Sega Doesn't Know What They Have - Delayed Input with Kyle Bosman

[@quagthias]

I see Kyle's wardrobe theme for this season is Geoff Keighley from the Project Natal reveal from 2010.

[@arglebargle5531]

Who do you think gave him those clothes?

[@benfranklincatappleshark]

DEAD right about Sega not knowing their IP's worth. Story time: years ago, I worked for a company in the US that owned all the IP licensing rights to SEGA's game catalogue and their whole purpose was to go out to hollywood and get projects made. It FASCINATED me from day 1 that no one on that team knew anything about these games, or which ones to pursue. I was a week into the job and realized from their positioning and pitches that they couldn't differentiate relevance levels between Ristar, Comix Zone, and Sonic.

[@ROJM-cc1gp]

So you were with Stories LLC then. Funny. Things changed since then after the Sonic movie. They got buoyed after hollywood came knocking and brought the rights to three/four of their IPs including the one you just mentioned. So now they actively shopping IPs again but they realize that the games getting the deals are titles from the back catalogue and not the newer stuff like Persona which they want to get licensed to hollywood.

[@kephalai]

why didn't you step up and save them?

[@benfranklincatappleshark]

Fascinating. Good to know they're still committed to the struggle@@ROJM-cc1gp

[@saynotop2w]

The more I learn about this company, the more fascinating it gets to see just how they stay in business

[@Jerler91]

Somehow i always forget they have like a dragon and persona raking in cash for them. There are definitely reasons for them to succeed.... but then they tell you what theyre thinking 😂

[@pinktrutle1490]

​@@Jerler91Sonic movies

[@JazGalaxy]

@@Jerler91Sega didn’t make as many bad decisions as they get blamed for. They were just victims of circumstance more often than not.

[@JimmyDoogs]

Sega is a super weird company at the top. Stuff like they stopped making video game consoles when before the made almost too many consoles then Microsoft Swooped in and took all their thunder. Still though I'd say their games are up there with the big boys like Square Enix right now.

[@Kartak965]

There are some rumors about sammy getting money from the yakuza but I don’t know how true these are.

[@ExisCrisis]

Are we not sure that Hyenas wasn't one of SEGA's attempts at a super game?

[@Thomazbr]

That was my vision as well. A big multiplayer competitive shooter sounds like a big super game to me.

[@tomwatts9822]

they called it a "step towards the super game". given the premise involving memorabilia of classic Sega IP, I can sorta see what they mean. Hyenas was meant to "advertise" Sega's classic brands in a way

[@w1mark275]

I think Sega's last attempt at a "super game" was Shenmue 2 and well --we all-- most of know how that ended up...

[@D.S.handle]

We are not yet ready for the super game.

[@Kartak965]

Maybe the super game was the friends we made along the way.

[@DUKEzors]

SEGA is so good at being unbelievably late to the party.

[@Jakco808]

Nintendo as well in some instances

[@DUKEzors]

@@Jakco808 I've started giving them a pass because everyone says that and then poorly copies whatever hardware innovation Nintendo brings to the table each generation.

[@JazGalaxy]

Sega was never late to the party, they simply had too much legacy to compete with Sony, who didn’t have any legacy at all. Sega made decisions based on the way things had always been done, and Sony made a lot of decisions that were seemingly very stupid, but up paying off for them. For example, the Sony, PlayStation wasn’t actually any cheaper than the steak of Saturn. It’s just that the PlayStation took the memory card, controller, and game out of the box and sold them to you separately. This gave the illusion of being cheaper while actually selling you a consul box that doesn’t do anything until you spent an extra $150 to make it work. It was shrewd on Sony‘s part, but realistically Sega was simply doing what had always been done. But Saggus history is moved in this conversation, because that was 30 years ago and Sega is an entirely new company now.

[@RakastanPorkkanakakkua]

They are like Apple with tech but with none of the innovation.

