186 - The Disappearance of Gail Joiner

[@tracieday8661]

Now why would you see a young girl wrapped in newspaper and bound without stopping to help? I hope the lady was lying because if she passed her by she's a coward.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

Yes that a bit weird and strange that one would not call the police or stop and help a young girl.

[@jenniferthompson3546]

Geeze I thought the same thing. Then I remembered... this is Florida we are talking about.

[@NovemberRain007]

I was thinking the same thing... Also, I thought the lady was lying about what she said she saw, but the little girl wrapped in newspaper was eventually found, she was a 12 year old that had run away from a group home; more about this at 24:08.

[@barbaramason3145]

In 1956, a first grade friend was hit by a bike, up in the air, witnessed by a neighbor, who did nothing. Susan Lawrence, died of subdural hematoma, her parents didn't know anything had happened until it was too late. The neighbor actually told my mother

[@mphillips01ify]

@@NovemberRain007 But the witness knew none of that at the time of the sighting. IMHO, the witness fabricated the sighting, or they had something to hide (not necessarily associated with this crime); after all, as someone already said, it IS Florida.

[@blonderoast3032]

I keep hearing people say "it was a different time" when referring to letting children go out unaccompanied... or even keeping doors unlocked, or of the like. It's not that it was any safer back then... we just didn't have access to the world around us back then like we do now. We're just aware of it now.

[@LichuStar64]

A bit. But everyone has access to the same info, yet still, some places still have kids running around to this day. It's just this kind of thing hasn't happened in those places yet.

[@waynecolburn8849]

That is true. I had oeds try to come on to me when I was about 13 and 14 back in thrv60s. We called them fruitcakes back then. And thought it funny.

[@Miapetdragon69]

I completely understand that, I grew up in Chicago, we ran around until the lights came on and that was our indication to go in, if we didn't show up then and our parents found us, this was back in the day when they take a belt to your hind end, so we obeyed.... LOL.

[@blonderoast3032]

My dad grew up in one side of the tracks, my mom on the other (they're boomers). My dad told my mother one time, after she said something about things "not being like they used to"... "sure they are, you just lived a sheltered life."

[@Tiffaloni]

I have said the same. Nothing has changed. You just didn’t have access to news stories across the country like we do now. You only heard your local news. If you listen to true crime you realize there were a lot of kidnappings in the 70’s and 80’s too. My mom told us a story of a man following her and trying to talk to her while she was walking to her friends house. That was late 50’s or early 60’s. So she started running. When my brother was little in the 80’s he was at the store with my mom. He was sitting by the front door of the store while my mom shopped and some lady wanted to take his picture. He ran away. But I feel like she may have had bad intentions. When I was a teen waiting on the bus stop one night a guy in a white van with no windows offered me a ride. I was like no that’s ok my dads on his way to get me. I think we all have one of those stories where something bad could have happened.

[@Jeskers18]

It's always so sad when family members of the victims pass away before getting closure.

[@jubi400]

I grew up in the 70's. Until the internet came along, I had no idea that kids were being picked off like flies all over our country. And I have to say, being 13 back then, a young girl is not a YOUNG WOMAN. But a child! Still with a child's mentality, she had no idea of the dangers out there in her little world. Bless her soul, wherever she may be.

[@nicholasjohnson6724]

Yes, i was born in 1968, during the 70s, as a child myself, stranger danger was mentioned, but we really didnt truely beleive it was true. Sadly, it was.......

[@TigersandBearsOhMy]

Thank you! I hate when he describes children as young women... It makes my skin crawl.

[@itallia666]

As someone whos childhood was in the 1950s & 60s & grew up in a village in the very far north of England i can say that we literally lived outdoors because there was no technology. The kidS today have things ie phones & computer games etc we did outdoor persuits like building camps in local woodland, making homemade go carts, horse riding, Wild flower picking etc However the main point is we were never alone ! We were ALWAYS in groups, most of my friends grew up together & went to the same village school Nothing was ever done by ourselves. We would go to each friends door 1st thing in the morning & gather together working out our itinery for the day. Sometimes in a large group or split up in sets of no less than 4 kids. I also remember the older members of our community would sit outside their homes on seats etc just watching & marking what was happening Call them old nosey parkers but if anyone wanted to know anything these older residents knew it all. If someones child was lost, the elder ones would point out where they had gone & who with This resulted in a very safe community & no child was ever truely lost, they were always found, always. We played outside from dawn to dusk & our parents knew we were safe because we were together at all times Sadly this kind of looking out for each other is gone, kids are unaware of dangers & the safety of being in numbers as most are glued to screens or phones & outdoor persuits are limited now Plus older people dont sit outside their doors much now & dont get to know the younger members of their communities Also they are afraid of being typed as nosy people or too familiar with kids Its really a sad state of affairs There is no innocence anymore No trust, no true childhood Im blessed to have had a wonderful childhood & always felt wrapped in safety by my friends together, had marvellous adventures & knew the real happiness of friends who cared & looked out each other. Thank you for this video, missing children are so terrifying & sad & unforgetable 🇬🇧👧

[@jacqui7672]

Your comments are so accurate. Talk about nosey neighbor's, when every other house has those door cams or cctv!!! And they record every move and sound. I'm glad I haven't had to grow up since the advent computerization and mobile phones.

[@truth4004]

Kids still get snatched from groups. You got lucky.

[@thomasmacginnes100]

i had that in new england until i needed to see the world and what an eye Opener it has been ! no coming back from there , and time’ waits for no man ! / woman!

