U-DRAGS RACE: Honda Civic Type R vs. Hyundai Elantra N | Quarter Mile, Handling & More

[@edmundscars]

We know that both of these rank as Carolina Reapers on the Scoville scale of hot hatches, but which would you rather have in your driveway? Let us know in the comments! - Update: For those inquiring in the comments, we did use Octane Learning for the Elantra N in this match-up. Thank you for your feedback! -

[@asiangrafx]

The car with the timeless design and will age better. Hyundais are styled so ugly I don’t know who they are targeting.

[@nicholase.9195]

Golf R oh sorry…Elantra.

[@jihooncha-vs4om]

@@asiangrafx Recently, Toyota Motor Group and Honda Motor Company were caught deceiving consumers by manipulating quality tests for the past 35 years. What is Toyota's punishment? Can we trust the Japanese and Honda Motor Company to deceive consumers?

[@jstein77]

I'll keep my 350 hp Focus RS, thanks.

[@STORM3SHADOW]

Own an FL5, so you know my answer!

[@jp23x]

Props to Hyundai for building something that can compete and not charging 50k for it.

[@The_Notorious_CRG]

to be fair the price charged is a sign of how much that particular item is valued.

[@jp23x]

@@The_Notorious_CRG you can't convince me that Honda didn't jack up the price on this ctr because they saw people paying insane markups for them.

[@The_Notorious_CRG]

@@jp23x hmmm. For one thing I tried no such thing

[@The_Notorious_CRG]

@@jp23x kinda how capitalism works, ya know?

[@DroneStrike1776]

@@The_Notorious_CRGExactly, don't like capitalism, then head on to Cuba or Venezuela, heard they're doing fantastic these days. It's always a supply and demand since man traded goods.

[@KevinRedkey]

The Type R costs 30% more, which is pretty significant in this segment.

[@ItsAlive111]

Not to mention the Honda dealer markups. They even try to mark up the SI with barely 200 hp on a good day when the Prius has more 😅

[@FishingThePNW]

@@ItsAlive111 Yeap! Even on the brand new face lift model of the Elantra N, Hyundai dealers aren't adding a huge mark up. In Washington state, Honda dealers want anywhere from 5-10k mark up on the SI. THE FREAKING SI! The Civic Type R and the Integra Type S are well over $60k out the door. Absurd.

[@brokentradgedy]

No shit the Hyundai is 30% cheaper who is gunna wanna be driving in a Hyundai. You never see anyone in one at car meets

[@Veexd13]

@@brokentradgedysays the guy in the si! Nobody wants an si lmao plus that stock n will destroy a fbo si 😂

[@jugo5139]

Also from what I understand a modded tuned FBO N can beat a Type R FBO tuned just about every time. If the EN had a higher rev range and could stay in boost a little longer it would be most likely be no contest.

[@AbyssArcher]

It would be really interesting to see how the Elantra N with the DCT fares against the manual Type R. I wonder if the N Grin Shift overboost and faster shifts would help make it a closer race in the U drag.

[@mayormsuthu1465]

I guess it would be faster

[@CPMUNSEY]

I bet it would win this race honestly based on how close it was.

[@Jackson-son]

Definitely N will win and i have seen it won vs type R on another channel (Car experts)

[@TrueDesire존]

this Type R is lacking 15 hp (compared to EU-spec).

[@toddstevens8506]

Yeah, the usual drag race issue, not enough information. And btw, am I the only one who thinks that launch control is pointless on a manual transmission car?

[@BhutJolokias]

For the price of the Type-R you can get an Elantra N and a motorcycle.

[@TheBreakfastLover]

The Type R will retain its value and possibly appreciate, while the Elantra N depreciates like a beanie baby at a Will Smith concert.

[@Youcallthesebagels_]

Who wants an ugly Hyundai with an unreliable engine and horrible resale? 😂

[@sfisosg7904]

or Elantra N, tune and better wider tyres

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

@@TheBreakfastLoverappreciate? You’ll have to spend another $25k with dealer markup.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

@@Youcallthesebagels_Unreliable engine? Show me the data on the Elantra N engine. Japanese cars are no longer as reliable as they used to be in the 90’s. Honda just had a huge recall of its V6 engine for catastrophic failure. To me Type R is bland looking. You’d be spending $65-70k a Type R with mandatory dealer markup. Who cares about resale when you’re paying that much for a souped up econo car?

[@CPMUNSEY]

You can’t go wrong with either of these cars. They’re both phenomenal drivers cars.

[@19hundoc47]

It’s true, I’ve owned both, love them both

[@ObadiahIsurfate-ze7zq]

Yes you can

[@ryryy1980]

Not true. But how contrarion of you!

[@brandonpittman5243]

Hyundai will not last

[@luisserrano2921]

I pay the extra money for the Honda in ten years the Honda will be running and it will be worth twice as much as the N

[@Theredeemedchild2]

Since the civic has such a power advantage it would've been nice for the Hyundai to have the dct.

