Is the Pixel 8 Pro Worth $1000?

[@thelonelyloner7]

15% of my data I'll spend on watching this video

[@esaedvik]

Imagine having a data cap in 2023.

[@thelonelyloner7]

@@esaedvik sorry Mr. Billionaire.

[@_o__o_]

onion farts

[@kingpotent3950]

​@@thelonelyloner7you can literally get unlimited data, minutes and texts for £15 🤦 it's your fault for not being smart enough to do extra research and finding a good deal

[@wojciechzajda5794]

In Poland it's less then one dollar to get 5Gb of data transfer, with even bigger plans you pay even less. So communicating thu sms is not existing as most people are using what'sup messenger etc.

[@jjunture]

Shout out to Ellis for getting it so right. We’ll throw billions at self-driving cars just to avoid sensible mass-transit solutions.

[@bigbird3778]

Pretty dumb take. People drive all over the world, even when there is top tier public transit. We can have both.

[@filipcao818]

@@bigbird3778 No, what's pretty dumb is north american city planning which forces people to have cars to go anywhere. You're right, we can have both but in most cities in north america we don't.

[@BarginsGalore]

@@bigbird3778but we don’t. no one is saying self driving cars is going to replace public transit because we don’t have public transit to begin with

[@alandworsky8926]

Yessss thank you Ellis for repping team trains

[@DominicPowell]

​@@BarginsGaloreit's already happening. Cities are experimenting with Teslas moving from designated stop to stop in a pseudo public schedule.

[@jjoohhhnn]

Ellis is great! I would love to hear more from him. Trains ftw! Also, while being overly cautious at an intersection is safer for you, you could cause accidents behind you, by getting cars stuck in intersections. Too cautious is still ineffective transit and still too unsafe.

[@alandworsky8926]

You guys have been crushing it lately with the snarky banter 10/10

[@iragbag]

I will follow this podcast just based on Ellis’s comment about mass-transit. It takes self-awareness as a tech-tube channel to say “more tech isn’t an answer to everything”

[@toptiertech7291]

And less convenience is?

[@malfaroangel3896]

@@toptiertech7291it called not everything has to be “smart” in terms of adding tech to it. Like there’s no reason for a toaster to have a WiFi connection

[@BarginsGalore]

@@toptiertech7291good buses are so much more convenient then cars. i’ve never driven anywhere in the city without spending 15 minutes looking for parking not to mention 70$ to fill up the tank. self driving ubers flying around everywhere does sound convenient but if they’re the price of regular ubers i’ll pass

[@tylersmith7430]

⁠@@toptiertech7291 should we have to change the whole world to eek out every perceived inconvenience? Mass transit would be available for more people than everyone having to own cutting edge car. Overall mass transit would benefit more people than the slight convenience a 100k Tesla could provide

[@drageras]

@@toptiertech7291 Self driving cars are more convenient in a society made with car centric design. But any walkable city or place that has well designed areas would have better options than driving everywhere. Look at Tokyo for example.

[@miguelmontanez6342]

Ellis is the based one of the podcast as usual. Self driving cars and the "efficiency and comfort" they theoretically eventually afford is corporations spending billions to hammer a car shaped peg into a public transit shaped hole.

[@CXLVII]

I was cringing when they were taking about the "super highway" concept. Like that's just an inefficient train 🙄

[@IdiotRace]

I can't remember who said it but they were like 'I'd like a self driving car so I can do some work or read a book' Thats called a train, it's amazing how locked in people in the US are to having to use a car to do anything.

[@starluigi5297]

SO much energy right off the bat, I love the waveform podcast.

[@Superninja71]

Audio listeners are missing out on the greatness happening at 58:44

[@CreaminFreeman]

Ellis wearing the Quest Pro just got me that much more excited to see my idea come to life: All of you guys wearing the Vision Pro for an whole episode of the WVFRM Podcast! I see you!

[@maxjames00077]

they wont be able to acquire so many headsets. Apple is struggling to make em

[@ChipsCST]

And then either Marques or Andrew OR BOTH taking them off for how heavy they are/might be. Or just irritating to wear/see-through.

