding the book of Revelation. 12×12 equals 144×1000 equals 144,000. 12 signifies the 12 tribes and the 12 disciples of Christ. When multiplied together you have a complete covenant of both Jews and Gentiles. And 1000 represents a long time of multiples of generations to come.

[@luboshcamber1992]

With one problem. If it is as you wrote, and both 12 mean what you say, and 1000 literally means what you're saying... There's no way the World is gonna be around for that long. From purely genetics perspective. So I disagree with your reading into the number 1000

[@charlesdavis7087]

The whole Book of Revelation is a huge, symbolic metaphor. There is no "literal" or time-bound meanings. The number, 144,000, is a symbol of perfection and universality. Christ-likeness is the Key.

[@RAISE_IT_UP]

I AM RAZIEL 144 GREETINGS WITH LOVE AND LIGHT OF THE ONE! I’M SENDING HIGHEST FREQUENCIES OF SPARK ENLIGHTENMENT!!! THIS FREQUENCY IS OF THE HIGHEST ORDER AND GOOD FOR THE UNIVERSE!!! THIS FREQUENCY IS FOR THE COLLECTIVE AND AS ONE OF THE COLLECTIVE!!! RECEIVE THIS ENERGY AND BRIDGE THIS CHANNEL TO ALL ON THE GROUND GRID COLLECTIVE. THIS FREQUENCY IS THE SPARK OF THE ONE ORIGINAL THOUGHT. THAT THOUGHT IS L O V E! THIS FREQUENCY IS THE SPARK OF AWAKENING THE COLLECTIVE!!! THIS FREQUENCY IS THE SPARK OF UNITY!!! WE THE COLLECTIVE SHALL ASCEND AS ONE TOGETHER!!! I LEAVE YOU IN THE SPARK ENLIGHTENMENT FREQUENCY OF THE ONE GLORIOUS CREATOR AND LETS TOGETHER UNITED GIVE OUR PRAISE AND GRATITUDE FOR THE ONE ASCENSION IS OUR DIVINE BLESSING AND CHOICE!!! REJOICE IN THE POWER AND PEACE OF THE ONE SO IT IS. ADONAI

[@christianbohls9880]

They will not be deceived by false doctrines and will stand against the antichrist.

[@johnbear6145]

Yes the people of God are God's people "by faith" this is how it's always been.. its by what you believe ...it's by faith ..even as Abraham believed in God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness Jesus taught "this is the work of God that you believe on Him whom the father has sent" it's always about faith ..faith is the litmus test for God's people...

[@woodap5057]

John Bear no the people of God are the Israelites

[@johnbear6145]

@@woodap5057 yes and no Israel yes is God's people because salvation is to the Jew first but many Israelites are atheists they don't believe in God they are not God's people God's people are believers they believe in God if you don't believe in God you're not God's people

[@soltusoul222]

Yes, John. You are correct.

[@jbtweetyswagger6839]

Omg revelation specifically says these are men who are virgins from each tribe and are the first fruits geez do people read the Bible anymore

[@rightasrain3675]

JB&TWEETY SWAGGER ...true and are we to take the book literally is the question isn’t it? What does it mean then to be a virgin? Is it about sex really? The dragons and all of these images ....are they literal? That’s the argument this man is making that it is all symbolic.

[@Jeremiah6071]

It certainly says that and it even defines what a virgin is in chapter 14, but I think many people don't like what it says because it excludes them. Plus Revelation is filled with so much symbolism that it gives them a good justification for not taking it literally. Personally, I have no idea. The entire book is a bit weird and confusing. Is it literal? Is it figurative? Does it really matter?

[@juans0516]

jajaja nope!

