Medical Examiner Testimony, Voicemails, & Tracking Data: MA v Karen Read Day 28 Recap

The medical examiner who performed the autopsy on Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe takes the stand in the #KillerOrCoverUpMurderTrial. Plus, Court TV's Vinnie Politan analyzes the voicemails and tracking data presented to the jury during Day 28 of the case against #KarenRead.
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[@COURTTV]

#CourtTV - What do YOU think?

[@shantoreywilkins651]

⚖️🔝

[@jenniferb8496]

NOT GUILTY😮

[@DaniMC72]

Cross examination was great today!

[@jtjones4081]

Oh ffs, the medical examiner can easily determine whether the blood behind the eyes came from the bleeding due to the blow to the back of the head as opposed to being punched in the eyes or having your nose broken. Give it up AJ. I’ve given a DB raccoon eyes. Sounds like none of these pansy lawyers has ever been in a fight.

[@josephkain6213]

Where is the 3 liters of blood?

[@Riblyme]

“John, where the f--k are you? “ I can hear it clearly from my tv.

[@roadlesstraveled7767]

SAME!

[@Scarah85]

Agreed!

[@valcueee7]

Same

[@michellethomas8328]

Correct

[@Blade-oz7cj]

Same!

[@turtletruth]

“They’ve gone through everything but my sock drawer, but they won’t go through Brian Albert’s front door"! - Karen Read

[@AnnMcHale]

TO TRY AND PROVE YOU DID NOT RUN HIM DOWN. SHE HAD TRIED TO PRETEND SHE LAST SAW HIM AT THE WATERFALL-BECAUSE SHE WAS SEEKING TO PUT DISTANCE BETWEEN HERSELF AND THE CRIME SCENE. SHE ONLY CHANGED HER STORY WHEN SHE REALISED HER VEHICLE HAD BEEN OBSERVED OUTSIDE ON THE STREET AT 34 FAIRVIEW AT 12.20 AND THINK SHE STARTED ASKING "DID I HIT HIM? COULD I HAVE HIT HIM? DID I HIT HIM?"TO KERRI ROBERTS AND JEN MC CABE.

[@angelapowell2366]

And they didn't call her father to testify and perjur himself, he knows she done it, his dear daughter killer Karen

[@erkaderka3571]

He kNoWs ShE dUN iT

[@glo3139]

⁠On the contrary, her DAD would say the exact opposite. Defense may call him, but I doubt that they’ll even need to do so.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Well she’s dumb. They did go into the house and were welcomed by the Alberts.

[@faithyourfear6401]

That last vm was, "John, where the f**k are you?" Because by 5 AM, her anger has turned into genuine concern and panic. To me, this is the smoking gun of innocence. No way would she have mowed him down then made all those hate calls. No. Way. These calls were not fake either. Those feelings were real. Not guilty.

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

I think she could have either not realised she hit him or not realised she’d really hurt him, so her early voicemails are still angry and in the heat of the moment. By 5am she’s realised she could have hurt him and that’s when she becomes more upset. Hitting him could easily fit the pattern of the voicemails, impulsive, drunken anger becomes fearful regret.

[@bn8579]

@@MrsGypsumFantastic so KR was at John’s house by 12:36 am. There’s people who arrived at the Albert’s house after that (proven by text messages) are you saying no one saw JO on the ground? What about those who were leaving? They didn’t see John on the lawn? How can there be no blood under him with the kind of injuries on his arm? Why did the Alberts rip their carpet in the basement? Why didn’t the guy plowing snow see him? The theory of KR hitting him just doesn’t make sense. You’ll have to be gullible to go with that

[@avathemis9878]

Or, by 5 am, she was sobering up to realize that she actually might have, or did, hit him with her car, and she is probably going to be in huge trouble.

[@avathemis9878]

@@MrsGypsumFantastic I completely agree.

[@avathemis9878]

@@bn8579 I think you have be gullible to believe that more than a few cops, from multiple agencies, plus paramedics and a few doctors, and a totally unrelated Celbrite analyst are ALL together on a single conspiracy to frame some person they barely know. It was dark. He was covered in snow, lying flat, and no one was looking for him, in a freaking blizzard. Makes perfect sense.

[@brandiguarino1778]

Toxic relationships can make you yell, say ugly things and act crazy, but it doesn’t mean you would kill them.

[@stacygardner3084]

Are you aware that love drugs and money are the three main reasons for killing

[@pennicochrane8886]

WRONG!!

[@OjKiEmEmFyE]

By your logic doesn't mean you wouldn't kill them either? 😂 literally what your saying is you can't rule out ANYTHING in a toxic relationship.

[@OjKiEmEmFyE]

KR acting crazy accidentally killed? I say accidentally because no possible way she could hit him like that twice in a row Do i think she meant to hit him yes? So i think she meant to kill him? No.

