Modders Get Sonic Generations on Switch Running at 60FPS... So Why Not Sega?

[@abel.6945]

Yeah, they could have gone the Bowser’s Fury route and make it 30fps handheld and 60fps docked.

[@unbiasedfanboy9674]

Agreed. As odd it may seem from reading it, it really is a fair compromise to make in practice. Assuming that the game can run at 60 fps in handheld, they should’ve just let it be 60 across the board, and kept the shadow portion at 30 fps

[@granvillimus]

It does admittedly chug down to the low 40s in the first 3D section of modern Chemical Plant, but it quickly climbs back to 60 and generally remains there after that part through the rest of the stage. That first stretch was always a troublesome area on 360/PS3 too, could even chug some PC's of the time.

[@Mahboishk]

It also drops during the "going down" segment in Speed Highway. Basically it has the same rough patches as the original PC version did. I think those got fixed by fans at some point using a more optimized renderer.

[@RosalinaSama]

those water effects when you slide down that tube always seems to look choppy, even on the new remaster

[@BrotherlyBuildings76]

Still, a low 40 is better than 31.5

[@ElsweyrDiego]

this makes me think... how many games have 30fps cap but could run perfectly fine in 60fps

[@Mahboishk]

On an unmodded Switch without any undervolting/overclocking? Not many. Many Switch games have a hard enough time hitting 30 as is. Generations is a notable exception because it doesn't need overclocking to hit a mostly stable 60, which is why it got this video. But if you're willing to mod your Switch, then many Switch games are capable of running at 60fps. Hell you can run BotW and TotK at 60fps while the console runs cooler and quieter than normal. Nintendo was EXTREMELY conservative in how far they downclocked their chips, probably for the sake of battery life.

[@lifeonmars03]

​@Mahboishk is it worth modding? I have a v1 I don't use

[@Mahboishk]

@@lifeonmars03 Absolutely worth it. It takes some learning to set everything up, but if you know that you have a v1 then you're probably not going to have a problem with that. Modded Switches have tons of cool benefits including overclocking, mods, emulators, homebrew games and apps, and even the ability to install Android or Linux if you're into that

[@faustianblur1798]

Sonic Team Programmer: "I can make the game run at 60fps on Nintendo Switch. Should we enable it?" Sega Exec: "On Nintendo? Never! My honour will not allow it."

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

Lol

[@FilianAfterHours]

Superstars is 60fps…

[@legoboy7107]

I KNEW it was possible to get Generations running at 60 on Switch without too unrealistic levels of work. What the heck, why isn't this in the vanilla release? I was a bit disappointed when it wasn't 60 thinking it should probably be possible, but thought it was at least understandable that they did 30 because 60 would probably require a lot more work, but now knowing that it was possible easily I'm just kinda ticked now. Also vindicated against people who kept telling me it wasn't possible because "tHe SwItCh Is ToO pAtHeTiC aNd WeAk." Because that's another thing, the 30fps release clearly just makes the Switch look worse than it actually is, when no it IS powerful enough to run Generations at 60, and yet because they just decided not to for...reasons, it lead to people dunking on the Switch way more than the system actually deserves. Yeah it's underpowered, but not THAT underpowered.

[@mr.awesome6011]

You'd think developers would put more effort into their games released for one of the best-selling game consoles of all time.

[@sometf2player752]

Shadow generations can run at 60 fps on switch if you put it on performance mode

[@LS_Dash]

@@sometf2player752put it on what?

[@sometf2player752]

@@LS_Dash in the settings there’s a performance mode option

[@MerryBlind]

31.5 fps cap??? WTH Sega?

[@BozQ]

It's a broken cap. It's somehow running the game between 30-32fps, and it looks terrible.

[@MerryBlind]

@BozQ Yeah I bet. Reminds me of their Jet Set Radio port from years ago, which I still play sometimes like on Steam Deck recently. That one has a 31fps cap. Have to force a 30fps cap on it to stop the constant stutter.

