Could not be happier with the DSG in my Renault. Matches well with 1.3 petrol eng.
@ajaysingla6711 Жыл бұрын
A very good review of DCT. Just to add if I may two other drawbacks of DCT from my experience. 1. the gearbox tends to hestitate at roundabouts and junctions and does not like to be hurried. Its not very good for quick smooth takeoffs and the car can wheelspin at times. 2. The car tends to jerk in the 1st gear providing very uncomfortable driving experience. In my opinion DCT is not suited for regular city and town driving which is why I rate torque convertors very high as they provide the best allround experience and there is no match to it for refinement and smooth gear changes. Modern torque convertors are brilliant in that there are so fuel efficient like the one in my Vitara. Of course DCT experience will vary in different cars but from my experience it has its limitations in town and city driving and you can't use creep function like you do with torque convertor gearbox as it will wear out the clutch plates and can cause expensive repair work.
@acoast844 ай бұрын
Is your second drawback less noticeable on a petrol engine?
@Michael_Schm6 жыл бұрын
The ZFs are also in almost all BMWs with 8-speed automatics. Different models of it ofcourse.
@RobBoothAutomotive6 жыл бұрын
Michael S Yes indeed. The ZF8 really is the ubiquitous modern automatic, and for good reason.
@eros1436 жыл бұрын
285000 Miles. Same Dual Clutch transmission. No issues. 2007 a3. I had a torque converter auto from a 2000 VW (Aisin). Failed at 175k
@Michael_Schm6 жыл бұрын
Was the A3 a 6-speed or 7-speed? (ie. a DQ250 or DQ200)
@briansakariasen75876 жыл бұрын
the dry clutch in DQ200 is bullshit the car i have, skoda fabia has run 79000 km and is on the way to clutch nr 4
@lucavangorkom94534 жыл бұрын
285,000 miles!?!? That's brilliant! Care to tell us the secret and the model of gearbox?
@slightlyjaded80983 жыл бұрын
The problem of entering into any experiment with your conclusion already worked into your hypothesis is you will always find a conclusion to support your theory.
@jbones3606 жыл бұрын
You say Diesel DSGs aren't as good for performance than petrol. My 10 year old Audi A3 DSG 2.0 TDI is insanely fast, the diesel gets incredible grip and acceleration that I've never come close to feeling in a car before. It puts my old beloved MK4 Golf Cabrio to shame.
@cooljool14 жыл бұрын
how do they do uphill? I find DSG is quite bad under these conditions
@RogerThomas-ws1md Жыл бұрын
Very informative video thanks,I am about to take ownership of a 2.0 auto DSG Diesel VW CC from 2008 so will be interesting to see how it handles everyday driving.I would likely be able to do a bit of Intervention if acceleration is required all of a sudden I would expect?
@wonderwalls356511 ай бұрын
how reliable is it?
@johnbower74524 жыл бұрын
Have to say my old Mondeo had a Torque converter and she was smooth as silk and pretty quick too.
@yoong19987 жыл бұрын
As you say that a DCT is a automatic operated manual box, is it actually we are encourage or drive more using the tiptronic or manual mode? As people also say that excessive usage of tiptronic or manual mode can cause problems to the box.
@FeralEngineer6 жыл бұрын
Using tiptronic causes no adverse effects. Burning the clutch by hanging uphill using an accelerator like with a regular slushbox does. In short - start it using accelerator like in a manual (gain at least 5 Mph before slamming the accelerator), drive it in traffic as if it was a manual (don't inch forward "half a foot forward - brake - repeat", don't crawl below 5 Mph for a long time). A special advice for driving dry-clutch DSG7 in traffic: switch it into "Sport" or "Tiptronic" to keep the gearbox from crawling in second gear at very low speeds. In D it switches to 2nd at 5 Mph and switches back to 1st only at full stop, in Sport it switches to 2nd at 11-12 Mph, in Tiptronic it auto-upshifts to the 2nd gear at rev limiter :-) . Slightly jerky 3-2-1 downshifts while coming to a stop in Sport are normal, it's caused by engine braking like in manual, while in Drive it starts "riding a clutch" for smoother deceleration.