[@maxjames00077]

@@ChipsCST loool

[@adam.e2154]

51:51 Marques' face trying to understand what David just said is hilarious.

[@scisalafaku]

the footage of Ellis messing around with the quest pro killed me. So glad you guys brought that man on

[@DistructiveElements]

These Guys are such Nerds. I love it. This podcast is my comfort food now

[@aes4evr]

Yooo😂😂😂

[@marcorl100]

The camuflage feature isn’t just making things black and white. It’s actually adding a a filter or something to make objects less distracting. The object will not be erased but it will blend better into the image.

[@kenbyrne5978]

That feature dropped a year ago. No idea how these "tech" reviewers think that is new

[@fliP13]

“Imagine I could do things WHILE driving to work” … welcome to the world of public transportation

[@Viazi]

But you have to plan in advance and run the risk of cancellation. Have to leave early and so on. But if your city has got systems set up then maybe, it's a viable option. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@julesm1434]

“…And I’m tired!” LOL - me too David, me too.

[@xayushx5327]

+1

[@LeLuthier71]

I knowwwww!! I laught so hard xD! #metoo

[@CallMeVidd]

@@LeLuthier71 oh that's not-

[@GazGaryGazza]

Auto Pilots can take off, fly the route and land with no interception from a pilot but when things go wrong it's auto pilots that often create an even worse situation as they fly to rules which may no longer apply due to the mechanical/electrical issues with the plane. You will always need a pilot even if it's to fly the plane when there's an issue.

[@suchal_]

"always" is a long time

[@chad9331]

​@@suchal_it's more that lots of problems are unusual or never happened before. Like an instrument failure. That would be really bad for an bot, if all decisions are made on wrong data. Some problems require new and creative solutions. Thats the problem

[@SjPettyAf]

Just so y'all know. I saw the video on Twitter and after 1 minute I just wanna watch it in higher resolution so I just went on KZbin to watch the rest of the video

[@don.wall_E]

My favourite sound from this podcast "Bingooooo.... Let's gooooo"!!!

[@michaelkirat7079]

5:30 David is living in California wonderland tech bubble

[@thelonelyloner7]

Google Pixels (especially if the 7 year software support is true), are going to be the default Androids I'd recommend to "normal consumers"

[@toptiertech7291]

That’s already been the phone I recommend to average customers. Unless they specifically want a Samsung in the US there’s no need to offer any other android

[@siphonsnob]

I am trying to picture battery life after 7 years

[@toptiertech7291]

@@siphonsnob get it replaced. Idk about Google but you can walk into a Apple Store and get your battery replaced on a 4 year old phone for like $70

[@nishantrajani7372]

@@siphonsnobyou can just have a battery swap around the year 4 and its like new again

[@rushabhshah.2768]

"what is a photo" all the tech reviewes have the sameScript😅all the photo editing tools by google were already available since long time, google just made it more handy, I have been using similar tool like magic eraser since past 8 yrs on snapseed, google just made it easier to do in the photos app by just a tap.

[@sokristophine]

Ellis is right. You can get more sleep and read on your way to work if there was good public transit

[@odilapivato]

1:28:08 Marques said Orkut was popular “a couple years ago” but Google (google owned it) killed it in 2014, a whole decade ago 💀

[@mayavril1]

Lol they'd have loved that info

[@Idfkwhyy]

I don't blame him, sometimes I think 2014 was 5 years ago lol

[@mattjgraham]

It’s Friday! It’s the weekend, my birthday weekend! It must be time for the Waveform Podcast! ❤❤❤

[@Waveform]

Happy Birthday!

[@tjppercussion]

On Friday the 13th, in October?? Spooky Birthday! 🎃

[@Manganellia1]

Happy Birthday!!

[@jaughnekow]

Happy Birthday Weekend

[@Oreolorun]

An important point to keep in mind regarding Google's promise of 7 years of Android updates is that, even after 2 years when the prices of the Pixel 8 and 8 Pro have reduced, it's still a great recommendation due to the continued availability of 5 more years of updates.

