YMS: Saw 1-7 (1 of 2)

[@Other_Kev]

I just adore Tobin Bell. "Yeah, the Saw video game. The kids are gonna love it." He knows what's up.

[@FTZPLTC]

He was right, eventually, kinda.

[@quantumblauthor7300]

He's the consistently good part, regardless of how he's written, as Adum says, he carries the series

[@guthax30]

@@quantumblauthor7300 weird story about this: I saw/read an interview with him once where he mentions that he coached his sons little league team and all the 10-13 year olds were so into his movies they scared him. I think this was by the time of movie 3-5 when it was a well-established series.

[@omnimonramone8459]

He has been in a few kids movies now.

[@Triff3599]

Tobin is a chad.

[@vilentman111]

Jigsaw: “I never kill anyone” Jigsaw in every movie: *There is a deadly poison coursing through your veins*

[@theblackbaron4119]

Well the same argument Charles Manson had, when he was rotting in jail. While still having delusions of grandeur.

[@Dorkeydaze]

Yeah I wish Jigsaw would just admit he was evil. I mean Jigsaw is smart; it would be much better if he just admitted that what he does is psychological manipulation, and often times puts people in situations where at least one person must die (In saw 1 Gordon’s family is held captive and he’s told that if he doesn’t kill Adam than his wife and daughter will be killed. So, at least 1 person is guaranteed to die with no way of all of them surviving. From the get go Jigsaw is in-directly responsible for the killing of a at least 1 person.) and just admit that what he does is essentially murder, but that he hopes those who survive come out better then they came in; his philosophy is very pretentious and makes an otherwise intense seem very stupid.

[@Cellidor]

@@Dorkeydaze It's like someone building a death trap in their front yard and camouflaging it so people can't see, and when people step in it and die they go "Hey, I didn't directly kill them, I'm no murderer!". Hell, why don't we go one step further? "I'm not a murderer, I didn't kill them, the knife they were stabbed with did! That I was holding the knife means nothing! What? Someone was shot with my gun while I was holding it? You'd better go arrest those bullets!" It's not just shitty writing, it's downright retarded.

[@markeral2155]

yeah I don't think Jigsaw is going to pass morale check

[@TiffanyRay]

"Ive never killed anyone in my entire life" THEN WHAT ARE THOSE FUCKING TRAPS FOR KRAMER

[@disneydork100]

“A subject who survives my methods is instantly rehabilitated” Yeah except for all the PTSD, mental scarring, survivors guilt, and possible depression Not to mention all the physical damage Jigsaw really sucks as a therapist

[@konstance13]

Man, I was sad about my kid dying, but now I'm so much happier now that my daughter's been kidnapped and I was tricked into killing my wife!

[@WasabiKitCat]

Don’t forget the severe anxiety and potential suicidal thoughts from the depression! Wouldn’t it be funny if someone survived a saw trap, but then killed themselves later from the guilt?

[@Razzy1312]

Jigsaw goes with the "If you have a locust problem buy some rabbits" approach.

[@thesuddendemise7735]

royalcat10 That’s fine until the damn movie tried to convince me otherwise. “Well technically he’s never killed anyone” said Dr.Gordon. WTF KIND OF DISEASED LOGIC IS THIS?! Oh he’s just sticking people into murder traps that require them mutilate themselves or kill others but at the end of the day they did it to themselves. Then there’s the fact that Kramer is a giant hypocrite. Oh you don’t appreciate said the old cancer patient who does nothing but kidnap people and stick them into torture devices.

[@magicMike757]

@@thesuddendemise7735 yes!

[@Beevenhouse]

The funniest part was that 'actress' saying that Jigsaw guy did bad things, but had a good heart... Oh yeah, he's a real sweetheart.

[@robertodell9193]

Reporters ask actors stupid questions and get stupid answers. "What made you want to appear in this movie?" "The paycheck."

[@weevilwizarddotmusic9711]

yeah he just wants snuggles and puppies im sure

[@xercespriest]

“What a cute little puppy! Want to play a game?! One of these three tennis balls has the key to your collar in it. You have 5 minutes to unlock it and free yourself or else the electricity in said collar will turn you into Kibbles and Bits. Hurry up! Times running out. Don’t bark and whine at me. I’m not a killer. You’re killing yourself, you silly puppy. I’m a good guy. “

[@YoutubePizzer]

I'm her defence did you see the movie behind her

[@TheAnhedonicOne]

@@robertodell9193 "You smoke too much. Now ill kidnap you and make you compete in a game you won't win, and will die when you lose" what a saint.

[@danielad8443]

"we will return your son in a safe condition" thats ridiculous no ones ever safe in a saw movie *son is sent back in a safe* well

[@KenzLovesMovies]

esteban julio ricardo montoya de la rosa ramirez that was my favorite part of the second movie. That was great. 10/10.

[@maciasfrancine6983]

Literally a *safe* place

[@archdukefranzferdinand567]

@@maciasfrancine6983 damn, he should have made a joke about that

[@bassmentier]

Safe...because he was in a time-locked box👌🏻

[@kemistree.]

I approve.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Jigsaw torturing a dude for not handling his son's death well is HILARIOUS considering the later developments showing that he BECAME A SERIAL KILLER because of the death of his unborn child.

[@croakinc3670]

Nah because he's forcing them to off themselves which is totally different from murder

[@fungamesandstuffwhy2516]

​@@croakinc3670that's still considered murder

[@croakinc3670]

@@fungamesandstuffwhy2516 I was being sarcastic.

[@Marcelo_DBZ_Music]

​@@fungamesandstuffwhy2516 You must be some kinda genius

[@jamescarr1265]

That was the point

[@OddMike]

"I'm gonna teach these people how to appreciate life by giving them crippling post-traumatic stress disorder and forcing some of them to kill another human being"

[@TehKorwinMikke]

+OddMike It gets even better everytime I see someone defending this psychotic fucker jigsaw, because "hurr durr appreciating life".

[@fourcrippledhorses]

+OddMike Nothing shows people how to love the world and life like the idea that at any time some psychopath could kidnap them and subject them to horrible things.

[@TehKorwinMikke]

fourcrippledhorses Mmmm, that sweet trauma and mutilated body. Maybe soon instead of drugs and therapy, everyone will just put people in deathgames.

[@Franticalmagic]

+Teh Korwin-Mikke (Tayser)Yup, I think it's safe to say that when it comes to crime and punishment. Jigsaw is of a somewhat conservative bent. Policy expert: "Prison isn't working, what should we do?" Jigsaw: "CUT OFF THEIR ARMS AND MAKE THEM EAT RAT GUTS!" Expert: "Uhhh... how about more rehabilitative therapy and better mental health services combined with a holistic approach to social problems like drug addiction that tackle the root causes of our social ills rather than stygmatising them?" Jigsaw: "NO! RAT GUTS AND GORE. THERE WILL BE BLOOD!!!" Expert: "... *sighs*..."

[@AbsoluteTravisT]

+OddMike I've recently marathon'd these with a friend and the whole message of Jigsaw gets so diluted as it goes on. The punishments never equal the reasons they're there, the hints are often unhelpful, the win scenarios are ludicrously specific, and sometimes people just end up killing each other because Jigsaw thought it was a good idea to string together several schemes all at the same time.

[@Sheepy007]

My personal explanation for the beginning of Saw: Jigsaw placed him in the bathtub but his head was above the water on the tub and the moment his head slipped underwater is when he woke up.

[@tomasrosa6996]

oh I like that idea

[@speedbird018]

In your mind what kept his head afloat, I like this idea.

