Nikon Z6 III - Dynamic Range (With Canon R5C / Blackmagic 6K Full Frame Comparisons)

[@andrewmason8691]

A lot of people will get their nickers in a knot about this video. But I think it’s important we know all the strengths and weaknesses of our cameras.

[@rumenalexandrov]

Thank you for that test! In my opinion the Z6III doesn’t shine in 1 particular thing, but it’s does really good in everything, which is why actually a good camera. It’s a 6k camera, with great video capabilities, raw, autofocus, IBIS and more! There are cameras in that price range that can beat the Nikon in some of these categories, but non doing them all good :)

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Dynamic range is only one capability of a camera. Thanks for watching!

[@longrider9551]

I use Sony this is true of all brands, pick your poison ✌✌

[@Abdi_Mohamed_]

A $2500 face off would be cool (Panasonic s5iix VS A7IV VS R6ii VS Z6iii) That DR hit will put a lot of people off especially since the Z6iii is the new kid on the block

[@danielvilliers612]

Yep, I am a bit disappointed we went backward in some ways. I have a Z9 and on the CineD latitude test, which I consider the true real-life DR test, it scored very well. I was hoping at least equal DR, the Z9 beats the Canon 5RC and a little bit the Blackmagic camera. I wanted to have a 6k camera, rather than a 8k one, as the raw is ginormous. I hope they do a lattitude test their soon, one thing I find strange here is that the 10 bit log here, equals the RAW one, as their has always been about 2 stop difference between the two as the Nikon log is very contrasty.

[@m0nztam0nk]

@@Abdi_Mohamed_ ever since switching to Sony a7s3 4 years agao i obsessed so much over DR…then i realized, that the 3 Stops in the shadows of Sony SLOG3 are so void of colour and Quality, i usually crushed them to black in the grade… Honestly, now i value internal RAW and bit depth a lot more, Such high DR doesnt usually result in a good image really (as it usually only serves to salvage a bad exposure to begin with), and filming & grading with more of a intentional contrast is more beneficial. Also, im mostly a wedding filmmaker, so mixed light scenarios are usually a much bigger challenge, as it creates terrible skintones, esp. in Sony, these scenarios tend to come out a LOT better in raw, also Party-Lights at night are so much better…. So i LOVE superhigh DR, as its stress-free, but Raw, even with less DR, is even better imo. Nikons HL-Rolloff and Colour in NLOG, esp. with S-Series Glass is an absolute stunner, so im quite happy..

[@m0nztam0nk]

@@danielvilliers612 i will say this test seems outrageously bad and i have a feeling the raw processing might be at fault for part of it…in Gerald Undones test (usually comparable to cine-D) the z63 6k on 4k timeline with some NR came out to the same DR as A7s3 (12.9 Stops), that mirrors my shoot last sunday in the park with harsh sun, that felt identical to the a7s3 ive shot for 4 years…. (Easily handled Blazing sun IN frame with proper skintones in the shadows with excellent rolloffs) Here the test looks like 9-10stops max, so not sure about the raw conversion here, sonething might be off…

[@danielvilliers612]

@@m0nztam0nk Might be Nikon log raw workflow which is very bad. I don't know why Nikon doesn't change this. As in Gerald test, just changing the log from Nikon to panasonic it gained half a stop in the imatest test. My problem in this test is that the Raw is about the same as the 10 bit Log, which itself is known to be very contrasty compared to other log.

[@peterra2532]

@@danielvilliers612I feel that his test was not done correctly. It is impossible for the latitude between 10bit and 12bit n-raw to be very similar. I have the z8, which in my opinion is above the r5c and the bmcc 6k in terms of DR in raw, and seeing Gerald Undon's results on the z6iii, I think that the nraw of the z6iii should be similar to the z8 . I did some tests with the files that Nikon lets us download and it confirms that it is quite similar to the z8. I have the z8 and a lumix s5iix, I'm thinking of selling my s5iix for the z6iii.

