Medical Examiner Testimony, Voicemails, & Tracking Data: MA v Karen Read Day 28 Recap

[@CourtTV]

#CourtTV - What do YOU think?

[@shantoreywilkins651]

⚖️🔝

[@jenniferb8496]

NOT GUILTY😮

[@DaniMC72]

Cross examination was great today!

[@jtjones4081]

Oh ffs, the medical examiner can easily determine whether the blood behind the eyes came from the bleeding due to the blow to the back of the head as opposed to being punched in the eyes or having your nose broken. Give it up AJ. I’ve given a DB raccoon eyes. Sounds like none of these pansy lawyers has ever been in a fight.

[@josephkain6213]

Where is the 3 liters of blood?

[@Riblyme]

“John, where the f--k are you? “ I can hear it clearly from my tv.

[@roadlesstraveled7767]

SAME!

[@Scarah85]

Agreed!

[@valcueee7]

Same

[@michellethomas8328]

Correct

[@Blade-oz7cj]

Same!

[@faithyourfear6401]

That last vm was, "John, where the f**k are you?" Because by 5 AM, her anger has turned into genuine concern and panic. To me, this is the smoking gun of innocence. No way would she have mowed him down then made all those hate calls. No. Way. These calls were not fake either. Those feelings were real. Not guilty.

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

I think she could have either not realised she hit him or not realised she’d really hurt him, so her early voicemails are still angry and in the heat of the moment. By 5am she’s realised she could have hurt him and that’s when she becomes more upset. Hitting him could easily fit the pattern of the voicemails, impulsive, drunken anger becomes fearful regret.

[@bn8579]

@@MrsGypsumFantastic so KR was at John’s house by 12:36 am. There’s people who arrived at the Albert’s house after that (proven by text messages) are you saying no one saw JO on the ground? What about those who were leaving? They didn’t see John on the lawn? How can there be no blood under him with the kind of injuries on his arm? Why did the Alberts rip their carpet in the basement? Why didn’t the guy plowing snow see him? The theory of KR hitting him just doesn’t make sense. You’ll have to be gullible to go with that

[@avathemis9878]

Or, by 5 am, she was sobering up to realize that she actually might have, or did, hit him with her car, and she is probably going to be in huge trouble.

[@avathemis9878]

@@MrsGypsumFantastic I completely agree.

[@avathemis9878]

@@bn8579 I think you have be gullible to believe that more than a few cops, from multiple agencies, plus paramedics and a few doctors, and a totally unrelated Celbrite analyst are ALL together on a single conspiracy to frame some person they barely know. It was dark. He was covered in snow, lying flat, and no one was looking for him, in a freaking blizzard. Makes perfect sense.

[@brandiguarino1778]

Toxic relationships can make you yell, say ugly things and act crazy, but it doesn’t mean you would kill them.

[@stacygardner3084]

Are you aware that love drugs and money are the three main reasons for killing

[@pennicochrane8886]

WRONG!!

[@MValleysMostWanted91]

By your logic doesn't mean you wouldn't kill them either? 😂 literally what your saying is you can't rule out ANYTHING in a toxic relationship.

[@MValleysMostWanted91]

KR acting crazy accidentally killed? I say accidentally because no possible way she could hit him like that twice in a row Do i think she meant to hit him yes? So i think she meant to kill him? No.

[@ca.lunaaa]

THIS 👏🏼

[@Cindeelouhoo]

Evidence ?!? NO WAY! She was pissed because he wasn’t answering and she thought he was with another girl! I’m more convinced after these messages. All she was is upset that he was using her to watch his kids. Nothing more.

[@Thistledew-ig7xu]

Oh God! another blind Karen follower! She obviously has some serious mental illness going on. Super controlling and was pissed things weren't going her way.

[@JustLikeJulia9]

@@Thistledew-ig7xu 💯

[@sophiapetrillo3008]

That’s what I’m getting from those voicemails 100%. ‘I’m here watching your kids & you’re out all night who knows where with who know who…’ It seems pretty obvious.

[@stevenprice6957]

Yeah ok. That’s why at 5am she told Carrie Roberts John is dead before hanging up. Answer that with a conspiracy theory please.

[@sophiapetrillo3008]

@@stevenprice6957 Tunnel vision isn’t a conspiracy theory.

[@mondoenterprises6710]

Those are not the calls of someone who just smashed someone to death on purpose. That part of the case is over.

[@Harlem1mentality]

I hate how they use motive as evidence of guilt. Instead of using evidence to support the motive.

[@mandymags411]

I have left messages on my husband's phone saying I hate you- a lot of people say that to their partner when they are very angry when having a fight. That is absolutely not evidence that she killed him. She was pissed that he wasn't home. She thought he was cheating. Of course she'd say I hate you if she believed that's what he was doing instead of going home.

[@Brooke-bc2iq]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipIf you let your husband disrespect you just say it.

[@shrutefarms4741]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipgrow ulp

[@mandymags411]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip 🤣

[@mandymags411]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip we both did. After 15 years married got divorced for 5. Been back together for 7. We grew up. cheating is for immature couples. At least it made us realize we're the only one for each other. It made us stronger and closer in our relationship

[@RealityBytesBack]

​@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipTherapy is about getting Utilizing tools and ideas From a specialist, that one can use, to work through situations. None of us know everything, so everyone can benefit by learning new skills to deal with conflict. Therapy shouldn't be looked at as a "cure all solution". one has to WANT to Learn Learn and implement better Coping skills, to grow, mature, and Communicate On a healthy level. what kind of therapy Are you referring to when Saying "hard work therapy"? Some people are closed off to therapy or have the misconception that it's a con or something just BC some people's mindset is that they expect therapy to fix them. But that's not what therapy is about.

[@MrYorick271]

This trial illustrates how incompetent a state police department can be.

[@tinamartina1801]

I don't think so 🤔.

