Fighting Fate: Let's talk about the story of Ahsoka Tano (thus far)

[@sethoates7460]

Something I realized is that Ahsoka is canon version of Starkiller. Apprentice of Anakin/Vader who uses reverse grip lightsaber, later using 2 reverse grip. Fought Vader using speed as an advantage. Helped organize the rebellion. Both pretty powerful. Anything else?

[@mpnuorva]

Would explain why Filoni insists on keeping her around for the post-RotJ era.

[@captaindc3889]

Would be interesting if they could ever meet

[@Null82085]

I mean she can’t force star destroyers out of the sky

[@SpinDoc420]

@@Null82085 have we seen her fail ? Just saying... one does not know until one tries

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@Null82085 Galen didn't do that either. He merely took a Star Destroyer that was already about to crash and redirected it into the ore cannon.

[@Kevin_Street]

I agree with the apparent consensus. From her first appearance in Clone Wars I always thought Ahsoka was fated to die at Darth Vader's hand. The only surprise was that it happened in Rebels, a show that took place years later. But then, she survived. Her survival is an inevitable (or seemingly inevitable) consequence of the fact that Star Wars isn't completely George Lucas's story anymore, and it isn't all about the Skywalkers. She got to go on because Dave Filoni felt there was more of her story left to tell. And she is a good character. I still remember how incredible it was to see Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka for the first time, that amazing feeling of worlds colliding and a CGI creation coming to life in a profound new way. I look forward to the Ahsoka show for that reason. Let's see where she goes from here.

[@matthewmorris3952]

Just found this video. It's ironic, because I think Star Wars does need to expand out of the Skywalkers in specific and Jedi in general. Rogue One was one way to do the later, no Jedi. Ahsoka can take a similar path, if she really is following is a 'not a Jedi' path like the Nightsister's aren't Sith.

[@luckykitty1740]

I would love for Asoka to get a happy ending. The entirety of star wars is basically tragedy and loss. Her appearance in Mandalorian guarantees she survives Darth Vader so I am hopeful we get to see a happy ending for a Jedi for once.

[@johngroom669]

Dying of old age say 100 years after rise of Skywalker having founded the new Jedi order would be fitting

[@richardcastillos2896]

I loved hes story, Ahsoka was a turning point in Anakin's life, it gave him a responsibility over a person (which was like his sister) and at some point he was going to have to let her go. It was honestly one of the best decisions the jedi council made to bad that they themselves sabotaged their own plan so to speak, because of the behavior and little support they gave ahsoka, she in the end leaving Anakin, and of course Anakin never learned to let go a close person in his life. I liked that her story continues, she represents the best of Anakin in a person.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

One thing we can all agree on, 3% of people who answered the poll are idiots - Ahsoka is one of the best characters in the whole franchise.

[@richardcastillos2896]

@@Beer_Dad1975 I agree( But I would not say idiots I understand that they are good with ahsoka being a live but I disagree that she dying wit vader is the right way to go)

[@isaacnorton6251]

I would agree that from a writing standpoint, killing her in rebels would have been a good play but also... what if Vader had "let her go" I have no idea what that would mean but its an interesting possibility or what if she actually managed to beat Vader and disappeared after, but what Dave did does also as was said in the video explain why she and Ezra were missing during OT. Personally I love Ahsoka's character, all the nuances and it would be cool if she got a happy ending and maybe got the life that Anakin tried to have but actually is able to live and die in peace, it would be a nice change because honestly Star Wars is depressing like so far no character has had a happy ending and hasn't died in battle and really Ahsoka is the only character that fans really love who is still alive and not ruined by the sequel trilogy, so I do hope they give her a good life for her sake and the franchise they just have to do it right

[@brainzpvz2592]

Well, from the ending of return of the jedi it would seem that Luke, Han and Leia get a happy ending- OH WAIT...

[@isaacnorton6251]

@@brainzpvz2592 yes exactly then the sequels were like Yeah... no they get to die on screen like everyone else

[@Spartan086]

All of Rebels happens pre-OT, so it makes sense why Ezra is missing...Ahsoka though, not as much

[@isaacnorton6251]

@@Spartan086 what i meant is, as was said in the video Ahsoka and Sabine go off to look for Ezra hence why she is not in OT also you a halo fan? ;D

[@D4C_Gaming]

5:28 I really don’t like how everyone just forgets that Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi anymore.

[@Grenaden86]

I caught that myself. Technically Yoda was still on point when he told Luke that despite Ahsoka being alive.

[@Minor.Inconvenience]

Searched the comments for this. THANK YOU

[@johngroom669]

Ahsoka is the embodiment of the Jedi

[@D4C_Gaming]

@@johngroom669 she’s the embodiment of what the Jedi are supposed to be, not the embodiment of what the Jedi actually are.

[@johngroom669]

@@D4C_Gaming very true, i stand corrected although you could say she’s able to portray that because she was never in a position of power and as we know politics changes everything

[@TenuousSausage]

I remember a time when a character's death in Star Wars was SO incredibly loaded. Anakin/Vader, Padme, Kanan Jarrus, honestly the list goes on. Heck, even Order 66 brought us all to tears over characters that, at the time, were just background fillers. But now I feel like death in Star Wars is just another commodity: just like Stormtroopers or Battle Droids, we can keep killing off big name characters and they'll just keep coming. Darth Maul, Ahsoka Tano, Boba Fett, Cobb Vanth and now Cad Bane?? When Ahsoka came back in the World Between Worlds, it was quite literally groundbreaking. Just like Maul, she had (and in my opinion, still has) the opportunity to be a one-off, let's bring a character back from the dead for GOOD storytelling, not because we're attached and can't let go. And that's the tragic thing with dead characters now. If we look at Ahsoka and Maul as foils for eachother, both had fenomenal stories in the Clone Wars and Rebels, but now we're seeing them in the vast majority of Star Wars media and it's becoming a bit much. I hope we can go back to Ahsoka being this Gandalf-esque type figure that the end of Rebels teased. Before her death, she sat in the constant shadow of Anakin, a man that fell to the darkside because he was too attached to everyone he loved, but now, in her reincarnation as 'Ahsoka the White', she's free of that burden and she's searching for Ezra Bridger- the modern Canon's Luke Skywalker. Dave Filoni, learn to let go, but never forget why we started this journey. Edit: I'm a dumbass that can't spell Anakin :)

[@harrambou9468]

Ezra Bridger, the modern Canon’s Luke Skywalker- Slow it down there. I get ya point tho

[@joshuarichards9209]

I think she should of stayed dead coz her story is over, don’t get me wrong I like the character, but she she be dead

[@sporgultimes2]

Regarding her stepping out of Anakin shadow is something I don’t entirely understand. I’ve always looked at her like knightwing. He’s a great character on his own but will be forever tied to Batman and I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I feel the same about ashsoka.

