Hazbin Hotel Discourse is F*cking Dumb

[@IvellScarlett]

People use SA instead of sexual abuse because platforms like TikTok and KZbin flag and demonetize content for that. It is a form of self-censorship. The idea that teenagers started to believe that SA is the proper, politically correct term is dystopian. We are letting big tech change our language.

[@LilianOrchard]

I used the term "sexual assault" multiple times in this video and wasn't demonetized. I did an entire video about the Goth Incest Game and it went viral and made me a ton of money. The funniest part about tiktok is that despite how ridiculous and pervasive the censorship is, there's no evidence that any of it actually works. People get videos with allegedly suppressed words to go viral all the time. The practice of self-censorship was developed because people saw that their videos were flopping and assumed it was because they were getting shadowbanned for mature content rather than accept the reality that The Algorithm is random and unpredictable. A similar phenomenon happened on Twitter. People straight up believe they can't say words like "commission" or "fundraiser" or "auction" or else the algorithm will hide their posts from people, but the fact is people just tend to interact less with posts asking for money or advertising a product. Big tech didn't change your language. You changed it yourself. Mythology is not an ancient rock, but an ongoing unceasing river in the bloodstream of all humanity.

[@IvellScarlett]

@@LilianOrchard So people self-censorship for no good reason? That actually comes back back around to being funny. I am not a creator on the internet, so I just assumed there was at least something to claim that certain words got suppressed.

[@LilianOrchard]

@@IvellScarlettThe truth is most people don't know how the backend of these platforms work. All they know is their videos aren't getting views, and they blame shadowbanning instead of just the randomness of the algorithm. This is especially true for TikTok, which is 100% reliant on recommendations.

[@Exe19g]

​@@LilianOrchard This seems consistent with behavioral research - One of slightly less famous Skinner's experiment was setting the reward/punishment machine to fire at _random_ intervals - this lead to animals forming elaborate rituals, magically thinking their actions had effect on their rewards. Humans, being a social species compound on it: a single human can be simply mistaken, but if multiple humans share the same superstition then surely the workings of Fate/Gods/Algorithm must be at play.

[@JoshuaAntifa]

I also hate it when only the writen text is censored. Why should deaf people be deprived of seeing what the creator actually said? Why should deaf people be the victims of excess censorship?

[@IvyLikesToDraw]

The reasons I've heard about why Angel's abuse is fetishezed is the sex scene where Val and Angel are having it. It looks like Angel is enjoying it. Here's the reality of it. HE IS, and that's a part of it! My abuser and I had good moments, too. It's a RELATIONSHIP. You dont see physical abusers constantly hit their victim, do you?? And with sex involved, it's so much more complicated. A lot of people wanna force the "perfect victim" stereotype onto Angel, and he just isn't. He likes sex! He isn't scared of it. that's the truth, and people can't understand that victims are more complicated than bad sex = never want sex again.

[@LilianOrchard]

Same holds true for me. In talking about the peer who sexually abused me, it was a sexual relationship I was coerced into. And when dealing with the 'hot and cold' aspect of abuse, there were times I was enjoying what we had, as much as I was a prisoner to this person being held in place by blackmail. But that fact would no doubt be used against me if I tried coming forward about it, even if I wanted to. Hell when it ended I was genuinely wondering if I'd done something wrong. I didn't fully recover from it for another twelve years. People are complicated and abuse is as pervasive as it is because our reactions to it can often make no sense to outsiders, and we have to stop treating abuse victims as either fragile smol beans or evil abusers tainted by their experiences.

[@IvyLikesToDraw]

​@Lily_Orchard I know exactly how you feel. I can honestly say I miss my abuser and what we had even though I know he was bad for me. The uwu-ification of Angel dust is something I've seen happen since the pilot. It's actually why I was against Huskerdust or any Angel ship, for so long up until the show because everyone babied Angel and wrote him as if he couldn't function without a good man in his life to show him a better life. It pisses me off so much he's more then the men in his life like wtf. I like to joke and say he got the woman treatment because that's exactly how a lot of women are written.

[@k1productions87]

Unintentionally enjoying aspects of the abuse is an unfortunate (and often inescapable) part of the whole problem, and what makes it so traumatic and damaging to one's psyche. If its not bad enough that someone is being taken advantage of and forced to do something they don't want, the fact it feels good gives the victim a sense of self-loathing that they allowed themselves to enjoy it in the first place. This has the side effect of painting themselves as the bad guy, rather than the true bad guy who forced them into it, and one of the many MANY reasons why it is so dangerous. It certainly doesn't help that sexual desire is almost instinctual (for most people anyway), so when those wants begin to surface, the trauma immediately links it to the horrible experience, thus reinforcing the idea that they somehow "deserve" the abuse to continue, rather than acknowledging how it damaged them. That it is their fault BECAUSE they're damaged, rather than realizing WHO actually caused the damage in the first place. Yes, there is definitely a lot more to it than that, and there are no doubt man things I am missing, but this is a topic that deserves massive books and not just singular paragraphs.

[@fizzpop8491]

Exactly! You can still be assaulted or abused even if you get aroused. A lot of ppl pretend you cannot, or in my abusive ex’s case are actively denying it to manipulate their victim (or victims in general)

[@luistrejo3326]

@@LilianOrchardYikes 😨

[@grahm5643]

The idea that angel dusts abuse is fetishized just seems like a take youd only find on twitter from someone whos only seen the scenes where "SEX IS HAPPENING" as opposed to free other miriad of scenes where they're pretty blatantly forced into it. Also the implication that alastor just has several demons collectively going "What the fuck do you want this time" every time they do their little symbol spam thing is funnier than the reality.

[@depressedrocksenjoyer9472]

I guess Alastor is a lesser evil compared to Valentino (not a really high bar) and I just find it hard to sympathize with Husk considering he too once toyed with the souls which he owned until Alastor practically slapped him back to reality

[@vespovich]

It's because the person who worked on those scenes openly has a r*pe fetish and Vivziepop defended them

[@arkorat3239]

He pings everyone, every time he does something cool. "Watch me scare the staff, you guys." "She took the deal, she fell for it! Everyone come see this!"

[@toomanyfandoms1684]

Poison makes me uncomfortable and I am glad it does. There is a point to it.

[@DerTeeSäufer]

Of course

[@keithharrissuwignjo2460]

After I heard it the first time I just...Don't want to listen to it for a while

[@falconeshield]

​​@@keithharrissuwignjo2460When you realise the background of the dance scene is showing what is ACTUALLY happening to Angel as he disassociates (spelt out in the beginning of the song) as he dances with the backup dancers whom are shadows.....woof. Hard to rewatch.

[@scarletgamingstudio]

The coffin of Andy and Lele should take notes, maybe then I would respect it more and treat it better than just a joke same with the movie series Terrifier. I'm so glad my bf and I both backed out from watching one of those movies and he was actively checking on me to make sure I wasn't getting traumatized by a film that has extreme gore and probably so so much more graphic content.

[@Gyrono]

Dumbies: "Story-boarders can get their weird fetishes past upper management" Me remembering Alex Hirsch having to fight tooth and nail just to get some of his tamest jokes in Gravity Falls past censor boards: "Are you sure about that?"

