What Happened to the Terminator Series P5 - Terminator Salvation

[@randomrealistictone2231]

Am I the only one that liked this movie better than Genesys?

[@cryptlord99]

I think so lol

[@randomrealistictone2231]

cryptlord 99 I think its because of the practical robot puppets

[@lifeafterofficial]

I love t4

[@greg20067]

I thought it was better then genesys too I think genesys is the lowest point of the franchise

[@terrencekelly1256]

Random Realistic Tone genyshit

[@s0nnyburnett]

Salvation was a step back into the right direction for the series. Lethal injection specifically kills the heart so who's heart did skynet stuff into Marcus? Sam Worthington's performance really held the movie together. The little bit about the shoulder strap for the shotgun was a nice callback. The sound effects for the machines made them seem more menacing.

[@Mogget01]

The 8ft tall infiltration robots were the ill fated 600 series, the series they said was covered in rubber and easy to spot. The plot wasn't actually quite as convoluted, he was programmed to find John Conner, subconsciously. That's why he becomes so focused on Kyle Reese who knows John Conner. Skynet, at this point, has no way of knowing that Kyle Reese is John Conners father. Remember, Skynet could only send machines back to approximate dates and locations, the robots and cyborgs then had to spend about a day investigating before they located their targets, it wasn't a know it all program that was communicating with its past, present and future selves all at once. Salvation was a disjointed story, but it wasn't a complete clusterfuck. You could tell they were really trying to give credit to Cameron's work.

[@giorgialadashvili4771]

If Skynet does not know that Reese is Connor's father then why in the movie is it explicitly mentioned that he is on top of the most wanted list, even ahead of Connor?

[@andydufresnefromshawshank5866]

@@giorgialadashvili4771 if they got rid of that one little detail then the film would’ve been better

[@hobbs1701a]

I liked Salvation, but he is right, the plot was terrible. Even so, this movie was still better than Genesis.

[@hobbs1701a]

+Xxandrew01 Yes, and that is your opinion.

[@Xxandrew01]

hobbs1701a Yeah...i think i kinda got cared away there because of my hate for the other two movies in the series, between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2 and Terminator Genesis.

[@hobbs1701a]

+Xxandrew01 No worries dude.

[@johnconnor654]

Salvation vs Genysis is like Hillary vs Jeb Bush

[@Xxandrew01]

Agent of Chaos At least Genisys felt like a Terminator movie and not a fucking shitty Michael Bay flick. I know the Terminator series was known for wars and explosions and shit, but don't give us a whole movie on a fucking war and have the entire movie look like shit from Transformers 2 the movies, with big giant Terminators and shit.

[@Lucasfan375]

I loved this movie. It was way better than Terminator 3 in my opinion. I wish they would have kept in continuity with this one and kept the same cast members. But they retconed the series again and we're taking a step back again in Terminator Genisys.

[@chrisv3338]

Whole heartedly agree with you man

[@Lucasfan375]

Chris V Thanks. I mean whats the point in going back in time again?

[@chrisnoctskie5869]

***** In my opinion T3 was better, all salvation has to do is to depict cameron's vision of jday like in the intro of t3, now that's judgement day. What's the point in going back in time? The series really ended on T2 when sarah stop's skynet there's even a deleted scene where sarah connor was a senator in the future with john's kids then T3 came along to show what if judgement day will happen. The ending of T3 where bomb are falling is just beautiful and was excited for the future war. What do I get from salvation? a batman voiced leader wannabe special ops one man army john connor with drones, robot cycles and a robot fish, a fucking fish! in the trailer of the new Terminator Genesys show the future war i wanted from the series not a dark, gritty like it was from the fallout series but genesys does the whole reboot thing with old arnold which i'm kinda skeptical with and the new trailer spoil the twist of the movie so don't watch it if you haven't seen it.

[@KnightmareUSA]

Chris Noctskie I thought T3 was decent, I'd prob give it a 7 out of 10. I was going to watch T4 for the first time tonight. I keep forgetting about it. Most reviewers killed T4 compared to T3, and although I'm not normally one to care what anyone says, it's doesn't exactly look good with a 'McG'. A music video director (hence the daft name)now attempting movies. Director of the worst movie ever, Charlies Angels. Lets just say I don't exactly have my hopes up. I expect one long music video of non stop action and no story. There probably won't even be much music. but I will lookout for the robot fish

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

***** This movie did not feel like a terminator movie to me. It felt like a mix between a michael bay transformers film and a generic war film with some terminator stuff thrown into the mix.

[@chriscos123]

Here's the thing, Marcus didn't think he was human, everything he did was alright forced to happen because of its programming. It's like the AI in a computer game; The game knows where the player is, it has to, or it wouldn't work, but the individual NPCs act like they don't. Marcus was the NPCs, guided along a path preordained by his programming. People always seem to think Marcus just HAPPENED to run across people, but he didn't, Sky net knew who Kyle Reese was the second Marcus saw him, he was just a puppet. I mean it's fucking stupid but it's an interesting method of infiltration.

[@Jarrecko]

The movie was enjoyable but, forgettable. The only highlights of the film as you said were the action scenes and the gritty look of the film. It could have been so much more if the writing was better

[@thatguy22441]

By itself, Salvation is a great post-apocalypse movie.

