Drinker's Chasers - Willow: Another Garbage Show Cancelled

[@Gorbz]

Willow - a show where the titular character is worn down and old, and gets drained by using magic (except when he does not), people who kill men, boil their skulls and then wear them are just misunderstood, and the self-centered obnoxious princess is worthy of the magic armour that will only work for the most pure-of-heart and worthy. I, for one, will not miss it.

[@fakshen1973]

What a pile of excrement

[@tarron3237]

God I'm glad I didn't watch a single minute of it.

[@afg9104]

wtf is that backwards thinking by these people

[@chasehedges6775]

@@tarron3237 Same here

[@micklaws5520]

Nor I…..the first show airing had me choking up hairballs. Daughter and Husband will not put that on again when I visit

[@TheWarmachine375]

Moral of the story: leave the classics alone and don't tarnish it for the sake of... *The Message.*

[@Sam-gw5pl]

They never listen

[@davidsummer8631]

Their way of thinking is that we will eventually fall in line behind the message

[@sergioarcaya7178]

Or at the very least try to respect the original lore.

[@Fedaygin]

​@@sergioarcaya7178"Or at the very least try to respect the original lore."

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Disagree. You don't need to leave them alone, you need only respect them.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Willow Season 2: *gets cancelled* Everyone: "Oh no. Anyway."

[@Kernwadi]

I haven't even watched it so I dunno what I'm happy about, but I'm happy nonetheless. Because I've heard that it was purely terrible.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@Kernwadi same.

[@Nobleheart111]

More like, Everyone: “Good riddance.”

[@tomatodamashi]

Actually I think most people are like "there was a Willow tv show?"

[@colinewen8536]

@@Kernwadi same here😁

[@ron88303]

I recall someone saying that Disney's problem is they are making programs THEY want people to see, instead of programs the people want to see.

[@WorthlessDeadEnd]

They are beholden to the CCP.

[@WarGhoulKharas]

Correction: They make shows they think people on Twitter want and the writers want to see.

[@blockmasterscott]

@@WarGhoulKharas Correct. It’s the modern version of New Coke in the 80s.

[@ron88303]

@@WarGhoulKharas Valid point.

[@chasehedges6775]

This is so terrifyingly accurate.

[@peppersurfer]

the destruction of disney is more entertaining than their shows

[@pure-blood17]

not really....because it brings the fact to light that all the IP's Americans created have been bought by foreign entities that hate us and are being destroyed on purpose just because they can....

[@nicoleackerman205]

😁

[@evertonporter7887]

I'm not gloating over Disney's failure. To see the demise of a once great American institution is sad, and yet another symptom of America's moral and spiritual decline. God has turned his back on America.

[@dirkdiggler7621]

True

[@lupulul]

@@evertonporter7887 Calling it institution is far too much. It is men who've turned their backs, not God. Men created everything. As in humans in general, not humans with a peanus.

[@scribbles1424]

Willow didn't deserve the treatment it received. Disney cannot help themselves with their shameful behavior.

[@archstanton9073]

Well, at least Warwick Davis treated the project with distain (based on his non-acting choices) like it deserved.

[@willow1601]

I know Disney doesn't really like me that much

[@PantoniStrikesBack]

@@willow1601 Fuck them then! We still love you, peck! ;) Cheers!

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@willow1601 you are alright, m8

[@narusawa74]

They're minions of Slanesh, corrupting all they touch.

[@Kernwadi]

"People call me racist... I can't even drive." -Bilbo Baggins

[@rajyavardhansingh4491]

Don't get it

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

​@@rajyavardhansingh4491>>> Same here...🤦‍♂️

[@kri249]

I get the racist part. Race, as in race car. Don't get the Bilbo Baggins part though. Unless it's one of those random nonsense quotes.

[@Kernwadi]

@@kri249 You got it. And it's a Bilbo Baggins quote because he's the smartest man who ever lived and has said everything.

[@paulmacleod3559]

A better quote would be, "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

[@Return_of_Godzillas_Revenge]

About Ant-Man 3, I like how there's no excuses this time around. It wasn't "toxic fans review-bombing the movie", there were no major controversies going around, and some people were actually hopeful about it. The fact Disney is apparently trying to sue reddit users because someone leaked the script is just the purest form of cope, its like yeah, the script getting leaked is what made it flop, sure.

[@scruffy74]

Maybe they’re suing in a desperate attempt to generate some income and break even lol

[@reputablehype]

@@scruffy74 more like generate any type of PR for when it hits streaming lol

[@bruhdon4748]

It’s because they didn’t have a black female lead or a gay man to hide behind & blame all the controversy on sexism or racism like they always do, it can never be just because it’s a shit movie & antman 3 doesn’t have those things to hide behind and has been recognised and accepted as an awful movie.

[@scott8448]

People saw the communist ants comment and died laughing hence they missed the movie so I see disneys point

[@thespacesbetweenstudio3346]

and the main characters were white. They couldn't even blame the fans

[@TheWarmachine375]

J.R.R. Tolkien saw the future where classic works get butchered and he tried to warn us. We didn't listen.

[@scribbles1424]

Doesn't help his own family are helping the destruction. Just wait until LotR becomes public domain.

[@O1OO1O1]

How so?

