Jim Cornette on I Quit Matches

From Episode 166 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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[@jamirimaj6880]

surreal to think that Tony Schiavone has called the matches of Andre The Giant and Orange Cassidy o.o

[@EXPLISITemcee]

talk about going downhill lol.

[@EXPLISITemcee]

hogan to sonny kiss ..

[@fatalsniper3413]

@@EXPLISITemcee Sonny kiss booty big. Trying to digger

[@JesseGMan7]

WCW Sting to AEW Sting

[@jeffreyriley8742]

I Quit matches need to be used very sparingly.

[@KristannaLokenFanclub]

for me either they should be used between 2 Faces that the public loves, a Badass Tweener and a Face that the public is warming up to or 2 Extreme Heels in which one of them will end up being a face,and only after they have been feuding for a good while

[@pellet1167]

I hated I Quit matches growing up because it was always Cena wins lol

[@CokinaClutch]

i like it more than the steamboat matches. is that bad?

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

I Quit matches only work until the loser gets hired again a year later.

[@jeffreyriley8742]

@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 I think you're thinking of retirement matches.

[@haydenmillholland4496]

Flair vs Funk in 89 was one of the best I quit matches I have ever seen

[@jordanthomas7798]

Orton vs Cena>

[@jonnybrotten1290]

Flair and Funk match and the Magnum / Tully match are the only believable ones that had proper set up.

[@maitreyas.4902]

Is that the one with the thick bull rope ?

[@haydenmillholland4496]

@@jonnybrotten1290 you got that right

[@haydenmillholland4496]

@@maitreyas.4902 I think the one you are thinking of was Piper vs Valentine

[@CamPopplestone]

The Uso one was at least set up that Reigns wanted to hear Uso say that he's the head of the family, and to hear him give up. I think it was great storytelling. Reigns didn't want to just win or beat him up, he wanted to have Jey say the words

[@hiddendagger7291]

same with mox vs eddie eddie was keep saying that he never tapped or pinned by mox in championship match so mox said we'll fight in i quit and u'll said this with ur own mouth that u r quitting

[@shindean]

" I thought gorilla was the stupidest guy alive!" "Right to the head!" 😂😂😂💀💀💀

[@fayerson]

My brothers and I have been referencing this for over 30 years lol

[@shindean]

@@fayerson that's awesome, honestly to keep a great moment like that shared all these years is wonderful to read

[@kurtvanderbogarde8402]

Gorilla was under orders from Vince to be "stupid". He only became stupid from 1984 onwards, in 1981-1983 he was much the same articulate perceptive guy as the real life Gino Marella. See also Jim Ross suddenly wearing a silly hat and calling himself JR after years as a no-nonsense announcer in Mid South/UWF and JCP/WCW and even his first year or two in WWF.

[@EXPLISITemcee]

Bret could have used that audio sample after Monsoon forced Bret to continue at Mania 12.

[@rodneyholmes5260]

The Magnum vs Tully I quit match at Starcade '85 and Ric Flair vs Terry Funk at Clash of Champions in '89 are the gold standard when it comes to I quit matches. While Stone cold didn't submit, his match with Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 13 is up there.

[@dannyfonseca7856]

Great matches I own all 3 on dvd

[@callumpalmer3258]

I'd argue Rey and Chavos match is up with the best also.

[@waxoftriple9]

Technically Bret v. Austin was a Submission Match not an I Quit match.

[@justoneguy2487]

Rock vs Mankind was pretty entertaining too albeit needlessly brutal

[@bradpaton3927]

That NWA United States Heavyweight Championship steel cage match is overrated as Tully Blanchard didn't even say "I Quit"; he said, "Yes" for the finish like he's Daniel fucking Bryan.SMH

[@Kas58223]

The Rock vs Mankind Royal Rumble 1999 vicious chair shots and was knocked out

[@Kas58223]

@GianniCash15 thought it was a good I quit match it was used a rock scheme that he took a recording of mankind saying I quit repeating in a promo and just used the tape of it during the match

[@domtavis4653]

He was semi-conscious, knocked out isn't really a medical term. Mankind was probably only completely incapacitated for a minute.

