Jinjer - Pisces - New Zealand Vocal Coach Analysis and Reaction

[@Sumaleth]

Those of us in live chat agreed that your next Jinjer needs to be Tatiana's Judgement & Punishment One Take :)

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Amazing!!!

[@c.t.1893]

Followed by Perennial live

[@zacharymccullough4625]

I have a question 🤔 I've been working on for a while . Is the " vocal one take " Really that big of a deal 🤔. When you consider their live album and the live from Atlas video of who is gonna be the one .... I would argue that the concert recordings are far more amazing because all 4 of the band members are nailing it under more adverse conditions then the studio. I donno just a thought.

[@Nethian78]

@@zacharymccullough4625 If you're a vocal coatch it's probably more interesting to have a cam on the singer all the way through so you can really see what she does

[@zacharymccullough4625]

@@Nethian78 Oh I get that , and how it serves for the purpose of this type of video . And her performances is great . But out side of this use I would argue that the concert footage is its self a one take and more better

[@megadev9099]

This is the first Pisces reaction I've seen where somebody says "that's not what I was expecting" before the growl comes in.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

You definitely don't look at her and think cool jazz do you? Napalm records is almost all serious metal so I definitely didn't expect that from them ;)

[@df3575]

Ha. Its cause she "cheated" and peeked ahead before the reaction.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

@@df3575 I definitely didn't look. I just know Nalpam records are heavy metal, so I was expecting something along those lines. Her scream still took me by surprise though. Pretty low for a female.

[@Cybrludite]

Most reaction vids to this one go in totally blind, not knowing at all that she does the growls, nor the sort of music that Napalm produces.

[@janfransson5910]

Normally, I wouldn't recommend Judgement & Punishment as your 2nd song to react to, but since you do what you do, that would probably be the best one, since there is a one take vocal performance of it which is focused on Tati through the whole song. Just Tati and a mic...and a cuddly guest.

[@eternavids]

Amen to that! The best video to see Tatiana in action up close!

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Incredible. I will have to watch it!

[@anton7354]

Second that!

[@anton7354]

I'm sorry, I understand that my frustration is somewhat pointless since a non-Slavic speaker probably doesn't feel it but "Tati" sounds really cringey for me. The diminutive is "Tanya" not "Tati". No Slavic speaker would use "Tati" Sorry again...

[@MattKrogmeier]

@@anton7354 that’s a fair point...but her own Instagram is Tati...so... 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ArobeeTV]

No matter how many times I listen to this song, her belting gives me chills every single time. I love it!

[@bobbydelamar606]

Tatiana is absolutely amazing. Love her.

[@Crivicus]

Normally, Perennial would be next followed by Teacher, Teacher but I agree with the others here and think you would enjoy Tatiana's Judgement & Punishment One Take

[@rylandmahoney1058]

I still prefer the live in Melbourne clip.

[@TheChzoronzon]

Imho, "Who's Gonna Be the One live" is still better as concert demo, she goes so low and so varied there...

[@Crivicus]

@@TheChzoronzon Yeah, "Who's Gonna Be the One live" is good and is normally the one I would point people to if they either don't believe it's really her singing or if they are particularly enjoying the heavy parts.

[@__mader__]

"I speak astronomy" is the song in sequence after Perennial, because they are both about Tatiana's emotions. Teacher Teacher is a song against totalizing leaders or models that creates zombies instead of thinking human beings

[@scyphe]

At around 8:23 you can hear that they've added a second pitch shifted layer to her scream/growl in post-production and at that particular moment in the video you hear both her real voice and the post produced lower pitched layer separate from each other. She's still a phenomenal growler/screamer, it's just that most people seem to believe it's a pure live performance with no post production. I don't care about the post-production since I know the difference between "live session" and "live performance" (I've been writing music and played the guitar, keys etc., recorded/mixed music etc. since the early 90'ies), it's an artistic choice in order to create a specific sound/mood. Her live performances does sound different (still brutal and heavy) from this particular recording. I really wish I knew how they got that guitar to sound like it does during the calm parts. It's not just a simple chorus effect with some modulations. It's like a calm bubbly brook when the ice thaws in early spring effect going on.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Wow, thank you for such a detailed comment. I hadn't heard that, but you can tell that this has been cleaned up a lot. I am sure that they run her mic through a few processors as well, it never hurts and gives a fuller sound.

