Xbox Will Never Win - Delayed Input with Kyle Bosman

[@jasonguarnieri4127]

'A CEO who reads the comments' is one of the best descriptions of Phil Spencer I've ever heard.

[@terogamer345]

Not only that, he scrolls!

[@legomand6734]

It's the suggestion that he scrolls that's the most cutting; that he's taking to heart the dregs that nobody should expose themselves to.

[@Stormkyleis]

HE SCROLLS

[@hanysonic]

He’s the best

[@bigfootwalker5399]

🤣

[@greydout]

When I worked for XBOX I met Matt Booty in London, I explained some of our country issues we had with XBOX to him, he seemed really interested to help and told me to mail him. When I got back to the office I mailed him, he never replied.. two weeks later I had a disciplinary hearing because I mailed a VP (even though he asked me to.) Matt never bothered to even step in and admit he asked me to mail him. I was given a written warning and scolded for simply sending him an email that I was asked to send. Anyways I worked myself to the bone for XBOX and did some great stuff for them, Phil Spencer even took some of the code for something I built to replicate it in other markets (they apparently had no budget to replicate it). I left XBOX, it was a dream job for me that was ruined by egos. A lot more went on while I worked there but I don't have all day to type out my story. I feel like they don't get it, their hardware team is next level but somehow their studios simply don't understand what makes a good game. Good games do shift units thats a fact.

[@Ddmd1789]

Nice input, man. It basically confirms what it's being said out there: there's tons of yes-men inside Microsoft. That's why the internal reviews they had for RedFall were so much higher than the media's and player's.

[@HeWhoisKarim]

Good games absolutly shift console units it is shockingly absurd to suggest otherwise especially when Xbox first-party hasnt released any great games. Phil is clearly trying to make Xbox seem more vulnerable so they can buy Activision. What you've said proves to me what i already suspected which is that they only want to seem personable when in reality they are just scummy. They're willing to put money into buying studios and IP but not games themselves. Personally, I hope they give up and another competitor does what Xbox never could: make video games worth playing.

[@kryten09]

It just shifted me to trade in my series x at GameStop (for $380) to buy a PS5. It's 1000% the games. Yes, if you build a consistent string of great games... I will buy your console. Case In point, I left my Xbox digital games for a PS5... BECAUSE OF THE GAMES!!!!

[@greydout]

@@HeWhoisKarim I have such a story to tell. They need some changes implemented and it won’t change any time soon sadly, they are going to learn the hard way.

[@SPACECOWBOY705]

His name is booty what did you expect?

[@Kango234]

"I'm way overpaid for the role I have anyway" -Phil Spencer Jesus christ that either aged like milk or wine depending on how you look at it, but he should lower that pay the next time they think about closing a studio.

[@jeffcarrier9808]

This just illustrated such a major point... that Xbox has basically given up on the console battle and will focus on GamePass+Cloud, and THAT is what the CMA has blocked. MS is saying CMA "don't understand the market" but it feels more like they understood it very well and this is more detrimental to Xbox than they let on. This was their final hand to play and CMA swiped it away.

[@ShadowWolfQc]

Agreed

I think the CMA also saw the Nvidia is aiming in that direction too, as GeForce Now is where their frame insertion will be more usable, and although at the moment they are not even close to Microsoft in market share with it, I think they are the only ones who can compete with them in that area.

[@msab4883]

Yep, Azure is the leading cloud hub and MS acquiring all popular IPs they would have a monstrous monopoly over cloud gaming down the road (it’s laughable now but also all digital consoles were laughable at one point)

[@Ben-do1bf]

@ I don't exactly agree that GeForce Now is where DLSS frame insertion will be beneficial really. Especially given how much latency is already being added with streaming which DLSS 3.0 is only going to exacerbate, and how DLSS 3.0 really starts to become truly beneficial above the 60fps Geforce Now streams at, it seems more focused for those who are actually buying cards. Regardless, whether or not Xbox and Nvidia are focusing on Cloud, and whether or not the CMA is trying to block those ambitions or not, I kind of see it as moot because as of right now its not looking like cloud is suddenly going to take over the market anytime soon. (unless everyone starts doing the cloud arms workout routine that is)

[@Slitheringpeanut]

It's also that M$ still has market dominance when it comes to Operating Systems, and this merger will only increase that dominance into a monopoly.

[@claudzbored]

Kyle: If you don't want a sports analogy... Me, physically nodding at my monitor: Please Kyle: [convoluted One Piece reference] Me: I should have known better.

[@labrynianrebel]

>monkey paw curls

[@denimchicken104]

Shame on anyone who can’t understand basic sports references.

[@izuku_m789]

But then it HAPPENED, it’s kind like, the battle of the bands😂 He baited us very hard on that one, but in the end he delivered so I’m cool with it.