[@jacobrogers2906]

At least LOTR was adapted brilliantly. That's why I didn't really care about how hard they fucked up with ROP. The most important of his works has already gotten justice.

[@StockpileThomas1]

No he did not

[@jjolarte98]

@Vince Lumontad can you please elaborate?

[@lordgorgrath1773]

This one hurts. I loved Willow as a kid and was really hoping the show would be good 😢

[@sharkdentures3247]

Never let them destroy that child-like optimism! (I know it's difficult. Since they seem to be DETERMINED to do exactly THAT!)

[@botep5529]

Me too. It was my favorite movie as a kid. I've probably watched it 600 times

[@jenniferst.george810]

I did too. But, under lucasfilm I was very worried

[@reputablehype]

I did too which is exactly why I have not and will never watch that show lol

[@sardonicspartan9343]

We knew it wouldn't be though.

[@onewingedmoogle]

The lack of Mandalorian merch wasn't because Disney didn't realize the potential of it. That was at Jon Favreau's request to avoid the show being spoiled before the first episode even aired.

[@Lelldorin84]

Willow was a fun, self-contained story that didn't need a sequel. The good guys won, Willow became a sorcerer like he always wanted and Sorsha and Martegan(sp?) Got together to raise the baby and rule the land justly.

[@AriThecraftydragon]

Yes, that's what I loved about the story. It was a Fantasy adventure with a happy ending.

[@dimebag505]

I am surprised Discovery wasn't cancelled sooner and lasted 5 seasons😅

[@GeneralPotatoSalad]

Drinker seems to be realizing (or perhaps "resigned to" would be more accurate) what I've been saying for some time: People aren't going to pick up the one good series in the middle of a terrible franchise just because the franchise used to be something we enjoyed. We've moved on and have other things to fill our time now.

[@aeonnortune]

@GeneralPotatoSalad to be fair, I have been watching Picard Season 3 based on Drinkers and RKs recommendation. However I torrented it so no sub bux for you Paramount. I have to say so far up through episode 5 I've mostly agreed with Drinkers assessment. Thsts the only reason I'm watching it, he and I have very similar tastes, and I grew up with TNG. So far the show has brought back a lot of the cast (Geordie and Data aside), and I've felt like they've leaned into the ages of the characters without being *too* maudlin about it, the new characters for season 3 are good, the one holdover from S2, Raffi, is fairly annoying but she kind of mellows out it seems. I totally get what you mean, 80% of actual Trek fans aren't going to see this due to how arrogant, dismissive, and destructive CBS/Paramount have been with Star Trek and how much they've wrecked thr lore... But Picard S3 is almost in it's own pocket universe back on the original TNG/DS9/VOY timeline and out of the "Kelvin timeline" bullshit, dark anesthetics aside, I agree with Drinker there too, it still looks too grimdark. Anyways, if you can see it without paying money, I'd say it's worth it. I'm torn, I feel like Paramount should get the message *Yes! This *IS* what Trek fans want to watch!... But you probably already knew that didn't you guys, and just didn't care until it cost you too much money*... But they've fucked it up too bad and shouldn't be rewarded by doing thr right thing only when they've exhausted all other options for producing pure shit.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

@@aeonnortune agreed - Picard 3 is really awesome!

[@jacobrogers2906]

The problem with Willow wasn't even wokeness really, it was the unending stupidity of the plot direction. "We never trained Elora to protect her." Maybe she could protect herself better if she was, I don't know... trained? The show is loaded with shit like that. It was unbelievable.

[@johnhughes2124]

what annoyed me about Willow is that actually there was a LOT of potential, wokeness aside you COULD have made the we never trained Elora direction work if you'd emphasised the maternal relationship between Shorsha and Elora. Too long to write here but with some extensive re-writes you could have made the origional plot work

[@mattgottesmann3514]

Imo the problem is woke writing, because it has to be totally concerned with a checklist of how characters have to be shown and what to avoid. Story, development and believability come last.

[@styleisaweapon]

Its woke-adjacent, where things dont have to be at all rational. Woke is a symptom of the larger problem of dropping IQ's, and the fact that IQs are only dropping on one side of the political spectrum shows that its the consequences of children being exposed to certain kinds of illogic.

[@kevgamble]

It's the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy syndrome. What happened for the prior 30 years? Who cares, let's just punt.

[@scifiwriter98]

Because it was written by diverse, untalented people.

[@JRRob3wn]

This should’ve been an easy win, Willow rides again on a new adventure with Mad Martigan’s kid, it practically writes itself. These people get paid millions to ruin IP.

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

PRECISELY why at least 1200 people should support "Diamond Dragons". It wouldn't take much. But unfortunately, everyone's going down with the (Titanic) ships that are Disney, Marvel, DC, etc.

[@jestucker2268]

When I was younger, a season of a show was 22-26 episodes, spanning 6 months. These "Seasons" of shows on these streaming services barely have enough run time to equal a mini-series. and sometimes I very grateful for that fact.

[@nicoleackerman205]

Yes I miss when tv shows seasons were every year not coming back two years later and when they had a million episodes not 5 to 12 episodes.

[@fix0the0spade]

As a Brit I'm used to TV series having 6 to 8 hour long episodes to fit our TV scheduling. I always found the US model of dozen of episodes per series to be a massive slog as they prolong and prolong the story. I'd hoped that byy dropping seasons to a similar length to ours quality would improve, but apparently not, they're just making 6-8 filler episodes instead of telling a real story.

