Interview with Rubén Goméz - Interpreting Hebrew Roots Globally

[@andreawade1578]

This is spot on. I'm glad to have another resource about the Hebrew Roots deception. Thank you so much for this excellent interview.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Glad it was helpful, Andrea! Shalom, Rob

[@cherylburnett2014]

The Hebrew roots is not a deception. The deception is that the church thinks it doesn’t have to keep the commandments of God. He tells us who the saints are. They are those who keep the commandments of God and the testimony/faith of Jesus.

[@KamalasFakePolls]

​@@cherylburnett2014The apostle Paul says otherwise.

[@amyhenningsgard8618]

@@cherylburnett2014The commandments of The Lord Yeshua: Love the Lord with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Love your neighbor as yourself. 📖🕊️🌹

[@cherylburnett2014]

@@amyhenningsgard8618 he was quoting Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19. He said ALL the commandments hang on these two. He didn’t say they were the only ones. He taught the Torah. Paul did too.

[@cheryll137]

Excellent interview. Everything said is right on. I'm a gentile that was in the messianic movement for 25 yrs. God pulled me out after I starting knowing the Bible more and questioning what was being taught. I had friends in the HR movement and everything said here is what I experienced. You can't reason with them. You show them scripture and it's like they have a vail over them, they don't see the true meaning of it, they twist scripture. It's true what Mr. Gomez states. They believe they were gentiles and now they are Israelites because they say after you're grafted into the olive tree. You become an Israelite, so you must follow the Torah now, there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile as they teach they are the one new man. They say Christians don't understand the bible because they do not have a Jewish mindset. And there hatred for Christians is unbelievable. Since I've come out of it, I'm seeing they're many more having the same experience as me and coming out of it too. Much prayer is needed for many others to see the truth. Thank you both for exposing this dangerous religion as more come out of it. Mr. Solberg, I'm currently reading your book, it too is spot on to my experience. Now I will add Mr. Gomez book to my studies. Thank you both for exposing the lies of these movements. God bless you both

[@simplydanny]

I’ve had the same experience with them, unfortunately I have close family members still in it. What are you now if I may ask?

[@jjx1743]

It's incredible that you came out of the HRM after so much time. My son got trapped in it and I'm praying God opens his eyes and gives him discernment to recognize the deceptive Bible teachings that he's getting

[@cheryll137]

​@@simplydanny I'm a Christian. I was saved at a calvary chapel years ago. I went back after my divorce

[@cheryll137]

​​@@jjx1743 I started in it because my husband who is now my ex, is Jewish in nationality, but went to a Christian church when I met him years ago. We met a person who was messianic and asked us to a passover in which my ex participated in many times as a child. When he saw you could enjoy the feasts and still believe in the messiah dieing for our sins, he loved it. I was hesitant, but I was still somewhat of a new believer. I kept wrestling with the feasts and how the messianic pastor and friends at the time kept making me feel guilty for not observing it. Being divorced now, I didn't need to obey my husband anymore, I left it, but felt guilty and went back to it. In 2019, i finally cut ties with it. It's hard to break free, i went through so much guilt and condemnation, until I finally felt the freedom of Christ when I started back at calvary. I lift up prayers to all involved or maybe feeling stuck in this religion. God will bring them out of it. They may not be willing to hear or believe us. But they can't run from our prayers

[@Shoop8964]

Praise God. I was in the HR movement for about 3 years. It was by God’s grace that I began to see the problems. I did not take the vail off myself.

[@JustOneStitch]

Mr Gomez was spot on with what goes on in this movement. The education/discussion on the two houses of Israel was great! I am so encouraged and comforted knowing this is being talked about. Thank you! ~ Kathryn Dockins

[@rubeng]

Thank you very much, Kathryn. I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate what you have been sharing on your KZbin channel. Keep up the good work!

[@JustOneStitch]

@@rubeng Thank you for your encouragement and kindness.

[@linak7155]

What is a cult? The church down the street. I believe some Messianic Jewish groups feel uncomfortable at seeing ppl who desire to worship in a more Hebraic way. I have been told that due to my maiden hood there's a likelihood I might be of Jewish heritage. I really don't put much stock on it one way or the other. Of this I am convinced. Scripture testifies that those with a circumcised heart, those who are a new creation, are those who are His.Those who observe religious rituals out of obligation only without a new creation, are not His. And those who claim they are a new creation, but who, by their indulgence of the flesh and rebellion against the commandments of God, reveal that their heart is far from Him, are likewise not His - Mat 7:21-23, Jam 1:22, 1 Joh 2:3-5. Eph 2:11-13, 19-20 And this is the critical point. I do not consider myself a Gentile any longer, because I am no longer a foreigner and stranger to the covenant of promise which God made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We have also inherited that promise, that covenant, and that relationship, through the blood of Jesus Christ, along with those who are His among the descendants of Abraham in the flesh. We have been brought into the household of God and are also now His children (Joh 1:10-13 The church does not replace the nation of Israel (do not make the mistake of some - God has not cast away His people, Rom 11:1-2)! Rather, the Gentiles have been grafted in among the nation of Israel by the blood of Christ Jesus (Rom 11:16-18), so that there is one faith and one people of God (Eph 4:4-6) In these last days, Israel, who has always kept Torah (the written Word) is recognizing Messiah (the living expression of the written Word, (Joh 1:1,14), even though He has been veiled to them according to prophecy until the proper time (Rom 11:25). And in these last days, Christians, who have kept faith in Messiah (the living expression of the written Word) are recognizing Torah (the written Word), even though it has been veiled to them according to prophecy until the proper time.

[@danielh4621]

@@linak7155 just to make a statment. You can be a gentile and also be a part of israel too. Gentile does not mean pegan. Remember rhere were a mix multitude who came out of Egypt to be israel. Grafted into the olive tree means we follow his commandments. Keep his commandments.

[@linak7155]

​​​​@@danielh4621 I take that statement as your opinion.The word 'goy' is a group of people who descends from a patriarch, such as Abraham who was a 'goy' of the nations. The problem as I see it is that of exclusivity within some branches of Messianic Judaism who insist on making distinctions. Scripture attests Israel is one and the covenant, one.

[@Megz207]

Great interview of which explains so much. Will look into this book for certain. Thank you for taking the time to get into the details. I didn’t know, but was caught up in this for a few years. Studying the Word is key; not just reading the Bible.

[@manna7471]

Thanks from Germany 🕊 ❣. The same is going on here, so sad. God bless you and your ministry.

[@rayray4192]

It’s called self righteousness. As if God cares about a man’s sacrifice. God loathes Hebrew roots heretics. They spit in the face of Jesus

[@christinecrawford8906]

This was such an informative interview! Thank you so much. My son went from Oneness Pentacostal to Hebrew Roots. He has gigantic volumes of scripture with different definitions for words that make it hard to communicate, like you mentioned. These videos help immensely. God bless your ministries!

[@glenmorse9533]

I came out of Hebrew Roots. I started coming out around 2016-17 or so. I go back to being in the Worldwide Church of God starting in 1983 or so. In the book Torahism by R.L. Solberg, he mentions the Worldwide Church of God being Hebrew Roots. I thought it was because it was just like Hebrew Roots in so many ways. It takes years for it to come out of me though. I came out of Hebrew Roots too, everything all of it, I'm Christion now. I still have so much to learn, but I'm getting it, I'm with you all, God bless you! Ps. I ordered Ruben Gomez's book too. This is such an interesting subject to me that I want to know all of this!

[@nvdxn]

How do you differentiate between Hebrew Roots and being a Christian, are you saying people in Hebrew Roots aren’t Christians?

[@glenmorse9533]

@@nvdxn No I'm not saying people in Hebrew Roots aren't Christians. I am saying I was in it, found flaws in it myself, and felt I don't belong there if I want to believe I am saved. Me- I couldn't believe I was saved there and had to leave to acquire the salvation I longed for that was lacking in me. Others there can determine for themselves what they believe. I don't know everything. Maybe they know something I don't know of. So far, I have found evidence for me. Here is what I judge for myself- I didn't believe I was saved in Hebrew Roots, now in grace alone salvation through Jesus Christ alone not one work of my own I believe I am saved!

[@glenmorse9533]

In Hebrew Roots I never referred to myself as being Christion, I was Hebrew roots. In the worldwide Church of God, I didn't refer myself to as being Christion either, I was an ambassador of the Kingdom of God.