@ldnoida0015 жыл бұрын
@learn2 farm Yes that could also be because once you get used to driving Automatics, driving a Manual is very difficult.
@nickbianchi5 жыл бұрын
I stopped when you stated that dual clutch might become obsolete :D Take your automatic gearbox to the Swiss mountains or elsewhere in the Alps and experience by yourself how terrible this type of transmission can be to drive!
@nielsbjrnum16402 жыл бұрын
Crossed the alps twice last summer in a Peugeot with the EAT8 automatic and it was definitely not terrible.
@bmuns64454 жыл бұрын
How long does a DSG last? I dumped my Acura after 2nd failing rebuilt trans. I have 2014 VW GLI. I don’t beat on it, don’t race it, very conservative. But do have Unitronic stage 1 engine and transmission tune. 170k miles.
@dwightbaldwin22213 жыл бұрын
Sorry if it's been addressed....but can you leave it on automatic 24-7 and not damage trans....I know I'd be losing fun factor but I care most about least amount of maintenance
@adoreslaurel6 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine being in a mile long queue when road works are being carried out, two lanes converging into one, now normally we try to be polite and allow ever second car to encroach on "our" lane,'cause we are in the "correct lane", but since you have a dual clutch trans and you are advised not to "creep' 'cause that aint good, riding the clutch to crawl forward, so what happens? you leave a big space so that you can move up without too much slippage, but guess what! every time you do it, somebody next door says gee thanks and fills "your spot" , no need to say that nobody in your lanes moves forward but everyone in the other lane slots in and everyone behind you has a desire to "kill you".
@RobBoothAutomotive6 жыл бұрын
john brown You should submit that to a short story competition - the narrative qualities were gripping!
@adoreslaurel6 жыл бұрын
Rob Booth Automotive, Err Thank you. i will bear that in mind.
@adoreslaurel4 жыл бұрын
@SuperDukka Ask Robb ??? I will avoid DCT's like the plague.
@nickhickson87385 жыл бұрын
Is this video implying that I would be unwise to change my current MK7 manual Golf 1.4TFSI for the 'Auto' version due to left knee problems now affecting clutch operation? If I did choose a direct replacement how would I use the DSG say on a long incline coming up to a T junction on a hill. Currently I creep forward then stop and put gearbox in neutral and Autohold holds indefinitely until such time as I release my clutch whereupon I get perfect hill start until the next hold up. Would one also use Autohold on the DSG car to hold the car stationary and then presumably pressing the throttle releases the brake an the car moves forward smoothly - or does it? OR does one sit there with the foot on the foot brake until such time that the traffic in front of me moves off?
@liamphillips29184 жыл бұрын
This may not directly answer your question, but people say not to creep with the DSG. This mostly refers to when you keep your foot on the brake and slowly release/ride. In my MK6 DSG GTI, I can let go of the brake, and move forward in traffic as needed. It's just the right speed. On a hill, it pretty much works like an automatic, and will generally not require you to immediately give some throttle. If you are worried about stalling, the DSG doesn't. If you are worried about rollback, I have only experienced rollback once or twice, and it wasn't anything scary. Very slight, if not unnoticeable to most people. Think of the DSG as an automated-manual, but remember that it has the perks of each respectively.
@cooljool14 жыл бұрын
@@liamphillips2918 i've experienced the rollback every time on any kind of uphill. I must say the regular 6 speed auto does better in this regards
@RigiLiquid9454 жыл бұрын
It's brilliant in the Kia Niro hybrid. In sport mode it's quick off the line.
@RobBoothAutomotive4 жыл бұрын
I've heard the South Korean ones are excellent, and also benefit from being a good few years newer with better software.
@sallylouise98263 жыл бұрын
That’s good to hear as I test drive a Kia Niro hybrid a month ago and I found I great in town and on a long straight road . I was wary as this is going to be my first auto as I’ve driven only manuals over the years.
