Highcom 4SAS4 NIJ Level IV Ukrainian Overrun Plates (Chase Tactical)

[@BuffRANGE]

I found the model name of the impact resistant foam; Poron XRD. Now Battle Steel is a Botach company, but I haven't found any place that sells sheets of the XRD in the US besides them. This listing is for a 9mm sheet, vs the 6mm sheet I used. It's not horrible at $25/ and will require you to cut to size.: alnk.to/ge75tum

[@andys8482]

Thank you for testing with the 3A backers.

[@BuffRANGE]

Our pleasure!

[@HC-ov2hh]

@@BuffRANGEwhere can I find the backers? Looked with no luck

[@BuffRANGE]

@@HC-ov2hh Any 10"X12" Level IIIA insert is what I used for a backer. See here: alnk.to/5ugU8bv (specific one in the video) or bit.ly/49PTsfS or alnk.to/flxl3Vu

[@timewave02012]

Don't blame yourself, Matt. You're right that any company advertising certification under obsolete criteria needs to make that fact extremely clear. In any case, the previous data is still useful. Also, nice to hear the RPK mentioned, and yes, they do exist, even in the US civilian market, although they're all either kit builds or rare and collectable (e.g. FIME FM-RPK74-33). RPK-style rifles in 7.62x39 are much more common in the US, with the AES-10B being a reasonable facsimile of the Russian RPK, and much more affordable than imports like the FM-RPK47-33.

[@trashedmechanic1987]

Its always nice when you have quite a few of the same plates to test. The results are very telling of what these plates will actually do

[@BuffRANGE]

Very true!

[@abbott2426]

Really fantastic work that you're doing to make information like this available. Knowing that you hold manufacturers, retailers, and yourself accountable really makes a difference to the community!

[@BuffRANGE]

Much appreciated!

[@brianmelo8892]

Number 1 youtube channel for armor testing.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks !!

[@IanMacDonald-x1d]

You are singlehandedly giving highcom their much deserved medicine. Thank you. Uninformed consumers don't deserve to have the one thing that protects against bullets to be a rip off.

[@BuffRANGE]

I wasn’t aware Highcom needed medicine given ? Maybe I’m not in the right circles but perhaps the hyping of their products is because of certain dealers/resellers and their followers ?

[@Struggle-Snuggle]

I don't think it's a good thing if a drop test is all that stands between the success and failure of your plates..

[@BuffRANGE]

Hence why the NIJ implemented this. I would have to read other standards to see if they account for this.

[@ninjagold9244]

Yeah, how can a plate be "multi-hit rated" if a mere drop compromises the integrity, let alone stopping an entire round? I think there is a serious QC/inconsistency in the manufacturing, and they are trying to blame the drop test.

[@Dark_Heart5580]

​@ninjagold9244 You do realize these plates were originally designed before drop testing standards were implemented with the NIJ right? And the overrun plates are plates that the Ukranians ordered that were produced to those same pre drop test specs. High energy small impact is going to only compromise the area around the hit. A drop test is moderate energy impact but spread across an entire surface so it makes sense that a drop test would compromise an entire plate rather that a single hit compromising it.

[@ninjagold9244]

@@Dark_Heart5580 So the plate material is weak enough that an impact on a fist-sized portion will propagate across the rest of the material, but a bullet strike will be contained? That doesn't make sense to me.

[@Dark_Heart5580]

@@ninjagold9244 Its not a fist sized area tho. Its quite a bit larger. But either way, a larger area being struck means more areas that can have a micro crack or will have that additional stress put onto it that may weaken the material. A tiny impact from a bullet means less area that will be affected. The bullet impact effects a much smaller area than the drop onto face would. Its like if i took a screw driver and hit a wall. The screwdriver would probably go through the drywall but only put a hole in it. If I instead hit it with a sledge hammer its going to also put a hole in it but there will be noticeable cracks and damage to the surrounding wall.

[@Asatru793]

You do armor testing better than anyone. You also are straight forward with everything. You explain things good also. I have learned a lot and picked stuff because of your testing.

[@briancunningham5011]

Best armor testing on the planet 💯 Thxs buffman

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you!

