The REAL Ultimate GPU Bottleneck? RTX 3070 with Mini PCIe (Pt. 2)

[@eatsoupeveryday]

I can see that you have bought my suggested pcie adapter instead of using that previous janky setup.

[@Sithedd]

Thanks Eat Soup

[@lakshyanarang6494]

Isn't this the same type of adapter Linus used in the Latte panda with Titan vid?

[@eatsoupeveryday]

@@Sithedd 👍

[@beaumontlivingston8084]

It's the same type of adapter that anyone using a notebook computer mines crypto currency with. It's a junk adapter with a bullshit purpose.

[@lakshyanarang6494]

@@beaumontlivingston8084 thanks

[@dinkoblazek9637]

"If this adapter doesnt make me the next monarch of Croatia I will be dissapointed" greetings from Croatia

[@bradyelich2745]

Even I was impressed.

[@retardmoguss]

sorry to disappoint you guys but dawid isn't becoming the next monarch.

[@valkasolidor6727]

Missed opportunity for "I for one welcome our new infinite possibility beast ruler!"

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Am I now your leader?

[@grobny_man]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Pozdrav Dawid🙂

[@jm036]

If you really want a bottleneck get an ivy bridge thinkpad with an ExpressCard slot. That's 1 lane of PCIe 2.0. Basically USB 3.0 speeds.

[@user-le8ul4nr5t]

How about a core i9 10980 XE with two voodoo 2 in SLI? I'm pretty sure I've seen motherboards with like h310 chipsests and ISA or PCI slots, just because of some industrial machine that still needs it.

[@beaumontlivingston8084]

@@user-le8ul4nr5t an i9 strapped to an SLI or a XFire configuration is ludacris! Especially with any of the recent GPUs. In every setup I did SLI or XFire, it's was easily beaten by a single GPU setup in nearly every situation, the games don't like to do SLI anymore, too much data throughput during processing SLOWS DOWN the output because it has to mux the output, adding extra processes that wouldn't otherwise be present in a single GPU setup.

[@louiefriesen]

My friend has one of those and I upgraded it for them. (to 16GB ram and 500GB ssd)

[@user-le8ul4nr5t]

@@beaumontlivingston8084 we're trying to achieve the biggest bottleneck... Also a voodoo 2 isn't exactly a new card, SLI still made sense back when it was invented.

[@joeyhillers9460]

@@user-le8ul4nr5t Different sockets bud. That i9 is x299. I think you meant 10900k

[@BReal-10EC]

I'm actually impressed that the proprietary bios even allowed a dedicated GPU to work.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

It is impressive how plug and play it was.

[@goqwertygo]

I have one that works on a Dell Latitude E6540 "plays" Cyberpunk on with a Titan on the beast bridge

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Aside from the fact that you used a 30 series, It pretty impressive overall. Im guessing you would get similar performance out of a much cheaper lower spec gpu. Some people with super small pc's may be able to take advantage of this.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@crisnmaryfam7344 Oh for sure. Something like a GTX 1050 could be a decent pairing. Maybe even something a bit slower. 👍

[@JJ21lives4ever]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff I was interested in trying something the other day, it was a daisy chain I thought of; Sata to m.2 and then m.2 to pciex4... Of course you would need to run the OS from a fast form of usb. Not sure if it would work but I was bored and thought of trying it since I already have a few different sata to m.2 adapters. Sounds like a cool idea for a revisit for you tho, and costing less than $40.

[@AnnaDoes]

All I can say is great call on that adapter. Smart people make our lives so much easier. Thank you smart people.

[@Incommensurabilities]

I guess you have a good reason for wanting Dawid to not be trouble shooting/stressing for days on end 😂

[@anno5936]

At times i wonder how you can sleep at night, tortured hardware must be haunting your dreams...

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

The nightmares are what fuels my wickedness.

[@anno5936]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff 🤣

[@Izmond]

The Dawid is a cruel God, but a just one.

[@anno5936]

@@Izmond Nah, he just tries to act cool... actually he's a good boy, trying to help old, disabled hardware in ways never meant to be... it's just the result that looks cruel.

[@GradyGalbraith]

Would be need to see this done with an M.2 slot. That’s x4, and you could even use Gen 4 too

[@BrainSlugs83]

Or one of those SATA ports that doubles as a mini PCI-E (but with extra steps).

[@ikemkrueger]

@@BrainSlugs83 That's something new to me. Mind to elaborate?