[@itallia666]

@Happy Dog 🇬🇧 Thank you for your reply Happy Dog, So pleased you also had a great childhood watched over by the community which always was the case, once upon a time. I had one reply which stated or implied i was looking at the world in rose tinted specs Well, its obvious this person wasnt privileged to have grown up in a time or place when my kind of childhood was rather the norm. I know big cities are alot different, but having said that, ive been to many large cities past & present where there are neighbourhoods where a cluster of concerned communities live, who still look out for their own & children in particular! Visiting New York many times over the years & staying in certain places where ive got to know the people aroundabouts who still sit on their door stoop watching the kids muck about & will actively enquire to the business of strangers in their area, getting their worth & if they are up to funny business In fact it was one of the reasons i kept staying in certain areas because of the sense of community involvement, safety & Concern Sometimes these places were quite poor or of mainly ethnic people but i was welcomed so genuinely & made to feel secure that i returned to them It was wonderful to be recognised by these people & shouted to & waved at after a 10month absence & once after an 18month absence, my name being called out & greetings said to me i was astounded.. I could have afforded really high end hotels in classy areas but honestly never felt safe & after my very 1st stay in N. York moved from my 5 star hotel to a little bed & breakfast in Brooklyn later visits in Queens & there abouts This great advice was given me by a N York Italian American taxi driver who gave me places to stay that were excellent & within a warm caring community So places like my own childhood still exist & within huge major cities too. I hope you are well, happy & feel secure in your surroundings as i do myself still to this day 🇬🇧👧

[@itallia666]

@Happy Dog Oh so many thanks for your reply Yes, as we age we become so much more security concious. I suppose in days long past, people or pioneers in your great & beautiful country were just as security concious as we are today. Theres security in mumbers but also security way off grid too Its like being between the devil & a hard place!!! However im a great believer in gut instinct which i feel after many long years ive honed it to a high level of alertness Ive never ever not trusted in my intuition & gut feeling & its never let me down. Sad in a way It's like it is, yet its more exposed nowadays by the multi media outlets we have & Which we sometimes scare ourselves to death with. I dont blame you for your security, better safe than sorry And bugger to anyone who makes derisive comment You keep safe girl & stay happy & contented With cheers & blessings to you & your doggie companions 🇬🇧👧

[@pulaski1]

Unfortunately by far the greatest liklihood is that she was dead within 24 hours, and either buried in a shallow grave in one of the numerous wilderness thickets in Florida, or her body was weighted down and slung into a pond, lake, drainage canal, or river. I would rate this as one of the TE cases that is least likely to ever have any sort of definitive solution ... _perhaps_ unless the police release more information about the other suspects.

[@BrenMurphy1]

Aside from a deathbed confession, this one's going to stay a "mystery"

[@michellesingleton331]

Bren Murphy exactly 😢😢

[@BrenMurphy1]

@@aracelirodriguez8884 (shakes head making tsk tsk sound) I don't think we are going to get the answer to this one 😂

[@ShanePodClips]

I live in thononsassa 😳 and got goosebumps listening to this while I was delivering Uber in the area today. I said some kind words for her and 🙏 prayed she was resting in peace.

[@cosmicshy637]

❤💔🙏

[@moonchildluvsbobcrane]

As an only child I spent alot of time playing alone in the yard. The world can be a dangerous place. May she be found some day. 🕯

[@GenXfrom75]

I was an only child, too. Born in 1975. I spent hours playing alone.

[@Fountainofyouthstor1]

Thanks!

[@davidingling9791]

Gonna watch later! Dude you are really putting them out ! Excellent

[@sdannecker6944]

Aww, a pet raccoon? She sounds precious.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

And “Bandit” is such a cute name - they look like old-school bandits with the stripe across their eyes. She seems like such a sweet, imaginative, promising young girl, and to think some pathetic monster took her life so callously and never bothered to say *anything* about the location of her remains (seriously - couldn’t someone have left an anonymous message at some point?! Just to help the suffering family to bring her home and give her a place to rest?)

[@anonymousreviews6170]

@@4Mr.Crowley2 I think it’s safe to say they enjoy seeing people suffer since they are miserable disgusting human beings. They get pleasure out of having control over people’s emotions. How anyone gets to this point is hard to fathom.

[@Miss-320]

I thought so too. She sounds like a precious little girl. Curious about nature and a loving heart with her pet. Tragic 😢

[@cosmicshy637]

Thought the same.. too cute. 😢❤💔

[@mphillips01ify]

What kind of person could see a young girl walking down the road, nude, with newspapers wrapped around her, and not call the police within 60 seconds?

[@TheRoadhammer379]

A liar or a fool. Nowadays, a Karen sees kids playing basketball and calls 911 for a noise complaint.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

I have NO idea - this sounds insane, and I suspect the person invented this “sighting” later (it’s crazy how often that happens).

[@josephdale69]

60 seconds? People didn’t have cell phones back then and 911 wasn’t out yet.

[@annabellelee4535]

@@4Mr.Crowley2 Yet the police found the girl who said she spent the night in an empty house with another girl who had a raccoon.

[@anonymousreviews6170]

Heartless people who can’t be bothered to help anyone

[@mphillips01ify]

Nice job on the video, btw. Just watched a "Hollywood-produced" true crime video, that had background music so loud I couldn't watch the entire video. I have an urge to go back and leave a comment with a link to this video, and suggest they come see what a professionally-done video is like. Excellent narration, writing, editing, everything. New subscriber for sure, and thanks for your work.