[@cabbastyles.]

THIS 👏🏼

[@slaws2279]

It’s clearly “John, where the f***are you?” Why is this even a debate?

[@TwistOfFate444]

Bc court tv panelists ain’t very bright

[@Harlem1mentality]

I hate how they use motive as evidence of guilt. Instead of using evidence to support the motive.

[@Cindeelouhoo]

Evidence ?!? NO WAY! She was pissed because he wasn’t answering and she thought he was with another girl! I’m more convinced after these messages. All she was is upset that he was using her to watch his kids. Nothing more.

[@Thistledew-ig7xu]

Oh God! another blind Karen follower! She obviously has some serious mental illness going on. Super controlling and was pissed things weren't going her way.

[@JustLikeJulia9]

@@Thistledew-ig7xu 💯

[@sophiapetrillo3008]

That’s what I’m getting from those voicemails 100%. ‘I’m here watching your kids & you’re out all night who knows where with who know who…’ It seems pretty obvious.

[@stevenprice6957]

Yeah ok. That’s why at 5am she told Carrie Roberts John is dead before hanging up. Answer that with a conspiracy theory please.

[@sophiapetrillo3008]

@@stevenprice6957 Tunnel vision isn’t a conspiracy theory.

[@jamesbucks7967]

Y'all need to get you hearing checked "John where the f*** are you?"

[@annied9864]

There morals need checking

[@whitneyhesmer6648]

Those weren’t fake voicemails, she was pissed. She had no idea he was dead. Not to mention the timeline today blew up the CW story anyway.. this trial is a waste of money.

[@Cumdown]

Lol, the timeline matches. The three minutes and flight of steps is bollocks

[@Paula-in5mc]

No way! She knew what she was doing, she was covering her a** that is why she did those calls, don't be naive ....

[@LegendLength]

investigate every level of law enforcement in that state

[@Go_Ask_M0m]

They are trying to audit the Canton PD but it’s been a dumpster fire… it’s so hard to watch. All the city/town halls are available online. One of the Albert’s is on the committee….

[@victorialinnd]

Thank you, her voice sounds way too desperate to have just killed someone. I said earlier if anything, it sounds like after THIS point, she might, but he had already been dead for some time.

[@mondoenterprises6710]

Those are not the calls of someone who just smashed someone to death on purpose. That part of the case is over.

[@collenevanderpool7146]

I hear her say, John, where the F are you?

[@michellethomas8328]

Yes I believe that is what she said

[@Becky2Yutes]

YES!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

Her nightmare is growing. She thought he was just going to get up after she swiped him and keep drinking. She’s in denial. At 5am when she rang Carrie Roberts she said johns dead. Then hangs up. That’s as plain as day she believed he was dead. Guilty.

[@patemaster13]

It's 100% clear that it's "John, where the fuk are you?"

[@juliecarr2465]

I agree.

[@MrYorick271]

This trial illustrates how incompetent a state police department can be.

[@tinamartina1801]

I don't think so 🤔.

[@GPDogDrool]

This isn't incompetence. They are using incompetence as an excuse. These are veteran officers that absolutely know Cop 101 basics. It's straight up corruption.

[@IAmALawyerToo]

Amen

[@joshkeeling82]

Yes. She's still guilty tho. Sadly for John and his family, she'll probably only serve 5-10 years or will be found not guilty on all charges. That would be a tragedy. She's a psychopath

[@sandrabecht4489]

some say "dirty"...... Search "Sandra Birchmore"

[@jstellacc]

She’s very clearly saying “John, where the f are you”

[@rgerelus7250]

John where the f*** are you I hear it pretty clear

[@valcueee7]

Pretty clear to me too

[@Becky2Yutes]

YES!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

She wants him to miraculously get up from her car swipe but unfortunately he couldn’t and didn’t. Thats why she rang Carrie Roberts at 5am and stated John is dead then hangs up. That’s all she said lol. Killer Karen

[@Brooke-bc2iq]

@@stevenprice6957All of these anti-KRs fabricating their own stories. LOL!

[@Go_Ask_M0m]

@@stevenprice6957if you believe the testimony of Ms Roberts… And the only people who have to find her testimony credible is …. The jury.

[@tracy6756]

She thinks he’s in bed with another girl and she’s panicking saying John where the f*** are you. CRYSTAL CLEAR

[@smileface991]

She is panicking. She is realizing she hit him.

[@tracy6756]

@@smileface991 nope

[@mandymags411]

I have left messages on my husband's phone saying I hate you- a lot of people say that to their partner when they are very angry when having a fight. That is absolutely not evidence that she killed him. She was pissed that he wasn't home. She thought he was cheating. Of course she'd say I hate you if she believed that's what he was doing instead of going home.

[@AnnaChristie-vp4ip]

@mandymags No wonder your husband is cheating then.