[@allmotorfg2437]

The cup 2 tires on the type r are way better than the 4s on the elantra too

[@vroomgc]

@@allmotorfg2437 Agreed its not really a fair race for both reasons so I was hoping they used a DCT instead

[@alittlesong]

I've driven both and the Elantra N is a really fun car to drive ...both are , but I would buy the Elantra N just for the price difference

[@thedailydobs6188]

Lol and if u put half the money u saved into upgrades it would smoke that civic funny they only put 14.0 and 14.2 after the Hyundai there are 2 other numbers after with ny stock 2023 camry trd I turned a 13.911 at 100.67mph with a reaction time of 0.011. So was the civic really 14.0 or was it 14.099 my car is completely stock all I did was take out the spare tire and the tools probably 40 to 50 pounds lighter I weigh 210 if I put a girl in there that weighs 90 pounds that's another 120 pounds lighter lol

[@93455Driver]

The Elantra N is such a bargain, if only we had had the hatch version here in the US.

[@MrAchilles113]

agreed. Love the practicality of a hatch!

[@Diddy_Do_It2037]

@@MrAchilles113 I guarantee you it would’ve been closer if the ELANTRA was also on Cup 2’s. That makes a huge difference.

[@MisterMister5893]

The Sedan N treatment is such a bad business decision. It looks like a pig with lipstick. At least with the Veloster N there was some effort to make a complete sports car/couppe.

[@Paul_salvo]

Isn’t the hatchback version the veloster N unless you mean, like the I30N? Which is the world wide vehicle (except the us) I believe correct me if I’m wrong guys

[@thedragon6499]

​@@MisterMister5893it was discontinued due to poor sales. Can't call it a more complete car.

[@TheRealBobWillkins]

No one ever races the DCT model of the EN. It’s so much faster than the MT

[@vjd222]

They have raced the DCT in this exact test. It was a second slower than the manual

[@DM72513]

@@vjd222That has to come down to driver error. It’s objectively faster to 60 and in the 1/4 mile.

[@vjd222]

@@DM72513 they have 2 drivers and multiple runs and post their best times. The DCT has a few miliseconds on the manual in a straight line, but the manual also has slightly better roadholding numbers on the skidpad as well as braking performance

[@tharinduperera8758]

@@DM72513if it’s a dct. Nothing to do with the driver.

[@popsandbangs8858]

@@vjd222lol Elantra N Manuel can do 13.6s 1/4 mile Dct is 12.9s

[@godzilla7391]

Wonder how the DCT would fair, with the NGS ? I have the 23 DCT. Love it. Type R is a legend , so it's still good that it's at least competing

[@paulkitchen5802]

He got a great launch, but DCT is quicker with launch control. I have Kona N with over 300HP and Tq and the front wheels spin all the way to third gear. Wish it was awd like my EV6GT but I guess I will get the Ioniq 5N but still keep the Kona because I still need some real crackles and pops!

[@Ezero8]

Even without using NGS, I have no doubt it would beat the Type R in a drag race.

[@clutchthepearls3062]

I'd rather have the Type R outright. But realistically I'd rather have the Elantra N and $10k+ in the bank.

[@billshoe22191]

Given how crazy priced the CTR is especially from Stealerships the Elantra N is crazy impressive. Cup 2 tires do really help a lot. Love that the Elantra N is actually affordable. Great race guys!

[@ctk4949]

Is $10K "a little bit more"?!?! LOL

[@faisalnazar7470]

10k more for more fun car

[@ctk4949]

@@faisalnazar7470 Hmm if you are only tracking it, maybe. But that ride as a daily driver?? OUCH!!

[@Symphoniics]

@@faisalnazar7470Type R is NOT more fun 😂

[@Nick-qx1vf]

@@Symphoniics it's more fun AND faster literally everywhere

[@Symphoniics]

@@Nick-qx1vf 1. The EN is 95% of the Type R’s performance. The EN lacks the Type R’s refinement, but that lack of refinement translates to the EN feeling more rowdy and untamed. Pair that with the WAY more fun engine and exhaust noises the N makes, the fiery animations on its digital gauge cluster, and an extra boost button (NGS) on the DCT EN, and you get noticeably more fun out of the EN. 2. There was no indication of whether the EN in this video was octane learned. Octane learning gives it an extra 30 hp, enough to tighten the gap. Plus, the DCT EN is significantly faster than the 6MT EN, so there’s a good chance the DCT EN would beat the Type R. Save your “but it’s an automatic so that’s unfair” BS for someone else because I don’t care about that charade. Go look up the Car and Driver stats. The DCT EN has a faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the Type R.

[@MRmotorworkz]

Good race! Wishing it was a little more equal, the type R had too many advantages for me in this race with it's price, power and tires 😢. I wish the elantra got the DCT to be a little closer in the price category at least.

[@BowenKayanoBottorff]

Fun fact: Korean car manufacturers list their horsepower ratings as wheel horse power, not brake horse power. That Elentra is probably 320hp+ at the crank

[@VivekonYT]

Would've loved to see the results with the cars wearing same tires. (I own a 23' CTR)

[@P51]

this was more about power than tires, tires would definitely play a huge role on a road course/race circuit.

[@ihateshysters]

Savagegeese made a video with them wearing the same tires along with the Golf R, STI S209, and a GR Corolla.

[@Diddy_Do_It2037]

Hard to admit you’re Ghey. Proud of you

[@DroneStrike1776]

No, that's not how these test works. It's whatever options comes with the car. You can't put Cup2 Rs on a car that doesn't have an option for it, it'll defeat the purpose of testing factory spec'd cars.

