How Porn is Different... and So Dangerous?

[@krayzie9169]

These videos are hitting HARD. I'm 3 weeks in to my reboot right now (longest streak ever been trying without any help for almost 15 years now) and these videos are invaluable

[@mtango9985]

I just want to cry - because if I never found out about the negative effects of porn and masturbation - I properly would have committed suicide from mental health issues. Thank you to yourself and the resistance against the evil industry manipulating us as vulnerable children and teenagers.

[@grahamgrant9421]

I too was exposed to graphic porn in my early teens, even then i recognised it for what it was ie performative crap and no one with half way decent neural functioning would deem the extreme stuff to be normal! granted i have watched it but i have never felt any compulsion towards it.

[@jfitness22]

I’m in the same boat. Had a terrible porn habit around the time I attempted to kill myself. Plus I didn’t know the dark truth about porn and fapping, on top of sleeping around with a bunch of lost souls that were in the same dark and gloomy boat I was. Knowing now how powerful sex is and the godly purpose of it I’m disgusted with what I did in the past as well as the acts of porn. It’s good to know a lot of people are waking up to the bs that this world has us under. It’s time to fight back. God bless you all and may your journey to be free become a success.

[@razorbeard6970]

@@jfitness22 Even without the consideration of God in the equation how did you not sense that sex has a potent effect and place in the life? This is a genuine question.

[@jfitness22]

@@razorbeard6970 maybe because I wasn't informed and maybe blind. We all catch on to different things at different times

[@jfitness22]

@@razorbeard6970 its people out here that will never realize or just blatantly not care. Either or

[@thescholar8018]

I've been sitting at a cafe after I get off work everyday. I sit next to a fire and read and meditate. Scary accurate video. Its super difficult but i take small step. Thank you doctor for your hard work, encouragement and sharing of knowledge.

[@DrTrishLeigh]

Wonderful. What a nice new habit. Thanks for the support. I really appreciate it.

[@FarrisMatheny]

Day #4 for me , after relapse, 39 days my best .i would not even be working on this if i hadnt stumbled on to trish , u are the best thing on u tube , by far . Thank you Jesus and thank you doctor leigh , please dont stop these videos , life saving material 🙏💪🌄

[@Deron_SLATER]

Your videos are amazing and loaded with truth, compassion, and conviction. You're a trailblazer.

[@ladragodamultus6815]

Used to relapse every other 5-6 days after trying to stay clean Guess who has made it to 15 days now

[@WishinggWell]

me too!! lets do this for life!

[@FlyWithLove]

Proud of you

[@Sabzworld77]

I am also starting my journey of porn-free from today! Wish me luck 😭🙏

[@ladragodamultus6815]

@@Sabzworld77 we in this together , I got you . If it gets hard reach out

[@dankslushy4742]

I hope ur doing good :)

[@longarmboi]

My nofap record is 112 days...working out and studying definitely helped, now it's time for round 2.

[@DrTrishLeigh]

Yes! Congratulations. You’re crushing it. Keep going! 💪🏽

[@dannyjoyce3]

What's round 2

[@Davisgirl20]

What made you see you needed to stop if I may ask- just desperately trying to help someone see they’re losing everything and everyone because of this addiction

[@mustardtree6640]

This is going to cause so many issues in future years for the young minds infected by this evil trade. Something has to be done it’s warping young minds and destroying young men and no one is doing anything to stop it 😢

[@anthonytokar3961]

I like how these vedios come out daily. Helps in my journey to finally lay this disgusting addiction to rest.

[@richardfullerton5885]

Same it really helps all involved on lifting themselves out of this horrific addiction

[@raymonkravagna278]

Let's be honest when it comes to porn addiction. If it wasn't for the easy access I don't think it would be such a problem like it is today. When I was growing up you had to actually go to a porno theater or a porn shop to watch these videos. Or go to a video store and rent them or purchase them. It was much harder to obtain it,so not many people probably got hooked like they do today.

[@s2kgang171]

Very true...I used to walk few blocks to go purchase a cd but these days it’s a few clicks away.

[@s.f7778]

If it wasn’t porn it would just be sex addiction or alcohol addiction

[@raymonkravagna278]

@@s.f7778 I think that's a pretty big reach. Just because you're addicted to porn doesn't mean if it wasn't available you'd be addicted to something else.