[@rylerdrengr3372]

I like the idea of her leaving the order to retire and find herself in the force and find her place in the grand scheme of things.

[@JulianTheJedi]

I think Vader killing her in Rebels would have been the perfect ending to her character. It explains her absence from the ot and it finalizes Anakin turn to the dark side

[@wordlesslfiddling]

And it adds to the weight of luke being able to turn him back to the light side Not even ahsoka could do it it took family for to start to question the emperor

[@rylerdrengr3372]

Not everyone should have to die.

[@richardcastillos2896]

I think the character dying un rebels is okay but in my opinion is not really fear, she dosen't really have to die there she in the end knew she could not bring her master back, also to much character were not in the original trilogy and are interesting thrawn, cal kestis, the mandalorians. And in my opinion vader was already vader a long time algo he was already in the dark side

[@richardcastillos2896]

@@rylerdrengr3372 I agree

[@Paradox-es3bl]

As if the Younglings didn't finalize his turn? And Padmé being dead?

[@silverbullet1620]

Look, I loved the idea of the World between Worlds because it made Legends canon as well as all fan fictions. Because anything can happen in another World. So... Yeah. And saving Ahsoka was cool.

[@laisphinto6372]

she should have died there and creating multiverse bullshit just to save his own oc is pathetic

[@mikethehunter5212]

You know, I never thought about it that way. Maybe I should get back into reading some of those stories.

[@domino_201]

I feel like that just makes Star Wars into a second Marvel. Marvel took every single property - including obscure ones - that they had written in comic form and threw them into the MCU, which can't, doesn't, and will not work. That's my big issue with the World Between Worlds, personally.

[@silverbullet1620]

@@domino_201 why don't people think of DC's Multiverse?

[@mitchellalexander9162]

The Great and Stupid thing about this is: The Good News is: This potentially Reintroduces Darth Traya or Kreia. And just imaging Ahsoka confronting the Sith Lord that sought to Sever the Force entirely to end what she sees as a vicious cycle. The Bad News: This will be handled by the Modern Disney Writers....It'll suck.

[@TatsuMurasaki]

I love this discussion. Heard lots of things I had not considered before, from all kinds of Ahsoka and Non-Ahsoka fans. I love seeing how we all want the best for Ahsoka and/or ultimately Star Wars storytelling in the end. May the force be with you all!

[@MCsCreations]

Ahsoka dying by Vader's hands would've been perfect. I absolutely agree. But as she's still alive... Bring on her series! 😬

[@Jake-dm4rk]

The more characters and shows are created out of clone wars and the more often those characters keep showing up before and after the original trilogy, the more obvious it will be that theh don't want to do anything with the material disney bought and more that they just want the title star wars without the actually story, just its cool powers and nostalgia. If we keep seeing bad batch and rebels and clone wars characters popping up in mando but not the og trilogy and only in New shows and stories it is going to start looking more and more contrived.

[@lakernation26]

I mean Star Wars is more than just the original trilogy.

[@Lazarus1095]

It is not often that breaching canon is a good idea, but in this instance Filoni made absolutely the right decision. What would we have gotten out of Ahsoka being killed? "OK, a character everyone expected to die from the very beginning is now dead. Hope you didn't get too emotionally invested in her! But hey, Almightly Continuity has been restored! Now lets get on to setting up A New Hope." Does that sound even remotely satifying on an emotional level? Killing Ahsoka would have been a mistake. Having her actually survive her fight at the Temple gave the many viewers who grew to love her character something they desperately wanted and did not expect- a rare bright spot in a dark universe.

[@TY-km8hj]

If u can't handle the death of a character u enjoy then why even watch most films or TV shows. Imo her dying in rebels would've been very fitting, only reason she's alive is cos of contrivance and regardless of how much I like her character I can't respect that. Filoni needs to let go of his attachments

[@Lazarus1095]

@@TY-km8hj The answer to your question is that, in this instance, killing her off was no longer dramatic or original. With every major character outside of the movie canon dead or expected to die as an inevitability, having her live became both highly desirable and unexpected. The goal is to tell a great story, not check the boxes. Killing characters you like for the sake of strong drama makes sense. That is why Ned Stark's death was so important. Inversely, killing one more character you like because it is their time to join the huge pile of corpses you've been conditioning the audience to get used to for the past two decades is pointless. I believe Tolkien had a word for this. It is called "eucatastrophe".

[@nerdrage557]

I love her as a character but Filoni has to let go at some point. I want to see him tackle new stories and bring in new faces with there own unique quality.

[@khalduras784]

yeah he's too harp on ahsoka to be honest.

[@marshmallowvampire8503]

I am thinking that too. She needed to die not just for the story, but bc they keep using her in a lot of seemingly random places bc she's a familiar face. On my opinion, I don't think it's very smart to do that bc now her existence created plot wholes and becomes less and less exciting the more she shows up.

[@moabman6803]

I disagree. I think killing off a character to move on is lazy writing. It's what the sequels did. Ahsoka can go in many directions. Since they ruined Luke, I think her and Ezra should go to the unknown regions of space and begin they're own jedi order. Many easy ways to create new characters that has more depth and thought than just killing people off. If you want to watch a show with new characters maybe they will come out with a show solely focusing on Rose or Geode. I'm sure it will be great.

[@johngroom669]

Obviously she has to die at some point, everyone does but Ahsoka could still be in her prime in Rise of Skywalker and could very well help take Star Wars forward post sequel trilogy

[@RyanTheDark]

I still believed Ahsoka should have died from Vader or the Emperor. She could have a sacrifice similar to Galen Marek, fighting, showing the hope Ezra and Kanan represented, and symbolizing the true start of the Rebellion.