[@-The-Bob-]

Love the channel, love the videos, love watching you pop armor. Love most of all that you get to do this with your son, and enjoy that time together. Wish i was able too.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks 👍

[@isuwish73]

Thx for all your tests, most soldiers are using chinese or surplus stuff, so I will be looking for more tests regarding that. You are the best Buffman. ✌️

[@mace_felloutthe_windu]

Good deal. It would be a shame for all your hard work not to get shared

[@justinsteiner8576]

Yeah, no, if you drop it, it won't work. That makes total sense. I know in Afghanistan, we were so careful not to fall, drop to the ground for cover or violently slam ourselves against solid objects for cover. We always remained upright and treated our plates as if they were made of glass. That's absolutely a realistic test.......ARE YOU F***IN KIDDING ME? How much are these and they can't be dropped at all? Our issued plates in '07 sometimes took multiple heavy blunt strikes a day and of the 4 guys at my FOB that took rounds, none of their plates failed. Sorry, if it can't take a few blunt hits and still do it's job, it shouldn't even get an NIJ rating.

[@generalbakedpotato6150]

Not to mention having to dive for cover for buddy movements on micro terrain. It's unrealistic to not expect something strapped to your body to not get abused.

[@rodiculous9464]

Yeah but did they take m2 ap from 25 yards or did they take some mild steel 7.62x39 from 300 yards away....you could have been walking with compromised plates and not even known it....wouldn't be the first time the military had faulty equipment

[@Marksman5147]

@@rodiculous9464THIS lol^ Also dropping to the soft ground with a plate protected inside a cordura vest is not the same as a drop test to a hard floor… OP doesn’t understand science or realism

[@JohnDBloch]

A 4sas4 multicurve plate set was $200 pre tax. I jumped on it, which in hindsight is pretty dumb, but they were definitely advertised as lvl IV. I'd be interested to know what the legalities of advertising them as a "contract overrun" vs "cancelled contract" are though.

[@warehousetroll-dp4kt]

your channel is The Authority on armor testing. I basically dont care what a manufacturer or a lab says, if I want to know how an armor plate actually performs, i will watch your test of it. thank you for what you do. your hard work is appreciated

[@BuffRANGE]

You’re most welcome.

[@0hi0hdmc]

Thank you for posting this video! And for redoing the test! I’m buying another one as a back up

[@BuffRANGE]

You are very welcome. :D

[@Struggle-Snuggle]

Blink twice if Chase is holding you hostage

[@BuffRANGE]

@@Struggle-Snuggle lol they are not.

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

Thats what a hostage would say​@@BuffRANGE

[@BuffRANGE]

@@Anarcho-harambeismlol

[@IanMacDonald-x1d]

​@@BuffRANGEHe still hasn't blinked.

[@RickSanchez167]

The King is back!

[@notreal5311]

Great video brother! The plates performed better, but I still don't want any plates that can't stand some dropping. Our ESAPIs got beat to hell when I was serving in the military, and they still performed great. Appreciate all the time and money spent testing. Glad your wife and son are in on the testing!

[@joshuac717]

Thorough as always! Thanks for the public service.

[@BuffRANGE]

You bet!

[@Bursar60]

I think my biggest fear is you never drop them but who knows what damage in shipping you can't see.

[@BuffRANGE]

That’s very true on any ceramic plate shipping. Extra care should be exercised

[@SMOKEtillUReyezBLEED]

The box mine arrived in had definitely been dropped. Enough to have about a 5 inch slit essentially from cutting from the box. Not the best shipping methods from tactical shit. Rma plates shipping was much much better

[@TheChubbyKid]

We learned a lot from these plates and the NIJ. Highcom still needs to account for their false advertising. They've done right in the past, they should do right now by sending everyone a foam front pad. Had there not been so much poor verbiage on the product pages of Highcom/ChaseT/TS I think most would be praising these plates as a good poor mans buy. But I still question exactly how fragile these plates are. Hopefully you can find a xray, how well do you know your dentist or vet lol. Thanks for this test and have a blessed Christmas.

[@BuffRANGE]

We found a guy on Reddit and plate is going out this week. I would agree that Highcom should offer a foam pad and then I’d say the concerns of drop are moot.

[@TheChubbyKid]

@@BuffRANGE Awesome to hear! Can't wait to see the results, will you do a short video on it or just post it to the community?