[@stefanswiss3760]

@@RakastanPorkkanakakkua they had inovation but like microsoft with its Zune they were terrible flops : Sega 32X and CD were inovations, they didn't know that 32X was a dead end because of the outdated megadrive with its few colors capacity but the CD could have been quite profitable selling compilations on CD would have been clever and cheap. megadrive also had "an Xbox pass" before it was a thing : games you download with your sega modem and that you don't possess, demos and extra content.(obviously very limited due to the tech capacity of the early 90's) They were probably 2 or 3 years too soon for internet too. When they went belly up, WoW hit the jackpot with monthly subscriptions for 20 years... it could have been PSO. But yeah, they aren't very good at knowing their strong points and how to promote those. Sometimes I feel they had success in spite of their management, by random

[@chazmaru9583]

⚠️Trigger-warning: savage and senseless Pepperouchau disparagement at 6:12

Oh nice, I love when Kyle talks about business reports. It honestly reminds me when he was hosting the podcast.

[@DeathSquadDesign]

Seeking platonic competitive roommate. Must enjoy evenings of video game play with overly animated gestures. SEGA memorabilia a plus. No pets/smoking.

[@CyclonSilver]

The girl is from Dynamite Deka, she's the president's daughter, and she's constantly hiding from her very competent captors underneath a desk, hence her pose. The Bruce Willis guy(not an accident, the series is based on Die Hard) near the middle is also from that.

[@pimsbury5155]

A desk that the BAD GUY is sitting at..... that game is rad.

[@TheTacticalRPGOdyssey]

I can't not imagine Kyle making the derpiest face whenever he says "streamers" that way 🥴

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

I love the Sonic Social team, that account is awesome, and they MADE A VIDEO GAME for Pete’s sake. But MAN is it clear Sega values them (and their IP’s in general, it seems) for all the wrong reasons. You can’t say stuff like that and not be ridiculously out of touch

[@JazGalaxy]

That’s silly. This isn’t FOR you. You can’t take business communications and read them on a childish, snarky KZbin channel while giggling and expect the content to land the same way as it was intended.

[@JohnGuyJohn]

@@JazGalaxy This has not been a great year for demonstrating the competence of gaming business executives.

[@ItsTheFizz]

If it were me, the ideal SEGA "Super Game" would just be a larger version of the Like A Dragon arcade, an unified hub for all their games with shared cosmetics

[@profoundbadness6839]

Kyle how could you forget the iconic character, the president's daughter whose name I forget from Dynamite Cop/Die Hard Arcade. She didn't fall over just to get disrespected like this.

[@goranisacson2502]

Ooh that was her? Man I even played that game in a legit arcade. I have failed as a SEGA-fan that I didn't remember...

[@slugbones]

Delayed Input is some of the best games content on the web. Always get at least a couple laughs.

[@BrandonFoy]

The clockwork knight shade 😭😂😂😂

[@tombcruisin]

Sega already had an expandable super game formula in 1998 with the inclusion of the chao garden in SA1. The decision to never do it again after SA2 is like if Game Freak quit pokemon after Crystal.

[@DropProps]

The fact they didn't realise they really had something there is insane

[@CyclonSilver]

@@DropProps Didn't really get the chance, after the failure of the Dreamcast it took them years to even find their footing again. Honestly they probably had to restructurate and fire most of their talent.

[@TheGrades90]

So good to have you back. Loved this topic! also. . .best background.

[@The_SOB_II]

Did you mean the COW AND CHICKEN BACKGROUND

[@TheGrades90]

We can’t let them get away with this!

[@CyclonSilver]

6:08 : ... man. So much obscure artwork, some of which I'm seeing for the first time. So many references to Sega's entire history, with many franchises showing up several times. ... and not a trace of Skies of Arcadia. Not even some Cupil or a pirate flag hiding somewhere. At least Shining Force got that much. I'm officially sad now.

[@desureg]

This was a good episode, Kyle

[@dougbabb1285]

Love your videos, super psyched for another season. Keep it up!

[@key099able]

6:10 It’s clockwork knight or Sir Tongara de Pepperouchau III.

[@richardhunter9779]

One of the most successful IPs on Saturn.

[@quagthias]

Sega's Super Game... bless your heart.

[@JazGalaxy]

I don’t see why it’s considered such a reach when they already did it with Phantqsy Star Online. They were just a little early.

[@GuyFromNorth]

Nice, this one's worth a thumbs up. An interesting autopsy of a business report, a very well put together video.