[@DP2O9]

1999 is the amount of chair shots Mankind took

[@AGH69]

@@DP2O9 Yep and the crowd were counting every one of them, then Rocky faked on the 2000th. Such a prick.

[@emanuelfer456]

Dan was mute. Dan started training and got into the wrestling business. Dan never lost an "I quit" match.

[@Natef321]

Hahaha!

[@brandonsmith94194]

😂😂

[@ichneumon2776]

Dan-Ta-Nan

[@bradpaton3927]

Dan survived an encounter with life-sized, murderous, gummy bears whOutnumbered him.

[@stephenrogers4537]

Tully Blanchard Magnum TA in a steel cage match That's a classic I've never seen better👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍

[@richv1893]

I loved that I Quit Match with Magnum T.A. versus Tully Blanchard. If I'm not mistaken it was in a cage as well. Hands down the best I Quit match of All Time.

[@rubenharry6749]

Can you give me the description? I mean i'm just starting to look up on wrestling past matches and those matches was hard to find on KZbin

[@theshaverage3028]

Starrcade 1985

[@jeffreyriley8742]

I recently rewatched the Tully/Magnum I Quit match several times. Just great stuff.

[@artmeddaugh6669]

I'm looking forward to that! Tully Blanchard vs. Magnum T.A. at Starcade 85 in a steel cage with "I Quit" rules for the NWA United States Heavyweight Championship is the best "I Quit" match I have ever seen as well. The whole layout of their feud was done flawlessly, it even started when Tully was NWA World TV Champion, and he was feuding with Dusty in June of 85. Magnum was on commentary for a few Blanchard matches, didn't like the cheating from Tully and Baby Doll at the finish, especially vs. Don Kernodle, and went down to ringside to get involved. Tully sucker punches him, beats him up, and away we go! Even before Tully loses the TV Title and Baby Doll for 30 days to Dusty at the Bash, Tully and Magnum start to have matches for Magnum's U.S. Title. Baby Doll escapes Dusty at the ranch, and a few days later at the Charlotte coliseum, in a brutal battle, a female security guard(Baby Doll) went down to ringside and handed Tully a roll of quarters, and Tully got up and knocked out Magnum with the punch, and covered him for the pin to become the new U.S. Champion. That, along with Magnum getting mauled in a locker room doing an interview by Ole and Arn Anderson, brought out the hatred and rage in Magnum. That led to the next four months of intense, bitter hatred between Mangum and Tully over the U.S. Title. Both men showed it in the ring and in their promos, as they had brutal, bloody battles all across the country for the fans to see. Tully was so sick of Magnum that he gave him one more match to win the belt back, and when both guys got knocked out and counted out, Magnum had no more shots at the title. Magnum had to petition Bob Geigel, the President of the NWA, for a sanctioned "I Quit" match. Geigel refused Magnum's request, saying it's to dangerous of a match to be sanctioned, and he couldn't allow it. Jim Crockett felt differently. He had an unsigned contract with Tully's name already on it, open for any wrestler to sign, and had Magnum sign it so the "I Quit" match could take place at Starcade 85 in a steel cage. The build up to this match was done so superbly, it was must see TV every week leading to this event, and the match itself was EPIC! Tully and Magnum in the cage was brutal, bloody, fierce, and exhausting. The finish was so dramatic, you really had no idea who was going to win until it actually happened. This is one of my favorite matches of all-time, and it is my favorite feud of all-time.

[@panchunathadhikary8089]

This is so well put by you, sir! Hats off! Gotta see this Match now.

[@artmeddaugh6669]

@@panchunathadhikary8089 Every wrestling fan should watch this match.