[@BuffRANGE]

@@TheChubbyKidyep!😊

[@thecolossalwang2308]

I don’t necessarily agree. I haven’t watched the new video yet, but from what I know now they passed to the standard they were rated at, nothing more and nothing less. I do believe they should publicly release the name of the foam or structural mesh they use for the face protection like Buffman did. But, I do not believe the company owes every one of the tens of thousands of people who bought a set of cheap ass nigh obsolete plates for $100, a $25 pad for them. The buyers of this below bargain bin price plate should use the hundreds of dollars they saved and buy their own pads for their own plates like you do with everything else. Highcom does something great for us. They do bridge the gap between threat capabilities, weight savings, and budget. And they would lose hundreds of thousands of dollars to send a bunch of cheap asses their padding because they think they bought a plate that is worthless since they can’t Bautista Bomb their homies in it and then stop high caliber AP rounds. Especially when those cheap asses bought their plates off a shady ass website and Highcom got MAYBE $25 bucks per plate out of it on a wholesale price. I don’t care about their $99 plate and I don’t give a shit who thinks they owe what. The plate does what it’s supposed to, period. I want them to keep doing what they are doing, making high quality, lightweight, high rating, inexpensive plates. And they can’t keep making great plates for a good price if they have to go and send every fudd who jumped on a goofy website and bought the absolute cheapest plates they could get their hands on a pad. That’s dumb. If you can’t afford a pad for your plate you have a long life ahead of you in the preparedness and military readiness department. $25 bucks and a $99 plate is about a 10th of what you’ll spend on a decent rifle. Bunch of fuckers running around in condor plate carriers if they can’t afford their own pad and a nicer plate.

[@BuffRANGE]

@thecolossalwang2308 You're not wrong either. Highcom could also easily add a label on the front of these plates that say "Don't Drop" like this Protech plate I have, and boom, it's on the user to understand the designs limitations :D

[@Dongatello]

As always you're the best.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks !

[@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.]

If you can't "hit the ground" (drop test) in a diving fashion without compromising viability, it's a hard pass...id rather not have 15 pounds of milestone hanging from me, and gain speed and mobility for it... 🤷‍♂️ Good video, thanks for sharing n' God bless brother

[@jb7483]

If you fall 4 feet in any armor and land on your chest, you are either going to be f'd up or break something. Even if the armor survives. However, continuing a fight probably will not happen.

[@ramonsterns]

@@jb7483 As a 6' male, 4' is about lower torso height. So if I were to, let's say, just... fall over on my stomach, I'd be "either going to be f'd up or break something"? Tell you what, let's meet up, I will hold my hands behind my back and fall on the ground face first. If I get up and feel just fine, I get to kick you in the nuts once, deal?

[@DukeTolgo]

Lol that’s the reason for the modernized .06 standard from NIJ that implemented drop testing.These plates are still good to go imo for level 4 protection on a budget.

[@therealslimsmitty8370]

Reupload the old video and private link it in the description. No reason to delete it failing when thats the entire reason for this update vid. The viewers deserve to know how badly dropping it had an effect on performance, barely lvl 3 performance

[@GD-lw9yv]

Agreed! Without context, people will likely assume the drop test complaints were simply nitpicks and not understand that it caused a catastrophic failure of the ceramic against all threats.

[@BuffRANGE]

Video has been re uploaded with some minor edits for context and it’s link is in the description :)

[@GD-lw9yv]

@@BuffRANGE this is epic

[@russr]

@@BuffRANGE dont see these for 99$ anyware...

[@BuffRANGE]

@@russr right here :) shop.tacticalshit.com/tsht/ts.php?id=373&url=4731

[@jgraham441]

Buffman is the best guntuber and it's not even close, change my mind.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks :)

[@StriderCZ]

If this testing tells us anything, it's that NIJ .06 and the new .07 standards should be a hard and fast rule for those purchasing armor. Compromising to a lower .04 standard just means you're giving away plate capability. These are the kinds of plates that propagate the FuddLore about ceramic armor being useless if dropped and can't take multiple hits. This really says a lot about the offerings from HighCom, much to the chagrin of certain armor dealers in the world. It should be further noted that HighCom only has ONE level 4 plate on the CPL currently, and it's not this plate. This further goes to show the issues of not having plates validated by the NIJ that aren't otherwise Military issue plates.

[@BuffRANGE]

I can foresee a lot of companies who will continue to sell “IIi+” plates once the NIJ 07 CPL is active because a LOT of steel can’t take the new RF1 threat of M193.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

The a3 backer results were interesting

[@BuffRANGE]

Really helped contain those 6.8 rounds. Wasn’t needed in the 5.56 fresh plate threat but was a just incase

[@nataliedeyton6829]

We lost a lot of good straps in today’s video…. They were good little straps 😂😂

[@Just_a_guy093]

I could feel your grit putting this out, hoestly I prefer this style with a little more commenting about your process and defending your operation! Been waiting on this vid!