[@glenmorse9533]

If someone is in Hebrew Roots and calls themselves and others in it a Christion, I have no quarrel at all with that. I never even thought about it. What do you think it is? I don't know!

[@glenmorse9533]

@@JeffSmith-it4tm good for you, God bless you!

[@stringerchick3650]

I was almost sucked into this having stayed so far in my life from Christ when I was ready to come back I was just so eager to please my Father in Heaven that I thobk the rules made it feel like I knew the things to do to make him happy

[@rayray4192]

Jesus is happy with a love relationship. In the sermon on the mount Jesus is clear that he desires mercy; not sacrifice.

[@samthemacman]

Great interview, really appreciate it. I recently left the movement.

[@joe1940]

It's hard to categorize Hebrew Roots because they don't have a governing body or denominational structure, but a lot of them have definitely crossed over into cult territory. Groups like LDS , JWs ect all have a problem with Paul and a lot of the Hebrew Roots people do the same thing.

[@cherylburnett2014]

There aren’t very many people in the Hebrew Roots movement who have rejected Paul.

[@cherylburnett2014]

@@JeffSmith-it4tm Jeff, you are correct.

[@barryblackwood6050]

It always strikes me as off to say HR has a problem with Paul. I think people would possibly call me HR but Paul caused me to check into 2nd Temple Judaism & following God's instructions made entire sense as I could see the arguments Paul was making against Normative Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism teaching. Whole perspective of gentiles coming into faith. It made me understand why Jesus & the Pharisees fought too. Then I knew it doesn't need to have anything to do with the 2 houses of Israel at all but we can be like Rahab or Ruth ( from other nations ) & make Israel's God ours through trusting to be adopted into the New Covenant. No Proselyte rubbish required that made the Law of God non effect just trust & obedience & your in. . We can be grafted in closely or come under the King Jesus as an obedient member from the nations who accepts Covenant terms to be in His Kingdom. Powerful Kings often conquered many nations but there was then one Law over all to administer it. Get ready for Jesus who will rule with an iron rod those who previously rejected it & come worship God in the way He calls for is how I am seeing it. The OT always said about the sojourners that there is one Law for all. Not separate things for a sojourner too. If you want to live with God it is His Way. No more deceptive practices against your neighbour. Righteousness is part of the fulfilling of the command to Love when the heart is desiring the true things of God peace can reign in the midst. 🙌

[@gfalexan]

I dont think they reject paul at all. Just by reading his own writings it sounds like he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. One minute he is for gods law and the next he's against back and forth. Most of them think what paul is saying is misinterpreted and im starting to agree after looking at his words. You literally have to take half of what he says and disregard it for it to even make sense the way most of Christianity says it does. I think he is a smart cookie and what Peter said 2nd peter 3:16 kinda gives a clue.

[@pauldamesmusic]

They have problem with me?

[@TonyYuEvangelism]

Hebrew Roots Hermeneutics: 1. Start with a conclusion 2. Look for supporting evidence 3. Ignore contrary evidence

[@LarryCulp-oe8td]

A text without CONTEXT IS NOTHING BUT A pretext"

[@heidiranger6106]

It is so interesting that Verse in Acts Ch 15 I was discussing tonight and I told him almost identically the same thing he said.👍😃

[@Gigi2four]

This was great! Thanks for doing the interview with Mr. Gomez.

[@stacierivas5361]

I so enjoyed this video and his insights into Hebrew roots. I really want to read his book. I am just curious if anyone else is noticing that these Torah observant groups seem to tend towards studying apocryphal books like Enoch, Jubilees, Jasher etc to help support their beliefs about keeping Torah. Would love if you would consider addressing this in any future videos! God bless you both for the work you are doing!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Stacie. Yes, I have seen certain sects of Torahism lean heavily on the apocryphal books for their theology. I'm working on some material about those books. Blessings, Rob

[@gfalexan]

Wasnt the apocrypha actually part of the bible until the 1600's?

[@barryblackwood6050]

Protestants removed Apocrypha & those other books are earlier information that was passed down & Jewish understanding has them passed onto Noah & kept as a record. Sure do need care in the reading as some parts oppose & are generally just disregarded as additions. They are found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls materials & quoted verbatim in Jude. It explains a lot of information about creation & the fall from the perspective of what the ACTUAL evil was that made God flood the earth. Shines light in what to expect as to Christ sayings about the end of days evil being like the days of Noah. Most churches won't touch them as useful for Instruction which IMO is being negatively selective & removing the wisdom that Both Christ & the Apostles were familiar with. Blessings

[@debblouin]

43:05 The creator of The Passion Translation, Brian Simmons, is engaging in that type of flawed hermeneutics: all of the possible meanings of a word exist concurrently. He refers to it as homonyms, as if the existence of a homonym means that the meaning of word can be inferred and interpreted using the homonym as well as the extant word.

[@jonlambert817]

Everything that Mr gomez says in this interview corresponds perfectly with my own research in to the origins of Hebrew roots, world wide church of God, Armstrong, millerites etc... But he brings more depth. Excellent interview! Buying the book😊 god bless you both!

[@deborahdunn5594]

I am so very happy to come across this interview!!!! I was seeking a book on Hebrew Roots in Spanish because I also attend a Hispanic congregation which is Baptistic, but there are a few women who have come under the influences of this movement. I really want to help them! I will go to Pastor Gomez website to see if he also has the book in Spanish, maybe Las Frutas Amargas del Movimiento de los Raizes Hebreos?

[@laura-evadean7083]

So grateful for your work!

[@freedominchrist444]

Much of HRM doctrine also comes from a popular biblical method of intepretation called PARDES that originates in the Zohar the main text for kabbalah aka Jewish mysticism. The 4th level of PARDES is called the sod level which is the esoteric level. The popular two house teaching is based alot on their intepreting scriptures from the sod level of PARDES. It is the most popular method of biblical intepretation in HRM. Many mainstream HRM teachers use it but their students dont know its origin is kabbalah. I was in the movement for 18 yrs.

[@joshuamelton9148]

That what I heard as well. Very interesting

[@glenmorse9533]

@@joshuamelton9148 Jesus did fulfill the law. We humans can't we are sinners; Jesus did it for us in our place.

[@joshuamelton9148]

@@glenmorse9533 Jesus did fulfill the law.

[@ExNihiloComesNothing]

And those books (Zohar and Talmud) are utterly blasphemous and damnable.

[@RandomTChance]

Excellent presentation. 🙏🕊️🙏

[@RandomTChance]

God created all days regardless of who camped out on them in a past age.

[@merrybachelorette]

Thank you so much. I am only discovering your channel the last few days and am watching in a marathon everything I can. I have come out of Mormonism and I have sincerely been trying to detangle so much and was scared about finding myself just inside another pagan lie- learning the true history about the council of Nicea and the counsel of Jerusalem, and also learning the true origins of the word Easter and detangling how it developed versus the pagan claim has been so hard for me!! I am trusting the Bible now but I realize that I haven’t been trusting anything and it’s been a slow walk-

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

I'm glad you found us, Mary! Blessings, RLS

[@Shoop8964]

This is a great discussion. Thank you for sharing. I remember many of the things discussed about Hebrew Roots and I can attest to the bad fruits. I myself had some bad fruit during the time I was engrossed in it. I have had to apologize to family members for arguments I had and am still experiencing the untangling of it all. I guess I learned from experience unfortunately. It’s been humbling.

[@bekah9353]

Such a fantastic interview! When it comes to defining terms, I’ve heard my HRM friends reference the Complete Jewish Bible translation of the Bible in defense of their definition of many terms and lean on it for their hermeneutics as well… Do you have any content/thoughts on that translation especially in the context of Torahism and Bíblical Christianity?

[@savvycavvy7859]

You guys also made me think of 2Cor 10- The weapons of our warfare are for the destruction of Fortresses= Ochuroma= reasonings by which a disputant endeavors to fortify his opinion! And we are destroying speculations=Logismos= “Reasoning such as is hostile to the faith“. And we are taking every thought captive-Thought= “Noema”= “A mental perception“, also “an evil purpose“! That’s the way I see this entire passage brothers! Exposing false doctrines, exposing false gospels, and the teaching that we are complete in Christ! It’s not a partial, it is complete! We don’t turn back from a new covenant, and then run back to a former tutor that led us to Messiah! Substance wins over shadows!!!