[@Airdathegamer]

Austin vs Bret WM13. Austin never says "I quit". He still lost though. He's fucking dead. He's laying there on the floor in a bloody heap. He's done. He loses. It makes dramatic sense for the match to end at that point. It's stupid to wait for the guy to wake up. He's done. That's a reason why that WM13 match is my favorite ever: we have a clear winner. It tells us a complete story that makes sense. These two guys hate each other so much that they threw everything they had at each other, and one of them basically had to kill the other one for it to all end. That right there is wonderful, it's a beautiful story with a great resolution, and it sets up everything that would go on between these two guys going forward. Waiting for the other guy to wake up would be so stupid, it makes the entire promotion look like dumbasses, and it makes the guy passing out so worthless and meaningless.

[@muftau7]

That wasn't an I quit match. An I quit march ending by TKO makes no sense.

[@snailcorepistolwhippits9488]

Brett wins clean and Stone Cold saves face by never quitting. Such a classic, watched it on ppv when I was a kid.

[@erikprestonTV]

@@muftau7 It makes no sense for a dead person to be in a match

[@snailcorepistolwhippits9488]

@@muftau7 yeah wasn't it a submission match or something?

[@ChiGuy251]

@@muftau7 It wasn't an I Quit match in name but the dynamics were the same because back then tapping out wasn't a thing yet so wrestlers submitted verbally.

[@Psydank]

One "I quit" I feel like is underrated is Rey Mysterio vs Chavo Guerrero on Smackdown October 20, 2006. That match was one of the best SD matches I've ever seen

[@chriscothron3606]

Hell yeah dude ! I went back and watched this match on The Network not too long ago after remembering watching it as a kid. It was great

[@patrickboian8545]

Is that the one where he stuck Rey in the support and struck his knee with a chair till he screamed "I quit?" I was probably 11 or 12 in 06 and I wanted to kill Chavo lol.

[@negritotenfold]

I remember wrestling with my friends after watching that match

[@PatrykFracz]

dude that match was insane I was around 8 years old when I saw it and that match still gives me goosebumps and makes me hate chavo

[@chriscothron3606]

@@patrickboian8545 yeah , it was so sad and the chair shots were crazy “SAY YOU QUIT”

[@funklestiltskin6140]

I never really liked the idea of the I Quit match outside of it being a set-up to an actual permanent retirement because to me it always felt that whomever says I Quit gets buried beyond all salvation. At the very least most I Quit matches with cop-outs only bury the bookers.

[@jay_1212]

I would think that verbally quitting would be a lot worse that being knocked out. When you verbally submit you are admitting the other guy is the better man at least in my opinion

[@nybxcrotona]

To me, an "I Quit" match is all about pride. It's not about being the better wrestler (which is what most standard matches are for), or even physically tougher (what Last Man Standing matches are for). A ref might call it in an I Quit match if someone passes out, but it's not as definitive. Especially with the Kingston-Moxley match where Kingston's gripe was that he never tapped, but instead passed out.

[@tonywatts2584]

Admitting the other guy is the better man is admitting the other guy is the better man, saying " I quit" is saying I quit. Two totally different things. I quit in the middle of a card game once, was I "admitting" that my friends are better card players than me? No, by that time we had been playing cards for hours and I had had enough and was ready for bed.

[@erikprestonTV]

It doesn't matter though. If someone chokes or knocks you unconscious; the match is over. In boxing or MMA, if someone can gets knocked out and starts having a seizure on the floor, but the person never "quits" it is still over. They can no longer intelligently defend themselves and the contest is over.

[@tonywatts2584]

@@erikprestonTV Agreed

[@madddoggnogood1491]

@@erikprestonTV but this isnt Mma. In terms of a professional wrestling match... What you just described is a last man standing match

[@eldricksimmons1778]

I feel like Corny would be a terrible gangsta, he'd kill the person never getting his money.

[@Patrick-ud3vu]

I'd pay to hear Jesse Ventura do commentary on an AEW ppv!

[@EliC09]

Cena vs JBL I Quit match had a decent ending, with JBL quiting because he didn't want to get hit by the truck's smoke stack

[@ADAMdinho1]

Truly great I Quit matches. Flair vs Funk Tully vs Magnum TA.