[@Z_TPI]

She's not a growler like Tati, but definitely check out Brittney Slayes from Unleash The Archers, and their song Tonight We Ride. Brittney is an extreme belting goddess 🤘🇨🇦

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Listening!!!! Thank you!!!

[@Istielthia]

@@ZoeStibiVocalCoach Cannot recommend UTA enough! Awakening is another really great song from them.

[@Z_TPI]

@@ZoeStibiVocalCoach late on the reply lol If you end up doing this, I can't wait to see your reaction. She is mind blowing and I'd love to hear your breakdown on her technique. Don't want to give too much away but you'll experience belting in the high 5's 🤯

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

@@Z_TPI holy shit that looks amazing. I am not going to watch it just jet though... I want to record the first listening B5 you say..... ;)

[@Z_TPI]

@@ZoeStibiVocalCoach no rush haha. It's an A5 she hits in this song. She does hit B5 in other songs but Tonight We Ride is best to start with, as she throws in some fry with her belts and has such powerful lows as well.

[@lkayh]

I was going to be bummed that you already knew what she was going to do, but it really was fun to see your face when she did it.

[@j.f.fisher5318]

Even when people expect it, they hardly ever expect it.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

I knew the was going to scream but not that cool!!!

[@Shake69ification]

_Perrenial_ live at Wacken is a great demonstration of how quickly she can switch between the clean and the screams.

[@hawkproductions3853]

TEACHER TEACHER is one that shows her range as well.

[@aryansigrid]

Pisces is the Zodiac sign of the duality of two opposing fish, hence the two different ways Tatiana sung the song, (that's just for this song). The two opposing character's of a Pisces are shown by Tati's vocal change's. Btw, Tatiana & the Bassist Eugene Abdukhanov are both Pisces so Eugene helped Tati with the lyrics. {As a fellow Kiwi, I am proud of you, especially to have the "kahunas" to start your own Channel, you really are an inspiration already!} Thank you for looking @ this song of Jinjer's, they have great one's: I love their songs "I Speak Astronomy" & "Perrenial", I wish you all the best Zoe -from a fellow kiwi!.

[@immersion24]

Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev...hands down the best video of live performance...IMO

[@joshuafrahm8778]

This.... Also On the Top from the same concert is excellent.

[@one8s7n]

Tatiana is a goddess on stage... live is such an amazing experience. And self taught

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

She is amazing. Yes self taught to an extent, but also her work with bands is also a form of training right?

[@arthurolson9297]

Jinjer is the most exciting band in years as far as I'm concerned. Spectacular musicians. All Hail Queen Tati!

[@dougrussell1926]

Who's gonna be the one should be next. Her stage presence is amazing. We met her when they played Houston, and she is so tiny! She didn't speak much of course, but hugged a lot.

[@lkayh]

So many things to like about this song, and I enjoy watching actual “first time” reactions to the song. I love the varied time signatures, all of the musicians are obviously amazing. I love Tati’s “jazzy” voice, and the smooth, “nautical” feel to the guitar riffs and melodies. I’m not a huge fan of metal, though, and while I’m wildly impressed that she can scream like that I probably wouldn’t make a day of listening to it. Great reaction-thanks for doing it!

[@mibastyle7658]

Oh, Jinjer has so much great songs. Teacher Teacher, Home Back, Judgement & Punishment One Take, Perennial Live and many many more. Great react video and greetings from Munich/Germany

[@johnfish8208]

Always fun to hear vocal coaches takes on Tatiana

[@squidvicious86]

Teacher, Teacher is fantastic!