[@GPDogDrool]

This isn't incompetence. They are using incompetence as an excuse. These are veteran officers that absolutely know Cop 101 basics. It's straight up corruption.

[@IAmALawyerToo]

Amen

[@joshkeeling82]

Yes. She's still guilty tho. Sadly for John and his family, she'll probably only serve 5-10 years or will be found not guilty on all charges. That would be a tragedy. She's a psychopath

[@sandrabecht4489]

some say "dirty"...... Search "Sandra Birchmore"

[@shannontimmons5594]

I think her VMs sound genuine like she has no clue where he is.

[@RealityBytesBack]

The VM that KR Left at 5:23am Sounds to me like she Says "John where the F*k are you" What do you think? l listened @30:29 slowed down and and that's what it sounds like to me.

[@whitneyhesmer6648]

Those weren’t fake voicemails, she was pissed. She had no idea he was dead. Not to mention the timeline today blew up the CW story anyway.. this trial is a waste of money.

[@Cumdown]

Lol, the timeline matches. The three minutes and flight of steps is bollocks

[@LegendLength]

investigate every level of law enforcement in that state

[@Out_Work_Everyone]

They are trying to audit the Canton PD but it’s been a dumpster fire… it’s so hard to watch. All the city/town halls are available online. One of the Albert’s is on the committee….

[@victorialinnd]

Thank you, her voice sounds way too desperate to have just killed someone. I said earlier if anything, it sounds like after THIS point, she might, but he had already been dead for some time.

[@AnnMcHale]

DO NOT AGREE. A MAN LOST HIS LIFE IN HORRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES AT THE HANDS OF HIS GIRLFRIEND-SHE MAKES 53 ABUSIVE CALLS TO HIM AND YET SHE NEVER ONCE RANG 911 TO REQUEST WELFARE CHECK ON HIM IN THE MIDST OF A SNOW STORM?

[@jamesbucks7967]

Y'all need to get you hearing checked "John where the f*** are you?"

[@annied9864]

There morals need checking

[@turtletruth]

“They’ve gone through everything but my sock drawer, but they won’t go through Brian Albert’s front door"! - Karen Read

[@AnnMcHale]

TO TRY AND PROVE YOU DID NOT RUN HIM DOWN. SHE HAD TRIED TO PRETEND SHE LAST SAW HIM AT THE WATERFALL-BECAUSE SHE WAS SEEKING TO PUT DISTANCE BETWEEN HERSELF AND THE CRIME SCENE. SHE ONLY CHANGED HER STORY WHEN SHE REALISED HER VEHICLE HAD BEEN OBSERVED OUTSIDE ON THE STREET AT 34 FAIRVIEW AT 12.20 AND THINK SHE STARTED ASKING "DID I HIT HIM? COULD I HAVE HIT HIM? DID I HIT HIM?"TO KERRI ROBERTS AND JEN MC CABE.

[@angelapowell2366]

And they didn't call her father to testify and perjur himself, he knows she done it, his dear daughter killer Karen

[@erkaderka3571]

He kNoWs ShE dUN iT

[@glo3139]

⁠On the contrary, her DAD would say the exact opposite. Defense may call him, but I doubt that they’ll even need to do so.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Well she’s dumb. They did go into the house and were welcomed by the Alberts.

[@collenevanderpool7146]

I hear her say, John, where the F are you?

[@michellethomas8328]

Yes I believe that is what she said

[@Becky2Yutes]

YES!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

Her nightmare is growing. She thought he was just going to get up after she swiped him and keep drinking. She’s in denial. At 5am when she rang Carrie Roberts she said johns dead. Then hangs up. That’s as plain as day she believed he was dead. Guilty.

[@patemaster13]

It's 100% clear that it's "John, where the fuk are you?"

[@juliecarr2465]

I agree.

[@blipco5]

Why would you send a voicemail AFTER you killed your boyfriend?

[@pennicochrane8886]

To cover her tracks or to see if he was alive, PERIOD!

[@JustLikeJulia9]

Why would you be looking for him so soon after you dropped him off?

[@blipco5]

@@pennicochrane8886 She wouldn’t have left THAT voicemail. Besides, did you not see the video of her car being driven onto the flatbed? The taillight was not nearly completely broken and the Dighton cop said it was only cracked with a small piece missing. Not 47 pieces placed all over the lawn.

[@blipco5]

PERIOD!

[@JustLikeJulia9]

Have you heard of Jodi Arias? She left Travis voicemails after she butchered and killed him!

[@sandibaker5298]

30:54 I completely disagree with Kevin! To me, it’s clear that she’s saying, “John, where the f$$k are you?”, through tears. In no reality does it sound like “John, was that you?”!!

[@josephinedimercurio5012]

I heard John was that you

[@kitoleummuelotik2411]

Kevin is an absolute doorknob and he will try his damndest to twist anything to fit the CW narrative 😂

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Let me just say this just because a woman or a man leaves a voicemail saying that they hate that person does not mean they want to kill that person or want that person dead. Y’all are reaching way too far on what she said. I personally would have said way more than what she said, my so-called boyfriend was out, boozing it up with others while I was at home taking care of his responsibilities . He should’ve been at home at a decent time for his niece. I understand that his nephew was overnight somewhere else, but at the end of the day, Jon should have had his ass at home being a responsible parent instead of out, boozing it up while his girlfriend went back to his house.

[@SunnyDays70s]

EXACTLY. She had every right to be raging. Doesn’t mean she wanted him dead.