[@janhughes1996]

@@Hehehe-hf7rq Paul presented us or should I say presented them as chaste virgins to the Lord. We are told to seek the kingdom for his will to be done on Earth as it is in heaven Jesus clearly says that those that are counted worthy to obtain that age neither marry nor are given in marriage, and Paul says that the time is short for now on those of you that are married should live as if you had not

[@LC-go1uh]

Not very many do. We have a whole lot of people talking about it, who don't even know what they are actually talking about. The worst thing is, we have a whole lot of ignorant people out here, following idiots who don't know what they're talking about. It's a church with no knowledge whatsoever. I don't think most of them will make it.

[@JohnSmith-hn9on]

I’m not interested in being divisive or arguing about things debatable by interpretation. But I would like to point something out for those of us who have an interest in studying or understanding scripture. I will do this in a question form. Do you know how many times in scripture from Genesis to Revelation (or even extra biblical texts or the 20+ other books your Bible mentions. But if you want let’s just stick with the 66 books In the current KGB that were reduced from the original 84 in 1611.) So, do you know any biblical historical records and accounts that were given where the numbers in the story were symbolic and not the actual number? When the fish were caught in the net or when the loaves and fishes were brought by the boy and 12 baskets leftover were picked up. When David took five stones or the number of bundles that bowed to Josephs, 120 years to preach prior to entering the ark for seven days prior to the rain or maybe the number of times Jericho was Marched around or how many times a certain price was paid there are many instances of calculations in money gold or silver. Go anywhere for any story pertaining to Gideon’s army the Assyrian army, The men in the fiery furnace, The seven stars or seven candlesticks the Lord described in his hand, The seven seals on the outside of the scroll or the seven trumpets. Do you believe any of these are symbolic of a different number? Numbers are used Literally hundreds of times in the Scriptures. I have noticed a pattern and a trend in Scripture that when numbers were given they were actual literal correct accounts and not symbolic. Precision was accounted for in the building of the temple in the building of the ark down to the number of animals placed in it. I believe if we let God speak for himself and the Scriptures speak for God and his character and past historical record demonstrates the accuracy and use of numbers representing a literal account Was done hundreds of times. I haven’t said anything except for to point to scripture as a reference for interpreting scripture. I’m not interested in dividing or arguing but only to point to the truth found in Scripture. I’m not asking anyone to believe what I said because I didn’t say anything I only pointed out what scripture says. And asked one question above. If you agree or disagree I have said nothing to agree or disagree with.

[@allianceoflight9473]

Ah a wise Man.! I ove 2nd Esrads .. fills in and compliments Revelation... I use the Cepher ... Has the books removed from The Kjv along with Enoch Jubilees and Jasher .. All the names are Restored to their original Hebrew names as well Its Fantastic!

[@mwanamulimo4169]

By asking this I'm not comparing myself and your biblical knowledge.Jesus mentioned as the lion of tribe of Judah the root of David is it symbolic and Judah listed first is it symbolic?

[@hazeliman77]

Revelation 14:1-5 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne

[@hazeliman77]

These are virgins men who was ministering in and during the tribulation, and was sealed from the wrath of God, on the earth.

[@scottheld4837]

For you are correct. Finally someone posted the correct scripture. Amen

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@scottheld4837 yes the scripture quote is appropos but he does not explain its meaning along with Rev 7 . Go to JW.org and click on Bible questions answered.

[@scottheld4837]

@@ralphgoreham3516 For your way is not my way, for my way is not your way. Amen

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@scottheld4837 But what is the truth, can you handle it?

[@stormcup2920]

This is one of those things, in my opinion that God will reveal in it's time, but now we do not know. And maybe we are not supposed to, right now

[@ralphgoreham3516]

Yes we are, please go to JW.org, click on Bible questions answered.

[@stormcup2920]

@@ralphgoreham3516 thanks carm.org/read-this-first-jehovahs-witnesses

[@beverlyhernandez9514]

@@ralphgoreham3516 they are the male babies that were slain in King Herod times check out Robert Breaker on utube

[@AVYONE]

If it represented all believers, it wouldn’t have a precise number

[@bbb.1172]

Why do we use terms like “impossible math” and “loaves and fishes” so often in The Chosen