[@leonaperdue8784]

What Paul has to say is the very reason HRM diminish him and use Peter’s comment about “difficulty” to understand Paul as why Paul cannot be taken literally. He is diminished just like Jesus is. Little by little.

[@estilldotson2284]

Time 39:23)If it’s not on the text how do you get around this Jer 31:31-33 , Eze 37:16-26,Heb 8:8 I mean it seems pretty clear to me I mean is that not how you have two branches becoming one?

[@savvycavvy7859]

Thanks Rob and Ruben Cortez. I appreciate you guys contending for the faith/gospel! HRM Is not to be taken lightly. I’m thinking of Colossians 1:28. We proclaim Jesus! In so doing, it states that we admonish every man, in order that we might all be COMPLETE in Christ. Complete = “Teleios”=Finished! Perfect! Wanting NOTHING needed for completeness!!!

[@thelighthouse1604]

My husband heard him at conference well over 20 years plus years ago in California at the messianic Jewish congregation he was attending.

[@stellacat1950]

we understand because we are made in His image. Thanks

[@rayray4192]

Ruben is very cool. Great discussion/ interview.

[@barryblackwood6050]

I got saved dramatically & the Holy Spirit, not man was the One who turned me onto knowing we are called to obedience. I read the Bible front to back when Jesus came to me. He healed me from a 20 year back injury. Total change. Praise Him.🙌 Pain killer & alcohol abuse gone. It was the Holy Spirit who asked me to look up Easter in the dictionary. Easter was worshipped using eggs & hares as a fertility goddess at a calendar time God didn't create. That is a true saying. Now I keep Passover as memorial cause my Saviour is the Lamb of God. Never looked back but share & be kind about it now to others. I was initially quite disappointed & hurt to be considered a weirdo by denominations but so be it.. Christ as the firstborn of the dead is also the Waive Sheaf of Barley. The Barley is the promise of the Wheat Harvest to come. Praise Him The day of resurrection, just like His death & his day of return & birth are there in the Feasts. The True meaning of everything is determined by God. If we are wise we will not be tempted to think He changes like Satan used in the Garden. . God isn't contradictory . God says do not worship me in the way the heathens worship their gods. We are told not to overlay meaning. Sure we can ascribe good to what God calls bad but it won't end well. And unless we agree with God in my understanding that makes us rebels. Those who find objection to God's instruction don't fully realise Jesus died to bring us out of being slaves to sin & enemies of God. 1 John3:4 says what sin is in case you are new & didn't understand from all the preceding OT words that you may not have read. If we don't realise the deceptiveness of sin that Paul talks about we repeat the garden.. We end up with foundations that are so movable that gay pastors & gender dysphoria are embraced because of *further revelation that leaves all interpretation separated from God's meaning. If God changes he isn't reliable if His Word changes we have a Saviour that can change & be progressive to a point indistinguishable from the World & that could remove even traditional Christianity & change salvations parameters. Christianity seems to have changed the parameters because that "Jesus" is based on us determining that God changes to suit us & call it revelation. My understanding is Salvation is the ongoing of restoration of relationship. We are travelling back to the garden with Christ back to the simplicity of obedience which ends up being the love of God & man & walking with God in the cool if the day not ashamed because we are clothed with the righteousness that shines & no longer naked & ashamed.. The man of lawlessness makes up his own ways so there are 2 different paths with 2 different versions of Jesus is what is being spoken of here in my understanding. I see the Covenants as the means for the RETURN of all mankind to God. The UNITY of distinct people needs a common Constitution of Faith so we can worship together without confusion our Creator God. He calls us to have an identity of Holiness within that is plenty of freedom of expression of individuality you may never have explored that with the Spirit . Holiness & true religion is to look after the poor the widow orphan & sojourners in your gate without defiling yourself. We become like RUTH & are totally absorbed into Israel as the Hebrew suggests or we are sojourners who are not Israel but are through faith responsible to keep the Covenant commands to our King who protects us & thereby live under ONE LAW for all & unity exists or you get what happens on earth now confusion & depravity for the multitudes of vain philosophies . Galatians 3 is future tense & the body of Christ is the judge. What pagan would be interested to judge Jewish Feasts ( that are actually God's) & Isaiah 66. Did it for me too. Knowing that the Sabbath's are future. Showed me how whoever exists in the New Heavens & Earth will be worshipping. If you don't understand Proselytism you don't understand why it was rejected by Paul. How are we all going to worship together when all the people raised from ancient times that had faith that is different to Christianity? . We all need to come to the words of Life without preconceived ideas like I was enabled 🙌 & be taught of the Spirit of Truth. God is good. That God is the Creator whose name is Salvation. In that day His Name shall be One. Amen. Be blessed.🙏

[@OneSparrow-76]

Excellent! And helpful!

[@savedbygrace7982]

All my friends who have gotten into Hebrew roots have come from dispensationalism and believe that Israel has a special place in heaven, and it seems they want to be a part of that. Ezekial when interpreted literally says the sojourners will get certain promises as well. I’m wondering what you think of that possible connection?

[@andylittlechild3642]

Straight forward reading of a strait forward teaching There is no ambiguity whatsoever in what Paul is saying

[@joshuamelton9148]

Very informative video. Sometimes it feels like with some Hebrew roots proponents they take trying to be Jewish to almost parody levels

[@kristinquezada1896]

Wonderful interview. Question, do you or Gomez have any thoughts on HR saying that Jesus only fulfilled half of the feasts…. Do you know where this came from? If Jesus is our high priest and fulfilled everything why do people say he only fulfilled half? Isn’t that a contradiction to His own words?

[@barretod21]

I watched a 119 Ministries video about Matthew 5:17. The “teacher” takes the word fulfill and translates it to “bring it to its fullness” or something to that extent. Then he states that Paul’s writings are just misunderstood. That you must test Paul’s writings against scripture that is clear. This is a very dangerous teaching.

[@rayray4192]

Paul is clear. He defines his previous life Torah observation to have the value of dog shit.

[@rayray4192]

Naive and gullible. They want to believe in something- how about Jesus?

[@rayray4192]

Fulfill does mean bring to fullness. I use the word “ complete.” When the tutor finished teaching the rebellious Hebrews a lesson the tutor retired. Hebrew roots heretics have the tutor in chains locked in a basement. They are not Christians.

[@RandomTChance]

​@@rayray4192RIGHT! ✌️🤠

[@rayray4192]

Paul’s inspired writing is clear. The common cry is Paul is misunderstood or that Paul didn’t understand Jesus. It’s a lie.

[@jonuvark2385]

Thank you again for another great teaching. You both are spot on. It's unfortunate HR has hijacked the study and interpretation of the Hebrew language (GOD'S language). I've been a Missler fan since the 90's and have a natural curiosity about the Hebrew language.

[@barryblackwood6050]