[@mmacia034]

There it is, the highlight of my week, Friday afternoon with WVFRM

[@Sidner77]

My Master's thesis was about different cryptographic standards that could be applied to different file types for authenticity and prevent tampering, one of them was extremely similar to what Adobe implemented (CAdES) and which they had already used for PDFs. Glad to see someone has decided this needed to go through! 😊 But the standard and capability to do what Adobe's been doing has existed for quite some time.

[@jkoneill]

When David said, "Does that make you happy?" 🤣😂🤣 I'm dead

[@plafayette]

1:07:39 I’m hype for the full review! Loved this segment! 👊🏾

[@guptaanu1995]

This podcast was really informative, especially the Adobe and the content authenticity initiative!

[@frederickgeek8]

I took a completely driver-less Waymo taxi in SF around 2 months ago, right before they got completely authorized by the city. It was going really well until it stopped part-way into an intersection during a red light, right in front of an on-coming tram (MUNI). It floored it a few seconds before impact. 😬

[@ChipsCST]

Well in the tram's defense, it had a person operating it. In the self-driving car's defense, it recognized danger and got the HECK OUTTA THERE!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@exploringphotographer]

Friday's guilty pleasure - DONE! I look forward to Fridays just for this video podcast!!

[@GreenShellShock]

As a person who's really freaked out by AI tools, I'm glad the Content Authenticity Initiative at least exists. It might not work perfectly or stop people who are trying to manipulate, but the knowledge that there's an effort to protect human made works eases me a bit.

[@eduardoflores98]

Waymo is available here in phoenix arizona and the car drives through downtown perfectly fine better than humans to be honest, detects people and everything i was really impressed

[@MalcolmLangille]

The person hit by the self driving car was hit buy an ice car first which launched the person under the self driving car. Fun how no one mentions this.

[@shanemooon]

Waymo is already doing over 10,000 autonomous taxi rides per week between Phoenix and SF metros. With the rides in Phoenix metro being fully driverless. Waymo still does not have public taxi rides that include highways.

[@VaalkinTheOnly]

Admittedly, roads just straight up need to get better with self driving cars. Example, merging directly into a lane with cars moving faster than you is an absolutely abhorrent idea and is dangerous for even the most skilled drivers.

[@Afrancis1968]

Great podcast guys! Makes my workday!

[@reaperandyel]

Who's gonna receive the ticket when the self-driving taxi got pulled over by the Police? A. Car owner B. Passenger C. Car manufacturer D. Self-driving software engineer

[@JoelRosenfeld]

Ok, so yes, Riemann Sums are a method of estimating (or through their limit defining) an area under a curve. The trapezoids come from the “Trapezoid Rule”, and technically gives you a better estimate. Now for the rectangles in the Riemann sums, you can chose to align the left edge or the right edge of the rectangles with the actual function. If you take the average of these two choices, you get the trapezoid rule. One thing that is pretty amusing about the trapezoid rule is that in the 1990s a whole lot of medical doctors seemed to forget about integration, and would literally print out glucose curves on graph paper and count the squares. One doctor, a Dr. Tai, re-discovered the trapezoid rule, named it Tai’s Method after herself, and published it in a medical journal. It wasn’t long before she was lambasted for not knowing calculus, and she even went as far as saying the method is “exact.” The paper actually has 542 citations, some of which are from the medical community, but many are citing this paper when discussing the trapezoid rule as a meme. The paper is “A Mathematical Model for the Determination of Total Area Under Glucose Tolerance and Other Metabolic Curves.” You can find some responses from some rather irate researchers here: kconrad.math.uconn.edu/math1132s20/handouts/taicomments.pdf I also made a short on this for my channel, because it’s honestly just too funny not to mention.

[@TimesHero]

44:00 regarding camouflage feature, it's been on there since pixel 6, but what it does is it samples nearby pixels and recolours what you highlighted to blend into the background. Not just turn it black and white. If it's doing that, it's broken lol. Also, why is nobody jumping on the "Pixelate" pun. It's RIGHT THERE!!!

[@Lazy_Mammal]

Hey guys have any of you tried the PSVR2? How does it compare to the other VR? I heard it had pretty decent "foviated" rendering and eye tracking.