[@miami2881]

How is it hard to understand that it’s hard to come back when you have a lower score lol

[@goldengrill769]

@@denimchicken104 Imagine there is a team and out of 7 possible games they lost 3, WHOA SPORTS??????

[@BogeyZero]

It’s funny this showed up as a recommendation today, thought it was about the studio closures. Come to find out it’s from a year ago lmao

[@RougeMephilesClone]

The Bossman takes a quick break to perfect his blasterpiece.

[@AntiNihilist]

That One Piece analogy was the biggest sucker punch to me between the mere mention of it, but also the details in it

I love the fact that music always played while Kyle said: Xbox Will Never Win.

[@CresentSoul]

Mmmmn keep stroking yum yum

[@sharkulashairstylist5505]

Funny because Xox already won and beat the piss out nintendo.

@@sharkulashairstylist5505 Then go and tell that to Phil, as he in that interview said that they missed their chance of ever doing that.

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

I know this video is about pretty topical stuff from months ago, but looking back it now, I think the thesis of this video might just be timeless.

[@johnd8553]

Well you definitely called it

[@smlinarcik]

Did you start singing Absolutely (Story of a Girl) at 6:59?

[@magnusalexander2965]

The comment nobody seems to make a big deal of is that Spencer said in essence that they could help Bethesda more with Starfield because unlike Redfall it was much earlier in development when they bought Bethesda. That seems contrary to everything we thought about how long they've been working on it. Maybe I misunderstood him, but it sounded weird to me

[@markus9641]

Either way it feels like they didn't help Arkane at all. Judging by this, I take anything Phil says as bullshit. He has enough resources to delegate to both projects simultaneously, and in this case he's just admitting he purposefully down-prioritized the development of Redfall for no reason what so ever.

[@ShadowWolfQc]

It's simple, Bethesda has been working on Starfield for nearly a decade bit by bit. All Microsoft did was buy Bethesda to take their games off playstation to force ppl on Xbox or PC GamePass, cutting off the vast majority of elder scrolls, fallout and doom fans off from the sequel. Whatever Microsoft execs say is always full of lies and manipulation. They lie even more than Todd Howard lol

[@RenoNV775]

They’ll be able to assist in the microtransaction store design

[@timytimeerased]

@@markus9641 well the reason is obvious, they saw the project didnt have potential. You dont release a game in that state if you think this was marketable in the first place. Maybe they thought that when they revealed it, but not in the past months

[@yomamasohot6411]

​@Térence Caron you don't continue the work on a project you know will fail either. That's like Cost Management 101.

[@knleonhart]

Phil shouldn’t have called out Jim for scarfing down shrimp at GDC. Sure, the jerk store line didn’t work, but Jim never forgot it.

[@quagthias]

"Oh yeah Phil? Well the jerk store called, their running out of you." "What's the difference? You're their all time best seller!" *everyone laughs* ".... oh yeah... well I had sex with your console mascot." *long pause as the room goes silent* "Xbox doesn't have a mascot."

[@timothyoswaldtei3047]

@@quagthias I was gonna say,

[@knleonhart]

@@h.i.mcdunnough9421 any relation to fictional works is coincidental. I’m just trying to reveal truths as to the origins of the console wars.

[@knleonhart]

@@quagthias this statement is absolutely preposterous. Master Chief is in a coma.

[@quagthias]

@@knleonhart "You have liver, kidneys and gall bladder, but no central nervous system." Commander Keyes Cortana gives chief the 👎 "... well I gotta have a central nervous system."

[@OmahaGTP]

“to me it just seems like this team is built for losing” hard to attain a goal of winning if your goal is never defined as such. Quote of the episode.

[@bozzwick]

There’s a video of Phil saying in console they are aiming for first place. He is in last place. That is losing.

[@maoaadriao]

Kyle, your comment about Phil reading youtube comments is kinda true, sometimes he plays games with people that used to be hardcore console warriors and to this day they have their own podcasts, hell, some of the microsoft leadership listens to those podcasts.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

actually there's a deep disorder inside Xbox marketing where Xbox reps routinely associate with racists, fascists and toxic lunatics on social media

[@roshe7887]

MS exec’s relationship and support of console warriors is highly disturbing to me, and weird.

[@tkraft1442]

Which are the hardcore console warriors?

[@yomamasohot6411]

​@@tkraft1442 well their marketing head is the first one that comes to mind

[@leonvschris1]

Man this video aged like fine wine.

[@MrDochorrible]

Hooray another battle of the bands reference! I still get the original battle of the bands songs stuck in my head from time to time. I went to a water park with my kids recently and I just kept singing "WE ARE HAVING FUN AT THE WATER PARK"

[@MysteriousMrL]

The one that still always gets stuck in my head after all these years is, "Hey pretty girl with your pretty eyelids, I want you on an island, with meee, we'll catch fish in the sea."