That is a problem from both perspectives. Each "side" of this discussion of what the original gospel doctrine is, has the opportunity to misunderstand & place in the text words & meaning but as Bereans with the help of the Holy Spirit to be humble & pray, we have, with textual criticism scholarship & vast amounts of Greek general texts of the time being translated with digitised access for scholars to find out a lot. There is much more information than any other generation to gain insight & test if what we have been told us true. That may be the impetus for quite different word choices & comprehension of meaning too.. What sparked knowledge to increase could be the Holy Spirit restoring. A lot of flimsy Christian doctrine has lead to a falling away of standards we used to know were godly. I am a seeker. God has done a lot for me. I can't praise His patience & work in me enough. I am still a sinner but also a great hoper in Him drawing me. This may be too much for you but I hope you can bear with me. My faith experience led me to test Easter when reading the Bible, The Holy Spirit asked me to look up the word, Easter. I had read the Bible front to back once at this time ( I was saved by Jesus in my early 40's) I knew from the Bible God didn't desire His people to worship Him using the ways pagans worship their gods. So I had a brain & heart ache about it, now I knew that & was not sure what to do. Easter & what little Protestant understanding I had from a short church stint to be obedient to the gather together instruction was standard fare doctrine for me. I actually learnt how to make hot cross buns to show love & worship but had to stop it. I wasn't sure what to do with the void. Was then led into Sabbath & after that began " keeping a memorial Passover like modern Jews from reading on the internet. Don't want to be a Jew with Judaism but had to start somewhere. Have learnt a lot more about JUDAISM which helped me understand the things Jesus & the Apostles & God were talking about. So it is a journey of trust with my Abba Father. Passover is so much better & makes more sense than Easter even when I was on my own remembering what it meant in both Covenants & trying to seek what it's future meaning is when Christ returns. The Lamb of God our Saviour was raised on First Fruits (Barley) Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread Biblically. Always the First day of the week according to Priests but the Rabbis read it as 16th day of the first Biblical month & that is their Jewish Calendar but I'm no Proselyte without Christ. I keep the 1 Cor 5 Feast like Paul said to in memorial. Jesus is described as the First Fruits of the dead in NT too. The next harvest is the Wheat in the Biblical calendar. That Feast is the only time ANY LEAVENED thing can be presented before God. 2 massive leavened loaves of wheat are presented. Did you know the Law at Mt Sinai was given to Moses on Shavuot according to the ancient Jewish sages? The New Covenant states God will write His Law in your heart if you are Israel. Jesus said He only came for the lost sheep of Israel too. Now that was confronting! The promise to Abraham was all the nations on earth shall be blessed through him. ( The seed ) The Foreigners who trusted God that came out under the blood of the Lamb with Israel in the Exodus were in Covenant & the Mosaic Law was one Law for All. Pentecost after Christ's Ascension was the first major sign given of the Spirit resting in men to perform a sign in the New Covenant too. Many say this was the start of the church but Christ blew the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles before His Ascension. The Temple offering for Pentecost was 2 leavened loaves of wheat. I wonder who are the 2 loaves represented that have leaven in them but are permitted to be offered in God's Presence? Maybe Jew & Gentile who believe in Christ as Saviour & are given righteousness by being given forgiveness in Christ's blood? Maybe Judah & the other tribes that went into exile ? Not sure. I've got to head off I know we can all learn more of God's Ways & be pleasing. Blessings

[@danocinneide1885]

Very respectfully... How can anyone overlook that Christ established His Church to teach with His Authority?

[@ronniewright6639]

Does the 7th Day Adventist movement fall under the HR system?

[@24vignettes94]

Do you find an intersection of HRM and flat earth believers? I only ask because there is a person that grew up in the same Christian church as I did that espouses flat earthism and HRM (although she and her husband bristle at the term HRM) beliefs.

[@jamestom2510]

we need so much more of this type of discussion, because the average joe isnt educated enough to understand Lingual context, and historical contaxt, and words that were used in the 1800s to get our basic english bible arent the same as they are today......... We need Contextual education.

[@disciplemike1]

The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; Psalms 19:7

[@cherylburnett2014]

Amen!!!!

[@torahtimes5380]

Nomos also means CUSTOM

[@FormerTrucker]

What about Jeremiah 14? the BHI often use that one verse where it says black onto the ground as evidence that the Israelites were black. But if you read chapters after that you read Jeremiah talking about sack cloth and ashes. If someone is covered in ashes and on sackcloth they would be black on the ground.

[@jjx1743]

Very interesting. I wasn't aware of how wide spread HRM is

[@MrPioneerlight2011]

It is my belief that MOST of this goes back to Seventh-day Adventism............and their mandatory Sabbath keeping, their promotion of Levitical food laws, mandating the OT tithing upon its members and dabbling into the "benefits" of keeping the Hebrew Feast Days, etc....I was in that cult for over 20 years...

[@alanalynn2023]

Most of the folks i met in HR were either former SDAs or WWC of God

[@salpezzino7803]

Whose roots began with the Millerites

[@cherylburnett2014]

Every person in the early church was keeping the Sabbath, eating according to God’s law, which doesn’t change. I don’t understand how people who claim to believe can say that the commandments of God have been done away with.

[@salpezzino7803]

@@cherylburnett2014 That is a Lie. All liars will enjoy the Lake of Fire. Sorry, the Gentile didn't. Sorry, Dear you sit under some terrible teaching

[@cherylburnett2014]

@@salpezzino7803 if you believe that God doesn’t change and His word doesn’t change, then you believe we should keep the commandments including the Sabbath. We don’t get to remove one and keep the other 9. We can’t take away from the word of God.

[@jennyclairewaite42]

Prob I have is why Xmas ? Is it biblical .. did he ask it of us ?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Jenny. I think we can consider Christmas biblical insofar as it is a celebration and commemoration of the people, events and truth of the Bible, specifically the miraculous birth of the promised Messiah: Jesus. Remembering and celebrating the things that God has done for His people through history is an entirely biblical practice. Does the Bible _ask_ us to celebrate that event? No. Does it forbid it? No. RLS

[@mike29shan25]

1954mill i agree with you about their problems….its pretty toxic. I changed my job for the Sabbath and ate kosher for a few years. But when we get our groceries out at same time as our neighbor, are we worried if they have pork in their bags or are we concerned because their elderly and should weed eat their yard or something like that. Do we look at them funny because they mow on Saturday?…well maybe we should mow their yard and ours on Saturday!….it goes on and on….a yoke of slavery!…a yoke or covenant to the flesh….people know there is something missing in their churches because the Spirit is missing in them for the most part so people are searching….it would be great if the Word was read out loud in assemblies (a lot less sermons) and people wouldn’t be deceived by doctrines and traditions of men(Mark 7)….or deceived by Hebrew Roots…the Holy Spirit would lead congregations….Yeshua/Jesus will set us free from religion and sin if we seek him…John 8….Jesus says his brothers and sisters are they who do what he says….Matthew 13(parable of sower)…..

[@Shoop8964]

Yes, the burden gets worse as time goes on because living in a non-Jewish nation makes truly living out the law very difficult. Which is likely why it isn’t required of us! How much time is used trying to keep Israel’s laws in a gentile nation rather than spreading the gospel. When I was in HR movement, I got OCD about things…I’m talking checking the ingredients of soaps, shampoos, toothpaste, vitamins, etc., not eating pizza because the slicer was probably used for pepperoni, the same for lunch meat. I would wash my hands so much! I developed eczema probably both from the hand washing and the stress.

[@Shoop8964]

I’d say the most dangerous part of it is thinking of oneself more highly because they attempt to keep the Mosaic law. Pride comes before the fall…

[@tbishop4961]

Sounds like you made it that way for yourself

[@jesusrevival-ministriessan3016]

Those who reject "Christmas" and "Easter" as pagan holidays must likewise then reject the names of our days of the week, because for example, the day we call Wednesday (Wodenesdag) comes from the name of the pagan god "Woden" and Saturday from "Saturn"- Does this not show just how ridiculous this line of reasoning is? "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain." (Titus 3:9)

[@franklingood]

Should we not desire to obey the commands we can keep because we've been given everything in Jesus?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Franklin! Yes, I believe that we should desire to obey the commands of Jesus. And you'll notice that neither Jesus nor the New Testament authors or apostles or disciples ever mentioned eating kosher, keeping the Mosaic Shabbat, keeping the Torah feasts, being circumcised, or wearing tzitzit as part of how we follow Jesus. We're free to do those things if we want, but they are not required of us (1 Cor 9:19-23). Blessings, Rob

[@1089S]

Sabbath was made for man, not man for sabbath.

[@nvdxn]

Amen The Sabbath was made for us so keep it 😊

[@adamguy33]

Saturday and Sundays are my sabbath days I keep two sabbaths a week , doubling my holy days oh yeah

[@graysonbr]

RL, waiting for you to do some vlogs on how some Gentiles will apply OT levitical nomism as well in their congregations. Feeling like you're not confronting enough of that scenario. There is a reason some leave their congregation for a Hebrew roots church.🤔

[@vernmiroth1626]

What he talks about at 10:00 is quite interesting, he says "we feel" several things,,,no, it is not feelings. It is from our own study we have objectively determined that yes, the "church" has concealed truth since it's beginnings. 14:38 was perfect, it isn't possible to make a logical case against it. Too many assumptions are introduced as facts, such as his assumptions about "we feel" certian truths

[@vernmiroth1626]

15:30, ad hominem

[@vernmiroth1626]

What R.L. Solberg says at 17:20 is quite interesting. I've long said the very opposite is true, we are breaking down that wall that the church has constructed, refuting the lie that Torah is not for the nations but only for ethnic Israelis

[@vernmiroth1626]

22:12ish,,, I don't believe that's even close to an established fact, that kind people are a minority among Hebrew roots and I believe it's a very unfair and prejudicial statement

[@jimengel7332]

​@@vernmiroth1626 sounds like you feel that way

[@vernmiroth1626]

At and about 30 -32 minutes he's talking about the alleged forerunners of Hebrew roots, which he says is World Wide Church of God/H. Armstrong, which he correctly states began in the 1920s. For all the research this guy alleges to have done, why doesn't he mention Church of God (7th day)? COG7 predates Wordwide by 30+ years and Armstrong began there

[@truthwatch2858]

Amen so interesting and true ❤

[@aaronlewis8948]

Speaking of the manuscripts, Brian Simmons, who claims to be an apostle (he's a part of the New Apostolic Reformation), and claims that God told him to write The Passion Translation, makes the claim that the New Testament was written in Aramaic. That makes absolutely no sense, since it would not have made sense for the Apostle Paul to write in Aramaic to Greek speaking people who didn't know Aramaic.