[@Elle-Elle-C]

100% I left my ex a 'I hate you' message and called him the 'c' word plus a few other choice words (I'd found out he was cheating), did I kill him? No. Did I harm him in anyway? No. When I calmed down I ended the relationship and a few weeks later, filed for divorce

[@RealityBytesBack]

The inaudible VM that KR Left at 5:23am KR Says "John where the F*k are you" What do you think? l listened @30:29 slowed down and and that's what it sounds like to me.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@RealityBytesBack that’s also what I heard

[@Mom99004]

I give them a 0 for proving she hit him on purpose. Confusing testimony for prosecutor and horrible lead detective. Big fat ZERO

[@8Platinum8]

do you think he could have got side swiped crawled 30 feet and then an animal malled his arm? just curious. i cant tell if she hit or didnt hit but im pretty sure none of it was intentional/ people are like cops would never just drop a body on their own lawn LIKEWISE she would bot commit murder not knowing who could maybe see in front of a home full of and in front of arriving cops

[@rgerelus7250]

John where the f*** are you I hear it pretty clear

[@valcueee7]

Pretty clear to me too

[@Becky2Yutes]

YES!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

She wants him to miraculously get up from her car swipe but unfortunately he couldn’t and didn’t. Thats why she rang Carrie Roberts at 5am and stated John is dead then hangs up. That’s all she said lol. Killer Karen

[@Brooke-bc2iq]

@@stevenprice6957All of these anti-KRs fabricating their own stories. LOL!

[@Out_Work_Everyone]

@@stevenprice6957if you believe the testimony of Ms Roberts… And the only people who have to find her testimony credible is …. The jury.

[@TRuru.]

She’s really easy not to like. But I don’t think she’s guilty of murder. If it was an accident, the crappy & biased investigation puts plenty of reasonable doubt on any lesser charges.

[@WiitchBlair]

@@trishbender7940Wow, so you think ppl with MS shouldn’t be driving?😂 Yes drinking isn’t good if you have a this type of illness but there are plenty of ppl out there smoking despite having a heart condition, etc. This isn’t a point to be discussed regarding legal charges.

[@trishbender7940]

@@WiitchBlair then don’t drink and drive

[@EagerParaglider-vq1zd]

I think she is setting the conversation up to get people to believe she thought he was cheating when she knew he wasn't home cuz she ran him over!!!

[@B-ch6uk]

I think she was just angry and aggressively drove and didn't mean to kill him. Why else would she say did I hit him?

[@Kat-hn3ki]

53 angry feral voicemails? After killing bf on the lawn of another cop? Karen is not that calculated in whatever she did, that’s for sure…

[@jstellacc]

She’s very clearly saying “John, where the f are you”

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

On the voicemails Karen says “nobody knows where you are” - how does she know this, had she contacted anyone at this stage? I think she could have well hit him, but there’s not enough information to say whether this was accidental or on purpose. It may have been something she did on impulse in anger, but didn’t think she done any real damage to him. The voicemails start angry, but the 5:23 message sounded like “John where the F are you?” And she sounded more upset than angry, this could be the point when she realised she could have really hurt him.

[@mrs.b6545]

These voicemails mean absolutely nothing, period. I bet most women in the courtroom and in this comment section have called their man giving him hell one time or another. This is not proving anything.

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

It proves her state of mind, angry and full of hate.

[@mrs.b6545]

@MrsGypsumFantastic to me, it only proves anger and toxicity. If I had a dollar for the many times I cussed my husband out, and I would say way worse things than she did . When someone is angry, they are not using uplifting words they are hitting below the belt, but still do not rise to the level of murder .

[@KM-yh4gh]

I think any man who have dated a woman would not be surprised by messages like this. Whether she hit it unintentionally or not, this sounds typical of women are desperately trying to get in contact with you and you are ignoring them.

[@shrutefarms4741]

So far I think Karen is prob a repulsive person but not guilty of deliberate homicide. Can’t stand the snide look that is always on her face so it’s hard to like her but if she did hit him, she didn’t mean to. Those messages confirmed it for me. She’s pissed he isn’t home in these messages, not trying to cover her tracks.

[@hanabelle65]

How about you take a moment to think about what your facial expressions would be like if you were falsely accused of murder by these pathological liars. I'd wager you'd have a bit of a perturbed expression every once in awhile, no?

[@JackieHorvath]

Why hasn’t Vinnie commented on the fact that the witness that testified about the cell phone completely negated the Commonwealth timeline

[@whiteheart6827]

Exactly.

[@AnnMcHale]

Don't think so-You need GO BACK AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS

[@Stacy-]

​@AnnMcHale - No this comment is correct. They said it happened around 12:45am. That's the time given in opening statements & Jen McCabe said she saw Karen's car still at the house at 12:42am. According to Karen's cell phone data, the prosecution witnesses said Karen's phone automatically connected to John's Wifi at 12:36am. She was already at John's when they claimed this happened & when the witnesses claimed they saw her car parked in front of the house. She made a call at 12:37am when she got to John's too. Someone's data and/or timeline is wrong.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Opening statements are not evidence and the last time I checked, 1232 is around 1245. The evidence is she hit him at 1231/1232 then drove to his house. The only witness to say she saw the car said she couldn’t be certain if the car was still there at 1245 when she sent the last text. She was sure she saw the car the first 2 times.

[@sylerbo]

@sarasmilesco8551 exactly! Also, John's (bless his heart) phone went off the grid (iyw) at that time..12:31 or 2.. being flung under him, somehow.. I can't believe Lally...no visual or re-enactment vid...wth I've seen a few and talk about compelling.

[@plasticity1000]

There will be no premeditation, second degree murder verdict here. The prosecution over charged. The prosecution should have settled for manslaughter. She will be exonerated unless they have a lesser charge inclusion.

[@briarrose29]

Exactly! She totally did it, but there’s too much reasonable doubt to call it premeditated.

[@myztery4934]

@@briarrose29 There is too much reasonable doubt about whether she was even there at the time he was supposed to have been hit at this point. Too many people have said she was there when she was connected to the wifi across town.

[@shafarnullifidian8127]

She shouldn't be described as “an accused murderer”! She, at this point, is a defendant, accused of murder.