[@jackied962]

Bill Gates absolutely hated the idea of the Xbox and threw a fit when it was first pitched to him. However then people got him paranoid that Sony's real plan was to use the Playstation as a trojan horse that'd replace the PC in people's homes, running their own OS and not Windows. Microsoft's goal has never really been about winning the console space. At their core Microsoft is a software company that would rather not make any hardware.

[@N7Null]

We also know that Microsoft isn't interested in being involved in a space if it isn't the dominant force. You don't even have to look at Windows for that. Look at what happened to the Zune and all the different iterations of their phones.

[@rna151]

Initially maybe but suggesting MS wasn't committed to the Xbox after they started it is a bit ridiculous. Heck, it was that commitment and neglect of the PC space that gave Valve the room to move in and for Steam to become the dominant force on what could/should have been MS own backyard.

[@N7Null]

@@rna151 Not entirely true. MS created DirectX around '94 or '95 as a way to entice developers to get ports of MS-DOS games over on Windows. Developers didn't believe in MS so MS went out of their way to contact John Carmack and convince him to allow a port of Doom 1 and 2 to be created for Windows on the condition that id would get to keep the rights to that release. Carmack agreed and Gabe Newell actually spearheaded that port before leaving in '96 to found Valve. Valve didn't create Steam until 2003 and didn't get their first 3rd party deal until 2005. When GFWL launched in ~2007, Steam only had something like 150 games for sale. GFWL was a massive failure and was eventually removed from every game that had it. I couldn't play GTAIV for the longest because of that shit. I'd argue it had less to do with Microsoft's commitment to Xbox and more to do with Microsoft's incompetence and inability to ever understand the gaming market that let Steam exist. The strategy they're using now is the same strategy they've been using for decades whether we're talking about that Doom port or we're talking about them acquiring Bungie and preventing Halo from being released on Macintosh computers at the turn of the century.

[@rna151]

@@N7Null Going off on a bit of a tangent here but it wasn't "Developers didn't believe in Windows so they kept making games for DOS", it was DOS allowed games to access hardware directly while in Windows mode software ran a lot slower. Hence DirectX was pitched as a solution to that problem (though it wouldn't really be worth a damn till DX5/6 came around). But yes, it was absolutely about MS' commitment to XBox. They weren't willing to get out of the picture entirely and let say OpenGL become the dominant graphics technology on their platform but given the choice of selling you a game on XBox or PC they'd have much preferred you buy the game on XBox because they got software licensing fees on Xbox. This is the reason why they initially cancelled Alan Wake for PC (the legendary "we looked at it and realized some games just play better on the couch" quote), why Halo and Gears stopped coming out on PC, why GFWL was such a half-baked mess it actually subtracted value from the games it was included in... Look at it this way. Could you really picture Steam taking off in a hypothetical alternate past where Microsoft set up their own gaming store, preinstalled on every Windows machine, packed with all of Microsoft's own exclusive first-party titles and as many third-party titles as a company with the reach of Microsoft could attract? Because I really can't, or at least not to remotely to the same degree. Valve's growth was made possible by the void of MS' absence.

[@choopoopoo]

Wow bill gates paranoia comments

[@godribbon]

Great episode, and great to see the Battle of the Bands come back. I wonder about Phil's candidness, it IS strange, it makes me wonder if he's on his way out or not. He's similar to Reggie in that he straddles the line between cold hard business and warm approachability really well.

[@RappingNinja]

I think I know what Phil Spencer was playing at. Especially in light of the decision by the CMA. I think he was intentionally playing up how Microsoft is “losing,” Xbox “can’t compete” - he’s starting his work to change the perception that Microsoft + Activision would be an unstoppable juggernaut. This is all a play to change the conversation around the acquisition to “This is our only chance to even be competitive.”

[@bobbywrtm]

@@exoo-2801 but what if that the facts that CMA even can't deny anymore?

[@Halo3ninja28]

It's too late for that crap. Should have released the game in 2022 if that was the goal. Truth is, Phil is a serial bungler and so is Xbox in general. The things Phil said about Sony? All true. The CMA doesn't care. It's about the cloud more than anything.

[@based-ys9um]

​@@bobbywrtmthe CMA did the right thing

[@wakannnai1]

​@@bobbywrtmThe CMA doesn't care about competitiveness in the console space. If Microsoft can't "compete" in the console space, then the CMA doesn't care. The CMA is more focused on the Cloud aspect. Google at the very least filed a complaint in respect to this. Making a case for "not being competitive in the console space" is not going to sway the CMA. Phil is purposefully omitting information though. What he really meant is making good games and XBOX's current business model with Gamepass are fundamentally not compatible. Microsoft, however, is not very interested in abandoning this subscription model or cloud gaming. Ultimately, Sony (and by extension Nintendo) were absolutely right. We've seen a recovery by the PS3 on the back of good high quality games during the PS3/X360 era mind you. It's definitely possible for Microsoft to make a recovery off of the back of high quality games. However, giving up gamepass and the cloud? I don't think Satya would be willing to let that go.