[@raymonkravagna278]

@@s.f7778 before I got addicted to it I was not addicted to anything else

[@jamiek1714]

True Raymon. This is truly the end times.

[@reptiliangnome4188]

Thank you for another one Dr.! Been struggling for about 8 years and finally putting this addiction to rest.

[@ParadymShiftVegan]

Same here mate! 💪💯🔥 the only failure is giving up, we got this! 😎🙌☮️🌎

[@sadiqahmed8484]

Hey! How are you doing?

[@thewierdnessisrealxdkayla4093]

Wow. You saved my life. Thank you so much and keep up the good work thank you 🙏

[@DrTrishLeigh]

Thank you. I am trying. Thank you for your support.

[@ninjawaver]

Ma'am YOU ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE 🔥🔥🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@UncleRobsGarage]

Bodybuilding is my new replacement for pornography within two months I have made dramatic improvements in my body shape people are commenting

[@DrTrishLeigh]

Amazing! One of my coaching clients has done the same thing and he is crushing it. I’m glad you are too. Keep going! 💪🏽

[@joebrat6809]

Yeah fitness and working out is my replacement as well six weeks porn free and 2,5 weeks of working out my mental health is definitely improving now I just need to be able to have sex again and get rid of that awful HOCD which has destroyed my life for about 6 months

[@adhinr285]

Thanks mam, you are just saving humanity

[@alphaomega7433]

Here I go, I’m starting Today, Wish me Luck🙏

[@shemaibra7693]

how is it so far!?

[@bigjoke5119]

Can’t wait to hear wisdom

[@FarrisMatheny]

Thank u doc , Gods work u are doing 🙏💪🌄

[@SanelKeys]

Believe it or not, I watch these videos for my cigarette addiction. Very similar situation.

[@montacirlochon3996]

Day 16....Why so mush depression without any cause☹️☹️☹️

[@montacirlochon3996]

@suma thank you very much❤️

[@paulegbodo5789]

Keep going!!, it's not easy but worth every pain

[@montacirlochon3996]

@@paulegbodo5789 Thanks 🥰🥰

[@davidjones702]

Wow, this information is so accurate. It's like a playbook of my life. I discovered porn at age 8 through a Playboy mag. And hearing this certainly helps me understand why I never could stop and nearly lose my wife and family. This is so much good info. Many thanks to all.

[@DrTrishLeigh]

You’re welcome. It is fascinating to understand the nuances. And you know what they say… Knowledge is power… Time to leave it behind. 💪🏽

[@KJac-tw7iv]

Bet you still watch

[@liverpoolhw]

That point about the easy access compared to paper access was crucial....the actions taking place compared to photographs....there is also a spiritual aspect people don't realise that attaches itself to the human

[@henocsilva562]

Hi Dr. Leigh, I’m back on your channel after a couple months. I had managed to beat porn for six solid months then out of nowhere it hooked me again. I don’t know what I was thinking. I’ve been trying to kick it again and hope to make it permanent this time.

[@rhizobiumli]

I was clean from viewing those immoral things for more than a year, had all my devices looked up. But i steped with an unblocked computer at the end of my shift yesterday. I felt so badly, just a fell minnutes i was in the hell again!! God we are so so weak, give us strenght, wisdon and strategie! I am too weak to fight back, the only solution is to run, run alway from the occasions of sin. I am weak and a sinner, may the lord give me the strenght.

[@christianani8629]

You have saved souls 🙏 How much is the head band?

[@Uddaybhaikabaap]

Dr. Trish this is my first time on the channel, I'm totally an addict in this and it impacts me alot. Though I control myself but can't for a very long and get into worst scenarios of lust. Your videos are helping me alot, I hope I'll stay on the way till the end with you. Love from Massachusetts ❤️💕

[@philthyphil2875]

I will be praying for you brother , this is achievable. I’m going on 9 months without porn . With her tips and videos and The help of the Holy Spirit you can kick this for good 😌

[@entrepreneurshipnews3499]

Yeah , she is with us 🌹❤️

[@Uddaybhaikabaap]

@@philthyphil2875 thnx Phil today's my first day and m obviously controlling myself every second. I'll surely pray to lord for both of us to get on the path of enlightenment. Keep it up bro🤞🏻

[@ohareair552]

How frequently do you do it? Obviously if you’re doing it 5+ times a day, that’s a problem, but most people who only do it a few times a week would probably find it relatively easy to stop it they felt the need

[@Uddaybhaikabaap]

@@ohareair552 I'm actually doing it 5-6 times a week which is addiction therefore I'm here to get some help. And get on right path.