[@abels7254]

+Joe Porter maybe he meant slightly on the tub?

[@WixkedLovy]

Yeah, I thought that was it. Maybe because most people take showers they forget you can rest in a bathtub.

[@Trepanee]

The bathtub could also have been filling slowly and just a few seconds after it passed his mouth he wakes up (although this requires an explanation for no dripping tap)

[@konstance13]

Ok, I personally really hate the whole series, but Saw 3 is the most bullshit attempt at morality I've seen. Who is jigsaw to decide some guy he doesn't know is grieving incorrectly? Like having his daughter kidnapped, trying to save people and failing, and being tricked into killing his wife is gonna make him appreciate life? And he has the gall give the dad the chance to "forgive" him. As if anyone wouldn't just shoot him after being put through that. Ugh.

[@magicfishhobo381]

To be fair I think the point in 3 was that Jigsaw saw that he was letting his grief ruin his life as well as his connection to his daughter. The traps are about making him decide if he's willing to let more people die or if he'll move on and forgive them. This leading up to the final test, forgive Jigsaw or lose his wife, his daughter, and his life. At least that's my take on it.

[@lisbethrivera8851]

Also, didn’t he just leave his daughter an orphan...?

[@jamesbudd3096]

@@magicfishhobo381 so grieving incorrectly justifies torture, mental breakdowns, Killing others, and pushing him to kill his wife? Along with the Insane PTSD afterwards even if he forgave Jigsaw

[@edmilsoneletrica]

@@jamesbudd3096 none of this is justifiable in any way. He's just explaining the characters motivations. He's clearly out of his mind in the way he sees life and acts upon it, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have reasoning behind his methods. Twisted up reasoning, but reasoning nonetheless. That's what the other commenter was explaining. Also, you've got to remember this is just a movie, not a College Paper on how society should work. This movie was made primarily to make money not to make sense. Still can have some sense, like a chess game. Chess is an abstraction of real battles (war), however you can't expect to lead real life battles like a chess game. The analogy only goes to far, still can be fun and make sense in its own realm. The guy (the father) really needed to let go of his hatred/resentment. For his own sake and of his daughter's and wife. How to do that? Counseling, perhaps? Some people just won't take that as a option, so one might think a more drastic measure would do. This is not what I think/believe, but it is a reasoning someone could make. Someone really fucked up in the head, or maybe... perhaps... a character in a movie (made to make money).

[@domagojzrilic6190]

@@edmilsoneletrica The issue isn't really that Jigsaw is fucked up you can have a character like that, just look at Death Note, it covers almost the same themes as Saw but critisises the main characters fucked up philosophy in a way that Saw doesn't. The writers are still pretending like Jigsaw is morally justifiable after all of this it's just bad writing.

[@Linnea-nb2jh]

"ISIS, though there is some confusion, are not killers. They provide you with a choice to be muslim and there are consequences to these choices."

[@Stoweny]

Peps Persson wish I could favorite a comment my god!

[@scotcheggable]

Ibrahim nah they aren't *real* Muslims

[@aderemiporsche]

scotchaggable No True Scotsman, there.

[@scotcheggable]

Aderemi Porsche that is literally isis' opinion of non-jihadis

[@susanq6030]

@@Selvyre yeah I'm sure they'd all be jumping at the opportunity to align themselves with terrorists. That poll means nothing.

[@Slay1337pl]

Someone should make a super-cut of all the Saw movies with scenes in chronological order.

[@iain2080]

+No Name All of them as in put the movies in chronological order seeing as they are so non linear

[@napkin60]

They jump around backward and forward in time so much, it would be much simpler and enjoyable to have them in chronological order

[@jamescoppolino9144]

Slay the quality would be really inconsistent

[@char7403]

Someone did I think

[@vroscience]

who lol.

[@LarsRR]

One thing I always found very stupid about Saw traps is the super short time that you have to escape. Usually the time is barely enough to make it, even if you start right away. It makes it seem like a contest where you are not taught anything, but have to be very quick in your decision. Wouldn’t there be more of a lesson if you had more time and would take the decision to go through agony and pain to stay alive more actively? When I wake up, and have one minute to live, I just react out of panic. There is no conscious decision being made and thus no lesson to be learnt. Just my humble opinion.

[@CaptainDoomsday]

SAW 3D was the epitome of this issue. The guy did literally everything he was supposed to but still failed every single trial, the last one because it was literally impossible and WHOEVER made it (implied to be John but Hoffman fits the timeline better) made it impossible on purpose. Which, redundantly, is another case of Jigsaw murdering someone (completely innocent by his own admission this time).

[@Char-mv3fc]

@@CaptainDoomsday I wish it was *near* impossible. I mean, lying about something like going through Saw? He kinda was biting himself in the butt. The "your glutes can support your whole body weight" thing was a bit... No.

[@randompromises1038]

@@Char-mv3fc as much as he kinda had it coming for lying about something kind of impossible, his wife never deserved this mess. she didn't even know she was being lied to, so why was she even in a trap??

[@Char-mv3fc]

@@randompromises1038 Yes! Such a poor decision. Granted, some other characters were forced to die (Hank, for example, when it was either him or the other person) but his wife had nothing to do with the situation. She supported him unknowingly since she didn't know it was a lie.

[@xunholyx-kn9fu]

the short time limit is there to see (in jigsaws words) “who truely has the will to live”. if they can survive within a short time limit it shows they really want to live, however none of these traps with those time limits would work in real life

[@Blunderbuss09]

I'd really *really* like to see a movie where some Saw-esque villain is trying to kill the protagonist ... who happens to be an engineer, and figures out ways to dismantle or circumvent the traps. That'd be great.

[@radd0_]

Blunderbuss09 on it

[@RebrandYourselfFor]

To me that would be boring I'd rather have a villain with real motives

[@ThreadBomb]

Jigsaw vs Macgyver

[@yamesswole2816]

"I want to play a game. In front of yo- wait what? What're you- stop that! No, don't! Get back in the trap!"

[@cloverchan1008]

That'd be actually pretty cool

[@albatross4920]

doesn't saving others mean you value life? why would saw punish a good trait?

[@abillypuppet]

You're endangering yourself, I guess.

[@SuperLordGaming]

So be selfish and save your own ass then? Gr8 moral

[@ej4j4i38wGwgeb8]

cuz he wants him 2 b selfish so he can torture him again. (the pronoun game s strong)

[@tibahkhan5397]

Cameron Duvall Because Jigsaw is a pussy

[@StabbedMeat]

Cameron Duvall It's supposed to mean that even if you save people, they don't deserve to be. I.E., the hooker who was saved, then immediately tried to kill the cop.

[@JktuUekmw]

Okay, the only sequel possible now with potential is Saw: The Musical

[@KitwaIker]

Oleh Gults FJHSJDJDKD

[@jborrego2406]

Omg they better not lol

[@BigBoinkus]

Y E S

[@NoWayItsSeph]

John Kramer: **does a funny dance and sings** 🎼you have to get out and sacrifice your flesh to survive or you all die!!🎼

[@itskazooie3461]

Kill magical kill Die wonderful dying You're hope and dreams are not what they seem Its a great day for saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwww. Saw 69 the musical.

[@Jimsehy]

It's really ridiculous how many see Jigsaw as "not a killer." Hell he even straight up murders Asian dude in the first movie.

[@deadshot0908]

No tHe TrAP dID

[@cheezellopp9865]

Pretty sure that was the asian guy from 13 reasons why

[@jamesbudd3096]

No, he didn't kill them. He just killed himself by walking into a trap Jigsaw setup so he didn't really kill him i guess😂 should have payed attention

[@Lucidopherus]

James Budd i can’t tell if you’re serious.