[@jaredscott4829]

@@P51 The N lost a boat load of time through the turn. It lost on both power and grip.

[@BWTECH0521]

At $10k difference and no dealer markup for EN, I think I'd take the EN. $50k for a civic is crazy

[@ii_dynasty]

I would take the civic as the performance stacks up against more expensive cars, unlike the en.

[@i.d.6492]

@@ii_dynasty not really. You can tune and upgrade things for EN and it'll still be less than what the type R otd price. With dp intake and meth alone en makes 400whp.

[@Sixty2OneThirty]

30k+ for Hyundai ANYTHING is crazy lol

[@neemanon]

@@Sixty2OneThirtyliving in 2010 still.

[@ii_dynasty]

@i.d.6492 The type r stock is only a second behind the c63 s coupe and is only 5 seconds slower than an m3 comp xdrive. You're simply just wrong on that. Also, the type r is making 430whp on 93 with a pure upgrade, and that only costs 1,5k.

[@J.W.W.]

Always hilarious (and sad) to see the type R drivers pogoing in the driver seat on almost every video.

[@SonikDethmonkey]

It’s all about that Individual mode. I don’t understand why they don’t use it.

[@atmartens]

What I think is funny is people not knowing there’s an Integra Type S you can get that’s a softer ride.

[@kingvega666]

“Better suspension” 🤣🤣

[@christopherramirez6086]

He said he put it in full R mode. So the suspension is as stiff as it can be.

[@Siopao_fl5]

I have a CTR but I would probably enjoy the elantra N as much if not more. Coz it sounds better!

[@luisserrano2921]

Wow it’s sad world we live in just because car has better exhaust doesn’t mean the car is better. Seem like that one the selling point for the N cars that gets people to buy them oh it has a nice exhaust system. What good exhaust when the car gonna be worthless in ten years

[@Austin_DRVN]

⁠@@luisserrano2921The N cars handle really good. Go and test drive one it’ll put a smile on your face! Fantastic car for the value.

[@KC-lg8qf]

​@@luisserrano2921sound plays a large role in how fun a car is to drive ...

[@slimxshady6111]

⁠@@luisserrano2921what a sad world we live in when people only like their car for the resale value in ten years….

[@the_wor_st]

Why are you not using individual mode on the Type R? Set suspension to comfort or even Sport, and the engine to R+. So much more compliant.

[@freshnugget2099]

Elantra is almost worth it on exhaust note ALONE. That Honda sounds like straight up hot garbage

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Elantra was tuned to have a fun driving charcteristic while the type r is dull and numb

[@vjd222]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZ- said no professional that's ever compared the two lmfao

[@BlueFL5]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZDull and numb? Have you driven one? It’s a track beast. There’s literally videos of people kicking the back end out on the track.

[@HOTPLATEGAMING]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZ You never driven an FL5, so how would you know? 😂

[@VaunShiz]

​@@boygonewhoopdataZZThat's why the Type R hold their value and Hyundai has to give those Elantra away

[@InvestBetter.]

Hyundai Elantra N One of the 10 best deals in the automotive industry May be the best, at under $35k, very well equipped

[@shonyfreshayzzz]

Id like to point out this is a very well made video

[@supremewhip]

“So close!” … pulls three bus lengths ahead.

[@GODiscomingsoonagain]

3 buslenght gap so close this guys are a joke

[@19hundoc47]

Maybe short bus lengths, just like what you rode to school on!

[@Sixty2OneThirty]

Type R pulls a Boeing 737 length.. “so close!”

[@RSLyle]

It would have been nice to see the 24' Elantra N instead of the 23' with all the changes they made.

[@opadilla123]

Whats changes the facia and rear bumper😂 a bushings

[@VaunShiz]

Lmao y'all are so funny

[@Carlos.Rivera]

​@@opadilla123Transmission and "overboost" feature.

[@BassLegendYT]

@@Carlos.Riveraits the same dude. Nothing new except what he said. I have a N and drove my friends 24N

[@punemax]

They didn’t change anything significant for the 24.

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

If I had to choose I’d take the CTR but the N is a beast in its own right, with better tires and dct it might’ve been the better car but I think the CTR looks better.

[@Ivan-b5c3k]

Why would u want a dct? When there's manual available who cares if it's faster ur not driving it basically well I guess u can text ur bfs while driving ur dct lol

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

@@Ivan-b5c3k “who cares if it’s faster” seriously? A LOT of us care if it’s faster… winning is the entire point. Have fun rowing your gears with your bfs I’ll wave to you in my rear view mirror 😂 🤣

[@chrisdoucet3885]

No real pops from the exhaust when you revved it. Makes me think it wasn’t octane Learned. Makes a big difference.

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

Or could just not have been in the right setting

[@laural7449]

, that, their times are off,l i race against an N a lot at the track and it is 100% stock, it is the DCT version but his is much louder and punchier than the N in this video. The type R should win it costs nearly 50k, the fact you can nearly match it with the 34k N is all that needs to be said, for 1500-2500 and that N destroys the type R

[@AcuraChannel]

V-Tec top end was too much for the N. 💪🏿😎, But the N launch was good off the line.