[@Brooke-bc2iq]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipIf you let your husband disrespect you just say it.

[@shrutefarms4741]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ipgrow ulp

[@mandymags411]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip 🤣

[@mandymags411]

@@AnnaChristie-vp4ip we both did. After 15 years married got divorced for 5. Been back together for 7. We grew up. cheating is for immature couples. At least it made us realize we're the only one for each other. It made us stronger and closer in our relationship

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Let me just say this just because a woman or a man leaves a voicemail saying that they hate that person does not mean they want to kill that person or want that person dead. Y’all are reaching way too far on what she said. I personally would have said way more than what she said, my so-called boyfriend was out, boozing it up with others while I was at home taking care of his responsibilities . He should’ve been at home at a decent time for his niece. I understand that his nephew was overnight somewhere else, but at the end of the day, Jon should have had his ass at home being a responsible parent instead of out, boozing it up while his girlfriend went back to his house.

[@SunnyDays70s]

EXACTLY. She had every right to be raging. Doesn’t mean she wanted him dead.

[@Elle-Elle-C]

100% I left my ex a 'I hate you' message and called him the 'c' word plus a few other choice words (I'd found out he was cheating), did I kill him? No. Did I harm him in anyway? No. When I calmed down I ended the relationship and a few weeks later, filed for divorce

[@RealityBytesBack]

The inaudible VM that KR Left at 5:23am KR Says "John where the F*k are you" What do you think? l listened @30:29 slowed down and and that's what it sounds like to me.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@RealityBytesBack that’s also what I heard

[@shannontimmons5594]

I think her VMs sound genuine like she has no clue where he is.

[@RealityBytesBack]

The VM that KR Left at 5:23am Sounds to me like she Says "John where the F*k are you" What do you think? l listened @30:29 slowed down and and that's what it sounds like to me.

[@shrutefarms4741]

So far I think Karen is prob a repulsive person but not guilty of deliberate homicide. Can’t stand the snide look that is always on her face so it’s hard to like her but if she did hit him, she didn’t mean to. Those messages confirmed it for me. She’s pissed he isn’t home in these messages, not trying to cover her tracks.

[@JackieHorvath]

Why hasn’t Vinnie commented on the fact that the witness that testified about the cell phone completely negated the Commonwealth timeline

[@whiteheart6827]

Exactly.

[@AnnMcHale]

Don't think so-You need GO BACK AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS

[@Stacy-]

​@AnnMcHale - No this comment is correct. They said it happened around 12:45am. That's the time given in opening statements & Jen McCabe said she saw Karen's car still at the house at 12:42am. According to Karen's cell phone data, the prosecution witnesses said Karen's phone automatically connected to John's Wifi at 12:36am. She was already at John's when they claimed this happened & when the witnesses claimed they saw her car parked in front of the house. She made a call at 12:37am when she got to John's too. Someone's data and/or timeline is wrong.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Opening statements are not evidence and the last time I checked, 1232 is around 1245. The evidence is she hit him at 1231/1232 then drove to his house. The only witness to say she saw the car said she couldn’t be certain if the car was still there at 1245 when she sent the last text. She was sure she saw the car the first 2 times.

[@sylerbo]

@sarasmilesco8551 exactly! Also, John's (bless his heart) phone went off the grid (iyw) at that time..12:31 or 2.. being flung under him, somehow.. I can't believe Lally...no visual or re-enactment vid...wth I've seen a few and talk about compelling.

[@StaceyAnne702]

I clearly hear, 'John, where the f&%k are you?' In a desperate, pleading tone...

[@immaculatepeter5529]

Ikr, I don’t know why people are having a hard time hearing it.

[@KM-yh4gh]

I think any man who have dated a woman would not be surprised by messages like this. Whether she hit it unintentionally or not, this sounds typical of women are desperately trying to get in contact with you and you are ignoring them.

[@sandibaker5298]

30:54 I completely disagree with Kevin! To me, it’s clear that she’s saying, “John, where the f$$k are you?”, through tears. In no reality does it sound like “John, was that you?”!!

[@josephinedimercurio5012]

I heard John was that you

[@kitoleummuelotik2411]

Kevin is an absolute doorknob and he will try his damndest to twist anything to fit the CW narrative 😂

[@TRuru.]

She’s really easy not to like. But I don’t think she’s guilty of murder. If it was an accident, the crappy & biased investigation puts plenty of reasonable doubt on any lesser charges.

[@TheDogAndTheBee]

@@trishbender7940Wow, so you think ppl with MS shouldn’t be driving?😂 Yes drinking isn’t good if you have a this type of illness but there are plenty of ppl out there smoking despite having a heart condition, etc. This isn’t a point to be discussed regarding legal charges.

[@trishbender7940]

@@TheDogAndTheBee then don’t drink and drive

[@EagerParaglider-vq1zd]

I think she is setting the conversation up to get people to believe she thought he was cheating when she knew he wasn't home cuz she ran him over!!!