[@DutchThriceman]

@@fix0the0spade Agreed, if you can't tell me a good compelling story in a few hours, you can't tell me a good compelling story, I hate filler filled dragged out slogs also.

[@CLove511]

Breaking Bad: **exists** British people: "Nothing can compare to a thrilling 6 episodes of who stole Ms. Meekle's prized crumpet tray!"

[@kenstrumpf909]

And yet these streaming shows are basically two hour movies stretched out over eight hours. There’s just not enough story to fill the time allotted so they’re full of filler.

[@cacomeatballmarinara2014]

I remember my step mom making my family watch Willow cause she grew up with it and the new show was coming out, and like yeah the movie wasn’t for me but had I watched it as a 9 year old? Would’ve adored it cause it was endlessly charming. Then the show happened and it was like watching someone I was kinda becoming friends with getting scalped in front of me

[@edmondgreen7970]

well, at least you have something to bond over if you want it. you could be all like, "I don't understand why they messed with a decent movie like that". Then she'll pick that up and BOOM! bonding moment. again, that's if you want to be a little closer with her.

[@chrisblanc663]

My wife tried the same thing with me. We watched it, not my thing, she still loves it. Neither of us watched the show and have no intention of watching it. Me because I didn’t like it at its best, and my wife because she can’t have it destroyed. So we do agree on something when it comes to Willow. Thank you Disney!!

[@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158]

I honestly forgot this show even happened until this video showed up. Seriously, why is it so hard to make good fantasy shows nowadays? With the big budgets shows can get, it should be a cakewalk. Yet result is always the same.

[@O1OO1O1]

Shadow and Bone and Shannara Chronicles were entertaining.

[@thewalruswasjason101]

@@O1OO1O1 shannara was canceled because it was dogshit and a terrible CW-like joke. Terrible casting, goofy costumes

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

It's hard to make modern fantasy films because of how movies are made nowadays. Besides the WOKE pandering, most modern movies suck because they are just products now. Back in the day fantasy films felt authentic because they were written by people who actually love fantasy, nowadays writers write whatever's trendy. Also CGI is overused. It's hard to buy into live action films with worlds and characters that are clearly computer generated. CGI should be used to enhance practical effects, it shouldn't be there entirely computer generated.

[@chasehedges6775]

We are far and away from the days of the Peter Jackson LOTR movies and the Chronicle of Narnia movies. That was GOOD Fantasy

[@chasehedges6775]

@@improbablyyourdad8458👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@rubbishopinions6468]

A sensible industry would also go ahead and cancel the creators of these shows. These people employ engineers who make bridges that collapse but its okay because they're rainbow bridges and thats all that matters.

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

Literally. That pedestrian bridge that collapsed onto a highway a few years back was designed by an all-female team of engineers, who deliberately emphasized esthetics and social considerations over structural integrity.

[@cmc5394oparva]

@@nuclearmedicineman6270 You think back to the neoclassical architecture inspired by the 1893 Columbian Exposition, and what really stands out is that it not only looked great, but was built to last. Even Detroit's Central Station, years after it fell to ruin, was so rock-solid that they are able to do a complete renovation on it now, and look how many buildings constructed during that time are STILL being used on a daily basis.

[@JackMadness91]

I feel so sorry for Warwick Davis. Having to be thrown into this mess.

[@SomeHarbourBastard]

Don't be. He simped for the show.

[@booshmcfadden7638]

NOBODY TOSSES A DWARF!

[@Kernwadi]

I'd imagine that it was rather easy to throw him.

[@Lundarian1]

He got a paycheck, and got his name out there, here's hoping someone talented can give him a better script

[@phillyb8347]

He had a choice

[@bradsmovies]

The lack of merchandise for the Mandalorian was evidence of how little faith Disney actually had in the management of the Star Wars franchise at that time.

[@archstanton9073]

I think they just wanted to keep Baby Yoda a secret. In the era of social media, if that leaked there would have been chaos.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

I think that's a good way to describe it. How else could they *possibly* miss a merchandising opportunity. Both the Star Wars franchise and Disney as a company have been clearly aware of how lucrative merchandising can be. They both have *DECADES* of experience with it.

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

Then they retroactively act like it was all part of the plan as to not spoil the show. And people believe that crap

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

No thanks to Kathleen kennedy

[@ladylestranj]

Lack of merchandise? What were all those baby Yodas from, that were everywhere...?

[@BishopWalters12]

I loved the movie growing up and proud to say that I didn't waste one second of my life with this show. Putting aside the heavy handed woke s@@@, A Willow sequel just came too late in the game, we needed Val back, the focus being on him and Willow once again but sadly that wasn't going to happen because of Vals health.

[@blockmasterscott]

Disney would be rolling in the dough if they would have ignored The Message and kept to the original formula for Star Wars, Willow and Marvel. Free money was practically in front of them.

[@chasehedges6775]

What a waste of potential. It’s just depressing

[@EvilAnomaly]

In more dough...possibly but I'm sure they're rolling in dough despite the nonsense while also keeping to "The Message" which is a vital part of their mission.

[@newtpondskipper]

You hit the nail on the head here. I am apathetic to most of these series and won't invest my time into garbage even if it turns decent later ex Picard.