[@Just_a_guy093]

If I was rich I’d come to you as an investor. I like this more intensive testing.. you don’t see this stuff.. SOMEBODY HELP THIS MAN!! I’d do a 2% loan to achieve the greatness this channel deserves

[@Jef-1-f]

You're a good man doing honest testing. Progress not perfection Matt. We're all learning here.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks 👍

[@MathewJC25]

Would you be able to test the 4sas7 plates?

[@BuffRANGE]

That ball is in Highcom or one of their vendor’s court. Given that’s not an 06 plate either I think we’d need 4-5 plates to take what we learned here in consideration.

[@jenshauer7434]

The plate with the e-glass backer is a fairly new approach as I think the limits of UHMWPE appear to be already known. I mean by that the limited heat resistance, low chemical resistance, low modulus of elasticity and the high price.

[@brudamiranda3314]

Good testing

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you!

[@v710k]

Would you suggest these over those LAPG level iv plates with the 1" border? At $99 these still seem like a good deal even if they're an older design. I also like the fact that it's multi curve and edge to edge

[@BuffRANGE]

The multicurve and edge to edge and overall robustness IMO is a better buy over the LAPG. Now the LAPG can reliably stop 4-5 M2AP but the plate doesn’t stay together as well.

[@FxuckSoyboyspiesgoogle]

Did you receive any threats of legal action against you from any of the companies?

[@TheChubbyKid]

Chase Tactical hit him with a C&D then pulled it back.

[@nickgrady-xx7mm]

​@@TheChubbyKidoooof

[@BuffRANGE]

One and it was removed.

[@emacstac]

Looks like its going to an excellent video!

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

Makes me still happier with my 4s17m

[@BuffRANGE]

The 4S17m is a solid plate

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I bought one of these. Regretting it a little

[@BuffRANGE]

Given you know a thing or 2 about armor, what do you regret on it, given it's price range and it's older design?

[@Bursar60]

Thanks dude, though yes, TS needs to go out of business for plenty of reasons other than this product

[@A_potato9772]

Who or what is TS?

[@tjkirgin]

Do Tell. What reasons would that be?

[@Bursar60]

@tjkirgin Oh look the owner that put it the pathetic video of his one shot from his widdle 17 inch as if it proved anything , but more generally your customer service people that were rude as they refused all returns for any reason and called someone an asshole for pointing out shipping dmg. That when folks went to cancel after waiting weeks immediately ship notice and say too late but then still doesn't actually ship for days. This is after site claims free shipping on out of stock. Claim they are contract overrun and i believe originally said limited inventory yet they are still being produced with nov build dates. Hassle free returns yet argue with folks not even referencing any video then just stop replying. Had to edit the website to remove some of original claims such as being the same spec as 4sas7. Then most folks as they dug started to realize the horrible online rep your various webstores have after changing names multiple times. Keep to the store fronts boomer fudd, cause internet service aint you.

[@generalbakedpotato6150]

I am annoyed that a simple small foam layer could easily reduce most of the problems with it being struck. It's realistic especially for militaries doing buddy movements or cover maneuvers to hit the ground quickly.

[@johnkeyser9374]

@BuffRANGE - Did the lab results they showed you say they were for the multi-curve plate with the same weight? Everyone is saying that it was only for a single curve plate with a different weight, yet Highcom kept the same model number. I'm definitely not impressed given how these were marketed vs. how they are actually performing.

[@BuffRANGE]

7.16lb but the OBL lab doesn't mention curvature. The internal testing lists multi-curve, and a weight of 7.3 lb.

[@TXSunStroke]

Love the content as usual. This channel is highly underrated imo, and people aren't finding it. Most likely algorithm to recommended your content to new viewers is being held captive by the digital dictatorship, Having Firearms, suppressors and armor on the same channel? Heresy! Jokes aside i have some ammunition you may be interested in, it was created by a legitimate ammo manufacturer for the company i work for use in different tests against certain alloy and composite vehicle armor pannels its not classified, proprietary nor is it illegal to own. It is very unique though, just PM me if interested.

[@BuffRANGE]

What’s the best way to PM you ?

[@HC-ov2hh]

What soft backing plate is that? Cant find it

[@BuffRANGE]

Any 10"X12" Level IIIA insert is what I used for a backer. See here: alnk.to/5ugU8bv (specific one in the video) or bit.ly/49PTsfS or alnk.to/flxl3Vu

[@TexasLonghornRanch]

Where did you get the foam?