[@B-ch6uk]

I think she was just angry and aggressively drove and didn't mean to kill him. Why else would she say did I hit him?

[@Kat-hn3ki]

53 angry feral voicemails? After killing bf on the lawn of another cop? Karen is not that calculated in whatever she did, that’s for sure…

[@briarharris3136]

That last call is 'John where the F are you?'

[@blipco5]

Why would you send a voicemail AFTER you killed your boyfriend?

[@pennicochrane8886]

To cover her tracks or to see if he was alive, PERIOD!

[@JustLikeJulia9]

Why would you be looking for him so soon after you dropped him off?

[@blipco5]

@@pennicochrane8886 She wouldn’t have left THAT voicemail. Besides, did you not see the video of her car being driven onto the flatbed? The taillight was not nearly completely broken and the Dighton cop said it was only cracked with a small piece missing. Not 47 pieces placed all over the lawn.

[@blipco5]

PERIOD!

[@JustLikeJulia9]

Have you heard of Jodi Arias? She left Travis voicemails after she butchered and killed him!

[@mondoenterprises6710]

People are way too personally invested in this case rather than take an objective view.

[@Scatpack-gw9kb]

I agree it’s like a cult

[@moonknightj5797]

Blame the weird state trooper for looking nudes on a suspects phone. All of their credibility goes out the window because of that.

[@senseiwackadoodle9402]

​@@moonknightj5797Credibility went out of the window when they used solo cups, testified to putting them in an evidence bag, which was a grocery bag, and then those same samples were photographed on the floor of the Sallyport within feet of the Lexus. Not forgetting all the phones being discarded/upgraded and the lack of chain of custody. Its absolutely disgraceful. Why would they not want to investigate John o Keefes death to the highest standard?

[@avathemis9878]

@@moonknightj5797 That does not explain the Karen cult.

[@lilolmecj]

Because this could be any person. If law enforcement can do such a sloppy job, where one of their own is involved every Citizen could be prosecuted with no proof that meets acceptable standards of evidence. I don’t specifically care about her. But I care about corruption culture.

[@plasticity1000]

There will be no premeditation, second degree murder verdict here. The prosecution over charged. The prosecution should have settled for manslaughter. She will be exonerated unless they have a lesser charge inclusion.

[@briarrose29]

Exactly! She totally did it, but there’s too much reasonable doubt to call it premeditated.

[@myztery4934]

@@briarrose29 There is too much reasonable doubt about whether she was even there at the time he was supposed to have been hit at this point. Too many people have said she was there when she was connected to the wifi across town.

[@catherinehargrave9539]

He was using her for a nanny, gaslighting her. She was understandably pissed off.

[@926paaja]

I agree his texts came off as a bit narcissistic to me that cold dismissive tone..

[@shailaja6788]

@@926paaja She really loved him , that is why she tolerated him using her . He wouldn't answer her calls, but needed her for the ride from the bar and expected her to stay at his house over the blizzard wknd.

[@926paaja]

@@shailaja6788 agreed

[@anitagendler3812]

She said “John, where the F-k are you!” It’s very clear!

[@kaitlanquinlan4982]

KR in phone message said “John where the F*** are you? “ that’s what I heard

[@stevenprice6957]

And ? Killers aren’t normal in action or speak. Just looks at Karen now and it shows she’s still unhinged

[@Mom99004]

I give them a 0 for proving she hit him on purpose. Confusing testimony for prosecutor and horrible lead detective. Big fat ZERO

[@8Platinum8]

do you think he could have got side swiped crawled 30 feet and then an animal malled his arm? just curious. i cant tell if she hit or didnt hit but im pretty sure none of it was intentional/ people are like cops would never just drop a body on their own lawn LIKEWISE she would bot commit murder not knowing who could maybe see in front of a home full of and in front of arriving cops

[@HeartStar-uf2tp]

If Karen is so innocent then why did she google “DUI attorney’s”? Surely if the last time you saw your bf walking up the driveway to a house party you would be going to the police demanding an investigation as you had nothing to do with it! She didn’t & instead spent the next several hours covering her tracks. She rang her father 2 times & her mother 2 times at 1am & 4am (what 42 yr old woman would do that , if she had simply dropped bf off at party less than 1 hr earlier) she deleted ring footage (the children, sleeping in their beds certainly didn’t do that) she told Kerry Roberts “John’s not home. I think he’s dead. I think a plow hit him”. 4 separate paramedics at the scene (who have no skin in the game) heard her say “I hit him, I hit him, I hit him”. She put her foot down on her accelerator & held it down for 7 full seconds in reverse after dropping JO off & had been given directions to go past JO’s ex-gf’s house. (KR herself said they had been arguing in the Waterfall parking lot). Proven in court by experts that JO didn’t enter the house (the “steps taken” were recorded during his car ride to 34 Fairview) & within 8 minutes of them arriving at the house all activity from John went dead. Ppl who still think KR is innocent are living in cloud cuckoo land.