[@sketchyscars2482]

12:35 - This right here! Yknow, as a sex repulsed asexual who has posititve views on sex, I'm so glad you showed this chart! I thought it was strange for me to be okay talking about sex, but not okay participating in it- I kinda wish more people talked about this

[@AnnoyingSquib]

It may have something to do with ace people having trouble meeting with like minded ace people. That and media in the past playing it off like an ace person is merely oblivious to subjects involving love bordering on denial that being ace is actually a thing. I see you though. Don't let any situation or person tell you how to feel about your body or how to love. You know yourself best.

[@sketchyscars2482]

@@AnnoyingSquib Omg you're such a sweetie, thank you! Tbh I'm just blessed to have a caring boyfriend that accepts me as I am- And he was there for most of the journey I had figuring out how I felt

[@ivoryphoenix7]

It’s not strange at all, but I can understand people’s confusion about it. The term has changed a bit from what it used to mean with the creation of charts like this. However, talking about sex and actually participating in it are 2 different things. I consider myself sex-averse but sex-positive. No way I want to be involved in it, but I’m not going to judge how other people do it as long as it’s safe/consensual.

[@anbellfox]

​@@AnnoyingSquib This may not have been pointed at me, but It's kinda comforting. I'm a baby Ace. I only recently figured it out, It Was hard at first trying to figure out a feeling you don't have. I hope soon I meet someone irl That's Ace too. Anyway, thanks And as a ace i support that message!

[@aspengreen4319]

Please look up what this creator has done.

[@isaiahcarter8848]

SO GLAD U SAID THIS ABOUT ALASTOR Fans of this show HATE criticizing this show, and alastor is the worst case of this because he’s the fan favorite, it pisses me off to an inhuman degree that people think alastor is above criticism

[@AMercenary...Withaheart]

To be fair, as a fan of this show, Alastor's writing is bland & overall mid. He's just so entertaining to watch, and that's all his character offers. He may be interesting for sure, but he falls OFF compared to the other characters' stellar writing. Angel Dust is portrayed as a victim of the sad reality of the effects byproducted by decisions, his whole character is all about making the right & correct choices, because sometimes, the effects are permanent & may affect your overall life, and you just can't take it back. The lesson I mentioned above can also apply to Husker. Lucifer is a complex character & a correct representation of a man with guilt & depression. I just heard from genuinely (and diagnosed) depressed people that they like how Lucifer is a realistic take on guilt & depression. Of course, there are times I feel extremely depressed or constantly guilt, (I had multiple suid*cal thoughts), I'm not depressed or anything mental whatever, but I really feel Lucifer.It's odd how fictional characters usually mess up about the portrayal of shame & constant sorrow, they usually portray this as either an "emo" person with negative emotions 24/7 or the really cringy "Outside I'm smiling, inside I'm dying" take. Despite Lucifer being a fictional Angel, he feels like the most realistic human with genuine emotions to me. Whereas Alastor is just... Funny? Interesting? Intimidating? Don't get me wrong, I extremely love him (he's my 3rd favorite character in the series, just below Adam & Lucifer), but he's not well-written or anything to offer new to the table...

[@VoltFall]

​@AMercenary...Withaheart a very valid argukent ngl

[@falconeshield]

I love Alastor but yeah in 2019 he was Tumblr sexy man and I can't take him seriously over that

[@Prince__Teclis]

Sweet honking Christ, that psa tentacle thing actually made my skin crawl.

[@ariawen8476]

Same! I couldn't fall asleep after seeing it. Yeck.

[@longlizard3336]

I actually had to pause and think for a little bit

[@sunbeampaintings1744]

i find the "Angel's Abuse is fetishized" argument so fucking bizarre. Because I can't imagine having watched that episode and not feeling viscerally uncomfortable. I watched it with my brother and he is not the kind of person to be uncomfortable with SA scenes (unlike me, i have refused to watch multiple shows because I knew it heavily featured it and I didn't want to do that to myself) and after that episode he asked if we could take a break. If someone that is pretty far removed from having any trauma with SA got SO uncomfortable with the depiction Hazbin Hotel had, I really can't see how anyone saw that and sat there like "yup, this is fetishising" It's absolutely baffling to me.

[@cassidyarnold505]

Yes

[@perronhoskins3429]

As a sex worker, i just say it just like that. "Im a sex worker" just like a mf would say "i work at subway"

[@k1productions87]

I find it frustrating that people treat sex workers as some downfall of society, yet treat swingers clubs as just "adults doing adult things" Doesn't the fact that its sex work already imply that its in the best interest of both the worker and the boss that the worker remain healthy and protected? After all, you can't get more profit from a worker if they can't work, right? At least, that's my impression of things. I imagine it would be far safer to engage with a sex worker than some random woman at a bar.

[@k1productions87]

Well, I attribute no shame toward someone who chooses to work in the sex industry. So long as it IS their choice.

[@LilianOrchard]

@k1productions87 Does this imply you *would* shame someone who was forced into it?

[@k1productions87]

@@LilianOrchard No, of course not. The shame would be squarely on the one who forced them into it. So there would be shame involved. But someone who treats their workers with respect and is equitable, I have no problem with them. Stupid English language and its backward way of "implying" things even if such implications are never meant (or even considered. Honestly, that thought never even entered my brain when I originally typed it)

[@XainRussell]

Over the last few years I’ve been slowly coming to the realization that the belief that “Being Subtle” is an imperative that all stories must adhere to is this weird defense mechanism people use to not want to think that hard about the media they consume. If something is up to interpretation, it leaves them an opening to either push their opinions or deny someone else’s. When I went to see the Barbie movie last year, my friend insisted that it was unnecessary for the characters to spell out in plain English their feelings about all the struggles and expectations they are forced into because of their gender. And I told him that the fact that there were reactionaries decrying the movie as “woke” and “destructively feminist” and “men hating” was exactly the reason WHY subtlety had to be thrown out the window, because there are still idiots out there who don’t get it. Also, I’ve never seen a PSA that made me want to boil my skin with how gross I felt watching it. God damn was that effective.

[@Tiggster-qr8mw]

I'm not afraid to say it. I'm one of those idiots who doesn't get it. I watched Barbie and came away from it scratching my head. It felt like the writers never decided what they actually wanted to say, but wanted to say something, so the film ended up feeling like a mess to me. It's also true that I lack the capacity for critical thinking.

[@lordjj2549]

Another night of blissfull sleep knowing I'll never have a twitter account. edit: also btw Lilly I've previously asked you to read worm, after some thought I've realised that it would probably be a bad idea, given some of your triggers. So disregard those comments.

[@fluffycorn_0wO]

You can say that again, cause I’m jotting down my 102947926th reason why I ain’t ever getting twitter!

[@androxtempest3913]

Same. i mean, i do have a Twitter account. i just dont use it often

[@iActuallyLiveinUtah]

I'm your 100th like.

[@mj91212]

Yup, never used Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, Instagram or anything else.