[@chancebrown106]

I am not gona lie to you dawg… just by the episode 3 reference that’s in the title of your video, I hate to admit that ever since hearing that line in the movie when I was 14 years old, I’ve taken those words by Yoda as a mini philosophy to live my life.

[@chancebrown106]

I know its either a proverb or some other sacred text somewhere but it came from Yoda lmaoo.

[@Noone-qs5jt]

I don't know why so many people are convinced filoni isn't able to let go of his characters just because ahsoka didn't die in rebels, or that he won't be able to give an appropriate send-off to the character. We've seen kanan jarrus, who was a main character for four seasons of rebels, die in one of the best scenes of animated star wars. More recently, we've seen cad bane, a character that filoni was closely attached to for over 10 years, die as well. They took their time, but they died when the moment was right. There's a reason why ahsoka is still alive. She wasn't killed in order 66 or by vader's hand because then she would just be another generic jedi character that has a predictable death. The explanations for her surviving those 2 events (her leaving the order and the world between worlds) are what DEFINED her character and made her unique. She will most probably die someday, and when filoni said that she might still be alive during the sequels, he probably said it just to throw us off (ahsoka being dead if her voice is heard as that of a ghost is the obvious thought). That being said, I do believe people getting tired of her is owed, more to the fact that she survived her duel with Vader, to the fact that she's being overused. She didn't need to be in the mandalorian, and she DEFINITELY shouldn't have been in tbobf. They should have just announced her own show and maybe end her story there

[@imjashingyou3461]

I loved the World between Worlds. I honestly felt it as natural continuation of Ashokas story. Furthermore the world between worlds added interesting depth and lore to the force that really expands the mythos. It was time travel done right in media. Low stakes, no continuity issue.

[@shugaroony]

Agreed.

[@Superkid33]

Also watching Kanan’s death scene hit really hard when Ezra went into the World Between Worlds

[@shugaroony]

@@Superkid33 Every time Ezra says 'goodbye Kanan' at the end of that episode, it gets me! And I've watched Rebels dozens of times at this point!

[@PixelKatana]

I definitely will watch her show with great interest but I also agree Dave needs to let go. At this point maybe sacrificing herself to defeat Thrawn or save Luke (and in a way honor Anakin one last time)is one of the better scenarios we can hope for.

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

It could be interesting if they were fighting she was crushed by rubble and Vader goes to check to see if she has died but stops himself and leaves. This would leave things ominous and could hint towards Anakin is still in there but can't get out.

[@yasoomorimoto8474]

I was first against anakin having a padawan, but she was so good of a character that I'm now thankful that they created her. Im not sure I'm able to let her go either...

[@bizarrespecies9750]

Ahsoka will probably be one of the better upcoming Disney plus shows so it doesn’t matter to me.

[@Xanman64-p6q]

A different reason for Ahsoka being absent in OT - There were two things from Anakin's past helping to keep him on the dark side. His hatred for Kenobi after all that went down at the end, and his love for Ahsoka, one of the things he could not give up. Padme died, so Anakin could let her go, and Obi-wan sacrificed himself to remove himself from the equation. Ahsoka, once she realized she could not save him, could sense that she needed to stay away to allow Anakin to believe she was dead as well and could let her go, so when Ezra saved her she found a portal back to the real world in a time after Luke had worked his magic. With both of those obstacles removed and the emperor dead, Luke was finally able to reach the good side of Anakin and save his father. Then she could come back to look for Ezra.

[@MedalionDS9]

I've kinda held a view that Filoni was doing Lucas' bidding for a time, but when push comes to shove... because Lucas wanted Ahsoka to die, and Filoni feared to lose what he loves... he has been slowly doing more of the bidding of Disney as long as it keeps his creations alive and well in the IP.

[@willlauzon3744]

Thing is.... Lucas was right. If the council sent her on a mission she shouldn't have been on or wasn't ready for it would push Anikan closer to the dark side and further mistrust of the Jedi council. She lived because she was popular and I felt it was a cop out

[@moabman6803]

I disagree on it being a cop out. If she had died it would have not have shown the power of the daughter combined with the training of clone wars era jedi in general in addition to training by Anakin, Obi-Wan, and master Koon. She should be very difficult to kill. She also usually knows when not to engage in a fight she can win and to hide.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@willlauzon3744 Which is why I stick to the Lucas canon, the six movies and the six seasons.

[@willlauzon3744]

@@moabman6803 ah. The fanboy. Yes she would be hard to kill but so would plo koon' aayla secura and all the other surviving generals up until order 66. She was not of their level though, however talented and well trained as she was. The point is by having her survive (mostly due to being popular and I say this as a fan of her character so no hate) she would and should have not survived the clone Wars. Having her survive into Luke's Jedi order would be really hard to square. Now I may be biased because I grew up with the original EU (legends is BS let's just call it the OCU) and the best part of Luke's order was that it was largely released from the previous orders rules and codes. Marriage was not a problem and you could have more than one student. Having Ashoka survive would take away from that and too many people want her to train Luke which does one more disservice to his character of being a trailblazer.

[@moabman6803]

@@willlauzon3744 plo Koon and the other jedi were all in the middle of battles surrounded by clones. She was just surrounded by a few clones. Also her dual blades gave her an advantage to deflecting clone weapons over the single saber jedi. I'm not up on the books. But allowing marriage seems like a plot hole even without disney stuff. Mara jade was not George lucas' idea was it? I don't see how you do that

[@shugaroony]

If you want to go down the poetry avenue, her surviving against Vader could show that the student surpassed the master, and she became something he never could.

[@michaelmartinez3893]

He could've had Vader freeze Ahsoka in Carbonite. And she gets out somehow post Return of the Jedi.

[@thomp9054]

That could be neat

[@harrambou9468]

...best solution yet

[@SilverSpireZ]

Always good to see this series come back!

[@PaganPolska]

As poetic is Ahsoka dying at the hands of Vader may have been I'm glad they didn't do that with her. Ahsoka is a great character and she definitely deserves to be explored more and to be considered more than just some former apprentice of Anakin Skywalker. I really do hope they do her character justice with the Ahsoka show.