[@madsonit]

This is the test I was waiting for. Thank you so much! Can't believe I actually considered after other KZbinrs "first impressions" "reviews" that the Z6III could be the hybrid that can make me leave the BMCC6K at home. It doesn't even come close. I wish it did. BMCC6K the most underrated and misunderstood camera out there.

[@intrinsicimagery]

So you consider the BM to be a hybrid camera?

[@madsonit]

@@intrinsicimagery nope. I consider the BM to be a camera I want to film with and I’m willing to accept carrying it next to a stills camera as there is no other hybrid that can do what the BM can do on the video side. I haven’t found a hybrid camera that can do both photos and beat or get close to the BM on the video side. I wish there was one though.

[@_burd]

Yea I'm genuinely impressed with the Pocket 6k FF from an image quality perspective!

[@NickDelDuca]

The Z6iii has a pretty severe dynamic range problem... Not just in video, photos too. The dynamic range is worse than 2016 Sony APS-C mirrorless. 10.44 stops.

[@madsonit]

@@NickDelDuca insane. Maybe pdaf + partially stacking the sensor created those issues. Pretty crazy considering Nikon also made D850, which has of the best sensors ever put in a camera.

[@AndreiDimaReviews]

Nice videos! One thing I noticed is that the Nikon Z6III footage seems to have a shallower depth of field. This can cause bloom, where bright areas of an image bleed into the surrounding darker areas, impacting the dynamic range. I observed a similar effect in your ZF test as well. This can also affect sharpness. Can you please share what lenses and f-stop you used for these tests.

[@tonio3289]

Thank you Josh. Let's hope that Nikon soon improves the nlog perhaps by integrating the red code.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. I look forward to seeing the RED technology get incorporated into future Nikon cameras, but I think it's going to be a while. Thanks for watching!

[@EhtashamAnwar]

Thank you, after watching this, I have decided to keep my R5c for another year or so 😊

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@johndoe-bt3ou]

Wtf 😭😭, why would you even consider the Z6iii if you have a camera as wonderful as the R5c already

[@EhtashamAnwar]

@@johndoe-bt3ou not R5c for z6iii but instead R5c for z8 and z6iii as a Bcam. Basically was planning to switch the whole system. Canon not allowing 3rd party lenses is the main reason. Was waiting for z6iii as can’t afford two z8 bodies at the moment but after seeing the dynamic range on z6iii, have decided two wait for another year or so.

[@danielvilliers612]

@@EhtashamAnwar On CineD you have test of Z9, and go beyond the DR imatest test at the top, the latitude test is very revealing, the Z9 scores very highly in DR.

[@JojoJoget]

@@danielvilliers612not really, its pretty on par with the other mirrorless, the only ones that’s really above are Arris

[@SMOOTTHH1]

@Josh Sattin Thank you for posting this video. I am a Nikon shooter, but to me, the Blackmagic Camera seems to be the best for video. It's a shame that the Canon R5C has banding problems, as it would otherwise be a good hybrid camera that I could see myself using. I shoot mostly stills with very little video, but I also want to buy something with good video quality. I think I'll opt for the Nikon Z8 rather than the Z6 III. Although the Z8 may not be the best for video, according to your videos, it's definitely good enough for KZbin. I also considered the Sony A7RV, but its ergonomics don't work for me-it's just too small for my hands. Thanks again taking the time to post these videos. ✊🏼👊🏼🙏🏼

[@Josh_Sattin]

You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@TylerEdwards]

Once again, the Blackmagic shines in these tests haha. Crazy how good BM cams are

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

800 on that cam is fantastic. The z63's second base of 4000 is far more usable than the Blackmagic tho...

[@Josh_Sattin]

FYI, the second base ISO of the Z6III is 6400.

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

@@Josh_Sattin oh. I figured it was similar to z8. that's good to know.

[@bmefilms6879]

@TylerEdwards PREACH!!!!