[@ArdaU]

@@BozQ they didnt even checked if it is locked 30 fps or not, game developers are soo lazy in 2024

[@furynvm]

I hate when mfs say "SEGA". The games are made by Sonic Team.

[@MerryBlind]

@@furynvm lol okay buddy… do you also react the same way when people mention a game made by “Nintendo” instead of the actual appropriate dev team?

[@FerranoM]

Unravel Two has a optional 720p 60 fps mode when docked, it's that easy!

[@BrotherlyBuildings76]

Sonic Generations has a 60FPS / 30FPS option on the PC, so why not on Switch ??

[@iamnotkurtcobain]

60fps exclusive for Switch 2

[@TheZaius]

Follow the money.

[@69metersbelow25]

The selling point of the system

[@tr3vk4m]

🥱🥱

[@laupoke]

@@TheZaius SEGA has nothing to gain from doing this.

[@TheZaius]

@@laupoke They can always release a Switch 2 version with 60fps as a selling point.

[@OldkidLivegen]

When the Switch 2 will finally be announced, I hope Nintendo will deploy a boost mode for Switch 1 consistent in allowing it to run at max GPU/ CPU and RAM clock speeds.

[@Zomboy4313]

Why would they do that, they’d keep boost mode only for loading and then there’d be a lot of games developers would have to go back and update, and then on top of that there be less of a delta between the Switch and Switch 2

[@PixelacosGameplaysTV]

As many people point out, there are a few drops here and there, but it's pretty stable overall, and it makes up for playing at 720p and 60fps during the game. Also, the 31.5 fps cap is very strange and makes it less fluid than 30fps. After several patches, Sega has not solved it. And I don't know if you knew, but Sonic Superstars runs at 720p and 60fps on handheld mode, while on dock it uses exactly the same graphic settings at the same resolution, when moded to 1080p it can reach 60fps on the 99% of the game. It would have been nice to put dynamic resolution for those levels, or lower those areas to 900p, or something like that. There are things with Sega that are difficult to understand.

[@davidaitken8503]

This reminds me of that early Bomber Man game for Switch. The game initially released 1080p 30fps. It was actually a little irritating keeping track of such fast moving characters. They later patched the game to run at 720p 60fps and it was much better.

[@weebsquit347]

It's not the first time they give the Switch version the shorter end of the stick. TSR, which no one plays, didn't have the cinematic intro because space reasons supposedly. Samba de Amigo Party Central had a story mode on Apple Arcade instead of switch

[@Dentantje]

I'd buy it on Switch if it was 60 fps, I don't want to buy it on any other console so I'll pass on it.

[@JR-rm4nw]

Specfically they're probably using ReverseNX to use portable mode visuals while docked. System clocks are heavily downgraded in portable mode normally but this allows you to use the docked clocks when running portable mode. So in a way this is kinda an "overclock" but not really. Seems like an easy patch from Sega to add a graphics or performance mode to the game though.

[@garyoneil9791]

To make a fake upgrade for switch 2?

[@rvalent9366]

60fps on dock and 30fps handheld... that simple...

[@environm3ntalist549]

No. Why on earth would it be lower on handheld?

[@kuroinova2056]

Probably best to put a toggle.

[@Whe3lz]

@@environm3ntalist549to save battery life obviously.

[@GoodlyPenguin]

​@environm3ntalist549 To save battery life. A lot of games do this with resolution, specifically all the Xenoblade games. They do dynamic resolution in both handheld and dock modes, but the game's resolution goes down to sub 500p on handheld AND dock since the game would run like absolute garbage, along with the battery degrading

[@environm3ntalist549]

@@GoodlyPenguin yes of course but reducing to 30fps seems silly given the performance difference. yes of course reduce the resolution, you are playing on a small screen it doesn't matter. If they are going to bring 60fps to sonic on the switch then at the very least they'd have a toggle to choose. Anything else would be madness.

[@PhantomHarlock78]

Try Sonic Mania 240p mod for Wii on CRT.