[@raskolnikov6443]

@@wakannnai1 tbf I think Sonys games aren’t good either these days (better but not great).

[@postjm9]

You said "battle of the bands" and I just started grinning crazily on my front porch.

[@quagthias]

Reminds me of the mandatory update with Brandon Jones as Phil Spencer. "Phil, please, you don't have to do this. We already like you." Can't believe you sang a battle of the bands with an irritated diaphragm. Kyle, we appreciate it, but you don't have to do that, we already like you.

[@otterdonnelly9959]

We need a sequel to Jones as Phil

[@ShowerSkeleton]

man the very ending of this got me good. Another fantastic Delayed Input, thanks Kyle.

[@MarkusAxunIllianus]

I think this is a calculated statement to weaken the appearance of xbox and microsoft, to give the ABK deal a better chance.

[@megawarrior543]

Basically. He’s regurgitating the same arguments Microsoft has made to regulators.

[@testsubject157]

Yeah, go on some lameass Xbox podcast 😂 I bet all members of the board listen weekly. That’ll show em

[@mrshmuga9]

@@testsubject157 Media will report it in a ton of article headlines. So the news will get out there.

[@MarkusAxunIllianus]

@@testsubject157 we are talking about it. Every gaming news site will have an article about it.

[@testsubject157]

@@MarkusAxunIllianus Are you the CMA?

[@tonyborris9584]

Which delayed input episode was the one where kyle talks about the call of duty twitter fight? Can't find it.

[@KyleBosman]

It wasn't a real twitter fight, but it's this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqali6yJfcisrbM

[@benfranklincatappleshark]

honestly, i feel like a week off helped strengthen your thesis way more. Really good episode, bossie

[@darthmarth87]

This week may go down in history as Uncle Phil's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Week, morale's gotta be pretty bad over there in Xboxland. Feel kinda bad, even as someone who doesn't really play on Xbox I know that a strong Xbox is good for the industry - keeping a fire lit under Sony's arse is important as we've seen in the past lol

[@victory7763]

Nintendo exists...

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

​@@victory7763 They don't directly compete with Sony anymore

[@victory7763]

@Cynthia Andoh How not? They are competing for the same wallets in the console market as Sony and Microsoft. You think just because their console doesn't run at 4K 60 fps that their console is free? $300 isn't cheap no matter how you try to spin it. So does Nintendo just have no competitor? By your logic Nintendo is without a competitor and therefore shoudlnt have to make good games because there are somehow not in the console market in your mind. They are in the consolr market. Console gamers have to make choices everyday, and buying a game is buying a game, doesn't matter which console it is. Many console market customers are about to choose to buy Zelda Tears of thr Kingdom, and save money by not buying Redfall. Nintendo isn't some outside force that somehow doesn't have to make themselves appealing vs paying for something on Sony or Xbox. They still have to compete for the attention of gamers like the other too. Gametime is important and they make sure time is spent playing on their platform vs the others. Shill media made you all think consoles are only viable competitors if they run at high specs; Nintendo is proving them wrong every year. They are not only apart of the console market, they are NUMBER 2 and very close to number 1. Respect Nintendo.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

@@victory7763 They aren't. Nintendo is no longer competing in the high end stationary console business. If you can't see that, idk how to help to. That's not saying they're not competition at all, but it's obvious how Xbox is more of a direct competitor to PlayStation than Nintendo is since they do their own thing

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

@@victory7763 And you said the whole lot of nothing in that paragraph. A lot of which I never argued Xbox and PlayStation/Nintendo are all apart of the same space, but they're not direct competitors as they used to once be. Nintendo went off to do their own thing on purpose. And they're thriving doing that. Not a hard concept to grasp

[@terogamer345]

What i find the most crazy of all is that the interviewer asked him about the Xbox console and what are they going to do in the future with it and instead of just talking about their platform Phil goes on to talk about losing, Sony, Nintendo, great games not being enough. Its so weird. I know people are trying to defend that and sure he may have some points but it sounded way too defeatist and console warish for no reason.

[@jimmythegamer2231]

Lol no. Most people who think he was being 'defeatist' are also the same people that were taking his words out of context. It's not defending, it's stating the facts.

[@rokku3777]

The fact what Kyle is up-to-date with One Piece is surprising as hell and I LOVE IT

[@bjornzexi535]

The Battle of the Bands bit brings me back ❤ loving the videos as usual!

[@theratking261]

This was an incredible episode. Maybe the best one so far.

[@glungusgongus]

Genuinely might be the best Delayed Input

[@sharkulashairstylist5505]

Because you can't beat Infinite on legendary or find the skulls....?