[@chasehedges6775]

Same here. These Disney shows are so mediocre with the exception of Andor.

[@lonewolf_a_real1]

Willow felt like that National treasure show they made

[@mala6238]

Wait...there is a NT TV show??

[@lonewolf_a_real1]

@@mala6238 yup. It's goofy af

[@mala6238]

@@lonewolf_a_real1 omg. No Cage, no party?

[@lonewolf_a_real1]

@@mala6238 Lol no. Just a group of young inclusive college kids.

[@mala6238]

@@lonewolf_a_real1 ok. So I didn't miss anything I guess? There is no NT without Nick Cage, that's for sure.

[@roystonrubble7103]

People aren't watching Picard because it's been buried but because "Too little, Too late"

[@mickeymao7145]

True, and unfortunately Terry Matalas really delivered on season three, it's so good I can't believe what I'm watching, but it is what it is and the fans have every reason to boycott Kurtzman Trek

[@dcscreenworks]

It's not "too little"... It's just too late. Well, for anyone stuck on "fool me twice! You can't fool me again"🤣

[@Paulafan5]

It's still not good, in my opinion. It looks like Discovery, and feels like it too. It's obviously better than Discovery, but it's not any better than SNW, and that's sad.

[@Aikurisu]

I used to hold the original film with such high regard and recommended it always. Now I refuse to even mention what was originally a huge inspiration to me as a fantasy creator. Thanks Disney. As always.

[@TheNightman.]

You still can, the original film is fine and a classic. The tv show is an abomination that never existed because it'll be forgotten whereas the film will live on

[@romainrondeau4242]

The film is still what it is. Don't let a shitty sequel ruin what is still good :). Keep loving it.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@romainrondeau4242👍👍👍👍

[@benjaminkenobi21]

This is like saying "I hate the Star Wars original trilogy now because some bad installments got made later." Or like saying "I can't enjoy Michael Jackson's music now that I know he turned out to be a predator." It annoys me to no end when people think like this. If what you loved was good back then, absolutely nothing can make it bad now. It hasn't changed. It's still awesome. Why on earth would you let anyone, or anything, take that enjoyment away from you?

[@chasehedges6775]

@@benjaminkenobi21 Good point.

[@brettmartino7117]

One big problem with the MCU that's worth mentioning is lack of direction. They have teased the Multiverse saga, but it never feels like it's going anywhere and they contradict the rules of the multiverse in every new show. Then you have the Secret Invasion thread. They started that 5 years ago, it never went anywhere but we have a Secret Invasion show coming up. Finally, you have the metaphysical/magic story thread which has been teased with Agatha and Wanda. That hasn't gone anywhere. The writing and planning is an F-

[@420gunnyinc]

The skulls were shown as good aliens who needed help from the Kree hunting them down, now their suddenly back stabbing Nick Fury an friends to invade an control the Earth ??? It just doesn't any sense. Which will make the MCU as a whole less watchable.

[@floridaman6982]

Problem is they tried to pick back up at the end of another better story. Should’ve slowed down and begun somewhere new with a whole new cast growing one character at a time.

[@ScoundrelSFB]

This show definitely died where it should of. Rough to say, but even rougher to watch.

[@josephsalmonte4995]

I haven't watched *any* TV for years. This channel just serves to prove that I'm missing out on nothing 👍

[@TheYetixOUTx]

bro you didnt watch Better call Saul? Mr Inbetween is also very good.

[@jackmesrel4933]

There are good shows out there, you just have to look for them. But yeah, the mainstream landscape is disastrous these days

[@WorthlessDeadEnd]

I think what the original poster meant by TV 📺 was basic cable TV.

[@O1OO1O1]

That's just wrong. There's some amazing TV shows that have come out in the last decade.

[@TheStillaplaya]

Hulu. Mr Inbetween. Wish I could forget the show just to see it all over again for the first time. Good tv is out there, just harder to find as the content wave washes so many good shows away in a tidal wave of apathy. People are tired of watching 2 to 3 episodes to realize a show with a great concept or fav IP is utter trash and give up testing shows out anymore. This small production should have been lauded as must see worldwide. Enjoy

[@AHersheyHere]

When they pulled the trope where ‘the old veteran warns the party about danger and then immediately dies from that danger’ I shut my brain off. That was the nail for me.

[@chasehedges6775]

Generic Cliches. Gotta hate them.

[@into_play3226]

And then they didn’t mourn or even mention the veteran character at all. Worst writing for a show ever.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@into_play3226 Groanworthy and awful writing

[@submarineUK]

I've been a fan of Star Trek since seeing the original series as a kid in the 70s. I watched every incarnation to the end of Enterprise's untimely death. I haven't watched any Trek since. However, due to nostalgia I gave Picard a chance. I lasted one episode of the first season and walked away. I reluctantly came back to the third season of Picard due to Nerdrotic's advice. I was apprehensive after the first episode (it's hard watching Patrick Stewart play a role he is obviously 10-years too old for). However, I stuck with it and I'm very glad I did. The wave of joy I felt not only being back with these beloved characters, but seeing Star Trek being written and performed almost exactly as I remember it is something I never expected to witness again. If you love Star Trek, watch season 3 of Picard. As of episode 5, you do not have to have seen any of the previous episodes to enjoy this particular series.