[@jamesbudd3096]

@@Lucidopherus I'm being sarcastic😉

[@katawatenshu]

oh, jigsaw was the origormi killer

[@juliespicy]

Jigsaw was the zodiac killer as well

[@brashlybold8805]

SHAUN

[@PurpleIndigoChannel]

He's not a killer, he's a...

[@brashlybold8805]

Seriously though Detroit better not be like Hard rain was, ick the timed event sequences haunt me in my dreams.

[@xtraweivy]

isnt it origarmi?

[@theslasherof78]

Really the only thing that kept me watching these movies was Tobin Bell's performances. He's a fantastic actor and truly sells this madman who believes he's actually helping people.

[@tlou_msmsmsm]

For me it was the traps alone. I found myself watching all three Cube movies for the puzzles despite the subpar acting.

[@theslasherof78]

@@tlou_msmsmsm Oh for sure. Some of them were legitimately terrifying. Like, the Shotgun Carousel, the Brazen Bull, and the Needle Pit were genuinely scary to imagine being in.

[@cnvrgnt]

@@theslasherof78The brazen bull is easily a contender for the most painful trap. Literally roasting alive in a metal coffin

[@Icykrissy]

Tobin Bell stood out in the entire series. His acting, his voice, his delivery, just the tone he sets itself makes this franchise impeccable.

[@BearWindAppleyard]

+Kristina Savic He has a really great aura and villain like quality to him, just a shame he's in this franchise.

[@robertyeah2259]

I cannot tell the difference between Strom and Hoffman, they look too damn similar. I'm very dyslexic when it comes to the human face.

[@blackwaltz463]

I don’t have any kind of dyslexia and even I get confounded by them some times.

[@deidreferguson9024]

+Thunder Bull me too69 don't let them bully you...🇰🇷

[@DaArcaneNinja]

Fuck I thought I was the only one. I had to think "this the guy that stabbed own throat? I can't see any bandages."

[@robertyeah2259]

SUBTERRANEAN SUSPECT Trying to tell them apart made the story even more difficult to follow.

[@Clorox.Bleach]

haha

[@denniswilliams6519]

Jigsaw: You need to learn how to appreciate life. Also Jigsaw: Say girl go rip a key out of that guy's gut to save yourself. You'll both grow so much from this experience.

[@FTZPLTC]

I thiiiiink the idea is that the people who have to die for others to win their games are people who already lost their games, so it doesn't matter if they die.

[@myishenhaines1706]

Lol

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@FTZPLTC except by saw 3 thats total lie he just outright captures peoples INNOCENT by his own admisison family members to use in his traps cause apparently killing innocent people is fine if it teaches the guilty to appericate life BULLLLLLLSSHHHHHHHITTTTE.

[@FTZPLTC]

@@wilmagregg3131 - Yeah, I'm definitely not going to argue that Jigsaw's philosophy isn't bullshit. But tbh I think that makes the series better - because the point isn't that his moral code is right, but that *he* thinks it is.

[@royalblanket]

@@FTZPLTC But that isn't explored. It's a good concept, but everyone treats him like an angel behind the scenes

[@reecyclebin]

The next twist in Saw is Shyamalan directed it all

[@TheGililgi]

Lmao

[@gummigamer4614]

Reece Impartial After Earth took that twist

[@TheDudeWithTheHatN2]

HOLY SHIT!

[@zad_rasera]

That answers a lot of questions...

[@hotheadedmax9961]

That would actually make sense

[@SharkBait19904]

I think most people just watched the SAW franchise to see all the traps and to see people die.

[@MaximumMadnessStixon]

Actually to be fair, most of the hardcore series fans grew tired of the traps pretty quickly and were more interested in seeing where the story went. That's why once they announced that the last film would have the "most traps" (aka the producers trying way too hard to attract casual moviegoers with insane visuals) most fans let out a depressive sigh because we knew that meant far less time to resolve the plotlines in a satisfactory manner. The message boards were always full of people theorizing where the story and characters would go... almost never was the fan's focus on the traps.

[@agatlingpea2232]

SharkBait19904 yeah.....

[@retrogamelover2012]

Curse you, man's fascination of violence!!

[@lordblueballs7293]

Doesn't make em good movies

[@IIMaRVII]

+MaximumMadnessStixon yeah... I like to watch Martyrs and Serbian Film, because of the story. I also like to play Manhunt, because the story is really interesting and ive watched plenty of porn (I skipped the actual porn, because people underestimate the story in between...) You can also find me on rekt threads on 4chan, reading the comment section and my favourite game is Heavy Rain (except for the story)

[@AntiNihilist]

Say what you want about the decline in quality or whatever, you have to give credit to the director for letting Tobin Bell do anything he wanted.

[@randompromises1038]

man was pretty much breaking his back carrying the entire franchise, i'd let him have all the freedom he wanted if i were the director too

[@piecrumbs9951]

So, give credit to the director for being less talented than the actors in his movie? No, I don't think I will.

[@AntiNihilist]

@@piecrumbs9951 the director is less talented but he's smart enough to take advantage of the people around him who are more talented. That's something that most directors either won't do or can't do. By using Tobin Bell to the fullest of his abilities, he kept a good relationship with the actor, and added a spark of personality to the movies that most productions end up lacking. There's plenty of movies today that have big name actors but either don't have them do anything of note in a cameo, or has them as major characters with rigid, lame scripts. Saw avoided this for most of the series with Tobin Bell, and the director is the one responsible for allowing it to work out

[@piecrumbs9951]

@@AntiNihilist I mean I'm kinda sick if people acting like Tobin Bell is some kind of genius. He's decent at best. The dialogue in the Saw movies is absolutely terrible and the plot is really nothing special. Tobin Bell's performance in the sequels were probably the most entertaining part of those movies but he still isn't amazing. I know he's probably bad because of the shitty writing and directing but still. And plenty of directors allow actors to write aspects of their characters. Don't act like that is uncommon. Bryan Cranston was crucial to many aspects of Walter White's character, Tywin Lannister's character in GoT is largely written by his actor, The cast of SNL is largely improvisation, Robin Williams improvised in his role in Alladin and they literally animated off of his improvisation! And all of those directors who allowed actors to improvise and write their characters were much more talented than the director for the Saw movies. So it's not some uncommon practice to allow actors to write. It is extremely common. I'm not giving props to the director because Tobin made the shitty nonsensical trap less shitty and nonsensical and the director was like "oh yeah good idea."

[@bink]

Too bad he didn't decide to prevent them from making any more sequels

[@InfectedBlowjob]

Tobin Bell's a great actor (see his appearances in Seinfeld, Stargate, Walker, Texas Ranger and 24.) Shame he'll always be remembered as "the Jigsaw guy."

[@ava4398]

Exactly..

[@almightymaz2122]

+Edward Cullen He passed away?

[@PizzaHutAsuka]

almighty maz "He'll always be remembered" doesn't mean he's dead. It mean that that's how people _will_ remember him.

[@onkkell]

...and the kids are really gonna enjoy it.

[@talkinghoorse6936]

eli roth fans too..

[@RickC28]

Yep. Everyone should watch it.

[@char7403]

If they are little enough they might like it, Saw and Saw 2 flesh and blood are shitty games, AllShamNoWow and Super Beard Bros did lets plays of it and you should check it out if you want a good laugh

[@Bananaman559]

Another reason to love tobin bell

[@evillemperor5447]

To be fair, he’s over 60, he’ll refer to anyone 15-27ish as a kid

[@severeenjoyment6775]

Man, it’s so crazy hearing Adum’s voice like this. He’s changed and solidified his style so much since this.