[@jeffreyriley8742]

Did you know the Tully/Magnum I Quit match was the FIRST ever I Quit match?

[@niteporter]

To me the greatest I quit match ever is Tully blanchard vs magnum ta steel cage. Still a classic to this day. Even though the man, the myth, the legend Tully blanchard lost still a classic match.

[@bucksatanII]

Jesse was so good. Him & Bobby were the best

[@davidalvarez2893]

I still remember Terry Funk saying "yes, yes, yes, I Quit!" in his classic match vs Ric Flair. Gary Hart was also amazing in this match.

[@egyptian316]

The 'I Quit' format worked back in the 1980s, when it was seen as a sign of weakness to submit to a hold. Bookers would even work out ways to give the face an 'excuse' for why they had to tap out-an injury, got screwed, extra leverage from a manager, etc. Then the 1990s, MMA, and Taz happened. Now guys don't just give up, they tap out. It's not any worse than getting pinned. Hell, everyone gets pinned once in a while, right? Sometimes you get caught in a hold, and can't get out. No sense getting crippled when you could live to fight another day. So how do you do an I Quit match now? Just act like these two guys aren't big whiny crybabies like everyone else on your roster, and would /never/ tap out? Try to book this match in a void where things aren't the same as in every other match on your show? It doesn't work. You spent two decades telling people that submissions are a part of the game, and everyone can lose that way, and then try to reverse that for one night and say two guys so manly they would never normally lose like that are going to have to find some way to get the other guy to tap. It doesn't work. You want a match like this, go with the old Last Man Standing format. Normal wrestling. Nobody has to change what they do. It's No DQ, any shenanigans go. A guy gets pinned, ref goes over with the mic and says, "You had enough?" He says "thank you sir may I have another" and the match continues. Eventually one of these guys looks up through the blood and sweat pouring into his eyes, his hands shaking from the pain, looks at a guy who is about to give him one more just like the last one and he says, "Please. That's enough. No more." If the heel loses it pays off the angle and they can both move on to the next thing. If the face loses, he comes back the next night and apologizes. Then his tag partner comes out and shames him about quitting like that, and they have to be pulled apart, and we have our next angle and start rebuilding our face so we can have him overcome, or so he can gatekeep for another heel on the way up.

[@jamesburke2110]

Another great "I Quit" match was Ric Flair and Terry Funk

[@tobiasfarragut292]

Which event b/c The network is sketchy on shit from 89-92 Dubyah Cee Dubyah

[@lonestarfriend]

I gotta disagree with Cornette here. I think the goal of the match is to threaten or torture your opponent so much that he (or she) has to say the words “I Quit” before suffering further. Passing out seems like a cop-out to me in a way.

[@erikprestonTV]

Nobody would actually risk their health, brain and life though. If they're choked or knocked unconscious, why would a referee pause the contest to wake up the other guy who could be dead to ask if they quit? Their body quit. It's over. I know pro wrestling is fake, but this shit is so stupid.

[@planexshifter]

but a KO should be a win- or at least the guy that got knocked out should be disqualified.... I mean, it's just dumb to push it further.

[@ernestcolemantheking]

So other words, The ref should help the person win the match?

[@Bearwolf13]

Tully Blanchard vs Magnum T.A is my all time favorite I Quit matches, I'm glad Jim's doing a watch along too it. I watched a lot of Wrestling through tapes when I was younger and I used to borrow my neighbors copy of this match , the Dog Collar match between Greg Valentine and Roddy Piper, and Ricky Steamboat vs Ric Flair when Steamboat won the title all the time. The N.W.A (Mid Atlantic) is what we watched in my part of the Carolina's.

[@pauladams1915]

At least Schivone had passion back then

[@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442]

It's Stang!! The man called Stang!!

[@michaelmc648]

Think he's just taking a paycheck at aew

[@EliC09]

@@michaelmc648 same with Jim Ross

[@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442]

@@EliC09 It's not their fault. Compare today's wrestling with 90's wrestling. It's hard to get passionate if you know how much better it was when you were young.