[@francisyuweh706]

of course, we will be here again to watch u guys every week, keep it up

[@cherylchild]

You got 22-min here, but I'll be back...to clip that portion about Duplicate the Human Brain vs Build Some Train Tracks. Brilliant analysis of today's tech!

[@picknassaro]

When the S24 and S24+ come out, I'll be very excited to see how they compare to the Pixel 8 and 8 Pro. I'm not interested in comparing the 8 Pro to the S24 Ultra because of the price difference. I'm seeing drastic improvements to photos taken in the One UI 6 beta over what One UI 5.1 did with photo post-processing, and that's on my S23+. Samsung has had Object Eraser since before Google had Magic Eraser. If Best Take comes to Google One, it's another less reason to get the Pixel. Google is smart because they advertise these features despite not being the only ones to have these features. But I can't imagine that Best Take won't come to Google One, because it uses found faces in your Google Photos library, and it can edit pictures taken on other phones. So it's really hard for me to get a Pixel. Spending the same money for a slower, hotter chip and mostly the same features. But I'm glad Pixel is upping the software game and upping the feature marketing on the Android side of things so that people who hate One UI feel like they have another great choice.

[@acelovesit]

With regards to the Pixel being able to make an object black and white. This, I'm presuming, is the technique we use to easily remove objects in photoshop. Desaturate it then its easier to mask/remove. It's just a guess, but it kinda feels like an automated version.

[@ryguy1462]

I wish they offered the Pixel 8 pro in the smaller 8.2 size. I would buy it for sure

[@toptiertech7291]

That’s one thing I think more Android brands should do. Like how Apple offers 2 sizes of the pro phone. Especially Samsung. It sucks that you have to get a 6.9 inch phone to get their best features

[@KingLarbear]

​@@toptiertech7291the bigger phone has the room for all the extra stuff you need for those extra features. Have you looked at the inside of a phone. It is amazing what they can do with such a small space

[@AuXXKeyz]

I’m in work now doing a monotonous task and was thinking to myself that waveform podcast should be out , literally clicked to see it uploaded just a few minutes ago, LETS GO 🔥

[@sequeirasasha]

Ellis was definitely the MVP during the self-driving cars discussion

[@pierreburton4523]

You can get to a self driving future easily. You start with downtown cores being autonomous only, and you slowly push out the boundaries each year. These cars would have steering wheels, but once you 'hit' the autonomous boundary, the car enters fully autonomous mode. Eventually specific roads connecting cities become autonomous too, and you can complete fully autonomous journeys. The biggest barrier is the suburban neighborhoods. Eventually when a switch is flipped, some people will have to have their non-autonomous capable cars to be towed to the junk yard, or maybe a racetrack.

[@raffiking1]

The chapters of this video are incorrect. Especially the Adobe chapter. They start talking about it at 1:07:49 but the chapter only starts at 1:16:30.

[@mon699]

I’m really looking forward to David’s video so exciting and intriguing

[@francinegregory]

Robotaxi were scheduled to start operations on Wednesday in the LA area beginning with Santa Monica and Venice Beach.

[@nukadog1969]

I just decided to dip my toe back into Apple after years in Andriod...and you're saying one of the good updates is that Google's face unlock NOW works with banks and didn't before? While I found it odd that Apple didn't support fingerprint readers, the face unlock is amazing and already bank-reliable for years...we might've found the ONE feature on the iPhone 15 Pro that isn't derivative.

[@toptiertech7291]

Face unlock is also really good if you live anywhere that has a winter. I live in the northeast US and it routinely gets cold enough to wear gloves. Not taking your gloves off to unlock your phone is helpful

[@PrestoJacobson]

@@toptiertech7291then what do you do to use your phone, without fingers or thumbs?

[@jeffsauer2198]

One point not mentioned is how reasonably priced many of the games are… plus add in 25% referral discounts, etc. it’s really a great platform for those new to VR

[@arun279]

1:03:45 if the meta VR team was tasked to make a $3500 headset, wouldn’t they have made something like the vision pro? Like, was there any key insight or innovation in vision pro that meta hadn’t considered or couldn’t do? If not, then $700 vision pro will resemble something like the quest 3, unless they make different trade offs.