[@BlueJayBlues]

To be honest, in Saw 4, I don't understand Jigsaws thought process. Yeah, you save people, and that's bad. I'm gonna put you through a nightmare living hell to teach you that saving people is bad.

[@austinparks7428]

The idea is that saving everyone is harmful to you and the people around you as that some people don't deserve to be saved because if they are saved they will harm or kill others, IE. the pedophile who would go on to rape again, or the hooker who tried to kill the cop after she was saved.

[@thelargeemployer]

honestly I thought it was jigsaw making an example out of the guy trying to stop his "saving process"

[@AbsoluteTravisT]

+TheAngryBirdArmy I get the specific irony of him going through a door without checking it, but otherwise who would ever just understand that vague Jigsaw video as 'sit around all day and not do anything and then maybe the next day or two I'll hear on the news that Eric and Hoffman got out fine'.

[@RepublicAgent]

The writers messed up is why it makes no sense. Character integrity means little against profit.

[@TheDakattack3000]

the idea of four is that for the cop, his obsession for saving and pursuing people clouds his judgement and rationality. its suppose to mean he takes risks for throwing himself into danger. obsession is usually something that you can't control and knowing the context of jigsaws previous logic, you are suppose to understand what you did wrong how do you solve it. he got caught up pursuing traps and saving the dude that the very obsession of saving someone ironically killed them. he didn't have to play the game. the woman in the chair misread the message and tried to kill him but all they had to do was talk about what happened and they would've got out. as for the voyeur, he did not have to do any of that. he did not have to kidnap him, he did not have to kill essentially he was obsessed with progressing that he overlooked the simple idea of avoiding it altogether. when he gets to the door for the final test, he was so distraught with the deaths that he recoiled back to the original way he wanted to save people and learned nothing by jigsaws logic and failed. I actually like that whole speel.

[@AtheniCuber]

Adam's solution to every trap: Piss somewhere

[@weevilwizarddotmusic9711]

i mean,,,,, valid,,,,,,

[@alexandrk.5052]

So if I remove the breaks from someone's car, and they end up dying from my actions, then I didn't kill them, they killed themselves? Let's see how well that goes in court.

[@CaptainDoomsday]

No, no. Then just the car killed them. For them to have killed THEMSELVES, you have to give them a box of razor blades that they can jam their hand into to stop the car instead.

[@FTZPLTC]

I think it's okay as long as you tell them and then say you'll fix them as long as they hack off their shins?

[@daredevil6145]

they just didn't jump out of the vehicle *safely* in time You... you'll be fine within Law hahah geez

[@ptptptman]

I swear I am constantly confusing Strom and Hoffman. Does anyone else think they look too much alike or is it just me?

[@lunashywolf3466]

you are not the only one! haha :p

[@TheULTIMATE450]

SAME

[@danteezy945]

same

[@rabidrabbitshuggers]

Strom looks like that guy in 'My Name is Earl', whereas Hoffman looks like Ned Stark and the Kurgan had a steroid baby. You're welcome.

[@dollparts4918]

AddMan yes haha

[@bloodrunsclear]

'Is there a supernatural side to the character?' (Tobin Bell thinks about his fan fiction.)

[@canadianpranks6423]

My god man I love your videos

[@btip8357]

bloodrunsclear q-[11q

[@Muetzi]

Calling John not a Murderer is like shooting someone and blaming it on the gun

[@CaptainDoomsday]

Kazuma Kiryu has never killed anyone; he just held some people in front of bullets or positioned them over a 50 story drop to concrete and they died as a result.

[@TheChosenMoose01]

@@CaptainDoomsday Didn't expect a Yakuza meme. To be fair, people only die in cutscenes in that game.

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@CaptainDoomsday or as the mafia used to say "i never killed anyone i just took em deep sea diving"

[@Br0Dud3]

“Guns don’t kill people, watch. Go on gun. Shoot him. Don’t be shy. You’ve done it plenty times before.” My favorite American Dad bit.

[@thebignacho]

Sounds like gun control activists to me

[@heinrichagrippa5681]

Thank you for addressing my biggest pet peeve with this entire franchise. I would accept that Jigsaw is a murdering asshole and his whole morality angle is just a bunch of denial BS he uses to rationalize what he does. But no one calls him out on it. No one slaps him and says "When you put people in death traps and they die, it's murder you fantastic douche!" Instead the movies act as though his lunatic philosophy actually has some sort of merit. If plausible survivability is all it takes for it to not be murder, then I guess none of those Bond villains were really trying to off 007. Nevermind that half the traps were virtually unwinnable no matter how sincere the victim's attempt to escape. Nevermind that some inevitably required at least one death. Nevermind that innocent bystanders get used as props for someone else's trap and die as a result. And what about those shotgun traps in the first film? Were they not intended to kill? Do police investigating this shit somehow bring this upon themselves? I think what bugs me most is when real life people I've spoken to voice some sort of agreement with Jigsaw's "morality" in some groan-inducing attempt to appear smart and "deep" - the sort of fucks who then re-explain it to you slowly as they assume your disagreement means you're too dumb to understand.

[@SourBitters]

Heinrich Agrippa This comment 1000%. That always bothered the hell out of me. Hoffman's a brilliant engineer but he doesn't understand shit about psychology. Do you remember the Denlon family from SAW III? Basically that entire family was punished because Jigsaw didn't think they were overcoming their grief fast enough. This is beyond hypocritical when you remember Jigsaw's backstory. Hoffman's ideology is fueled by grief and yet he's never called out for it. Jeff Denlon's son was killed by a drunk driver he gets forced to into a horrible situation meant to make him "let go of his grief". All the traps actually do is yell at him for grieving too long, shame him for having violent revenge fantasies about his sons killer, blame him for his wife's affair and for perfectly normal behavior like socially recoiling from his family about the death of his son. His wife Lynn Denlon was struggling with grief too, but the story keeps them split up from each other instead of the more logical choice of keeping them together and making them work on things together in the moment. BUT NOPE: By the end of the story Jeff makes a mistake that insta-kills his wife who had no control over her own fate or redemption. Jeff is than sealed in a room so this orphans their living daughter Corbett Denlon. Thanks Jigsaw that was some really great grief counselling.

[@lich109]

Heinrich Agrippa This pisses me off so much, even in the movie Jigsaw says shit like "I injected him with a slow-acting poison" or mentions how he made them breathe nerve gas, well in that case he just murdered them if they died, or attempted to murder them if they live. There's actually a scene in the second movie where the main cop who I can't remember the name of does call him on this, but everyone looks down on him for it and it's immediately forgotten as everybody falls back into the "He's not a murderer" horseshit.

[@whodatboi2567]

+SourBitters agreed

[@wiiztec]

+Heinrich Agrippa Plus he straight up slashed danny glover's throat

[@Jcolinsol]

+Heinrich Agrippa A nutty guy with his own radical form of psychotherapy, which gradually grows into a cult of personality, losing his sense of perspective and morality as his ability to manipulate people grows. You know, if they were smart, they would have had the series grow into an allegory for scientology.

[@bork590]

22:53 Aw fuck, I'm in a room I can't escape and I'm about to get crushed. I have a loaded gun, you know what, I'll NOT shoot myself, and instead let myself die painfully.