[@DJRoyalEdo]

I have heard it’s not quite the same Vtec as we know. They changed it

[@Jmarzx]

Exhaust V tec not cams v tec anymore so v tech hits it allows more exhaust sound nd like the 8th gen si’s V tec

[@jmmch3358]

I don't think that the Civic Type R worth an additional $10K on top of the E N, for that money I would get instead a used 6th gen Camaro SS that would perform much better.

[@Marbind]

Is worth it. Just look at the front brake setup of both cars. That will give you an idea on how the CTR is built vs the EN. The EN is made with the bare minimum of parts to have fun. People that can afford it will not sweat it.

[@douglaskrueger357]

@@Marbind 100%

[@douglaskrueger357]

Camaro isn't a hot hatch ... apples and oranges

[@JCizzleSoCal]

Nobody that’s seriously in the market for a CTR is considering a Camaro! 😂😂😂

[@HarryTwatter]

Camaro is so good GM decided to kill it. Again. Lol

[@jman600lt]

Good race, Type R Powaah!

[@bornagainmotoring]

Both amazing in their own right. Between the two, I admire the Type R because the legacy of glory JDM days watching Best Motoring and seeing how it would pack a punch against competitors.

[@jmmch3358]

The Elantra N its an amazing sport car for the money, probably with the DCT and the additional HP from the red button would have done a much better job.

[@lmc333]

Thanks, this is the realistic test we all wanted and needed.

[@grocerygrip]

Elantra N is 99% of the CTR ,and likely not experiencing over heating issues on tracks as well

[@HarryTwatter]

2 buses is 99%?

[@19hundoc47]

@@HarryTwatterI’ve owned both, you don’t even notice the power difference on the streets, they feel basically the same, and it’s not worth 15-20k more after markups. It’s just not.

[@SonikDethmonkey]

@@19hundoc47to each their own I guess. I drove both and wound up with the FL5. To me it was very apparent where the extra money went. Not to mention the ability run 265 rubber from the factory is nearly priceless itself. lol

[@19hundoc47]

@@SonikDethmonkey Is the Type R better? Ya. Is it 10-20k better, nah

[@SonikDethmonkey]

@@19hundoc47 my point is that it depends on your priorities. If you look at just the numbers and performance data, then no, definitely not. But if you look beneath the surface at the actual hardware and how it FEELS, for me it very much was worth it. Also for tracking thanks to the ability to run wider tires the headroom for ultimate mechanical grip is far higher on the FL5.

[@boostedn]

They should disclose if it's octane learned or not. An octane learned EN dynos with 40 more whp.

[@ALMX5DP]

What is octane learned?

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

​@ALMX5DP when you fill up an EN is defaults to 15PSI and assumes you may have put 87 octane in. There's a procedure for the PCM to learn that it has premium fuel in and raises the boost to 19PSI.

[@jonasl1178]

​@ALMX5DP Basically the ecu has to learn what fuel type you're using every tank fill-up, so if you follow the process in the owners manual it'll "learn" and unlock full boost pressure

[@ALMX5DP]

@@MeltingRubberZ28 thank you, after seeing a few comments I had to look it up and saw a reference to an Owners Manual instruction. Seems like all it takes is 5 minutes to relearn. Since they are on an airfield and likely filled up at a regular gas station some miles away I suspect there is no reason to believe it wasnt learned to the 91 they likely put in it as that is the recommended fuel.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@ALMX5DP eh. I know a few owners that have the EN and the octane learning procedure is finicky. Every one of them just ended up tuning the cars since you get like 23 or more PSI all the time instead of sometimes getting 19. I honestly doubt that EN was learned.

[@halow4]

This race made sense it was strictly the Civic having about 40 more hp and extra torque even though both cars weigh the same. It's also a better at carving corners probably since it's smaller. But the Elantra did well for what it is, it's a good Civic type R competitor.

[@Marbind]

Where is the people that claimed that an octane learned EN gains 30hp now? 😂

[@SuperAlphazero]

I’d like to see the type r vs the automatic Elantra n

[@Ivan-b5c3k]

Why you don't know how to drive a manual ? Lil gay

[@LazySarcasm]

It was nice to watch two MT cars race. While racing automatics makes the results more consistent and accurate as to which car is better, racing manual cars is more interesting to watch because you can also pay attention to the drivers' skill. More manual races please!

[@alltheboost801]

Racing a manual vs a manual is a proper test! Thank you for not using DCT. I’m sure the DCT could beat the CTR.

[@Marbind]

Why it is so hard to understand this? 👏👏👏👏

[@alltheboost801]

@@Marbind not sure. Haha. Where they missed the mark was tires. They should have ran the same tires on both and that’s as close to a comparison that you could get. They need Michelin, Bridgestone or Continental as a tire sponsor.

[@Theredeemedchild2]

That's true if the power is close. They're pretty far apart so seeing the dct here wouldn't helped close the gap.

[@alltheboost801]

@@Theredeemedchild2 true. I just get annoyed when I see a DSG Golf R vs a Manual CTR. The R easily wins. But manual to manual the CTR wins.

[@danstewart3894]

In all my car content, KZbin channels, I follow this race is the most entertaining.