[@sheepytina_misc]

I had no idea that existed! I know what I'm trying later.

[@KyleVoices]

Considering how long we had to wait for the release after announcement, you’d think they would have figured how to get 60FPS on Switch.

[@hanzohasashi8323]

Playing on my phone with an emulator, 1080p 60 fps Docked.

[@ShadowFoxInfinite]

It's almost like the hardware was always capable and it's up to the SOFTWARE to take advantage of it...🤔

[@davion4777]

Of course, the Switch is fully capable of running Generations on 60fps. Shadow Generations though… probably not. Just because of the overworld. So SEGA probably opted to offer consistency between the two games. Of course, it’s still bs, because they totally should have offered an option to toggle 60fps at least in Sonic Gen, but oh well.

[@ArielEspanto]

They have to make the screen 1080p. I have ran into too many games where 720p's aliasing was very chunky, and I had to manually increase the resolution since TAA failed to resolve cleanly. Think of it like this; 720p is absolutely fine downsampled, but 1080p also makes the game less jaggy and blurry without downsampling.

[@Leo-vn5mn]

The game was designed around 720p in 2011 without TAA. Im confused why it wouldnt work to have the original AA used while having a 60fps enhancement

[@Mahboishk]

@@Leo-vn5mn Even lower, as the original PS3/360 versions render at 880x720, which is nearly 1/3 fewer pixels than real 720p (1280x720)

[@TheGohthecrow]

Even shadow generations on ps4/ps4 pro/x1/x1x are capped to 30 fps. Ps5 & xsx are the only consoles that can do 60 fps but on "performance" mode.

[@SAAZERGER.ItActulyHasToBeMyOwn]

docked performance mode, and handheld optimized mode.

[@Howwy191]

That absolutely needs to be at least an option for the player to choose

[@Zomboy4313]

I was really confused when the game came out and it was 30, I knew the switch has the GPU horsepower to do it compared to the 360 and PS3 so it’s weird why they didn’t

[@evdestroy5304]

Probably for consistency with Shadow Gens

[@supersmashmaster43]

Well Shadow gens is 30fps as well on PS4, Xbox One while Sonic gens is 60fps

[@KoalaTContent]

Generations is an Xbox360 and PS3 game. The Switch is more powerful than both. No reason this shouldn't be default

[@MonderMatrix]

it is a fast paced game and the choise between better quality or higher FPS should be there. but this shows how much nintendo cares about graphics.

[@no_misaki]

Nintendo had no hand in this rerelease.

[@MonderMatrix]

@no_misaki i don't see them allowing the developers to have graphics options, that is 100% not allowed by Nintendo, i don't find such options ever on Nintendo switch.

[@erickpenate3038]

Pennys big breakaway on switch has visual and performance modes​@@MonderMatrix

[@MirtaTroyer]

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[@DJLizardon]

Yeah, go to a bank

[@ironwolf677]

I literally bought the game on PS5 just because I wanted the 60fps. I really wanted it on switch but the 30fps are a deal breaker.

[@jptellsyou]

The Nintendo Switch is faster than the PS3 and Xbox 360.

[@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss]

It’s closer to a ps4 than anything. The Wii U was already more powerful than the ps3/360 gen and the switch is significantly more powerful than the Wii U was. It’s not quite as powerful as a ps4 / Xbox One but it’s definitely the closest in terms of generation.

[@Dreadnoughty]

But not that much

[@Cade_The_Squirrel]

Not exactly the PS3's CELL still outperforms the Switch's CPU but in terms of raw GPU power the Switch is probably quite a bit more powerful.

[@faustianblur1798]

@@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss while the feature set is the same modern DX11+ as the PS4, the Switch's GPU is much closer to the Wii U in terms of raw power.

[@acwbit2368]

@@Cade_The_Squirrel im pretty sure the tegra X1 has a better IPC so its faster regardless of clocks

[@isaacgomez-everythingrevie6955]

Modders do Links awakening at 60 fps next. Im sure it can be done without overclocking the switch also. Just lazy developers sometimes is my guess.