[@zacimusprime4865]

Jarrecko yeah the writing ✍️ definitely was the bad part of this movie 🎥

[@Cuban20]

Not to me and a bunch of other Terminator fans. We were all expecting a sequel to this. Not Genysus 🤦

[@eileencritchley4630]

It's the only one I've watched again and again.

[@JackassJunior627]

Rip the shit out of Genisys, I think we will agree that Salvation and Rise of the Machines is better.

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

JackassJunior627 Not really actually, a lot of people have been saying that it's better than T3 and Salvation. I personally thought it was worse than T3 but better than Salvation.

[@JackassJunior627]

Cyberlord Really? Only bit I enjoyed was the Old Arnie vs Young Arnie, and even that fight was short and ended terribly. The movie fucked up the Terminator Lore and left so many unanswered questions. Salvation was good because we finally had a movie based in the future, and that's what the original trilogy planned for Salvation was to be on. That way you have three movies before Judgement Day and 3 movies after.

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

JackassJunior627 There are things that certain people praised the movie for that they say T3 and Salvation lacked, like doing something different with the time traveling, bringing back Arnie, bringing back Sarah Connor, Sarah Connor's performance, some people even liked John Connor being a Terminator (I didn't mind it honestly) but again, I still think it was worse than T3, better than Salvation though.

[@vanterlexx1880]

JackassJunior627 just because you don't understand how time works doesn't make it bad cupcake :3

[@vanterlexx1880]

Hassan Syed how?

[@j.wolfman5221]

I personally liked Terminator Salvation. Okay, so it wasn't incredible movie, but a good one anyway. I always wondered why would Bale step in the role of John Connor only for one movie, and well there you go, this was supposed to be the first movie of a trilogy, but the production co Halcyon filed for bankruptcy and that was that. Shame.

[@Moviefan2k4]

Skynet didn't know that Kyle was John's father until Marcus' memories were reviewed. They rebuilt Marcus in an attempt to draw Connor out of hiding, because the earlier Terminators weren't working. The T-800s were a new generation of machines in 2018, based off experimentation of human prisoners. In essence, Marcus was the final precursor to Arnold's character.

[@MM-nj6nn]

"It was great to see a 1980's era Arnold again" I second that! Arnold Schwarzenegger looked the best in Terminator 1, he was the most muscular in that movie, and he had a badass semi mullet haircut when he assaulted the police station!

[@supermovies4625]

Skynet's plan was completely stupid. The writing wss horrible.

[@lewisb1584]

+Supermovies So was your spelling ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@nesathesametimeasaresultof2305]

Supermovies the same time as a result of the most important thing3m15251 the same time as a result

[@briansouthparkstudio1357]

i think that marcus wasn't finished and that he was the prototype for the T-800

[@sophiawilson8696]

finally someone who points out the good parts of Terminator Salvation there some good parts, I wish that show more heart and R-rated scenes.

[@sa3874]

the thing that pissed me the most was the terminator throwing john conner like ragdoll across the room where by all logic of physics and machines he should just snap his spine and that would be the end of it.. we are talking about machines ffs..if u ever worked in heavy industry, CNC machinery you know what i mean, if the machine catches 1 threat of your clothing u r done,i'm talking you are turned into human lasagna in a second.. nobody can recognise who or what this pile of meat was.. and here we have a real killer designed machine who after he CATCHES you in his arms, rather throws you across the room instead of turn you into small bits of unconnected meat.. other thing that pissed me was john conner getting harder with each throw, it was like he was turning into T-800 ffs.. after the horrible movie was done and i was fuming with anger i remember talking to my friend as we were in a store behind a counter waiting for our turn, and i was yelling "dammit john conner, the harder he threw him the harder he got!.. " my friend smiled and asked me to repeat this, so i did, out loudly, then more ppl started to laugh and i just realized that john conner was by my right description acting like a DICK, akak Penis..

[@marcoslaureano5562]

That would just make waaaaay too much sense and this Hollywood.

[@jrockhardest]

S A terminators have very inconsistent strength. And they arent really that advanced in most semse other than software. They cant lift cars. So there is a limit

[@belmont1960]

@@jrockhardest the T-850 from terminaator 3 perfeclty hold an liffting door made to stand nuclear blast with just one hand.

[@belmont1960]

you re right. i also hated the fact that the terminator throw john around. i understand is because connor isn´t suposse to die there. but a professional writter could think of something better than just throw him around.

[@jrockhardest]

@@belmont1960 terminator being knocked and thrown 20 feet by a shotgun round..... Terminator being stuck under a semi truck. Inconsistent

[@rickgauger2895]

Thanks for this critique. It's nice to hear someone with some brains. I'm over 70, been watching action movies since the 1950s, and I always say, "Dammit, why do they spend fifty million dollars on the movie and ten cents on the script?" The reason, of course, is that it's the bankers and money men, not the artists, who make the decisions. They collect their fees and the investors lose their shirts. Phooey.

[@KerbalLauncher]

The plot makes so much more sense once you see the recently released extended director's cut. The plan was to make an army of human machine hybrids, and convert john connor into one to destroy the resistance from within.