[@truth4004]

I can't stand the music on crime vids. Or any vids for that matter. Filler music.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

I think these older cases are more eerie, all them years and nothing, it’s terrible and scary, I was only 3 months old when she went missing and have a brother her age so it makes one think about where would she be in today’s world, very sad to fathom.

[@MelissaModsMetal]

My mom was just 2 weeks younger than Gail. Weird to think it could have been my mom that disappeared without a trace.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

@@MelissaModsMetal yes it’s terrible to think about. It’s terrible people just vanish and go missing.

[@Fti193]

I always fear this type of story to me I could never stop looking m get a physic for sure n hope the energy is still there . It probably would kill me . I’ve already loss a son at 37 yrs old was to short , I always wonder how he would b if he lived yes it’s always hard ,but I try to Live my Life for him . Peace . Love n Gods bless us all

[@visassess8607]

@@Fti193 "Psychics" are manipulative grifters who prey on those in unfortunate circumstances to extort money from them.

[@coreym162]

...and Epic :/

[@maureenhaley5837]

You make an accurate point. It was just as dark in the' '50's, '60's and '70's. I was 8 yrs old in the '50's when a predator caught me fishing alone. No reports to police and adults hushed it up. No support for survivors.

[@RawOlympia]

chilling.

[@anonymousreviews6170]

Wow 😞 I’m so sorry nobody acknowledged your trauma. I hope you were able to deal with it and move forward.

[@jeromeburdine966]

Lol, my gf ended a phonecall when your notification popped up. 🤣

[@tracieday8661]

It's all about priorities my man 😆

[@amymurphy8000]

Well, yeah, of course. 😉

[@shawndouglass2939]

Haha!!! 😉

[@katerryjackson749]

Beautiful young girl. Hope her family find answers

[@nicoletrandel2966]

Sadly both parents passed away and she lost three brothers. So they never found out what happened to their daughter before they passed. But she's in heaven now. And whoever did this to her is going to stand in judgment before God almighty. It's a sad world we live in nowadays. In the world is more evil and more wicked. And Satan is out here to kill and destroy

[@coreym162]

@@nicoletrandel2966 The world was always this dangerous. If not, this wouldn't have happened back then. We just have news saying so more availably since a 24 hour news cycle. Also, another difference is the victims can be reported and have a voice and the suspect is more likely to get caught. Forensics is very old science. Proof this has been a problem for a very very long time. It's only now something can be done about it.

[@cosmicshy637]

​@@nicoletrandel2966 ❤🎯🎯

[@kristenschnese698]

This is a sad story. Here’s one for you to look at The disappearance of Evelyn Hartley in 1953 vanished while babysitting..

[@GenXfrom75]

It's an INCREDIBLY frustrating case.

[@j.khuster2024]

Ed Gein.

[@shelleynobleart]

Rest in Peace, dear Gail.

[@garrethgoodworth2494]

The commentary post-case-file reminded me of why I love your podcast. Thank you, Steven. Methinks Bandit has all the answers.

[@marygoff3332]

So damn sad. I had a pet raccoon named Bandit too. No joke.

[@janiterinadrum1627]

A woman sees a little girl naked with her hands bound behind her back and newspapers all over and she doesn't call the police or stopped to see what's the matter? How neighborly

[@anonymousreviews6170]

Right! That is terrible to think the victim is seeing potentially there only hope of saving them drive by without a second thought. Heart breaking 😞

[@visassess8607]

Exactly and people have the gall to say things were better back then and everyone knew each other

[@coreym162]

@@visassess8607 Exactly. The past was more dangerous. Don't care what anyone from those days says. They just dodged a series of bullets they had no idea they were dodging. I grew up in the 1980's and 90's and I know all of the sketch I'd encountered and bullets I'd dodged. Family too.

[@finolaomurchu8217]

Gail and her pet racoon, she was an amazing little girl. I feel very moved by the way she had a little pet with her. Beautiful pure soul.☘Poor James and Fran bless them, reunited with Gail now. The Stanno man, would be very suspicious. 10 miles from the area. If she was barefoot, maybe after some distance her feet were sore if she got a splinter on sole of foot. Maybe she'd gladly take lift.

[@lynpatricia6854]

We're there alligators in that lake? The fact she would fish by hand at edge of lake put her at risk and if a gator got Bandit I am sure she would have tried to save him.

[@heynursie5918]

That is a good point Lyn

[@papprazziusa4817]

Some people swim there , I would say probably not alot back then. I lived nearby.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

The issue with that though is that the likelihood that no trace of her - even including some clothing - would wash back to shore (I hate to say this but it’s true) is highly unlikely.

[@carolinemanuel5996]

Of course there are always gators in Florida water but at this time they had almost gone extinct. They were officially an endangered species starting in 1967.

[@RawOlympia]

@@carolinemanuel5996 I had no idea! Wow!

[@LeilaRosette]

Omg and a pet raccoon?! 🥺 RIP Gail and Bandit. 💔

[@marlenedouglas7957]

How sad for the parents the pain would be immense

[@tinawindham6958]

Yes, I can’t imagine the grief. My cat has been gone 6 days and I wonder where she could be or who would have hurt her.

[@truth4004]

To not know has to be the worst thing.