[@JPS47]

He had none of it in the final Nitro when Vince did his pointless segments

[@standardofexcellence]

Dan severn always looked like a bootleg version of norm mcdonald playing burt reynolds on snl's celebrity jeopardy to me

[@JPS47]

Roman Ruins can we keep that like Kenny Olivier?

[@Kas58223]

I think Cornette likes Roman more than twinkle toes mcfingerbang

[@TNLable]

Every Monday Night Raw Sewage episode I always keep on having an I Quit matches against my TV 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cacallis86]

Personally I wish they would do a I quit finish like BLOODSPORT

[@deniscore8270]

Hell yeah

[@zerothehero2628]

Fight to surviiiive!!!

[@JBar]

I very frequently agree with Jim, but honestly if you can win by knockout that just turns it into a last man standing match. An I quit match with a death, that's a no contest

[@erikprestonTV]

A lot of times in MMA, a real combat sport, people will get choked unconscious and the match is stopped by the referee. That person may have never "quit," but their body did and if the choke stays locked in that person will die. But sense wrestling is fake stupid shit is accepted

[@JBar]

@@erikprestonTV sure I get that. the thing is wrestling also has those type matches. I quit matches are supposed to be about breaking your opponents will, not their body

[@vanderful2397]

@@erikprestonTV I think the rules should always allow you to win via KO, so no need to revive a knocked out opponent etc. However I get that a person may want to win in a special way, it has happened before. In boxing Ali vs Patterson (2?) could've ended in few rounds, but Ali was so pissed that wanted to really hurt Patterson. I guess he wanted Patterson to give up himself, so he just kept humiliating him in the ring. When it comes to wrestling stories, I have no problem with people trying to win matches by forcing their opponent to submit, if the story calls for that.

[@erikprestonTV]

@@vanderful2397 ​ @JBar I get all that. I would have had the same match just without the parts where they take turns taking naps with the ref gently waking them up to ask if they quit.

[@vanderful2397]

@@erikprestonTV You & everybody else! :D Why must all the dangerous matches be so long nowadays? If you're really pissed at your opponent, getting to satisfactory ending shouldn't take that long...

[@jacksonwilson1031]

Jim , if someone dies mid I quit match ... Obviously the opponent quits it's the honorable thing to do .. they live to fight another day . Let the man have it he fucking died

[@chyguy9132]

Rock vs Mankind was most brutal

[@lordporterhouse2604]

The one that comes to mind is Austin v. Hart where Austin passed out in the sharpshooter. Hart won, no bs like "well I guess we wait until Austin wakes up". That would've been stupid and the match as it was helped create the Stone Cold character.

[@bobbytq]

This is the one I thought of instantly too

[@aviralsrivastava5126]

Flair vs Funk at clash 89 was a fucking "I quit" classic.

[@KingGreen121]

“You’re even dumber than Monsoon” 😂😂😂😂

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Ive never understood the logic of how getting knocked out in a submission isnt making someone quit. Its the literal definition of your body quitting.

[@eaglesandowls]

But I think there is a difference between someone's body biologically quitting on them and the person actually wanting to quit. I always saw "I quit" matches as more of a mental toughness competition with the loser basically admitting that they are not as tough mentally as their opponent in handling the pain. If you are going to have the ending with someone knocked out why not just make it a last man standing match.

[@ravanpee1325]

Sabu vs. John Moxley in an I quite Match with thumtacks and fire :)

[@FonkedUpProductions]

Ventura is BRUTAL 😂😂😂

[@ronniefox5025]

Bathos reminds me of when Rampage beat Chuck Liddell to sleep but Chuck was woken up by follow up punches and a Noob fan said "maybe they should have let the fight continue.

[@theuniverse7227]

All up and coming wrestlers should be subbed to this channel

[@ErwalDeeas]

I now want to see Jim Cornette as the genie in Aladdin.

[@totz_the_plaid9625]

It's almost as stupid as having a disqualification in a "no disqualifications" match!

