Why Fight Club Was Wrong About Self-Improvement (Mostly)

[@zuben4077]

Bruh, you're breaking the first rule of Fight Club!!!

[@BrockMcGoff]

And the second one 🙊

[@Escendrix]

To me, I think it’s more about overcoming hardship and pushing through to find your real self and strength vs avoiding pain at all costs.

[@JasonFerguson17t]

I was a teenager when I saw it, the main message of the movie didn’t land with me. It was much later when I finally understood what was going on.

[@charlesjohnson8106]

From fashion to Fight Club Brock covers it all.

[@swisspunker94]

I think American Psycho is having a bigger affect on todays youth, which is slightly worrying😂 Good movie though

[@BrockMcGoff]

Another great (and probably misinterpreted) movie!

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

❌ Fight Club ✅ American Psycho

[@TravisVarga]

Both are great -

[@HarryHarrisonHarrisIII]

I'm a huge fan of David Fincher and his filmography is something I come back to time and time again. Love or hate _Fight Club_ and its messaging, it's from an era where films just felt more impactful and lasting. It still has one of the best cinema twists of all time, no question.

[@doom-mantia]

I was 19 in 2010s when I saw this movie. It was very fresh ideas at the time of shedding vapid consumerism and call to fighting to satiate a primal need was very fascinating at the time.

[@JamesS180]

I saw Fight Club when I was about 17. I didn’t fully grasp the satire at the time, but I also didn’t then and do not now understand the idolization of Tyler Durden. I found his nihilistic attitude deeply off putting. He struck me as a violent and reckless guy spouting high minded sounding bs to justify his destructive behavior including essentially starting a cult. I can’t imagine why anyone would want to be like him. Minus the physique of course.

[@BrockMcGoff]

Those abs though, haha... Yeah you're spot on. He's an insane person (literally).

[@ggndrums]

Dude, yes! I too drank the Fight Club Kool-Aid for so long until I snapped out of it. Still love the movie and it did bring up good and bad points (all listed here.) This was such a solid video and I’m so glad you made it. Thanks Brock!

[@MysteryShack616]

Yeah I agree, sometimes looking back at the movie. I can’t fathom how men don’t see how extreme and toxic the advices are.

[@andrewalexander3836]

Thanks Brock for making this type of video! To be honest you’re probably the last KZbinr I’d expect to make this video, but the self help values you mentioned align with your channel actually really well and you have great points too! fight club is a great film but sometimes I get too wrapped up in Tyler’s extreme viewpoints so it’s good you addressed the flaws

[@BrockMcGoff]

Thank you! I know this video is a bit random, but I kept seeing Fight Club essays popping up lately and wanted to weigh in. Thanks for watching!

[@abdulkareem6400]

Im 19, 20 in a month roughly. I watched ***** **** when i was 16 maybe? Or 15 idrk. My key takeaways from it back then were that 1) consumerism bad 2) stop self improvement and live in the moment cause nothing really matters in the end anyway, and you're doing self improvement to make yourself feel good in the moment which might not even ultimately matter. Ofc id interpret it differently if i watched it now. Right now i really have passions and some of that are a bit consumer-ish, and i think its fine to engage in as long as you're not falling into the trap of conspicuous consumption, but just doing it, generally, for yourself

[@SonBob-pm1zk]

Great video. I found your channel (and subscribed) upon the recommendation of the incomparable TGV.

[@LenH23]

This shows you’re very good at making content outside of just fashion! 👌

[@larrytron1992]

Fight Club is actually my favourite movie of all time but even I know that it’s just a movie and shouldn’t be taken seriously If anyone starts behaving like a fictional edgy character, they seriously need to go outside and touch grass

[@BrockMcGoff]

Well said!

[@ELIOyt]

I watched fight club a few months ago and I’ve just turned 20 but the way I interpreted it was that I shouldn’t fall into the trap of buying things for buying sake which I didn’t realise I really did until this film. I also left watching it with a desire to get out more and do more things socially which I’m starting to do. I definitely did not agree with the nihilism Tyler Durden viewed the world with though.

[@dominicscalise]

I enjoyed this. Congrats on the purple belt, Brock!

[@wilsonsothernames]

Simplicity is appealing but complexity takes your breath away

[@Loggerr]

I loved this video idea! Very interesting + useful..thanks!!

[@BrockMcGoff]

Thanks, appreciate it!

[@chrisb3902]

Great video Brock!!!

[@popthej97]

I am 31, I was 31 when I first saw it. I don't know what impact it had on me yet

[@ProductionsFromBeyon]

Just turned 30. Fight Club wasn’t my toxic teenage obsession. A Clockwork Orange was.

[@barron204]

Interesting video. Do a video on how the Karate Kid franchise is a bad example of conflict resolution.

[@yehoshua77]

It wasn't a how-to guide

[@zappa-r6j]

well, i think you didn't understand the 'self improvement is mastrubation' part. for my understanding this means: face your real problems, instead of following every self improvement advise that you don't even need. and by 'self destruction' he means the process of breaking down the problem to something that is really improving your life. short: don't follow every trend, just focus on the problems that really need to be fixed

[@mrjellow]

Nice USM haller cabinet!