[@ReptarKingOfMeat]

I had one but never used it. I've always disliked the way Twitter works and the whole X change/Elon drama gave me a reasons to go in and finally delete it for good.

[@gilwags]

Idiots keeps moaning but I love it when lgbtq+ characters get to have boring, vanilla relationships and stories. Vaggie and Charlie being cute and chill gives me so much joy. I similarly love "heartstopper" for letting Elle have the most boring "I'm in love with my best friend" teen drama story. Lgbtq+ characters deserve to have boring cookie cutter stories too and I will always be happy about seeing more of them

[@athenapromachos3027]

We deserve more of all of it! We want boring, cute vanilla romance, trashy novels, and all the fun stuff! Crumbs are all we've had for so damn long.

[@mcmuffinbooper2333]

It feels like LGBT+ rep always gets held up to some way harsher standard by both minorities and bigots alike and it's so weird. You have to have your rep fall in this super specific niche or else it's considered problematic/bad If you go more safe/vanilla, you're sanitizing or infantilizing If your gays(saying gay as a general term) have a sex drive, you're fetishizing If your gays are villains or just not the best people, you're demonizing/villainizing You can't win at this cuz everyone expects non cishet rep to always be perfect. Your media and characters can't even be average or mid without complaints

[@madelinehutchinson]

Freaking love Tao and Elle from heartstopper. Yeah story itself doesn’t have to be complex or crazy as long as it’s charming and the actors have the right energy

[@falconeshield]

I'd love for them to have been a tad more affectionate esp the night before the attack (just Charlie giving bigger heart eyes to Vag after seeing Pentouse making his move on Cherry) but honestly? 'Boring', 'vanilla' Chaggie was so sweet.

[@moonoftheblood]

YES!!!!!!! Some LGBT+ people WANT to see cliche soft wholesome LGBT+ relationships. Sometimes that's fun!! That's what I look for in fanfiction!!!

[@Flaremc26]

For Alastor I have always said they should have made his character around Lovecraft mythos. Heck you could still have the antlers as there are lovecraftian monsters with horns and antlers. Plus lovecraft horror often dealt with the fear of the unknown, so you could still have the creepy and mysteriousness of his character. I mean he already uses tentacles to attack and eats animals skin that sounds like a lovecraftian monster already.

[@plantainsame2049]

I'm fairly certain that the antlers are personal to him because they have to do with his death Nothing to do with his supposed connections to voodoo Plus apparently hell forms are something meant to make you suffer a little bit So the big bad serial killer is a deer a prey animal

[@plantainsame2049]

@wisdommanari6701 Not Yet but the show has only had eight episodes so far soo Not everything is already been revealed in the show

[@EndertheDragon0922]

Oh that’d be so fitting for him!

[@falconeshield]

You also have the bonus of having Lovecraft being both public domain and dead.

[@CybeargPlays]

24:00 Not to mention the episode has a clear trigger warning about its content. That’s what trigger warnings are for: for those who can’t handle the themes to stop watching or skip. Hell, the show could have had a completely exploitive and explicit abusive sex scene played for sexual arousal, but as long as they put up an accurate trigger warning, it’s on the viewer to choose to go no further, not on the artist to censor their vision.

[@djaurm]

Hello. My name is Aurm. On my KZbin channel, you can find my original music that might interest you. You are welcome to use it for FREE in your videos

[@2873surabi]

In all honesty I mentally checked out / blacked out after the psa and anything said after was lost. I'll have to rewatch the rest at a later date.

[@LilianOrchard]

Understandable

[@leviHeichou]

Damn that tentacle thing was uncomfortable. Really bringing the point across even for people who never experienced something like that.

[@djaurm]

Hello. My name is Aurm. On my KZbin channel, you can find my original music that might interest you. You are welcome to use it for FREE in your videos

[@makishimirian4026]

People tie so much of their self-worth to the media they consume, that any criticism, no matter how valid or constructive is seen as a personal attack. Unless we learn to accept that liking flawed things is perfectly fine, as long as we acknowledge the flaws, I don't see the discourse surrounding media getting better.

[@Randomyoutuber-4831]

It's not just that, I feel that some people go out of their way to not only viscously insult works they don't like but also decry fans of that work as being morally bankrupt and even attacking the creator directly. Vivziepop has been labeled as a gay fetishizer, a transphobe, and even a neo nazi on baseless twitter claims borne because some people don't like her writing decisions.

[@johnsimon8457]

Are these just immature teenagers or people with boring lives who have nothing going for them or are they addicted to internet drama just to feel anything or what? What’s the root cause of all of this?

[@TheGamingKidNetwork]

that part where you talk about art being direct in it's subject matter was my favorite part of the video. cause that PSA really did it's job and overall what you said about how some people don't want that directness in the art they enjoy, cause it reminds them how art and the real world are both connected really resonated with me, cause I hate it when people avoid such directness in their work.

[@k1productions87]

Its worse when the art they enjoy defined itself on its directness, only for the fans to turn around years later with its newer releases and say "how dare you be direct?" Like the "Keep politics out of Star Trek" crowd. I'm sorry, what? What show were YOU watching? LOL

[@Silver01Son]

I agree sometimes art needs to be more direct to get it's point further across.

[@fyran6453]

*why tf do you have blackwashed peach? (if it's instead your oc wearing peach's outfit, then i'm sorry for giving the blame on you)*

[@MafuyuOribe]

I'm so glad someone has a brain for once, angel portrays his sexual abuse by pretending he's into it, or pretending he's really sexual. I know people who do this, hell I do this, people online act like they know what they're talking about just because they had a different experience with something.

[@mackenziewoloschuk7375]

From what I've heard from others, some SA survivors actually WOULD act like that as a way to regain some level of control. They don't end up sexually repulsed all the time, they try anything they can to get that back into their hands. Some form of catharsis from what I've heard. Again, it's like a spectrum. Some get repulsed, some work to regain their sexuality, and some don't give a shit. So while Angel's song Poison could be seen as him lying to himself about enjoying it, it could just as much be about him trying to convince himself that he's strong by pushing himself to do this. I'm gonna stop cuz this is already too long and I'm tired and starting to forget where I was probably going with this lol

[@infinessia4019]

Lily was on fire in this video, she was dropping so many hottakes that my head was spinning by the end where it left me to think over soooo many biases and perspectives I’ve never considered or knew about. Great job as always!

[@k1productions87]

That is what proper discourse is. When one allows themselves to re-examine their own takes and see if what they originally thought was actually true or based on bias in the first place. So many utterly refuse to do this, and it what makes discourse so frustrating.

[@siei3i37]

you mean "he"

[@LilianOrchard]

@doodletron65b74 It's She

[@infinessia4019]

@@siei3i37oop I found the troll 😂

[@siei3i37]

@@infinessia4019 I'm not trolling that's a straight up grown man

[@Bexided]

You have no idea how much I love this video. Every word that you uttered was just facts after facts after facts. You are incredibly good at articulating your points. I wish I could send this video to the entire internet. Thank you for putting this out there.