[@bouboubilburgardinov6077]

ezra saving ahsoka is one of the best scenes in SW, well executed, doesn't ruin continuity, doesn't make Vader weak and we can continue her story... i can't understand how anyone can have a problem with that, she is one of the best characters in SW

[@harrambou9468]

People don’t like the idea of time travel in star wars

[@96megatron]

I recall there was a vision on Mortis of a future and way older than the future Ahsoka of Rebels and Mandalorian/Boba Fett Series that the Present Ahsoka (Clon Wars Era's present) spoke with.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

It was a vision of Ahsoka as a Jedi Master, if she were to not have Anakin as a master anymore.

[@Valandhir]

Havin Anakin kill her would simply have been wayyy obvious and while useful, also quite repetitive. Vader would also have been pushed close to the irredeemable brink in the eyes of the viewers and his redemption has its questionable sides already. The world between worlds added a nice mystery linked to the mortis gods, and the path Anakin refused to take. It also gives a nice reason why Ahsoka was not in the movie trilogy, and even maybe why Yoda thought she was dead, having felt her die on Malachor but not sensing the world between worlds in the same manner. I honestly hope for Ahsoka to have a long future story arc, and I truly hope she is still alive after the whole "Rise of Skywalker" nonsense goes down.

[@rikk319]

Anakin was irredeemable in everyone's eyes but Luke's even after Anakin died. He murdered children by the dozen and contributed to torture, murder, and the enslavement of trillions of people by aiding Palpatine. Just look back in history at any of history's true villains and imagine one of them having a change of heart and saying, "Oops--my bad, I'm okay now. Everything forgiven?" Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Idi Amin, Ghengis Khan...none of these evil men would have redeemed themselves by flipping sides at the end and helping the good guys win. Justice isn't that cheap. Anakin may have done the right thing at the end by helping Luke, and showing (albeit rather late) he loved his son, but that didn't erase his literal DECADES of evil. That so many people can hand-wave off his atrocities because "reasons" makes me realize just how many fucked-up people we have in the real world.

[@TY-km8hj]

Vaders killed kids, he's already irredeemable tf🤣

[@chrisscully1817]

I love the Character of Ashoka. She's a little Bad ass that fought some Heavys. Vader, Maul, Grevious, Etc. The fact that Ashoka and Luke did know each other is now Canon. I think her Story could go in so many directions

[@harrambou9468]

The fact that she walked away from General Grievous says more about his dumbass than her

[@davekingrey1009]

It's not really a plot hole that she wasnt in the original trilogy. That can easily explained that she was off searching for Ezra. Filoni was right to keep her alive. I cant wait for the Ahsoka show. People complained about the prequels but now most fans love them. That's what fans are going to do with these series. They'll complain about what "should've happened" in the shows, but later they'll look back with fondness. Book of Boba Fett was a great show (even with all it's flaws) and I think the Ahsoka show has potential to be just as good or better.

[@bosborn1]

I totally agree with this. I think the people complaining are mostly Millennials who have had tons of SW’s around for the entirety of their lives. For us older fans I love how they tie a new character into the story and bring so much more depth to a character we grew up with. I can’t tell you how much more I see in Vader now with all the backstory. Things that meant nothing before now have such depth. Every little pause and inflection now mean something about the character. I have no problem with Ashoka living. That being said I would have understood her dying in the duel with Vader. I think tying her in with the WBW is great. She already has a tie in with the daughter so this is the natural extension. Overall she is one of the best written characters in all of SW’s and as long as she is integrated into the story in a plausible way I am a fan.

[@trumanmurray5414]

If they can do the series right and add something good to her story, great. But if they screw it up like with Boba Fett, her story should’ve ended on Malachor with Vader.

[@Anthony-cj2ju]

Hi Thor Skywalker. I’m curious to know what kind of new trilogy story arch you would like to see going forward outside of the Skywalker saga with all new characters, concepts, ect. A video would be awesome.

[@thorskywalker]

That could make for a very good video...

[@GrievousReborn]

I wish KZbin sent out notifications for Community polls because I hardly ever get to participate because I don't know they exist

[@averykoch4553]

Ahsoka's easily one of my favorite characters in Star Wars, but I agree that her characterization needs some love. She's in Rebels for like 4 episodes, and gets almost no development other than "I am no Jedi". Then in Mando/BOBF she's just around, and still gets frustratingly little development. I want to see how her experiences have shaped her into a woman and (possibly?) a Jedi. It feels like she hasn't really changed at all (on screen) since Order 66.

[@isaacnorton6251]

yes i agree and maybe she can get the life that Anakin wanted for himself, it just seems like EVERY character dies prematurely and doesn't get to do so on their own terms ( obi-wan and yoda being exceptions but even they were in exile) it would make star wars a little less depressing to know that a truly loved character got to live a full life the way they wanted to

[@moabman6803]

I kinda am hoping they don't show much of her for a while. Star wars is pretty all over the place right now. I'd rather they leave her story until things get more settled.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

Because Filoni doesn't know what to do with her, as she was created to either leave or die by the end of Season 5, and that was supposed to be it. Filoni has to decide what should happen with Ahsoka, while honoring Lucas' vision, but the problem is Lucas' vision didn't include her returning.

[@moabman6803]

@@willfanofmanyii3751 Actually in a Filoni interview during filming the Mandelorian he talks about what he has had planned for her. It was during the filming of season 2 they did the interview.

[@mr_e_mc2]

4:59 Al Carbo'a comment about Yoda telling Luke he was the last jedi still hold true for Asoka is not a Jedi, she was a Jedi, but left the order ...... Vader "Revenge is not the Jedi Way", Asoka "I am no Jedi"

[@BitigoBlack]

Ahsoka's fate is intertwined with Ezra, Thrawn, and the new evils coming from beyond the territories of the Chiss Ascendancy. That's what has been in mind ever since I started looking more into Thrawn's character.

[@Voltage256]

I loved Ahsoka when everyone else seemed to hate her. One of my top 5 favorite star wars characters of all time

[@skylerwilson5378]

5:29 (yoda told luke) yes well Ashoka is not a Jedi remember and hadn’t been at the point for over 19 years

[@codiwonkanobi9788]

I like how her survival expanded on the lore. From a certain point of view she wasn't a Jedi and it left them an out for the disaster that was the sequel trilogy.