[@virtualtools_3021]

@@ikemkrueger possibly sata express

[@viniapiaia]

CS GO uses a lot o bandwidth in the PCI Express, that's why it was struggling

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Oh that makes sense. 😁

[@photonboy999]

I'm not sure, but I would assume that games that tend to be more CPU bottlenecked are going to have relatively higher PCIe bandwidth and thus perform relatively worse, and that something like a GPU TECH DEMO that is tending to buffer more stuff in VRAM would do better relatively... of course, you can be bottlenecked by a single core so it's not quite that cut and dry but this is mostly for fun anyway.

[@dollardealtech768]

1:18 GT 710 for $9,000 lmao

[@FleaOnMyWiener]

It's over 9000!!!

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

😂

[@LatvianVideo]

Probably because it's the fancy version, it has a fan

[@SS_1407]

I don’t know what you mean. Surely this mediocre GPU bottlenecked this absolute BEAST of a rig.

[@raven4k998]

are you sure about that or was the pci-e the bottleneck?

[@stephenl2571]

That’s the opposite of what happened, did you watch?

[@louiesatterwhite3885]

@@raven4k998 woosh

[@louiesatterwhite3885]

@@stephenl2571 woosh

[@stephenl2571]

@@louiesatterwhite3885 what

[@sllim126]

Great video, it would have been nice to see the GPU-z screenshot confirming the card is plugged in and running at PCIe 1x Great job!

[@absolutedesi5899]

Other youtubers: its not working there must be a problem Dawid: it actually worked, there must be some problem

[@tomvandongen8075]

Very interesting! Would love to see a follow up investigating how much GPU power it actually makes sense to use in a setup like this. I think you're probably right that GTX 1650/RX 570 would be about right, but would be very interesting to investigate!

[@andrewlott5886]

Can you test this setup with lower end cards to see at which point (GPU wise) the 1x slot becomes a bottleneck. Thanks! Awesome video!

[@husk1061]

Dawid - "At this point I'm still waiting for something to explode." That makes two of us. ^^

[@FleaOnMyWiener]

Me using this exact setup with my HP all-in-one: :')

[@DrBob-if7oj]

Did you really buy a 3070? If so then sell it and buy like a 960 and Youll Loose no performance but get alot of money

[@ikbintom]

@@DrBob-if7oj You're completely right, apart from cyberpunk with ray tracing maybe

[@peterchrist1945]

@@ikbintom I would love to see the single pcie trying to accomplish ray tracing

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Haha!! That's awesome! With a 3070 and everything?

[@coopierre]

@@DrBob-if7oj or sell it and build an entirely new system with the scalper prices lol

[@skoopsro7656]

Looks like dawid has bought everything for mining.. but hasn't figured out its for mining.

[@justair44]

Yeah... just wait till he realizes his card can bring in $172 American a month at 60MH on that little setup.. heh.

[@cessnacitation-x]

​@@justair44idiot. This aged poorly. Shit obviously crashed, and I'm happy about that. I hope you lost a bunch of money 😊😊

[@cessnacitation-x]

​​@@justair44 Holy, this comment is so cringey. "heh" - you sound exactly how I'd expect a crypto loser to sound like. Are you bankrupt now, considering the massive (and completely expected) crash in cryptocurrencies? "bro invest in dogecoin, it's the future bro"

[@a.neville4216]

The most fitting channel name. Couldn't describe it any better.

[@DesFTW_]

with that limited bandwidth, you might get very similar performance with something like a 1050 ti, of course depends on the game's bandwidth utilization

[@MrMega200]

I think a GT 1030 is all you need for this setup.

[@Dano_fa14]

This is what happens when u spend all Ur pc budget on a scalped rtx 3070 so u can only buy a raspberry pi

[@zeeweenor]

this is amazing i never thought this would ever happen, very epic thanks for the video Dawid

[@KOSMOS1701A]

I'd like to get one of these for my laptop, its one of those "pair a decent processor with a mid tier GPU" models.

[@eatsoupeveryday]

This type of setup is a lot faster if you are able to connect the exp gdc beast via m.2 wifi interface. I was able to play GTA V on max 1080p well over 60fps using an rx 5700.

[@gamingtalent2888]

Do have a video of u doing so? I'd be interested

[@eatsoupeveryday]

@@gamingtalent2888 I do not have video or pictures atm, but I may upload one in the near future. If you're on dawid's discord, I'll dm you pictures of my setup with it.

[@jygoh1419]

Yup, both the M.2 A key or M key model can give X4 instead of X1, as long as you're willing to give up inbuilt Wi-Fi and use USB Wi-Fi adapters (hell YES!)

[@gamingtalent2888]

@@eatsoupeveryday ohh, i am not on discord unfortunately

[@eatsoupeveryday]

@@jygoh1419 That is correct.