[@TechGuyB]

Great commentary. What really makes the Pixel 8 Pro a tough sell is that the Motorola Edge+ 2023 and OnePlus 11 offer similar screens, better performance and efficiency thanks to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 and UFS 4.0 and super fast charging, for about $300-400 less. I like the Pixel 8 Pro but it feels underwhelming compared to the competition this year. AI can only do so much.

[@PrestoJacobson]

If the moto edge + had a headphone jack, it may be my next, because I don't see why I'd buy an Android without headphone capability.

[@artdogg50]

​@@PrestoJacobsonNot many flagship or near flagship phones with headphone jacks these days I'm very sorry to say. I can only think of 3 right now. The newest and very expensive Sony, the $800 Asus Zenfone 10, and the more affordable midrange Poco F5 .

[@nicktankard1244]

"i want to read a book or do something during my commute" Yeah it's called public transport. The US needs it. Kinda funny to hear that debate as a European. Self driving cars are cool but good public transportation is much better for cities. They addressed it later in the video though

[@fajitas4every1]

As silly as the temp sensor is on the Pixel, it will come in really handy when/if they release the Person sensor. I have a 3-year-old daughter and she likes to say she is sick when it is time to go to school or somewhere she doesn't want to go. It will be super nice for parents to have a thermometer in their pocket at a moment's notice.

[@nishantrajani7372]

I just don’t think an IR sensor would be reliable because skin temperature and inner body temperature would vary a lot

[@fajitas4every1]

@@nishantrajani7372 that could be! We already have a scanner thing that we use on her forehead that seems pretty accurate, though I don't know what kind of signal it is using to measure. They have said they are waiting FDA approval in the US, so its seems they think they can do it

[@MrMattMagoo]

You guys just need the BoboVR head strap. It literally changes the comfort in a game changing way. Quest 2 as well.

[@MRLNLY]

I thought the camouflage tool was already a thing? Didn't they show an example where a kid was on the beach next to a green cooler and they camouflaged it to be the same color as a sand so it didn't take away the attention from the kid?

[@venkatnarahari]

The first 10-20 seconds of audio engineering of the video😯! I wasn't using any headphones and the audio felt as if it was coming from outside the room I was in!

[@PrestoJacobson]

That was just yelling away from the mic right?

[@angeldimitkovski3178]

Nobody talks about how dim the screen gets in the dark. To me, this is probably as important as the max brightness.

[@fenrir4107]

Douyin is the Chinese TikTok. Or actually TikTok is the overseas version of Douyin. Douyin is the origin of TikTok. Bytedance started Douyin first in China, then expand it overseas as TikTok.

[@256k_]

i truly love this podcast

[@jshooper7819]

I feel like David would be great in a room with Saudi / UAE Billionaires throwing out insane ideas. I feel like he could have imagined "The Line" city concept. 😂

[@Happy_Abe]

@23:40 it’s actually BOTH rectangles and trapezoids The trapezoidal rule, as well as Sampson’s rule, midpoint rule, left rectangle, and right rectangle sums are all approximations for the definite integral that in the infinite limit equals the integral.

[@MbTurner1977]

Now that the 8 Pro has Pro Features, I'm wondering where the pixel fold 2 falls into that. Will it get the pro features? Is it technically a pro device?

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

They've been throwing in the new Pixel watch or Pixel Buds pro free when you buy one. Your choice. So it makes the 1k a deal.

[@SunshineVocals]

It's interesting to me that people don't question whether Samsung's flagship and Apple's flagship are worth $1700 but every year MKBHD is asking if the flagship pixel is worth its much lower price to those mentioned above.

[@dane458]

Just ordered my Pixel 8 (Hazel) on Black Friday for $550. Can't wait! 🤩

[@Ayrmed]

My Google went off the exact same time Andrew's did 😂

[@lexistential]

Camouflage has been around for a while now, surprised they didn't know about it. It was announced with the Pixel 6a

[@RealWorldReview]

Shows how often it's used even though it got hyped up here lol

[@JHayes90]

Ive had the Pixel 8 for a week now and RAM hasn't been an issue, even with gaming. And the camera is top notch. Some of the best looking photos i've ever taken. Screen is always at 120hz, and I still get a day and a half of battery. It's a great phone.