[@kerri-lynbryant293]

And she did it as soon as she found out JO'K was dead. LIES!

[@Brooke-bc2iq]

Proctor called her and then she searched for a DUI attorney. I’m glad you’re not a lawyer or have any sort of pull in the legal field because your analysis is garbage. Nobody should be deemed guilty for hiring a lawyer. If she knew she was guilty why wouldn’t she look up “criminal defense attorney” or “murder attorney” ..? You’re ridiculous.

[@bjcbren2]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@926paaja]

It was after the cops talked to her and that doesn’t prove anything which is why it was prohibited A person getting a lawyer is their constitutional right ! It won’t be allowed in trial and it shouldn’t be

[@moonknightj5797]

Glad this guy isn’t a lawyer, holy moly the amount of old white men looking for justice for a cheater, a cop, and probably an abuser

[@guysebastian9072]

I'm so sick of this case. RIP John

[@OneLaw214]

"John wtf are you" it sounds.

[@hanabelle65]

100%

[@Catherine-cj8gp]

Yessss ! That’s what I hear also

[@RoadGoose69]

Exactly what i heard. How this is being misheard as anything else is amazing!

[@stevenprice6957]

Have you ever been in the mind of a killer. Karen read the unhinged one. She wants him to answer. She hopes he answers. Her nightmare is growing. That’s why at 5am she rings Roberts and states John is dead. 5am.

[@Patricia-kz4rl]

That's always a good cover. MANY women who have gone missing had boyfriends or spouses text them asking that question: WHERE ARE YOU? It's a cover. We know she dropped John off, so she was at the house. John got out on the right side of the car then went around the back. It was almost blizzarding, & some people think it would be easy to see him go down & Karen hit him?

[@michken5722]

John , where the eff are you? Is exactly what she has said there.

[@shafarnullifidian8127]

She shouldn't be described as “an accused murderer”! She, at this point, is a defendant, accused of murder.

[@laurenwashington4053]

What’s the difference…?

[@Cumdown]

Low id

[@santiedormehl3042]

​@@laurenwashington4053They didn't proof that she killed him

[@aprilharrison1247]

They are the same thing at this point. You just prefer the latter due to personal bias.

[@ashleydavis5557]

Exactly x I am a fan of Vinny but he has been against Karen from the start x

[@TruthNationUncensored]

She was pissed he wasnt answering.. big deal

[@laniakea2162]

That’s what I took from it too.

[@LisaBush-qb2ic]

Unhinged is more like it

[@helenab7390]

Exactly she already feels angry from him not answering his phone at other times...

[@sophiapetrillo3008]

Not just not answering, but staying out all night, right? Unless I’m missing something, not coming home would be a pretty big deal for any couple.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@sophiapetrillo3008You’re not missing anything. Karen is leaving those messages because she’s at John’s house with his adopted kids & he’s not there. In her mind, cheating. Of course she’s mad.

[@janetleemarino8702]

Karen sounds like thousands of woman a day, including myself, who get pissed off at our significant others when taken advantage of.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Yikes seek help asap. This is not normal behavior

[@Blissfulnessence]

The time Jen Macabre said she saw the dark suv outside- Karen Read's phone showed she was already at O'Keefes home.

[@shannontimmons5594]

After Lacy Peterson died, Scott Peterson left her a very sweet VM about how much he loved her

[@rosg1746]

She was saying she hated him!

[@SunnyDays70s]

@@rosg1746Exactly. The exact opposite of Scott Peterson.

[@RealityBytesBack]

@@SunnyDays70s Yeah she's clearly upset but I think the VMs and the timeline actually support her innocence. If she had just ran over him like the commonwealth is alleging, she wouldn't be calling and leaving angry messages, Which could incriminate her. but rather, Leaving sweet messages trying to create an alibi. The entire case the CW is trying to put forth, just doesn't make any sense

[@lovemylittles4758]

She didn’t cover it up . She sounded like a pissed off girlfriend looking for him . She didn’t know he was dead !

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

On the voicemails Karen says “nobody knows where you are” - how does she know this, had she contacted anyone at this stage? I think she could have well hit him, but there’s not enough information to say whether this was accidental or on purpose. It may have been something she did on impulse in anger, but didn’t think she done any real damage to him. The voicemails start angry, but the 5:23 message sounded like “John where the F are you?” And she sounded more upset than angry, this could be the point when she realised she could have really hurt him.

[@mrs.b6545]

These voicemails mean absolutely nothing, period. I bet most women in the courtroom and in this comment section have called their man giving him hell one time or another. This is not proving anything.