[@crespo72285]

The type R is better not just because of higher horsepower, is the electronic and suspension too. The type R have better interior and quality. Hyundai is a gift to people who can't afford or can't purchase a type R.

[@CRVgarage]

Ok go enjoy the shit stiff ride.

[@Marbind]

@@CRVgarage Individual mode and set the suspension to the softest setting. Problem solved.

[@operationgetthugs232]

And Type R for those who can't afford Porsche.

[@LordHeisinger]

The Elantra N was made for the DCT. It would have gave up a better fight and got the win. Those 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers you posted are slower than the DCT numbers. The DCT can do 4.8 seconds in the 0-60 and 13.4 in the 1/4 mile. I would rather have the Elantra N in my drive way. It punches up, it looks good, and it is much cheaper.

[@MrAtvfan]

They should’ve put the type R up against an ELANTRA N DCT with octane learner and it would’ve been a much closer race.

[@Marbind]

Man vs computer. We all now what will be the outcome.

[@WhatisaLee]

Someone looking for a CTR is most likely looking for a manual car. I’m not sure an EN DCT would be cross-shopped against a CTR.

[@douglaskrueger357]

@@WhatisaLee Exactly!

[@BDA0531]

Why would u race a manual vs a DCT? You get absolutely no credit for winning in a DCT when racing a manual lol

[@douglaskrueger357]

@@BDA0531 100%

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

I'd love to see a DCT vs the R. Id assume the DCT takes it from the other videos I watched but it would be interesting to see

[@BeansGummy]

Type R is the Porsche of the FWD world

[@dspautocrosser]

I have liked what Hyundai has been doing with the N line. They have really stepped up and filled a hole that other manufactures abandoned. Personally, I'd own the Elantra - but I like scrappy underdogs as a rule.

[@thedevilsadvocate3710]

Elantra N, you can buy at MSRP. Good luck finding a Type R without 20k in markups.

[@19hundoc47]

Exactly. Not worth 15-20k more

[@Sixty2OneThirty]

@@19hundoc47you mean $20k-$30k more with markup on the Type R

[@CARS_AT_100]

Better race if Elantra N would have DCT with Boost, best from type r to best from elantra n would be fair 👍

[@usonumabeach300]

Want to see the dct elantra...

[@vjd222]

They did the DCT. It was slower in the U Drag than the manual

[@LogoYt-gx9uf]

@@vjd222that doesn’t make sense bc DCT when octane learned makes 278whp and 315 crank hp and has a faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile time than the type R and Elantra N manual.

[@파워에이드-p1q]

@@LogoYt-gx9uf elantra is always more slow than type R. DCT , too

[@LogoYt-gx9uf]

@@파워에이드-p1q if you look it up the Elantra N DCT is faster in every category. 0-60, 1/4 mile time, 60-130 all faster than the type r

[@checkmate9111]

Should have used the DCT - much faster !!

[@StrongerThanEver84]

The extra money you pay for the Type R is for the reliability, quality and resale value. They hold their value INSANELY well. Oh and the heritage behind the Type R name. I would also argue for the fact its not ugly unlike the N

[@tommackay6475]

Love U Drags, tell your bosses we need them weekly. Also tell them you need to have a fan appreciation event and give some fans guest driver duties. And since it was my idea (you can take the credit though) I should be selected. I'll sign whatever waiver you require. Just tell me when and where

[@Sandezras]

Elantra N is what i want out of college

[@JayJay-he9bk]

Get a lambo bro

[@VNCTHE1]

Bro it's a hyundai, get a model 3 it's so much better than this korean junk

[@van_der_lindeDA]

Great ambition😅

[@C_Santiago7]

It's a fun, solid car for sure. Don't listen to the other fool in the comments about the Tesla lol. Faster? Probably. More fun? Sound as good? Look as good? Nah, not a chance. Plus, you can fill the tank up in 3 minutes lol.

[@VNCTHE1]

@C_Santiago7 Fool? So a 4cyl turbo sounds good? Fwd is more fun than rwd biased awd? Looks? Are you fkn high? This is a butt ugly hyundai like any hyundai ever created 🤢🤮 Fill up in 3 minutes? And pay $70? What a joke. The Tesla has twice the efficiency of a prius, 4x the efficiency of this hyundai thing...while taking lambos off the lights. 🙄

[@carsbykev7037]

If you are considering a Track Car: My FL5 is a beast. I had a good budget, but it seems to be a great choice on track! I’m happy.

[@CodieAddair]

People don’t understand that it’s not just $10,000 more. It’s $10,000 worth of sales tax, loan fee, interest rate, etc. I love both cars. We’re not even talking about the RIDICULOUS markup that dealerships get away w/ on the CTR. They are really the pinnacle of FWD tech and performance. The CTR is objectively better but it’s not $10,000+ better. Sorry.

[@Marbind]

That depends on how you value things and what you want. If you are fine with the EN then go for it. If you want the best of the best FWD Then get ready to pay for the CTR The money difference is mostly in the materials and parts used by Honda. For example the front brake setup. Hyundai uses regular calipers and rotors Honda went with a Brembo BBK with 2 piece rotors Chassis is made stronger without the need of braces like the EN uses in the trunk. And so on.