[@kealebogamolo6685]

Jim Cornette should have been part of the Black Panther writing team when they were storyboarding the waterfall fight

[@Fender178]

Ok To that person who said about the Moxley match about if he (Moxley) would have knocked the other guy out and he couldn't say I quit and couldn't win the match. Tell that to Steve Austin and Bret Hart in WM13. Austin didn't say I quit because he bled so much he passed out. Bret still won the match because of Austin's inability to continue. The same thing applies to the Moxley match and the guy who said this is a complete moron who doesn't understand the alternate stipulations of an I quit match. The funniest I Quit match was the Hardy Boyz one because of Matt begging and pleading with Jeff at the end and he said I quit and Jeff didn't give a shit and just did his move anyway.

[@tonyslicer7399]

Best one was Mankind vs The Rock lol

[@renafan3333]

Magnum tried to rip Tully's eye out though? I think if it's an I Quit Match the end should be someone saying I Quit. If you don't want either guy to quit for whatever reason don't book the match.

[@---_---_---_---___---]

I quit matches are just worse submittion matches

[@ryanodonovan9497]

In terms of realism, I Quit matches should be ended by referee stoppage if a competitor is incapacitated. If that happens, they haven't said that they quit, but their body has quit by itself.

[@johnnyd6135]

I agree with Jim and Bryan about how if someone is knocked and can't continue in an I quit match, then it should be stopped. That's why Austin and Bret Hart's match was so good. With that said, I did appreciate in Roman Reigns vs Jey Uso the story of how Roman wanted Jey to acknowledge him as the tribal chief. That was cool in that match, but making Jey pass out and continuing it was kinda dumb but I think Reigns stopped the ref from calling the match so that also helped. That one was at least something different vs the one with Moxley and Kingston

[@420MrReefer]

How dare Jim under sell "it means your heart quit "

[@DylanSpringsteen44]

Austin V Bret Ric Flair V Terry Funk Magnum TA V Tully Blanchard Iconic I Quit matches.

[@CokinaClutch]

my favorite i quit matches ric flair vs terry funk in 1989 and mick foley vs the rock in 1998

[@dalecowles3406]

Jim has a point I think a little explanation on rules should be used before the match. At Wrestlemania 13 Austin never said I quit his body gave out and the referee stopped the match and gave it to Bret.

[@petertr2000]

The whole point of the I Quit match is to humiliate your opponent into saying the words for everyone to hear. Its not about knocking them out or whatever. Its about which of you loses the resolve and has to ask for the opponent to stop. Otherwise prang them in the back of the head when they don't even know you're there and run to the ref to have your hand raised. That's totally missing the point of the match.

[@xxxaragon]

Cornette's point however, as I understood, was that if the match is booked as if one or both participants are pretty much "out of it" at one point or another during the match, the stipulation is dumb. (the most obvious example mentioned in the comments is the Rusev/Cena match. with Rusev literally using water to get Cena back to consciousness. that's what I feel deserves to be called dumb. passing out means losing the match)

[@stupidcheeks]

Jesse's commentary at the beginning is priceless!

[@DrShankenstein]

When Jim asked what happens if the guy has a heart attack and dies in the ring during an I quit match... What would you do during a regular match? Hook the leg? 🤣🤣🤣

[@mr.mirchenstein6549]

@2:10 Well, lets keep in mind, Vince literally was, or at least part of the on air tv commentary from approximately 1969/1970 til around 1997/98. Even when Bobby Heenan & Gorilla were the main team, it was usually a 3 man booth with Vince...at least for the big shows hen anything important happenen.

[@rwfracing]

Magnum vs Tully I quit match at Starcade '85 is my standard for what matches should be. Not the crap that is on today.

[@Pazuzu158]

Don’t forget about the rock vs mankind back in the day was the most brutal I quit match I’ve ever seen

[@ThEAiRsOfTMaSsAcRe]

Rey mysterio jr vs chavo Guerrero jr from Mar 2007 is the bar for I quit matches that has never since been reached for me, not alot of spots and gimmicks and a believable finish that is memorable and iconic. Too bad it never elevated chavo like it should have.