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

NAR is aids. God bless

[@savedbygrace7982]

Just a clarification- ‘replacement theology’ which I assume by that you are meaning covenant theology-does not believe the church REPLACES Israel. It says what the Bible says-we are the Israel of GOD. Meaning we are the sons of Abraham by faith. That is what the Bible says. People who believe in covenant theology in no way try to be Israelites culturally. They simply believe you have to have faith to go to heaven. And being from Israel doesn’t give you a leg up on going to heaven if you don’t have faith. But I think that is the confusion of some going into the Hebrew roots. Growing up in a very dispensational church that held Israel to an almost sacred status, it seemed to me they somehow were going to heaven in a different way than gentiles. And I know a lot of other dispensationalists are confused as well. Like there is a third status. There is the church (that for some reason is assumed to be only gentile), there are believing Jews (who will definitely go to heaven) and then there are the ones who aren’t Christian Jews but they are still God’s chosen people so it gives this impression that they will go to heaven anyway. Lots of confusion for me growing up with that. And a lot of friends from my church are now Hebrew roots.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

This article might be helpful for you. "Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Adherents of replacement theology believe the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel." www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html RLS

[@tbishop4961]

10:00 describes all religious people perfectly

[@scripturaltruth7636]

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: Joh 1:13 who were born not of blood [A family relationship due to birth] , nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

[@room2growrose623]

The most troubling aspect with the black Hebrew Israelites is they preach adherence to the assertion that black people are the true Jews as first principles, then works, then Christ. My sister, who is one, has literally taken the scripture about all nations being blessed through Abraham and made it to mean belief in the Jews is what saves you. I can no longer use New Testament texts to verify teaching differences in the new covenant and even more they have a strange obsession with the apocrypha but despise the Catholic Church!? It’s just crazy making!! She didn’t even wish me a happy birthday this year, but she sure asked for gifts for hers. Lol😂 🤦🏽‍♀️.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Yes, it's crazy, indeed! And frustrating to discuss because of its irrationality. Blessings, Rob

[@michaeldunigan1067]

To rightly divide the Word of truth Law must be kept in it's proper place and in accordance with the proper application. Hebrew roots fails on both accounts. Law is not the center of religion. God is. And Law is not the way of salvation. Yeshua is. Yeshua is the path to the Father. The only way.

[@scripturaltruth7636]

THE LIGHT WAS IN THE WORLD, BUT PEOPLE LOVED THE DARKNESS Exo_20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick DARKNESS where God was. Deu_5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick DARKNESS, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone and delivered them unto me. Deu_5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the DARKNESS, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders Jos_24:7 And when they cried unto the LORD, he put DARKNESS between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea upon them, and covered them; and your eyes have seen what I have done in Egypt: and ye dwelt in the wilderness a long season. 1Sa_2:9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in DARKNESS; for by strength shall no man prevail. 2Sa_22:10 He bowed the heavens also and came down; and DARKNESS under his feet. 2Sa_22:12 And he made DARKNESS pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. 1Ki_8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick DARKNESS. 2Ch_6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick DARKNESS. Psa_18:9 He bowed the heavens also and came down: and DARKNESS was under his feet. Psa_18:11 He made DARKNESS his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies Isa_45:7 I form the light, and create DARKNESS: I make peace, and create EVIL: I the LORD do all these things.

[@rocketmanshawn]

I'd like to hear more on your opinion of supersessionism. Not to pit anyone against eachother, but the conclusion here seems to be different than the one in the discussion with Chad Bird. The New Testament is clear that those who have faith are children of Abraham (and of God). Now I think the only true supersession is the idea that Jews hold no significance whatsoever, that it's all about the church now. But the Church is both believing Jew and believing Gentile, Spiritual Israel (the Bride of Christ). Unbelieving Jews are in the same predicament as unbelievable gentiles. I don't think for a second that being ethnically jewish guarantees salvation as some would insist, based on Romans 11:26, but that it's believing (spiritual) Israel who is saved. I'm rambling now, thanks for another great discussion 😅 The book sound good.

[@ExNihiloComesNothing]

Until 1850’s supersessionism was the only game in town. Dispensationalism is novel according to the scriptures you named and more- all believers are Israel and sons of Abraham.

[@cornelisdevilliers4177]

Dear Rob - will you please do a video of the Natsarim - Paul's followers ( Acts 24 : 5 ) , and what the " church fathers " had to say about them in some of their writings . It becomes abundantly clear that they followed the Torah and their character and lifestyle showed - Paul's letters was not so liberal as most theologians , including yourself make it out to be . So simple , but i wonder if you would take up the challange . Take care and God bless

[@rocketmanshawn]

Usage of the term in the New Testament alone is reason enough to reject this "challenge". Of course early believers kept Torah as best they could (no one can/could keep it perfectly except Jesus), Jews were still Jews. They touched on the Jerusalem Counsel here (Acts 15:21, not a starter pack), which demolishes any notion that the Torah is demanded of all believers. Those cherries you're picking are bitter fruit.

[@cornelisdevilliers4177]

@@rocketmanshawn Thank you for your responce - not sure what you meant by bitter fruits . But i find it difficult to understand where you find the demand side of keeping the Torah . In fact Christ had become our Justification , and legalism has been done away with . That is why i know , Paul is misunderstood in most of his letters , as he wanted to show this - especially to those who still believed it to be necessary . You might have / or not , read the letters of Ignatius of Antioch . Already there , apostacy was creeping in - Sunday worship and that the bishop was now the mediater between God and man . Now you might understand why Jude , Peter and John was writing about anti Christs , that was appearing in their time . In conclusion i would like to say that since i had a change in attitude concerning my relationship to my Heavenly Father - that it is all about them , and not me , me and me , i have no problem living out God's way of life . Shalom and God bless

[@harryabrahams2770]

The writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body…Ecclesiastes 12:12, 13 The conclusion when all has been heard, is, FEAR GOD and keep His Commandments, because this applies to all people. Got Torah Got Truth

[@adamguy33]

Got Jesus got truth And let no one judge you concering feasts, moons , or sabbaths. For the new better covenant doesn't need to you to follow thoses things or animal sacrafices anymore. If you try to kept torah you better do it all including animals sacrafices then and get circumcised if your not aready and so on. Thats 613 laws you must do or do you pick in choose also. Well you do pick in choose . the moral laws are what are to do, but we cant even do that. We are helpless, only by grace through faith in Jesus Christ can we be saved, not by works lest anyone boast. Even if we dont want to sin we sin anyway, we are helpless. Not a license to sin, but honestly we are so far from the mark it might as well be on the other side of the universe. Rightousness is accounted to me because if my faith in the one God the Father sent. Jesus is my sabbath and I keep it everyday always and forever. He changes my heart over time so that I sin less , but until the day of my redemption (I die or Jesus returns first)I will be a sinner. Keeping some rituals won't change that and if i tried to keep thoses rituals I would be a greater sinner then I am now

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

You mock books then venerate a book. The Bible is the word of God but your comment is silly.