[@CodieAddair]

@@Marbind Chassis rigidity in the EN is plenty fine. That part is not objectively better. Hyundai reinforced a lot of the body including the rear brace in the trunk. It wasn’t limited to just the trunk brace. The active exhaust does not sound as good. The powertrain warranty is not as good. The customization is arguably better. The CTR lost to the EN in C&D’s 0-150-0 test. The DCT variant beats it to 60 (C&D). Brakes are superior in the CTR by 5-10 feet stops from 60. Again, the car is $10-$15,000 more. I’ll say the shifter feel in the CTR is better too. Honda makes the best, most mechanical shifters in the game. Love the Honda, but compared directly to the EN, for me, it’s not worth $10-$15,000 more. The Honda is overpriced. I wouldn’t be as critical of the CTR if it had maybe a $40,000 price tag because some materials and some performance numbers are consistently better, albeit negligible and minuscule in daily life. Honda might have the pedigree, but it’s overpriced and not impressive AT ALL compared directly to the Elantra N. I’ve seen $70k markups online for the Type-R. Offensive. Still grateful that we have fun to drive ICE manual cars like these in 2024 for enthusiasts. In the years to come, I’m not sure that we will.

[@Marbind]

@@CodieAddair again, isn’t overpriced is priced accordingly to the materials it uses. Those are the little things that the EN needs to perform better.

[@hyphydan]

Hyundai buyers have lousy credit and can't get approval from Honda financial anyway 😂

[@CodieAddair]

@@hyphydan Let’s not glorify car loans. JFC. That’s not a flex. 🤣 Finance 101.

[@danimal0223]

Probably the best launch on an Elantra N that i've ever seen on the internet.

[@jakekorzen4973]

I love my veloster n. Tune and a downpipe and the ctr is neck and neck in a race. Try try the DCT!!!

[@van_der_lindeDA]

Hondata against your Veloster and your going to be getting more busses....

[@davothegreat9990]

​@@van_der_lindeDAfwd, no way. Traction loss

[@van_der_lindeDA]

@davothegreat9990 it's called boost by gear, it's not putting all boost in 1st and 2nd

[@davothegreat9990]

@van_der_lindeDA that's why fl5 are so slow off the line.

[@davothegreat9990]

@van_der_lindeDA elantra n dct n75, dp and meth destroys any stock turbo fl5. Been shown again and again.

[@STORM3SHADOW]

Go FL5!!!! I know those Elantra N's are quick with the DCT. If they pitted the DCT vs the FL5, I think it would've been a different story. But the Type R is just a far superior car in almost every aspect.

[@19hundoc47]

Not by much, I’ve owned both and they are extremely similar and the EN is probably more fun. After dealer markups, the EN is 20k less brand new. The R isn’t worth that much more money

[@boogiedownkid5465]

The R is superior in almost every aspect, but definitely not far superior. Just about every legit reviewer says that the N is around 95% as good as the R.

[@drunkinmaster1]

Type R has a 265 front tire? Thats crazy!

[@SonikDethmonkey]

One of the main reasons why I got the FL5 over the EN is the mechanical grip capability of the FL5. I spent so much time trying to fit more rubber under my last hot hatch (Fiesta ST) it is SO reassuring to be able to handle 265 or 275 without mods.

[@i.d.6492]

@@SonikDethmonkey you can easily fit wider tire on Elantra N, it has been done even on Veloster N. The EN is better. You can use that $10-20K difference and build EN like NDRIVERKG did. He's killing all the modded type RS now

[@SonikDethmonkey]

@@i.d.6492 sure, but if we’re going down that path I could just cram even wider rubber into the FL5, no? There’s no point in comparing a modded car to a stock car. And TBH at the end of the day I just didn’t like the exterior styling or cheap feel of the interior of the EN.

[@georgev5766]

Driven both, 2022 Elantra N and 2023 CTR. I’d take the Civic Type R. It’s not about times to me. It’s about how the car feels. Honda knows what they doing with these things. Hyundai felt a bit unrefined and cheap inside. The analogy I give is like early Android vs Apple product.

[@van_der_lindeDA]

Well said

[@19hundoc47]

Thats all personal preference. I’ve owned both cars and I find the EN more fun than the R. R certainly isn’t worth 15k more

[@SonikDethmonkey]

Bingo, exactly my experience as well. The EN achieves some good numbers the same way any modified hot hatch can, but the FL5 very clearly felt like the better engineered car.

[@van_der_lindeDA]

@19hundoc47 when you had your FL5 did you also get annoyed by the vibrate in steering wheel when it hit the rpm red line? They all do it

[@19hundoc47]

@@van_der_lindeDA I didn’t notice that, I don’t think mine did that

[@DeliBurke150]

Have to pay for quality that’s all there is to it. The type R is an Icon.

[@jstein77]

I autocross my Focus RS against an Elantra N with a DCT, and it keeps up with me despite the power deficit. It would be interesting to repeat this race with an Elantra N equipped with the DCT.

[@bbokdoong]

Fair result considering the price difference. Elantra N with DCT could be a better choice for a comparison like this.

[@HarmanMotorWorks]

Would love to know if the Elantra N was octane learnt

[@oliver5403]

Very true. I bet it wasn't. Either way I think the DCT would probably have beat the Civic.