[@xLesMoore]

The only way to win the "I Quit" match can only end when someone says "I Quit" is so damn dumb. Thank you, Jim.

[@matthewmonsour9802]

I totally agree with your logic Jim Cornette but i will go one step further. Im into Brazillian Jiu jitsu and we have a saying....tap nap or snap. Break an arm or a leg and the fights over as well.

[@j.d.6915]

Should just have a Loser Leave match.

[@thekidfromiowa]

WM XI is one such dubious sample. Backlund didn't even say anything that resembled an actual word and apparently that qualified as an "I Quit". Dumb finish.

[@freddiehall6433]

People forget. The matches weren't "I quit" matches. They were called "lights out/I quit" matches, thus insurance for the knocked out scenario.

[@BodyslamMediaProductions]

Matt and Jeff had a great I QUIT match back in 2009.

[@slashandbones13]

I feel like if someone passes out or gets knocked out, it would a draw on paper. I feel like actually saying "I Quit" would be more embarrassing as a matter of pride.

[@MDangerously]

I think what it is IS that the idea of an "I quit" match has to be different whereas if you had good players doing the match, the core of the match doesn't have to be changed. Adding the spectacle of a hell in a cell or using a barbed wire baseball bat and having someone say I quit even though they weren't in a predicament makes it "Different". Doesn't make it good.

[@joshfernandez2262]

Did we all forget Brett Hart vs Stone Cold Steve Austin. Brett won by knockout too, and solidified Austin as one of the toughest bastards in the fed, so I don’t see the problem.

[@jaynorthrop7456]

Austin " passed out " during his " I Quit " match with Bret. That made it so much better. It would have sucked if Austin or Bret actually said " I Quit "

[@TheBrister]

Exactly. That finish made perfect sense. Austin hated Bret so much that he would rather rithe in pain and possibly face serious injury than tell Bret he's the better man.

[@hermonymusofsparta]

Wasn't a I quit match

[@jd9119]

If either of them said "I quit," it would've ruined their career.

[@herecomesdatrain]

Wasn't ken shamrock the referee

[@KillerManzarek]

It was a Submission Match, not an I Quit. Not much different but still

[@shanepleasants6280]

I thought if you were knocked out choked out are passed out in a I Quit match you still lose because you did quit your whole body quit

[@jamaalmoses8821]

Hogan and the Bossman attacked Earthquake DURING the Hogan /Earthquake match.. the ref did nothing.

[@retrokoh1507]

I'm glad Corny said it because as much as I loved that match, I HATED when they did this spot... Ref telling Roman that the match is still on because Uso can't say I Quit. Now, when Roman stopped the ref from ending the match, THAT brought me back. That makes more sense to continue the match in that way. But the prior spot was just stupid.

[@ennbee2051]

Bret Hart vs Mr Backlund at Wrestlemania ? Piper asks Bob if he quits and all we get is "Eahhhhhhh. Ehhhhhhaa!"

[@RotundRager]

The WWE I Quit matches since at least the Attitude era were always explicitly that they had to say I Quit, and that a knock out didn't end it. They've been doing it over over 20 years, so it's what even long term fans have been trained for. The idea being that you do as much damage as you can to make the opponent suffer, not just put them down with a punch. Additionally, in modern times knock outs have been greatly de-emphasized, in large part to all the worries about CTE injuries. So to a modern fan, a "real" knock out is going to be associated with a botch anyway, rather than something being an effective attack. You can blame Vince for that being how modern wrestling fans see it, but its not the fans misunderstanding how the match operates under how the WWE has presented it for decades.

[@earthdog7900]

If you have a heart attack and die before quitting, it ends as a no contest. by thus logic.

[@josgor9061]

I think when the face says I quit, it’s way more powerful.

[@TheMagnificentMongoSlade]

Tully vs Magnum was excellent, one of my favorite I Quit Match. I loved Reigns vs Uso, but yeah the match should've ended when Roman was unresponsive.