[@EndertheDragon0922]

As someone who’s been raped I really liked how the show handled Angel and I’m glad people like you are talking about that. I’m personally sex-repulsed but not everyone is! It’s important to have varied representations for things like this. There’s nothing “wrong” with Angel for being hypersexual after what happened to him, it doesn’t mean he “deserved” it or “wanted” it and it doesn’t mean he’s a “fetishized” depiction. It’s sad people are trying to say that. However I did find it wildly uncomfortable how after handling Angel so well, they then made a rape joke with Pentious, with the “I’m having sex with everyone!” Where he got dragged away _clearly distressed and withdrawing his consent_ and it’s played off for laughs. He got raped! No ifs or maybes. There was no room for interpretation there. He got dragged away unwillingly into the sex room and raped by multiple people and the show treated it like a throwaway joke. Cherri didn’t do anything to help him, nor did Angel, who you’d think would be affected by that considering he’s also been through that! It’s so bizarre how that came from the very same show that had Masquerade and it’s amazing handling of the subject matter. I found that joke distressing since Pentious is my favorite character and he deserved better than to be treated as a living punchline since the show literally never takes him seriously. In general I just really hated the Pentious x Cherri attempt because she doesn’t care about him until Angel says he might have two penises, which feels pretty objectifying if you ask me- she’s only interested in him for his dick(s)! I hope they handle him better in future seasons. It’s honestly surprising I don’t see more people talking about that.

[@MommaDusk]

I was getting recommended videos that were calling you a terrible person and couldn't figure out why they were so prevalent. Your line about being Twitter's bad guy if the day hit the nail on the head. As for the rest of the video, amazingly well done. That was pretty much my entire takeaway of the discourse and I haven't even finished the show yet.

[@JoshuaAntifa]

"You have to be subtle and only hint at what the characters are feeling!" the brain genius thought while watching the animated musical.

[@mikailaturkleson7472]

Lily detailed what she wanted for the credits image and I was like "That's so fucked up! I'm on it! ^w^" Fr tho, Sunshine. You tackled all the major talking points about HH's discourse as handily as I've ever seen it tackled. Discussing what people are saying and why they're saying it with each point. You remain to this day one of the best critics I've ever known. Also, yes. Lily and I are going through Digimon for a video and hearing what Hosoda said about Tai and Kari in his interviews is soul crushing. KEEP YOUR MITTS OFF MY BABIES!

[@wakawakatakeover]

Gotta admit. Kinda excited to see this video come out! However at the same time, I am absolutely terrified of this video coming out! I only watched the Tamers series from Digimon, but BOY HOWDY am I always eager to see Lily discuss things that I haven't ever really watched before! And if you're going to be part of that video too (even if only to keep Lily from losing her shit while reading these interviews), that's delightful to hear!

[@elizabeths.3307]

Spot on about "the death of media literacy" not being a recent development

[@mikandstuff3119]

About Charlie and Vaggie, i feel like fandom just can’t handle anything that isn’t sexual, wether it’s a relationship or character. Alastor is probably a big example of this, people either intentionally ignore or deny the fact that he was confirmed to be AroAce in the seventh episode, yet people proceed to ship him with any character and fetishise him. The dude don’t want that! (It’s also weird that people find him “cute.”)

[@you_are_being_judged]

I mean shippers of any fandom don't really care about characters' sexuality or dynamics, they just smash their heads like dolls and make them kiss.

[@sharonoddlyenough]

One-sided Vox x Alistor is hilarious, though

[@mikandstuff3119]

@@sharonoddlyenough I mean it’s fine since it’s fictional but you still need an understanding of Alastor’s sexuality and that it can’t happen in canon (Yet shippers refuse to do so)

[@sharonoddlyenough]

@@mikandstuff3119 yes, I agree.

[@sharonoddlyenough]

I just found two good ships for Alistor: Alistor x microphone and Alistor x Alastor's shadow

[@kingpagie]

The only thing I'll push back against is the Charlie x Vaggie arguments. It may be true that many people ask for friction and spice, and I think that's weird. Meanwhile, I wanted more fluff and sugar. I needed them to be more lubby duvvy. I wanted them to call each other pookie-bear and give each other soft kisses and cuddle with each other. Gay people being happy makes me happy.

[@Abble_vs_the_world_]

Same. Gay couples are so adorably wholesome!🥰🥰🥰 We need more cute gay couples in media!🥰🥰🥰

[@evobrand1210]

exactly! I don't want them to have problems, I just want more of them working well

[@Lizzardthething]

How I sleep knowing drama is stupid and I get to ignore more of it tomorrow:😌

[@pkmnherofan22]

I’ve mentioned before that I used to have “friends” who demanded I apologize for being wrong about Steven universe and the nice thing about having friends that are actually mature and reasonable people is that they don’t act like I’m some kind of monster for disagreeing about something they don’t like. A friend of mine is a rape survivor and Hazbin makes them uncomfortable? They just prefer we don’t talk about it in the server too much and that’s it! It’s not a big deal. Excellent video about the KZbin content mill. Stuff like this makes me more conscious when I’m falling into a spiral of content like that like with that guy being wrong about Godzilla. How many video essays does that topic really need?

[@Ani_Musician]

Lily cooked, humans breathe air, all is as expected. Wasn't even expecting this video, given how fairly definitive the other one was, but I will gladly take extra food 4:59 - I commented last time that Alastor was likely inspired by the Voodoo guy from Princess & the Frog as a joke. I didn't think that was real The "Loser Baby" at the end is used so fucking perfectly, I adore it

[@therealopaartist]

I’m personally an asexual who doesn’t care what other people do betwtitch their sheets (as long as it consensual) even if I have the libido of a rock and am sex repulsed. I find people attractive purely on a romantic and physical level, not sexual. Like “huh they’re really good looking.” But no sexual feelings at all.

[@foxpro3002]

Ha! Same here!!!!

[@Magic-np1ws]

Seeing people angry about Angel liking sex after being constantly raped is so discouraging as a person under the Asexual umbrella. Rape isn't ubiquitous with an aversion or apathy for sex. People, ESPECIALLY in LGBTQ spaces, glorify sex so much that people who don't prioritize it the way they do must be "wrong" or "broken" in some way. Which just goes to put not only rape victims and asexual folk, but themselves, in a box. With Alastor getting a quick implication of being ace, I really hope that future seasons can expand on this difference. While I don't love that one of the only characters that has a purposeful implication of asexuality is a psychopathic serial killer (cough, wrong or broken, cough), I really think a positive conversation could come out of featuring the differences between him and Angel.

[@Gerald22222]

Me: I like hazbin hotel Twitter: and I took that personally.

[@Matthewgaming20]

More like when Twitter sees anyone like anything on the internet

[@elyssame6952]

I have some googling to do. I also thought that voodo was like mythology not an active religion

[@Renisanxious]

As someone who is Gen Z, i appreciate you bringing up the over censoring of words like suicide and rape. I understand most people use censors because they have to, but the fact that they do have to is so fucked. We need to use the proper words for things, especially serious topics like abuse

[@Mostimpressiveindeed]

I find it gratifying that I am not alone in thinking that Dr. Facilier felt vestigial to the entire movie. It felt to me that anything he did was in tangent to the plot rather than in tandem with it.