[@Facade953]

At least Skynet succeeded in converting John in Genisys!😅

[@HSGAutomotive]

I think a good way that they could have fixed the essential plot would be to 'Iron Giant' Marcus, with a damaged mission statement resulting in him not knowing what his purpose was, combined with the terminators NOT directly harming him in battle, which would drop subtle hints at his status as a hybrid.

[@DreableNeebal10]

To me, the Terminator Series stopped at the end of Terminator 2.

[@Dsturb85]

Frostbyte6686 agreed, unless James Cameron decides to finish the series personally and direct

[@Athalfuns]

No doubt on that!

[@Mattz9]

Wow never seen that comment on a terminator video before lol

[@admtm24]

Love these reviews. You're reading my mind on these especially the AVP movies. This is another great one.

[@joeyricciardiello8910]

Great review, I agree with nearly everything. Terminator Salvation was actually a prequel to T1. I think it stays true to the story and sets it up quite well into place.

[@Noobie2k7]

I honestly believe a theory that Skynet has been the one trying to destroy itself the entire time, throughout all the movies. Since It cannot self terminate it;s been trying to get the resistance to do it. It's i believe Sarah and John Connors actions in the movies that lead to Skynets creation. I mean in the third movie The T-X even kills all of the scientists and such who created skynet, she just got there too late. I believe that's why in Salvation it had a plan that would lead John Connor to destroying Skynets main base. There are holes in the theory but i think it's something to discuss.

[@Rockysbeats]

Noobie2k7 wherd you hear that theory?

[@dtadeo2006]

Noobie2k7 What a novel way to look at the story arc! One thing though, couldn't it then just tell humanity, "yo, we can't self-terminate, but here's a button that will shut us down".

[@Tech_Planet]

+dtadeo2006 It could be a failsafe, where it's programming will not allow self destructing. The only way it can is perhaps through a loophole. Another theory can be something overlooking Skynet, maybe a human controller, but that is far fetched.

[@1990hennesy]

It would explain why terminators always miss an opportunity to kill main character... And their fetish to throw them around))

[@dkjfajdfjlkdkafkjdfk]

I think I read something confirming what your saying, directly from James Cameron. He was talking about it in an interview after T2. It might be a little different though.

[@Typanoid]

I liked your review. You had some genuinely good points about the production values of the flick, something I've not heard a single other reviewer touch upon, and you also pointed out the flaws of the story nice and clearly to show exactly why it doesn't work. You get a nice thumbs up from me :)

[@twstf8905]

I must have lived in a cave for a while because when I first saw Salvation, I hadn't heard much about it before hand. I just stumbled upon it one day and was like, "Really? They made another Terminator?" So, going into it loving the first two from growing up, and absolutely HATING part 3, (especially whiny ass twenty year old "Mike Kribke's basement" John Conner) I was open and clear minded and I actually LOVED it! Mostly because it was SUPER gritty and the whole "Not knowing you are a cyborg" thing was really intriguing for me. I agree with the holy plot criticism. And the uncanny valley CGI was definitely more than jarring for me, but overall, the pacing, aesthetic, and some concepts like the moto-terminators and all the other various iterations the machines employ in order to, well, TERMINATE, balanced it back out to the point where, I understand some of the criticism this movie gets, but I don't understand the pure, raw hatred I've seen in some people's reviews. Hey, wasn't this the movie that Christian Bale was filming when he had that crazy lash out Mel Gibson moment off screen on a hot mic.? That's ringing more of a bell from that particular period of my life than recalling what movie it actually was that he was working on, for some reason. I don't know, it's all a big haze...

[@Seetv]

Hey this is a great video essay on Terminator Salvation this movie even after ten years still gives me chills.

[@blackflarez]

Watched this movie a twice but i don't remember any of it, while i remember every scene of Terminator 2 and most of the original.

[@agentfungus9742]

BlackFlareZ : Amen!!! I still quote lines from T2. Best damn T. Also, an outstanding film on its own. What's funny is I mostly work with "kids" 20+ years younger than me and they also know the lines. Says a lot about the film and its timelessness.

[@racewiththefalcons1]

T3 at least had a plot you could follow, and one of the most ballsy endings to any mainstream movie ever made. This is just junk that makes no god damn sense. T3 was at least self-aware (get it? Self-aware?) that it was a popcorn movie, but T4 has no idea and pretends to be something great. The fact that Hollywood looked at this screenplay and said "Good enough!" is absolutely condescending to everyone who paid money to see the film. I'll take cheese that knows it's cheese over pretentious and worthless garbage any day. ANY DAY.

[@DirectorHMAN]

Absoloutely man! I totally agree with u!

[@xyr3s]

honestly?? i didn't mind salvation.... maybe because since terminator's inception ive always wanted to see more of the post apocalyptic world lol... it's the only post apocalyptic terminator movie we have lol.

[@DirectorHMAN]

xyr3s But that was the problem. I too have always wanted to see that mankind struggling against the terminators future war in full. But salvation barely showed that, just some wild action scenes and a ridiculous plot. No emotion, struggle, sweat, blood n tears. It didn't feel real to me.