[@Calaveraqueen24]

@@tinawindham6958 a pet is nothing like a child

[@Badger705]

I can't help but feel that since Gail's sister Linda was approached the same day that it was someone familiar with both girls or the family. Out of all the people in the area it can't be a coincidence that the sisters were both involved with what sounds like the same description of the man and car. It could have been someone trolling the area that had observed both girls together previously. I feel it was someone living in the area at the time.

[@mthivier]

I'm a big fan of your podcasts, Steven, but I usually skip over the episodes having to do with children, but I did listen to this one. How incredibly sad, not just because Gail was only 13, but also because she truly seemed like a sweet, beautiful, spunky young woman who would have likely grown up to make some kind of a contribution to the world. I was particularly touched by her love of animals -- her raccoon, in particular -- and her apparent love of all things living. It saddens me to be reminded that there is such evil in this world that would take a girl like this away from her parents, who must have endured a pain so deep and unending that it would be unfathomable to most of us.

[@sheffieldamanda]

Looks like this monster has got away with murder 😓

[@cypher7648]

Really a sad story. How awful and heartbreaking for her parents to have never found out what really happened to their daughter. You did a great job . Your attention to details is amazing , and great narration. First time watching and I am immediately subscribed. Thank you, a really well done video!👍👌🙏💯

[@VanishedPNW]

This one got me a bit. Poor girl. She was like a little Tom Sawyer. Wish her parents could have got their chance at closure.

[@dannygray4898]

Actually, sexual crimes and murders/serial killers were far more common back in the 70s and 80s, then they are now. No CCTV cameras and mobile phones everywhere back then.

[@ginexkasachstan]

If someone points a weapon at you to force you in a car you actually dont have to know the person at all to get in. Abduction is the most likely thing what happened as described by Steven with the racoon story... Sad it will never be solved, hope they find her sceletal remains at least

[@alicepotter8165]

After a Target parking lot abduction, rape and murder here, I decided I would rather die in the parking lot rather than the aftermath.

[@marygoff3332]

@@alicepotter8165 100%. My ex husband was a Sheriff. In 90%+ of the cases, the victim is killed when they are moved to a 2nd location (away from abduction spot) - you need to fight with all your might as the situation unfolds. Do NOT allow yourself to be moved via vehicle or otherwise....

[@lturner6256]

You are absolutely correct. You never, ever allow yourself to be taken to a secondary location. You fight with all your might and force the abductor to remove you from the primary location.

[@maroonforsyth7011]

They are not "allowing" themselves. They are crime victims.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

Jim Clemente, former fbi guy and investigator, always states that one should never, ever, ever go to a secondary location as the likelihood of the outcome being positive is nearly zero. Better to face fate immediately - as horrible as that idea is - rather than be tortured for hours. It’s horrible but realistic unfortunately.

[@chuxter1092]

I literally cried when he was descsribing how bad it was for the parents after her disappearance, especially her Dad. I was a daddies girl and I can't even fathom how my father would have felt, let alone would have done. He never would have stopped looking for me. Unfortunately it was me that had to deal with losing my father instead as he passed away when my sister and I were teenagers from Lou Gehrig's disease.

[@annabellelee4535]

I'm so sorry, that's so sad. I lost my father 8 years ago and it still hurts.

[@april.lynne17]

She was 12…she was not a young woman, she was a Child.

[@pipermaru5402]

Yeah, it happens to Stephen from time to time, it's a little bit out of place.

[@grapeshot]

And I was stationed at Fort Hood when I was in the US Army I knew somebody that had a pet raccoon. It was pretty tame even though I think it thought it was a dog. Because they also had a pet dog.

[@kevinoshea4134]

???????????

[@drakich1]

@@kevinoshea4134 I like kitties 🙂

[@kevinoshea4134]

@@drakich1 that's nice me too 😊

[@grapeshot]

@@kevinoshea4134 there's nothing to be questioned about is self-explanatory the comment that is.

[@grapeshot]

@@trumpwon8064 I think some people just like to press the thumbs up button.

[@otaku1524]

Wow. This case is the most puzzling and the most enigmatic I have ever heard of. To go 40+ years without even one iota of development is incredible.

[@christinashane9504]

Thanks Steve! I’ll have you know since you’ve been doing new videos, I’ve been sleeping like a baby! 😴

[@jaylew8408]

The whole story by itself is heartbreaking,anger inducing, and pathetic on the part of the coward p.o.s who took her .. After hearing her relationship with the raccoon, it kinda made everything more sad and depressing

[@tyroneashford1195]

What the HELL became of the story. About, the girl wearing newspaper, and hands bound, by the Orange Grove. Who said, "I, spent the night in an abandoned home, with a girl and a RACCOON!" Plus, she was bitten on the hand, by some animal.🙄 Maybe by a 🦝? -Min. Obie Amos.

[@truth4004]

Yeah im wondering about that, its not like a raccoon is a common pet.

[@thomasmacginnes100]

That is ‘the Key’ and that 12yr. old was a prisoner at that ‘group house’ ! Where were the Childrens Advocates in all of this cluster flutch !

[@mrst7831]

It's great to see cold cases highlighted via social media and solved through DNA. This may keep some of the "senior" criminals looking over their shoulder. Too bad some are found, but deceased.