[@laurenwashington4053]

What’s the difference…?

[@Cumdown]

Low id

[@santiedormehl3042]

​@@laurenwashington4053They didn't proof that she killed him

[@ALH626]

They are the same thing at this point. You just prefer the latter due to personal bias.

[@ashleydavis5557]

Exactly x I am a fan of Vinny but he has been against Karen from the start x

[@anitagendler3812]

She said “John, where the F-k are you!” It’s very clear!

[@CraftystuffbyStacey]

I clearly hear, 'John, where the f&%k are you?' In a desperate, pleading tone...

[@immaculatepeter5529]

Ikr, I don’t know why people are having a hard time hearing it.

[@slaws2279]

It’s clearly “John, where the f***are you?” Why is this even a debate?

[@MollyZelko2.0]

Bc court tv panelists ain’t very bright

[@tracy6756]

She thinks he’s in bed with another girl and she’s panicking saying John where the f*** are you. CRYSTAL CLEAR

[@smileface991]

She is panicking. She is realizing she hit him.

[@tracy6756]

@@smileface991 nope

[@mondoenterprises6710]

People are way too personally invested in this case rather than take an objective view.

[@Scatpack-gw9kb]

I agree it’s like a cult

[@moonknightj5797]

Blame the weird state trooper for looking nudes on a suspects phone. All of their credibility goes out the window because of that.

[@senseiwackadoodle9402]

​@@moonknightj5797Credibility went out of the window when they used solo cups, testified to putting them in an evidence bag, which was a grocery bag, and then those same samples were photographed on the floor of the Sallyport within feet of the Lexus. Not forgetting all the phones being discarded/upgraded and the lack of chain of custody. Its absolutely disgraceful. Why would they not want to investigate John o Keefes death to the highest standard?

[@avathemis9878]

@@moonknightj5797 That does not explain the Karen cult.

[@lilolmecj]

Because this could be any person. If law enforcement can do such a sloppy job, where one of their own is involved every Citizen could be prosecuted with no proof that meets acceptable standards of evidence. I don’t specifically care about her. But I care about corruption culture.

[@TruthNationUncensored]

She was pissed he wasnt answering.. big deal

[@laniakea2162]

That’s what I took from it too.

[@LisaBush-qb2ic]

Unhinged is more like it

[@helenab7390]

Exactly she already feels angry from him not answering his phone at other times...

[@sophiapetrillo3008]

Not just not answering, but staying out all night, right? Unless I’m missing something, not coming home would be a pretty big deal for any couple.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@sophiapetrillo3008You’re not missing anything. Karen is leaving those messages because she’s at John’s house with his adopted kids & he’s not there. In her mind, cheating. Of course she’s mad.

[@Blissfulnessence]

The time Jen Macabre said she saw the dark suv outside- Karen Read's phone showed she was already at O'Keefes home.

[@michken5722]

John , where the eff are you? Is exactly what she has said there.

[@shannontimmons5594]

After Lacy Peterson died, Scott Peterson left her a very sweet VM about how much he loved her

[@rosg1746]

She was saying she hated him!

[@SunnyDays70s]

@@rosg1746Exactly. The exact opposite of Scott Peterson.

[@RealityBytesBack]

@@SunnyDays70s Yeah she's clearly upset but I think the VMs and the timeline actually support her innocence. If she had just ran over him like the commonwealth is alleging, she wouldn't be calling and leaving angry messages, Which could incriminate her. but rather, Leaving sweet messages trying to create an alibi. The entire case the CW is trying to put forth, just doesn't make any sense

[@guysebastian9072]

I'm so sick of this case. RIP John

[@catherinehargrave9539]

He was using her for a nanny, gaslighting her. She was understandably pissed off.

[@926paaja]

I agree his texts came off as a bit narcissistic to me that cold dismissive tone..

[@926paaja]

@shailaja6788 agreed

[@ZigZag003]

KR told her father that she had hit something and admitted during an interview that she may have hit JO unknowingly. I slowed down to 0.5 and listened to what KR said at 5:23. KR said "John, I just looked at you." At that time, she is crying, and no longer screaming profanities at him. She saw JO dead in the snow, and did not call 911, but instead put on an act and claimed others hurt him. It is disturbing that she knows what she did, and is trying to get others charged for her acts.

[@xo_Boujee_xo]

“John where the f are you?!”

[@avathemis9878]

I agree with you.

[@MmDisney200]

This voicemails help her more than anything else. She didn’t know where he was, she thought he was cheating… this is not the kind of voicemails someone guilty leaves, someone guilty would leave nice voicemails to cover up… she is not guilty, the commonwealth has not been able to prove anything.

[@kaitlanquinlan4982]

KR in phone message said “John where the F*** are you? “ that’s what I heard

[@stevenprice6957]

And ? Killers aren’t normal in action or speak. Just looks at Karen now and it shows she’s still unhinged

[@lovemylittles4758]

She didn’t cover it up . She sounded like a pissed off girlfriend looking for him . She didn’t know he was dead !

[@HeartStar-uf2tp]

If Karen is so innocent then why did she google “DUI attorney’s”? Surely if the last time you saw your bf walking up the driveway to a house party you would be going to the police demanding an investigation as you had nothing to do with it! She didn’t & instead spent the next several hours covering her tracks. She rang her father 2 times & her mother 2 times at 1am & 4am (what 42 yr old woman would do that , if she had simply dropped bf off at party less than 1 hr earlier) she deleted ring footage (the children, sleeping in their beds certainly didn’t do that) she told Kerry Roberts “John’s not home. I think he’s dead. I think a plow hit him”. 4 separate paramedics at the scene (who have no skin in the game) heard her say “I hit him, I hit him, I hit him”. She put her foot down on her accelerator & held it down for 7 full seconds in reverse after dropping JO off & had been given directions to go past JO’s ex-gf’s house. (KR herself said they had been arguing in the Waterfall parking lot). Proven in court by experts that JO didn’t enter the house (the “steps taken” were recorded during his car ride to 34 Fairview) & within 8 minutes of them arriving at the house all activity from John went dead. Ppl who still think KR is innocent are living in cloud cuckoo land.

