Hornby All-New 2021 Range 6 Wheel Pre-Grouping Coach With Lights - Unboxing and Review

This new 6-wheel coach from Hornby brings a new and much-needed piece of rolling stock to the market for people who want to model the pre-grouping era. Today Jenny takes a close look at it to see how it holds up.
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PLEASE NOTE: Hornby have let me know that the period pictures they are working from show that at least some of these coaches were built with concave buffers and therefore they have chosen to model this unusual feature.
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[@Cardmodeller]

An excellent review. Thank you Jenny. I have ordered a set of Southern coaches as a result!

[@trapdriver7006]

Excellent impartial review Jenny 👍😀😀

[@richardswiderski4985]

Great review Jen as usual those coaches do look good and that light is amazing I can see them both selling out quickly .👍

[@tmcg972]

Thank you for this honest review. Already ordered LNER coaches from "Horn" and will go for some others from "Hats" once released.

[@bryaneast2513]

Excellent review, many thanks. Bryan

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Great little coaches! I've been having a lot of fun with my LNER Teak ones that have just arrived but these Southern ones look equally as good. I have a feeling I'm going to end up with quite a few of these in different liveries eventually!

[@vicfreak2529]

Thanks jenny for another great and honest review, hornby have a winner with these coaches, very robust even for young modelers , as for the magna light system don't be surprised if we see these on all hornby coaching stock in future, I wonder if I could somehow wire in a tail lamp to the magna lights 🤔, better get an order in because these are going to fly off the shelves,

[@AdiPullen]

Hi jenny This look great in my opinion. The lighting system is great for dc users. The livery look great well detailed the molded details stuff does not bother me. Glad the footboards look easy to put on The 6 wheeled coaches are based on a nbr coach And 4 wheel coaches are based on a stroudley coach. So I've read and been told by people in the industry Keep safe arp

[@gordonhanning476]

Love these coaches going to get the br versions

[@georgebottarini1788]

Great video as usual. Can’t wait for review on hattons genesis coaches

[@bendavis6121]

Me to Can't wait for Hatton's genesis coaches want I will be sticking with. But keep safe George Bottarini in these hard times.

[@georgebottarini1788]

Your right Ben. I had forgotten. But it will still be nice to see her review the finished livery.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

The Terriers, the Holden 5F, the N7, the J72 and the J94 on the Cromford and High Peak.

[@bendavis6121]

Great review Jennifer Kirk on the Hornby 6 Wheel Pre-Grouping Coach. Will you review the Hatton's one Jennifer E Kirk? But the underframe details it not really there but the Hatton got I lot more details and look better. At least with the Hatton's the customer gets the choice for Optional lower footboards and there give you the choice for the Centre wheelset on 6 wheel coaches slides for tight curves and is also removable. Plus the light with the Hatton one will work for analogue and DCC plus get an 18-pin decoder socket. Don't like how the customer got to fix the footboards on the Hornby one. Plus the light gives you 200 hours, yes which may seem a good amount of light. But it not that good because let said I have the light on 3 hours per day only in a week I was used up 21 hours of light or that said around 20 hours. Now that does 200 Hours division 21 per week only get 66 days or around 70 days. The light thinks cost £12.99 and the time you pay for the mail around £16.00. Meaning is not that cheaper in the end and costs more than the Hatton one. Now we now can get around 70 days let see how many time in the year I was has to replace the light we get around 365 meaning I had to replace them light 5 times in a year it would coast £64.95 and not include if you got more then one. Now because we now want the prices going to be for the year £64.95 we can find the total value if I have them for 70 years it was being £4546.50 I could get around 126 Hatton's one for that prices and with no worry about the lifetime baned. I could run the Hatton's one forever with the light and don't need to worry about filling them up. Because you got to Keep taking the roof off the Hornby one you could damage the toolings. I will be stick will the Hatton's hand get (NCB blue, SECR, LQY brown Q umber) But keep safe Jennifer Kirk in these hard times.