[@AlanSpenceAlanGCCMSpence]

I had a pet Racoon named JD! He was liter box trained like a cat! Loved shiny things! And taking a shower with me! He got the bubbles and would let me shampoo him! Just a cool little guy! Much better then the pet skunk I had also! Lol true! Had his sprayer taken out! Had him 6 years! He passed! Well got hit by a car! The vet put him to sleep forever while I was holding him an comforting him loving on him! I cried like a big ol baby! But I was only 19..in 1978 Would like another Racoon! Lol

[@user-jc8py7dw7r]

Use more exclamation points, please.

[@sierram5458]

🥰 love this

[@RawOlympia]

She and Bandit would have loved you both too. We have one who knocks on the back door at nite for a nibble. Very sweet.

[@stephaniewilliams6756]

This is a solemn case, hardly about the Raccoon buddy. Make it more about yourself, why don't you

[@mckster56]

Ty for this show

[@susanbartlett-ye6476]

Thank you for this case and posting tje case numbers...hopefully one say this and other cases can be solved... keep up the good work!

[@teresamiles3826]

Saddest case I've watched since I got interested in watching these cold cases and what's even more tragic is the fact that there will be another case that I will come across that's gonna be even sadder. . ...

[@thomasmacginnes100]

that is not the Nature of Thought You should entertain dear one

[@jh6614]

You have absolutely spoiled me for the weekend! 😁😊💕

[@heideggerm2]

Stano sounds like a serial confessor. Strange, but nothing new. Henry Lee Lucas was a serial confessor as well.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

And Lucas’s infamous buddy Otis Toole (who claimed to have murdered Adam Walsh after many years but I have never believed his confession as he was as untrustworthy as Lucas)

[@1972dsrai]

Her poor parents, both passed never knowing what happened to thier daughter.

[@webbygirl_]

I love you Stephen P thank you for your service.

[@papprazziusa4817]

I was a kid when she went missing, I lived in Thonotossa too.

[@Miapetdragon69]

Has anybody looked into the doe project? There are a lot of missing people that they have been unable to identify, so looking into that would probably be a good thing as well as keeping if anyone's alive under observation.

[@annabellejane6686]

Very good point! I keep forgetting about cross referencing that to missing persons cases!

[@truth4004]

Have you seen the channel cold case project? the do the doe network and more.

[@thesacredmountain3448]

Are there any Does that match her description around that area?

[@TigersandBearsOhMy]

Hearing a 13 year old being called a "woman" feels gross... A woman is defined as an adult female. Please, please stop calling children women. I've been a fan since episode 15 and it makes me cringe every time I hear it.

[@shawndouglass2939]

Ditto my friend. 😉

[@kevinoshea4134]

I'm in trace evidence heaven

[@cadillacdeville5828]

He takes such care when he does his stories

[@thomasmacginnes100]

pretty darn comprehensive

[@kateturner1849]

Wow. You see a little girl bound and covered with newspaper and you ignored it? What kind of human being does that?😡

[@TheRoadhammer379]

I think she was lying.

[@bekah9651]

Well i am sure locked in to this episode already, as i run my own wildlife rescue, mostly raccoons.

[@sierram5458]

Thank you for helping precious wildlife 🥰

[@thomasmacginnes100]

here is a thought for you ‘rescuer of ‘coons’. “wildlife” outfits like the ‘state’, say these animals carry rabies, so they put or rather dump from aircraft in huge amounts, packets of digestible (vaxx.) for these animals with a taste to encourage their eating of them.....dosage levels then become way over limit. Consequently , the animal will always test pos.+. for whatever they are looking for. ‘coons’ which repeatedly raid dumpsters are always subject to pathogenic effluvia and will test for anything you test for, these are ones which need removal to remote habitat to regain a natural life of their kind and be thus Rehabed !

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

It was rampant at the time for the cops gave information to people willing to confess.

[@anthonytrischitta9968]

This pod should be well over 300k subs 90k doesn’t seem right

[@marcellocalbesi]

Can you do an episode on the case of Jody Ledkins

[@antonglas7488]

A child walking alone in a remote area quite far from home is a victim waiting to happen. Gail was obviously snatched, no witnesses, no clues, unreliable sightings and confessions from crazy guys. Sadly, there is no chance of finding Gail and the odds are she`s dead. Regarding her pet racoon, taking into consideration that raccoons are not domesticated animals the racoon probably run off into the woods and disappeared into the wilderness. Very tragic for the family.

[@karenmcmillian6373]

Why wouldn’t this woman have called the police why didn’t she try to help her?!😡😡😡😡Are you serious a young girl naked wrapped in newspapers and she didn’t think she needed help?!! OMG I don’t know how that woman lives with herself even though it wasn’t her that doesn’t change anything!! I hope she was haunted the rest of her life just knowing she DIDNT try to help this child knowing something wasn’t right! I’m so tired of hearing people call a child of her age a young woman their not young women at that age they are a child a young teen yes not woman!!😡😡

[@RepentfollowJesus]

They need to send her dna through the nationwide dna network. If she was abducted she could be anywhere . Or her body could.

[@jsundt9024]

I bet that sister feels bad that she didn’t go along

[@TheRoadhammer379]

I'm sure but why comment on it?

[@EON314]

I think of it this way: As the stars dissipate with time so does that darkness befall on the world we live in, through out time life has simply just gotten harder with every generation experiencing their own hardships that may have been seemingly easier to the generation before. You can see this just from the imagination of what frightens or terrifies the common person today dealing with social struggles or views, for instance in the 60s they didn't worry about school shootings happening every month or every other week, nowadays there is one almost every other day primarily focusing on children.