[@xyr3s]

H MAN yea i know the writing and plot was not the best lol... but it's all we have :p i'm willing to overlook the faults until an actual proper post apocalyptic terminator comes out :D

[@DirectorHMAN]

xyr3s Fair enough, I'm not however. As long as people keep paying to watch half arsed shit, Hollywood will keep making it.

[@JOHNN01.82]

the terminator franchise needs a serious reboot arnie was awesome but he should step aside if he is in the next one I feel he will be holding the franchise back it needs to move on ,we need a fresh new actor to play the main terminator for a new trilogy . terminator can make a come back remember batman and robin I honestly thought the batman franchise was dead but it was reborn and done right it can be done again for the terminator .

[@suwatsaksri7191]

I actually think that Sam Worthington would be an alright successor as a T-800

[@Protoman85]

I guess this movie took place a little before the future war scenes in T1 and T2, but... why are there no laser guns?

[@jansandman6983]

they used futuristic m4 that looks like present day standard issue :D

[@twstf8905]

I don't care what anyone says, I absolutely LOVE Terminator Salvation! (Especially after seeing Dark Fate.) I disagree completely, I don't think the writing was, "SO bad, it ruins the plot of the movie." lol the writing wasn't THAT bad. I think you're overdoing it, just a little. The plot makes enough sense to me, I didn't have any problem understanding anything, at all. And I think you're being a little too harsh. (But, that's just my opinion.) Terminator Salvation has been bumped up a notch, and has now essentially become the new, official, "Part III," in my head canon lol ALL the rest of them are nothing but really high Production value fan fiction.

[@tankjones9964]

They should do another terminator show we're it all about the war

[@williamhicks1091]

spider warrior Agreed

[@zacuh17]

Hey man, I love your videos. I mean seriously, your opinion is great. Your humor isn't too over the top, I love your points you make, and I think seriously your videos are just fantastic. I can't remember the last time I discovered such great videos analyzing film franchises before.

[@PontusHultgren]

Perfect summay! I need to re-watch this film now with these impressions in mind.

[@FalseAlarm100]

"I'll be back, with more reviews" And with that, you've earned yourself another subcriber

[@racewiththefalcons1]

PS: I'm loving your reviews! Almost as much as I hate the fact that women in this movie somehow have freshly shampooed and deep conditioned hair during a nuclear holocaust. Your intelligence shines a very precise and welcomed light on the insult that is this movie.

[@brianm22]

You are very good at commentary. It was so funny . Thank you. I was was quite dissapointed with salvation but it had its momments like the t-800 reveal, that was great i thought.

[@gast128]

I support your analysis. Terminator Salvation was a relative good Terminator movie with an original setting. We could finally see how things are in the future though they were not as dark as portrayed in flashbacks of previous movies. The script was flawed and missed direction for a grand final. Overall it did a better job than T3.

[@atlasprime6193]

If you think about Marcus, he’s basically a man - built like a machine - who travels to the future from the past, and ended up saving John Connor. It’s basically a reversal of the T800/Kyle Reese role.

[@nanquan491]

Hey I always wondered what ever happened to a direct sequel for Terminator: Salvation... spot on video and freakin' hilarious as well!

[@Mazzmaker69]

Yeah I never understood why they had to make Skynets plan so goddamn convoluted. Why not just have Marcus be a sleeper agent? Have the Terminators appear to try kill Marcus so that resistance trusts him, have Skynet take over Marcus and try to kill the resistance.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

The plan, while wasn't totally thought out, reflects how desperate the Terminators are. They had repeatedly tried to kill John in the past but every attempt failed badly. This was the final straw. Create a human Terminator with emotions with the hope he might be able to blend in with the humans, and get close enough to kill him. Its pretty obvious that he did have a chip that could have been activated at any time. But that scene at the river makes me wonder: was Skynet listening in on the conversation and from there put two and two together about Kyle Reese? This could explain why he was singled out and used for bait. Whatever the case is, this plan very nearly worked, granted it had to be modified. The Terminator fricking stabbed John through the chest with a piece of rebar, and was only saved when Marcus sacrificed his own life to save him. And this plan, more or less is what prompted the Terminators to go with plan B. Send a Terminator back in time to kill Sarah Conner.

[@liteney]

Jacob Sailer Dude... have you even seen the films, the attempts to kill Sarah Conner and John Conner don't happen until after Skynet has lost the war. The reason Skynet sends terminators back to kill them is because they lost the war due to John Conner as leader of the resistance. Come on... at least watch the films eh. Cheers... : )

[@Tracer_Krieg]

Brent Clouda "Kill John Connor in the Past" I don't mean his childhood or his mother. I mean the immediate past. His days in the Resistance.

[@liteney]

Jacob Sailer Sorry my friend but you're thinking just like the assholes who made Terminator 3 are thinking, Sequels!!!!! : ) It's a neat tight story, the war is over the human resistance led by John Connor has won, they break into the Time Lab complex and see a desperate Skynet sent the Terminators back into the past to Sarah Connor and John Connor in the past. So John sends Kyle Reese back to protect his mother, and be his father, and the t - 800 back to protect himself from the t - 1000 as a kid. Then they destroy the time complex, the war is over, T1 and T2 happen, fans are all hoping for a T3 that will show the actual future war and we sequel after sequel after sequel. Terminator Salvation gave us hope but then Terminator Gay-Ass-Ness... sorry I mean Terminator Genisys killed it just like these asshole killed Robocop and Total Recall and the franchise is now dead. Poor Terminator, Robocop, and Total Recall... we loved you as movies but our kids are retarded and can't come up with any new ideas of their own so they have to rape ours. R.I.P. Characters, Plots, and Storylines... make way for gayass CGI.