[@niallreid7664]

Brodie Thomson Coffin was bulletproof. Also, in those sorts of circumstances the mind would go into pure survival mode and the notion of suicide would be inconceivable. He would fight to the bitter, flat end.

[@bork590]

Brodie Thomson Coffin was bulletproof yo

[@bork590]

***** o ok

[@Pyro67152]

See, if he did shoot himself, then it would have turned out that the walls wouldn't have closed all the way and crushed him...and he would have lived if he hadn't shot himself. This obviously would have been explained if he had listened even further on the tape he already didn't want to listen all the way through on.

[@riverpaw3234]

You weren't appreciating life enough. *A s s h o l e*

[@haphazrd285]

"I guess you don't really have to understand a character's motivations if you just pass her off as nuts." I finally found the true definition of "being edgy". Thanks a lot !

[@Archetype77]

If you think the narrator was being edgy by stating a basic fact, I'm afraid you still have yet to find the definition.

[@HaleyJo1992]

@@Archetype77 He meant no need for a motivation if the character is just nuts is the definition of being edgy, not that YMS was being edgy.

[@jetiscute1]

"Which one is it?" "Uhh.................................................sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss."

[@orhowilearnedtostopworryin9682]

+MC Gamer2005 He's just outed himself as a reptilian.

[@semareyes98]

+orhowilearnedtostopworrying HISSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@SadEyes1412]

+Sema Reyes HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@steveouk90126]

The single, most retconned film series in history.

[@CaptainDoomsday]

Although you have to admit, it's never had a reboot. Even Child's Play had enough control wrested away that they've made a reboot, despite the original writer's intention to continue the original timeline.

[@luiginastro8831]

The second most retconned is Halloween.

[@elric1001]

Resident Evil Movies

[@Triff3599]

Does Spiral count as a reboot? Or at least a soft reboot?

[@matthewhoobin5730]

​@@luiginastro8831Godzilla would like a word as well

[@haychezstudios]

I think they should've stopped. the movies were getting *saw* ful

[@stephonethejerk1944]

I chuckled

[@AbsurdandFantastical]

+Kuyesa I *saw* what you did there.

[@AbsurdandFantastical]

Kuyesa Thank you! I like to *cut* to the chase.

[@chibitesla4331]

That pun makes me want to fucking shank you That's it there's no joke, I'm not one for cutting up

[@AbsurdandFantastical]

Chibi Tesla Let's try to *slice* it up then, maybe that will give this game a bit of an *edge*

[@CarlSlime]

In Saw 5, for the final trap, what's stopping them from getting one of two maybe three dead bodies in the other rooms and shoving their limbs into the contraption. They even walk back to the previous rooms, so this is clearly an option that those two horribly mentally deficient characters/writers totally ignored.

[@JD-uu3xm]

I believe that the bombs planted in the other rooms would've detonated up until the penultimate trap room, the one where the black girl is electrocuted. I assume she couldn't be toughed because of the electricity

[@CarlSlime]

DrTheKay Could also just start throwing chunks of that douchedick who got obliterated by the nailbombs into the machine as well.

[@idletalker]

uh i think they couldn't take the girl in the bathtub because the door to the last room would've been locked and etc. not trying to make sense cuz the entire thing was a plot hole lmao but i think there was reasoning for this

[@symbiote3220]

its too easy from the outside looking in as the viewer of the films ending to see this but youre wrong on two fronts 1. given the hasty situations, they didnt think about grabbing any bodies they could use until the second to last door was already shut. 2. the time gap between even being in the next room and getting buckshotted by the nails was so near at the end that it was practically suicide to even chance going in there otherwise

[@davidalvarez5659]

They would have bombs inside the bodies or some crap like that because "Jigsaw can predict everything!!!111!!"

[@blargkliggle1121]

So many of the traps/whatever just wouldn't work. If a hacksaw can't scratch metal it can't cut bone fast enough to beat shock. If they had stuck the wires into the saw blades they would have jammed or the wire would break. The guy who gave himself a tracheotomy could have slid the pen between the box and his neck, if he couldn't then the box is likely going to kill him by cutting off blood flow. A bladed pendulum will quickly lose momentum when it meets resistance. Most of the devices in saw are so complex it would years of engineering and testing, and would still likely malfunction in some way.

[@Razzy1312]

"could have slid the pen between the box and his neck". Dang u smartboi

[@NewNebula12]

The water box trap wasn't designed to be escaped. It was an inescapable trap like the pendulum.

[@blargkliggle1121]

@@NewNebula12 I thought the traps were supposed to be some sort of test/ritual of redemption.

[@NewNebula12]

@@blargkliggle1121 They are, but Jigsaw's assistants forget that point and instead use it as a punishment.

[@greedojenkins9984]

Almost no explanation how his assistants know how to do the traps. No way jigsaw could’ve taught them either

[@beelzibubbles]

Cary Elwes has surprisingly retained quite a bit of his accent despite living in America and playing as Americans for pretty much half his life.

[@notsusan]

It cracked me up how much better Leigh Whannel was at playing an American accent than he was. I probably would've just said "fuck it, Dr. Gordon's British, fine"

[@PirateZ1]

I get so confused between Strum and Hoffman, THEY LOOK IDENTICAL!

[@SainrED]

You're a dumbass then

[@salarzx62090]

"strum" lol

[@andrewmorrison2064]

All white people look the same to me.

[@TheOfficialOMMY]

The first time I watched them I thought the same thing

[@ghostflxwer]

@@andrewmorrison2064 😂😂

[@profexavier8236]

"And the kids are gonna really enjoy it" hahahaha Tobin Bell, you savage!

[@tomadams7553]

I feel like I've seen the whole franchise now.

[@TheGililgi]

Lmao basically you have

[@4besideyouintime]

"saw 1 - you saw them all"

[@madrox2682]

4besideyouintime Ha that was pretty punny. ;D

[@jamescoppolino9144]

Tom Adams that's how I felt, than I watched the whole franchise. Just watch the first two.

[@AssasynCounterExtrem]

I really seen it

[@Mazra42]

The whole "Jigsaw isn't a killer" thing really irked me, too. The first movie shows that he's exactly that. There are two kinds of "games" in Saw: death vs pain (single player) and kill or be killed (multiplayer). The single player games were about appreciating life. Choose the pain and live, or die a horrible death. The multiplayer games were about beating someone else and had fuck all to do with appreciating life. Let them die/kill them and save yourself. I know Amanda was rigging the games so that no one lived, but Jigsaw came up with the concept in Amanda's own game: cut the guy open and get the key, or get a permanent Muppet smile. One of the movies I absolutely hate is the one with the insurance company people. The boss has to choose between them in several of the games. Jigsaw even had the damn janitor put in the game, and the innocent secretary, or cleaning lady, or whatever she was. Kill one, save the other. How is that supposed to teach any of them a lesson about appreciating life?

[@magicfishhobo381]

I think the point in six with the insurance agent was to show him that he essentially did the same work as Jigsaw, choosing who lives and dies by denying them insurance, and forcing him to face the fact that he's killing people and place him on the other end of the stick at the end. The family of a man who (I think) died because of him get to decide if he lives or dies.

[@Raycloud]

@@magicfishhobo381 Maybe socialists are just sociopaths?

[@User-be8sw]

@@Raycloud bait

[@Gurra88]

The Kevin McCallister becoming Jigsaw is more annoying to me. The time lines don't even add up. Jigsaw was born in the early 50s and HA is definitely set in the 90s. Plus Jigsaw died in 2006 so Saw isn't set in the "future".