[@van_der_lindeDA]

Omg the octane learning story😂

[@HOTPLATEGAMING]

oCtaNe LearNt 😂

[@davothegreat9990]

Octane learning is auto only.

[@HarmanMotorWorks]

@@davothegreat9990 That is incorrect; I have the manual and it has octane learning.

[@mpa1931]

The price of the Type R is more but it will hold its value. Hyundais depreciate like hell

[@GERONIMO326]

The CTR is in a different league. If it had an available DCT, it would be unbelievably fast. More expensive than the Hyundai, but justifies it's price, by being better in every category. Not even close. Lap times say the same.

[@19hundoc47]

I’ve owned both, the R feels very slightly quicker in a straight line and that’s about it. It’s not in a different league. The EN is more fun with the exhaust and handling that’s just as good. Not worth 20k more after dealer markups on the R

[@ii_dynasty]

Civic was 2:58 at vir, and EN was 3:07 while the tlx type s was 3:06.

[@fusrodahing1993]

It doesn't justify the price. It's about 33% more expensive with only 5% better performance. I'm happy with my 23 EN DCT, and I wouldn't take the Type R if it was a free trade in. There's no fun to be had when your car sounds like a vacuum cleaner, and is too perfectly refined.

[@ii_dynasty]

@@fusrodahing1993 about 30% more and 20% better performance.

[@turbobros_online1561]

@@ii_dynasty lots of other track tests online where they are running the same tires. The CTR is a little bit faster. not by much. That VIR test had a note that the EN came with worn tires on it and they never were able to have an all out lap with it.

[@N_OWNER_]

EN 6MT 오너입니다. 옥탄학습이 되어있어도 급회전시에 연료탱크내 센서가 주유로 인식해서 고급유 학습이 풀립니다. 아이러니한 고급유학습. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ EN의 최대단점! 현대는 개선해야됨.

[@animaljoe1]

Is the Elanta octane learned? If not you need to make the video again. It matters. It goes from 14lbs or boost to 19lbs.

[@ALMX5DP]

Okay I had to look it up after seeing a few comments about this. Recommended fuel is premium, so it should be continuously filled with that. Edmunds also took possession and drove the vehicles out to this shoot location so I think the presumption is that it has been fueled with and had time to acclimate to premium (91 in CA).

[@justinhale2160]

😂😂😂😂 does really matter. You're battling pedigree. It's not as fast even with that. Bus length

[@chrissimmons9969]

I own a CTR and I genuinely like the EN, but even having to do the whole "octane learning" thing to be able to get full boost just seems ridiculous to me.

[@19hundoc47]

@@chrissimmons9969it’s only true with the DCT, my EN manual makes full boost all the time no matter what

[@chrissimmons9969]

@@19hundoc47 thank you I did not know that.

[@FlyinGato]

As an owner of a red FL5 Type R, I can confidently say the Elantra N is a better value. My biggest issue is having to deal with Hyundai dealers, which are somehow worse than Honda dealers

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Why not the Elantra N with DCT?

[@ALMX5DP]

Keeping manual vs manual removes a variable. Or it's just what Edmunds was able to get their hands on.

[@douglaskrueger357]

Makes zero sense.

[@NvSrAgE679]

Great race. Both really fun cars.

[@Karto86]

Wait, cup 2 is a much faster tire...

[@Live.drones]

Right? More HP, wider AND sticker tires.

[@ii_dynasty]

@dubiousmike it's almost like you're paying for a better car.

[@fusrodahing1993]

@@ii_dynasty Yes, 10k more and 15k markup for tires and a bit more power LMFAO

[@ii_dynasty]

@@fusrodahing1993 the typical default reply.

[@dominicg2456]

​@@ii_dynasty yeah but it's true, and as a daily driver the Elantra is much more "luxurious" than the CTR, it gets heated seats and the infotainment is much better, no lag and more features. I was considering buying both, and couldn't come up with a good reason for me to spend that much more on a CTR when the EN felt a lot more fun. The EN drives like a 90s tuner car, the CTR is still fun, but the EN has a personality to it. For example, when in sport/N mode, you can feel vibrations from the road coming through the steering wheel, but in the CTR you don't really feel anything like that. Plus the EN rides better than the CTR when both are in normal/comfort mode. It's really a no-brainer to me. I bought one yesterday even though I was originally dead set on a Type R.

[@philamguambomb]

EN manual is not their quickest model so I don't know why some reviewers uses the manual. The DCT model is quicker so it would be way closer race.

[@SuperFitness12]

For the price of the Civic. I’ve take the Elantra in a heartbeat!!! Very impressive. Wow

[@cdbig9er]

Get what you pay for, N is a disposable car.

[@SuperFitness12]

@@cdbig9er Really? Like it even better now!!

[@mryouknooow]

“C’mon Elantra” while getting gapped is wild

[@jimihendrix731]

Considering the Type R holds it’s value exceptionally well and will last longer while the Hyundai depreciates more than the industry average and is not nearly as reliable, there is no point comparing them based on price.

[@Marbind]

Agree but many aren't ready for this type of conversation. They aren't really saving 10K.

[@trentbolognani2509]

You guys should do ones with manual vs auto u drags. With stuff like the Elantra n, wrx, older Audi r8, older Corvettes and more

[@andychen7818]

8:02, yeah that's what she said.