[@benfranklincatappleshark]

This right here is my favorite type of Bossy episode, where he dives deep into corporate earnings docs and discusses his nuggets he finds that noone else bothers to look for. Even SEGA investors haven't realized they used the same graph 3 years in a row. I guarantee it. I love these because I'm thinking about this same stuff ALL the time.

[@Vibincockroach]

I fucking love the intro bit this episode

[@arthurcarezzato5360]

Clockwork Knight is the IP, everyone should know about Pepperouchau 😂

[@Steenar123]

I let out an audible excited gasp when I saw a new episode of Delayed Input pop up.

[@EHeroClayman]

I could see Sega making a Smash Bros style game or even expanding Phantasy Star into something like the free to play games. But like Kyle, the Super Game intrigues me.

[@blueberry5574]

I just wanna say kid chameleon is awesome.

[@kellymccabe9154]

Bosman, you're a great guy, and we've had some good times. But we are going to have a serious problem if you don't stop it with the Altered Beast and Kid Chameleon slander. Those games are bangers, and I've veen waiting for new ones for years!

[@messihr]

I hate to say this, but as a teacher I basically had that same conversation from the intro with my students.

[@KennyandLindsayWatch]

Really can't wait for the Super Game to be revealed as Sonic Adventure 3

[@DapperDevNull]

Billy Hatcher must be well and truly extinct because he wasn't even invited to show up to the group photo

[@Kango234]

I feel like they want to distance themselves from Yuji Naka as much as possible.

[@JazGalaxy]

@@Kango234I feel like it should be a rule that you can only invoke his name as Noted Criminal Yuji Naka…

[@WildKamuran]

Not even nights, rodea the sky soldier.

[@LoliconSamalik]

@@WildKamuran The latter is kadokawa

[@LoliconSamalik]

@@Kango234 If that's the case, then older sonic games he made wouldn't be re-released

[@MonsterMJ]

Kyle on Point on this one 😊👍🏼 great Episode

[@Bobio]

4:22 absolutely savage honk

[@metalmilitia89]

Delayed Input is a must every Friday.

[@The_SOB_II]

But Thursday

[@julsmelrose]

More videos of you picking apart Powerpoint decks please 😂

[@Imbrockleedammit]

I second this.

[@craptastrophe521]

I just discovered Kyle Bosman and I've spent the last Nine Days binging his Absolutely amusing videos

[@sicdefsic1980]

Just found your videos, these are great. Looking forward to listening to all these while mindlessly replaying nioh2 today.

[@PHENOMENON360]

Hey Kyle, great Video as always. Thank you.

[@TheMarkoSeke]

A Sega super game would be a Yakuza MMO where you go from level 1 thug to level 100 boss

[@manukau5271]

MMM 🔥🔥🔥

[@SlitheringStevePhilips]

Sega knows nobody wants new stuff, they just want remakes, it’s genius tbh

[@SeaToSkyImages]

Oooooh. The vest arc has begun.

[@NinjaxShadowXx]

SEGA needs to bring back Skies of Arcadia, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force and Phantasy Star series but I am happy the trailer had Crazy Taxi, Shinobi, Jet Set Radio and Streets of Rage

[@JazGalaxy]

The problem with modern gamers and Sega properties is that modern gamers won’t play a game unless they can play it for 100 hours of non repeating “content”, has to have at least a z-grade “story”, and they don’t want to pay for it. Thats not a great market for the revival of Sega classic franchises.

[@Moondragon]

Goodness, that Sonic screenshot got me good. 😆

[@JazGalaxy]

I thought that Sega killed it at the game awards. That trailer was absolutely for people of my age. There is no world in which a commercial about Sega getting its groove back is going to speak to gen z. It’s not FOR them. And frankly none of them were likely watching the game awards to see a bunch of middle-aged-man games take home awards.

[@VinceTrousers4]

This might be the best Delayed Input ever

[@justahuman4862]

Loved that the eye had Sega in it in the trailer..

[@Sputnik34]

yeah this is great and all but what are your thoughts on Arthur Morgan as a character?

[@MatrockRecords]

When I look at that Sega image and see Carbuncle I know they've been squandering their greatest resource.