[@OlaAremu]

The sir pentious edit over the doctor's death scene made me lose it 😂

[@thequestingbunny]

That PSA made me squirm in my chair. First time seeing it. As a survivor of CSA from family, that's. Holy shit. That is EXACTLY what that feels like. Goddamn. ...thank you for this video. Ever since you announced it, I've been looking forward to it.

[@Angel-Dust-The-Prostitute]

19:50 it's so "impolite to discuss it" I can't even recant my own traumas I had IRL on a youtube comment, youtube straight up deletes it due to how much detail is needed to go into that "this happened, this is how it happened, it didn't feel right, I lost half of my adult years due to it and this is how from the age of 18, I'm 27 now and I still don't feel... safe..."

[@herebyaccident5174]

The only valid criticism of angel dust I've seen is a sex worker talking about how sex workers in media are almost always shown suffering. She recognized that this story was done well and respectfully bur just wanted sex workers to be allowed to be in a story without suffering.

[@keinname1896]

Okay, so, call me dumb, ignorant about minority religions and I've never seen princess and the frog, but those vodoo-references went right over my head, while making a very precious woosh sound. Like, Alastor was a bog standard "white" dude to me. Swing era radio host or something. Well, the more you know. Also, once more I'm so glad that I don't have twitter.

[@untitled-gv3qp]

Apart from the symbols and him sitting in a swamp once there's not much to indicate he's supposed to be doing voodoo or that he's inspired by dr facillie. I think he said something that hinted at him being from the south in the pilot but it wasn't anything concrete. A lot of people think he portrays lovecraftian horror more and I kinda do too. The tentacles, green magic, and him turning into a giant man eating monster just screams cthulu.

[@lettuceman9439]

Don't worry to much since Lily either ignored the Big Catholic Cross attached to modern Vodou in Haiti. (For Context, Vodou is snycretic with Catholicism with Majority of Haitian Vodou practitioners being Catholics themselves using Catholic liturgy and Saints for prayers)

[@beautystitches2342]

"the conversation is uncomfortable and therefore impolite to discuss it" My mom was born and raised in Suriname. When she was a child, it was common for children to be sexually assaulted by adults. Whenever a kid tries to bring it up with their folks, the child would be ignored, the adult wouldn't believe them or, in some extreme cases, the child would be punished for bringing up something so "inappropriate." The only thing kids could do is warn each other about any adults that sexually abused them. Sadly, this was kind of passed down as generational trauma, but in a different way. I'm certain that if I was sexually assaulted by an adult when I was a kid and brought it up with my mom, she would do something about it. However, she was an adult that did not listen to her kids. She believed that our thoughts and feelings didn't matter at the time, so any anger and sadness we felt was something we should just get over. **BONUS** During the slave trade, Suriname (which was called Dutch Guiana at the time) was notorious for being one of the most horrible places for slaves in the entire world. Like, slaves elsewhere were threatened by slaveowners that they'll send them to this place if they were not obedient. Dealing with the generational trauma of that is not fun, let me tell you.

[@Iquey]

I never thought my english classes in highschool about doing Literary Analysis essays were gonna be so damn important 15 years later.

[@GraveyardMaiden]

As a gen Z I want to clarify the reason why we say SA, instead of sexual assault, is due to censorship on a lot of platforms we use, because corporates will flag and remove our content

[@LilianOrchard]

That censorship is proven to not be that extreme. Case in point: I said sexual assault multiple times in this video

[@GraveyardMaiden]

@@LilianOrchard more so on Tik Tok and as well as social media sites own by Zuckerberg gets you flagged when you say rape and sexual assault. KZbin is a little looser but still a hag to deal with

[@NibbleBiscuit64]

The worst discourse of Hazbin Hotel is how a person got bullied to commit suicide over their opinions of a ship.

[@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks]

yikes,this is why I hate shipping,people love to cyberbully other fans over a ship

[@NibbleBiscuit64]

@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks There was a document detailing the incident that got removed from Twitter/X but some were able to save said document over this isn't something to blind eye. What's worse is that some of the HH/HB/Viv community is tearing the documented truth as a lie. Like saying the person never died when really they did die over the bullying and harassment they got.

[@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks]

@@NibbleBiscuit64 that's just so awful :'(

[@sweethearts370]

@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks that’s horrible! Could you tell the name of the documentary please?

[@KaagKagamine5]

The craziest take on Angel was someone making the argument he represented an entire group of people when is clearly written to be ONE case minding it's own business that also happens to resemble some really gross practices that are still done in some places.

[@TrueAryador]

Came for an overall critic of Hazbin hotel, comes out with a critic of internet's discourse's quality. You know what ? Fair enough.

[@snivybomb]

The PSA reminded me of a dutch government advertisement which consists of a call from a scared woman calling the dutch emergency number where she orders a pizza. The man answering first is confused but asks if there is an emergency going on, at which she says yes. Through a few yes or no questions it is shown that there is someone (presumably a spouse or other loved one) in her home and is insinuated to have abused her. It is a very well crafted clip. The dutch household violence hotline has a lot of very well crafted and hardhitting clips like that. It's nice to see other countries have these, as I as a young(er) child became a lot more aware of household violence due to those advertisements. Hopefully it did the same for others. (for those that wish to watch it the title is: 'Campagne Huiselijk Geweld 2015')

[@requiem6465]

FUCK YES YOU LIKE DARKSIDERS TOO?! Edit: Dear god that PSA actually made me queasy. That's a damn good PSA.

[@AliaaImad]

I'M SORRY TAI AND KARI ARE WHAT??!!

[@kitsune1678]

one of the directors is really weird just ignore they interview

[@Abble_vs_the_world_]

One more thing to add to my list of: "Why I don't like Digimon:"

[@screamingwhales4031]

yeah...y e a h. everyone j collectively ignores those interviews.

[@AliaaImad]

@@screamingwhales4031 I wish I could erase this from my memory.

[@dand1253]

With Alastor and Vodoun, hearing about the fuckup made me want to see if anything could be done to salvage the idea, which I'm guessing is well intentioned but insensitive on my part - I know next to nothing about Vodoun, so the possibility of someone using the actual mythology and orthopraxis of the RL religion to tell a story in a mainstream property is almost inherently exciting to me. Which is where I then cringe at myself, because that kind of feels like I'm treating a much-maligned religious faith which has weathered centuries of imperial extermination attempts like a particularly intriguing & obscure vintage of wine at a soiree.

[@WordAlchemist5362]

I always thought Dr. Facilier was pretty cool. I was mistaken; it’s Keith David that’s pretty cool.

[@saraolt]

There’s a lot of media I don’t watch because I know it has a sad ending, or because it’s brutal. That doesn’t mean I think it’s bad media, I just know to pick media tailored to the escapism I want to have…? I feel like a lot of this is linked to trigger warnings, but backwards. A piece of media that deals with something triggering should have a trigger warning on it, but if you ignore that trigger warning it’s on you to handle yourself…? Omori is a game that has a trigger warning for suicide/self harm, and pretty early on in the game it has you mechanically kill yourself to progress the story. Yeah, it upset me, but it’s on ME to handle my reaction to it when the game *told me I’d have to deal with these topics*. It’s all in all a very respectful game and narrative, and it depicts a brutal topic brutally.