[@kerri-lynbryant293]

And she did it as soon as she found out JO'K was dead. LIES!

[@Brooke-bc2iq]

Proctor called her and then she searched for a DUI attorney. I’m glad you’re not a lawyer or have any sort of pull in the legal field because your analysis is garbage. Nobody should be deemed guilty for hiring a lawyer. If she knew she was guilty why wouldn’t she look up “criminal defense attorney” or “murder attorney” ..? You’re ridiculous.

[@bjcbren2]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@926paaja]

It was after the cops talked to her and that doesn’t prove anything which is why it was prohibited A person getting a lawyer is their constitutional right ! It won’t be allowed in trial and it shouldn’t be

[@moonknightj5797]

Glad this guy isn’t a lawyer, holy moly the amount of old white men looking for justice for a cheater, a cop, and probably an abuser

[@maryh6578]

Some of this evidence should be used to teach youth what types of relationships are bad and can be dangerous. This is not a loving relationship.

[@mandystone3005]

How did he get bruised knuckles, how did he have steps on his app, why did the plow driver not see his body, how did all the people see KR at 12h45 but she was at JO's house at 12h36, How did no one find red glass when first searched but found it after. How did the glass pieces and Hair cling to KR car even after towing, where is the 42 missing mins of footage in the Sallyport and lets not forget the glass staying in JO hand whilst projected 30ft through the air.!! Then I haven't even started on the missing Chloe dog, the floor replaced, the missing phones as well as deleted data and calls from the McCabes and the Alberts phones.!!

[@LynnNeis]

💯 AGREE

[@LynnNeis]

If she is found guilty it’s because the jurors are scared of the corruption in this city and for their own families clear that they framed this lady Karen

[@useyourlittlegraycells]

On the VM, she said, “John, where the f*!k are you?!” I had never heard the VM before, but it was very clear to me .

[@OneLaw214]

"John wtf are you" it sounds.

[@hanabelle65]

100%

[@Catherine-cj8gp]

Yessss ! That’s what I hear also

[@RoadGoose69]

Exactly what i heard. How this is being misheard as anything else is amazing!

[@stevenprice6957]

Have you ever been in the mind of a killer. Karen read the unhinged one. She wants him to answer. She hopes he answers. Her nightmare is growing. That’s why at 5am she rings Roberts and states John is dead. 5am.

[@Patricia-kz4rl]

That's always a good cover. MANY women who have gone missing had boyfriends or spouses text them asking that question: WHERE ARE YOU? It's a cover. We know she dropped John off, so she was at the house. John got out on the right side of the car then went around the back. It was almost blizzarding, & some people think it would be easy to see him go down & Karen hit him?

[@DorothyKeoseian]

She’s saying John where the F are you?come on how can people not hear that

[@tawnyk9568]

Exactly! Makes me question all these people. How can they not hear that! The guy that said he heard “I just want to look at you”. Like come on that’s not what she said

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Because they are trying to hear what THEY WANNA HEAR

[@bianca4931]

Funny how Vinni’s example is Alex Murdaugh…I yet have to see a video putting Karen at the scene of the crime like Paul’s kennel video did for Alex..,give me a break!

[@esmurphy9405]

Good point

[@shrutefarms4741]

Actually, no video but She was def at the scene. She even came back to the scene.

[@erkaderka3571]

​@@shrutefarms4741duh, so were/did several other ppl

[@SadAmerica1434]

Trooper Gierino better update his pathetic resume. Laughing at Karen’s lawyer, jumping up and down in his seat like a 4 yr old…This is a murder trial not a day at Kindercare. Aunt Beverly should have found him in contempt in front of the victim’s family.

[@926paaja]

And the “kill me” hot mic moment

[@briarharris3136]

That last call is 'John where the F are you?'

[@yassishanti2624]

I don’t believe anything those troopers say. Based on the language they used to reference the defendant, they have a tainted reputation in my mind now.

[@Meowser186]

I am certain she backed into him in a fit of rage, but I don't believe she thought she killed him. Just a flesh wound. To suggest the voicemails help her is an amazing this. It wasn't until she realized that he was not responding to her that guilt kicked in and she raced to the exact location where she hit him. KR was out of control at this point, but she knew where to look for John. Karen admitting guilt many times does not help your spin.

[@hanabelle65]

And I'm certain that you have no clue what you're talking about and that you are willing to base someone's guilt or innocence on nothing more than what your imagination conjures up...just like 90% of the populace.

[@KayOss-zk4ls]

I completely agree. She was drunk. She hit him on purpose but didn't think she killed him.

[@bjcbren2]

She hit him but didn't think she killed him? Why tf would she leave a van asking where the deck he is? Are you people blind to the facts of this case? FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE- wait what evidence?

[@bjcbren2]

Admitting to guilt? I think there's 3 sides to every story. It's clear she said did I hit him? Question form - open your eyes - this entire investigation has been botched and not credible. MSP is a laughing stock.

[@bn8579]

Does she sound drunk to you? How do you explain the arm injury on JO? Those injuries look nothing like a car hit. Where was the blood on the broken taillights then?

[@stacyssassynails6054]

I hear John where the f÷=k are you

[@Jack-bc5xg]

Who does she not know she dropped him off?

[@smileface991]

Yeah. She sounds desperate. She is realizing she did hit him.

[@JustsomeLady232]

Definitely said John where F**k are you. Sounds like someone who is worried about him even if there was a rocky relationship.