[@TheTWRModeller]

I'm getting a handful of these versions!

[@ijustcantbeasked9740]

I make them I work for him

[@blairgowrieforestrailwayan2786]

That Terrier makes a lovely train with that coach.

[@Pirate-Scorcher-1998]

An absolute must get. I want to get the LB&SCR and the southern ones

[@BMMEC6000]

I definitely would recommend the LBSCR ones. They look extraordinary!

[@Pirate-Scorcher-1998]

@@BMMEC6000 I got the LB&SC ones they are fantastic

[@BMMEC6000]

@@Pirate-Scorcher-1998 great!

[@TheSorub]

an excellent review , i think your comments about the end of the coaches are valid, but i suppose Hornby were trying to get to a price point to appeal to all , sometimes details such as the lap irons are left out to achieve this.

[@treinenliefde]

Will probably get ones from both Hornby and Hattons. Some departmentals from Hattons and some BR Crimson coaches from Hornby. All with lightning, will be very curious to see the differences.

[@MrDavil43]

I wonder if it would be possible to file the buffers flat? As they are quite thick to start with they could accommodate some flattening. But why they are made like that is a mystery...could SK comment? Otherwise, what another lovely product, we are so spoilt for decent r-t-r these days.

[@jamesgilbart148]

Great review - I really like the magnet switched battery lights - Hornby should retrofit that to other existing coaching stock

[@g.g.dunnitt9181]

Looks to me just like the lighting system sold for some time by Layouts4u-have Hornby pinched yet another idea from somebody else?

[@mattlander9119]

Not as easy as you may think as the interior will Need modification to fit the battery. And also the body fitting would need changing to make it as easy as these coaches to access the battery.

[@martinpattison4018]

What a beautiful job Hornby have made of these pre-grouping coaches. The ends may look a bit plain, but are you really going to see that when they are running? Today, I have looked through both manufactures liveries and neither of them have coaches for the NorthEastern Railway which had 4 and 6 wheel coaches in a darker Maroon with more blue in the colour. So I will have to run the J72 with some Celestory Coaches for now. (Still no layout yet.) Martin. (Thailand)

[@davidkrenus770]

Hi Jenny, I have pre-ordered some of these coaches in each one of the liveries. Can you suggest a good locomotive with company livery to match each coach livery set. Regards David

[@jasongoulden2938]

I’m certain the Isle of Wight steam railway has a few of these coaches obviously being part of the southern not sure if they are the six wheelers though

[@knifetrain3118]

I think the LED lighting makes a huge difference in the appearance and interest of the car paired with some passenger figures. I think the car end detail should be a little more pronounced with either separately applied detail or a more pronounced tooling detail to look the part.

[@andrewblake2254]

I think the lights are much to bright.. They were really dim in the 1950's and would be very difficult to read by. Thats when they did not go out altogether.

[@anthonymcdonnell6615]

i am going for the LNWR ones

[@charlesemerson6763]

I’ll have to get more than a few.

[@paulypyro]

lamp irons really drag it down when you look at the hattons genesis coaches and see what a difference it makes, just small details but they are telling

[@fatwalletboy2]

They should offer that lighting system on the mk1 mk2 and mk3 coaches.....longer pcbs for lighting compartments corridors toilets etc.....

[@cirillogiuseppe1325]

It is so crazy runs this beautiful coaches 00 in my H0 scenery? How unrealistic can they get? It is a punch in the eye or can they live together proportionally in peace?