[@CalsGirl97]

Tobin Bell definitely made this series. I think I'd still love it if someone else was casted or the Jigsaw character was removed completely, but no where nearly as much. Tobin is also such a sweetheart seriously. DazGames got to make a short with him and I think thats so cool.

[@BearWindAppleyard]

Man some of these actors sound really dumb describing how clever and deep jigsaw is.

[@DawnRansome]

+BearWindAppleyard Wonder if it's because they don't believe the shit that they're saying. Like the actors have to say certain things in interviews, and this concept is just too hard for them to even pretend they believe it.

[@big-loss_9043]

Yup, to be honest none of the Saw Movies ever made any sense, to Challenge your intelligence my @z more like Challenging your Stupidy, Saw movie Morals should've have been how Smart or Dumb you can be to get out a Weird Trap, I'm sorry for the Saw Fans but I Honestly Hate the Whole franchise ....end of story

[@lunabearsong2043]

They also may not want to get blacklisted.

[@SkittlesInYourHand]

Big-Loss_904 - Would've been better if Jigsaw just had this weird ideology and was psycho enough to believe it instead of the movie and cast seemingly saying he's right

[@daredevil6145]

Rita from Dexter said it maybe, she had too much shit from another killer, lol

[@HE13272326]

"Saw 4 will do to opening doors what Jaws did to the ocean"

[@kijungsong844]

I'm from Korea and when I was a kid my brother brought a movie from video store and it was called "파이널 쏘우" which directly means "Final Saw" So till this day I thought it was a saw franchise but then I searched up and realised actually it's "Are You Scared?(2006)" which is a movie with poorly stolen plot from Saw and I have no idea what were they thinking to come up with the idea to release this movie with the title "Final Saw" in Korea lol

[@austins9795]

Wait, in the trap where the two guys have their eyes/mouth sewn shut, they were given a hatchet....why can't the guy with his mouth sewn shut just use it to cut off the stitches and work from there?

[@radd0_]

Austin S I just want to know if the mouth was stitched with sewing thread or the medical thread (Idk the term), because if its the sewing kind, its not that hard the saw your way through them with your fingernails

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+Noot Noot It's Izzy You don’t even need to go that far. Art just opened his mouth and tore the stitching without any trouble... as soon as he freed himself. Why didn’t he just do that right away??

[@youngandloaded13]

I could never tell Hoffman and straum apart which made these movies even more confusing

[@Mr_Boifriend]

Hahahha! YES! Same! Why must they cast two identical white guys and give them the EXACT same haircut??! 😅😂

[@CrystalJupiter]

I've heard my /parents/ talking about how Jigsaw is the hero of these films and how justified he is in doing this to people. Umm…..what the fuck. Also, Saw 1 is ok, but I like legitimate horror, and Saw is not horror, it's gore. Gore can be in horror, but not all gore is horror.

[@Dagenspear]

SAW 1 doesn't have that much gore at all. SAW 2 was more brutal and vicious, but not really gory. SAW 3 is gory, certainly, but it's also has a great story. Everything after that, yeah, it just becomes straight up gore.

[@SativaSkies]

CrystalJupiter Saw is actually considered a psychological thriller

[@Dagenspear]

☠ LXT-800 ☠ The first few are.

[@lich109]

Dagenspear Maybe if you're not very smart, anyone can figure out very quickly what's going on and how to check certain things, for example if the guy in the middle of the room is dead or not. Does the revolver chamber have an empty casing in it? If no then it was never loaded and he couldn't have shot himself. Not to mention there's also things like the disappearing phone (seriously what happened to it?), and every character being stupid as shit: "He owns this building called Gideon." "Huh, that's interesting." * HALF A FUCKING MOVIE LATER * "Wait a minute! They're probably inside of the building he owns!" Any sort of forensics would immediately find out everything about this, since Jigsaw and his helpers only rarely use gloves and make no attempts to hide any sort of evidence that can easily be traced back to them, like leaving fucking cups of coffee in the middle of the room or clean up tapes that could easily be used to incriminate them.

[@SeniorSpunky]

CrystalJupiter Hahaha, I think your parents are secretly Jigsaw's apprentices as well.

[@Jason_Altea]

It’s weird how much Saw and Death Note have in common... •Both have -somewhat- pretty mentally unstable killers trying to make a new, “better” society, Jigsaw by getting people to appreciate life more with elaborate death puzzles and Light by killing all the criminals in the prison system •Both are considered to be in a morally gray area, as they’re trying (and...well, failing, but still trying I guess) to do good things through immoral actions, at least at the beginning of the series, anyway. •Both have that same killer take on a younger female apprentice to help them, both of which are pretty unstable as well. •Both have rivals attempting to figure out the mystery of who the serial killers are, only to get killed by the killers anyway with help from their apprentice. •And both have the killers get yet another apprentice/copycat killer after they die to continue their legacy. Let me know of anymore similarities between Kira/Light and Jigsaw you can think of.

[@FTZPLTC]

-Both have fandoms who grossly misremember how subtly drawn their killers are. I remember someone raging against the Death Note movie because the guy standing in for Light turns into a murderer in, like, 20 minutes of a 90+ minute film... so I rewatched Episode 1 and I'm pretty sure Light is irredeemable before the first ad break.

[@antimatter3084]

@@FTZPLTC It really is more the portrayal of Light than whether Light was a bad person in the Netflix series. Light in the Netflix series was an idiot who got pull around by the Misa equivalent while og Light was a genius who beat L through sheer manipulation. But yeah, manga Light is an irredeemable asshole who kills people just so they could conform to his twisted sense of justice which in turn gave him a God complex.

[@darkforestzombie218]

Except SAW is better than Deathnote

[@Jason_Altea]

@@darkforestzombie218 Eh, depends on taste. Death Note is much more about the chase and mind games between two people both obsessed with cornering the other. Saw is more about... well tbh the story isn't amazing and I doubt it's what most people go to it for. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say Death Note is way better than Saw by any means or anything. I personally believe they're both heavily flawed, but that Death Note is enjoyed for its cat-and-mouse style thriller story while Saw is enjoyed due to the horror elements rather than the plot itself.

[@nont18411]

Except that Death Note acknowledges itself that Light has become more evil over time. His cause was justifiable until he killed Naomi Misora. That was the point of no return for him. Meanwhile, Saw just can’t stop pretending that “Jigsaw is right” until these days. Light Yagami is more comparable to Walter White than to Jigsaw.

[@goodtaste2185]

Adam sounded so young and hopeful.

[@aidanweiand859]

"It challenges your intelligence" I had to stop the video right there I was laughing so hard

[@Ash-op2ql]

Hoffman and strom look waaay too much a like. I'm getting confused because I keep thinking one is the other

[@CountOfMonteCristo_]

I honestly enjoy every single one of these movies, there’s something about the Saw franchise that it’s always entertaining to me, even 10 films in now.

[@Mr_Boifriend]

Yeah same

[@connorsmith75]

USE THE SAW TO REACH FOR THE PHONE. NOT THAT HARD.

[@r.wa2003]

I never thought of that.

[@xXSlenderBornXx]

It's stuff like that that makes me view this movie franchise as a comedy rather than a horror movie.

[@kingdestroyah]

Or just use your shirt or something to grab it

[@longliverocknroll5]

+Tyklay Yes, because the films got worse and less consistent *after* the independently shot film. The fact that the low-budget film is the most consistent is indicative of the entire franchise as a whole: it got shittier the more money they tried to throw at it.