[@thomasmacginnes100]

these things you speak of are “orchestrations” intended to produce a definitive Result!! We can only Be Aware and stop the ReActionary Response and Demand all the details down to who had Controls over the ones perpetrating the deeds and the ones with their hands in their pockets Failing to act as per their Responsibility !!

[@Zockopa]

Sadly the US is full of such stories.

[@Zockopa]

@@trumpwon8064 Well,in the international ranking in this matter the US is comfortably placed among so called third world countries.

[@samvue9219]

Sad😢

[@donnablack6280]

I don't think it can have been a teacher from the school or her sister would have recognised him. But I do think the vehicle is important.

[@TigersandBearsOhMy]

They had just moved to the area so her sister wouldn't have known the teachers for the younger grades. Also, it says Gail went to a junior highschool. Her sister may have gone to a different school all together, as she was some years older.

[@viccreed9999]

This is extremely disturbing

[@okie-kan9240]

I think a small amount is due to not being informed of things that went on. But for the most part, yes, the world has become more sick and dark. There is a societal change, that is quite noticeable.

[@TheRoadhammer379]

Remember, back then the news was on a more local /regional scale. CNN was the first nationwide 24 HR news Channel. People felt insulated from horrors like Gacy and Bundy, with news only reported for their area.

[@shannonchartier2060]

I wished you had gone into deeper research on the girl who said she stayed in a house with another girl who had a pet raccoon. Seriously what are the chances of that? She had even been bitten?

[@MormonHoldem]

I think the runaway girl lied about this, the video said her story fell to pieces when questioned

[@shannonchartier2060]

Had the information about the raccoon been made public? Maybe she thought it was in her best interest to not get involved.

[@thomasmacginnes100]

there was a “girl” an inmate of a [group house] ! if she were witness to something materiel’ , and some person authorised to oversee any ‘facts or accounts’ given, leaves that authority or associate-group to (steer) the investigation away from or to those facts & statements or Not,

[@radicaltexannewsviews7685]

Grown wmn sees teen tied w/out clothes wtf lady ur nutz or evil 4 not doing anything to help her

[@annabellelee4535]

Well, in her defense, streaking was very popular at that time by teens and others.

[@LichuStar64]

Nasty to think about but... It's Florida and she liked going even n the water. Maybe a gator got her?

[@papprazziusa4817]

Alot of people swam there and still do, back then there were not as many gators like now.

[@annabellelee4535]

The alligator was almost extinct at that time. They were on the endangered list in 1967 and most Floridians had never seen one in the 1970s.

[@tyroneashford1195]

I know Gail's parents(James & Fran)and family. Have suffered tremendously, behind this sinister crime. The violation of their daughter. Yet, I wished at 13 years old; that she not allowed. To go walking alone, throughout a wooded area. And down to the lake! (I've seen a few programs; on how creepy Florida is.) -Min. Obie Amos.

[@annabellelee4535]

I would wander around the woods all alone at the age of 8 or so in the 1960s. Florida isn't creepy, I loved that state!

[@Bothrops54]

I can remember as a 5 year old being allowed to roam my community im talking being ableto go 2- 3 miles away from my home multiple times...would have been 1973. As i grew up and had my own children and wouldent let them out of my sight until they were older teenagers...i questioned my mother as to what she was thinking...and i got that response...ih it was a different time. Dont believe that a bit..i think she was just a careless mother.

[@cosmicshy637]

That little boy they hurt.. DISGUSTING ANIMALS. 🤬🤬🤬

[@heynursie5918]

Maybe...The main difference was they locked up or even put to death the killers now they release them to kill again.

[@nicoletrandel2966]

Yeah well if you live in Illinois stupid Governor here is past some type of a bill where they're going to let criminals out. Who knows why! Rapists murderers people that should not be walking the streets are going to be walking the streets soon. I think it's called the safety act. If you move anywhere, don't move to Illinois!!!!!!

[@thomasmacginnes100]

This case was expertly presented and analysed by the narrator. My experience growing up put me in a position of having met many personality types holding many and varied positions of authority as well as countless “hippie” types who were rather common in that day and in large part were forthcoming with their varied experiences which put them in that manner of lifestyle and wishes to liberate from the strait-jacket nature of the times. When it came to those older and in possession of trust&authority, that became an entirely different “kettle of fish”. The time of this young free spirited childs’ disappearance was shortly after what was referred as the period of liberation by young people and was ill understood by those ‘older’ and having grown up under the strictures of a society still recovering from the shock of witnessing such freedoms being exhibited by youth. How is it that purportedly responsible officialdom Failed in all the points you made clear in the account of your research (?) This ‘fail’ disgusts me !! as i can recall ‘flower children” as the saying went of young and free ,anti-war ,loving life& beauty girls were mishandled by old’err persons and authorities who felt Privileged and muchly Acted so ! For some (reason) i would have to determine that (something) significant has been ‘left out’ in the half-ass investigation!

[@paulafrazier9105]

Did the witness who knew the family and claimed to have seen Gail walking drive a white car? Did the police ever consider him as a suspect? It was said in the video that Gail would have never gotten into a car with someone she didn't know.

[@richboz3156]

Just a thought, could it have been an alligator attack? If she was getting fish for her pet coon, she would have been in shallow waters.

[@annabellelee4535]

At that time alligators were nearly extinct in Florida and they were only a few years into being protected so there were very few gators in the Everglades and none in cities and towns.