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Thank you!!!

[@princedurga9481]

I am from Morocco. I love heavy metal. I listen to her a lot. . You liked the analysis of a wonderful mineral

[@blindbubba9001]

...jinjer has cross trained my ears...."judgement and punishment" one take vocal would be fun for you...and us....thanks...peace...

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

🤣 YES!!!! It is like Jazz funk meets metal in this song

[@cjjoe2385]

And Judgment and Punishment will also introduced Reggae

[@Dee-ih2yf]

Excellent! Enjoyed your insight and sharing your down to earth emotions. Your next Jinjer reaction should be a live concert "Who Is Gonna Be The One?" You will see two very distinct styles ...dark metal and then a complete 180° switch to jazz as if she was transformed into a lounge singer.

[@Tattooed-bs4cm]

Du bist einfach eine tolle Gesangslehrerin, welche diese Feinheiten auf den Punkt bringen! Super! LG aus Wien

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Vielen lieben dank ;) Ich versuche immer mein Bestes zu geben, danke dir LG! Ich bin im August in Wien, so eine schöne Stadt!

[@davidmanka5953]

They will be here in Tampa Florida in November, with POD I can't wait

[@smavtmb2196]

Love this song. My favorite so far is teacher teacher. Its so well written. Great flow between clean and growl vocals. I like to read lyrics ahead of time so I can follow essentially if hear it for the first time. Tatiana's vocals are amazing and extremely skilled musicians

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Me too! I need to discover more of their music. 🙂

[@smavtmb2196]

@@ZoeStibiVocalCoach Please do

[@andybricks576]

hey Zoe, I am a Kiwi too and i have had a channel for a few years but I am not that good at it, just want to say its great seeing another Kiwi fly with You Tube. My lady watches you and I had to say hi.

[@chino6816]

Crazy reaction!!! Tough question..perennial live at wacken or judgement and punishment one take, or teacher teacher...WTF just do all of them together 🤣🤣...and this is one Band were you can only react to live videos...stay real and healthy!!!

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Amazing how about I just do that... although the video would be like 100minutes long!

[@jayerkky]

love your honestly

[@CDMS_pt]

She's the best. 🤘😁🤘

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

AGREE!!!

[@bernhardkulzer9125]

In every reaction to this song there is one line: "I wasn`t expecting this!" - and there must be hundreds of reaction videos up to now! 🤣🤣🤣 But - and that is the most important fact: Surprise is one tool in Jinjers songs, actually almost in every of their songs you must confess something like "I didn`t expect this"! What I so love about Jinjer is that they always take you on a journey. If you don`t believe me, check out "Teacher, Teacher", "I Speak Astronomy" or "Perennial" (here the live version from Wacken), ah yeah, and don`t forget "Judgment and Punishment", especially the vocal one take! At least these are the recommendations following "Pisces". But - actually - choose any of their songs, you probably won`t get a bad example. As many people before stated: "Jinjer is incapable to write a bad song"... 😁👍 So, if you want see her closely singing and screaming, definitely choose "Judgement and Punishment" next because there you see her in profile the whole song (without any switches of the camera!)

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Amazing, I will take a look at it. Seems like a popular one!

[@bernhardkulzer9125]

@@ZoeStibiVocalCoach Ah, you know that you poked in a wasp`s nest, don`t you? 😁

[@joelkelly169]

Great review and you have a new fan

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Thanks Joel! Great to have you here ;)

[@andersstromqvist2211]

perennial live @ Wacken is really great my favorite of her music and it really shows off her switching talent between cleans and growls. That one i also think is a great show of hear breth control you really hear how winded she is when she speaks to the audince after the performance. But if you want better camera angles to view while she is singing judgment and punishment one take vocal performance is your best bet.