[@metagamesbr6323]

Sad not to see a Skies of Arcadia character in that image with the other Sega characters 😢

[@Paroex]

Not to mention Bug

[@cashnelson2306]

I'm on board. Not sure why it took so long for someone to think of making a game, but better

[@brentclouse7791]

Game publisher PowerPoints are a gold mine of Kyle content

[@SStyle5]

I've been reading Sega FY/FQ reports for years, they're lots of fun.

[@Dev_A_Station]

Kid Chameleon is one of the most slept on games of all time.

[@drunkinmonk1991]

All they had to do was update factions from the first game which was great. As soon as they mentioned live service I knew it wouldn't work.

[@DapperDevNull]

6:10 I wont name the IP at Kyle's request but his games have killer soundtracks (and not much more)

[@JazGalaxy]

I remember being VERY suckered by screenshots of that game and then playing it and not being blown away. It’s not bad. It’s just not better than Castle Of Illusion, which you could play on the genesis you already own.

[@wallacelovecraft8942]

11:00 LOL. Let's hope there is another episode before christmas. Is this the vest arc?

[@phant0mdummy]

Goofy Slams Down a Hot Plate of Dog Food 😂 was my childhood

[@SaiyanHeretic]

I think that bit with the ledge is to indicate you can wall climb around the corner.

[@akirabaes]

10:42 Pokémon and its forward-compatibility of its creatures and combat mechanics could be interpreted as an early example of a super-game ecosystem?

[@bitterbatterdog]

I have to say that Sega is probably one of the few companies that CAN force a super game because they already have a template. Literally just start building games into Yakuza world, add multiplayer so you walk around some worlds with other dudes, chuck a virtua fighter fight mode on top to beat up random people. You can already play old games in it. They already made an updated Virtua Fighter to add to Lost Judgement. It's not hard to imagine that instead of making a free game to add to a $60 game, they make a $60 game for a free game.

[@dobby3221]

I think I'm the only person who played, enjoyed and want sega to bring condemned back

[@pinktrutle1490]

I really don't understand what's wrong with sega reviving IP like this tho. As long as they are good game they should succeed. The super game stuff i get but segas IP incentive from what we have heard from developers seems to be soild.

[@Dok179]

They greatly overvalue these dead IPs, the remakes are not gonna sell. It's a waste of effort.

[@pinktrutle1490]

@@Dok179 They didn't tho. On the blue and gree cart they always put the IP on the bottom of expectation of growth

[@Dok179]

@@pinktrutle1490Then why bother making them? SEGA seems to think that it'd be worth it, which I think is a mistake.

[@SSJ3JackBauer]

They have to do that with Shinobi background for game design purposes so you clearly know which surfaces you can grab on to (both horizontal and vertical).

[@Morden97]

"Super game" sounds like the "legendary super saiyan" myth before goku transformed in the show lol.

[@ThaThree]

Just stumbled upon this (really good) video. You seem REALLY familiar. Do I know you from somewhere? Why am I getting Gametrailers in my mind? Either way good ass content

[@obsidianchao]

Sega's announcement felt like Tom Kalinske snorted a fat line in the bathroom and walked out on stage yelling "WE'RE GONNA MAKE A CONSOLE"

[@SamButler22]

Wait, the Keighley showcase had awards?

[@williammoore1030]

6:12 Don’t be sleeping on clockwork knight, a hibernating giant IP.

[@goose2270]

Call me a nostalgia baby, I'm still getting Shinobi 🎉

[@TorQueMoD]

Supreme use of the Honk this episode :)

[@victorholmes7075]

If the Super Game is the 6-Pak from the Genesis I’m in there like swimwear

[@Furluge]

All I want is Phantasy Star 5. Or barring that, the PS2 Phantasy Star 1 & 2 remakes brought into english and the Phantasy Star 4 remake finally done.

[@cptnoremac]

That character is from Clockwork Knight. It was a Saturn launch title. I have it. It's alright, if a little janky. I think his name is Pepperochu or something lame like that. The credits music is cool.

[@ROJM-cc1gp]

yeah you are correct it had a sequel and was to get a puzzle game but it got cancelled. Another attempt to bring it back for the gamecube as an RPG type met the same fate.