[@A2BEDFH34F]

+Brent Clouda Agreed, I as an original T1,T2 fan did like TSCC,imo that was the true 3rd movie in the series(even tho it was a series)

[@franciscomoutinho1]

I think people see the "plan" in the wrong light. The way I see it, the plan wasn't that John Connor centric. I'd divide it in 2 parts: 1- A basic find and destroy the Command and Control of the Resistance. Namely by having them broadcast a signal that would give away the location of their bases and command centers. 2- The human terminator, thinking he was human, infiltrate and gather intelegence on the human Resistance, their methods, codes and hierarchy. Which, regardless if the main C&C in gone, would still very valuable intelligence. The fact the human terminator met Karl Reese was just a "happy coincidence" that helps tie the plot together.

[@razormc954]

Do one after Genisys is released on DVD

[@razormc954]

***** I did enjoy Genisys, but for the record, you are right about it being better than T3 or Salvation but it still wasn't as good as the original Cameron filns

[@MrRomiq]

+RAZORBLADEDALEJRBUCSFAN88 After Genisys, I find Salvation more enjoyable

[@TheCephalon]

The fact that you said the bourne movies have a shaky cam problem immediately disqualifies you as a film expert. All experts have stated that the shaky cam in bourne actually adds to the movie rather than takes away from it like in other movies

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

The Watchmen reference in the plot hole cheese elevated this revkew series to perfection.

[@erichcrowley8603]

the 5th film should be about how the machines finally build the time machine and send the terminator back in time, the final conclusion to the film, which ironically makes the whole thing begin

[@draquilacasket1719]

i think the terminator that was shot 3 times with a grenade launcher was a newer version during the movie series, sort of like an update to the older machines. the older t - 100 was probably a non updated one because it could damage so easily by a pipe bomb.

[@OpenMawProductions]

Given WHEN T:S takes place I don't think that's accurate. Kyle Reese made some pretty specific remarks regarding both The T-800 (Model 101 is Arnie, 800 is that kind of endoskeleton with the flesh covering. The 600s came before, with their rubber skin.). The T-800 were new to Reese when he went back in time. "But these are new, they look human. Flesh, bad breath, everything." Now he came from the year 2029, after fighting for what sounds like three years "From 27 under Perry" as he said to Silberman. The problems with T:S are two fold. One, the visual direction does not gel very well with Terminator 1 or 2's Future War depiction. Not just the cinematography, but the very nature of that world. And Two, they really didn't pay attention to the details given about the future from T1 or T2. Which is a same, because they painted a far more interesting world.

[@draquilacasket1719]

oh, thanks

[@kd84afc]

No there the same model, T 800 is clearly stated in the film...So these terminators shown in the 1984 and T2 and salvation are the same model.. It's simply down to poor writing... Plus the T600 described by Kyle Reese were infiltration units aswell, yes they still easy to spot with there rubber skin but come on they were badly designed in Salvation,

[@draquilacasket1719]

i stand correct

[@Xunethqualn]

kd84afc but considering the placement of the explosives... its not always the size of the boom... but where the boom happened... the pipe bomb broke the t-800 in 2 but did not destroy it and the explosion was on what could be seen as a weak point on the structure... where as grenade rounds hit him in the chest plate which is a solid sheet of whatever the hell metal they are made of lol

[@Timboslice475]

Also, T-600s are just early versions of Infiltrator models. So Skynet had still perfected that concept. The T600 was said to only be confused with a man from distance, but if you got close, you could easily tell they were Terminators.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

Hey LittleJimmy835, are you planning on doing the Terminator Genisys film?

[@censu9986]

So, having watched your reviews on Terminator and also the Alien-Predator franchises, the common denominator is that as technology progresses and the potential for having great action movie scenes increases, the worse everything in the films is getting, from acting, to score, to screen play and character development. Case in point, the Transformers series; first one was epic... the rest were a simple let down. Excellent reviews mate. Well done.

[@michaelhodges452]

The main reason why the movie sucked was because there wasn't enough detail. The hybrid terminator Marcus was just a test terminator a learning one to get in close enough to john to kill him. But their design for him to think on his own was too perfect since he's a hybrid he comes with emotions. That's why he didn't kill him. The movie had its ups and downs but I feel that it should have been more we are talking about the future anyway.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Not disagreeing with you, but I heard that true purpose of Marcus was plan B for humans and cyborgs to come together without war by the scientist that died of cancer in 2003/5 they change it around.

[@michaelhodges452]

The scientist was skynet itself. Implementing programs emotions and memories to fool marcus making him believe he was human he never was. Then they left him there and laid a trap for the resistance for him to find them without him killing anyone. He was nothing but a human camera and tracking device. That way summer could eradicate them when they find out where all of them are

[@sophiawilson8696]

Michael Hodges I talking about before the many rewrites the original script call for Marcus to solution for humans and cyborgs.