@comedyman1126 жыл бұрын
What year were the "newer" torque converter gearboxes used in? Past 2010? Or are you talking past 2015?
@RobBoothAutomotive6 жыл бұрын
comedyman112 The ZF was the first of the “newer” torque converters, which came out with the F10 5 Series, Jag XF and LR Discovery 4 (circa 2010) I would imagine.
@PhilMacVee Жыл бұрын
Why is it not "automatic"? Please tell me.
@KREYO_ZA11 ай бұрын
The term “Automatic” generally when people think a car is automatic it is a torque converter transmission which works using hydraulic fluid and centrifugal forces to drive that fluid out into fins which then connect the gearbox to the fly wheel hence when you take your foot off the brake the car begins moving forward immediately and you can control this movement with brake pressure A DCT/DSG/PDK/Dual clutch is all the same just branded differently That essentially is two manual gearbox stuck together, one clutch for odd gears and one for even gears the clutches pressure is controlled based on brake pedal pressure and a host of other variables hence when you remove your foot off the brake there is a slight delay before the car starts moving as that is when the car know to release the clutch pedal and engage the gearbox. In traffic and in uphill situations the load is greater on the gearbox so this is why “creeping” is very bad for a DSG as you are essentially dragging your clutch as you would in a manual if you were to keep the clutch at its bite point and use the brake to keep the car moving or stationary
@panama-canada11 ай бұрын
It’s long overdue
@JB-NZ4 жыл бұрын
Would love to know your comments on a DSG, reversing, up a hill.... How do you find it. To me, its like a teenager learning to drive, slipping the clutch, over revving. I have a 09 Passat R36, and reversing up a hill is horrible, but apparently quite normal to be horrible. Have you experienced this, and are the later models of the DSG's similar? I guess its not that common for most people to ever need to reverse up a hill, so maybe most people would never have experienced it. Let me know!
@RobBoothAutomotive4 жыл бұрын
I have had the privilege of being in an R36 estate once before - what a car! Yes, this car really struggles with reversing at slow speeds, can very much feel the clutch slipping - it's quite excruciating.
@cooljool14 жыл бұрын
@@RobBoothAutomotive do you find it to also be the case when driving uphill. I have MK6 TSI DSG and I find driving it uphills at lower speeds really unappealing
@slightlyjaded80983 жыл бұрын
I have a mark 5 r32. use your handbrake, instead of your brake to balance your clutch.
@JB-NZ3 жыл бұрын
@@slightlyjaded8098 Handbrake is electronic in an R36, and no clutch - its a DSG Automatic.
@slightlyjaded80982 жыл бұрын
@@JB-NZ It has a clutch, you just don't get to play with it directly. The reason I prefer to use the hand brake instead of the normal brake is to remove the chance of inadvertently tripping the launch control.
@janlojko52283 жыл бұрын
I went from dsg to a zf8 gear box in a Bmw it was so slow compared to a dsg
@W0LV1E454 жыл бұрын
how reliable ? Do you need to replace the clutch once in a while like a manual? I have 2013 Veloster that I got last October and it has DCT. So far I love it, prefer it over automatic.
@keithharley97293 жыл бұрын
It's not so much the clutch or the gearbox. It's more the dual mass flywheel. They are not as strong as they should be. I've had 2 failures and it always toasts the clutch.
@shawng57997 жыл бұрын
I have the Ford Focus equivalent and it is very lumpy to drive low down. I catch it out on approaching a roundabouts all the time or I used to. When approaching a roundabout you are usually going down the gears but if there is a gap and you want to accelerate into it you catch it by surprise and it has to think for a second or two before going back up the gears. I now slap it across into sport at junctions and roundabouts just because it is smoother and quicker. Sometimes I can put it into reverse and it will be a good 5 seconds before It selects it. I have a diagnostic computer and it even comes up there as a fault on the reverse gear. :(
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
That's a nightmare regarding reverse, what year is your Focus? I agree with sport, I sometimes slap it across too so it holds the higher gear. I'd be very interested to see how a 2017 DSG behaves.