[@JonaD757]

Wow, seeing my comment in the video is kinda surreal haha, thanks for taking the time to read even the lesser liked comments Thor, it's really appreciated. This is a great community for discourse on Star Wars even if we have varied opinions.

[@mckayhatch6723]

I think them being the unknown regions during the OT makes the most sense as things presently stand. It fixes a lot of plot holes and doesn't make more.

[@jakecook2375]

Ahsoka's fate is perfect to me. We need to keep a conduit between what is " Star War" from the past and what will be the new "Star Wars". Unless you want to see a new Star Wars like the bullshit that the new Star Trek has become and Kennedy went out of her way to destroy what is Star Wars? We have already lost Yoda, Kenobi and Anakin, before he became Vadar, do we really want to lose her? In season 7, even though she's not of the old Jedi order, she exemplified what people felt a Jedi should be. The world between worlds is not time travel but intersections of time events, Ezra pulling Ashoka out a time line of death. Dave, Jon and George will it to correct many of the wrong Disney cannon arches by using Ashoka. Who knows there characters like Vintress that we may still see in future productions of Star Wars. I believe the intentions of Dave and Jon are a hell of alot better than Kennedy's?

[@derbucherwurm]

Right I hope that is true.

[@sheev2829]

The Ahsoka show should have been animated

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Most overrated character in modern storytelling. Now this statement wouldn’t be made if her arc ended in Rebels.

[@thechild1558]

She shouldn’t die. She’s too beloved. She should return to The World Between Worlds and become its’ guardian forever🤔 This is the way. I have spoken….

[@truestarwarsfan2347]

Anybody who thinks her story should have ended during that cliffhanger is not a real Ahsoka Fan. Anybody who is not excited that she’s in Live Action as well now is not a Real Ahsoka Fan, and anybody who isn’t excited that she is FINALLY getting her own show is NOT a Real Ahsoka Fan. So don’t even call yourselves Ahsoka Fans. People who aren’t excited for more Ahsoka content don’t DESERVE to even be called Ahsoka Fans.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

While I do agree that her dying against Vader in Rebels would have been a great, emotional ending to her character, I think what Dave did with The World Between Worlds is far better of a choice. After all, it is episodes like that, and like the Mortis arc, that really make the fans stop and think about everything they think they know. Same goes with the entire character of the Bendu. Also, I never saw The World Between Worlds as some sort of time travel. It does essentially the same thing, but I don't think that a character could enter one dorrway and exit another. Which I actually think is shown as such in the episode itself. It us a way of ALTERING time, butbut not time TRAVEL. As for Ahsoka's story... Well, Dave has been pretty good as coming up with ways to make her presence throughout the universe not be a contradiction or plothole. Her presence in Rebels was perfectly fine as the entirety of Clone Wars season 7 was planned (not to mention that she didn't die at the end of season 5 anyway) at that moment in time. Her coming back in season, while a "retcon", was more of a "she never died". It's as if Ezra ALWAYS pulled her away from death. It's made even more evident in the episode when it's noted that Ezra can't save Kanan because if he does, he wouldn't be alive, which would just cause the grandfather paradox (but in the reverse order). Because Kanan is alive and can't save Ezra, Ezra can never have saved Kanan (or Ahsoka for that matter), thus meaning Kanan dies anyway, leading to Ezra saving Kanan again. And then obviously, her being alive in Mandalorian and Boba Fett (while not necessarily NEEDING to show up) also makes perfect sense. I do understand the argument that Dave is just too attached, but at the time, there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone dies eventually, and so obviously Ahsoka will HAVE to die in universe. But it doesn't mean that she can't continue having stories for years to come.

[@mpnuorva]

I don't think Ahsoka should have died in Rebels. I can't say for sure what her fate should have been, but if she croaks in Rebels, she's basically just Galen Marek without the redemption arc. That said, I think the way to save her was wrong. The problem with her character is that until the Mandalorian she really has only been defined through Anakin. In that role I think she should have died in TCW as per George Lucas' intention. Her dying on Malachor is just a narrative dead end, and if you have to kill off characters to show that Darth Vader of all people is a bad dude, you are doing it wrong. I think there is a good character there, but it needs to be built. Her two live-action appearances were interesting, as they seem to put her into the Prequel Jedi- camp, despite her earlier characterization. At most I would say that the big problem with her has been that she's been largely superfluous since Rebels S2 finale, which is likely why people demand she should have died there.

[@cyannnnnnnnn]

I think Filoni definitely has some attachment to her character but it could also be Disney stepping in. If they want to create an MCU-like universe they need characters for it, for better or worse.

[@leahtheanimationfan40]

I'm definitely in the crowd of "yeah, it would make a lot more sense from a narrative and emotional standpoint to have her die while fighting Vader, but at the same time, I want to keep seeing more of her and I don't want to let her go because she's my favorite Star Wars character" 😂

[@82saw3]

Ahsoka Tano is one of the best Star Wars characters by far. Definitely in the top five. She rocks and I love her 🥰

[@robertw31968]

I have to disagree with the folks who said it was ok for Asoka to die in Rebels. Personally I’m happy she survived. Asoka is my 2nd favorite character in all of Star Wars just behind Anakin. I’ve loved her character arch. I’m looking forward to her live action series then any of the others. Was her character good in the first couple of seasons of Clone Wars no not really in my opinion, but as she progressed she got better and better. In my opinion she was the heart and soul of that show. Also when she showed up on Rebels it really got me into that show. I know I’m in the minority but this is just my opinion.

[@emperorgizmo3014]

Nope. Ahsoka forever. I hope she never dies. Her being around can be explained away. Her presence enriches Star Wars, doesn't detract from it like Rey.

[@moabman6803]

Agreed.

[@Ariescz]

I heard a rumor somewhere that World Between Worlds was not actually Filoni's idea, but a command from on high to create something that would allow Disney to retcon anything that would not work (as far as sales go). So obviously he would do a trial run of such thing on his favorite character

[@moabman6803]

No it was Filonis idea. He talks about it in an interview. But it's based off of George's ideas with mortis.