[@ALL-rf9gl]

I subscribed 🤷

[@jediknight4316]

You're sick

[@msab4883]

Gamepass mentality really ruined Xbox ips, AAA cost over 100 M and doubt GP subs could cover that cost. That’s why latest Halo went f2p and full microtransaction

[@Francis-of8cw]

I read that Sony made 6.2 Bil from Games Sales last year. Microsoft is already making 1 Bil each quarter from Gamepass, so 4 Bil a year. They passed 30 million subscribers, so they need to get to 45 million to earn equal revenue from games as Sony (50% growth). Sony sells more consoles, but they don't make money on those, just like Microsoft. There's people who buy consoles and buy 1 game a year max. I think the economics of GamePass work in Microsofts favor and they are going to earn more money per customer. There's a reason all big media companies are going towards subscription services... Just my thoughts.

[@msab4883]

@@Francis-of8cw there are tons of 3rd party titles on GP and they all take a peiece of that revenue, i have series X since the release date and it's been downhill with many betas and previews of games still in developments, when i subbed Capcom and SE were fully supporting the service still here and there but now mostly indie games that you get for free from Epic store or at low price from Humble

[@mrshmuga9]

@@Francis-of8cw People say subscriptions like streaming services make “so much money”, and then you find out they’re all lying about their viewership ratings to get more investors to pay for it. Not to mention (check out “Upper Echelon”) that ratings systems include things like social media interaction as part of “viewership” instead of strictly people who subscribe and watch that show. It’s much easier to calculate value off a sold product. Pay $20 for a movie, and the studio gets X. Streaming isn’t that clear cut. User pays $15/m, but watches a variety of things, to varying lengths. The amount of new subs around a show’s launch and if they view it might be more clear, but the company is going to be paying licensing fees for things that don’t get watched/“make money”. It’s partly why Netflix is introducing a tier with ads (along with other streaming services doing the same). Not just because people took some of their shows (that too), but it’s not making as much money as people think, for what it costs to pay for everything involved.

[@cainola]

that battle of the bands Final Bosman bit has lived rent free in my head for years

[@devinhill9514]

Honestly I respect Phil for being honest. It was a little harsh some of the things but he was honest and I respect that more. With All these companies releasing the same crap apologies. Phil came on a podcast and was just straight up

[@victory7763]

Finally. I don't even own an Xbox and never will. But his level of honesty was quite shocking. And a lot of what he said went over people's heads. They are basically just using what he said to keep the fanboy console war crap going, despite him making it apparent that they are fighting a different battle (perhaps bigger)

[@PixelBaller]

Favourite episode, just so well articulated. Kyle is definitely winning.

[@gaffyh1745]

Love the Battle of the Bands throwback! Now i need to know what Jim Ryan's reaction is in this whole skit Kyle

[@duerf5826]

Writing was already on the wall when Don Mattrick went on stage to introduce the XBONE in May 2013. XBOX would become less and less of a physical box and more of a service. MS gaming is going to operate more like Netflix instead of Sony or Nintendo.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

Ah good old Donny Dipshit, really Microsoft need to fire their XBOX marketing team, if I were in charge I could guarantee at the very least a less self damaging brand.

[@rudeboyspodcast]

The fact that Phil didn't even try to do PR speak for the game like "we're dedicated to fixing it with patches and content supporting it in the future" like MAYBE it'll be worth $20 on sale down the line (which it won't be, btw) and just honestly basically saying "it's bad. It's not worth $70, don't give us your money" is shocking. Arkane Austin must feel absolutely horrible right now.

[@alepizzetti]

Actually, he says that in the interview...

[@Aussie27Legend]

especially when they clearly know shit ain't ready

[@17Haru17]

Most Beth games are great, y’all are just haters. Not Redfall tho lol, it clearly had development troubles that Prey and Dishonored didn’t.

[@maharaja101]

I did like that Phil straight up admitted that the game sucks. They should've never in a million years shipped a first party exclusive in a state like this and hopefully this shitstorm serves as a catalyst for positive changes within Xbox.

[@Leitefsj]

I knew the game was bad when a character description reads "The telekinetic threat in student debt"

[@iamnovinov]

This was EXPERTLY written Kyle. I gotta say. AMAZING job. Sooooo creatively broken down. I remember you since you popped on the scene at Gametrailers back in the heyday! Good to see you still kickin up genius with that dope personality and smartz mane!

[@TheMeunier88]

I can never watch a Bisman video without having "this is the story of a girl" stuck in my head. Keep up the good work Kyle.

[@Badalight]

Did Kyle just spoil the unreleased chapter of One Piece?

[@clydu91]

Not really

[@LordYggdrasill]

I stopped watching after the escape from Dressrosa, but I never knew there was a "red" poneglyph.