[@missyyy-]

Less worried about him and more worried about herself. She didn’t want to be responsible for those kids. Sounds like she had a lot of resentment about him staying out and expecting her to take on his responsibilities. Doesn’t sound like someone who expected him to not get home, that’s for sure.

[@Patricia-kz4rl]

Yea, worried that he might still be alive to tell what really happened. She kept calling not only to make it look like she was worried, but in hope he would answer. He was barely alive when he was found. FOUND BY KAREN, RIGHT WHERE SHE LEFT HIM. Even covered up with snow and the weather so bad, no one (except Karen) could see anything. That's interesting. WHY didn't she have Jen call her brother-in-law to see if John was passed out on the couch? She was at Johns', suddenly woke up and immediately knew "something had happened". Interesting choice of words. Why not "I had a bad feeling"? Because something DID happen. She hit John and left him there.

[@MValleysMostWanted91]

Karen Read should have just left the relationship. She was clearly clingy. Idk what was going on with her? But she took things too far.

[@belindaschrickker4172]

I don’t know…….if I was in a relationship with someone and he’d been killed either by accident or purposely I’d be very emotional reliving this in court. She’s just cold faced…..zero emotion!!!

[@deborahkociolek486]

Her little smile outside today wasn’t necessary Shes never looked sad or upset at any information on how John died , or his injuries

[@jamestamu83]

The evidence proves she is guilty. Cell phone location data shows he did not go into the house. Blows apart the entire defense argument. Put her away!!

[@JDC1976]

Is the phone accurate. No jury can convect someone off that info. Defense has some good Experts . Real experts

[@JDC1976]

She is saying John Where the heck are you

[@ambermuth]

Hard to understand why nobody on the show could hear what all of us could clearly hear. Hope the jury can hear it!

[@woodins5833]

They never call him a fellow officer our fallen officer of the police family even if they didn't know him

[@cathflorence761]

😢😢😢😢

[@meldw222]

To be fair, I have heard Mr Alan Jackson not say It either. Repeatedly. You can go back and hear him not address him as Officer. Both sides don't do it thou. Both. I agree he should be addressed as Officer Okeef.

[@elysedenomme2544]

It is not out of character for a chaotic person to kill and then leave chaotic messages because narcissists create the world they live in, so delusions become their reality. Alcohol intensifies the character.

[@jtjones4081]

True, but i so think it was an accident. She may have been negligent in not driving back to check on him and render aid. Had she done that, the right thing, John would be alive right now. People survive skull fractures every day.

[@MsMarple]

Very true. Thank you for that.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

It’s in character for a woman to leave angry voicemails when shes feeling used by the man she loves and cares for

[@pennicochrane8886]

​@@jtjones4081 Still killed him! Watch his family SO SAD they sit right near her!!

[@bn8579]

This doesn’t apply here. We have context

[@3615.]

Its not looking good for Karen, a large dog would have done way more damage and the fact that it was only the arm, this is also disproved by the prosecutions medical examiner when she stated the cuts/abrasions to Johns arm did not cause death!!! If I was a juror Karen would be getting guilty!!

[@alberlygonzalez320]

J.O was never inside 34 Fairview Road. Common sense. JUSTICE FOR JOHN O’Keefe.

[@JackieHorvath]

I agree justice for John OKeefe and to do this the FBI needs to step in and figure out which person killed him ! Because it wasn’t Karen Read

[@926paaja]

@@JackieHorvaththe FBI and the DOJ have stepped in they have been investigating all of it and these assholes for years they hired arcca which the 2 guys will testify that it was a fight that killed him

[@sylerbo]

Great guest, Kevin Lenihan! Unbiased and logical. Very kind he seems as well. Ones ive been watching over time are getting harder to watch. With their guests all leaning one way. I love clear unbiased reasonable logic, and that's YCT with Kevin. Will watch whenever he is on.

[@Ji5-24]

At least we finally get to see who KR actually is (despite the obvious fake public facade) how she spoke to and about John and the children who have lost their parents, is despicable and we know how she really felt about them. No wonder John wanted to end it with her. Who could blame him.

[@Ji5-24]

@shailaja6788 Yes possibly. As Kerry Roberts said “babysitter with benefits”. If that were the case she should’ve just let him go, instead of hanging on to him and then complaining about it and they really had no ties to each other. Seems he just wasn’t that in to her long term at least.

[@New_Zealand_1]

Thanks!

[@debrarodriguez32]

The ME stated he wouldn't have died right away. My God, he could've been saved 🙏

[@joycechampagne80]

What is weird about this is that Read stated, "she went home" instead of going to the after-party after stating she "dropped John off and he had a coat on" then she is calling him over and over saying hateful things. And her sister was calling people looking for him. This definitely does not sound normal. I been there when my boyfriend did not come home and called certain people looking for him concerned if he was ok, but never did I call my siblings and have them call people. Something is very strange here. Her voice sounds staged in these messages. So what if she was meeting Higgns that she was throwing herself at him and remember he left the party early cause he stated, " They were drinking beer that I don't like, so I left " what? so maybe he and Read met up, and John knew it. Something is not right about this story with her. And if you notice when they showed a video of John, she had a blank look on her face. When they were showing pictures of John's face or body, she had a blank look on her face. No emotions, whatsoever. Does this look and sound like someone who is innocent? Not to me! Her attorneys are saying the cell phones pretty much "don't show the truth." The marks on John's arm definitely do not look like any animal bites. That is cut marks. On his arm. His skull is fractured in many places because of blunt force. Boxer's fight all the time beat the living daylights out of each other and come out walking. Something else happened here. Justice for John in Jesus' name, I pray. Amen 🙏

[@KathleenHelms-nq1vk]

Karen is NOT GUILTY

[@tinamartina1801]

Guilty 💯 😊

[@MISSAPRILx3]

IMO she's guilty

[@carmellaffan6654]

Not guilty. XO

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@tinamartina1801I’ll be back here in a week or so when she’s found not guilty to rub it in

[@adaberdugo8]

Guilty

[@sheamccorkle7689]

He got to the house earlier. She was home by 12:36. She wasn’t out front at 12:45 like Jen McCabe said

[@cfrias73]

Karen Read is Guilty 100%

[@POKERBEAST25]

Are we serious. She clearly says John where the F are you.