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

It proves her state of mind, angry and full of hate.

[@mrs.b6545]

@MrsGypsumFantastic to me, it only proves anger and toxicity. If I had a dollar for the many times I cussed my husband out, and I would say way worse things than she did . When someone is angry, they are not using uplifting words they are hitting below the belt, but still do not rise to the level of murder .

[@maryh6578]

Some of this evidence should be used to teach youth what types of relationships are bad and can be dangerous. This is not a loving relationship.

[@JustsomeLady232]

Definitely said John where F**k are you. Sounds like someone who is worried about him even if there was a rocky relationship.

[@missyyy-]

Less worried about him and more worried about herself. She didn’t want to be responsible for those kids. Sounds like she had a lot of resentment about him staying out and expecting her to take on his responsibilities. Doesn’t sound like someone who expected him to not get home, that’s for sure.

[@Patricia-kz4rl]

Yea, worried that he might still be alive to tell what really happened. She kept calling not only to make it look like she was worried, but in hope he would answer. He was barely alive when he was found. FOUND BY KAREN, RIGHT WHERE SHE LEFT HIM. Even covered up with snow and the weather so bad, no one (except Karen) could see anything. That's interesting. WHY didn't she have Jen call her brother-in-law to see if John was passed out on the couch? She was at Johns', suddenly woke up and immediately knew "something had happened". Interesting choice of words. Why not "I had a bad feeling"? Because something DID happen. She hit John and left him there.

[@useyourlittlegraycells]

On the VM, she said, “John, where the f*!k are you?!” I had never heard the VM before, but it was very clear to me .

[@SadAmerica1434]

Trooper Gierino better update his pathetic resume. Laughing at Karen’s lawyer, jumping up and down in his seat like a 4 yr old…This is a murder trial not a day at Kindercare. Aunt Beverly should have found him in contempt in front of the victim’s family.

[@926paaja]

And the “kill me” hot mic moment

[@shailaja6788]

He was obnoxious and disrespectful to the victim's family by laughing. Seemed like he was teasing the defense lawyer.

[@MmDisney200]

This voicemails help her more than anything else. She didn’t know where he was, she thought he was cheating… this is not the kind of voicemails someone guilty leaves, someone guilty would leave nice voicemails to cover up… she is not guilty, the commonwealth has not been able to prove anything.

[@BaoVwm4Christ]

If the voicemails are KR’s fake calls after she killed him with her car then she needs to get an Academy Award for best actress.

[@debrarodriguez32]

The ME stated he wouldn't have died right away. My God, he could've been saved 🙏

[@DorothyKeoseian]

She’s saying John where the F are you?come on how can people not hear that

[@tawnyk9568]

Exactly! Makes me question all these people. How can they not hear that! The guy that said he heard “I just want to look at you”. Like come on that’s not what she said

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Because they are trying to hear what THEY WANNA HEAR

[@bianca4931]

Funny how Vinni’s example is Alex Murdaugh…I yet have to see a video putting Karen at the scene of the crime like Paul’s kennel video did for Alex..,give me a break!

[@esmurphy9405]

Good point

[@shrutefarms4741]

Actually, no video but She was def at the scene. She even came back to the scene.

[@erkaderka3571]

​@@shrutefarms4741duh, so were/did several other ppl

[@POKERBEAST25]

Are we serious. She clearly says John where the F are you.

[@ambermuth]

Hard to understand why nobody on the show could hear what all of us could clearly hear. Hope the jury can hear it!

[@2TurntKaren]

2.2 miles at 25mph = 5min 16 seconds - not 7-8 minutes. She’s saying “John… where the fk are you” in the 5am voicemail

[@mandystone3005]

How did he get bruised knuckles, how did he have steps on his app, why did the plow driver not see his body, how did all the people see KR at 12h45 but she was at JO's house at 12h36, How did no one find red glass when first searched but found it after. How did the glass pieces and Hair cling to KR car even after towing, where is the 42 missing mins of footage in the Sallyport and lets not forget the glass staying in JO hand whilst projected 30ft through the air.!! Then I haven't even started on the missing Chloe dog, the floor replaced, the missing phones as well as deleted data and calls from the McCabes and the Alberts phones.!!

[@LynnNeis]

💯 AGREE

[@LynnNeis]

If she is found guilty it’s because the jurors are scared of the corruption in this city and for their own families clear that they framed this lady Karen

[@edwarcandy4648]

She said "John, where the Fuk are you '

[@annepearce2845]

Karen hit him and returned to see if he survived. She knows what happened. It was rage out of control

[@kowgyrl]

I hear, "John, where the F are you"

[@lifepathnumbernine6607]

Kevin is so full of it that it makes me laugh 😅😅😅😂😂😂

[@Crack-is-Wack]

Yellow Cottage Falses

[@mauiswift6391]

Intelligent guy Kevin.

