The thing about Wybot is that they add Pro versions to the normal versions that don't add much at all and yet they bump up the price. If you're looking for the next step up it'd be better to look at the step up model(s2)

The N1 and S1 from my understanding are the same inside, only physically/visually different outside. They did this to market and sell through different sources. For instance, in-person pool stores sell the N1 and not the S1. But if you went online to buy it, Amz only sells the S1 version. But then you have some online retailers like Wmt that sell the N1 and not the S1 too so it's not just online sellers. It's based off the retailer.

The Wybot S2 is probably the least expensive option with an ultra-fine filter. It's also still my current favorite cordless cleaner to use. These models here in this video unfortunately don't come with them.

It does, but that's all pools(chlorine or salt) and all cleaners the longer you leave it in the pool. Most modern day cleaners like the Liberty are built to handle it better than in the past. But regardless, yes, they do break down over time. Just not nearly as fast. I'm going on year 2 with the Liberty and there is some noticeable physical wear on the Liberty. Function wise though, still works great and does the job.

@imdefinitelydavid that's good to know and I appreciate your videos. I plan to get a liberty at the start of the next season. I want to try a cordless one since I have a small pool but I also want one made by a company that stands behind their products. That's why I'm leaning towards the Liberty instead of something like an aiper that has a lot of mixed reviews out there.

I totally understand that. To this day, my favorite cleaner to run during the fall/winter season(surrounded by trees) is the Dolphin Premier. It's corded, but I've had that since 2015 and only had to replace the tracks and rings a few times. Maytronics/Dolphin may be more expensive but they have thr best reputation and totally worth the price.

It picks up some, not all. Finer dust would need an ultra-fine filter and unfortunately this model doesn't have one. I heard rumors of them adding one but haven't seen it to date.

@imdefinitelydavid thanks!

Physically I would say Dolphins are built more solid/harder plastic components. The Poolmate feels thinner I would say. It's hard to tell how long these will last because they're still considered new in the pool industry

Debris wise, they all pick up the same debris, large and small. My grass flies into the pool each time I mow and they all do well. It's just those extra features like edge cleaning that make one skimmer look like it performs better than the other without edge cleaning.

Believe it or not, the Premier is still my go to for the off season! It's been years now and the Premier is still going strong. There are other units like the Polaris VRXiq+ or the Lydsto P1 that are newer with wifi and smart features but in all reality, I rarely use those features. They also don't come with as many filter options like the Premier. I think the Premier and CC Plus from Dolphin are some of the best corded cleaners on the market yes, even with their older models. Still works better than newer corded cleaners

So you have a set of steps that lead directly to your baja shelf correct? You don't have like a side wall away from the steps the cleaner can also climb onto the ledge. If that's the case, out of the 3 cleaners you mentioned I'd go with the Wybot. The Quantum is good but not as many features as the other two. It also spends a lot of time moving off main drains. I find it climbs walls/steps much less often than the other two. Scuba Pro would do well climbing I'm sure, but weight wise it's a heavy machine. Definitely feels the most premium though out of the three if you don't mind the weight and size of the pro. I would assume you mean the wybot S2 since it's around the other two price ranges. I LOVE the S2. Literally, it does really well for the price and features. It's lightweight and climbs steps to the baja just fine. If anything, you could buy the cleaner off amz and if it doesn't work out, return it from amz. If you buy it directly from the manufacturer website you might end up going through loops trying to return their cleaner. I haven't had issues, but other people have mentioned it. Hope that helps!

@@imdefinitelydavid Thanks for the info. I do have an 18" wide ledge that runs down one side of the pool to the shelf. The liberty would not climb the stairs or run the ledge to the shelf. If I go Wybot I was thinking the corded L1...although the M1 with solar panel looks promising. After dealing with the Liberty, I am not a fan of charging!

I would be reluctant with the M1 because technically it's an older model now. I actually was able to try it out back then and it wasn't great at all. The L1 would be like the Nautilus CC Plus but upgraded. One thing about that L1 is that the last few times I've used it it's been iffy with the wifi connection. It didn't do this at first but as of recently its taken me a few tries to connect it when running.

I'd have to sit down and really think about this! I could possibly do it if price wasn't an issue. A lot of the times people want the best cleaner for the best price. It's hard to value one feature over another, if it's worth more than say a different feature. Brand wise, I've been trying to use ALL of my cleaners at least once a month just to get more use out of it since I have so many. My situation is totally different than the normal pool owner so longevity wise, especially with the newer brands, I feel like I can't give a good recommendation. I mean, for me, all of the cleaners are working well so far regardless of brand... but I don't use them normally like a regular owner does.

It picks up some but if you get a lot, it would have a hard time getting all the sand. You would need a cleaner with an ultra-fine filter. Unfortunately I think this model no longer exists either. There's a newer model called the Crab that's very similar. Also doesn't do well with a lot of sand.

I still have all my cleaners. Although I don't use it every week, I'd say I run every cleaner once at least every month. I know that's not the norm for anyone else but I have so many to choose from and to test. The Freedom works great as a plug and play. Just charge it, run it, and then take it out and repeat for the next run. It's built solid like other Polaris cleaners. But again, I haven't used it daily for the last few years. Good luck! Hope that helps

It's still wet, but not sopping wet. The baskets inside each skimmer drain quickly once out of the pool. You can still see each basket dripping a little before showing the debris.