[@BuffRANGE]

Waiting on manufacturer to let me know if I can share

[@VortexLimbus]

Simple closed cell foam, looks like the pad used on the RMA 1155.

[@bnicedanicest6288]

Wow those.277 fury looks like they could still cause fatal trauma even without pass thru idk maybe not but definitely looks like they can break ribs and crack a sternum like eating king crab

[@1984WasNotFiction]

I feel everyone, manufacturer/retailers included, learned a lot here. Consumers should question everything before purchase and exercise caution if questions cannot be answered. Manufacturers/Retailers should be forthcoming with specific details about the products the market & sell to avoid looking shady. These specifically should have been marked on the plate and advertisements as “Not drop test rated” since so many plates are nowadays. As always, thanks Matt for the awesome work.

[@ViridianKol]

Oh the consumers questioned plenty. The real issue was TS claiming that; A) These plates were still currently certified, B) that these plates were the EXACT same spec as the 4SAS7s, when they aren't. TS couldn't even spell specification... Transparency is key when running a business, so sure making a note regarding Drop testing in the .04 standard would help. Primary step they could take in not looking shady would be not slapping shipping labels on every order a customer asked to return...

[@Cumminspowa12v]

@@ViridianKolI agree with it you. I think TS basically took the position of “F off” to everyone about these plates. They could have even struck a middle ground and said hey we will hold the plates until the video of the retest comes out and then you can return them or take delivery.

[@VortexLimbus]

Armor manufacturers (especially reputable ones) already KNOW this. You don't give them enough credit. They are the experts in the field, not demo guys on KZbin. 🤣

[@protectpersevere2030]

Good video man

[@BuffRANGE]

Appreciate it

[@ExtremeSquared]

You sort of blew past the fact that 3a stopped a rifle projectile as a backer. That is pretty unusual. I wonder if it's unique to the mechanism of ceramic -- immediate catastrophic projectile damage.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@ExtremeSquared In theory the ceramic strike face breaks up the projectile or causes it to deform. A non aerodynamic mass with a bit of frontal area is the type of objects IIIa can catch especially when the IIIa has UHMWPE in it.

[@wyorca]

Bottom line - are these plate any better than the similarity priced LAPG “level 4” chinesium plates?

[@BuffRANGE]

@@wyorca for peace of mind knowing that they were constructed by a company who holds NIJ certs yes.

[@wyorca]

@@BuffRANGE thank you for the reply! I purchased one of these plates to augment the LAPG plates I purchased 4 years ago before the “summer of love” (replaced the fold front plate with this one) and was on the fence about picking up a second plate. I appreciate your efforts and yeah, feel better with a US manufactured and tested plate despite its compromises.

[@Pilot--]

What's with the deletion of the old video? Seems to me like these plates absolutely shit the bed if they're dropped before ballistics testing. Seems like it's kind of dishonest to call a plate Level IV if they're bumped around or if you don't have a backer. Approaching the manufacturer first when plates don't live up to their advertised protection only gives the manufacturer another chance to manipulate the results. The consumer should see the results first in the interest of transparency. You have *your own* testing standards, do you really want the manufacturer to tell you that you're doing your own test wrong? The typical consumer doesn't get a chance to test or a second chance when they are buying life saving products and the product doesn't hold up to it's claims.

[@RickSanchez167]

He literally explains everything you asked in the video. The plates are .04/.05 plates. They weren't made for the .06 standard. These were special order plates by Ukraine, which is why they're being sold at a massive discount.

[@notreal5311]

Probably also not looking to catch a lawsuit and/or felt guilty about smearing Chase Tactical and others.

[@Pilot--]

@@notreal5311 There's no grounds for litigation or "smearing" if it's all perfectly legit testing. Really it's just emphasizing TacticalShit's false advertising/dishonesty on the plates.

[@notreal5311]

@Pilot-- whether a lawsuit is baseless or not doesnt matter. As soon as you have to hire a lawyer to defend you in court you already lost. Easier for him to be cautious and just delete it vs risking it. He didn't do anything wrong but honthing wrong with being cautious. The plates were a hot topic for a moment but in a year no one is going to care because they're a once in blue moon sale item.

[@Pilot--]

@@notreal5311 Cool, so you suggest we just give up on transparency and honest reviewing just because companies like these bully the reviewers. Let's just cave and delete it instead. Great idea!