[@daimyoj9266]

Yay, a fellow Kiwi reacting to Jinjer... Happy days! Tatiana is a vocal beast who is supported by the crazy talented Eugene, Roman and Vlad. Like many others have already mentioned, the Judgment and Punishment vocal one take is a gem... As is Perrenial live at Wacken. Thank you for making my day 🔥🖤

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Woohooo! Kiwi's represent! ;) Thank you for being here!!!

[@dougarnold7955]

Good choice. Jinjer is awesome. They've got lots of great material. Do more, definitely! Have fun. 👍

[@marksmith164]

Greetings from across the ditch! Great reaction!

[@johnmccauley6788]

Great lessons learned. Thanks. Love T

[@plotus6]

I absolutely love your analysis and just spreading ❤️

[@flawedlife5013]

It is layered. With her voice. If you have seen her you know. Twice for me. Second time better cause i was over the shock and really got into the band as a whole. Omg!

[@Vergessener]

As a good example for crossing styles, I would recommend Teacher, Teacher.

[@Bill_pierre]

Haha loved this reaction to jinjer. First time seeing your channel, you seem like a badass yourself too lol

[@Glynroberts1993]

Perennial live at wacken is a great one to check out 👌🏻

[@antivanti]

I saw in an interview on BethRoars that she was inspired to do harsh vocals when she heard Otep doing it which made her realize women can do it as well. Also different voice specialists have different ideas on exactly how she produces her sound and she herself doesn't know exactly either.

[@renaeohlhausen7344]

Tatiana is crazy gifted !!!!

[@Slipgatex]

@3:50 You know what you're here for.

[@JADENEMESlS]

Teacher Teacher and i speak astronomy are my favorites

[@antivanti]

I saw someone else recommended Britney Slayes of Unleash The Archers and would like to add to that. The video for Awakening is like this, a live studio session, so might be a good place to start. It's also the start of the story of the Immortal that spans two records (Apex and Abyss)

[@Strathaczar]

"Don't rely on me and I won't deceive." -Tatiana; deceiving mofos with this video since 2017!

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

YES!!! This is what launched them big time!

[@Strathaczar]

@@ZoeStibiVocalCoach it's what got me into them! Have every album downloaded into my phone, and they have zero weak songs! You can't go wrong with anything anyone suggests. With that said, try out Spiritbox. Another amazing female fronted metal act. Courtney LaPlante is amazing!

[@ilesalmo7724]

I read that she is a fan of Sandra Nasić of Guano Apes who had similar growls, so shoutout to her.

[@arc6017]

What a great reaction! Very insighful and educational. Truly special and talented band, the four of them. I have a lot of favorites but for a vocal coach the "Judgment & Punishment" One Take Vocal is right in your alley. Great video.

[@jonathanbradshaw2665]

Great reaction, Zoe! Wonderful insights.

[@wanderingfirbolg6738]

I think Home Back is one of my new favourites.

[@Paul20661]

Here we go again hehe love watching ppl react to this,one of my fav bands

[@jforden78]

You should check out Home Back. It also demonstrates her range and capabilities quite well.

[@camlloyd3321]

I agree! Check out Tatiana's one take vocal of Judgement and Punishment next!

[@dharris196285]

Please do a reaction to home back by JinJer!! It’s a must 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@SirFace4]

Jinjer - Teacher Teacher is my all time fav, or Home Back . GOTTA hit up on that. heehee

[@MrJaxdyl]

Of course more Jinjer, mainly Who is gonna be the one live. But please check out Slaughter to Prevail- Demolisher

[@rudolfbecker4313]

Wow, great reaction, lots of informations. I like your appreciation for the band, Tatiana and the music und auch dein deutsch ist sehr gut :-) I'm looking forward to hear and read more of you. Next step should be Perennial live at Wacken so you see the difference between studio and live, there is one, but both is great :-)

[@tonywacker805]

Perennial live, teacher teacher, home back, retrospection, etc etc

[@rofyle]

Funny that you mention Devy in this reaction. Jinjer's producer is Max Morton. Guess who his favorite producer is? Devin Townsend. No kidding.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

wow! Small world. ;)

[@troy6636]

🙏💡🤷 So good 😂 She is so Talented ☺️

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

100% agree!