[@longliverocknroll5]

***** Not really though. It was trying to say that Jigsaw was "moral" and Jigsaw got more morally ambiguous throughout the series. I'd also say that the latter episodes got worse at explaining their "logic" because they had more logical inconsistencies and I doubt they even realized half of them.

[@nickperry3255]

saw 5 was so confusing. the two main dudes looks so alike.

[@Idonotsa49]

I’m just waiting for Jigsaw in Space

[@SidVacant69]

Jigsaw saves Christmas

[@Idonotsa49]

Princess Hoe That would be friggin epic 😎

[@IDHLEB]

Jigsaw in da Hood

[@that_goth_bitch3899]

Aren't we all?😂

[@generalrygy4532]

Saw VI: jigsaw lives

[@SkotKozB5]

Adum gotta re-record these videos. Sound quality is awful and he's not nearly gay enough.

[@plmafx186]

Jigsaw literally “saves” people but doesn’t want the officer to save people

[@thomasspengler9044]

Well it’s really quite simple. The officer is obsessed with saving people. Jigsaw isn’t obsessed. He’s just extremely dedicated

[@trequor]

@@thomasspengler9044 Exactly. How is this difficult to understand? I see Jigsaw and I see a man with nothing more than a perfectly healthy interest in his hobby. His actions never came across as "obsessive" or "too much".

[@greasyboi3154]

@@thomasspengler9044 mmm yeah healthily dedicated to torturing people to make them better and help them "appreciate life"

[@afterdinnercreations936]

Most of the people he "saves" convicts, drug-addicts, and cops on his tail. C'mon Jiggy, throw a few more white-supremacists into some razor-wire.

[@Breaker242]

LOL if its not an obsession on Jigsaws part then what do you call a "hobby" that suddenly causes you to part from your long-time love and mother-to-be of your child, as well as upending your entire social and occupational life? A "hobby" that is destructive harmful and anti-social to others and goes against the moral and legal taboos that are more or less shared by every single civilized person? Thats about as pathological and clearcut a case of obsession as it gets

[@geckohunter123]

Jigsaw would push a man off a cliff then say: “I didn’t kill him. The ground did.”

[@saint3106]

"He chose to keep falling."

[@TetchyEquation]

"Killing is Distasteful!" What about in the first movie where you slashed that cops throat?

[@Knightwolf1994]

And killed that one cop with a shotgun trap.

[@TetchyEquation]

Knightwolf1994 Well that was't murder according to Jigsaw's Moral Code, but he fully slashed that cop's throat knowing he would die.

[@Dagenspear]

+TetchyEquation He didn't die. Have a very great day! God bless you! God bless everyone!

[@thejedisonic67]

Jigsaw would pull a Batman and say "I didn't kill that cop, I merely slashed his throat. The lack of oxygen going into his lungs and the blood seeping out of the wound killed him"

[@americantoastman7296]

@Louis Rachmanstein lmao yeah he just "provided choices"

[@plmokm33]

They didn't even have a small loan of a million dollars?

[@lakamokolaka]

DJatomica So no excuse for you for not being a millionaire now

[@thesuddendemise7735]

DJatomica actually that makes me wonder.Where the fuck is jigsaw getting the money to pay for these things.Seriously you’d probably be able to find the killer based off the insane purchases alone

[@awkwardboy]

I'm thoroughly embarrassed that guy wasted Cary Elwes' time with a Saw trap quiz.

[@samwilliamson2217]

You forgot to mention that Saw has a roller coaster (yes, a roller coaster) themed around the franchise that is located in England. Thing is, it's a pretty good roller coaster unlike some of the movies.

[@r.wa2003]

I love SAW - The Ride. It's a shame the movies are a bit boring however the roller coaster is a lot better than the films... 😞

[@Labyethan]

Went on that ride... it was great. SAW the maze though? ... I heard it's jumpscae-ry.

[@callumconner20]

I freaking love the SAW movies. Huge fan in fact. Should I try the rollercoaster?

[@r.wa2003]

Callum Conner YESS

[@callumconner20]

AlfieBurch Cool, I'll book tickets soon. :D

[@LowLevelLemmy]

9 year old timeless series. I enjoy this one so much. Can’t believe it’s been 9 years.

[@coconutgun4383]

I love the editing and background music of these older YMS vids. Very nostalgic

[@gazbreztoksayaad2342]

what is the song in the intro, I've looked at his music playlist and i could not find it.

[@YMS]

It's number 88 in the playlist. I had to re-add it because it got removed earlier.

[@gazbreztoksayaad2342]

Thank you very much sir

[@ToddSocks]

YourMovieSucksDOTorg It's no. 83 now for anyone wondering who might've been confused by this comment.

[@EDIAMMUSIC]

+SGT TUBA It's "Waters of Nazareth" by Justice :3 One of my favorite songs

[@EDIAMMUSIC]

Anytime, bro!

[@slightlytwistedagain]

Regarding the guy in the bath, his head could have been resting on the bath outside the water then his body moved and his head went under. It's a lame possibility but credible as people have died in baths this way.

[@WolverBean]

I was also thinking something like that. But the fact that there are no ripples in the bath might trump this unless Adams head slided down into the bath gently.

[@st0ck3rz]

Dylan Bean How were they actually able to film it with no ripples. If he had to be under water long enough for the water to settle how does that work even in real life.

[@WolverBean]

Witchcraft.

[@tank_0r]

Symbols He's Aquaman.

[@packercat17]

slightlytwistedagain That is what happened, it is shown in the 3rd film

[@Babester42069]

Tobin Bell voice: "thats what i gotta do, lay in the pool of blood" lmao

[@rebelprincess1164]

You could argue that John put Adam in the bathtub with his head above the water, but he eventually slumped into it while unconscious

[@__coop__]

yeah it's easy to explain away, sounds more like a nitpick on his part

[@kdcomics]

maybe the tub was filling slowly with water while he was sleeping

[@WixkedLovy]

Then we would of heard it still running.

[@jordywoody14]

movies have convenient plot points. deal with it.

[@Trepanee]

It's the creator's job to 'deal with it' by making it plausible. If you have a problem with people not finding movies plausible because of their convenient plots you could always 'deal with that'.

[@basicindiebro]

it was said in the first movie that Jigsaw tranquilized all of his victims to keep them from waking up too early so he wouldn't have heard the water running

[@lakamokolaka]

Nope the movie even shows they didn't do that

[@youtubecensors5419]

I actually just watched these for the first time recently and the minute I saw "Jigsaw", I recognized him as the used record store clerk who refused to buy the records from Kramer and Newman in a Seinfeld episode. What a career trajectory!

[@GrubHuncher]

With the eye stabbing one, why not just tilt your head up so it destroys your cheeks? Or tilt it to the side? Or literally anything besides permanent blindness?

[@holocaustguy1007]

Because his head was held in place by 2 vices?

[@cmc3223]

Saw 1: 6/10 (Se7en did it better) Saw 2-3D: Torture Porn

[@ThreadBomb]

I thought the first Saw was meh, and didn't bother with the others. Insidious was meh too. FF7 was pretty good. Those are the three James Wan movies I've seen.

[@thejedisonic67]

@@ThreadBomb FF7? What movie is that

[@etgohome1343]

@@thejedisonic67 Furious 7.

[@ghosty359]

I kinda liked Saw 2

[@notsusan]

2-3D aren't that torture porny TBH. It's more a gory soap opera.