[@Mahboishk]

They can be fixed easily, but it requires overclocking. Specifically, that engine suffers from some strange memory bandwidth bottleneck, so simply overclocking the RAM will fix most performance issues.

[@finalrush7]

dark1x with some OBVIOUS errors..

[@jahjab1226]

Reminds me of Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate on Switch. The game runs at 1080p 30fps but if you lower the res to 720p and remove the frame cap, it runs at 60 fps without overclocking.

[@LS_Dash]

No one asked about that stupid ass anime game.

[@Kamisei85]

Good question @sega

[@Ary7861]

I think they did it to make shadow gens not feel slower.

[@staycguy]

Sonic generations is still 60 frames 4K on the Xbox series X and I’m talking the original 360 version. I’ve never bought the New remastered because there’s no point because if you own the 360 version you have Microsoft software boost which makes it 60 frames.

[@XP9724]

Shadow generations and the movie dlc is the reason to buy it. Plus it looks much better than Sonic gens

[@spongebobfan78]

I'm pretty sure that the 360 original on Series X is broken on some areas like a shortcut in Chemical Plant Act 2 straight up sends you to your death.

[@playbossthebest936]

​@@spongebobfan78 can confirm. It's not a stable version

[@Player_circle]

​@@playbossthebest936 but for the cheap price it was worth it

[@playbossthebest936]

@@Player_circle if you disable fps boost you still keep the 4K, there's still value on offer

[@ZBC2003]

Lol, it's 3d World not 3d Land, also the definitive version of this game is the PC version.

[@elijahthekid_]

It's because Sega hasn't hired them yet

[@Rickrevan01]

I mean idk why were pretending the switch is not outdated hardware at this point it's a 2017 console if you wanna play it the best way just play it on ps or Xbox

[@TheDahveeed]

These crooks are definitely holding out to give an "upgrade" for Switch 2. This makes me mad I bought it

[@skycloud4802]

Makes me glad I can probably play this full speed on the Steam Deck. I'll have to check (it's in my Steam Library).

[@TheDahveeed]

@@skycloud4802 fair enough. At least I actually own it though

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

For sure they favored 1080p over framerate, or else people would have flip a shit and say 720p in 2024? Unacceptable. Lazy. You cant win with these people,

[@XP9724]

Most switch games run around 720p including Sonic games

[@chris42069]

People bought MGS HD Collection which was a straight port of 360/ps3 code, 720P

[@mikeuk666]

​@@XP9724you're confusing handheld mode with docked

[@XP9724]

@@mikeuk666 no I'm not, Sonic forces and frontiers ran at sub 1080p 30fps

[@Mahboishk]

@@XP9724 A lot of Switch games run lower than 720p, honestly a locked 720p is already pretty damn good image quality for a 3rd party Switch game. I think 1080p wasn't the right choice for this game. It's sharp, but still looks very jaggy due to the complete lack of anti-aliasing, and it hits the framerate HARD. (When uncapped on Switch without any oc, Gens runs at about 30-50fps at 1080p, and mostly locked 60fps at 720p)

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.

[@Voooodooooo]

Guys , 64hz and 64fps on 8-9W TOTK is base for modded switch on 4fir , try to make research 4FIR , every game run 60fps with stock or lower power

[@mikeuk666]

Not on all of the map on totk

[@Voooodooooo]

@ just say what location u want to see with stable fps and I show it to u in instagram/telegram 🤗

[@mikeuk666]

​@@Voooodooooo seen it still drop but go you 😂

[@Voooodooooo]

@@mikeuk666 It's all just words, I'm telling you, you can tell which section of the map is not going to 60fps, I'll turn on the status monitor where you can see fps in real time, and you'll see everything yourself🤗

[@michaelmayers3622]

Cool to see but it’s a mod not intrested

[@zakiddoAAA]

I'm running this 60 fps on Switch Lite and it's amazing

[@2fernandoc1]

How consistent is it?