[@bopolzka733]

A Vocal Coach analyzing Jinjer... Oh you're in for a treat.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Gosh that sounds foreboding and exciting all at once! She is pretty awesome. Insane ability to switch between clean / distorted vocals.

[@semarox1105]

God i miss New Zealand. Fell in love with your country back in 2018. Greetings from Germany :)

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Servus Sema! ;)

[@kirbyhans5261]

Everyone says.... I wasn't expecting that! I love it 😃

[@SwedeSpeeder]

I never knew growing up back in the 70s and 80s that one day one of my great pleasures in life would be watching people discover this video and level up. lol It is glorious, each and every time. I will miss it when those days are over. But in the meantime. . . haha :P

[@MllrtimeOnTheTube]

I'll be seeing Jinger in October and totally looking forward to seeing it! My Favorite singers are; Alissa White-Gluz, Tatiana Shmaiyuk, Brittney Hayes, a several more.

[@poluchka8803]

We are waiting. :)

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

;)

[@szpynda]

"Mara Effect" Live from Silverstudio by Spiritbox is amazing. The Best of the Best progressive vocal.

[@JABzHobbies]

Judgement and Punishment one take. You will get a very good look at how she does what she dose. Great reaction. New subscriber. Perennial live at Wacken would be my 3rd suggestion. You may also want to check out "Rule of Nines" by Spirit Box.

[@dorothyroetheli7829]

Very cool reaction!!! gotta check out the Reserectionfest performance!!!! tatiana's stage presents is insane!!!

[@leoevs441]

Well I seen Jinjer so I had to subscribe, awesome reaction, now next you have to check out the One Take Performance of Judgment and Punishment.... Please 😉👍👍🤘🤘

[@tyef572]

Perennial live in wacken please... thankyou.

[@rdsinisgalli]

Teacher, Teacher - Jinjer That is my top favorite from them.

[@Ossey1976]

Jinjer - Perennial from Wacken 2019!

[@Dark__Thoughts]

I like almost every song of them, but I will drop my usual Jinjer recommendations, if you want to check out more. The live shows are probably a little more interesting to you as a vocal coach though - the ones listed are all high quality and good songs. Official video suggestions: Teacher, Teacher I Speak Astronomy Cloud Factory Retrospection No Hoard Of Value (official lyric video) Home Back Sit Stay Roll Over Live suggestions: Perennial live at Wacken Who Is Gonna Be The One live On The Top live in Kiev Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev Judgement & Punishment (one take vocal performance)

[@renaeohlhausen7344]

Just tttttttt wait for it...

[@charlesmarlowstanfield]

I've watched dozens of these reaction videos to this song looking to find a genuinely good one, and you're might be it. Cheers.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Hi Charles, I am flattered . Thank you !

[@kuplung22]

So now I must subscribe for more jinjer. Ok

[@justdave9610]

Yay!

[@darrellbeam8053]

You commented about how the scream isn't loud and that the mike does that work. Which is true, unless you are Alex Terrible. Check out Slaughter to Prevail: Demolisher. His harsh vocals are something to behold. I will tell you, though, the group and the song are really heavy. If you are into drumming, the drummer will blow your mind too. Great reaction and reactor too. Thank you!

[@joebencze8350]

I definitely suggest more Jinger, but you should check out a band called Alien Weaponry and the song “Kai Tangata”. They’re a New Zealand metal band that is heavily influenced by their Maori ancestry, and a this song is written in the native language

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

OMG I LOVE THEM!!!!!!!! New Zealand represent! ;)

[@xptablets]

Anything Jinjer is a win. Definitely check out her live stuff. Another band to check out with unique and extreme vocals is Archspire.

[@casandraadugyamfi]

Welcome to Jinjer. If you just wanna see her, try Judgment & Punishment one take.