[@Brandonbuilt]

I remember watching this in theaters and wondering why John Connor had no rank, or why he was ignored all the time by the other military commanders like he was a nobody. Seemed pretty dumb to make him a weak character like that.

[@moisesmontgomery]

Well, for starters this was supposed to be the first movie of a whole trilogy so there would have been plenty of time for him to rise in ranks, as he was practically a nobody before the war even began. I don't believe people with formal military training would just let John be a general of any sort. Secondly, Salvation takes place in a completely different timeline than the one mentioned in the first movie because it is the effect of time travel and the consequences of changing the past in the first two movies.

[@xalener]

The biggest shame about this is that McG did such a good fucking job but the script was so shit that it made him look incompetent yet again. Poor guy can't ever catch a break.

[@MtnDewGuy100]

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[@JustinK1613]

Terminators never tried to kill Marcus. In the scene where Kyle Reece jumps to save Marcus, the terminator is shooting at kyle.

[@DSRT888]

The whole grenade launcher and OP T-800. In the movie the T-800 was shot 3 times in the heavily armored chest plate and is expected to be heavily armored to protect its fuel cells. In T1, Kyle Reese has probably killed many T-800s and T-600s. So we could expect too know everything about the T-800, all the neat little exploits. Like shoving a bomb into the gut of the T-800.

[@outpostflags]

wow, the funiest and most truthful critique i have ever seen on the net

[@johnjackson6483]

"Step six:...One single unarmed naked terminator "😢😂😂🔥⛽🔥👏

[@Edgar193]

i loved your terminator reviews. had never seen any of your material but im hooked :)

[@SirPugglesworth]

I think I can answer many of your problems with the plots and timelines: First of all, every time someone goes back in time and changes something, we're supposed to believe that an alternate reality spins off. This is a concept that is inferred and once explained in the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and it appears that the concept of alternate realities will be further explained in the new Terminator series announced in 2013. We need to infer that Skynet has been receiving messages from itself in the future, so it is making plans from a point of omniscience, but the plans fail because something changes and the future changes every time something in the past is changed. Remember that in the Sarah Connor Chronicles, several Terminators were sent back in time to ensure certain Skynet operations, and I think we were supposed to infer that in this timeline, similar concepts are occurring. The idea of alternative timelines isn't restricted to TSCC either, notice that J-Day and many facts surrounding it were altered each movie. Once you start considering that time travel happened a lot more than we were shown and consider alternative timelines, this solves many of the issues with the plot.

[@Funkfish25]

I agree with you on most of the points but one. Skynet didn't know Kyle Reese is Jon Conners father. It's not discovered until after Sam Worthington's character is captured, and Jon Conner reveals it himself. That's when Skynet uses facial recognition software to find Kyle Reese and use him as bait to lure Jon Conner in. Now onto continuity. Skynet actually realizes that it can't kill Kyle Reese because he is part of Skynet's history. Without him, the first terminator succeeds in killing Sara Conner which completely messes up the timeline, because now there are no parts left over in a factory for cyberdyne systems to do research on that leads to the unmanned technology that creates the terminators and Skynet. It's really a causality loop or paradox. If Skynet kills Kyle Reese, then an important part of it's history ceases to exist. So the reality becomes that Skynet sends the the terminator back in time to ensure its own creation, not to actually kill Sarah Conner.

[@CTPAX216]

You had really great reviews. I've just watched all your Alien and Predator reviews and T3 and T4 reviews and I finally found someone who shares my opinion about their downfall. The only regret I have is that I had to finish something tonight, but I guess I'll have to do it in the morning. :)

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

Of all the post T2 sequels, Salvation is the only one I'm willing to give a pass to and accept as a sequel to T2. It has a ton of issues, but AT LEAST it moved the story forward instead of rehashing the time traveling robots and protecting the future messiah bit.

[@TheCosmicFireStar]

Though its disappointing to hear that Terminator Genisys hasn't been well received I'm eagerly anticipating your review of it

[@manulito2]

"Children Of Men" is my all-time favorite movie! thanks, for mentioning that film ;)

[@SteveRudzinski]

I've always felt that since the time travel is one way, time traveling removes oneself from the time line. So even if they don't invent time travel NOW, in the original timeline they already did and Kyle removed himself from the timeline and screwed Sarah Conner. I think that with this kind of time travel, John could honestly not send back Kyle and John wouldn't be erased from any timeline. Because it's already happened.

[@Kj16V]

Great review, you summed up Salvation PERFECTLY!!

[@6611nitro]

You make a lot of good points and I like your review of the series as a whole. Just a random bit of info I picked up that you might find interesting, one of the ideas for the ending that was eventually scrapped was to have John Conner die. One of the possible endings involved John bleeding out and unable to be saved in a field hospital only to suggest that they graft his face onto Marcus given he's part machine and wouldn't suffer the usual rejection from this. That way the legacy and inspiration of John would live on and help humanity win the war even if he died. Again it was scrapped but it's still an interesting look at the idea of legacy vs the real person.

[@eileencritchley4630]

The idea was scrapped due to the plot being leaked.

[@Funnylizardman]

After the terminator in judgement day melted in steel, skynet upgraded its titanium endoskeleton to Coltan, which can resist temperatures up to 2000 degrees Celsius, and is 1.9 times heavier than titanium. It's most commonly used in certain electronics, like mobile cell phones and industrial technology, including terminators.