[@janetleemarino8702]

Karen sounds like thousands of woman a day, including myself, who get pissed off at our significant others when taken advantage of.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Yikes seek help asap. This is not normal behavior

[@lifepathnumbernine6607]

Kevin is so full of it that it makes me laugh 😅😅😅😂😂😂

[@Crack-is-Wack]

Yellow Cottage Falses

[@mauiswift6391]

Intelligent guy Kevin.

[@stevenprice6957]

He’s probably the only one with guts to state the truth

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

PLEVIN is a sheep 🐑

[@Psychickitty-e2w]

@lifepath I actually have to turn Vinnie off occasionally because of Kevin I cannot stand him 😤

[@annepearce2845]

Karen hit him and returned to see if he survived. She knows what happened. It was rage out of control

[@vickiscoggins3986]

I think she will be found guilty. I think she is phoney

[@leanndoolin4284]

And you are going to be proven wrong.

[@angelapowell2366]

Nick is speechless and battled for an answer , killer Karen's time is coming closer

[@livecalm2246]

Why would a grown woman call her parents in the middle of the night…unless she was in big trouble?

[@JDC1976]

She was Drunk and her man was not home.

[@missyyy-]

Listen, in New England, no one grows up fully. It’s an insular place where people are extremely codependent both financially and emotionally. And given her age and maturity level, there’s a good chance her parents are alcoholics like her and John were… making it more conceivable that they’d be up late. You have to understand the mentality to understand how these things are possible.

[@ali90211]

GUILTY

[@AmorDivino-e5q]

Karen is a psycho narc, she killed him " I hit him, I hit him " she said, then instead of helping him she run away, to come back later to the crime scene and make a show ,all very calculated. She was full of anger and rage because J. O'Keefe was sick and tired of her and want it out,but a narcissist don't let you go . We heard her audios full of rage and cursing againts him. We heard the audios of her flirting with the cop Brian while still with John. She is a master manipulator,a psycho. Now she show up in court dressed like a formal lady with perfectly discret make up, smirking subtly with cold eyes. Her defense team are like pitbulls interrogating the witnesses, and the prosecutors are doing the worst job . While a bunch of idiots outside the courtroom,cheer her like a movie star . I'm very sorry for John O' Keefe , he was a nice man, taking care of his orphan nieces , he had nice tender blue eyes and a friendly smile,now he is in Heaven because her venomous not even girlfriend, killed him in cold blood in a very cold night, letting him freeze in the snow while she ran away in her cozy SUV. Send her to jail please,where she belongs for murder in first degree.

[@lauralou4852]

Oh Vinnie come on 🙄 she thought she was being cheated on by a man that went silent on a drunken, party night. It’s not her best hour but certainly not an admission of guilt. Those voicemails show me… She clearly thought he was ALIVE.

[@ajohnson2283]

Exactly! Those voicemails went from angry to worried. He didn't text that he made it in the party, he didn't text to make sure she made it home safely, he's not answering her calls/text for hours and she has accused him of cheating. I would be pissed too.

[@amys5087]

Too many coincidences... she was at the scene, she was raging, the relationship was bad for months, she had a broken taillight, no one saw him in the house.

[@bratniii]

Coincidences are not evidence. Coincidences are for the defense.

[@hedykarim3614]

They planted the broken tail light . And the video of the car inside is missing someone got rid of it .

[@SonetLandman]

If the relationship was bad for months, she would not have killed him in clear view of a window where anybody could have looked out and see her do yet (😅 nobody apparently saw anything of the sorts by the way). She would have done it some other place.

[@bjcbren2]

Wait to many coincidences for a guilty verdict - for the prosecution?! You need a drug test?! Or inpatient?! Insane comment saying too many coincidences from the prosecution side lmaooo

[@laurenherda2415]

Broken tail light from hitting John's car

[@mykingofkings1439]

She did exactly what many other killers have done before her.. she called and texted the victim to try and cover up her knowledge of the crime. It's a well known tactic amongst guilty people when the victim is a family member or a close friend, they will call them when they're "missing". This is an attempt to get ahead of Investigators to make LE think.."why would she call John if she knew he was dead??" It's sneaky but the problem for Karen is nearly every other guilty person who was in a similar situation to her..has done the same thing!! It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. What else did she do.. she did exactly what you said Vinnie... she went on TV and said "i couldn't hurt a hair on his head" And "i was the only one who helped him"..self praise. She also said "you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who didn't like John" So according to her..everyone loved John but at the same time.. people also beat John and left him to freeze on the lawn and covered it up??? She also called Jen and Kerry to gather witnesses for when she "found" John. She needed them to witness her "hysterics"so they would say afterwards" there's no way she hit John look at how" upset"she is." In her interview she admits to showing Jen and Kerry her broken taillight BEFORE John was found.. She said "on top of everything else I've just hit my car" and she admits she said"did I hit him?" She wanted to make it look like an accident because she knows that was better than the truth coming out.. But when they upped the charges to intentional murder because of the toxic relationship, increased acceleration, failure to brake and deliberately ignoring her reverse warning sensors. Her defense knew.. if they admitted an accident then it's admitting she did and then it wouldn't be very hard to prove intent. If you notice the defense are not actually denying the overwhelming evidence that points to her instead they are going with.. it wasn't really her even though the evidence shows this..someone just made it look that way.. which is ridiculous.