[@vickip3222]

Excellent reaction and analysis!! Check out all of Jinjer’s songs, they’re all different and bring something different to the table each time. Definitely do “Judgment and Punishment-one take vocal”; “Retrospection-official “; “Teacher, Teacher” (I prefer the official video for first time watches); “Home Back”, “The Prophecy”, “Pit of Consciousness “ (live in Kiev or official), and “Who’s Gonna Be The One“ for deep growls and twists; “I Speak Astronomy“ official, and “Perennial-live at Wacken “ for range.. and so many others!

[@jinjerjunkie]

Next for Jinjer please do Teacher, Teacher!, or I Speak Astronomy. Another band similar to Jinjer is Spiritbox, I recommend to check out the live vocal one take performance of the song Rule of Nines.

[@scuppernog1]

Very nice reaction, please continue on the jinjer journey this is song is great but far from their best.

[@stangriffinstan_the_alaska9668]

We all listen to you and try not to cry 😅. It never gets old 😂😂. love the insight. Peace from Stan the Alaskan

[@sinkler123]

Can you please give a try to - Spiritbox - Rule of Nines ? Would be a good followup to this one ;)

[@lilwoowoowoozie9242]

check out 'Judgment & Punishment' the one-take vocal performance by them

[@derekdecker555]

Love Jinjer!! That being said, would love you to do an analysis to Unleash The Archers. Brittney Slayes is totally the Bruce Dickinson of this era. My personal favorites are General of the Dark Army, Tonight We Ride, and The Wind That Shapes the Land.

[@tylerpd52]

Check out Devonian: Nascent by The Ocean

[@ignorethefashion]

Jinjer isn't just a singular person, it's a band. Tatiana is just the singer.

[@christopherdale1745]

I love all their stuff, but Teacher Teacher is my favorite, so far.

[@seban678]

Oh my god, what should the next one be.. The consensus seems to be the judgement & punishment one take vocal performance, and I'll agree. But Teacher teacher is a must-listen, and for a live show performance I'd suggest Who is gonna be the one over Perennial, but that's personal preference I guess.

[@antimatter2380]

if you wanna hear more gutteral with clean female vocals check out anything from the first 2 albums of The Agonist. Thank You Pain has a cool vid.

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

I will take a look thank you!

[@j.f.fisher5318]

Tatiana is epic. The one-take of Judgement & Punishment is awesome, but definitely check out a concert video at some point too. Perennial live at Wacken is the most popular, but Sit Stay Roll Over live in Melbourne has the most epic vocal tricks of any performance they've released - high, medium, and low growls (Most of their songs just use high and medium - Who Is Gonna Be The One official live and Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev are two others where she goes really low, as well as Home Back where the official video is too epic to miss), switching from growls to cleans in an instant and from cleans to growls in mid-line, and belting. Not a reaction request, but since you have dug into some of Tati's other stuff, here is a video of her singing 22 minutes of Latin-infused Nirvana with a side project band before they had to leave their homes due to the war in eastern Ukraine (Home Back is about the situation with the war and is incredibly powerful, btw) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hInMYZqem5iYqbc. Also, if you want a really deep dive, there is a print interview with Psychology Today that Tatiana did which has a huge amount of her and the band's journey.

[@MyMike1012]

Good to see a fellow kiwi doing reactions to metal! Tatiana is awesome! Lena scissorhands is another one to check out. Much love from chch

[@TheGregh1977]

Yea judgement and punishment live one take. It’s filmed from the side of her so you can see what’s she’s doing . Then perennial live at wacken is the usual progression

[@findmemusic6792]

I’m actually glad you researched them and her first. It was quite awesome seeing someone who already knew a lot about her still completely surprised!

[@ZoeStibiVocalCoach]

Thank you so much! I definitely got roasted for checking them out before having a look but I'm a huge napalm records fan so I was already well aware of what I was getting myself into. I It was actually more surprised that she was singing cleanly than I was by the scream

[@Rosannasfriend]

Great Reaction.