[@justin-w8x]

i need your help when i buy shirts they always fit big because im slim i weight 110 pounds what size shirts would be perfect for me

[@afrozalam5389]

Wow. Did not know you are a purple belt. Let’s go

[@BrockMcGoff]

I just got it recently! Still feeling like a blue belt though 😅

[@chickenfactory1010]

I'm going to admit. I never watched Fight Club 😅. Good video!

[@nathaniel.j]

Make more videos like this!

[@teenoso4069]

About 30 in 2000. It was ok, but didnt make me think deep or bleak or change me

[@williamobraidislee3433]

To be fair though, Fight Club wasn't about self-improvement. We all added that afterward.

[@BrockMcGoff]

That's what I'm (trying to) say here. The story is misinterpreted and Durden is glamorized too much.

[@williamobraidislee3433]

@@BrockMcGoff Exactly. Durden is like your crazy older brother who "makes some good points" but lives with your grandmother because your parents finally kicked him out and he can't afford his own place.

[@MariaMartinez-xm4fl]

😂😅

[@NCSheriff7]

Good shit

[@jonasis22]

💯

[@jonaspete]

People don't know this is satire and the movie made fun of these characters.

[@Maimounos]

You didn't understand "self improvement is masturbation, now self destruction". What they mean is no half measures. It's impossible to improve some aspects of your character. Destroying aspects of your character and creating new habits is the only way.

[@BrockMcGoff]

I can see coming to that interpretation, but I didn't get that from the book or movie. The destruction was literal.

[@owen4420]

As a 21 year old I just recently watch this movie the first time. It has blown me away. One of my new favorite movies of all time. I think Tyler’s speech about being the “middle generation of history” resonated with me the most. It was true for generations x and millennials and unfortunately it’s still true for Gen Z.

[@mitch758]

I was 14 when I saw fight club. And most ppl my age thought it was weird and boring as fuck. I appreciate it now though.

[@alexmarques2398]

1. Fight is metaphorical, as is the whole movie. Fight means fighting for something and some reason. 2. Having scars I would understand as having some adventures, stories to tell or to carry to the grave. Being brave and doing something crazy.. ... 5. There is a deeper meaning, from or similar to some philosophy. Means facing our fears, hit rock bottom, destruction before reconstruction rather than some fluffy cover up. Surely, you can find a better explanation here on KZbin. One of the best movies ever made. Multiple meanings or meaningless. It's the beauty of it...

[@bobnewby9129]

I prefer the wisdom of Red, from Shawkshank Redemption: "Get busy living or get busy dying."

[@NostalgiaforInfinity]

The younger generations will need therapy after watching Fight Club. They'll have PTSD from watching all the "toxic masculinity" and "misogyny".

[@Stan_sprinkle]

Actually, I think it’ll help them identify that all these current day social media keyboard warriors are just cosplaying Tyler Durden, but aren’t the strong men they pretend to be. They’ll be able to walk away thinking well this would almost be cute if it wasn’t sad

[@YKG-91]

Well i'm from the younger generation, i watched Fight Club very recently. And it just didn't feel right to me, i mean there are some good messages like avoiding over consumption and all. But i couldn't get why you should get in a fight or hit others or most of the things that were mentioned in the movie.

[@BrockMcGoff]

That's a very rational takeaway form the movie!

[@David_10157]

@@YKG-91because if you’ve never been in a fight, how much can you really know about yourself. Not even a real fight, go to a BJJ class and roll or go to a boxing class and spar.

[@YKG-91]

@@David_10157 I've been in real fights before man what you said still didn't convince me.

[@fastone130]

Imagine watching Fight Club, then decide to dedicate the rest of your life trying to look like an NPC from a GTA game. Oh, I'm sorry. My apologies to GTA NPCs. They look much more colorful and stylish than Brock.

[@Stan_sprinkle]

I don’t intend to drag this into the political, but I feel like the cult fight club mentality has taken a new shape with social media toxic masculinity these days? Anyway, this is great, thoughtful content, Brock. Thank you. You’re good at it.

[@frakismaximus3052]

"Toxic masculinity"? Feminism is just the kind of sanctimonious masturbation Tyler was warning against.

[@BrockMcGoff]

Thanks! Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyler Durden quotes from the Andrew Tates of the world -- guys who didn't notice (or ignored) the satire and complexity of the Fight Club story.

[@frakismaximus3052]

​@Stan_sprinkle laughable take. There is NO SUCH THING as "toxic masculinity." That term is 100% just a feminist dog whistle for hatred/shaming of men, boys, and masculinity in general.

[@chrisloco9]

you totally dont get the movie. everything youre saying is the point of the movie

[@BrockMcGoff]

Sounds like I do get the movie if everything I’m saying is the point of the movie.

[@chrisloco9]

@@BrockMcGoff touche you got my ass. i didnt explain myself properly

[@mcdouche2]

This broke down the superficial stage props of a story and completely missed the point of the film. It’s about every man’s struggle with and ultimate unification of his innate dichotomy. It’s about resolving the yin and yang inherent in every male. It’s not about pants and fist fights.

[@BrockMcGoff]

I agree that a lost or ill-defined sense of masculinity is a big theme of the story, but not the entire point.