[@Emmanuel-j2o]

Thank you 🙏🏻 so much Doc your an instrument of God i really am grateful that theres people like you trying to save people’s souls and lives

[@bobbycecere1037]

Hardest thing I've ever tried to do in my life and I was addicted to opiates! Also an alcoholic and I was able to get a year clean. This is next level. It doesn't want to go away & it's freaking everywhere 😑

[@glywnniswells9480]

Its a choice as is giving up doing anything. U dont hate it enough. I dont believe in addiction.

[@audreyperreault2036]

We {my husband and I) have listened to many of your great Podcasts.. So, so enlightening.. I want to comment on the "Off the Beaten Track" Poster displayed behind you., it's kinda funny as we call it the Potato Tree.. Anyway, we still get new knowledge in many of your Podcasts. Thank you for doing these..!

[@adityapawar4937]

Thank you Doctor for the eye-opening information you have provided. I am facing certain symptoms of brain fog and have considered going to many KZbin channels and Reddit websites such as Nofap and had also embarked my journey of the 30 day no fap, but unfortunately relapsed multiple times. I will start the recovery process. Wish me luck :) .

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

Good luck. You've started the process. You know it's important and you're learning better ways to deal w/ a chronic problem. You're way ahead of many.

[@AKSingh0001]

How are u right now

[@allanwalli2935]

Such great insight and advice here. Im day 14 of 100% committed and every day is a new challenge. Every morning I use one of these videos to get my brain on track. Its working!

[@wesleymcmurrin7704]

Thanks for the testimony that a daily video watch is progress toward habit abandonment

[@akile2444]

i love your teaching , they are very powerful

[@nazcarcup]

NF Day 123. 'M' Urges come from real life stimuli. Such urges are easy to overcome. A far cry from an urge from a screen.

[@Kazumatempest]

I just relapsed after 30 days due to personal stress but i dont feel as bad now i know i can go another 30 days tough it sucks to start all over.

[@stevenmay3042]

Yup..

[@midnightsun2085]

You're not starting all over again. Your just getting up after falling down.

[@VernonLongie]

Bummer try again

[@bikotheanimator6169]

I didn't survive Friday. Had to see someone in person haha

[@Ahl-al-bayt786]

Wow so quiet home omg i love it. Not even a single noise.

[@DrTrishLeigh]

It’s not always that way ;-)

[@taiwohassan7113]

Masturbation affect my sense of reasoning and thinking for years which made me loose people and some things in my life that till now I’m still regretting and it’s very painful to me.

[@StudyMedicalSciencewithIftisam]

Doc, could you please attatch the links of the studies regarding porn addiction in your description box? Would help if we studied it ourselves beside watching your videos. Thanks in advance.

[@wickkane6482]

I have started to listen to Dr Trish Leigh She will not believe it but listening to her day and night has helped me through some very dark times in my life. I just hope I keep on listening to her till the dark clouds go away for good

[@VernonLongie]

Just started watching I'm truly addicted to to point 1week so far makes another of sense

[@jenningscampbell5342]

This is the big picture summary I’ve been looking for. I was having trouble matching my experience with parts of what you have shared. Never realized this young exposure part since I am an old codger.

[@lokomendesperado6778]

Good night Doctor. How can I donate?

[@amineh9867]

U disearve more visibility and inshALLAH u certainly will have it .. Amazing work doc ! Keep on goin !

[@mirceaionescu6805]

Unfortunately, pornography destroys the lives of many people and affects society as a whole.Dr.Trish gives me hope that everything will be fine, We need to be aware and apply.

[@clintbailey8220]

It's been so hard and my wife has given me 5yrs to get better. After seeing a counselor for 2yrs I feel back to bad habits of watching during seeing the counseling and after we thought I had gotten better. Now my wife wants a divorce and nothing to with me, she will not give me the support I need to overcome my addiction. I'm face down with fixing and correcting myself. Is there any people in Fort Myers, Florida that can help me.