Thank you! 😃

It probably won't clean a very shallow deck(no cleaner will, at least the ones I've tested) because it needs enough water to move in and out the machine and shallow water doesn't have enough surface area.

Our shallow sundeck is about 8 inches deep and is 7’x15’. I am not concerned with having that area cleaned, just looking for a cleaner when cleaning the walls it doesn’t shut down when it gets to the sundeck area. Would be nice if it did go back to deeper water or if could program to clean floor/walls and not go up on sundeck and shutdown. Thank you for the great reviews you do!

Instead of the S1 Pro, the normal S1 would do just fine I think. Even the Wybot C1 would be a good choice. I've never had either of those two get stuck on my ledge. They both know to back up and not power down.

How shallow is your deck area? I have two small steps that all cleaners won't climb because it's only about 6 inches worth of water. But what's strange is that the cleaner should sense that and back out before getting stuck and shutting off. I have another area that's about 12-14 inches of water and most cleaners that climb will be able to get up there fine.

Thanks for this, I just got one and live in AZ too. I have been taking it out at night and wondering if any sort of maintenance is needed. Sounds like not much!

In eco mode it will only clean the floors of the pool. Doesn't climb walls/ledges/waterline. Turns on every other day for about a week. On floor only mode, it will clean only the floor as well. No ledges/walls/waterline. But in floor mode it runs longer than in eco mode in one run. It will only climb the walls in "Floor and Wall" mode or "Wall mode". Hope that helps!

Unfortunately there hasn't been one cleaner I've used that will clean a shallow ledge of 6 or 7 inches. It's just too shallow for cleaners to circulate water in and out and to move about

I haven't heard of a pool skimmer catching fire but I have heard of a few cordless robotic cleaners. It's always an issue with water seeping into the charging port. Like hidden water. Where you think the cleaner is dry but there's some moisture somewhere that gets inside. Thanks for the info

Sounds like a bad battery. Did you try contacting Wybot?. It should still be under warranty. The battery is actually easy to access and replace unlike older models

Algae, dirt, sand and any other smaller debris is picked up much better by an ultra-fine filter.

Hi David. I am ready to purchase a cordless pool cleaner. I live in So. California so we use the pool year round. My budget is $700. It can be higher if need be. Please help😂 I would live a recommendation from you!

My current favorite cleaner is the Wybot S2. It's cordless, lightweight, lots of features. I think it's about 100 dollars more but out of all the cleaners I have right now, it's my preference. Also, if you don't need an ultra-fine filter take a look at the Wybot C1 or Aiper Scuba S1. Those are less expensive and will do the job well assuming no need for an ultra-fine filter. Hope that helps!

@imdefinitelydavid Should I get a skimmer as well? Or bust my budget and get an all in one? Btw...I really appreciate your videos and thank you for the quick response.

I love the cordless cleaner plus skimmer combo. It works amazingly well during SWIM SEASON. But during the winter months with less sunlight it gets annoying charging the skimmer to run it the next day if you want to use it(I would rather just use a pool net and skim rather than charge every day). If you close your pool, you don't have to worry about that. But swim season, with solar charging, it's awesome and makes maintenance a breeze. Glad I can help! 😃

I fully agree with you. They don't answer anybody.

The pattern is dependant on the shape of your pool I'd say. If you have more of a curvier base as opposed to sharper angle you'd choose one pattern over the other. Only way to know which is best is to test it for your specific pool really

@@imdefinitelydavid thanks for the insight!

The Aiper is a good choice. I would rank it equal to the Betta skimmer. I didn't think it was necessary to add the Aiper in there with the mix of these kind of different class(cost difference) cleaners. It would definitely be on the level of the Betta though. Originally when I first used the Aiper it worked amazing. The app worked perfect for a few months. But since then it pretty much crapped out and I can no longer log into it. You pay slightly more for the Aiper over the Betta because of the app features and since that quit on me, the Betta would be my preferred choice over the two. Cleans the same as the Aiper but costs less because no app features.

Sorry to hear! I had an issue with the magnets a while back and they sent me a brand new skimmer. Hope they figure this out for you.

@@imdefinitelydavid The owners manual has a website address that is invalid. No way to get a hold of the manufacturer to use the warranty. That was a lot of money for only 3 months of using the product.

Reach out to the seller on amz. I was able to contact them there and they offered a refund or full replacement.

It's totally random unfortunately. It does come with a hook to attach to a pool pole if that helps

Hello! The Zima Pro is an ok cleaner, it was great in being one of the first hybrid cleaners. But now, it tends to fall short of the new Hydro 4 which has better tech. So hands down, Hydro 4 as a hybrid wins. Now compare it to the CC plus... The CC Plus is always a good choice. Brand dependability, great cleaning, with a great price. If that's all you need(which most people only really do), then it's a great choice. But if you want extra features with the newer tech/online features, Hydro 4 corded wins. Overall, it's definitely a pick your features question. Hope that makes sense.

In terms of cleaning alone, the Liberty comes with ultra-fine filters so it picks up smaller debris much better. But if you don't get a lot of small debris, I prefer the polaris, it climbs and moves better i would say than the Liberty. If the Polaris had an ultra-fine filter option it would win