[@kathydavenport4422]

This is horrific I’m happy this other girl is alive and safe I don’t understand what happened to Gail I hope she is doing good but if not may she Rest In Peace and who ever did this to her May all their crimes fall back on them tenfold or more. I’m going to watch the rest of this and hope for the best for her and her family and friends

[@thomasmacginnes100]

there is always the possibility she was taken and made to forget her former life and is alive and even a mother of children... we should have a place where persons with blanks’ and mystery pasts could tell their stories .

[@visassess8607]

@@thomasmacginnes100 She was 13, she would definitely remember something that traumatic if true.

[@IIImobiusIII]

Here's my idea. Her Racoon was grabbed by a Crocodile and when she tried to save it She was eaten. It is Florida we're talking about. They have Crocs in that area and a Woman was just eaten by a Croc there in Thonotosasa. Although rare, things like this happen and a Racoon on a leash... Sounds like Croc baiting to me. 🐊

[@TheRoadhammer379]

Crocs are salt water amphibians. It would be a gator

[@IIImobiusIII]

@@TheRoadhammer379 You're right and in fact they were put on the endangered list in 1975. Even now, after a successful conservation effort, their population is estimated at on 2000 in Florida. Contrary to popular belief Crocs are quite happy to live in freshwater, but numbers are numbers. It was a Gator. I have neither creature in my surroundings and honestly, the closest I have ever come to one is Lacoste, avid Indoorsman that I am.

[@annabellelee4535]

Florida doesn't have crocodiles, and in 1973 they didn't have many alligators since they were almost extinct. They were critically endangered in 1967 and it took decades to bring them back . So, no, no crocodiles, no alligators.

[@IIImobiusIII]

@@annabellelee4535 Point taken. I only thought this because of recent events in that area. It is not hard to believe that foul play was involved. I was almost killed by a Serial Killer myself at 18. Whether a Wind coming from a Cloud or a Stranger in a Crowd. The Play is the Tragedy Man and its Hero the Conqueror Worm.

[@annabellelee4535]

@@IIImobiusIII The great Edgar A Poe! I love him. I am so glad you survived a meeting with a serial killer. They are monsters.

[@truth4004]

I wonder how many people get kidnapped and kept in some loonies basement. :/ And are listed as runaways or missing.

[@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door]

Too many!

[@tinamintz738]

Could the 2 unidentified confessions be from Otis Toole & Henry Lee Lucas?

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

Both notorious liars who “confessed” to hundreds of murders they never committed b/c they liked attention and free milkshakes (I’m not kidding)

[@tinamintz738]

@@4Mr.Crowley2 you are absolutely right about them. I've never been convinced that Toole killed Adam Walsh.

[@annabellelee4535]

@Ziggy Stardust I thought they were committing murders individually before they joined together.

[@annabellelee4535]

@Ziggy Stardust Lucas would have been a nonstarter since he was in prison in 1972 for murdering his Mother in 1960, he still had a few years left on his sentence but Toole would be different. He wasn't in custody at the time. It would be interesting if he confessed anonymously which I assume means a letter or a phone call without leaving a name. Impossible to know, I guess.

[@octodeciliionaire9438]

Seriously, can the on screen images match your sentences?

[@cranke99]

The conversation if there was one was probably so ordinary and common that no one suspected that a crime would be committed soon after that initial confrontation. Also she could have been privy to the raccoons sense of trusting or liking someone and that sealed it for her in trusting this person. This person could have had pets also. Also was Gail the type that could have been lured by a nice car? I would think older girls of age or close to possessing a drivers license and wanting to go out with someone with a nice car would be this guy's type of targets. So then that could mean that Gail and her pet could have went exploring and something happened out in a wooded area near her home?

[@doctorshell7118]

Is anyone else stuck on the fact that you can walk a raccoon?

[@crimetimeAU]

After the Johnny Depp trial can we please show some respect to the real victims of domestic violence by shining the light on some victims that weren't lucky enough to survive. Please make a video about Tara Brown from the Gold Coast, Australia who lost her life to her abuser.

[@JO-lx9bx]

True, johnny depp was lucky to survive the horrible abuse

[@marlenegriffith2724]

Sicko...just like him. He was the abuser.

[@scottcantdance804]

@@crimetimeAU are you saying someone has to die to be a "real victim"?

[@crimetimeAU]

@@scottcantdance804 really? its sad you think people even think like that. The point is she went to the police to ask for help and she was turned away. She was really abused throughout her relationship and ended up losing her life.

[@jacobking5924]

Please. Johnny Depp is a creep and an abusive drunk.

[@dr.calebrobbins.3177]

The loss of yr child would be the worst under any circumstances can only be the worst of things life can dish up to anyone. Where would you start to live with such a loss or imagine there will be a tomorrow. Hope alone would not sustain you perhaps maybe the glimpse of a possibility by someone else who has endured that ' tomorrow ' ?

[@tessaducek5601]

It was definitely a different time. A mere aquaintence is someone you know. Especially for teens. I only hitchhiked twice and that was with another person. I would not except rides from strangers when walking alone. But as its stated. We didn't have horrible and terrifying news broadcast 24/7. But I still believe gruesome crimes have escalated since the introduction of the internet and the 80s epidemic of McMartin child abuse. So parents were threatened with arrest if they dared to discipline their children. Resulting in kids running the house. I believe she was abducted. A happy young girl who never imagined a monster was lurking. But even with the two idgits that planned on killing a child. It shows our world is full of depravity. No family should endure such pain as losing a child. But to never know. Has got to be the worst.