[@gopiganesh56]

Thank you mam 👍 From india

[@deeLX11]

U mentioned a head band to help reboot the brain??

[@ashtonkelly2701]

I'm very glad that you made this video it really has helped me understand alot about how bad porn really is.Also I just bought the muse 2 headband and looking forward to using it to improve my brain thank you for all the wisdom.Keep up the good work

[@muhammedmusthafa99999]

Thanks doctor 💐 you are doing a great job

[@elisazouza]

im watching this cos of my bf! he's currently quitting porn but had a slip up after talking to me which i didnt really like :( and was very close to losing me due to him being so detached and distant from me due to the depression of quitting porn and my bf has made a new instagram whilst quitting porn and that kind of scared me as i hope it's not for external validation due to not watching porn. but my bf doesn't tell me straight away if he watches porn or has a slip up of watching it :((( and sometimes he gets really detached and not excited to have sex if he has watched porn during the week. and he watches more, when im away (due to long distance)

[@bruhmoment3425]

Hey Dr. Trish I got a question: Ive been struggling with PIED and it has gotten better over the past days (currently at 4 months) like I get morning wood, nocturnal erections, and my flashbacks to porn were fading away. But in the past week I have lost all of those recovery signs and am going through mood swings and anxiety along with it too despite not relapsing, what does this mean? does it mean I am not healing, or is this addiction trying to have it's last ditch effort against me?

[@Streetfightingman420]

That cortisol spike has killed my relationships

[@ExploreandExperience1]

I wish I knew this decades ago 😩

[@harikrish9558]

Thank God I found your channel. Thought all these were alright. Scary how damaging it is

[@entrepreneurshipnews3499]

I am from India , I want to purchase that headband?

[@Rocku01]

How do I calm down my flight or fight response?

[@davewinters1770]

Hello Dr. Trish Hop you're having a great day. Rhos os kind of a personal question for you Why is your focus on porn? Is this something you battled or a loved one? Just curious. I found your channel and podcast because I've battled this and I'm winning and I just wanted to say thank you.

[@brettbedard4342]

How do you get head band for the brain?

[@crowns8743]

Where do I get the neural headband? Brand?

[@tedthurlby7931]

What makes the head band work? .

[@DrTrishLeigh]

It is a Neurofeedback mechanism with EEG sensors, read only function, that teach your brain to make optimal brain speed.

[@yazansy6641]

Every time I quit it for 10 days or 15 at most and then I forget and lose motivation to continue and my urges become very intense so I relapse. I’m trying to quit for years now and I couldn’t. Any advice please??

[@rhizobiumli]

instal blockes in your devices, if the urge is too strong, do MO only, is better than PMO. But try to space the episodes of MO more and More. It is difficult, because is like a drug om with we are all adicted

[@tomfazio2965]

As you get old like in your 70 you will lose your desire for porn

[@taiwohassan7113]

I had a relapse last night doctor ,I had it twice I don’t know how it happened but i just go suddenly turned on and I relapsed twiced. Without me even knowing cause I lost control.

[@DrTrishLeigh]

hope this video helps: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXukZqqijbatj5Y 🙌🏼

[@depression7927]

but can it also happen that you are traumatized that the stress is so bad that you

[@Blitefuns]

I'm lucky because I manifest your channel Good luck God bless👍

[@stevenmay3042]

Dr. Will I get my energy back? Past month I've relapsed twice. I dealt with "it" for ten years. Like the natural energy, will I get this back to normal?

[@stephenhowes8937]

I was very surprised that during the 23 minutes, the word masturbation was never mentioned. Otherwise, does it ever not get associated with porn?

[@CrimsonUniverse22]

Does even looking at a graphic porn IMAGE for even a few seconds, also have a big effect?

[@ParadymShiftVegan]

Yes, especially if you've been addicted for quite some time, thanks to delta fos b doing everything it can to pull you into relapse again.

[@entrepreneurshipnews3499]

Delta fos ?