[@spiritmacardi9300]

Sega intentionally making a game worse? Naw, that never happens!

[@HyperbloomBM]

battery life?

[@wiiownsps3and360]

How’s it on steam deck my doods?

[@blueslime1980]

Sonic Team made this game NOT Sega.

[@markvicferrer]

Skill issue

[@spartanq7781]

The Switch can handle Metroid Prime remastered in beautiful graphics and 60fps. There is no excuse for this.

[@cyanokhaar]

Stop the cap!

[@tr3vk4m]

Sega does what Nintendon't. They _suck_

[@TechnoSyndro]

Rich brings up giving the user the choice between 30 or 60fps on Switch, but does Nintendo allow that? Has there been a Switch release with graphics options to choose between like most PS and Xbox games have these days?

[@Mahboishk]

Technically every game on Switch has two performance modes, one for portable and another for docked. Very few if any have dedicated performance vs fidelity modes though, as that choice started with Sony/MS's mid-gen hardware refreshes (PS4 Pro and Xbox One X)

[@sonicthomasgamer]

3RD Party game Pennys big breakaway

[@elederanjo26]

Fire Emblem Warriors launched with this option in 2017

[@cosbusta]

"It was an artistic choice."

[@sonicthomasgamer]

“Cinematic experience” “Cartoony/anime experience”

[@rvalent9366]

just an other proof that series S isn't "weak" and "holding back" gaming, it's just laziness from "devs"

[@faustianblur1798]

Who mentioned the Series S? It's a PS360 game.

[@y-stylzz]

@@faustianblur1798 Nobody did, but both the Series S and Nintendo Switch are seen as weak hardware that hold back gaming, so it fits the conversation.

[@WH250398]

"This 2011 game running on a 2017 console is clear proof of that" ??????????????????????

[@y-stylzz]

@@WH250398 Yes, this video proofs that Sega was too lazy to get a 2011 game running at 60fps on a 2017 console. But sure, keep blaming the hardware.

[@RoboP]

This is the same SEGA who decided to give colors ultimate a 30FPS limit for the Switch version. It's weird.

[@Mahboishk]

Colors Ultimate was just a really incompetent port in general, though, and it was made by a different dev. Playing on a modded Switch, I believe it's actually harder to get 60fps in Colors Ultimate than it is in Generations

[@richardfranklin6003]

I'd say it is fairly obvious, they capped it so it matches Shadow Generations.

[@ctpp64]

pretty sure ps4 and xbox one have sonic gens at 60fps and shadow gens capped at 30fps tho

[@spencermaley4390]

Fans have also managed to figure out how to alter Classics Physics in such a way that better emulates the genesis games. Needless to say, this wasn’t implemented in any version of the remaster, so we still don’t really have Classic Sonic in Generations. Then again, the ROM of the Switch version is available online, so it’s in the modders hands now 👀

[@kaobunn]

why would you want him to control like the genesis games in level design that is built around the overpowered spindash?

[@memoryman3586]

Similar to Series S, the Switch’s handheld GPU probably couldn’t hack it. Sonic Generations also has game speed tied to FPS.

[@Masa-san]

Did you even watch video? And it's dynamic speed, only what I did is remove fps lock.

[@djtomoy]

sega know what they’re doing, please allow them to tell their story 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@orijimi]

This is the most pathetic comment I've seen in a while.

[@deathtrooper2048]

Even when all sega has to do is nostalgiabait, they still mess it up.

[@evdestroy5304]

This game came out running at sub-720p at 30 fps. The game is not ruined by having a lower framerate cap on one system.

[@ctpp64]

sure worked fine for me

[@mstrthief00]

Nintendo will get you all

[@MetaGamingDojo]

Sega is trash

[@HyperSonicXtreme]

Sonic X Shadow Generations sold over over 1,000,000 copies Cap