[@Goldenevil91]

I kinda stopped years ago looking into fandoms to any critical analysis. There are a lot of people who focus more on ideas in series or potential they have and care very little about what's actually in the show or movie or any other piece of media. Hazbin Hotel has writing problems that I can narrow down to - Hazbin Hotel could have more efficiently used its limited time, maybe could use some more redrafting/move some stuff to next season when they are more relevant.

[@Mariomoc]

Also I completely agree with the Angel one. I have such a love hate relationship with episode four because this is the best written form of Sexual Assault I've seen in a while (in my opinion, that being said I don't see it often in media since I usually actively try to avoid the topic for my own mental health.) It's very well written and I knew what I was getting into as soon as the trailer to Hazbin Hotel came out. But it's also the only one I haven't been able to rewatch since it had me feeling so physically sick I had to stop multiple times just to calm myself down. The parts with Husk and Angel (More specifically Loser, Baby) made me so happy, which kind of sucks because so much as thinking of rewatching the episode makes me feel really drained

[@Mariomoc]

Okay but you mentioned Digimon and I've been wanting to talk about how asinine Ty's parents are like. They left their children at home all day for work (While one is horribly sick and their older sibling isn't even a teenager yet.) The little boy wants to go out and play so he takes his sister outside with him instead of abandoning her (which most little kids who wanted to play would've) and even played WITH her, she got worse which okay sure he's kind of at fault for but this is a CHILD who probably has little to no knowledge of how sickness works. They're in the hospital and Ty is literally panicking hoping she's okay and what does the mom decide to do?? Slap him !!! YAY When Kari (I think that's her name sorry it's been a while) gets sick you see how much this event affected him. Without his parent's emotional support the guilt and regret from this situation just got worse to the point he had a literal mental breakdown when he couldn't find medicine for her cold while they were in the Digimon world. My sibling mentioned this when I was writing this but their parents left Kari alone for MONTHS until she was dragged into the Digimon world (She's EIGHT YEARS OLD) thinking Ty would leave summer camp early to take care of her. (He's ten HES TEN) This sort of shit is what leads older siblings to resent their younger siblings and Ty's parents are lucky it didn't happen to Ty and Kari instead it just led to Ty having trauma and feeling a strong sense of guilt and protectiveness if she so much as catches a cold (Sorry if I got any of the names, events wrong I just remember being really really upset about this when I was young and both my siblings remembered this nearly the same way I did. I'll take the comment down when I rewatch this or if anyone corrects me sorry)

[@doe9000]

12:35 oh my GOD, it took me SO long to realize that being solely aro was possible (without being ace). And it took me even longer to realize that I was specifically aego (which is like high libido, except you don't actually wanna participate or even imagine yourself in that scenario). The fact that this is even remotely possible is wild to me. We are so weird and so cool

[@Alexis_Idfk]

I wasn’t SA’ed in the typical sense, I willingly walked into it knowing what it could bring, I was having sex for money, I knew what I was having wasn’t romantical, I knew everything, I did for the money, because at the time, me and my family were financially struggling, for multiple reasons, so I as a 14 year old, I know it was bad, but I felt like there was no choice other than starve or do that, so I had sex for money, and god did that wreck my image of self, nowadays I am fine, most of the time, I’ve earned back my pride, but the angel scene did make me uncomfortable, a lot, it was painful to watch, but NEVER would I dare to think it was fetishised, because, not to say it’s the same, but like me, he walked into that willingly, but didn’t know the full repercussions of giving that power to a person or multiple. You can see the abuse not only impacting his self esteem, but his actions, hypersexuality, sexualising himself and although it being a painful relationship, enjoying it from time to time, cause that’s what SA can present itself as, some people become avert to sex, but some indulge in it, for different reasons, so never ever say something is fetishised until you know every perspective and every way abuse can present itself as, basically, before you judge, maybe crack open a book, surf the web and do your research, cause blindly attacking something cause you feel like what you’re saying is the truth is plain uneducated waste of everyones time.

[@somedude1561]

The concept that a gay couple can be "not horny enough" to please an audience is honestly baffling to me. I honestly think it's better that way. Now I will say, this idea is kind of dependent on the writing of the rest of the show, but generally I don't see the problem with just having a purely romantic relation that also happens to be LGBT and not have any explicit scenes or implications. I find the "Haha I'm so horny" behavior really annoying. I genuinely hate sex scenes in most movies / shows because they feel like a waste of time, and it's like, I'm not trying to watch dirty stuff right now, that's not what my Netflix subscription is for. Gay characters don't have to PROVE that they're gay all the time.

[@ShadowRoadX]

I really hate that people just can't let things exist, solely because they aren't to their exact specific tastes. Like not even on the basis of it being something traumatic, or even to due to ethics or morality, but just flat out not being something they desire or are comfortable with. We have all these man-babies screaming to no end about "forced diversity" in their media, when its just people of color existing, or a gay person not being a raging stereotype. And I just sit here thinking "how the hell do you find the time and energy to be this needlessly pissed off ALL THE TIME?". I literally can't comprehend wasting so much of my life spinning my wheels in rage and hatred over something that does nothing but fail to fit my 100% personal point of view.

[@foxpro3002]

That's why I left the anti woke crowd, that and all the rascists and sexists on there.

[@MysticDiamonds5566]

I definitely knew about Loa, such as Damballah. Unfortunately that names been used in the chant in the Chucky franchise. I found Warcraft rather funny how the Zandalari who appear to be Meso-american (I think) worship Loa. Or I could be wrong.

[@averymccoytarnished6782]

The Trolls have kind of a bifurcated culture, where the "savage" ones who worship the old gods have a mesoamerican motif, while the more civilized/peaceful ones tend to be islanders with somewhat nondescript spiritual practices that borrow phrases and elements of quite a few mythos.

[@MysticDiamonds5566]

@@averymccoytarnished6782 NOICE. very interesting.

[@BrightWulph]

I agree with everything in the video especially about Vaggy and Charlie's relationship. I've seen so many people complaining that they're "too vanilla" like they have "no spice" and "don't act like a couple" (one comment literally called it "unseasoned yuri" (so effing gross)) I got into a huge Twitter debate about this and said, pretty much what you did, but I got called a "homophobe" for saying that not all LGBT+ relationships are like what you see in a porno and aren't a walking fantasy. But apparently I was trying to desexulaise and invalidate LGBT+ couples. I coupent help but feel like I was arguing with teenagers, so I just left and muted the conversation. I don't have the time to deal with useless BS anymore. 😅

[@mackenziewoloschuk7375]

As a bi-lesbian with a bisexual girlfriend, she is more than ok with our relationship being vanilla af. Because we love each other and respect each other's boundaries. That's why we're dating. I'm not comfy with sex bc it's still new to me in terms of participation, and my girlfriend respects that. So we act lovey dovey, give each other pet names, compliment each other's looks(like "Oh you look so pretty!" "I just cut my hair-" "AND YOU ARE SO PRETTY ANYWAY!"), wishing each other good night and good morning, worrying about each other when our bodies decided to hate us that day, very protective whenever my bro decides to make a lewd joke about us(often times my girlfriend mildly threatens to shank him when he does that and holds off when I tell her no and call my bro out myself). Even if it's online, I feel a connection to her and she to me. I like the fluff, even if I joke about sex myself. I'm comfy talking about sex, but more comfy with the fluff. Sucks that people seem to miss that, even within our own community.