[@loyisad1211]

Your belief is not supported by facts and records. Crime has declined.

[@OriginalPrincess32]

How can a 12 year old change her story and that's the end? Detectives are trained to question people effectively. I just can't believe that they couldn't trick, scare, bribe, whatever, a child into telling the truth. If trained detectives are outsmarted by a 12 year old child, then the entire system is flawed.

[@TigersandBearsOhMy]

The did trick, scare, bribe, or whatever her. That's why she changed her story. You assume her initial claim was true. All accounts and logic highly suggest it was not, as no one suspected that Gail ran away.

[@malmquistestates2507]

GAIL was almost exactly same age as myself. unfortunatel, the family is probably with their daughter now. RIP. Losing a child is one thin, but not getting answers is another. I KNOW.

[@tinathompson6796]

I believe it’s always been this dark

[@ArtZen111]

I wanna start a crime tarot channel about these kids and people, I have a way w this stuff.. I got serial killer, red, white, dark green, white male, and orchard from a random card in a box. I just made all these cards and just started but, if you're aware of and listen to whole story , I was even surprised, I'm gonna start here and leave info on as many as I can, and see how I fair w it.. but if this helps back the story .. Bless her heart. Over time I'm sure I'll get more details as I make more cards, I have about 12 different crime decks, but it kept coming out Serial killer, white male, red, green , white, and for the last card I didn't even plan on to get stuck in a box and I was like nnaahh.. and only one I saw in that deck said Orchard, I was done. I'm sure I can grow more detail card as I continue. I'm a survivor of horrific crimes and have a strong sense of intuition and abilities because of what I survived... Great channel and you said case still active..

[@Prof.Tarfeather]

I'm confused? What do mean by cards? What do colors mean? And boxes? Please explain yourself? Not all are into whatever you are doing? Is this tarrot or what?

[@ArtZen111]

@@Prof.Tarfeather well he was talking about colors.. did you listen .. and a box of cards I had such as oracle cards. I was taking them out and a card stayed in the box and it just happened to say orchard and he discussed the orchard and he discussed the red green n white cars I'm just very very psychic w any deck of cards even w them wrote on w a marker w words. Plus I have other things I use. But I was this way as a little girl and I only believe in Jesus so ... I've died like several times.. and had 7, 12 foot angels come in my house.. so I'm gonna start doing a cold case reading channels soon, I've been doing stone readings and it's almost scary .. the accuracy.. he named the color of cars the one guy drove and all three colors came out of a deck of index cards I had around 125 cards w words I wrote on them and they all flew out together.. green first and then red and white. Only colors that came out. He was talking about the orchard.. I didn't even know I had an orchard card. I was like wow. I was just dumping out a deck of cards and one got stuck in box and I pulled it out and it said Orchard. I just bought them never even seen them and he had just talked about the orchard and car colors .and a possible Serial killer and I had that card come out.. I was about to scream and run out of the house.. but it keeps getting stronger. So idk .. want do a reading on you we can see if I find anything about you lol idk sorry you were confused..I see why

[@ArtZen111]

@@Prof.Tarfeather I'm serious I had just pulled the cellophane off the deck of cards and opened them sight after he was saying the word orchard and if that was her in the orchard and I was like mannnn I gotta get this stuck card and turned it over n it said Orchard. I had just started doing crime readings Now I've done some on video and it's tripping me out.

[@ArtZen111]

@@Prof.Tarfeather idk if would work on you seems to be on unanswered info on murders .. your not murdered your alive. When I say stones, I have a bag of rocks w alphabet on them and I grab a handful and all this info comes it Damm near frightening at times so I've been video taping it...it's a total trip.. I had no idea I could even do this.untill a few weeks back.just a hand full of stones will tell the whole story w just a handful of alphabet wrote on each stone. It's tripping me out..

[@ArtZen111]

@@Prof.Tarfeather but I won't play w bad or demonic spirits ..no way and I'm not a witch either.

[@ZAIDAGARGUR]

How can be? No clues? Es muy triste

[@michellesingleton331]

Someone Got away with murder

[@broella6493]

So, we’ll never know what happened…So sad..

[@paulafrazier9105]

How could witnesses have gotten that good of a look at the male in the white car when they were just driving by? How could they accurately gauge his height, age or weight? That's crazy. No one could have done that correctly?

[@jane9893]

I don't think Stano had anything to do with it. If the sister saw the guy with the white car, it seems like they would have been able to come up with a good composite sketch of the guy. Linda would have seen him before Gail's abduction, because she was already home when Gail left. So, he must have been hanging around the area for quite a while. It's really frustrating that there are so many witnesses, but it didn't help at all.

[@pearlfeather9326]

How horrific

[@melissasaint3283]

She sounds like she was such a delightful girl 💔 I don't know if I can listen to this one

[@nicoletrandel2966]

There was a girl named Amy billig who disappeared from Cocoa Beach Florida in 1974. She got home from school. That's the last time anybody saw her. They don't know what happened to her. And the mother went through all kinds of stuff to find her daughter. Her daughter was abducted but I think she heard that her daughter was abducted by a bunch of biker people. I remember reading that there is a biker guy that died and he said that him and his biker buddies abducted Amy and took her up into the Florida Everglades to a biker party and the drug turned raped her and then threw her into the I believe they said the Florida Everglades. But to this day they've never found a body or anything. You should watch the story on her.