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Nice looking carriages. The ends look odd in that there are too many lamp brackets if run to represent a pre 1900 train. Optional gas tanks for underneath or oil lamp covers for the roof too would be nice.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

The coach though is a post 1923 condition example due to the livery and has electric lighting so there wouldn't be any oil or gas fittings. Other livery examples might be different though but not looked at these much.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

@@bionicgeekgrrl I suspect that the same moulds are used for all the examples. Most of the big 4 companies were taking 4 and 6 wheel coaches out of passenger carrying service in the 20s with the remaining ones in departmental service or on light railways

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

@@LeslieGilpinRailways there is certainly that possibility. But just gives a good opportunity for some modelling really. As for 4 and 6 wheel coaches, some lasted a reasonable time. On the southern some of them lasted well past the 20s, by virtue of being put onto new frames and made into emus! The southern rarely scrapped anything that could have a use.

[@richardstone3473]

Does anyone know if they intend SEandCR livery

[@Madonsteamrailways]

That’s absolutely gorgeous, but why didn’t Simon Kohler do the Great Eastern Teak and Walnut?

[@otisjb]

There are so many different options out there, you can't do them all at once. The attractive thing about these coaches for manufacturers is that they can keep re-releasing them in different schemes forever. Don't forget though that there's only one RTR GER locomotive on the market atm so you can't blame them for not doing it immediately. Hattons do have some crimson variants in the works for their third batch though. Additionally remember that Simon is only responsible for public relations type business and doesn't decide the ins and outs of models produced.

[@ausfoodgarden]

How do you think they compare to the Hattons genesis coaches? I've got the Hattons L&YR livery ones on order but thinking of getting a few of these in LNER/GNR teak

[@otisjb]

I think the Hattons ones are slightly finer, interior details, lamp irons etc. They are also a different design, the Hattons ones being longer. Looking at photos I've deduced that LBSC and LSWR are more accurately represented by Hornby's models and GNR, LNWR are more accurately done by Hattons.

[@ausfoodgarden]

@@otisjb Thanks for the info I might try nd get a few Hornby ones as well then.

[@ollieahokas9179]

Two notes though, it seems like Hornby has looked on how to turn on and off lights from Rapido. Rapido uses a wand to do same thing. The other thing, unlike many continental brands, the NEM pockets on the Hornby model makes it harder to change the couplings to something else. I have seen this on some of the Liliput models too. Liliput is one of the brands in the Bachmann range. Ihis could have done so much better.

[@modelrailwaynoob]

They are nice but I have ordered the Hatton's Midland Railway coach pack with lights

[@bendavis6121]

Great choice Model Railway Noob I would like all of the Hattons genesis coaches but sadly it would be too much money plus it would take a lot of room up. But keep safe Model Railway Noob in these hard times.

[@modelrailwaynoob]

@@bendavis6121 Thank you Ben

[@bendavis6121]

​@@modelrailwaynoob You are welcome but keep safe ​ @Model Railway Noob in these hard times.

[@vectorbrony3473]

A good thing will be mixing these coaches with e Hattons range and giving your rake of coaches an un even look. And Jen said in the video, the coaches had no standard design and it was often done when ever needed.

[@otisjb]

7:46 shame the brake blocks don't line up with the wheels, no biggie though.

[@hythekent]

Jenny, do you think a Dean Single is out of era for these coaches. I see you didn’t mention the Dean Single

[@otisjb]

Hornby already rereleased the old triang model for their railroad range last year.

[@georgebottarini1788]

Ben Davis I also am staying with the hattons coaches they appear to be more detailed especially on the ends

[@bendavis6121]

Yes, I think the Hatton will be the best-detailed one. I ask my family want they think of the Hornby one and all come back with the same answer the handrail wants people use to get in the coaches just look weird. Plus who gets Luggage rails want the Hornby one don't have and should have if who going to put a light inside of the coaches. At least with the Hatton one going to have Luggage rails fix want will be amazing with passengers and luggage in the night will look amazing. What Hattons one are you getting? But keep safe George Bottarini in these hard times.

[@georgebottarini1788]

I’m getting the GWR chocolate n cream livery set of 4 coaches

[@bendavis6121]

​@@georgebottarini1788 I hope you have fun will them. Keep safe ​ @George Bottarini in these hard times.