@shawng57997 жыл бұрын
It is a late 09 Titanium. Not had it long it feels like I am driving a very fast van. ;)
@CROUTONCHANNEL7 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2013 Focus SFE with a DCT and it takes some getting used to. I've drove manual transmission in a lot of different cars and the characteristics are similar I think. It's been fun to drive so far.
@LachlanKelly6 жыл бұрын
I have a 2014 Mondeo with the DCT and I always encounter that jolt when approaching roundabouts. I might start doing your trick of going into sport mode. But can you explain to me how it actually makes a difference? Thanks!
@colino726 жыл бұрын
The PowerShift (aka PowerShit) dry clutch is a dog. Not only performs poorly as you describe, but subject to significant reliability (total failure) issues from oil leaks onto the dry clutch. So much so that the regulator here in Australia has fined Ford $10M (max they can) and put in place an assessment process for full refunds. www.accc.gov.au/media-release/court-orders-ford-to-pay-10-million-penalty-for-unconscionable-conduct. There is also an ongoing class action, with not all consumers being eligible for the ACCC process. We have been offered a full refund at original purchase price. Trying for some more for the massive inconvenience, but that may not happen.
@skeelo695 жыл бұрын
I chose manual because i was taught to drive in a manual and whilst i am not knocking DSG for what it is, me personally i care about total car control not a computer doing it for me, compare it to an airline pilot flying the latest Fly By Wire airliner , he or she still needs to know the basics of flight
@oateater50445 жыл бұрын
Put it in manual mode, and it's shockingly similar to driving a stick. I kind of love mine after having rowed my own for the past 26 years.
@K-carbon5 жыл бұрын
I have a vw caddy 140bhp manual 6speed.wanting to replace it but the new caddy that's out is only available now in dsg and for that reason I'm keeping to my old van as dsg over all are more expensive to maintain and boy when they go wrong ££££££££££££¥¥
@TS-gg9dk7 жыл бұрын
This is helpful. 😊 What about low speed, i.e. parking situations? Jerky or smooth? Considering it maybe for a diesel Scirocco.
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
Smooth unless on gradients, e.g reversing uphill out of a parking bay is really tricky as the clutch is automatically engaging and disengaging so can be very difficult to modulate.
@TS-gg9dk7 жыл бұрын
Rob Booth Automotive Thanks for your reply. Do you know why it disengages going backwards and uphill? It seems strange to me.
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
It's technically riding the clutch, just in a fairly jerky way.
@TS-gg9dk7 жыл бұрын
Rob Booth Automotive: Thanks! It's 50-50 chance that I go for DSG, depends on the vehicle as a whole package.
@TS-gg9dk7 жыл бұрын
jldude84 Thanks for your input. I see some benefits and some risks. The car as a whole might decide when that day comes. My choices leave very limited number of cars to choose from, even if imported from Germany.
@angus8237 жыл бұрын
So if it’s not auto then why do the gear change without you changing them? That’s what automatic means
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
Haha it's semantics! "Automatic" typically refers to a torque-converter auto, whereas a DSG is an "automated manual". Cheers for watching.
@thweepz7 жыл бұрын
Cumbersome automatics have a torque converter and a planetary gear set system. Gears are not preselected in automatic. A dual clutch is a manual transmission that uses two clutches in order to engage even or odd gears and the shifts are lightening fast. Essentially “automatically” shifting a manual transmission
@paulstevens94094 жыл бұрын
I use the paddle controls in my TTS, drive mode is useless when you need it, it short shifts big time, about 35 mph and its in 6th! Sport mode hangs on to the gears too much for every day driving. But its brilliant to drive in manual mode, much prefer it over traditional manual gearbox, very easy and so rapid if you want it.