[@glungusgongus]

@@LordYggdrasill that's how you get the One Piece

[@sKullkidi]

You gotta love how Phil sort of insinuates that they could have released plenty of amazing games but they just chose not to because it wouldn't move the needle in the console market. My God 🤦‍♀️

[@davidgreen4712]

Glad you're back Kyle, and I hope you're feeling better. As always, excellent placement for the honk.

[@thomasomalley121]

Like a lot of others have said: Great show. You have a unique and excellent sense of analysis. Take time off when you need it. You don’t internet people to tell you that. But this is a great example of what happens when people take care of themselves.

[@paulmaloney4387]

I can't believe we got another Bosman "Battle of the Bands" sketch

[@UHYVE]

Man, I always feel kinda bad for Phil Spencer and I think it's entirely because of that "Update, Mandatory" episode where Brandon Jones parodied him.

[@Shadowdestroyer65]

The car horn placement this week. Perfect.

[@StrompsXD]

Did any of you guys remember which episode it was introduced?

[@jperkinstheatre]

I got that One Piece reference Thank you good sir Glad to see you too enjoy some One Piece

[@joerogers7782]

He probably should not have said what he said. But he’s not wrong Sony and Nintendo are beloved brands that people have an emotional attachment to. Cause of great games and great marketing. People just look at MS as an evil empire. And I say this as someone who only owns an Xbox.

[@ShadowWolfQc]

They are an evil empire...and I say that as someone who works in IT dealing with those dickheads every week lol

[@kylebookout1789]

Great comment!

[@C2190]

he said it himself when he first got hired that he wanted better communication between him and the fans so i’m not surprised by his candor

[@omensoffate]

15 years ago?

[@Scottoest]

I feel like people have been wilfully misunderstanding what Spencer actually said, because the misunderstanding is spicier than his actual words. He's not saying they've given up on consoles, or that their future is in Game Pass and xCloud - he said they're not going to beat Sony at Sony's game, which is to say win the console marketshare "race" any time soon. That doesn't mean giving up on consoles - it means accepting that console marketshare is nowhere near as malleable as it used to be, because digital libraries and online ecosystems really took off during the PS4/Xbone generation and entrenched people like phone ecosystems have. Tens of millions of consoles are still going to be an important part of their strategy, as will trying to give people a good reason to buy one - but it also means PC, services like Game Pass, and perhaps cloud at some point down the line. None of these statements are even new for Spencer - he simply expressed things more starkly than usual with the "out-consoling" line, and the one about no single 11/10 game fundamentally changing console marketshare. Years and years of Sony-tier critically acclaimed titles would likely start to bend that marketshare graph in their favour, but no single game (or even year of games) is going to do it. The CMA's decision was based on an assumption that cloud gaming is an imminently emerging market that is going be really large in the next handful of years (they literally said they thought it was "likely" ABK would have their own cloud service within the next two years), and a questionable interpretation of cloud gaming marketshare that considered ALL XGP subscribers as Microsoft cloud gaming customers, but simultaneously then didn't, say, include all Amazon Prime subs as Luna subscribers despite the fact that Prime comes with a catalogue of games on that service.

[@ComBo1020]

The One Piece line was fucking classic. Bossman + One Piece = sex.

[@maharaja101]

Microsoft should pay 100 million, or however much it takes, to get Sakaguchi back for one last hurrah. It's time for Lost Odyssey 2.

[@andrewsqual]

Not enough. He simply does not want to go near Xbox, how hard is that for people to accept.

[@Rob-gs8lq]

This video didn't age well. 🙁 Where's your video update on Microsoft acquiring ABK? lmao

[@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et]

What are your thoughts now?.............

[@Rob-gs8lq]

@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et I think the gaming industry is shifting towards a digital services only model where you'll be able to play your games on any device. Consoles will be obsolete and Sony will follow in the footsteps of Microsoft. Keep in mind the video had nothing to do with the current (rumors) in regards to Microsoft, it was about Microsoft acquiring ABK which they did, so yes this video aged like Milk.

[@jonathanhamilton86]

I like to think that this is the video that was the main catalyst for the "business event" next week

[@jesser4221]

For totally different reasons, when someone read this, (02/07/2024) next week they will make an important update about their "business" and once again we can say... Xbox will never win.

[@Kango234]

3 months later and this is somehow even more relevant.

[@Amonimus]

"It's like Buggy the Clown trying to find the red poneglyph" I have a feeling that's exactly what will happen. e: No way.

[@neilwalker6203]

Hey Phil. Did you scroll all the way down to this one?