[@georgebottarini1788]

@@bendavis6121 thanks you too

[@bendavis6121]

​@@georgebottarini1788 you are welcome. But keep safe George Bottarini in these hard times.

[@B-Mozzer]

I have the LSWR & GWR COACHES ON ORDER

[@JenniferEKirk]

I have a full set of both LBSCR and LNWR on order.

[@B-Mozzer]

@@JenniferEKirk I am going to see the LSWR ones 1st before ordering ant LNWR ones

[@bendavis6121]

​@@JenniferEKirk Great choice but I will be sticking will the Hatton (LNWR, SCER, LQY brown and umber,' NCB Blue that one I got on Pre-order) But because now I can see want the Hornby LNWR is going to look like I will be pre-order the Hatton's one. But keep safe ​@Jennifer E. Kirk in these hard times.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

The under frame details were JUST NOT THERE. The original coaching stock is totally prototypical!!

[@Madonsteamrailways]

Are there Great Eastern coaches?

[@otisjb]

Not yet but Hattons are planning them for batch 3 of their range.

[@lesbird2074]

Generally a good and fair review. However, I thought the score for accuracy and finish was unduly harsh. You said yourself how well applied the livery is and, as for accuracy, given that it is generic, there seems little justification for the low score.

[@JenniferEKirk]

The lower score was influenced mainly by the carriage ends with the flatter moulded on detail.

[@scottlewis775]

@@JenniferEKirk which do sadly let down the ends. Ruddy shame.

[@andrewblake2254]

What prototype coaches are these modelled on?

[@bluebellsalmon]

For the 6-wheelers, LBSCR Billinton bodysides, LSBCR Stroudley Roof Profile it appears, and preservation era steel ex-PMV underframes, with GWR commode handles.

[@uttum87]

These coaches are the style that Fleischmann were famous for.

[@bluebellsalmon]

Any such coaches on the Southern were gone before the 1930s, so the idea of using them in BR livery on Hop Pickers specials is a non-starter, I'm afraid. In fact most were rebuilt by combining bodies from 6-wheelers onto bogie underframes pre-first-world war.

[@AllensTrains]

These carriages together with a Terrier will make it much easier to create a representative train for a rural branch line layout such as the K&ESR, or the Isle of Wight. Maybe create a diorama for your Terrier and SR coaches? See disused-stations.org.uk/g/godshill/index.shtml

[@g.g.dunnitt9181]

Hmmm. Very strange that these coaches are exactly the same sort that Hattons are producing, and the lighting system is exactly the same as that sold for some time by Layouts4U. Pure coincidence or commercial plagiarism?.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

@@bentullett6068 that doesn't mean hornby were not working on them prior to their measuring trip, they could well have been doing work on them and exploring a number of options. It seems a logical item for their range to go with their small locomotives and they'll probably be in packs next Christmas perhaps as an ideal starter set, hornby traditional bread and butter

[@g.g.dunnitt9181]

@@bionicgeekgrrl Just like the Hornby Class 66 vs the Rails version?. I know what I think and I'm sticking to it!

[@gs425]

@@g.g.dunnitt9181 I agree with the coach, but as for the arguments with the 66 and terrier, people have somehow forgotten that these were ALREADY in hornbys range and for years before hattons and rails decided to make theirs

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I do find it amusing when we consider Hornby and Bachmann throw a fit when other retailers try to manufacture their own products around the same time as them (remember the 3rd class Stephenson's Rocket fiasco?)

[@HeavensGremlin]

The market has been crying-out for pre-grouping coaches for over three generations. Yet another pig-in-a poke 'generic' design. Far FAR better to have copied one actual design - and then had a compromise on other liveries to pad the range out. That way at least SOME versions would be accurate - rather than NONE. Hornby have repeated Hattons exact same error. The market has been crying out for some decent six and four wheel pre-grouping coaches since the war - and now we get TWO ranges of parodies.... What a bloody shame. What a huge missed opportunity.