@caominh28744 жыл бұрын
i have a porsche 718 boxster from 2018 pdk ofc it can shift to 6th gear at 32mph lol and 7th gesr at 44mph saves fuel a lot i dont have any complaints about it short shifting like that tbh when i floor it in sport, it goes from 7th to 2 gear so quickly at 60mph.
@morgandrives3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 A3. My first Audi DSG. I still prefer an actual manual that I control, but I agree that it is really great in M mode. I have noticed if I shift down from 3-2, it struggles at a stop, but if I coast to a stop in 3rd it is fine. Is yours the same? I can get it to shift smoothly into 1st from 2nd with a gentle reduction of pressure on the brake pedal as it stops, but if not it shifts harshly, presumably having to quickly get from 3 to 1. Any thoughts or tips?
@paulstevens94093 жыл бұрын
@@morgandrives The only tip really is if you know you are comming to a stop just put it in neutral and take the gearbox out of the equation, saves all those unnecessary down shifts and wear and tear
@paulstevens94093 жыл бұрын
@@caominh2874 I dont know what size engine in that porche but in mine I find when it upshifts too soon it loses so much responsiveness, it will kick down if needed but thats a lot of drama just for a bit of extra response
@morgandrives3 жыл бұрын
@@paulstevens9409 Thanks for replying! I have not used neutral as I thought it would cause trouble if I had to put it back in gear while moving. But I see what you are saying - if I know I will be stopping I could do it. Thanks again. 👍
@natecaraway20004 жыл бұрын
Modern automatics definitely have come a long way my dad's Mk7 has a traditional automatic and it's as smooth and almost as quick as the DCT in my Mk5 Jetta
@RobBoothAutomotive4 жыл бұрын
100% - I'm looking at M240is and the ZF8 speed is fantastic. My dad's 2003 E class gearbox is so slow and lethargic in comparison
@DarinDziergas4 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the dsg s tronic in my 17 Audi A3. Not very smooth and first gear feels terrible. Dealership said everything seems normal. First gear will jump right before it shifts to 2nd
@shawnshan98174 жыл бұрын
how many gears does it have? 6 or 7?
@DarinDziergas4 жыл бұрын
@@shawnshan9817 6
@shawnshan98174 жыл бұрын
@@DarinDziergas Didnt you test drive it prior to your purchase?
@bobl787 жыл бұрын
biggest no go for me is that you still have a clutch that can quickly wear out...taking off on hills, lots of stop and go or pulling a trailer still quickly wears out the clutch... modern AT transmissions with torque converter work very well... forget about 0-60 or "slow" shifts... bullshit argument
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
I agree to a certain extent. As I say in my video, modern torque converters are a much better proposition in everyday situations. You must however appreciate that when DSGs were first launched, traditional automatics were pretty slow and inefficient. Arguably, the biggest benefit to come from DSGs is that they forced manufacturers to improve torque converter automatics - it pushed innovation which benefits us, the consumers. Cheers for watching!
@bobl787 жыл бұрын
I do a lot of stop and go traffic every day.. i would like to have comfortable and wear free transmission...so at the moment for example I can not buy a VW because they only offer DSG transmissions...changing a clutch and dual mass flywheel on a modern car costs a fortune.. changing ist on a DSG transmission costs 2 fortunes
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
Fair enough! Would be interesting to see how long DSGs will be around for.
@MrLilc3376 жыл бұрын
@@bobl78 it depends on manufacturer some autos suck ass but everyone doing dual clutch for mpgs i guess so they claim
@RFW197911 ай бұрын
My DSG in vw golf petrol TSi is shite, I prefer my old CT200h personally.
@fortitudevalance84244 жыл бұрын
I am thinking of getting an Octavia TDi VRS 4x4 with the the 7spd DSG. I only tested an A3 prior 10 years previously with the 2ltr TDi and I found it very sluggish but the Oct should be much faster and more improved.