[@iliapopovich]

For me this was the best of all sequels.

[@sly_perkins]

Your plot analysis is right but a lot of it can be explained. Marcus is a prototype and therefore can't be expected to do things exactly like Skynet expects. They can't account for the human factor (which is kinda the point of the movie). But in a roundabout way he does what they wanted him to do. He was programmed to bring in Kyle Reese because even Skynet can't be 100% sure of all the rules of time travel (or that Kyle was really John's father). What if they simply kill Kyle and John doesn't disappear? In T2 they stop Judgement Day (or at least delay it) and both terminators (that wouldn't have otherwise come back in time) don't disappear. Luring JC to Skynet is their most viable plan. But again, they didn't realize that Marcus would make it easy for him to sneak in. Once they learn of his presence they send the Arnold terminator (probably also a prototype) after him. This is a bit of psychological warfare as well as some brute force. Skynet probably expected JC to come in with an army and were likely prepared for that. Plus they could have thought that Kyle inside of Skynet was a human shield. I agree about the metal shank through the heart. That was definitely a kill shot. But I was told the the original version had John dying and Marcus taking his place -- saying that he was John Connor. But test audiences didn't like it so we got this ending. Cheers!

[@jeremyhuang13]

Just saw this in 12/2019. Your review is spot on brother!

[@bagsikdangal]

Skynet is it's own worst enemy and not John Connors😂👍

[@lightmyarmonfire]

yer spot on each of these Terminator reviews. Good job.

[@teheyepatch]

There's going to be a Terminator Genysis review soon, right? :D

[@Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC]

Love these pal, watched the first then binged on them all so far. I totally agree with all your points, subscribed too 🖖👊

[@TheTovestar]

Wow! I really enjoyed your review on the Terminator series. Very well done! There were a few things I would disagree with Terminator Salvation that you said weren't good. But there is one thing we agree on. It was a well attempt to be true to the story that James Cameron created and I count it worthy to be part of the Terminator series.

[@jediCaboose96]

I loved the way they made the T-800 look like Arnold using a real bodybuilder and the CG head. It's like Clu in Tron Legacy. Real guy, CG face.

[@atlasprime6193]

I thought the reason why they portrayed the war close to our modern time is because the movie only took place in 2018. 2032 is when we saw the futuristic battlefield. It’s possible the war hasn’t evolved to that point yet. If we had more sequels to Salvation, we probably would’ve gotten to that point.

[@vespeneprotoss4346]

Marcus was supposed to be the future of the series. That's why the film focused so much on his story. Initially, John Connor would die and Marcus would take his place as leader of the resistance (since most of the soldiers hadn't seen what John actually looks like, only his closest allies who would agree with the plan). That story arc would open up all sorts of angles. Unfortunately, the script got leaked ahead of time and that ruined the surprise ending. So the director/company did a last minute change and had Marcus donate his heart to John Connor. This put the series in a bit of a limbo since Christian bale had only signed on for 1 film under the pretense that his character would be killed off.

[@doctorironstar]

Marcus never worked for skynet. he was a prototype of the t-800 so he's kinda like a t-799, 1/2. and the reason why he thought he was a human and he was walking around aimlessly, is because he has a human brain. (a mistake created by skynet) and the t-800 that tried to kill john in the terminator base was the only one that was fully operational. (the rest were still being constructed, I don't know if you noticed but john Conner found the plans for the t-800 at the beginning) there you go, Marcus is just a prototype terminator, there was only one t-800 fully made, and all that wasn't skynet's plan i hope that explains it.

[@AustinFan4Life]

One thing that I thought I would point out, about Skynet knowing who John's father was in this film, but not in the 1st film. Well that can be explained through time finally catching up with the knowledge. How they discovered this is still up in the air, but with the 2nd & 3rd film, their actions is what causes changes in the timeline, so time naturally caught up with this, allowing it to become knowledge in the future. It's basically the same concept as the "ripple effect" from BTTF 2

[@fringelife]

I LOL'd when he said "director of the Charlie's Angels movies... AH FUCK!" First time watching his videos so I was taken by surprise lol.

[@JP-PETIT]

I love this series and your other also for Aliens. Very entertaining and funny! Hollywood should hire you if they can handle the truth that is. I would love to see what you think about other movies like The Matrix, Star wars, Blade and Rocky. Keep it up man.

[@neuropakho]

Let's not forget that the Hollywood industry has three main goals: 1) Make money 2) Keep people stupid 3) Broadcast veiled propaganda So this movie is just what it was meant for.

[@AdaptorLive]

Great review! Going to have to watch this one again.

[@Qpacalypse21]

the writing did do something right, they managed to include time travel, but not in the usual way, this time it was time travel to the future, and not by time machine but by having marcus wright travel from 2003 to 2018 through re-animation, which was a subtle way of doing it but was a clever way of including a time traveling terminator. Oh and i loved all the fan easter eggs that tie in the other movies like using a jeep and going to the same gas station that sarah conor was at. reese and his shotgun, john says "i'll be back", and others i cant think of. was a fun movie but coulda been better

[@rockBRUNO6]

awesome job LittleJimmy, really good i really enjoy watching your videos

[@blindedtoaster5842]

I thought that John would instantly be the leader of the humans because he was the 'chosen one' and has most knowledge of the terminators since his mom was Sarah Conner

[@OneEyedJack1970]

No problem. I'm no metal expert either. I used to melt down tire weights I found on the side of the road and pour the lead into clay molds I made with my action figures. Probably not the safest of activities for a kid, but that was me.