[@upncoming5545]

Battle of the bands!! Nice throwback 🙌🏾

[@TheKrossos]

This is actually what I don't understand about Microsoft, and Phils comment about not being able to "outconsole" Sony and Nintendo just further confuses me.... Why did they even release another console? Why did Microsoft not say: "We want Gamepass to be a success, we should act as a publisher only". Deals like Zenimax and Activision aquisitions are obiously long in the making, and the negotioations certainly started a couple of years ago. If Microsoft had withdrawn from the console market, they could've released their games and GP on PC, Playstation and (partly) Nintendo. Sure Sony and Nintendo would've wanted a fee from GP, but the potential reach would have been far far greater. Im not saying this wouldve been good for us consumers, because less competition is always bad, but from Microsofts PoV it would've made sense imo.

[@hubhikarilives]

This was my favorite episode of yours yet! Great flow of ideas throughout

[@jonathangarmuth8975]

Have they been deconsoled?

[@DroneCorpse]

Don’t let him see this, but Bosman is a national treasure.

[@PlayStationAndNintendo]

Please do a podcast version too, thanks!

[@mrchiefbs]

CAN WE GET A FULL CUT OF THE BATTLE OF THE BANDS SONG KYLE PLEASE

[@glungusgongus]

Amazing fucking Delayed Input Kyle. Easily one of the best ones I've watched. The number of comments in here is genuinely sick. Try to keep the One Piece nerdiness out of it tho.

[@stevensavage2684]

The battle of the bands! XD XD That was wtf levels of funny! God I love Kyle!

[@ieatbatteries7]

forever the best bosman bit.

[@Tokumei-no-B]

Then I bet you'll the Final Bosman video called "Battle of the bands"

[@Aussie27Legend]

Hot take: That horus fight *is* more rad than I expected it to be.

[@superbro6413]

Can you make _all_ analogies One Piece-themed moving forward? Thanks

[@nothanks514]

This was such a nuanced take on the subject. Loving the One Piece analogies btw. Great job!

[@cloudair4154]

i wrote an essay like a year or two ago where i talked about how sega used to fight tooth and nail against nintendo and how microsoft doesn't fight sony at all... that essay holds up today

[@Alic4444]

You don't think trying to buy up over half the developers in the entire game industry is a major attempt at attacking your main competitors? Not everyone has the same approach. Sega's work was more on the creative side, but becoming the one platform holder with aquisitions is Microsoft's main strategy over their entire history.

[@cloudair4154]

​@@Alic4444 how old are you? i don't mean that negatively but i wonder if you're old enough to remember microsoft's history.. they used to buy companies just to remove them from the pool of competition.. am i saying this is what they're doing exactly? not necessarily, but it is important to understand that an acquisition may very well not mean what we generally think it means.. generally we think "great! a new acquisition! more games on the way!" its not that simple though.. and there is evidence of this because ms has been buying studios for years and under NO circumstance has their output or quality paralleled the amount of new talent we've been led to believe they've acquired... as a matter of fact, ms has had major layoffs this year... and if i'm not mistaken, some of those are in the gaming division.. so just keep in mind that its not as cut and dry as "microsoft is aquiring studios and talent" especially when that headline is followed up with news of layoffs soon after.. which we've most certainly seen from ms recently.. they may not be doing what we all want them to do with said "acquisitions" ... and on a more simple note.. some of the studios they've bought- we haven't heard from since

[@AcceleratorTF2]

Obscure and obtuse One Piece analogies need to be a regular thing here.

[@JohnGuyJohn]

This was…highly informative. Kudos to Phil Spencer for being that real.

[@maleksamman1]

It *is* true that Xbox marketshare won't shift overnight if they build great games. It *will* shift over time, but not all-of-a-sudden

[@goldengrill769]

"We didn't do a good job early on in engaging with Arkane Austin to really help them understand what it meant to be part of Xbox and part of first party and use some of our internal resources to help them and kind of move along that journey even faster." - Phil Spencer OUCH

[@mrshmuga9]

Not surprised. They mismanaged what studios they had during the Xbox One generation. Adding more to that just means more mismanaged studios. The only ones that’ll work out fine are the ones that could already manage themselves.

[@mappybc6097]

​@@mrshmuga9 Hmm. That's Turn Ten, the Forza studio. And......nah, that's all. Rest are s**t at project management. Ah, I just remembered Phil put Turn Ten to work on the next Fable rpg game, a genre they have zero experience with, using the Forza engine.....

[@mrshmuga9]

@@mappybc6097 I’d add the Gears studio. Forza and Gears seem to be the only studios with consistent quality. Ya putting them on Fable sounds… not great, given MS’ management track record. If they have any problems. Using the Forza engine sounds stupid. I know there’s licensing fees but use Unreal at that point. Who knows though. Horizon (adventure) was made by the Killzone team (shooter), and Hogwarts Legacy (adventure) was made by the Disney Infinity team of all things. …okay they also did Tak, and some other licensed adventure games, but they were all small scale. Hogwarts Legacy was their first AAA game. I wouldn’t say I’m convinced though. More like “I’ll be surprised if it’s just mediocre”.