[@ParadymShiftVegan]

@@entrepreneurshipnews3499 Yep, delta fos b is a molecular switch designed to assist us to figure out how to get back to behaviours that are healthy for us like food, exercise, and sex. Unfortunately, because pornography is far from a natural phenomenon, it turns what was once a beaten path towards PMO into a dirt road and then eventually through repeated behaviour turns what was once a beaten path into a giant 9-lane highway with blinking lights saying "GO THIS WAY!!!" The reason being is that it thinks pornography is the best thing ever for us (because from an evolutionary standpoint, unlimited, novel mates which are all eager to procreate with you is indeed the best thing that could happen to you.) The problem is, it's a lie which is not good for us, and we realize that quickly after relapsing, but this sadly does not stop our brain from believing we accomplished the task of procreating unlimited mates and thus uses delta fos b to keep strengthening that pathway. For more info check out Dr. Trish Leigh's video where she explains how the delta fos b switch works. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZuTeZhog893qaM

[@ronniejamesdio6889]

AJ, if you want to cure your addiction, do a no-porn and no-fap challenge, RESET your day streak only if you search intentionally for porn or sexy pictures, people make the mistake to reset the streak only when you relapse. If some porn ads appears in front of your eyes and it wasn't your intention to see them, don't reset it, just cancel those ads. The danger is not when you see those videos non intentionally, only if u look for them intentionally. Good luck

[@jamiemartinezxz]

Oro puro. Gracias doctora haces mucho por la gente con esto.

[@sorinelciupitu5625]

Ym love you dr trischsoo much.

[@mi8468]

I'm on my way.

[@rtsbeyond]

Dr. Trish I must say the hijacker in my brain hates me for being here. The hijacker in defense claims that those videos I’ve seen aren’t so bad as no one gets hurt and I’m making a big deal out of nothing-after all I found something I liked for once. Concluded by saying I’m the reason I’ll never get to enjoy something like this again and it’s all right there, all for free

[@DrTrishLeigh]

Well, the hijacker is wrong. First of all people are getting hurt. You may not know that it is proven that porn is highly linked to human trafficking and that many of the women in the videos are coerced into being there and indeed are being physically, mentally, and emotionally hurt. Secondly, you are getting hurt. Science shows that it is creating shrinkage in your brain, under activity in your frontal lobe, and desensitization of the reward center in your brain. These brain changes are associated with an increase in anxiety, depression, mood disorders, and erectile dysfunction. Science also shows that it impairs your relationships inherently hurting people in your life. So, in fact, the hijacker is very very wrong. Don’t listen to him! You are stronger than that.

[@Flicker9630]

Today is my day 10 of nofap & no porn.

[@jordantvv1425]

Thank you

[@JM-rl3kf]

Hello Dr. Leigh ,how does it show up on somebody's screen without them looking for it?

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

Because a random search can call it up. You're looking for something else, hit the link, boom.

[@JM-rl3kf]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 makes sense, Thank you 🙂

[@mikeadams9492]

A wonderful video. How will my life look in one year? I will define it. I need your support. I want the new me. Thank you for encouragement and an integrative solution. It's time to jump in with both feet.

[@sonsofliberty9630]

Good luck Mike!

[@allanwalli2935]

Hey Mike, Im with you man! That last couple minutes hit me so hard! It feels scary but damn exciting to be 100% all in on this. Dr Trish and her channel are a gift to all of us who are trying to heal.

[@J.Dior809]

Any way I can talk to you personally?

[@JohnJames-ky2gb]

She has a website in her description

[@J.Dior809]

I Noticed after I wrote the comment

[@williamoforangedidnothingwrong]

Hey Doc it's been a while, not sure if you remember, but you recommended me to read Frank Daemons book *"a world with out porn"* well I started reading it, just wanted to let you know that your reading recommendations didn't go unnoticed. Stay Gucci

[@DrTrishLeigh]

Of course I remember. Great! I’m glad to hear. When we finally meet, you will have to tell me what William orange never did. ;)

[@marianusmaryfi9988]

If we follow her good direction & pray to God for strength I assure you we can do it:) thank you Dr. Trish, God bless you...Ave Mari@

[@thomas4857]

I'd get a small tattoo that says I'm obedient to owner Dr.Trish. My only way to live

[@raynaldoedwards-xd1mj]

Please talk about maladaptive daydreaming

[@issazeele1707]

I want to try your program

[@issazeele1707]

18:31

[@grantross2609]

Porn addiction is so strong that you start wondering what the internet connection might be like in Heaven when you pass thru those pearly gates ! God help us for sure.......