[@harryabrahams2770]

@@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783 I’m just quoting scriptures and that to me is never silly though it might be silly to you. Got Torah Got Truth

[@harryabrahams2770]

@@adamguy33 Are you judging people who keep the sabbaths? Got Torah Got Truth

[@adamguy33]

@@harryabrahams2770 JESUS will never lead people to observe the sabbath. That's a fact, the old covenant is dead as are those who follow it. Got Torah got death , just like most Jews who follow it today. If you are a gentile following Torah your most likely double dead and on your way to hell as most of the jews who follow torah are today even if they live within the borders of Israel. Your are a gentile judaizer the very worse of the bunch. Got JESUS Got TRUTH the rest is death. I dont have to judge you because you judge yourself and are clearly a unsaved sinner

[@deespence8629]

When I was a child I went to church with my grandmother. She went to the world wide church of God. I left it as a young adult and was born again. That is why I find the Hebrew roots movement so upsetting! Old error in new dress is error nonetheless….

[@harryabrahams2770]

Hi Rob. If HR scripture is both OT and NT and you say Torah is for the Israelites and NT is for Christianity and don’t have to keep the Mosaic Law...Who is putting up a dividing wall? Got Torah Got Truth

[@adamguy33]

New Testament means new covenant and the old is dead. Torah could never save you in the first place and nobody in history ever has kept the torah perfectly except Jesus. And Jesus went beyond just keeping the torah , Jesus was without sin, not because he kept the torah, but because he was without sin. There is a difference. Adam was sinless until he disobeyed 1 commandment eating of the tree of good and evil. Before he ate of that fruit adam didn't have to keep ritualistic days, moons, feasts or sabbaths. Created life was never meant to those things, thats silly and the law is a curse just showing how cursed we are in this fallen place, only faith in the Lord Jesus can grant You righteousness that none of us deserve or can we uptain by doing any works of our own. You cant keep it because sin is in you and will be there until you die, only faith in Jesus Christ can save you. You cant keep the law even if you try real hard all your life and really want to because for you its impossible. Admit that and learn of the truth and you'll have rest for your soul.

[@harryabrahams2770]

@@adamguy33 maybe you should research a little and then you will find out that the word covenant and law are two completely different words. No where does it say that the Law was done away with. Got Torah Got Truth

[@1971_happylifedog]

Galatians 1:8-22. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. I’m a former Seventh Day Adventist. They also preach a different gospel. Praise God I am now a Christian. The Bible is the true word of the true and living God!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Amen, Sabrina! RLS

[@1971_happylifedog]

@@TheBiblicalRoots . Your videos are amazing! You have explained some things that I was SO confused about as a former Seventh Day Adventist. Your explanation of the old covenant law is the clearest one I’ve heard! Thanks for the hard work.

[@johannaholliday9415]

This is excellent

[@katiemarks691]

Where is the danger in keeping Sabbath or the feasts? What danger comes from following commandments? What danger is there in using the actual name of God, or the Hebrew name of Jesus? Why is so dangerous to question church traditions? They aren't Biblical...Catholism and reformed catholism weren't created by God or Jesus. Not everyone who is Torah Observant is Hebrew roots. There are some that are just whole Bible followers of Jesus. There isn't danger in following the whole Bible. Many in HRM do go too far - once you start to call Paul a heretic, you'll eventually end up questioning Jesus as Messiah, and you'll get to the point that you believe the Law is part of salvation. These are the problems, not following the Bible.

[@billyhw5492]

You don't think there's a danger in Leviticus 25.44-46?

[@freedominchrist444]

Torah observant is HRM. The core doctrine that Mosaic law is still binding is HRM regardless of the label one uses. The Mosaic law is not our covenant. We are under a new covenant. And the danger is the torah folk believe that those things make one righteous instead of Christ. They exalt the shadows over the Messiah. Instead of the shadows pointing to Christ and seeing that He is the substance the torah movement points back to and exalts the shadows. And I was in the movement for a long time so yes I am not speaking as one who looked in from the outside but one who was the inside of this torah movement and who was immersed in it.

[@wojciechbandurowski]

Relegation 2:9 and 3:9 is enough

[@jimharmon2300]

I will have to say . GOD blessed the 7th day from creation . The 7th day is in the Ten . Even if you say we don’t have to the WORD of GOD says different. Zechariah 14:18 (KJV) And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zechariah 14:19 (KJV) This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

We're called to bear fruit, test fruits etc. Yet they're literally digging their head in the dirt and hanging out under ground amongst the roots. They're necessary, but that's not where life is experienced.

[@rayray4192]

Roots freaks are dirty heretics.

[@rayray4192]

“Watch out for the dogs, watch out for the evil doers, watch out for the mutilators of the flesh.” Apostle Paul. Hebrew roots heretics are mongrel dogs barking at the church.

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

HRM... Say it... Harm Yup.

[@RandomTChance]

Good Point! 😎👍

[@BiblersWayCottage]

You don't even know how much error you are both speaking, but thats because the truth hasn't been opened to you both yet i pray shabbat shalom to all who have been given the truth in their hearts the Torah being written upon your hearts HalleluYah

[@adamguy33]

The law of Christ is written on my heart , not the law of Moses who was a sinner like the rest of us. I don't have to keep the law of Moses to be rightous , but the faith I have in Jesus Christ makes me rightous apart from the law. No need for me to keep some rituals of certian days or moons or feasts to be saved or maintain my salvation, i am sealed forever no matter what. My faith in the only son of God saved me and nothing else, just faith . for me there is no law. Jesus finished everything for me and only two commandments i focus on , loving the Father, Son , and holy spirit and loving my neighbor as myself. Do these two commandments and there is no need for any law just like it was in the beginning and how it will be in the end. In perfection there is no need for ritualistic laws only moral ones, the ones written on my heart by God. When Israel was under the law of moses satan would get Jews to break these laws and sin, now that we are not under all thoses laws satan creeps in and now says to keep theses laws and now we sin in keeping theses laws because we run back to theses laws to try to prefect our salvation and cling on to a dead covenant and not the new better covenant of Jesus Christ . no one who ever keep the law died and went to Abrahams bossum and where comforted without faith in the Lord. By the law no flesh is justified, only by faith is rightousness acounted unto you. No works lest anyone boast , stop boasting and believe the truth and find rest for your soul

[@BiblersWayCottage]

@@adamguy33 Thanks for your reply… Here are a few scripture to consider… Act 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we do not trouble those who have turned to God from among the nations, Act 15:20 but that we write to them that they should abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses from ages past has those in every city proclaiming him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Give these 4 Torah ( Law ) commandments to the gentiles turning to God and when they go and here the law / Torah of Moses preached in the synagogue every sabbath they will learn it for their sanctification… A Life Pleasing to God 1Th 4:1 For the rest, then, my brothers, we beseech you and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that, as you have received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, so you would abound more and more. 1Th 4:2 For we know what commands we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification, for you to abstain from fornication, 1Th 4:4 each one of you to know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor 1Th 4:5 (not in the passion of lust, even as the nations who do not know God), 1Th 4:6 not to go beyond and defraud his brother in this matter (because the Lord is the avenger concerning all these, as we also have forewarned you and testified). 1Th 4:7 For God has not called us to uncleanness, but in sanctification. 1Th 4:8 Therefore he who despises does not despise man, but God, who also has given us His Holy Spirit. As you can read Paul continues to teach this to the churches for our sanctification. Yeshua ( Jesus ) teaches the same Mat 23:1 Then Jesus / Yeshua spoke to the crowd and to His disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Mat 23:3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do. But do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. Observe and do !!! The Law of Christ is the law of Moses Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. Pro 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law. Read Psalm 119 and see how David describes the statutes ordinances laws rules of Gods kingdom and God said that David had a heart after His own. Keeping the Law without faith was always the problem from the beginning… Jas 1:19 Know this, my dear brothers and sisters: let every person be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger- Jas 1:20 for human anger doesn’t produce the righteousness of God. Jas 1:21 So put away all moral filth and excess of evil and receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. Jas 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deluding yourselves. Jas 1:23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror- Jas 1:24 for once he looks at himself and goes away, he immediately forgets what sort of person he was. Jas 1:25 But the one who looks intently into the perfect Torah, the Torah that gives freedom, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer who forgets but a doer who acts-he shall be blessed in what he does. Faith Without Works Is Dead Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can such faith save him? Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, Jas 2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in shalom, keep warm and well fed, ” but you do not give them what the body needs, what good is that? Jas 2:17 So also faith, if it does not have works, is dead by itself. Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works. Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well. The demons also believe-and shudder! Jas 2:20 But do you want to know, you empty person, that faith without works is dead? Jas 2:21 Wasn’t Abraham our father proved righteous by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? Jas 2:22 You see that faith worked together with his works, and by the works his faith was made complete. Jas 2:23 The Scripture was fulfilled that says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness”-and he was called God’s friend. Jas 2:24 You see that a man is proved righteous by works and not by faith alone. Jas 2:25 And likewise, wasn’t Rahab the prostitute also proved righteous by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out another way? Jas 2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. Shalom