[@deechvogt1589]

Recently the YT algorithm presented your videos and your content is unique. This video among the most creative and off-the wall! Keep up the good work. Your recently minted subscriber.

[@TurboTLTD]

I don't know why but his vids are better than Linus tech tips' vids

[@picscrazy]

Its more relatable cause its hardware thats in reach. Especially in normal non gpu shortage times

[@rossmaxx]

Also, no weird segways to sponsors

[@attharikbowie9769]

And no drop tips from dawid XD

[@MaxUmbra]

Absolutely

[@matthewplehn4271]

way better!!!

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

"Goku slowly charging the spirit bomb. Ready to Launch it at the newest enemy. " The energy this PC gives off with all of its scrotal prowess.

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

I said the real ALL IN ONE XD

[@paulmaydaynight9925]

dont blame the cards, blame all the motherboard makers for not putting standard active PCI E x4 slots instead of the lowest x1 on everything even today. for reference dont forget the interconnect port speeds are around... Mini PCI Express has a speed of 2.5Gb/s PCI-E 2.0 x2 6.4 Gb/s (800 MB/s) PCI-E 2.0 x4 12.8 Gb/s (1.6 GB/s) PCI-E 3.0 x4 31.5 Gb/s (3.9 GB/s) see even the really old PCI-E 2.0 x4 gives a card reasonable breathing room for an x4 10Gb/s ethernet card etc ,demand all motherboard vendors replace all x1 with active x4 asap going forward.

[@imbalolpro]

I did this setup for a 5 year old Dell laptop, and a smartcard pcie to the same type of setup. Had a GTX580 with a i5 2000 something U. This hooked me up until I could afford a new game rig. These adapters are so underrated.

[@ClayWheeler]

Yeah I also have Core i5 2430m Processor 2nd Gen. It's very interesting with performance gain. I made a video about it in my channel

[@ypoora1]

The EXP GDC is actually pretty competent. With the correct m.2 adapter you can actually get 4 lanes which really helps. You can power it with the brick power supplies from Dell optiplexes of old and you can use an adapter cable to then power your GPU's connectors from the GDC, and the whole thing powers up and down with your computer.

[@originalsynestir]

My favorite way to wake up on the way to work, great video as always!

[@rharbarenko]

This is the quality content I expect from you tube! NOW get it running on a Samsung smart fridge!

[@lordace8795]

Would love to see you try to make that adapter work on a normal desktop tower!! Plug that beast straight into the wifi slot!

[@raven4k998]

what would the performance be with a higher gen pci-s slot gen 2 go to gen 3 pci-e 3 or 4 for shits and giggles

[@Solua86]

Nah you're not corrupt enough to be the monarch of Croatia

[@frickzjee]

he'll learn pretty fast

[@alexanderjohansson2671]

What you really should be checking and I'd like to see, is a video where you checkout which graphics card fits best for this adapter. Where you lose out as little as possible on the bandwidth cap.

[@KenneTech]

"Fart in a bath" probably my new favorite quote. Thank you

[@utzufideli9769]

I use a m.2 nvme to pcie 4x adapter and i have like 18% performance drop with my 3060. I think thats actually pretty acceptable when taking in consideration that I mainly use that gpu for tensorflow which only seems to perform around 2% worth than on my friends 16x pcie slot.

[@ayskendee5693]

I’ve been waiting for this, eGPU

[@namataken]

finally I've been waiting for this video

[@noah_will]

This is awesome, man! I have the same PC and I will try these upgrades some time.

[@Havox7]

I would love to see this with a few step ups in pcie range. 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x

[@darknessblades]

A even bigger Bottleneck would be if you use a Netbook with mini PCI-E, then use the GPU on a external screen.

[@sydneytomlinson]

I love that you're wearing an AquaFPS shirt!!! He's an underrated streamer!

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Aqua is great! His clothes are also pretty cool. 😁

[@sydneytomlinson]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff hahaha that's a good one

[@Ostarrich1]

Omg I am glad someone else noticed that!

[@vacoff2717]

Great video mate, good listening to us

[@denvera1g1]

You can also do the same thing with a laptop that has an ExpressCard slot, same PCIe1x limitation exists though, if you find a computer that used PCIe 4.0 you'd see 2 the performance from just one lane of PCIe, but most if not all of these have switched to M.2 with at least 2 lanes of PCIe(WWAN slots might be 1x but IIRC will only work with WLAN/WWAN) I'm assuming you've already done this, but in case you havent, well, here's a fun project, and can provbably use much of this hardware for another video

[@Raiggonaxes]

I am shocked at how easily this went Dawid. SUGGESTION: Next video see how this setup runs when you introduce a small fire.