[@19hundoc47]

I’ve owned both of these cars, and they are two of the most fun cars you can buy. And I’ve owned a couple new Supras, Mustangs, Camaros and Corvettes etc.

[@EmetYAHU]

Now do current Type R vs PRIOR gen Type R on same tires 🛞 Old version is FASTER 🤔

[@fj06carnone]

Even if that were true, it's embarrassing to drive for anyone over 17.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

@@fj06carnoneFACTS

[@ii_dynasty]

Maybe because the civic isn't designed to be a drag car? Because it's most definitely faster on track compared to the old one.

[@EmetYAHU]

@@fj06carnone it won’t be too embarrassing in 10 years when an unmodified 2k miles on the clock Championship White Civic Type R fetches $100K easy 🤔

[@Soulfulnewt05]

Manual Vs manual TypeR got it. I want to see what happens when the elantra N DCT vs typeR. I still think typeR would win but it’ll be much more interesting.

[@mphcorvette1]

I never understood why they always use the n manual. The dct is much faster in a drag and a track. I would love to see the fastest version of each car. Especially when the CTR is 10k more.

[@Marbind]

Man vs computer. We all now what will be the outcome.

[@vjd222]

Because you race manuals against manuals to eliminate variables. Obviously a computer is going to shift way faster than a person.

[@mphcorvette1]

@vjdfl5 and I get that, but if we're testing cars at a 10k price difference, and one has 30-50more hp in a drag race, wouldn't you want the other one to be the fastest version? It'd be a much closer race for sure.

[@Marbind]

​@@mphcorvette1 Is common knowledge that the EN DCT is faster than the manual.

[@vjd222]

@@mphcorvette1 the DCT is a few milliseconds quicker in a straight line, but as C/D testing shows, the manual has more grip on the skidpad and better braking performance. The DCT did this same test and was a second slower

[@AaronRobinProductions]

Type Rs are such good looking cars inside and out. Almost performance is so good! I’m debating on picking one up as a project car! The Elantra N performance is good for the price but I just personally don’t like how it looks.

[@tealchief]

This test is pointless without a control tire. You'd think Edmunds could muster together a sponsor.

[@PHaddaway]

They can't have it tie or CTR lose. They'd lose their sponsor money 😅 CTR is slower in a straight in every test and track day I've seen or been to

[@Marbind]

The outcome will be the same. The CTR will end up first but with a shorter lead. 🤷‍♂

[@isidororaposo8014]

You guys have to try to DCT as much faster that’s a better race

[@Tech-Kino2685]

For the money I'd still take the Elantra N

[@hasnainAli-99]

Wait till the engine blows out. Sh*t reliability

[@Tech-Kino2685]

@@hasnainAli-99 I'm not worried about that. I've had Hyundai cars and currently own 2 Genesis models, a gv80 and g70. Now over 3 years both with somewhat high milage and not one problem. Not all Hyundais have bad reliability issues , and I know plenty of other people who haven't had a bad experience with their Hyundai's either.

[@kfx3907]

@@hasnainAli-99Keep crying Honda bot😂

[@JCizzleSoCal]

Nobody that’s truly in the market for a Civic Type R, Golf R, GR Corolla, STi, etc….is considering a Hyundai!

[@Tech-Kino2685]

@@JCizzleSoCal that is absolutely false I work in car sales , a long with other good friends who work at competing dealers and they Elantra is constantly talked about and being crossed shopped and most of the time people would actually buy it over the type R or wrx or Corolla GR. And so far the many models hasn't had any problems. No point in speaking on what you don't know about

[@jmmch3358]

Edmund please bring us a Camaro SS1LE VS (Mustang DH, Mach l or Shelby GT350/R). It would be a great show for muscle car fans.

[@cajunotaku3256]

The Elantra N is very impressive for the price.

[@Vic_2077]

Where are you guys from or drive from? That airstrip is like less than 5 minutes away from my house, Patterson, Crowslanding

[@Marbind]

Just wanted to say that if the CTR was on PS4s too, the Civic would win as well.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Well yea that additional 20hp makes it faster 😂

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

​@@boygonewhoopdataZZ 20hp? It's 39hp more power.

[@theuncanspan]

Beautiful track layout! That's how a race should be done.

[@ПАВЕЛВ-с4ф]

Elantra is not a bad car, but civic is best of its class for everytime since 1990s

[@Deepanimosity]

That $10,000 price difference is huge. The N is much closer to the Civic Si as far as price goes. So really, it's a middle-weight fighting against the heavy-weights It's competing in a whole class above.

[@vjd222]

Eh. The DCT is 7k more than an Si. About 20% more than the si and 20% cheaper than the CTR

[@tvo6453]

Nobody in their right mind would buy a Hyundai over a Honda

[@CleverCheetah]

Not with that $20k markup you wont

[@ericn3221]

I saw somewhere you can clip the mics on your shirt and you don't have to awkwardly hold them. 😁

[@hwanohchung]

Should have pushed the N button....

[@chrisdoucet3885]

No N in the manual.

[@douglaskrueger357]

N for Nonsense?

[@romanracing883]

Fun to watch, thanks!!

[@Anonymous-so4nl]

Like for type r