[@georgebarrett8065]

Nearly 10 years old and this video is still great

[@ArcienPlaysGames]

5:56 - 6:00 I don't know why I think the vocal segment fits so well with the background music. Could easily be a rap track :P

[@bscutajar]

hahahaha thats true

[@TheMcdjc1]

it happens in every episode is like that rapmaster 2000 megaphone in the simpsons that made you sound like a rapper

[@ArcienPlaysGames]

***** no

[@MrSmiley-en1ej]

_"Leaving the world isn't as scary as it sounds"_

[@Eric-dw2vd]

Mr. Smiley0389 How does hotline miami relate to saw?

[@BirchMonkey857]

Tobin Bell _gets_ the whole "kILlInG iS dIStAsTefUL" thing. Jigsaw doesn't see it as "killing," but, y'know, sane people do.

[@martymcdonald]

Saw: 7/10 Saw II: 6.5/10 Saw III: 4.5/10 Saw IV: 3/10 Saw V: 3/10 Saw VI: 5/10 Saw VII: So shitty that it doesn't even deserve a score. Fuck that movie.

[@callumconner20]

In my opinion. SAW: 7/10 SAW II: 7/10 SAW III: 6/10 SAW VI: 6/10 SAW V: 7/10 (Underrated in my opinion) SAW VI: 5/10 - Okay but a tad boring... SAW 3D - I agree it sucked. Best bit was the ending. I am a huge SAW fan, but SAW 3D killed it for me...

[@RoninDurey]

Saw: 7.5/10 Saw II: 5.5/10 Saw III: 4.5/10 Saw IV: 2/10 Saw V: 3/10 Saw VI: 4/10 Saw 3D: 0.5/10 (just because i laughed)

[@KenJunior97]

All you guys wanna be like this narrator so bad 😢

[@moviemastervevo1848]

bayougrande Jigsaw

[@pauline9970]

RoytheRetard Saw VI was decent but then it became bad again

[@MadamFoogie]

I was thinking about the pen tracheotomy trap, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work. He'd have no way of stopping himself from breathing through his nose along with breathing through the tube. He can't just pinch his nose to stop the flow of water, the box is in the way. I guess it MIGHT work if he can breathe very shallowly, but that's pretty hard to do after you stab yourself in the throat and are flooded with adrenaline because you're friggin' DYING.

[@WowWow-bz1qv]

Couldn't he have just drank the water? If he couldn't drink anymore then he would have been able to breath from his nose. It's not like his throat was closed or something was blocking esophagus because he was able to give himself a successful trache. He could just drink all the water past his nose, sure it would be disgusting, but it's better then stabbing yourself in the throat with a pen.

[@cjgg4885]

Wow Wow There were two fucking jugs with multiple gallons of water in those jugs. How the fuck would he be able to drink half of that?

[@user-ox9wn9ku9t]

CJG G He only has to drink enough water to have his nose above water idk

[@weevilwizarddotmusic9711]

"why do people even drown just drink the water lol"

[@JustKelso1993]

This conversation made my day lol

[@DiegoAlvarezBeltran1993.]

I love rhat woman. "Oh, I was engaged to the writer and my friends were the producers so they had to let me in."

[@SgtPepper291]

I seriously can't tell the difference between Strom and Hoffman, like they look exactly the same.

[@shannonceleste5557]

I was about to comment the same thing. I hope that was their intention, to serve some higher purpose for the integrity of the film. But I dream.

[@Michael-bg3cu]

The bald guy in Saw V looked like Vsauce

[@mointloint9653]

ThyHedghog_n_Kiddo yay I always said that

[@suziebelle4113]

Heyy, Vsauce, jigsaw here

[@johnwilkins11]

Saw Vsauce

[@ygsr]

Saw V, more like Vsaws

[@BattleRAAD]

I thought he looked like Binging with Babish

[@BattleRAAD]

Jill Tuck's actor is the walking embodiment of the question, "you're banging _which_ director again?"

[@FIDEL_CASHFLOW_]

She's SO BAD. Her only "contribution" is sex appeal. The directors more or less confirmed that when they had her in her underwear in a trap. It was just an excuse to get her in her underoos

[@imsadlol4528]

good for her tbh

[@Mr_Boifriend]

Haha Yeah and strangely I think her boobs aren't fake; they're just weirdly outward-pointing...

[@TheFire1290]

@@imsadlol4528 Nepotism isn't something to happy about.

[@mhead1117]

​@@TheFire1290much more productive to whine about it online I agree

[@dr.flipside7035]

9:21 Wait jigsaw has a wife? How does that work? "hey honey im going to work to torture people"

[@anubusx]

Imagine it was bring your children to work day.

[@Wilbur-wd2zb]

Hey, if you're reading this... ---> 15:19

[@mrprotoman154]

(¬‿¬)

[@jaxonwarwick1246]

8/8 m8

[@BearWindAppleyard]

+Wilbur1494 lol

[@THEALLROUNDSPACEGAMERTROLOLO]

no

[@videotape2959]

good one

[@imjotalmao]

With a low budget, they did surprisingly well. Then the money struck and they basicly just started churning out shit.

[@vidhead85]

They buttercreamed it lol

[@thatoneguychad420]

I love the saw films. Maybe not the most consistent films but I do like how they connect and such. When you find out that Dr Gordon helped Jigsaw after the events of first movie, that reveal is my all-time fave reveal.

[@thomasspengler9044]

“Acting it like tennis. The better your opponent the more likely you are to lose.” - Amanda

[@jomornes1770]

the addition of busdriver to the background is a pretty good and neat thing.

[@jamesbudd3096]

FBI: so why did you kill those people Jigsaw: I never murdered anyone FBI: but you kidnapped them and killed them? Jigsaw: I didn't kill them, the traps did FBI: but those were traps that you made🤔 Jigsaw: They killed themselves because they weren't paying attention FBI: but they were still your traps?!?! Jigsaw: They deserved it FBI: But a lot of the people you endangered were innocent, they just knew the guy you targeted Jigsaw: I've never killed anyone FBI: GOD DAMNIT!!!

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

That's my biggest problem with the film. Jigsaw logic is dumb especially in saw 3

[@Greasyheels]

I kinda dislike the concept of oh, I hate my life but oh no I'm in a jigsaw horror trap. Oh gee I got out of it I like life alot more! It's like if this person was suicidal and didn't appreciate life, wouldn't he or she just kill themselves in the jigsaw trap on purpose? Especially when they are paired with another person and one has to die so the other can live? Also I hated the fact that by the 3D one they started throwing rock stars and porn stars and the scream champion from that hit MTV show that lasted all of one season.

[@nicktobin7208]

It's not that they hate their life, it's that they have done "bad things". ie. the rapist in one of the movies

[@Greasyheels]

true but I strictly remember back in the 3d one the jigsaw guy had to people who were both suicidal kill each other (AA meeting scene with the flashback marathon )

[@kurvos]

Nicky Tobulas Yeah, like the black cop saving people's lifes... "bad thing" indeed. :P

[@GamingTurtle37]

If I'm suicidal, pretty sure I'd just take a noose or slit over getting a vital member broken, ripped off, or mushed. :/

[@packercat17]

***** Yeah, I think the idea is like in the first one, some guy is cutting himself or whatnot, and he puts it to the test of weather they truly are suicidal or not. Turns out that most people actually appreciate their lives and claim to be suicidal to get attention. I'm js what jigsaw is supposedly thinking xD

[@lunalluna9401]

It's like when Daenerys told people to fight for her or die burned to a crisp and everyone acted like she was a compassionate ruler that gave them a choice lol

[@A_Dopamine_Molecule]

Your Saw series review might be the most comprehensive media review I've ever seen.

[@DangStank]

That lady was SO ready to say “do you mind” the SECOND the door opened