[@adamguy33]

Faith produces works that much is true, the works are the fruit of the spirit. but it doesn't compel me to become jewish now. Should I get circumcised too? Should I sacrafice animals also? Is Saturday now more holy then Sunday or Sunday more holy then saturday, to me a gentile I see them both the same way, just another day in this sin sick fallen world awaiting the return of the Lord Jesus Christ

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

Quite arrogant. Certainly your not wrong or deceived. Surely. 😂🤣

[@BiblersWayCottage]

@@adamguy33 There are many things to address in your last reply One if you’re in Messiah you’re Abraham’s seed ! Who was Abraham’s seed ? Jacob who became Israel Eph 2:11 Therefore, remember your former state: you Gentiles by birth-called the Uncircumcised by those who, merely because of an operation on their flesh, are called the Circumcised- Former state - you were a gentile but not any more because when you are in covenant with YHVH Almighty you are His people Israel Eph 2:12 at that time had no Messiah. You were estranged from the national life of Isra'el. You were foreigners to the covenants embodying God's promise. You were in this world without hope and without God. Eph 2:13 But now, you who were once far off have been brought near through the shedding of the Messiah's blood. Eph 2:19 So then, you are no longer foreigners and strangers. On the contrary, you are fellow-citizens with God's people and members of God's family. This is an amazing revelation and I pray it too becomes yours also as 30,000 denominations is ridiculous but one people Israel prophecy A mystery prophecy revealed by the Holy Spirit Gen 48:19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also will become a people, and he also will become great. But his younger brother will become greater than he and his seed will be the fullness of the gentiles.” Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery-lest you be wise in your own eyes-that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; Ephraim is the prodigal son - the lost sheep of the house of Israel They were divorced in Jeremiah 3:8 and romans 7 tells us how they can be grafted back in and be married to the resurrected Messiah Yeshua HalleluYah Ask seek knock Seek Knock ASK Him ♥️

[@1089S]

When you take a sabbatical, it is not a Saturday.

[@linak7155]

It is a 'rest' just like the Sabbath.

[@adamguy33]

If you rest or don't rest on any certain day does nothing for you in the new covenant. Im not circumcised , I was born uncircumcised believe it or not. Anyway after I was saved by Jesus Christ in my twenties and if I went to be circumcised now because Jesus was circumcised that would be sin to me because Jesus saved me apart from circumcision. Should I be circumcised now? Of course not and that applies to sabbaths, feasts, moons, and animal sacrafice s

[@vegacool1]

Do you think there is a reason the torah is spreading across Christianity as the church begins to apostatize? "In the last days the mountain of the house of the LORD will be established as the chief of the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. 3And many peoples will come and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us His ways so that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem" Is this the beginning of this prophecy?

[@MichaelKellim]

Keeping his word is the extreme 😅

[@irvinquijano]

Some of my family memebers are in this movement , i believe they are in the *you are save my grace level* but i know for sure soon they will start to believe that if they dont keep the Torah they will loose their salvation and go deeper and deeper. I wish i knew how to get them out but they seem to be so into it i dont know what to do. But i just ordered both books . Maybe i can learn more about their dumb religion 😊

[@teacherlynn671]

My previous comment was confusing. When people have a written law or code to follow then it is easy to know right from wrong. But with the freedom we get in Christ and the Spirit it becomes confusing. Some people do this and some that and yet all are saved if they have Faith. Like a person can get covered in skull and demon tattoos after they get saved and still be saved. I am for the freedom we have now. But it seems like people can do anything. We are told the Spirit leads us and don’t grieve the Spirit but people want a knowledge of what is right and wrong. And they are confused in what this freedom entails and what to do to please God. They want direction and turn to the Torah and become Torah Roots. Freedom over spilled is confusing. I don’t think anyone really understands it or it would be taught and it isn’t. I am not a teacher but I think the answer is love. The Bible from beginning to end speaks of FAITH and LOVE. But how are we supposed to move forward in this freedom through faith with love? I think Deuteronomy 29:29 applies- the secret things of God.

[@cherylburnett2014]

We are supposed to keep the Sabbath b/c Jesus kept it and Paul kept it. When did Jesus command Sunday? He never did. The new covenant is in Jer 31:31-34 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make pa new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: sI will put my law within them, and I will write it ton their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people." What is the general flow of the new covenant if it isn't this? I am a gentile and I'm grafted in to Israel. This doesn't get me tripped up. I obey God's commandments b/c I love him. I'm looking at what scripture actually says.

[@debblouin]

Where does the NT record Paul as observing the sabbath as a requirement of the Law imposed upon believers?

[@cherylburnett2014]

@@debblouin acts 17:2, Acts 18:4, acts 13:42-44 says says that even the Gentiles came to the synogogue on the Sabbath and begged that words might be preached to them. They came together to hear the word of God. This was the day that God commanded to be a day of solemn rest and no work. The Hebrew word is Miata and it means convocation. A holy convocation is a sacred assembly, a time to assemble together for worship. It is an appointed time, a special appointment with God made by Him. He created the Sabbath and rested on the 7th day. In Ez 20:18-20 He says “walk in My statutes, keep My judgements, hallow my Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord Your God.” Jesus, the disciples, and Paul kept the Sabbath and the Feasts. Are there any scriptures that say that God no longer wants us to keep the Sabbath? Would Gpd have one covenant for the church and one covenant for Israel? God is echad, one in unity, one in His Law, one Messiah, one kingdom. God doesn’t change. His word doesn’t change. His commandments were called “the ten words”. If His word doesn’t change, then why do we believe we don’t have to keep the Sabbath but we have to keep the other nine commandments? The disciples kept the Sabbath 85 times in the book of Acts. In Acts 17,22 yes after Jesus’ death and resurrection, the disciples were attended Sabbath services. So, when did the Sabbath change. It didn’t change 22 years after Jesus’ resurrection. Greeks were coming to the synogogue to hear God’s word on the Sabbath. Acts 13,17,18. In acts 18, Paul was in the synogogue very Sabbath for 1.5 years. This is 78 Sabbaths. He kept the annual Feasts of the Lord. Acts 18:21, 1 Cor 5:8, Acts 20:6, 16. Throughout the church as recorded in Acts, one thing remained constant:the observance of the Sabbath and the Feasts of the Lord. Gods commandments are eternal. Jesus didn’t come to change them. He came to teach us how to keep them and to fulfill them. He didn’t fulfill everything at the cross. He says in Matt 5:18 “until heaven and earth pass away, but me jot or tittle shall in any wise pass away from the law till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth hasn’t passed away. It won’t happen until the end of the millennial reign, the great white throne judgement in Rev 21. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law. To me, this means that we should keep the law. Paul said “imitate me as I imitate Christ.” If Jesus kept the Sabbath and the Feasts and Paul kept, I need to keep them. Why? Because God’s word doesn’t change!!!! God said “Surely My(His) Sabbaths you shall keep (shamar-guard, protect, observe, preserve, regard), go TLR it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.” In Matt 19:17, Jesus said “if you wish to enter life, keep the commandments.” Rev 12:17 says “then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” Rev 14:12 says “here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of GOD and the faith (testimony) of Jesus “ God doesn’t change and His word doesn’t change. I’ve done a study on the Sabbath. I would be happy for you to read it. You can find me on my KZbin channel: rescuedbytruth. You can subscribe and send me an email.

[@jimharmon2300]

From what I can understand. There is no more Greek or Jew . GOD talks about HIS people . HIS people are anyone who accepts HIS Covenant and lives by it .

[@teacherlynn671]

People don’t understand the freedom we have now. It is easy to follow laws or commandments. But to be told we are Spirit driven is confusing. No one teaches this. I don’t really think anyone truly understands and God has His secrets. One does this, another that and yet all are saved as long as we have Faith??? Freedom over spilled is confusing. I pray, I ask teachers to tackle this subject, but no one does. We are in an age of Grace or time of mystery but there has to be Biblical answers and yet no teachers have answers.