[@jpk9171jpk]

These like most rf3 plates are too heavy. Adapt needs to make a standard rf3 plate. 1.1” thick and 9.5” wide. That way it fits in standard plate carriers and should come in around 5lbs.

[@BuffRANGE]

It would be interesting to see how light Adept could take a level IV.

[@qwe304]

In previous discussions with Jake, they had in development a level 4 plate, around 4.5 pound, However, this was probably a year or two ago at this point, so take that with a grain of salt.​@@BuffRANGE

[@Resident_Kriegsman]

I've got some options I'd like to see tested, Hoplite Armor's plates, the dangler, groin, femoral and shoulders. I'd like to see if the max available option for each meets spec standards. I'd be open to contributing funds to make that test possible

[@russr]

@buffrange so, the price and weight are about the same as AR500 steel plates... is it better?

[@BuffRANGE]

Yes. Steel can’t handle any of these threats except M855

[@mattmanlo]

Any experience with the 4S16 plates?

[@BuffRANGE]

None, sorry :(

[@coreytena2]

Is the 4s17m more consistent in stopping m2ap and steel core 762x51? Debating those and the hesco 4403’s

[@BreckonStern]

In your opinion based off your own research what is the best level 4 plate and also out of curiosity what is the best level 3+ steel plate you have tested?

[@BuffRANGE]

The best Level IV I've personally tested are the Adept Colossus, US Military XSAPI, RMA 1192, Militech RF3 Black Label, and various models from Stealth Armor Solutions. Steel is another boat. I haven't tested much steel that's actually rated for RF2. I believe Caliber Armor, Spartan Armor Systems, and CATI are the few mainstream guys who have RF2 capable steel.

[@BreckonStern]

@@BuffRANGE Appreciate the quick response. I'm new to your channel, I haven't seen your videos yet on all these so I'll definitely have to give them a watch. I just saw your test of Predators Kevlar wrapped steel armor and was surprised how well that one did.

[@BigHammer_]

Can someone explain this to me like I am 5? I watched the video. I think we debunked the first video because of the drop test in this round of testing. Maybe you could share the spreadsheet on google drive? So what will these plates stop? Are they in spec or not in spec? Does it stop 223, 556, 7.62? AP no AP? A rehash at the end could have been better like show all the in spec threats it stopped , then show extreme threats it stopped or didn't stop. Thanks for your time. I purchased these and I am still trying to determine if I can rely on these if needed.

[@timewave02012]

The campsite links include a spreadsheet with the raw data screenshotted near the end of the video (29:56). Not having to take notes through a half hour video to compile results is the best thing about Buffman's testing compared to other guntubers.

[@BuffRANGE]

In summary these plates stopped their intended design parameter threat. M2AP at 2,880 fps. Further they held to more common 5.56 threats well above a 16” barrel velocities. Could you take 20-25 hits of 5.56 on this plate ? Nope but I’d rest easy knowing they work as long as they aren’t belly flopped on.

[@BigHammer_]

@@BuffRANGE Thank you.

[@shadezactual2657]

What was the thickness of the HD foam? Im going to thermoform some to mine.

[@BuffRANGE]

.220"

[@shadezactual2657]

@@BuffRANGE cm or in?

[@BuffRANGE]

@@shadezactual2657 sorry .220" or 5.588 mm

[@shadezactual2657]

@@BuffRANGE thank you! ill post a video on how I do it to YT and what material I use.

[@EMfanatiks]

can someone tell me what defeated the original dropped ones? did they fail on m193 or m80 ball?

[@BuffRANGE]

The original dropped plate failed to stop M2AP COM at the NIJ spec. it stopped a slew of other rounds as it did here, but because of the 3 M2AP hits on that plate, it degraded it enough that the plate then only stopped 6 out of 10 5.56 threats. In reality that's way more hits then the plate was meant for considering it was designed for 1 M2AP hit. The original video is in the description.

[@EMfanatiks]

gotcha. thanks man

[@stephenjohnson8205]

Appreciate your efforts. You earned a sub.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for the sub!

[@luciankristov6436]

7n6 isnt really used in the Russian army anymore. They have switched to 7n22 and 7n24. Both have significantly higher penetration and speed

[@BuffRANGE]

Unfortunately I have no access to those rounds. I don’t see them doing any better than M995 though as even with better cores than 7N6 5.45’s pressure cap is still 10k psi lower than 5.55

[@ViridianKol]

Can't believe the clown at T.S tried to discredit your testing... By using m855 out of a 17 AR with zero clay or Chrono

[@BuffRANGE]

@@ViridianKol where was that posted ?