[@IAmALawyerToo]

The defense hasn’t presented any evidence yet! What literature or research can u site re she did what many other killers have done before her? I didn’t hear any testimony re same. That the state’s own medical expert refused to attribute cause to an auto and manner as homicide is reasonable doubt in triplicate! State has largely proven reasonable doubt. I don’t remember such an appalling case and waste of resources. Don’t let emotion shut down your prefrontal cortex and ability to exercise wise mind.

[@IAmALawyerToo]

The defense hasn’t presented any evidence yet! What literature or research can u site re she did what many other killers have done before her? I didn’t hear any testimony re same. That the state’s own medical expert refused to attribute cause to an auto and manner as homicide is reasonable doubt in triplicate! State has largely proven reasonable doubt. I don’t remember such an appalling case and waste of resources. Don’t let emotion shut down your prefrontal cortex and ability to exercise wise mind.

[@sipthetea69]

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I think this is the first time I encountered a POV on Karen's guilt. I've heard a lot more on why not. Admittedly, I have some doubts on her innocence, too. But I'm on the fence on her guilt.

[@samanthawachtler1186]

I truly believe she clipped him, felt it but didn't think it was hard as she told Yanetti and was calling him to force him to answer, to see if he was okay after a few hours I think it started to sink in and she went back after turning her GPS off missing for 18 mins she was ar fairview at 5am called her parents and then planned to find him with his friends. I def think she is guilty of hitting him that GPS road map was clear and convincing.

[@zonker845]

Its a crime of passion. She lost it. After losing her mind and gunning it at him and not sure how badly she hurt him, she calls to make sure he got the message. by 12:59am she realizes he might be hurt and is pretending she doesn't know where he is, a ruse she tries to continue the next morning

[@mooshie504]

She told turtle and her lawyer she thought she “just clipped him”

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@mooshie504crazy how the free Karen read cult seems to ignore this 🙄

[@templeyoung2423]

Guilty. Only one who was angry. Knew he was dead before arriving at the scene told everyone she did it. His dna inside her taillight. Tiny pieces of taillight imbedded in his shirt.

[@Ruby-60]

GUILTY! Crazy Jealous over this Officer! Shouldn’t be with Any Man if You Think You Own Them! Nobody Owns Anyone! Life goes on and you have to keep it moving! Regardless of who you are with! Every single person you meet is Not Yours! Guilty!

[@BaoVwm4Christ]

If the voicemails are KR’s fake calls after she killed him with her car then she needs to get an Academy Award for best actress.

[@alinemichele7486]

Gosh she's got some serious anger issues this woman.

[@Out_Work_Everyone]

Yep. And she may be one of the crazies. That’s wild explain her being in her 40s, no kids, ever married… not to mention the blatant RBF she has …. Doesn’t make her a killer though.

[@alinemichele7486]

@@Out_Work_Everyone Absolutely

[@SunnyDays70s]

You might too if you were being used by a man for sex and babysitting.

[@katemaier7047]

Simple She was enraged and and hit the gas in reverse! She left nasty messages because she was not aware she hit him ANYONE WHO HAS EVER ARGUED IN THE CAR AND HIT THE GAS PROVES IT I certainly have experienced this Manslaugher

[@ritaeichler2066]

The answer lies on the DNA found on her backbumper of john okeefe & his hair as well as the cracked pcs of her tailight on his shirt & in the area of his death. That evidence supercedes any doubts jury may have. She hit him alright but she was so drunk didnt realize how hard & how fatal.😅

[@five_more_minutes_please]

I'm leaning towards she hit him, but didn't realize it until she sobered up in the early morning hrs. Great episode tonight!

[@holdruss6197]

I used to think that but the bite marks on the arm are the clincher that it couldn't have been her

[@briarrose29]

This is what I’ve always thought too.

[@katrinat.3032]

🎯

[@avathemis9878]

I agree.

[@avathemis9878]

@@holdruss6197 Two forensic medical examiners and an ER doctor say they were not bite marks. They do not look like obvious bite marks to me. There was no canine DNA on swabs of the shirt a dog would have had to bite through. But even if he was bit by a dog, that does not actually prove she did not also hit him.

[@bethmccrae2714]

The vehicle data and taillight pieces alone prove that Karen Read ran over John O'Keefe. But the 3 phone calls in the middle of the night erase any doubt. 45 year old women do not call their parents 3 times in the middle of the night unless they just killed someone. And even worse, her parents spoke to her at 4:42 am. Then Karen Read told Laura Sullivan that "we found John in the snow at 5 am.". It sounds like the missing time between when Karen Reid went to the Waterfall at 5 am and when she arrived at Jen McCabe's house was Karen Read meeting up with her parents and going to the murder scene. Then Karen Read and her parents chose to leave John incapacitated on the ground with a fractured skull to freeze to death alone.

[@bethmccrae2714]

Karen Read also told John's niece to call Mr. Camerano to pick her up at 5 am because she knew that John was never coming home

[@polls2694]

The last voicemail she says is John where the f- - - are you?

[@makamurphy]

How many times have you swore at your partner for not picking up? Or responding back? Thought so

[@KayXoXo4]

I have. I have left hateful voice-mails too when I feel like he's purposely ignoring me.

[@Petitpois_moi]

Too many times....

[@veronicalass5350]

Never. Always more worried something bad may have happened

[@firecracker2976]

I'm about Karen's age. Mid 40's. I can't imagine yelling and swearing like that on a vm to my partner. I'd be worried and concerned. Not behaving like a young person in my teens or early 20's. They weren't even married. Like come on. Really?

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Never. It’s not normal.

[@williamgage4825]

We think that this trooper is not an expert nor does he have any integrity...

[@danahsutton101]

If Karen murdered John why would she make herself look bad by leaving angry messages?

[@martinaosullivan1622]

To cover her crime up

[@josesantos-cc6no]

If you measure the distance between the arm scratches and the bruise on the knee, is parallel with the taillight and the bumper of the car. In another words he was hit by the back of the car.