[@stevenprice6957]

He’s probably the only one with guts to state the truth

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

PLEVIN is a sheep 🐑

[@user-jw3ts8ym5q]

@lifepath I actually have to turn Vinnie off occasionally because of Kevin I cannot stand him 😤

[@marzipanrose8664]

Clear as a bell " John Where the F... are you"

[@tiffanycampbell2043]

It’s very clear John , where the f are you” Done

[@adirosesFPV]

She waited for JO outside 34 Fairview rd for ten minutes and JO won't come out... that's why she was so mad sending VM to JO

[@Meowser186]

I am certain she backed into him in a fit of rage, but I don't believe she thought she killed him. Just a flesh wound. To suggest the voicemails help her is an amazing this. It wasn't until she realized that he was not responding to her that guilt kicked in and she raced to the exact location where she hit him. KR was out of control at this point, but she knew where to look for John. Karen admitting guilt many times does not help your spin.

[@hanabelle65]

And I'm certain that you have no clue what you're talking about and that you are willing to base someone's guilt or innocence on nothing more than what your imagination conjures up...just like 90% of the populace.

[@KayOss-zk4ls]

I completely agree. She was drunk. She hit him on purpose but didn't think she killed him.

[@bjcbren2]

She hit him but didn't think she killed him? Why tf would she leave a van asking where the deck he is? Are you people blind to the facts of this case? FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE- wait what evidence?

[@bjcbren2]

Admitting to guilt? I think there's 3 sides to every story. It's clear she said did I hit him? Question form - open your eyes - this entire investigation has been botched and not credible. MSP is a laughing stock.

[@bn8579]

Does she sound drunk to you? How do you explain the arm injury on JO? Those injuries look nothing like a car hit. Where was the blood on the broken taillights then?

[@JaneRumes-xc3ns]

John where the F are you? 100%

[@polls2694]

The last voicemail she says is John where the f- - - are you?

[@stacyssassynails6054]

I hear John where the f÷=k are you

[@Jack-bc5xg]

Who does she not know she dropped him off?

[@smileface991]

Yeah. She sounds desperate. She is realizing she did hit him.

[@makamurphy]

How many times have you swore at your partner for not picking up? Or responding back? Thought so

[@KayXoXo4]

I have. I have left hateful voice-mails too when I feel like he's purposely ignoring me.

[@Petitpois_moi]

Too many times....

[@veronicalass5350]

Never. Always more worried something bad may have happened

[@firecracker2976]

I'm about Karen's age. Mid 40's. I can't imagine yelling and swearing like that on a vm to my partner. I'd be worried and concerned. Not behaving like a young person in my teens or early 20's. They weren't even married. Like come on. Really?

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Never. It’s not normal.

[@aver1967]

So right. Jodi Arias sent ‘loving’ texts and messages after killing Travis. I thought at first this was similar but Jodi was clearly trying to create an alibi. Karen was raw and real. I think it could have been an accident though as she has a paranoid personality, anger management issues and difficulty with impulse control- a very dangerous and tragic combination in her case.

[@user-ji5gz5fu3g]

At least we finally get to see who KR actually is (despite the obvious fake public facade) how she spoke to and about John and the children who have lost their parents, is despicable and we know how she really felt about them. No wonder John wanted to end it with her. Who could blame him.

[@shailaja6788]

She was being used. She didn't want to have her own kids, still she was taking care of his kids and wasn't appreciated at all it seems.

[@user-ji5gz5fu3g]

@@shailaja6788 Yes possibly. As Kerry Roberts said “babysitter with benefits”. If that were the case she should’ve just let him go, instead of hanging on to him and then complaining about it and they really had no ties to each other. Seems he just wasn’t that in to her long term at least.

[@LIVEWIRE117]

HELL, MY WIFE AND I HATE EACH OTHER AT LEAST 4 OR 5 TIMES A WEEK!

[@EmJust]

Yep, it’s definitely ‘John where the fck are you?’ Listen to it slowed down and then double speed it’s not even close to anything else.

[@the9302]

I don't think she did it, at least not on purpose. It sounds like she was struggling with something mentally and thought he was leaving her. If she had known she hit him she would have got him help. I think they probably could of made a case for negligence or something other than intentional murder.

[@LucysMom1]

I heard, “John, where the f*ck are you?!”.

[@five_more_minutes_please]

I'm leaning towards she hit him, but didn't realize it until she sobered up in the early morning hrs. Great episode tonight!

[@holdruss6197]

I used to think that but the bite marks on the arm are the clincher that it couldn't have been her

[@briarrose29]

This is what I’ve always thought too.

[@katrinat.3032]

🎯

[@avathemis9878]

I agree.

[@avathemis9878]

@@holdruss6197 Two forensic medical examiners and an ER doctor say they were not bite marks. They do not look like obvious bite marks to me. There was no canine DNA on swabs of the shirt a dog would have had to bite through. But even if he was bit by a dog, that does not actually prove she did not also hit him.