[@sumtingwong2138]

Guys, change your preferred DNS server to 1.1.1.3 This will filter out adult content and will also add an extra layer of malware protection

[@TwoWheels_OO]

What? How? Does this work in Australia or are you scamming?

[@sumtingwong2138]

@@TwoWheels_OO It works worldwide. 1.1.1.1 is a well established DNS server and recently they've added 1.1.1.2 which will filter out just malware and then 1.1.1.3 which will also add protection against adult content. You of course need the discipline to not change it back, but it's an added layer of security against such demons

[@pax4370]

@@sumtingwong2138 how to change dns server for mobile?

[@sumtingwong2138]

@@pax4370 You need to go into your wifi settings > modify network > change your IP settings from DHCP to static > set your IP, gateway, prefix and DNS > Don't go on instagram to replace adult content

[@danielnixon3294]

i feel like im in early 2 its a step in the right direction i realize this stuff f you up

[@bseniour48]

Hi Dr. Is true that excessive masterbation can be one of the cause of acne on the face .

[@C2C99]

Dr. Trish, can pornography cause ptsd? I am very curious about it.

[@andresvm6356]

This is getting me crazy,i know pmo have been destrying my life in silence and i never do it every day i do it like 2 sometimes 3 times a week and i always knew inside of me that something was wrong with me because im 25 never have a girl friend and my life in general is trash my work is horrible i just have 1 job in my life at the age of 21 and still in the same job,i graduate from college almost 2 years ago in criminal justice and dont know what the hell do with that because i dont like it,im a soft person that cant even save my problems,im just a piece of shiet that always have been scare of living life

[@avikadhikary1919]

Hey. Don't think like that . You are special everyone is special. Remember that.

[@Rajatsingh-qv4gh]

I want to do job after one year .I am unemployed right now.

[@auau6696]

Maam i have just one advice and request for you... Why dont you write book on porn... Like deep information you share on your every videos...

[@danielnixon3294]

something i watched a religious thing i know sucess comes from consistency

[@Rocku01]

Hey doc remember that video you made on those skills we can improve. Is luminosity proven to work for that? What’s your professional opinion?

[@Eurodollartrader]

Can you do a video explaining how the mirror neurons work? I remember reading about that they play a role.

[@willcornejo2395]

I know you talk about porn consumption, but I was thinking is not only the porn consumption but the masturbation that you endings up doing, And also I was thinking with out masturbation it it is hard not to think about sex and it doesn't has to be with your co worker but any female you see. Everyone talk about quitting porn but they don't mention to quit masturbation.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

Dr. Trish does mention to quit masturbation, as part of the porn detox phase in other videos

[@tomfazio2965]

You have to quit masturbation

[@Scarface_iii]

She’s so fire but ion if thts the addict in me 🗣😐😤

[@hsanhmdon3942]

wish me luck🔥

[@josephpriester3279]

Happy mother

[@mauriciollamasromero]

Wish me luck because of this porn addiction i started to feel agoraphobia and general anxiety help 😢 iam 39 i don't want this anymore this is demonic fight the new drug will quiting porn help with anxiety problems 😢

[@christian_in_Spain]

Trust me, having accepted that you have a problem and being able to own up to it tells me that you have already come a long way towards recovery. All of us are in the same boat, we are all on the same journey to free ourselves from p#rn. I am on day 18, I never thought I’d ever come this far. It helps me enormously to read all those comments of men who just like me are fighting this demon. Also Trish‘s videos help me a lot.

[@eltonsvendsen429]

I’m looking for a link to get a headband

[@DrTrishLeigh]

The Muse headband is 20% off right now. Here is the link drtrishleigh.com/muse-headband/

[@sanadAL-gamdi]

İ just try to stop thinking of men All my think is old man İ don't know what happened to me I'm man and every single time with me thinking about some older guys İ would like to get married from woman but i can't stop that nigitve 🤔 think

[@sanadAL-gamdi]

Please try to help me as you can İ would like to be sright guy that think came to me when I was child 10years

[@tromboneman4517]

Sounds like you’re struggling with Homosexual OCD.

[@louminati4318]

Let me tell you I was battling with sex and class a drug addiction for 25 years. It is progressive and doesn't end well. Now coming up to 6 years clean after the mother of rock bottoms.