[@javierservigon]

Thor, i’d like to hear your take on this. At the end of Clone Wars, Ashoka makes a point of not killing any clones cause she feels is not their fault, that they are being manipulated, that they will always be her brothers if you may. But in Revenge of the Sith, Yoda and Obi Wan, when they go to the temple, they have no problem with killing a bunch of troops. I guess Ahsoka was more attached… or masters are just more brutal, they dont mess around, i.e Ben Kenobi slices that guys arm without hesitating, like he doesn’t have time to waste in mind tricks, just get it over with

[@isaacnorton6251]

well, Ahsoka had been attacked by mind controlled clones before so her first instinct wasn't "they are betraying me" it was "they are being controlled I have to help them" which I think adds a lot of depth to her character

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't know about the chips, Ahsoka did.

[@gofority5112]

I really just want to see Ashoka speak to force ghost anakin with Ahsokas theme playing in her show.

[@yoavmor9002]

My problem with Ahsoka dying by Vader is... It kinda makes him irredeemable imo. Killing Obi-Wan is fair, Obi-Wan failed Anakin when Anakin trusted him. Ahsoka trusted Anakin, so if Anakin kills her it's not only that he.. killed her, but it's also that he breached the trust Ahsoka put in him.

[@shugaroony]

I kind of agree with that. For me he isn't 'redeemed' just because he threw the Emperor down a shaft - that doesn't make up for his pure evil over 23 years; but Ahsoka was actually the one success in his life, so having her live is a way of showing that the monster was at one time a good person.

[@GrapeCheckerBoard]

I wasn’t happy about Ahsoka and Vader’s duel in Rebels for similar reasons. When it came to Obi-Wan, Padmé and Luke, Vader wanted them at his side or-failing that-not dead by his hand. (“Together we can rule the galaxy as father and son.”/“…together we can rule the galaxy, make things the way we want them to be.”“Don’t make me kill you.”/“Don’t make me destroy you.”) Vader was too eager for this fight. I also think we should have seen Ahsoka’s thought process as she decided that she was willing to kill her former master. That’s a big decision to make, though a reasonable one, so I believe it’s damaging to the story to skip over the process of making that decision.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@GrapeCheckerBoard Vader was eager because at that point, Vader feels nothing but anger for anything that reminds him of Anakin, and wants it destroyed.

[@shugaroony]

@@willfanofmanyii3751 Yep I always laugh at when people look at the final scenes of the Clone Wars, where Vader ignites Ahsoka's lightsabre and looks up at a circling Morai; when people say 'oh Anakin is perhaps regretful about everything', when nope, he is hunting her - probably after he senses she's still alive in Rebels, and Morai confirms she's very much alive.

[@BouttaGoToBed]

I am so glad Ahsoka didn’t die in Rebels to Vader. I get why some would’ve wanted that but not for me. I wanna see where she goes after Rebels. Would’ve felt weird to kill her in a series like Rebels.

[@BouttaGoToBed]

Also I think that if she died in Rebels it would’ve felt too early. Maybe that’s just me but I feel like she has so much more to do. I don’t think it’s that Filoni can’t let go. He has plans for her in the future. She’s gonna play a big role in the “MandoVerse”

[@jarfmusic]

To be honest, I don't really mind the retcon via TWBW. As much as it "isn't Star Wars" , I'd rather they use it to clean up some mess from the sequels. Disney seems to really like strong female characters, so I'm happy that they can satiate that desire with one that is actually well developed and not a complete Mary Sue. She does have that link to The Daughter as well which is one of the ways they are justifying her fate as much as they do. Idk, I think it's cool that "The Ones" have so much to do with her and I'd really like to see a series where she gets heavily involved with the force. It seems even more poetic that way as she is technically not a Jedi (so not walking completely along the light path) and that's why she's probably the best fit to go into depth with this kind of stuff. People complain about where she is in the OT a whole lot but a Galaxy is a large place. There are so many battles that we didn't witness and likely many Jedi with their own stories that affect the fate of the galaxy in different ways. I always think of Cal Kestis in this regard (an excellent character for Obi-Wan and Ashoka to meet) who is essentially preventing the Empire from gaining hidden knowledge that would give the Sith unrivaled power. Either way, they need to keep delivering with the love and care that they have been putting into their most well received stories. Ideally we'd have a world where the events in the sequels are set into an alternate timeline as well because of the damage they did but we will have to wait and see.

[@4891MR]

There's no problem if you really want to be constantly aware of the fourth wall. It's just such a glaring plot device, I don't know how we manage suspension of disbelief after that. It works fine for Ezra and Thrawn to be sent off to another part of the galaxy through the OT era, and I would have been ok with the same for Asoka if that had been plotted with no time-bending detour. But the more I think about the world between worlds, the harder it is to stop thinking about the behind the scenes going forward.

[@Imhotep397]

Ahsoka, is the only non-human significant protagonist in Star Wars. Aside from that Ahsoka is, by far, the most rounded, most developed Star Wars character on screen. Ahsoka needed to live past the Vader battle to prove to Anakin that as Leah said the tighter he made his fist the more people like sand granules would slip through his fingers.

[@TheRealMonkeyrogue]

Oh that would be cool to have him ghost force visiting her to check in on her progress and how she is doing. I have a feeling we'll be seeing Obi Wan and such as these series continue and the technology is developed to drop someone in (like Yoda) easily.

[@raccoonja-ronja]

I think the death in Rebels would have worked very well. Especially with her last conversation with Rex mirroring their first. But I also like that they brought back the more mystical elements of the force with the world betwen worlds, without making it an easy place to access again. Ahsoka starting her search for Ezra is also a good enough excuse for her not beeing in the original trilogy. And as one commenter already pointed out getting happy endings for some of the characters would be great. I really want Ahsoka to be by Rex side when he dies or the other way around. They both lost alot of friends without having a chance to say goodbye.

[@horseygirl6232]

As for the time travel angle it could explain much, like Legends and Disney Canon, and if Disney allowed it, someone could write a novel or a short series how Legends could be a timeline because of events that didn’t happen in Disney Canon. For Ashoka, as others have said explains where Ashoka and Ezra are during the original movies. Though if they are doing a series about Snips please let us know what happened to Ezra and Thrawn, and maybe explore the unknown regions and species there of, like Yuuzhan Vong.