[@jacktribble5253]

Watching Disney now is like seeing an old friend infected with some engineered virus and turned into an evil, hideous undead mockery of their former selves. So much worse than just seeing them die. Not only are they dead, everything you loved about them has been twisted into a complete perversion of what they once stood for.

[@chubzero7342]

I love how dedicated Warwick Davis is to his characters. After all these years he will still do anything to get his gold.

[@thomasarnoldcoe6527]

Here is a token of my esteem It is exactly what it seems Made fresh daily at exactly 9 o’clock It comes from my shillelagh You can keep it in a crock

[@lance134679]

I was actually disappointed about Willow's cancellation. I didn't watch the show, but I really enjoyed Disparu's blow-by-blow takedown. Those are some of his funniest videos.

[@chasehedges6775]

Disparu does a good job on taking that show down and tearing it to shreds

[@Grayson030]

At least we have Gotham Knights for now to watch him teardown. Until it gets canned.

[@lance134679]

@@Grayson030 Right, the CW cavalcade of crap is going to end soon. Oh, well. I'm sure another laughably bad fantasy show will be along shortly. 👍😄

[@MrLavajet]

It also doesn't help that Disney is a nasty company. Even if they produce good stuff, it's full of bad people I don't want to give my money or time to. P.S. Grogu is essentially a knock off of Gizmo from Gremlins.

[@Raycheetah]

Well, James "I like kids" Gunn defected to WB... =^[.]^=

[@simonatterbury]

In the days before streaming, the studios had to fight against the competition to get content onto the TV networks. The concept and quality threshold had to be higher to get past the commissioning editors, who's jobs were on the line if a show failed and advertising was pulled. Now the studios self publish and revenues are generated by subscription not advertising, who within Disney etc. is going to be critical of a franchise? The studios are getting high on their own supply but the rest of us are looking for a more substantial experience.

[@Lestat21500]

The lesbian lumberjack scene was the pinnacle of cringe.

[@ExtraterrestrialsareReall]

She's a lumberjack and she's OK... Lol - Monty

[@smythharris2635]

A fetish scene.

[@Lt.GonvilleBromhead]

"I'm Hubert. What may we ask is your appellation?" "Gather from your dishevelment and woeful aspect you've gone and got yourself a bit turned around." Tolkien himself couldn't have done better. I was in awe of the writing. And the costume design. Stunning. Really, really stunning.

[@alefunzouzzle4049]

That was the scene I stopped watching. Not because of the lesbian stuff, but the Bass Pro Shop costumes were so cheap that it took me out of the fantasy world of Willow.

[@paulnash9851]

I do actually feel a bit sad for Warwick Davies. He’s a genuinely nice guy, and it seems like he was handed the really shit end of the stick, tarnishing both him + a quite beloved character for us 80’s kids. I feel both he + the character deserved so much better. You can see it written all over him on screen how he disliked what was going on, just like you could with Hamill and the Skywalker situation.

[@chasehedges6775]

I definitely feel bad for both him and Hamill.

[@archstanton9073]

Don't. He got paid and half-assed his way through filming. If anything he deserves credit for taking Disney's money.

[@Willowy13]

By now, after Luke, Leia and Han's destruction, actors that love the character they once played will not do business with Mickey Mao. Watch what they will do to The Punisher. Berthal has spoken about it and yet signed up for his character to be destroyed. Daredevil was already disneyfied in Shecunt. Have you heard of the problems with Blade? Disney will destroy every character they can get their hands on for The Message. For the actors, it is about the paycheck.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

​@@marshallhaskell4040 too little too late. Like saying Picard season 3 is good: We've endured 8 seasons of other TERRD SANDWICHES before it came along...

[@CleverGirlAAH]

​@@Willowy13 YEP. An actor is paid to read words. There's no such thing as character integrity. Hamill gave enough warning I give him a pass... He still guzzles the kool aid for everything else.

[@Daniel-Sann]

I'm one of those people that if the first season doesn't grab me. You'll never get my attention in season 3+ no matter how good it is. The thought of even getting through two shit seasons to get to one "okay" season is not good enough. I just feel like I never had this thought a decade ago because every first season in every genre was the best 🤷

[@bruhdon4748]

Me too, it took me four attempts of trying to get through season one of better call Saul & I finally did it and actually enjoyed the other seasons, but it took me four times to try and get through season one, I usually give up if season 1 of anything is bad and won’t watch anymore even if everyone tells me “it gets really good in season 2” like why wasn’t it good in season 1 then? 😂

[@frankgonzalez222]

That's a hell of a great point! Having seen some of that awful 2nd season of Picard, I had to give it another try especially since TNG is an all time favorite and the awesome Critical Drinker's glowing reviews. So glad the wifey and I did. We're loving it!

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

Go watch Spartacus blood and sand, it's a good show.

[@tjames4597]

Andor 2 is confirmed. My understanding though is that they won't continue after that as it was only planned for two seasons.

[@jimicapone]

The end of season 2 is suppose to tie into the beginning of Rogue One.

[@jamesthepeacock1919]

Warwick Davies deserves so much more.

[@Kernwadi]

Perhaps a cake?

[@Sam-gw5pl]

@@Kernwadi perhaps a step ladder

[@rwc20071]

Why?