[@tjamesnorton]

Urbanist Ellis just dropped. 👏

[@ohwellherewegoagain]

I get home from work and just start refreshing KZbin waiting for this

[@dccoletrain]

The mixed reality does run through the battery fast. Already planning on getting a battery strap soon. Love watching videos on a big screen with it

[@AdamJakowenko]

My favorite part of every episode is David getting a question wrong and then insisting that he totally knew it and almost wrote that and then explaining why he didn't last second

[@iSucrose]

You know, there's this dude on KZbin I stumble upon when his vids show up in my feed. He's all about how far Tesla's self-driving tech has come. It's pretty wild to see how little he has to step in during the rides.

[@jaykparikh37]

I agree with David, highways are scarier cause a mistake kills you more often than in regular city driving. in my experience driving with Tesla fsd regularly, it WILL make a mistake lmao

[@toptiertech7291]

City driving is way scarier because everything is closer. You can swerve on the highway and be ok. If you swerve in the city you might hit a parked car. You have to worry about people walking out in front of your car. Bikes going through reds. That is way scarier

[@seapanda-117]

Self driving cars are really nice for the NSA. Lots of cameras and sensors. Basically cctv.

[@Brandon-jd9mz]

The Magic Editor button never pops up on any of my photos....does it have to be a specific type of photo only to use it?

[@farriaga1001]

One think to consider is, if a uber/taxi with a person driving crashes no one will know, but if a self driving service crashes, everyone will know about it, it would be interesting to know the exact number of accident of self driving against person driving ride services.

[@Kieran28]

Awesome episode, wish they were longer though

[@jasonlwright]

Camouflage came out quite a while ago. I've had it on the Pixel 6 Pro for at least a year and a half. Lot's of articles about it from early 2022.

[@marshmallowpuff4899]

I love listening to you guys ramble on . Firefly sounds damn impressive 😊

[@thehumanrebuildd]

49:14 it's the same matte finish as the pixel 3 and 4

[@RangerGSD]

There's definitely some confusion about the performance improvements being from Tensor G3 when they're actually from the improvements by Android 14.

[@PestXs]

Yes Android 14 has vastly improve my pixel 5's responsiveness and battery life

[@S7E7V7E7N]

Great review. What are your thoughts on the speakers of the phone?

[@jpframework6788]

As a photographer i'm curious if you heard if the content authenticity require new camera hardware or is that an update?

[@justinpaulescano9853]

Lets go with my favorite podcast (this is the only podcast I listen to)😂

[@markshirley01]

Im a MacBook air user with a pixel phone, for 3-4 week ago I can't get downloaded video files to play when I have space saver set. Its a VP9 file and Apple cant read this. Please sort this Google

[@Zack-dw5op]

Definitely looking forward to a comprehensive best take testing video

[@DreDrums215]

0:24 is the most animated I’ve ever seen Marques… lol

[@John10083]

What strap is Marques using on his Apple Watch Ultra

[@NealDannenberg]

When do you think version 4 will be released? Version 3 is about 3 years old.

[@Jdevil21]

Quest 3 you have to change the strap. Once you do you can wear it all day

[@colsonrivers]

What do I have to do to hear Marques speak unrestrained about Ultimate? I just got into ultimate last year and hearing from starting player on the best team in Ultimate right now.

[@JoshuaOlujide]

The camouflage feature has been out for a while now actually, but even Google themselves doesn't talk about it often. I'm really enjoying my Pixel 8 Pro and Pixel Watch 2 right now tho! Pixel Watch 2 is definitely way faster than the first one, and far more efficient with battery life!

[@kaptainkool101]

Fascinating conversation about EV's and more specifically self-driving vehicles. I always LOVE when this topic gets brought up between the wvfrm team!

[@Marty_Stylist]

Doesn't waymo have an operation center that they can monitor some of these self-driving cars? So when there's an issue they can chime in and do something with software or remote control technically?