[@soloxcan]

I don't know if I saw the same episode as everyone else. The one i saw where she battled Vader she lived at the end, walking away after the collapse of the temple

[@ianmacfarlane7596]

I understand why Ashoka being alive during the OT might make Yoda a liar and create continuity problems. Well, I think we should keep in mind that the Force itself didn't want her to open the temple on Lothal herself, since she wasn't a Jedi. Yes, she was a Force-user, but she rejected the responsibility of the Jedi Order, and the galaxy suffered the consequences. She has the heart of the Jedi, yes. But was she a Jedi, in how she acted and what responsibilities she accepted? One could argue technically not. I think that most people agree that the best Jedi, like Plo Koon, followed the will of the Force. And there is definitely an argument that when it counted most, Ashoka chose what she wanted(time to figure out her trust issues) over what the Force wanted, hurting Anakin deeply. You could argue that Ashoka turned her back on the galaxy when she withdrew from the galaxy at large, at a time when it needed protection from Sith. And you also could argue that Ashoka creating white Kyber Crystal's represents her turning back on the hate and passion that brought Anakin to the dark side as well as a Jedi's "sacred responsabilities" which exposed Anakin to situations that induce dark side hatred. She chose to be herself, which by her own admission, was neither Jedi or Sith. Not saying that is my position, but it does exist. So therefore, Yoda saying Luke was the last Jedi could be true, from a certain point of view. But I do think this discussion is more Grey than people are giving it credit for. Also there was beautiful poetry in how Ashoka helped Ezra along. I think it is some of the best in all of SW. Seeing a wounded Ashoka and a wounded Ezra helping heal each other's wounds made both Ezra and Ashoka much more powerful characters. This was an important lesson for both of them, and it was something they learned outside of their master's tutelage. It was an important step to Ezra becoming a mature Jedi and Ashoka becoming a mature Force-User.

[@lil_siberia1034]

She’s my second favourite character in all of Star Wars, second only to Luke Skywalker

[@gator7082]

I'm all about it and am glad Ahsoka continues her journey. I'm in in the I hope she gets a happy ending camp, that would actually be refreshing.

[@WLOUIS1024]

I’d like to see her go into the unknown regions meet force sensitives and become a master herself

[@moabman6803]

Agreed

[@chickenn.waffles1558]

The Unknown Region by itself could've been why Ezra and Ahsoka were gone in the original trilogy, because they somehow ended up stranded there, and in the Ahsoka series we get to see their adventures in a place we know very little about.

[@dozyproductionss]

She's my favorite character from th movies/shows. She needs to go somewhere but she doesn't need to die.

[@SDesWriter]

Okay about the post you read, Ahsoka doesn't create a pothole over Luke being told he's the last Jedi. Her walking away from the order is not just a technicality, she renounced all affiliation with the Jedi and doesn't teach their ways. She's just simply a force user who goes around doing what she thinks she should. Luke was the last Jedi and the last hope for the rebellion because Leia couldn't have been trained in a way capable of letting her fight against the emperor and Vader. Dumb argument.

[@MiloW456]

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

[@ashhawk7489]

I think people get a little to hung up on Asoka being trained as a jedi. She has made it clear many times she has left the jedi and is blaising her own path. While the Jedi and Sith get top billing there are many other force traditions in the EU and I would like to see the exploration of other traditions.

[@moabman6803]

Agreed

[@paveldatsyuk8268]

8:50 is exactly how i feel

[@arnaudgerard1971]

Will Ahsoka ever end, that is the question. Her story is fascinating - can it be improved or can it be squandered. For now, I'm still fascinated. Jedis, with the backing of the force might live hundreds of years. I hope she will continue to fascinate me for years to come. :)

[@Donnel4]

I think it's interesting to look at how Dave likens Ahsoka (after the world between worlds) to Gandalf (after he becomes Gandalf the White.) He compares the two a lot in interviews, from the look of her cloak to the way that she should've died, it fits well. If that comparison is to continue to be held, she will likely die after completing what she was brought back to do. The thing is, I'm not really sure exactly what that is. The most likely candidate is that she'll die in order to save Ezra, or soon after she does find him. I think that would work, but it would end up leaving us with Ezra, a character that doesn't really have anything to do or anything driving him forward in the narrative, especially when it comes bringing everything closer to the sequel trilogy era.

[@gnaryanus113001]

I can't believe how many people actually would rather her had died in rebels... and how many people think she messes with the timeline? When yoda says "the last of the Jedi will you be". He is technically officially the last of the Jedi as an order, Ahsoka clearly states, "she's no Jedi" her story is beautiful. Adds so much to Anakins character.

[@jsmith1371]

Honestly, I think Ahsoka was actually laying low during the events of the original trilogy, possibly processing a lot of the events especially pertaining to Anakin after discovering that he is in fact Vader, but that's a side note. I think she laid low during the original trilogy because she was technically dead and they won with out her. She seemed to really put emphasis on keeping the time line what it is, as shown with her being able to see that if Ezra pulled Kanan out of that moment they all would have died. Thus, I feel like she spent those years either reflecting/meditating on her past and her pain or exploring old Jedi ruins (which might be how she finds her staff that she has in the Rebels epilogue) in order to preserve the events of the original trilogy as they happened when she was "dead." As for Ahsoka dying at Vader's hand, I agree it would be poetic and really show how much Vader has suppressed Anakin and twisted his own past to only see the pain, loss, anger, betrayal, etc., but I also think that, the fact that Vader was giving the death blow right as Ezra pulled her out still provides this representation of Anakin's fall. He was still at the place where we was will and wanted to kill his old padawan, someone he loved as a sister who, Vader convinced himself, abandoned him.