[@Sam-gw5pl]

@@rwc20071 why indeed

[@chasehedges6775]

He definitely deserves better, I agree

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

Drinker is so damn eloquent! I can listen to him rant for hours! lmao

[@richdurbin6146]

When your trust is broken, it's hard to give a show another chance.

[@sj2304]

You guys should cover the War of the Worlds series. The Anglo-French one with Gabriel Byrne. It's brilliant! Interested on your take.

[@Harmonica821]

You can't stop Disney's self destruction, because that is the path they want to follow.

[@jonathankozenko]

While Willow was a fun movie, the thing I love about it the most as an adult was how the movie was built in a way (physically) where it looks like there's always something worth seeing off-camera. Like, there's random settlements/establishments that appear here and there, varying landscapes and the occasional set of ruins. Willow felt like you were only seeing one story in a world full of people, places and history, arranged in ways that are random, but random like they'd be if they were real, and as such, it was the world itself that I wished I could see more of (more Willow and Madmardigan would've been a nice bonus). Yes, by and large it's stock fantasy, but it was somewhat unique in how it rides the line between being fanciful and being gritty; it was a nice place but life was also hard. Oblivion & Skyrim were also very stock fantasy in setting, but I loved exploring the landscapes of those, because those worlds also made me feel like I was in an actual lived-in place. As such, I've always argued that Willow should've gotten a sequel/follow-up in the form of a massive RPG, maybe having Willow and Madmardigan as characters that you can interact with. And now that this horrible show came to exist, I doubly wish that we got the game instead....

[@Problembeing]

I came into Season 3 of Picard without watching the previous seasons, and I'm loving it.

[@WorthlessDeadEnd]

Good! That is perfectly fine. The other 2 seasons were completely unrelated to the 3rd.

[@Quato369]

But Picard is not Picard. He is but an android so...

[@jwray1813]

I've been calling this new trend in entertainment as bait and switch. They bait you in using well established characters you care about and switch it up on you about the story and who these characters are now. It's highly disappointing. I no longer trust anything that comes out now.

[@chasehedges6775]

So true. They continue to trick and it’s getting old

[@meganrichardson6471]

That’s a great term for what they do. I’ve basically given up on all sequels because they have to “unhappy” the happy ending. I will just stick with the original finished story and happy ending, thanks anyway.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@meganrichardson6471👍👍👍

[@chasehedges6775]

@@meganrichardson6471 “unhappy the happy ending.” I always despise when sequels do that

[@jwray1813]

@@meganrichardson6471 It does seem that all these "new" shows and movies have the same crappy theme. I can only imagine the writers are thinking "Well, I'm unhappy as hell, so should this. This needs to reflect my life. Where can we put this rant so the most people will see it.... I know... Star Wars.....oh maybe Star Trek... yeah, people will watch that"

[@DraknalHitdan]

2:05 "I think they've kind of reached the end of their road-" I think you mean "the end of their rope" good sir. As you know they've been going that way for a looong time. They just blissfully continued falling towards it, ignoring fan (actual fans) criticism and feedback. And now their rope (funding) has run out. With any luck they're finally starting to wake up to the fact that they can't spend woke good will or clout. Shame it's had to come at the price of irreparable damage to beloved franchises.

[@thesteveruss]

Whats worse? The Witcher: Blood Origin or Willow?

[@andrewcodreanu5747]

That's a tough one... it's like trying to figure out which piece of turd smells a wee bit better xD

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Which one is worse? Yes

[@rodneypayne4827]

​@@andrewcodreanu5747 you can't polish a turd but you can get Turd polish! 😅

[@Zac_Frost]

Yes.

[@thesteveruss]

Yes ... and Rings Of Power ...

[@drumjedi5301]

As a staunch Star Wars fan since I was a kid (I was born the same year as TESB was released): I'm here for all the cancellations. It's quantity over quality with Disney, and Hollywood in general, and it's awful, and I'm over it. They manage to produce a few gems every here and there, but overall it's trash.

[@Kernwadi]

I interpret the ending of the midget as the end of his beginning. No one cares or understands. I am happy about the pain now, and I find it interesting.

[@cookiecookie88729]

Boycott until they're bankrupt

[@CleverGirlAAH]

Careful... They'll sell it off to China. We need to emaciate them. Not kill them. Hahaha

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Willow gets cancelled but you can bet your bottom dollar that red head actress will get another role.

[@TheSt1092]

If Disney continues down the path of political messaging over good escapist entertinment then in the long term it is doomed . I don't think anything can save the MCU or Star Wars at this point in time. Certainly the next two Avengers movies look doomed.

[@ripperrex7883]

At this point messaging matters more then money. If/when Disney crashes the Government will bail them out.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Nobody cares about the characters in the next Avengers movies. The characters are so boring. D list characters just don't cut it

[@MollyHJohns]

Endgame is the end game.

[@darthgoldustgamingandvlogg8674]

Star Wars isnt dead and it’s only having problems because people are too picky these days.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@darthgoldustgamingandvlogg8674 Lol no the writing is garbage

[@lifeimitateschess3768]

I really thought Willow could be the next rings of power, and boy we're my expectations met

[@chasehedges6775]

They definitely are tied together as some of the worst fantasy shows ever made

[@christopherlawley1842]

Nicely put down

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

It’s not like there wasn’t potential for a Willow sequel but not surprisingly, Disney ruined that potential.