[@cptnoremac]

@@ROJM-cc1gp I have the sequel too. They got lazy and used the same credits music.

[@JazGalaxy]

@@ROJM-cc1gpthat’s interpreting. I didn’t know that.

[@ROJM-cc1gp]

@@JazGalaxy interesting or interpreting? Anyway the video of the saturn puzzle game similar to bomberman of clockwork knight can be found online, Knight N Knight the gamecube game but possibly for ps2 too but SEGA at that time was aiming their mascot type characters at a young audience which was associated with nintendo was the cancelled rpg has no video but trademarks of it can be found at the trademark office. Sad really.

[@eSKAone-]

Did you see the one with the non gameplay CGI

[@Kaleb_SMILE]

It should be noted that the team that made Lego Worlds also made Lego Fortnite. The difference is Lego Fortnite is going to be constantly updated for free for many years and not require you to buy a bunch of real toys to get new content.

[@phoneticvaluesonly]

Spiffy new glasses Mr. Boss Man

[@derrickd111]

I've wondered this this for awhile, when Kyle puts that accent on "story' is that supposed to from that song - Story of a Girl by Nine Days

[@victorholmes7075]

That’s my thought

[@ZekeAxel]

Rocksteady should take note of the TLOU cancellation.

[@LoliconSamalik]

Rocksteady isn't owned by a mass gaming conglomerate

[@ZekeAxel]

@@LoliconSamalik WB is a mass media conglomerate...

[@j.a.bonacci]

Kyle was so close to breaking character multiple times in this video 😂

[@dabajabaza111]

Welcome back.

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

Now if they add Sonic to Jet Set Radio, that'd be kinda cool too.

[@arthurcarezzato5360]

The super game will be the Ultimate Chao Garden, you can create the Chao whatever you like! They will have cute dancing moves and will be able to build things too! Oh, and one more thing they have guns now!

[@Waffletigercat]

I legit would like to see a new Kid Chameleon. The core concept of the original game was good. Tons of different costumes with unique powers and abilities, some of which could be transferred when switching costumes. Just, the level design was ass. So I’d really like to see a new one with the same core idea, but better level design.

[@timpize8733]

To me it's simply one of the best 2D platformers. I disagree about the level design, it's one of its biggest strengths. Which game has hidden rooms with teleporters that can send you to alternative levels, or even backwards? You never knew what to expect. 😵‍💫

[@Waffletigercat]

@@timpize8733 I despise that the level layout is a complete maze. Also, AFAIK, the only way to actually fight the final boss and beat the game is to find the hidden teleporter in the first level. Once you are past the first level, I don’t think there’s any other route to the final boss except to loop back to level 1.

[@timpize8733]

@@Waffletigercat No you just get to the final boss by finishing each level you're in. There's no way to get back to level 1. I don't know where you've heard that. You can check some playthroughs if you want. Some levels are a bit maze-like though. But to me it's part of the appeal. There are all kinds of level designs, some of which make very good use of the masks. And the main appeal is all the secrets and multiple paths.

[@Waffletigercat]

@@timpize8733 I don't mean the individual levels, I meant the overall game structure being maze-like. I have tried to beat the game without using the level 1 warp many times, and it just keeps going and going and going. I seriously thought there was no other way to reach the final boss. I've gone over 50 levels deep in the game and not reached it any other way.

[@timpize8733]

@@Waffletigercat I understood what you meant, but again no. There are simply a whole lot of levels. 😁 I've just checked, and there are 103 levels apparently. But you can't go through all of them in a single playthrough. Your 50 sound pretty plausible.

[@eoinsmostlybikevideos4519]

I'm sorry Kyle, but clockwork knight 1 and 2 are absolutely core memories for me.

[@hexabear8311]

Kyle, spray some water on your winter backdrop no need to iron this shit haha

[@KyleBosman]

I'm going to try this

[@Butwhythough881]

Out of all of Sega’s IPs, Sonic is really only one they have where the strength of it comes from the IP itself and its content rather than just “It’s Sega.”