[@forleb7968]

Dawid simply forgot to equip his Razer™ Xtreme Gaming RGB Bracelet, adds 400 fps guaranteed

[@demonwheelchair1533]

Digging the Aqua FPS shirt noice!

[@jesserangel7035]

This is the only channel I subscribe to that has notifications on.

[@Longbowgun]

Take the plastic cover off the x16 adapter. This allows the card to seat and lets the MOSFETs "breathe". I run 2 adapters like these (that didn't come with that cover) for my Folding @home rig.

[@crenn6977]

Had an idea based on the view from 5:12 and checked your other videos. Looks like there was an option (and samsung's support page indicates this as well, AMD Radeon HD 7850M to be exact) for a GPU to be soldered onto the motherboard. So maybe there might be a way of getting something like an PCI-E 8x slot from that bare section of where the GPU was meant to go.

[@jedediahferguson5686]

Soldering a slot adapter in without introducing SI problems would be tricky, but it is definitely theoretically sound idea.

[@brick4353]

This would have worked so much better if that pci-e was at least a 4x slot

[@zn9219]

that 3070 looks so good, its probably cheaper than msrp and thats fine because that card is so utilitarian and powerful, i wonder how i can get my hands on one, imagine if dell sold these cards, would be amazing value

[@dadasaurusrex]

My son and I used the beast to build him a gaming laptop with a GTX 960 2gb. He’s 6 and he loved taking the old laptop apart and learning what everything does.

[@pat8585618]

you're a mad man, and i love it. subd

[@SPUD3521]

When I first started watching these videos I wondered why anyone would make these nonsense videos, now I find myself enjoying every one.

[@DJdoppIer]

I can't believe that actually worked. Incredible!

[@hoseinqadam]

I actually did this with my xps l502x, I used a msi gtx 950, did not need external 6 pin power so worked out great

[@swagdivinity2148]

My man with Aqua's t-shirt, a man of culture

[@robertbrooks4637]

thank you for doing this. ive been wanting a video like this for a while/

[@1deadly187]

I have the ADT-Link version connected to a "DeskMini 110" and it rips... also the connections and setup are much cleaner as you use a dell power brick to run it instead of a whole PSU like that.

[@darkraft100]

Now try that combination in a proper pc motherboard, I would LOVE to see the comparasion

[@dakoderii4221]

That and try weaker graphics cards like a 1050 ti

[@darkraft100]

@@dakoderii4221 no, I speak about using the i7 3770 with a proper cooler and some proper ram, if you manage to do sum overclock I bet that there will be not much of a bottleneck, like max 30-20%

[@orangy57]

the bandwidth also gets cut in half because the signal is getting sent back to the internal display, you could definitely get more performance by hooking it up to an external monitor

[@martinbernath]

I use one of these with the expresscard to make my old dell latitude more usable in 3D CAD with a 750ti. Expresscard makes it extremely easy to use, its not quite hotswappable but i never have problems when unplugging it or plugging it back in (i do have to turn the pc off though), it always recognizes the card just fine. And with a lower end gpu the bottleneck isnt as noticeable, just from experience i would say the loss is less than 10%, of course the 750ti is quite a low end card these days but its an incredible upgrade from integrated intel graphics and for something that takes 5 seconds to plug in and one reboot its great.

[@waseemh3863]

It would be cool to test this with like a 1050, 1030 or something just to see at what point the interface isn't the bottleneck

[@David73977]

Now the question is what gpu exactly would you want to pair with this all in one?

[@raven4k998]

obviously a beast like the gt 1030🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kkcxr4864]

The people who disliked, your goal is beyond my understanding, love your content, road to 1million

[@jygoh1419]

Ah yes, the EXP GDC Beast, the savior for many old laptops and AIO's!

[@2020Tech4U]

As always fun video and I want to say insightful....lol Keep enjoying that All in 1.

[@D3PeXoR]

Max to this adapter I would say is something about 1050 Ti. For a newer hardware with M.2 slot it's also available adapter which give us about 4x PCIE lanes that can make sense.

[@malccy72]

Great video Dawid. What next for the all-in-one I wonder?

[@2009numan]

Another fun video Dawid doing Dawid stuff lol

[@Sandesh98147]

Somewhere along the line, Dawid decided Half liFe 2 is abbreviated as HF2 and we all just never had an issue

[@NathanNichols49042]

you could do some testing on that and see what graphics card would not be bottlenecked by that adapter

[@DrearierSpider1]

Damn, I thought the recent eGPU setups from PC World and Jarrod's Tech crippled Ampere's performance. 1x PCIe though...hot damn.