[@lonewolf9578]

How terrible for their one fan

[@alexfriedman918]

Did you see the article calling the Willow cancellation a “crime against the LGBTQ~¥£_76 community”? The whole thing was a crime against good taste and decency, but it’s still funny…

[@ZephaniahL]

@Bill Clinton Enjoyer So very right, Clinton Enjoyer.

[@lastridge]

Thanks for being across the Willow TV series disgrace. The TV series REALLY upset me as a fan of the classic film. I'm fighting against activists online who are campaigning on Twitter to artificially inflate the Rotten Tomatoes user score - and they converted a stable 24% midway through the season to 60%+ (or whatever it's up to).

[@Kernwadi]

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[@kaj7135]

-400 social credit ⬇️ Long live Winnie the Pooh!

[@Kernwadi]

@@kaj7135 Ching chong, wing wong.

[@adamwest8256]

Like Yogurt said in Space Balls, "Merchandising, it's where the real money from the movie is made!" *still waiting for The Search for More Money.....

[@thisisscorpio6024]

Hey Drinker, I'm finding it more entertaining watching these woke productions fail than watching their shows. Sometimes, it's like watching a bonfire.

[@cameronliterally]

Westworld was another high profile show that was cancelled. I only saw the first season, but I heard fans really enjoyed the latest one.

[@procerator]

Westworld S1 is brilliant. S2 - dogshit but people watched it due to the momentum of S1. And it only gets worse from there. S4 has 6 times less views then S1.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

After S1, you missed nothing

[@J.H.Lee_]

God I hope RoP is next

[@TerryOnTuesday]

Can't wait to hear Drinkers' reactions to Gotham Knights, a show that seems to be WORSE than Batwoman.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Batwoman writers had to go somewhere

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

I think it's about on par.

[@Eienias]

i honestly can't believe Willow is where they crossed the line. THAT was the one that they actually cancelled. i didn't even know Disney+ could cancel their shows i didn't see it myself but its one of those things where i hear all the things about it and i just can't believe its real. then someone shows clips and like "oh wow they undersold how bad this was"

[@tranquilitybase8100]

Never underestimate how much corporations are willing to spend to influence culture. This isn't the beginning of the end. It will always be like this.

[@Lonovavir]

Shows like The Expanse and Cobra Kai are unintentionally bad reminders of how bad the rest of the entertainment industry is. If we can get good series/films like them why are we being more of the same?

[@Meop79]

The Message

[@chasehedges6775]

Andor as well

[@edwardp7725]

I love when you bring on Baggage Claim because we can get a female perspective. its refreshing to know that it's not just us "white men" that feel these things.

[@JamesSmith-iz7tu]

I was looking forward to willow because I have a soft spot from being a kid watching the film but seeing your review on it I have avoided it like patient zero of covid😁

[@Matticitt]

3:50 I did, and S3 is exactly what I wanted S1 to be. I stopped watching after like three episodes of S1 when it came out so they didn't manage to ruin the characters for me so I'm really enjoying the show now. It's pretty great.

[@booshmcfadden7638]

It isn't a garbage show; it's a garbage studio.

[@TheNightman.]

It's both

[@chasehedges6775]

@@TheNightman.definitely both

[@joshuapatrick682]

Warwick Davis didn’t deserve the straight up dumpsterfire that Disney made Willow.

[@crazyralph6386]

He made his millions though, can’t fault him for that however, he really needs to stick to the comic con circuit and leave the acting to professionals? He was god awful in this series 😂

[@rubbishopinions6468]

Streaming services just can't sustain expensive shows, surely the better strategy is to produce more medium budget shows and hope they land an audience and the only way to do that is by hiring those that can actually write coherent stories that don't blast you in the face with agendas like Homer Simpsons makeup gun.

[@floridaman6982]

Maybe they will sell em all back to Netflix 😂

[@TheSlackrguy]

I like Strange New Worlds season 1. I am taking a wait and see approach for season 2. Star Trek Prodigy was surprisingly enjoyable for me.

[@PolarizedMechs]

Lower Decks hit its stride later on, and I actually like it (even if I'm not a fan of CalArts). SNW was hit or miss--it was either very good or very bad.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

So...Antman played a small part.

[@tanjirouzumaki444]

It would be interesting to see a review on the 2016 film, “Fences”.

[@thebigivalbowlski]

I can't believe they just trashed another great franchise

[@consumer-1147]

LOL willow was never a great franchise it was a average movie at best tbh

[@chasehedges6775]

@@consumer-1147 The 80s movie was a fun adventure but yeah

[@thebigivalbowlski]

@@consumer-1147 It came out when I was a teenager so it was awesome then and still is awesome watching it now (the movie anyways)

[@chasehedges6775]

@@thebigivalbowlski👍👍👍

[@SirSpuddington]

As of 3-17-23, Disney has changed all of their upcoming Marvel series release windows from certain times to just "coming soon" across the board. Make of that what you will.

[@JosephFrostsGhost]

Willow Cancelled: Disparu Most Affected.

[@nicoleackerman205]

I only watched his reviews not the actual show.

[@jesterssketchbook]

baggage claim on drinker? that's lit

[@oldfatbastad6053]

2nd or 3rd appearance :)

[@DarioCanadaPhotography]

Anyone know what star wars project is being filmed in Madeira Island???