[@Taikomo]

The fact that Sega considers Phantasy Star an active IP made me lose hope. We're really stuck with that New Genesis abomination for the forseeable future, huh.

[@CyclonSilver]

I mean, it is active. The problem is that they still pretend it's one of their biggest moneymakers, even though I'm pretty sure it hasn't been for a few years now.

[@IfYouSeekCaveman]

As someone with a lot of nostalgia for old Sega games like Kid Chameleon, Vectorman, Comix Zone, etc, it was all about the style. The art was so striking and the music was both catchy and atmospheric. The actual game design was just fine except for Comix Zone, which actually sucks.

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

Comix Zone was a good idea if you were allowed to have more than a single life at the start. They did that to give the middle finger to rental outlets. I got into the game though and it's pretty fun. You just need a six button controller for it but that can be mapped to any modern console controller now due to how many buttons we have with them. Making a new Comix Zone should be easy now. Just make a new beat em up with the comic book effects of the Miles Morales Spider-verse movies.

[@ROJM-cc1gp]

@@MacUser2-il2cx They are making a new one. Just not been announced it yet even though they unofficially showed it...

[@FYYTWYFN]

Thats Clockwork Knight, thats an important ip!

[@mish5200]

Great video

[@sufamidan1006]

Clockwork Knight is great Bosman.

[@doesntno]

I can't be the only one who is looking forward to most of those games that are in development right now. The super game isn't one of them. There's a good chance that could fail and tank the company.

[@ROJM-cc1gp]

The super games were JSR and Crazy Taxi. They not mere remakes. Super game is the name of the project.

[@doesntno]

​@@ROJM-cc1gp that gives me relief

[@ROJM-cc1gp]

@@doesntno maybe....depends if you like PSO2 NG if ya dont it wont.

[@JazGalaxy]

@@ROJM-cc1gpno. The super game is not crazy taxi or jet set. These are two completely unrelated things that people are conflating. 1) sega made comments years ago that have nothing to do with the game awards about a “super game” (which is what everyone in the industry is talking about and isn’t much different than games as a service, metaverse and NFTs) and 2) sega is making new big budget entries in its classic franchises which is what the game awards announcement is about. The two things aren’t the same.

[@ROJM-cc1gp]

@@JazGalaxy SEGA never said that stop lying or you would have given a link. I can easily prove what SEGA actually said about the project which JSR and CT are a part of. Its the same thing of a massive project which includes super games, reboots, remakes and updates/sequels which is what they mean by new era. So go take your tantrum somewhere else.

[@RealJeffTidwell]

This is, the story of a game… Called Kid Chameleon 2. I waited 30 years to get it… And now it’s here 😌😌😌😌

[@TrooperSixtyFour]

i hope the super game doesnt completely fail leaving sega to collapse like embracer after its failed investment but theres such a strong possibility it will

[@CyclonSilver]

Sega is this really weird amalgamation of really good and incomprehensibly bad decisions. Like buying Atlus, was genius. PSO2 (the original), was genius. Streets of Rage 4 and Sonic Mania, were amazing. Giving the Yakuza team carte blanche and money, was surprisingly wise. Yet they also constantly fuck up everything. They're just really weird like that, and it's really difficult to predict what they'll do next. What I will say is that the Sega of old has been gone for over two decades by now, so I really doubt this IP "revival" initiative will work. It's as Kyle said, I don't think they understand what made these games good, and I think they're relying on people they outsource to to figure it out instead, which would be... daring, I guess ?

[@SodaPopBot]

Like a dragon 8 already serves as a super game in my book, with all its variety. But every company wants that Fortnite growth-pie 💀

[@edgesdragon888]

In the comments section of another video about SEGA reviving past IP I said the d-tier games aren't exciting at all (Eternal Champions) yet I wouldn't mind seeing a remaster of Clockwork Knight with its charm and whimsy.

[@Chalk0073]

Golden Axe is a classic

[@AltamishM]

+1

[@Walt_Chocolate]

Wow, hearing about the super game makes me feel like I'm hearing about the Super Saiyan for the first time. It's so mystifying yet silly.

[@filipmartinez1162]

I would take a new 3D VectorMan over a Shinobi, Golden Axe or Comix Zone Reboot any day.