@hedydd24 жыл бұрын
Of course it’s an automatic. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck. This thing shifts automatically, so it is an automatic. The thing I’ve got against DSG’s is the number of wearing parts. They have all the many parts of a synchromesh manual, such as hubs, selectors plus the mechatronics the guess what the next ratio is going to be and shifts the synchro on the idle shaft, often several times more than a driver would and in the background so the driver doesn’t even know that it’s doing it. Then there’s the clutch. Forget the dry clutch type, because it is over complicated, prone to abuse and heating excessively.
@cloroxbleach-hp2xq7 жыл бұрын
cool
@alexrios17377 жыл бұрын
Is the Nissan GT-R a Dual clutch also ?
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
Yes, with 6 speeds.
@alidemi88214 жыл бұрын
@@RobBoothAutomotivevw golf 5 2007 automatic gearbox 2.0 tdi.what is the best 6 speed or 7 speed?thnx
@fortitudevalance84244 жыл бұрын
And just to add, I drive in a “spirited” manner 😉
@leetshots3 жыл бұрын
engine braking does not increase fuel consumption.
@clearskies15234 жыл бұрын
"Automated manual", because it has clutches? :). If it can shift gears without driver intervention, then it's automatic. With or without torque converter or clutch. "They" are not saying anything wrong, you're just splitting hairs. Also, I would've liked to hear your opinion on reliability and maintenance cost and intervals.
@shawnshan98174 жыл бұрын
hard to explain to a tool such as yourself
@clearskies15234 жыл бұрын
@@shawnshan9817 Insightful opinion, thanks.
@paulstevens94094 жыл бұрын
That has got to be the most awful peace of music I've ever heard at the beginning. Please don't do that again lol
@johnbower74524 жыл бұрын
Don't know, it's a toss up between that and Heavy Metal for the worst. Though Rap is pretty awful too, oh wait, you said music. In that case yes; without a doubt the piece at the beginning of this.
@tonial57894 жыл бұрын
there are no pro with dual clutch. theres only cons that is why they getting rid of them now
@ldnoida0015 жыл бұрын
This fellow is driving the car and rattling out mumbo jumbo. When did a DCT become Automated Manual Transmission. The former is highly sophisticated whereas an AMT is fairly crude in technology.
@RobBoothAutomotive5 жыл бұрын
I agree, I'd take the video down but the ad revenue pays for my afterwork pints. Thanks for watching (and for the adsense).
@lucavangorkom94534 жыл бұрын
@@RobBoothAutomotive It actually is an automated manual in bare terms. The "automated Manual" that we normally talk about is literally a normal manual with automation, and it generally comes out pretty crappy. But this is a gearbox that has manual technology that is automated, so it is also an automated manual. Just not in the sense we normally call use it.
@alanaustin1283 жыл бұрын
Interesting but why do we have to listen to all that background noise. would have been a better presentation to give the talk and only .add the car bits when required. Not a well thought out presentation.
@neeleshrambally24546 жыл бұрын
Mk-6 not Mk-sex. lol
@RobBoothAutomotive6 жыл бұрын
Neelesh Rambally Where did you hear that?
@thedude47956 жыл бұрын
@@RobBoothAutomotive you did say mark sex lol dont have to be a shy englishman were just havin a laugh hahahah 0:33
@valbeaumont84027 жыл бұрын
"Quite geeky" eh. A dual-clutch transmission IS an AUTOMATIC transmission that uses solenoid actuators instead of torque converters. What a FAKER!!
@RobBoothAutomotive7 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@stephenrichards53866 жыл бұрын
No it uses clutch plates instead of a fluid flywheel torque converter. Don't insult people with your stupidity. It is a computer controlled manual gearbox.
@R3lay06 жыл бұрын
stephen richards And what is the computer doing? Correct! It's automating.
@stephenrichards53866 жыл бұрын
It takes the role of the gear stick away from the driver and does with solenoids operating the manual gear select rods. Not the same as an automatic gearbox which takes all control from the driver. So no gear changing rods, no paddle controllers
@R3lay06 жыл бұрын
stephen richards Only because it uses the same transmission as a manual doesn't mean it is manual. manual: (of a device) operated or controlled by hand, rather than automatically or electronically.