[@Bubblepup]

I mean technically she isn't a Jedi, since she was expelled from the Jedi order. So what yoda said is still true (unless there was a comic or story saying otherwise)

[@chickenn.waffles1558]

4:58 "Darth Vader should've never been made into Luke's father, or should've been lying to Luke, because he's been a walking plot-hole ever since as Obi Wan told Luke that Vader killed his father." - Al Carbo, 1980

[@garrymoloney9570]

It’s kind of funny how a lot of comments seem to be David let attachment cloud his judgment, like someone else I could mention

[@kaganculliton2453]

I've got this idea I love for the Kenobi show BUT it revolves around Ahsoka I really want his show to be more personal drama than action adventure. I don't really expect that to be the case, but a girl can dream. Everything about Obi Wan's life is just so acutely tragic. He has lost everything: his home, his identity, his path in life, the world he grew up in, the world he fought for, everyone he had ever loved or connected with. And I wanna see all of that, especially the loneliness out in BFE hiding to protect himself and Luke because he has lost all other purpose. It's gone. All of it. So the series finds him miserable, but set in his mission to defend Luke And then he finds out that Ahsoka survived order 66, and he learns that he is no longer alone. He had an incredible connection built on many of the same experiences: being raised in the temple, learning the ways of the Jedi, defending the Republic, fighting in the Clone Wars But they also have a deeply personal connection I would love to see explored more. Obi Wan is the reason Ahsoka was Anakin's padawan in the first place. They are the two people in the world who loved him best. So Obi Wan finds himself at an impasse. He has a duty to Luke, but does he not have a duty to the Jedi to go and find her? A duty to Ahsoka herself? What is the honorable thing or the moral thing or the right thing? So Obi Wan battles with himself trying to figure out what he should do. (maybe chat it up with Qui-Gon) and he finally decides to go out and find her... And then he hears that she died in a duel with Vader, his Padawan and her Master. I just want tragic and upsetting things to happen to characters I love

[@TheMightyCookieShow]

My take. I love Ahsoka and am thrilled she's still around and kicking. BTW...Ahsoka was killed by Vader..in the sequel trilogy timeline...please baby Jesus make this the case.

[@rikk319]

I'm laughing at the people who complain about Ahsoka being in too much recent Star Wars stuff...but I bet they wouldn't complain about how much clone trooper stuff there is, or Darth Vader stuff. To each their own. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It wasn't made only for you and your approval.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Seems a lot of people wanted Ashoka’s story to end in Rebels by Vader’s hand. Admittedly it probably would’ve been fitting, but I’m also glad we’re still getting to see more of her. Either way I trust Dave and the people he surrounds and works with to continue her story and fill in the gaps hopefully with the upcoming series.

[@charemchavrutah]

I love the Ahsoka novel, and was thrilled when it showed her effectively achieve Jedi knighthood by passing what amounted to a Sith trial. I think killing her off in Rebels would have been easy, but would have diminished her apotheosis from the novel. I'd suppose her absence from the original trilogy is explained the same narrative way that Ezra's is: by giving her something to keep away from the Empire. Ezra was removed from the Galactic Civil War in order to remove Grand Admiral Thrawn from said war. If his intellect, and his Tie Defenders, had stayed in that universe, then the Rebel Alliance would not have stood a chance. Rebels explained Ezra's absence by having him keep Thrawn away. I would not be surprised if Ahsoka's absence revolves similarly around the World between Worlds. If Darth Sidious ever got a foothold on that plane, again, the rebels would be finished. Ahsoka thus spent the whole of the Original Trilogy keeping access to that plane away.

[@mauricerose3082]

...if anyone could survive a dual against Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker...aside from Obi-wan Kenobi...would be the Padawan of the Chosen One...

[@kylea.8120]

I think Vader killing Ahsoka would have been a fitting end to her story, however, because she didn’t die then, they should take the opportunity to tell good stories with her, however, I am cautiously optimistic because of recent character decisions by Disney.

[@christophergrant3596]

Give Ahsoka a HAPPY ENDING! Very few characters in Star Wars get one.

[@annus6544]

But, doesn’t Vader believe that he killed Ashoka? I think Dave found a way to still keep Ashoka around while simultaneously adding to Vaders tragedy.

[@isaacnorton6251]

I think you have a point, maybe at the time he thought she could have gotten away but after Obi-Wan seemingly disappears the same way I bet he would think she was dead

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

No, Vader saw Ahsoka suddenly disappear as he was about to swing at her head.

[@annus6544]

@@willfanofmanyii3751 But so did Obi Wan and Vader believes he died.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@annus6544 Because Vader actually hit him. Obi-Wan became a ghost upon his death.

[@annus6544]

@@willfanofmanyii3751 I’m pretty sure Obi Wan disappeared right before the blow… but I’m not sure

[@DS9TREK]

Star Wars is overall a depressing series, everyone dies in an unhappy way. Let Ashoka be a rare character who gets a happy ending. And in the mean time let's spend as much time with her as we can.

[@whitefanful]

To me Ashoka should have been written out a long time ago(Hell it seems the writers have been trying to do that but the fans won't stop demanding she come back.) with her getting a single mention or two so we get closure on where she was post clone wars (Should have been dead so no more plot holes come up from her.) Honestly every time they bring her back she feels less and less like the character she was introduced as in clone wars. when she left the order it was a good her arc had come to a close enough that a mention or a very brief one off and dies on screen in a heroic fashion scene would have ended it nicely. Instead they keep dragging her out cause fan demands and brand recognition changing her more and more each time. Like the Obi-wan series the Ashoka should does not need to exist and will in all likely hood ruin any and all character development they ever had.

[@SoundEngraver]

Ahsoka will never leave this shadow of Anakin Skywalker because Filoni's writing never permitted it. TCW Season 7 undid the chance of her truly redefining herself as separate from the Jedi. But now, Disney and Filoni have made her inherently linked to Anakin's story, including her involvement with his son. Because of this, she will be a continual problem in the narrative, and Luke will never quite be rid of her shadow in the stories following the Original Trilogy.

[@moabman6803]

Her ideals are different than Luke's. She has the goal of just helping people in the galaxy as she sees fit. Luke is set to start a new order. It seems she admires his goal in some way. But her plans are different. Luke fails anyway in the sequels so at this point she is the only one who can perhaps somehow save the entire plot of the chosen ones purpose.

[@SoundEngraver]

@@moabman6803 As Filoni prescribed.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

When is the Darth Nihilus video coming? Don't say in a couple of days.

[@thorskywalker]

I won't say a couple days because it might be a bit longer than that yet.