[@MasterFhyl]

Seems like they should have made it a last man standing match.

[@InfiniCalendar]

I always thought, one person should come to an I Quit match with a real chainsaw. That would be an easy win.

[@bradpaton3927]

I never knew Tony Schiavone was in the WWF.

[@fangerboardin4741]

Had to go watch the Tully vs Mag Fight and I said fight because that was that was goddamn!!

[@ericgilbert56]

I guess channel ratings are good when you get 3 ads within 8 mins...

[@juno1317]

If i may put in my two useless bits. If you choke a guy out to the point of wanting validation of choking a guy out. Then the rematch should be a submission match. In a submission match if the guy you are choking out passes out, you win with a "clean" submission.

[@SamVance]

Austin vs Hart: Austin passed out, lost.

[@theraven7456]

in ancient greek, if somebody die during a match he was considered tougher than the other cause he rather die than admit defeat

[@JeromeDoyle]

If someone has a heart attack during a match I'd like to think it would be ruled a no contest.

[@jd9119]

It's a forfeit.

[@ShelCorporation]

Knocking out an opponent is the purpose of a last man standing match, not an I quit match. I thought an I quit match was about embarrassing your opponent, it’s a pride thing.

[@davidiihouston6883]

And that's why Tony just wasn't cut out for the WWF. WWF commentators always had to overplay being a babyface and it made them say stupid things and that's still a thing. Great work by Jesse. They need someone like that now on commentary.

[@rickytpb2164]

I hope Mick Foley is doing well. All the brutal matches he had in his career. His I Quit Match with The Rock was ridiculous and unnecessary. Nobody else in the business would ever take that many chair shots to the head.

[@Kas58223]

The rock went overboard Foley wanted to kill him after the match he said lucky the rock wasn’t around when he was getting stitched up

[@rickytpb2164]

@@Kas58223 and to make matters worse his wife was screaming and his two little children were crying in the front row.

[@Kas58223]

@@rickytpb2164 it was awful seeing that

[@nh7680]

Agreed that was a little overboard and in hindsight learning about CTE a lot in wrestling from the past is overboard but his kids shouldn't have been in the crowd watching him in an I Quit match in the first place that's him and/or his wife's fault.

[@Kas58223]

@@nh7680 definitely knowing a match like that would have been violent his family should have been there when mankind and Rock did this is your life segment

[@josereyes1148]

Agree. It makes no sense that knocking the guy out wouldnt count as a victory. But that is modern wrestling for you

[@JP5150_]

Quitting or not quitting in general with certain professional wrestling matches necessarily NEEDING the words spoken for a winner to be determined seemed interesting to me in the beginning. But there were a few that had a winner determined even though the words "I Quit" were not spoken and in my memory both featured Bret "The Hitman" Hart at WrestleMania. He choked out Bob Backlund at WrestleMania XI for the WWF Championship and Bob never Quit. Then two years later at Wrestlemania 13 against Stone Cold Steve Austin which lead to the legendary double turn and Stone Cold became the badass Babyface Wrestling fans started to react very high on him. I Quit matches some were good others not so much so in a way I guess I can agree in my opinion of the pointless effort of needing the words spoken to surrender the match and declare a winner.

[@williamamacker3119]

There’s only been one great I quit match and that was between Magnum TA Terry Allen versus Tully Blanchard with baby doll that was an awesome match the ultimate I quit match of all time and will never be Another match with this intense storyline and awesome matches throughout this feud peeking at Starcade 85 The magnitude and build to this match was excellent it’s just too bad they don’t do things appropriately anymore I’ve seen several I quit matches since the Starcade March and not one of them even come close 🤔🧐🤘

[@jaydav6521]

In MMA the ref stops the fight if someone is unconscious. It doesn't matter if the fighter didn't tap out. It's the refs job to protect the fighter.

[@JeromeDoyle]

My all time favorite I Quit Match has to go to Clash of Champions IX Flair vs Funk. No competition.

[@xLesMoore]

Jim, I love you.