[@hannahyard3879]

She says, “John, where the f*ck are you?”

[@BGT-tg9zk]

She said, John where the F are you??

[@MrYorick271]

What is the commonwealth is building a case against the McCabes through this trial?

[@Crack-is-Wack]

FBI

[@sheamccorkle7689]

He got to the house earlier. She was home by 12:36. She wasn’t out front at 12:45 like Jen McCabe said

[@camillaSweden]

She said 100% John where the f are you?

[@lauravallejos719]

She said: John where the "f " are you

[@iamnic5613]

She says, John where the f&*k are you?

[@danahsutton101]

If Karen murdered John why would she make herself look bad by leaving angry messages?

[@martinaosullivan1622]

To cover her crime up

[@belindaschrickker4172]

I don’t know…….if I was in a relationship with someone and he’d been killed either by accident or purposely I’d be very emotional reliving this in court. She’s just cold faced…..zero emotion!!!

[@AnnaChristie-vp4ip]

@belinda To be fair, she does have puffy eyes and lines under her eyes. This is a sign of non-stop crying. She does cover this up well though with make up and composure.

[@woodins5833]

They never call him a fellow officer our fallen officer of the police family even if they didn't know him

[@cathflorence761]

😢😢😢😢

[@meldw222]

To be fair, I have heard Mr Alan Jackson not say It either. Repeatedly. You can go back and hear him not address him as Officer. Both sides don't do it thou. Both. I agree he should be addressed as Officer Okeef.

[@freerider7064]

She's saying John where the f__k are you!? Anyway, she accidentally, drunkenly backed him over. How do you all not see this? Hopefully the jury doesn't blindly take sides like the public has.

[@hedykarim3614]

So many people coming in and out and nobody noticed him

[@katelyns419]

So, like the side you just took? Lol

[@freerider7064]

@@katelyns419 haha 😄

[@santiedormehl3042]

You don't like people not agreeing with you?

[@freerider7064]

@@santiedormehl3042 disagree all you want but her crazed, scorned, drunk ass backed him over and even she is in denial bcuz that truth would destroy her. It was a tragic accident.

[@soloton]

She says "where the f are you?"

[@sharonharrison3611]

Vinnie I'd say there was more than a level of rage. Sounds like a LOT of rage in those voice mails! You're so easy on Karen the psycho! Alan Jackson loves the camera. So does Karen! Johns injuries were caused by a big SUV! That's why his head was in such bad condition! Karen Reads SUV!

[@Catherine-cj8gp]

John where the f… are you ? That’s what she said

[@stevenprice6957]

Head spinning around like Linda Blair. Karen stars in the exorcist 😂

[@user-jw3ts8ym5q]

Knock it off Colin 😮

[@alinemichele7486]

Gosh she's got some serious anger issues this woman.

[@Go_Ask_M0m]

Yep. And she may be one of the crazies. That’s wild explain her being in her 40s, no kids, ever married… not to mention the blatant RBF she has …. Doesn’t make her a killer though.

[@alinemichele7486]

@@Go_Ask_M0m Absolutely

[@SunnyDays70s]

You might too if you were being used by a man for sex and babysitting.

[@judygantz1005]

🤔If some of the things i said when really pissed at my boyfriend were brought up on me;; In court based on them.. Oh boy🥶 Id be locked up FOREVER!😅

[@GPDogDrool]

Ditto!! Many of my exes! And they're all still alive!! 😂

[@francescawilliams8177]

If mine to my husband before we got married were to be .😮 girl I think I was a psychopath at that time .

[@Petitpois_moi]

Omg me tooooo...... 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@lilasmith9913]

Yes u acted n left voice mail just like her my my cheating ex is still alive…

[@lilasmith9913]

I left voicemail

[@chadgreen5194]

If your absolutely innocent in this case, your gonna take the stand and because she's guilty I bet she doesn't. I do believe this should be manslaughter charge instead of murder2

[@leanndoolin4284]

That's ridiculous. She doesn't need to take the stand.

[@Paula-in5mc]

The look on her face says it all........guilty, guilty and she was just trying to cover her behind...

[@yassishanti2624]

I don’t believe anything those troopers say. Based on the language they used to reference the defendant, they have a tainted reputation in my mind now.

[@fannygo6673]

Many say that the head trauma shows punches. And the knee confirms it. He may not have fight back, which doesn’t say that someone didn’t punch him.

[@williamgage4825]

We think that this trooper is not an expert nor does he have any integrity...

[@shannontimmons5594]

Attorney AJ is a beast

[@V.Oakley]

It cracks me up when Vinnie says something sarcastic. He looks like he wants to bust out laughing. Wonder how hard it is for him to hold that laugh in..😂😂😂