[@LilianOrchard]

People use "spice" to mean either porn or violence, and honestly it's getting pretty disgusting to see seasoning used as such a horrible metaphor. Especially when they use the word "yuri" in an English sentence.

[@BrightWulph]

@mackenziewoloschuk7375 Ikr? It's all about comfort levels for couples straight or LGBT+, what's fine for one is too much for another or they'd just rather keep the PDA to a minimum like handholding or light snuggling. It just boggles my mind that some people think that because couples in media, especially adult entertainment, aren't constantly manhandling and dry-humping in public, it means they have little to no sex life or "chemistry" in the bedroom.

[@navybluebunny]

Fantastic video. I actually really enjoy how vanilla Vaggie and Charlie’s relationship is. It makes lot of sense for their characters!

[@Zuginator]

Being American from the South I always knew voodoo is a real religion... but I thought the Romani were fictional.

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

Que es un romani ?

[@kaykay8855]

@@elcalabozodelandroide2you know the word Gypsy?

[@kevinjones4001]

This made me happy. While I can’t stand this culture of amateur criticism we have evolved into online, I also understand it often doesn’t actually matter outside in the real world.

[@pantheonmaker9437]

As someone who’s done some storyboard work, þe most power I had was camera angles, & even þen what had to be shown was set in stone already

[@BreakGore]

this video says everything i have been wanting to say about this whole thing. although i was never PHYSICALLY sexually abused, i was groomed and manipulated online as a child, i was forced to send gross images of myself to the abuser, who threatened me if i didnt. Angel dusts dynamic with vals feels real to me, the way val sends all the voicemails and switching his mood immediately between all of them, begging for him to come back and threatening him, and even showing angel dust enjoying it, because when your being abused or manipulated you obviously feel awful but you also are under a sense that its a good situation and are tricked into staying or liking it. This isnt fetishizing sexual abuse, people are too sensitive to ACTUALLY deal with it being SHOWN, instead of media companies talking about or implying it for 0.2 seconds and getting awards and praise for jackshit. And this is coming from a 15 year old gen z💀 it feels so enraging to see dumbasses/gooners act like they know anything about these situations because they have seen 2 videos by some other idiot thats lucky enough to have a loud voice and a fanbase, but having little to no knowledge on this shit. Hazbin hotel may have a lot of issues, but this isnt one of them. Sorry if this is messy i have just wanted to blow off some steam or something lol.

[@pricediaz2257]

glad i never look at twitter

[@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks]

and I'm glad I quit twitter in 2019,I was getting cyberbullied by another fan,apparently I'm not allowed to like the same fan art as they do even though we're both fans of the same artist

[@kennethferland5579]

So what your saying is Fans AND Authors themselves really need to read 'Death of the Author'.

[@matthewthomson6466]

5:25 the fact that you call him “Doctor Frankenstein” honestly makes your point about the watering down of mythological and literary figures that much more potent. Because as anyone who’s read the book knows, Frankenstein is not a doctor. Dude never even made it through his Bachelors - the whole point of the story is that he’s a reckless man with no regard for the ethics and duty of care that scientists should have - that’s why he suffers, and causes others to suffer in turn. But “Dr. Frankenstein” is what got popularized by media and Halloween stores sell stuff with that label, so that’s what everyone knows, even if that’s antithetical to Frankenstein’s role in the story. Side note: read the Shelly’s works. Percy and Mary were both phenomenal authors who deserve your attention. Truly incredible minds, both of them ❤

[@ThePiachu]

Hmm, thinking about Charlie and Vaggie's relationship, it's interesting that they have such a good relationship and are also the only members of the main cast that are something other than regular humans (one being a daughter of Lucifer and the other one an angel cast into hell). So while everyone else has to deal with a lot of problems of just ordinary life bringing them down those two live in their own safe bubble basically... But hey, nothing wrong with portraying a couple that is just happy.

[@Nadodan]

I don't get how people can take that episode as fetishizing his Angel's sexual assault it was like...legitimately hard to watch. The snippets in this video were hard to watch, but it's also super effective in conveying his struggle. It also helps explain his self destructive tendencies, he literally states it in the episode that maybe if he's broken enough he'll stop being Val's favorite toy. Also Charlie and Vaggie are great, don't need to change a thing. Didn't know about the Voodoo thing, Honestly when people talked about Dr. Facilier in relation to this show, I thought it was about Husk, because they're both voiced by Keith David and both do card tricks. I don't engage with twitter so I am never on the pulse of their outrage

[@artslife4424]

Twitter's milking machine of the week Alastor: "Fair enough"

[@Someone4790-7]

I opened yt thinking "hm i bet lily orchards posted" AND THERE IT WAS !!

[@jacquelynbabush7735]

This elder Gen-X HH fan would love to see more of your work. This is worthy of a Master's Thesis. Thank you for doing your research.

[@LilianOrchard]

What research? This was all first hand observations

[@jacquelynbabush7735]

@@LilianOrchard it was very well-put together. Academic. It is a compliment!

[@UmbraResistis]

I always kept seeing people saying that Hazbin Hotel was bad, and I thought I was the weird one for actually thinking it was good. Yeah some stuff wasn't done the best but that's with any show, no show is perfect...

[@corrieloren8661]

Just want to point out that the channel who made “Death of media literacy” video made another video about “why genshin impact (THE GENSHIN IMPACT) is a GAY game” Like you can have bad takes but making an abysmal statement then boasting about how smart you are kinda embarrassing.

[@jayfranco2383]

Alastor has Faciliers esthetics but his character is kinda similar with Tiana and Usurla from the little mermaid Tiana because of her ambitious and determined Spirit to fulfill her open her restaurant - which *kinda* relates to Alastor's Pride over his Radio Show and uninterest in anything else in order to achieve what they already believe in -( this is not to be negative toward Princess tiana im just pointing similarities nit entirely being mean to the gal...just a trait about Alastor that i perceive similar in a way - Tiana on a positive character which the opposite to Alastor's way if using his character but similar in a way) (Ursula frkm the little mermaid) - Alastor is similar to Ursula the two are confident and sassy in they're on way, charming and manipulative taking advantage of they're target at the weakest to make a deal,and since Alastor's most known for taking they're victim's voice to broadcast different but close to similar The reason why i consider Alastor's resemblance to facilier as esthetics is from the is the video said it well that Facilier is not for eben an ounce close to Alastor's strength abd personality so this is just my thoughts on the Video

[@TheDerpiestCatLoaf_17-oy1ww]

Great video. I really appreciate that creators who touch down on real topics and analyze media respectfully still exist.