[@JustFun-ho6qy]

I thought it was Playground working on Fable? If that is the case, I pray to god they'll at least replace the Forza Horizon writing team.

[@Highlaw]

Kyle's mission is to accelerate my OLED's burn-in with that shirt.

[@throwawaymcgee5883]

For the next episode, can you start the outro fade song way early? Like 2 minutes ahead of where you would normally do it? Just this long, slow, confusing ramp in volume where people think "am I hearing music? What is that?" to "Oh the episode is about to end, Kyle's making his final points..." to "What is going on?" to "Which sentence is the last sentence?" to "this bit is making me uncomfortable and I'm having a hard time paying attention". I want someone to do this and I feel like you're the only person in the world this would be on-brand for.

[@goranisacson2502]

This sounds absolutely awful, and he should absolutely do it.

[@ovoon777]

Thanks Kyle! I've seen every episode and this one is my favorite!

[@NoahNCopeland]

7:35 when the Battle of the Bands show goes from network TV to a streaming service

[@faboo2001]

Wow, I thought that Twisted Metal pic at the end was a fake. Kinda wish it was to be honest

[@impact9310]

My ADHD kicked in and I started wondering where the car horn was…. *honk*

[@0x8badbeef]

That is not what he meant by they are not in the business to out-console. They are in the business to provide services. When Xbox was popular it was during Xbox 360. But it wasn't the console. It was Xbox Live. He did say their goal is to bring friends together and play. Since both Sony and Nintendo have been slow with online services this is also a logical niche to carve. So why not stay focused on it. It is prudent to leverage what you already are ahead of than to play catch up. In today's economy it is stupid to take risks. Even Nintendo is playing it safe by keeping their old Switch.

[@econosopher]

I don't think people understood what Phil said. I also think that he should have been more explicit. When he talked about making great games to flip the sales, he was talking to the fanboys who want Xbox to sell more consoles than PlayStation in order to win. He should have added that they were going to make great games, not only to sell consoles but also to attract more people to Gamepass and Xcloud.

[@InnerRise]

Riiiiiiiight bc they already arent pushing gamepass everyday of every second around every corner everytime somebody from that company speaks. 😑🙏🏿

[@econosopher]

@@InnerRise Yes but fanboys who just want them to beat PlayStation in consoles sold don't see that. Phil was talking about the console part.

[@zodiac909]

Bruh Easy Allies will NEVER be the same without Bosman, Jones, and Ben Moore.

[@Bobio]

That honk was next level stuff.

[@MysticVeil]

i dont see any way a ceo would admit defeat and weaken their brand so publicly. even the release of Redfall in the state that its in is very fishy. Every thing that happened recently is by design.

[@Teja]

I think you should take more breaks cos analysis like this is what’s needed. I think you had more time to digest this which made you give great points

[@troyl200]

The story of a girl. who cried a river and drowned the whole world. and she looks so bad in photographs but I absolutely love her... when she smiles.

[@AdmiralBison]

Phil Spencer: "We have to put great games in the hands of our players, there's nothing else" Phii Spencer: "Great games is not going to shift Xbox Sales" Xbox360: ????

[@nowayshay]

I didn't know dreamcastguy had a distant cousin

[@h.i.mcdunnough9421]

Low blow

[@virxest]

Their goal should be to run a profitable business, not to take someone over. It was the most incomprehensible statement, if they don't, they're screwed.

[@andrewnall1931]

Awesome episode! Kyle you are the best in the business

[@____spacecadet____]

Man, you really put something together here. Great honk.

[@Alito2]

Kyle, I really love your videos, your perspective is very unique and I appreciate that. Keep going, this show is great

[@ArbitraryZer0101]

What a fairly critical review, so serious that itself made it Bosman humour lol. Also really sad about Redfall, really wanted a decent mordern Left For Dead

[@brandonphilander661]

To be fair if you are losing $100 for every Series S and $200 for every Series X that's really bad business and if you are selling millions of consoles that's billions in losses.

[@ShadowWolfQc]

The games is how they make money the problem is GamePass. No one buys games on Xbox anymore. Even on PC GamePass is killing their sales. Had both PS5 and Xbox series X since launch and still didn't buy a single game on Xbox ... And I'm far from being the only one.

[@AdmiralBison]

Phil Spencer: "We lost a generation with the XboxOne" Microsoft are going to lose the rest with the Xbox Series S/X as it is going towards the direction of Games as services and services.

[@KevinRobertsArt]

Kyle you said the quiet part out loud and I don't know if people are ready to hear it.

[@brodysdaddy]

They’ve been releasing crap since master chief collection. Then he says great games don’t matter…ffs. If you’re still giving these clowns your money, then you deserve exactly what they’re giving you.