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Disney stuck its nose into identity politics, and had it chopped off.

[@Raycheetah]

It's okay. Disney lies enough that their nose grows back faster than anyone could chop. ='[.]'=

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Bravo

[@corbomite1138]

The reason they didn’t have Baby Yoda merchandise initially is because Favrau had to sneak him in on the story so K Kennedy didn’t block him and interfere with his show

[@Medivh154]

hey Drinker, im one of these people who gives picard season 3 a chance. i watched Season 1 (9/10 Episodes) it was hardcore crap, skipped season 2 completely but i find Season 3 really good so far.^^

[@bharatvarshaball4000]

He himself said S3 is good

[@Medivh154]

@@bharatvarshaball4000 yes but he said 3:50 "nobody is coming into a show 3 Seasons in this been crap until now..."

[@Medivh154]

@@bharatvarshaball4000 i mean he got a point with all these shows are burried under a big pile of crap, so no one gonna care anymore but i have to say thats really sad, because as example Andor was a really good show too and i hope it gets a Season 2 at this point, but if nobody cares about it, its easy to forget and to cancel it

[@WorthlessDeadEnd]

You can skip the first 2 seasons and go straight into the third. That is how disconnected they are. I literally thought the show would have ended with season 2.

[@Medivh154]

@@anoneemusnoename4192 i dont know who "Kurtzman" is but i get your point and im a pirate, i dont give anyone who produces shit any money^^

[@Prophlol]

How long is rings of power actually going to last?

[@richardfurness7556]

Good question. If there are going to be 4 more seasons with 2 - 3 years between each of them I can't see the show ending much before 2033. Given that the elves aren't supposed to show signs of physical age, it looks like the make-up and CGI crews will have their work cut out.

[@jaredqu1]

Hoping Percy Jackson gets the axe too!

[@chasehedges6775]

The books are better

[@jaredqu1]

@@chasehedges6775 author is trash though.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@jaredqu1 Author is awesome tho

[@orangorill]

Willow kind of reminded me of daft 90s snows like Sinbad and Hercules, and I figured I might be able to enjoy it from that perspective. Didn't work out though. I lasted 3-4 episodes before I gave up on it, and I guess I'm not the only one.

[@chasehedges6775]

The 90s Hercules show is LEAGUES better than the Willow show

[@alexfriedman918]

Andor creators shot themselves in the balls by running their big mouths before the show aired - something about an allegory for the evil Trumpian world, and the main character that never cared finally realizing that things can only be fixed through a violent revolution! Plus some stuff about “women in power”. After all that, I didn’t want to give it a chance, regardless - they need to learn to keep their traps shut!

[@mvader7188]

To be honest, I didn't give two shits about andor when I saw rogue one. The blind warrior or the crippled dude that was leading an insurrection would've made a better story.

[@alexfriedman918]

@@mvader7188 A fair point. I guess, to KK and her minions, he looked like a sufficiently nondescript male revolutionary, or some such nonsense.

[@scottwalker6947]

Black Widow was released at completely the wrong time. She should have been the first female Marvel star. And, it should have been a spy/assassin story (ala a comic style Bourne).

[@Lundarian1]

Go Drinker and crew!

[@Kernwadi]

🥉

[@Kernwadi]

Where are they supposed to go?

[@Lundarian1]

@@Kernwadi A good question! ...For another time.

[@Lundarian1]

@@Kernwadi Trungo's?

[@Kernwadi]

@@Lundarian1 That's a neat idea.

[@ps7372]

I don’t get why Andors getting so much praise, like it’s not bad, but it’s not that good either. It’s EXTREMELY generic, average, dull, forgettable, and boring. The esthetic is dull, the characters are dull, the acting is fine I guess. It’s not nearly as bad as Book Of Boba Fett or Kenobi, but it’s just extremely forgettable and boring. Hell, I forgot it even existed until you mentioned it here.

[@crazyralph6386]

I don’t get it either? Compared to all the other garbage such as BOBF and Obi Wan: A Reeva Story, I suppose it’s The Godfather? I refuse to embrace mediocrity, which Andor clearly was.

[@jamesms4]

Drinker happy St Patrick's Day. When you sober up and read this I want to personally thank you for forcing yerself to watch all these shite TV Shows and Movies so we don't have too. Yer a grand lad and no mistake. Keep up the good work. U Da Man.

[@MedalionDS9]

FYI.. Andor was planned to just be 2 seasons (but that was brought down originally from 5 seasons).

[@germantoenglish898]

Don't know if you are a fan but the finale of Endeavour was very satisfying. But I'm an old fart lol. British crime shows are so well-written.

[@martintimmer8574]

Hey,don’t spoil it! Have to wait till it’s broadcast in Germany! 😊

[@germantoenglish898]

@@martintimmer8574 of course not. 😃

[@JackMcMac]

It's an inflection point in nostalgia bait media. Willow was clearly going to be bad. Instead of drawing towards the nostalgia flame, many people I know wanted to preserve their childhood fondness of the characters and steered well clear of even giving it a go. I love Willow and Warwick Davis but I'll never watch that show. Same for Picard and many others. I wish I could have never seen the Star Wars sequels.

[@jeffcruz8280]

So true. I can’t bring myself to bother with Andor and I have zero excitement for Mandolorian.