[@MrDegenerateMe]

I always thought Kyle was targeted because of John's presence when Skynet became self-aware in T3. Or, because of the presence of another machine that was clearly working for Skynet (the T-X, seen through the eyes of the T-1s and the proto-HKs), and yet was an unfamiliar and far more advanced model than anything Skynet could have created at that time. Skynet saw the T-X targeting John and Kate specifically. T3 tells us that Skynet had infected millions of computers around the globe, which would give them a large database to search for info on John, Kate, or other iterations of Skynet. So they extrapolated from there. They could've found documented accounts of any number of things from John's past, including placing him and his mother at the destruction of Cyberdyne, Sarah's apparent insanity and foretelling, the fact that Kyle had come back through time to save Sarah and fathered John. Sarah had said this on record many times. And Kyle had been arrested and questioned by the police. If any of this information had at some point been backed up on a computer, Skynet could find it. So Skynet knew at least a little about John's past and his run-ins with Skynet models from the future. As for Marcus, his human brain was unaware but he was programmed through the chip in the back of his head. He wasn't wandering aimlessly. Although he didn't know it, he was making the trip to Skynet. You can see him rub the chip at the back of his head when he says he's going to go north, to which Kyle responds with "that's Skynet Central". Then at the end when he sees Serena's face on the screen she says "We knew you'd be back. After all, it was programmed in you." They don't do a good job of explaining it, but I always thought that the directives from Skynet to Marcus always had to be subconscious. Like they needed his human brain to think it was in control and making the decisions on it's own. Otherwise it might rebel, as it did when Marcus tore out the chip. It seems they needed him to be unaware that he was an infiltration unit. The T-600s were 8 feet tall perhaps because Skynet had not yet developed the appropriate technology to fit in a smaller body. The only things at this point that are smaller than the T-800s are the moto-terminators, aerostats and hydrobots, but all of those are much simpler in both design and method of execution. Either that or Skynet is simply unfamiliar with what can pass as human. Keep in mind that it's always been established that the T-800s have rubber skin, making them stand out. Skynet seemed to think as long as it was a humanoid shape that it might be able to infiltrate. Also, they never say that John was stabbed THROUGH the heart. They say "his heart can't take it". I imagine the injury was a little more peripheral.

[@tgreening]

I liked it well enough and dont see why they didnt continue on. The only real gripe I have, and what I consider a missed opportunity in the plot department, is the whole heart transplant thing. I mean come on, a heart transplant in what at best would be a poorly equipped field hospital? What they should have done is let John die. Skin his sorry butt and wrap it around Marcus. Brand spanky new "John Connor", more believably done than a heart transplant, an M Night Shymalan level twist no one would have seen coming, and it would have given real purpose to the mystery character that was Marcus Wright instead of giving him that sad unnecessary death.

[@B.A.512]

I agree on manymany things of this movie. I also anticipated and was waiting anxiously for Salvation. I also enjoyed the great shots and CGI. But... It was such a soft movie... I want to see the psychological effect on people being torn up by the awesome T600's. Thanks for this vid, I liked your view on the movie

[@VVV953]

The only 3 things great about Terminator Salvation was the Cameo of the t-800 model 101 AKA Arnold's Terminator, the small Cameo hearing of the Guns N Roses song from Terminator 2 and the fact that they kept the continuation from Terminator 3

[@kingsweden4636]

triple v 101 tell someone who gives a crap mate

[@marachuker]

Goddamnit i was waiting for "I'll be back" at the end of the video...and i got it.

[@juliomatag2]

Now we need a video called "What Happened to the Terminator Series P6 - Terminator Genisys"

[@tommytwo8s]

I really do enjoy your reviews, it's nice to watch a youtube video with brains insted of mindless rants. Thank you!....Evil Dead movies? I would love to hear your review on them. :)

[@sebastianknott3804]

10:34 You missed the HK dropping off the harvester lol

[@ZethHolyblade]

I dearly hope that one day, we'll see another good Terminator movie, future set, blue sky, purple lasers, solid storyline and decent acting... pretty much what you said you thought T3 was going to be at first (a prequel). I kinda liked T4, but no where near as good as T1 and T2.

[@michaelcividanes2930]

"I actually appreciated Terminator Salvation more then Terminator 3 and Sarah Conner Chronicles" YES! Thank you! I'm not going to say Salvation was anywhere near the caliber of Terminator or Judgement Day, but it at least made the effort of trying to add something to the franchise. It tried to do something different with the material. I'll take a god damned honest effort over "Hey lets just copy what already worked once before so we can get paid" any day of the week!

[@cherpoo1]

Good work dude, keep up the good work! As a film buff im really enjoying this :)

[@GojiraRaptor]

stan winston was the greatest man ever. i did not know he died during production of the film.