[@tjkirgin]

Nobody tried to discredit anything. Just showed that the armor worked as per it's 04/05 cert. I would think it would be good of this clown to test something his company sold after the original video raised questions. Glad this video put those questions to bed.

[@ViridianKol]

@@tjkirgin The frack he didn't. He literally called Buffman's testing flawed 3 times, then proceeded to set a plate on a stack of tires, walked approx 45ft away and center massed it out of a 17inch AR. With zero chrono, and closest we got to the ammo specs were "these are green tips"

[@ViridianKol]

@@BuffRANGE Owner of T.S personal FB, KZbin keeps removing the reply

[@Cumminspowa12v]

@@BuffRANGE he had it posted on his facebook

[@Gobbledygook-mountains]

Audio seems messed up for me

[@waterishdrake8693]

Close KZbin and open it back up! Fixed the problem for me

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Why don’t you test m993 anymore 😢

[@BuffRANGE]

At $70-100+ it destroys most armor and it’s moot. I think I used it in the LAPG IV test I need to do.

[@RickSanchez167]

It's a pretty uncommon round man. I did 8 years in the infantry with 3 combat deployments, and the only time I've ever seen them was pre 2014 in Afghanistan in belts for the M240. I never saw them for rifles at all

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

@@RickSanchez167 I got like almost 300 rounds of it 😅

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

All in boxes lol

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

@@BuffRANGE I don’t think you used it against the LAPG level 4 plate or atleast it wasn’t on video if you did. You used SMKH against the LAPG IV. Do you need me to send to donate you some m993 I acquired a small stockpile for SHTF when Trump got shot.

[@SladeMcCuiston]

Definitely not impressed with these plates.

[@BuffRANGE]

They do show that they’re a dated design for sure.

[@John-y2b4m]

Nice work Matt, I trust you more than the NIJ.

[@VortexLimbus]

The NIJ is much more precise and they don't put their tail between their legs when they issue a bad report. Save yourself a lot of worry and buy NIJ certified 0101.07 armor about to drop.

[@BuffRANGE]

I appreciate that!

[@nickedds2907]

Another amazing informative vid for free 👍 Hey Buffman i know its probably not your area of expertise but i wanted to spread an idea i had and get different perspectives Here it is. Tungsten carbide rods can be bought online and sharpened/cut with small dimond saws and dimond files. My idea for the future is 3d printed bullet jackets (not sabots) for sharpened tungsten carbide rods (not unlike the shape from that AP incendiary), think of the 3d jackets as easter egg shells snapping together around the rods of a particular length & shape (although its more complicated then that). I've seen 3d bullets be shot out of guns a few different ways on youtube and i think they could hold together as long as they arent put through hight twist rate barrels like 8.6 blk. The tests ive seen also havent used the strongest 3d printing filiments which would increase the chance for success. If its possable people could make and reload their own AP ammo comparable to m995 & m993 along with other interesting rounds like subsonic 338 spectre or 300 blk or ap 9mm

[@BuffRANGE]

That would be interesting if those tungsten carbide rods are of a composition that is beneficial to armor penetration.

[@BogdanMatei-e6j]

Nato it using 62 grain not 55

[@BuffRANGE]

5.56 NATO and 5.56x45mm are two very common nomenclatures for that cartridge. I never said NATO themselves uses the 55gr FMJ or the EPR

[@MillionFoul]

Hey Buffman, just wanted to let you know Tactical Shit is now sending emails containing advertisements for these plates using cuts from this videos which do not mention or credit you for the videos. I can forwards you one of these marketing emails if you'd like.

[@BuffRANGE]

I'm guessing it's fair use? I sure would appreciate if they embedded the video on their page or hot link to where they got it from, but I'm guessing they may not be happy the first video caused all the ruckus..

[@MillionFoul]

@BuffRANGE Personally, I would think that use of your content for explicitly commercial purposes without attribution and in a completely nontransformative manner does not qualify as fair use, but I'm not a lawyer. Just figured I'd let ya know.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@MillionFoul yeah definitely a gray area.

[@user-hk9ny7qk9u]

It's better than nothing but get a better plate.

[@BuffRANGE]

Better than steel offerings for sure.

[@JOHN-hf9ow]

Lesson here, these arent true level 4 plates. Thank you for testing for us. I'll save my money.