[@alisonmontana8895]

Shame on you for hating your brother without a cause, and before you say you don't hate us. You said that you think we're gullible, conspiracy theorist, cultish, victims of religious fraud, rebuilding the wall of hostility, extremist, backbiters, Mis-interpreters of scripture, Judaizers? If you don't hate us, it makes me wonder what you would say if you thought that you did? And you said that it is "a salvation issue." Why does everything with Christians theology come to condemnation? I would defend you if I heard another person in the Torah

[@debblouin]

But if you are in error shouldn’t people be willing to call that error out?

[@alisonmontana8895]

@@debblouin You seem to be asking this in a kindly manner. So I'm going to give you a kind answer. Romans 14:4 - Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

[@alisonmontana8895]

@@debblouin I understand the thought, I really do, and believe me there are some wolves in the Torah movement just as there are in the church, matter of fact, that where the wolves originated from. But why would teaching the commandments be in error? Jesus said:Mat 5:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[@alisonmontana8895]

@@debblouin And who is this in Revelation? Rev 14:12 - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus

[@alisonmontana8895]

@@debblouin I'm not trying to wear you out with my answers, I do want you to reply, but scriptures keep popping in my head, and I do want to have a civil discussion. How about this one. Mar 9:38 - And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39 - But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 - For he that is not against us is on our part.

[@ciscero301]

Like he said historically you can’t really formulate a response to Hebrew roots. Christianity has a bloody and sketchy past, because of the evil men who hijacked it and used the Bible to use others. Like racists in America during slavery and the Spanish Inquisition and fighting against Jews. So people are hurt and blame the full body for the wrong of a few. There’s a lot of repentance and admittance to convince both parties on opposite ends to come together. As a Christian believer I see that alot of Christian’s don’t know or try to not acknowledge alot of what happened in the past. How do we move on from this in one spirit?

[@auntieanna]

Oh man, so many topics being conflated/collapsed. Two ditches on so much surrounding this. Everybody is going to need to slow down and humble themselves for us to come through and land in the correct spot. Too bad.... 🙏

[@graysonbr]

It is exactly a type of replacement theology in One law groups. First fruits of Zion has even pointed this out. If one has to go back to law "to get right with God", one is turning away from the initial favor of the LORD.

[@jennyclairewaite42]

The other faction call themselves Natsarim So there’s Hebrews Mesianics & natsarim … it’s all s psyop It’s all outside true faith

[@MandMe91]

If Israelites became "gentiles" prior to the first century then you can toss your "all humanity redeemed" theory in the trash. ***But Jacob refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations.” (nations = goy = GENTILES) Ephraims decendants (northern kingdom) became gentiles. Toss out your feel good redemption theory folks!!

[@AlbertIsraeli]

There never were, are, nor be lost tribes of Israel. When Babylonians conquered Assyria, Jews were integrated along with Judah at a later time. During Assyrian captivity of northern Israel, many from those tribes lived in Judah, so to say “lost tribes” is to contradict all of God’s promises that these two kingdoms will be United in one.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

Jesus established the new covenant with first covenant people. They were all "Jews". The church isn't Gentile it is Jewish. But not the same as the OT.

[@MsShofargirl]

Gal. 3 Verses 28 to 29 [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

[@jna7641]

I would be absolutely fascinated to watch you and this gentleman to include Sean Griffin in a discussion because the difference would, without a doubt, include scripture to debunk what is being said and not just his personal opinion, sprinkled with a little, loosely quoted scripture referred to out of context. One day you both will stand before the One true God, and you both have distorted His word so greatly with your own opinions, you should be more than a little concerned. Not only that but you will be held accountable for speaking falsely against your brothers just because they are Torah believers. You are lumping people all together with a few false sects (which Christianity also has). A cult? You all wrote a book and do not even know the definition of a cult! You want people to understand the HRM from somebody that doesn't even understand the HRM. What you both have said against these zealous, Messiah loving people, can be seen in you and the Christian faith. Do you really think that these whole Bible believing people will stand before the throne of God and be reprimanded for being to zealous in following Him and taking the word of God to seriously? I think not. If you disagree with a person and his beliefs, you should be taking that issue up directly with the brother himself first. You should not be making assumptions over a whole group of people and calling them a cult. That is gossip. May Yah remove the veil over your eyes and lead you on a path of repentance. God be with you.

[@nancycorbin7317]

So , let's get the "Torah ism" worked out , so maybe we can label the following of The Messiah correct. The source would be the Holy Scriptures, Acts 24:5 ... You have to ask yourself, if Paul was a ringleader, of the sect of Nazarenes, #1 obviously the other ringleaders were the other 12 Disciples , of ... Hmmm... Ohhh Yeshua of Narareth... The Nazarene. #2 what were they a sect of ? You probably, guessed it , if you know time , and when Paul got told that , and then , there was only the universal church.... Ignatius had not named them Catholics yet. So, obviously, they were a sect , Section of , Judaism... Hear O Israel, The LORD (Adonai, Hashem, The Almighty, The Creator of All, Yahovah , Blessed be the Holy one of Israel) our Elohim is One . I'll take a wild stab at it , and just go out on a limb and say , The Nazarenes, followers of The Way. Learned a Torah portion every Sabbath, As it was Yeshuas custom to go to the synagogues on the Sabbath. My wild guess is , the True followers of the Messiah, and The Apostles, well they all died? Right... What were the circumstances of their deaths ? Maybe just maybe, they were called the Nazarenes, before Antioch... But , what was happening in Antioch? What overseer , was there? Nazrareneisrael.org Nazarene Israel ....you tube channel Vine of David ..... KZbin channel

[@wakeywakey8603]

If most of the entire secular world celebrates Christmas & Easter, that clearly indicates these are pagan holidays. In America, many businesses are closed. If these holidays were actually Christian Holy Days, the Jesus denying world would ignore any days which honors The King of King & Lord of Lords. Easter is Ishtar's Day of Fertility & Santa is Satan creeping into the houses of silly women having the lusts of the world... ever learning but never coming to the truth. Satan's Kingdom is the UNholy trinity which parallels & counterfeits & overshadows God's Holy Kingdom. Father, Mother & Son were Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz of the ancient Babylonian religion which spread to all 70 nations. Same religion, just different names. Be careful not to celebratr the woman Jezebel. Satan can appear as a Beast, a man, a woman, lightening, a star, a planet, a tree, etc etc. Semiramis was the female form of Satan and worshipped as the Queen of Heaven, which exactly what he wanted, to be worshipped as god. I guess Satan was the first tranny.

[@MB-vi8zp]

Please do some actual research, everything you're spouting is completely fabricated nonsense.

[@joshuamelton9148]

What you.said is straight Pseudo. Alot of your bad information came from Alexander Hislop and his book "The Two Babylons " which has been debunked

[@jennyclairewaite42]

The host needs to stop Using Hebrew name Yeshua It means archangel Metatron / Satan It’s from the fallen Angel Tetragramatron from Talmud / Kabbalah It’s curse word for Jesus

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

The name "Yeshua" literally means "salvation" in Hebrew. It's not a curse word, it's His Hebrew name. Blessings, Rob

[@EcoProfetico]

Christianity change the Shabbat for sunday, Change the name from Yeshua to Jesus and called the Tanak old testament , and Christianity dont celebrate the biblical holy days for the pagans so who build the dividing wall ? Christianity.

[@EcoProfetico]

@C E Christmas, valentineś day, halloween, ect. new year, easter... are not biblical holy days the LORD Yeshua didnt celebrated them. So why we all celebrate the biblical holidays mention in Leviticus 23 as YHWH said.? Letś obey his word with Love!!!

[@joshuamelton9148]

​@@EcoProfetico The Feast days were Given to the Nation of Israel only. Jesus did Observe man made holidays live Hanukkah and Purim. This is a problem for Hebrew roots proponents especially if you hold the view that the only holidays to Observe is the Feast days. It weird the ethnic Jews who culture you are culturally Appropriating do not hold these views. It all do respect what Hebrew roots do is no Different Than Dylan Mulvaney and his 365 days of womenhood videos.

[@johannaholliday9415]

@vocabmalone

[@jimharmon2300]

I will have to say . GOD blessed the 7th day from creation . The 7th day is in the Ten . Even if you say we don’t have to the WORD of GOD says different. Zechariah 14:18 (KJV) And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zechariah 14:19 (KJV) This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.