[@RizoKobold]

Awesome job thank you! You have articulated why twitter feels like an arena of shouting when smaller venues have always had disagreements. Small pond big fish having to compete with the fact they are average sized fish in a huge ocean

[@sydney-empire4809]

You already know that the same people who say Charlie and Vaggie are too vanilla would lose their minds if the couple was more openly sexual. They'd accuse Vivienne of fetishizing gay women to no end. They already hate her for making Angel hypersexual, so I guess she isn't allowed to depict gay people at all. It's not the subject matter they dislike, it's just Vivienne herself, and they'll change their own personal views in the blink of an eye just so they don't align with hers. Similar to what you said in your last video, most "critics" are also artists, so there has got to be some degree of jealousy. People who think, "If I had my own show, it would be SO much better!" I've witnessed a number of people complaining about Adam being a white man in this show, saying that the first human on earth should be black and that Hazbin Hotel is promoting racist ideology. A take that is so stupid it can be immediately shot down with, "You're upset that the genocidal, misogynistic antagonist isn't a black man?"

[@dgrooms1959]

So the Angel Dust episode... It was definitely an uncomfortable episode for me as I started crying while watching. And it was noticeable to my partner who was watching with me and paused it. I told him that I would be okay and to just continue playing the show so it could be over with (which, looking back at it now, is basically how I coped with most of the bad experiences that I went through.) Finding out that I wasn't the only one that was triggered (hate that term, its so bastardized) by the episode, while disheartening, brings me comfort in knowing that even though it was uncomfortable to watch, I'm not alone.

[@Zigzorark]

*Did you know that!* Generally, if you are writing a story and want something to be in it, you should write it down and not wait until the work is already published. *Now you know!*

[@user-jn4sw3iw4h]

more funny than useful notion: The similarities of the relevant Keith David roles. Both Husk and Facilier , thought they were Alistor. And got their asses handed to them as a result.

[@CybeargPlays]

2:45 This seems obvious. Death of the Author is classic postmodern, which all these shows certainly are. So it doesn’t matter what the author intended or what they explain elsewhere - the work and the viewer’s interpretation are ultimately what matters in that reading, right?

[@thelonehat9073]

it is a crime that these videos aren’t more popular

[@LilianOrchard]

They're popular enough

[@thelonehat9073]

@@LilianOrchard THE KING/QUEEN/MONARCH REPLIED (i’m not sure what you identify as)

[@LilianOrchard]

Queen

[@thelonehat9073]

@@LilianOrchard perioddddddd

[@LilianOrchard]

A reminder to the people stuck in the approval queue, we dont use the Q word here.

[@Bari-Bari-op]

What is the q word you are referring to

[@kyurama6443]

Is it that LGBT slur?

[@Bari-Bari-op]

I had thought that was what was being referred to but I wasn’t sure

[@HahnenschreidesPositivismus]

"queue"? but you've jsut used it.

[@HahnenschreidesPositivismus]

oh okay, THAT q-word.

[@Moonymoonmy]

I love Vaggie and Charlie's relationship it's nice to let something be soft for once. And hearing "being gay in a straight way" makes me laugh so hard lmao. But yeah you got me spot on towards the end about media illiteracy. Most of the critical analysis I do on media is just what I remember from high school english class and youtube videos. And I am well aware of that, its why I when my friend (who is studying film in college) asks me about my opinion on any film I always add the caveat that I am only speaking as someone from the general audience and not anyone who should be taken too seriously.

[@I.Simmonds]

I remember back on the CBR forums X-books a critique about Wolverine stories is that they were too "chickens come home to roost" critiques of US foreign policy . I found that weird due to the fact that I was in college at the time having being told art is inherently political. Being from a west African family I thought that was common knowledge.

[@StyleshStorm]

2:40 WHAT IN THE GOD DAMN? 3:15 So the Digimon Creator is incest man? He must really like that silly little game with the brother and sister murderers then.

[@AliaaImad]

Digimon was my favorite anime growing up so I had the same reaction as you, LIKE WHO DOES THIS??!?

[@atay7706]

Have to seriously congratulate you in your past few videos, Lily. While I have always thought you were an insightful critic I had some problems with your past work in terms of coherency and tone but recently you have been on absolute fire! Glad I am still subscribed and you are in a much healthier mental space. It really shows recently.

[@coolrobin]

I don't think Vaggie and Charlie are "gay but straight" I just wish their realationship was a little more clear Kissing a few more times and using petnames for example It's obvious they're dating but dosent feel important or prominent

[@LilianOrchard]

@AviciPerry They do refer to each other as girlfriends.

[@coolrobin]

@@wisdommanari6701I just personally wanted more, as a lesbian. Didnt need like, a sex scene or something. Just more consistent instances of stuff like that. Also I do not recall every instance of intamcy of course, so sorry if my judgment is skewed.

[@eanna3781]

Feeling really seen watching this. I had Hazbin Hotel introduced to me by a (now former) friend who would constantly talk over me any time I pointed out an issue I noticed in the pilot, such as the Voodoo Symbols and Vaggie's design, by just yelling "let people enjoy things" Glad to see I wasn't going crazy

[@LilianOrchard]

People who talk over others with "let people enjoy things" are the biggest pricks on wheels who weren't told no enough as a child.

[@iminyourwallscall911]

wait what's wrong with vaggie's design

[@LilianOrchard]

@@iminyourwallscall911In the pilot, Vaggie was a terminally angry latina stereotype

[@rise.-mikey]

@@LilianOrchard Yeah no, she was not. It's honestly annoying people think that- like imagine a latina is angry for obvious reasons and then calling her a stereotype...like what? are they not allowed to emote anymore?

[@FAEDOODLE]

@@rise.-mikey Have you seen the pilot lately? Because she was way too angry over the smallest things.

[@Thenewtoon23]

After seen the little things about the digimon i cant wait for the video and like scared because the director said what Also really love this video and your work ok bye

[@RandonPersom542]

All I ever came across was that- people hated Hazbin and its creator, for SOME reason. But never WHAT that reason was. I don’t use Twitter so that probably helps. But I was so confused that there was such an uproar that people felt the need to talk about to. Thanks for clearing it up

[@MollyDollyy774]

I myself am a Trans Lesbian {Unable to Transition due to my Situation...} Yet I myself want to keep my Relationship {When I get one} completely private, do nothing in Public, not even Handholding, Kissing, or Hugging, those things also stay in private, I wouldn't personally be openly _H o r n y_ also... I personally don't like Straight ships, I basically only ship Lesbians together, I enjoy that, and being this private, Lesbian specific enjoying Trans Lesbian, I personally love Charlie X Vaggie, it's cute and wholesome~ 13:24 I love Childhood friends to Lovers, it's not _I n c e s t_ it's 2 people that had a bond for basically life, and Love eachother, it's soooooooooo cute, because they would know Eachother the most, and it's just soooooo cute and wholesome^^

[@isaacturner9306]

See, this is why I refer to Twitter as the world's leading cause of Mind Cancer.

[@Bitlilbit1]

Summary of video… twitter is literally hell

[@sonicfanboy3375]

The tenth circle