[@BuffRANGE]

By the books these are level IV. They stopped the NIJ 04/06 shot pattern; one single hit of M2AP. There is no requirement to stop lesser threats or anything else with level IV. I think ultimately that’s a major downside of not creating a new RF4 or even 5 rating. They allow certification now up to 6 shots but in the end it’s still an R3 plate per the CPL.

[@SMOKEtillUReyezBLEED]

LFG!

[@JJUkraine]

The Ukrainians would be wearing this or steel. This is much better.

[@BuffRANGE]

Bingo! These no question >> steel

[@rodiculous9464]

And to imagine these were being sent to ukraine....what a scam

[@BuffRANGE]

I'd imagine these are way better than steel and depending on battlefield threats pretty viable. But I'd agree they show quite dated.

[@odinisgod4577]

my deadly7 threat lvl 4 plates are multi hit capable these aren't great plates

[@BuffRANGE]

Deadly Threat level IV Also has a foam ring, and imported from China. Also $200 a plate.

[@odinisgod4577]

@BuffRANGE why are the Ukrainians using foam rings imported from chuna

[@odinisgod4577]

@BuffRANGE mine are $400 a plate with made in America stickers and video from the manufacturer plant in Tennessee

[@odinisgod4577]

@BuffRANGE I just googled it and mine are made in Tennessee there is a knockoff "deadly threat" made in China too damn gooks stealing our shit

[@BuffRANGE]

@@odinisgod4577 deadly threat armor, or are you referring to another brand ? Those plates don’t say made in the US and their highest level IV is $200. Please let me know what model and company you’re referring too😊

[@RJ-hv6fr]

For $99 each...still an excellent deal.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@RJ-hv6fr at 99 yes. Definitely not a deal at $239/each

[@DerrickMovies]

What's the most economical and easiest rifle and round to obtain in the usa (overseas?) and defeat level 4 plates on the first shot? I'm guessing the cheapest .50 bmg rifle with ball ammo. Anyone else agree?

[@BuffRANGE]

At what distance? Truthfully it's going to be 50 BMG. There's varying levels of construction and materials on hard armor, that make it a total roll of the dice to be able to do it on the first shot.

[@blackberet9997]

Probably not even ball ammo, you'd need .50 BMG AP or similar to consistently penetrate level 4 (or european equivalent) at most ranges. High quality level 4 is tough as hell.

[@jb7483]

​@BuffRANGE 1 50 bmg from an m2 browning or m81 Barrett, it will defeat level 4 armor, lol. If it doesn't, which I have never seen a level 4 stop, blunt force trauma is a real thing, and you are dead either way. With just ball and tracers, we shredded through a bmp within 50m to 100m in Bosnia. So I truly doubt it's even a dice roll, more like an act of G-d.

[@bluescoobysnack9791]

@@jb7483somewhere a while back I saw someone shooting some armor that stopped a 50 bmg, but ya you still ain’t surviving the trauma lol.

[@Notorious_FDE]

Cool a legit armor test, too bad you didn't do this one first. Hopefully everyone learned something from this experience. Thanks

[@BuffRANGE]

In hindsight more plates more dates needs to part of further work flows. A single plate won’t cut it and 3 -4 at min is better

[@paulstrealer5414]

I mean, it's made for the Ukranian market. It doesn't have to work, it just has to funnel money back to senators in a roundabout way and buy Zelinsky another yacht too. I wonder if Highcom is publicly traded?

[@cc-vg4ed]

They are under their Australian parent company Xtek Ltd (XTE)

[@naaman427]

Buffman, you are on another level when it comes to your commitment to your viewers. Thank you for being who you are. On another side note, I found this kid making a honey-comb style ballistic armor that I think is incredible engineering. Maybe one day you could really test out his armor for proof of concept with you higher level threat ammo. Again, thank you thank you thank you, and your wife and family for all you do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gp6kZIN4et6oacksi=i8fnZ2OJVh41ePrp

[@BuffRANGE]

That's pretty neat. Objectively the idea looks neat, but he's got some ways to go to bring the concept to something viable. Level IV plates are already doing what he's doing, and at 3-4lb less.

[@BuffRANGE]

Still waiting on the vendor, but CATI has some trauma foam that likely is the same thing I used here: catiarmor.com/cati-8x10-sapi-shape-trauma-pad/

[@Demoylition]

Is this foam the drop protection or is it the backer that caught the 6.8?

[@BuffRANGE]

@@Demoylition This is the drop protection foam that I set on the front.