[@ram89572]

If we assume that was a gen 3 PCIe then that means that the max bandwidth was a whole 1GB/s each direction. Talk about some crippled performance. I bet the card was doing all of that while still taking a nap.

[@lakenbobaconthatsme878]

this will be the best tech video all TIME!

[@thebrodycollins]

Next video do the ultimate ram bootle neck I don’t think anyone else has.

[@CoalitionGaming]

I was on such a huge eGPU kick a while ago, never wanted to succumb to using a GDC Beast and ALMOST made a cheaper solution work once...but then i accidentally fried the adapter lol. GDC Beast really does make things easier, thats for sure haha.

[@ARobinGaming]

I see you have one of the 10 3070s in the world

[@windowstips1430]

He has two of the 10 3070s in the world lol

[@thedavesofourlives1]

so much for having a control dataset, running the card with GPU in 16x slot.

[@Louis-nv6jr]

I still find it interesting that they're repurposing an hdmi port to connect to the mini pcie

[@tOSdude]

I wonder if a gt1030 would work just as well with that adapter?

[@PaulSman123]

Best Thermals that 3070 has ever run at!!!

[@lornon5759]

All in One maker will now be coming for you since you have shown how to extend the life of all in one.

[@pierregrobbelaar9116]

This are like having a ferrari shell with a mini motor 😒

[@robertt9342]

I used to run a Mac Mini on medium playing csgo at 90fps at 900p. The updates have really ranked performance.

[@bonesssj4]

@Dawid Does Tech Stuff This was my setup when I made the switch from console gaming three years ago, except I was using this adapter on my a laptop with a ROG Strix 1080

[@Suuhls]

If you lower the monitors resolution or only use the GPU as a rendering device it would probably perform better since yeah, 1x is not doing HDMI and GPU stuff at the same time

[@himanshukhatri4922]

AWESOME VIDEO 😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@filipkarvay8462]

Damn, I'm late to the party! but- if you ever see this, I'd love to see a pt.3 with either a second fan on the cooler or watercooled (it's opened anyways) also, I'm not sure if i'm right but.. how much bandwidth does a USB 3 port have? there's two of them (unless they share bandwidth)

[@poorsap1598]

Would be kind of neat to see what graphics card maxes out the pci 1x slot. I'm guessing a very very old card.

[@nelsonfigueroa3198]

lag is gone if you set the os to use the RTX 3070 through the built in GPU via Gpu optimus mode. Same way you can game on old Tesla cards that dont have video out ports.

[@HowlingCurve]

You can tell the GPU is practically sitting at idle given the temps are around 44c. My 2060 is sitting at 50c just watching youtube (I live in a pretty hot climate around 35c most days)

[@buddybleeyes]

A kneecapped 3070, getting kneecapped again? Sounds fun 😂😂

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Dawid: I'm taking you out of the Dell! 3070: Yay! Dawid: And putting you in something worse!

[@buddybleeyes]

@@benjaminoechsli1941 That poor 3070, its had a terrible life so far.. and it's only going to get worse in Dawid's hands 😂

[@RollinThundervlogs]

Could you possibly use this setup on a 2015 hp pavilion notebook with a core i3-5157u 2.50GHz processor?

[@cavumink538]

im surprised u didnt lap the cpu to improve cooling. those cut marks are probably causing some heat spikes

[@D3PeXoR]

The EXP GDC is the only adapter with proven compatibility and works best from all of this type of devices. But its practical side is highly debatable, because it's not that cheap when you need GPU, adapter and also the power supply. At this point maybe better will be change the entire notebook.

[@kimnice]

Funny thing is that a lower end card would have been bottnecked more badly than RTX 3070. Lower end cards usually don't have enough VRAM so they'll also use regular RAM. This requires a lot of PCI-express bandwidth. For example: RTX 3080 with AGP bus speeds is still faster than RTX 3070 with PCIe 4.0 x16..but RX5500 4GB's performance tanks if you put it to PCI 3.0 slot instead of 4.0 RX5500 card being electronically only x8 is a major factor obviously, but PCI 3.0 x8 still offers 4 times more bandwidth than AGP.

[@raven4k998]

so Dawid is basically cutting a 3070 down to pci-e 1x without doing it in a permanent way yay

[@symonsicuan6148]

Welcome back from vacatiom :)

[@catherinemorgan2741]

sorry to say can't see the top of the screen miss the settings % on MSI testing numbers