[@nigerian-nightmare]

For low light z6iii, but anything below iso 3200, I will grab black magic.

[@cyrusperry6482]

Thank you Josh for another educational and well thought out video. I love seeing the side by side comparisons 😆🤙🏽

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@dannydiazphoto]

Hey Josh! I always learn something new, thanks for all you do! :)

[@Josh_Sattin]

You’re welcome. So nice to hear. Thanks for watching!

[@myownfriend23]

Just for future reference, the highest quality recording mode on BMD cameras is Q0 not 3:1. Q0's compression ratio can be as low as 2:1 or as high as about 4:1 so it will hover around 3:1 for average detail frame. For higher detail images (like noisy images) it will bump the bitrate up above that.

[@alansarpy]

Great Video Josh... Love how Nikon is pushing the envelope...

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks Alan!

[@alansarpy]

@@Josh_Sattin Can't wait to see how sony Counters this... You mean I can pay 2500 bucks and get full frame @60fps :) not to mention all the other features ... !! This Camera really has to be a industry disturber

[@maxxh2197]

hey josh, maybe it has been asked already, but how does the z6iii DR compare to the Z8? And how does the Z8 stack up against the blackmagic 6k ff? Great video btw, finally someone who tests DR in a realistic way!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I can't give a definitive statement about cameras that I haven't directly tested against each other in the same testing environment. I tested the Z8 against the Komodo and R5C but didn't test it against the BM6KFF kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYbWmZShltSmacU

[@verityfilms3539]

Man I love the R5C, only gotten better over time.

[@amitdutta8768]

Thanks Josh. Very nice comparison. It appears Z6iii lags a bit in dynamic range in extreme under/over exposures. Do you think it is a worthy camera for landscape and astro-photograhy ?

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. I do very little photography so unfortunately I can't give you much advice with those things. Thanks for watching!

[@cammackey]

That green cast is a bit weird. Would love to see a segment in these videos where you use noise reduction! Using noise reduction in post can do some really crazy stuff when stretching dynamic range. Like night and day with some cameras. Like specially seeing the Z6 vs the R5C in raw, you can see there’s way more color info but more noise.. curious if post NR would make it surpass it

[@Josh_Sattin]

Yeah, but I have seen that green chroma noise in the shadows of other Nikon cameras. I'm still getting settled into Resolve so please shoot me some NR settings that I should try out for future videos.

[@andrewmason8691]

@@Josh_SattinHave you used Neat before as a noise reduction plugin? Thanks your videos.

[@cammackey]

@@Josh_Sattin I’ll send ya a text!

[@MARZILLI]

Cam is a G nice to see you guys talking… The z8 has more dynamic range than the Canon R5C and far more than the Nikon R6iii that surprised me…

[@m0nztam0nk]

@@Josh_Sattin ive also felt the Nikon fared very, very badly in the DR test... have you tried grading it via NLOG? That limits DR a bit more bec. it cant hold more then 12 Stops afaik... Davinci Supports Linear Raw development where you can then convert it to Arri LogC for instance and get a bit more DR... maybe worth a try?

[@tifose30]

thank you for this, great work

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@YOUAREMYKIN]

Thanks for sharing this test, Josh! Am happy with my R5C. Nice to be reminded of what a powerful camera we have. You should send this to Canon! Hopefully they’ll give you some special treatment, advance camera viewing, testing etc.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@MrJohnofficial]

Is the dynamic range of the Z6III be better than the Lumix S5 (V-log)?

[@kubagorajek1365]

hey Josh, thanks for the video. What was the ISO used in the cameras?

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. All were shot at their base ISOs: Z6III - 800 R5C - 800 BM6KFF - 400

[@waynesaladine9937]

Great content. From all your testing, what video camera would you say has the cleanest shadow recovery in 2024? For example, clients love the look of bright interiors with clear windows when shooting real estate interiors, which shows what they can see with their eyes, which we can get in bracketed photos. However, achieving this in the video is almost impossible without balancing the lighting due to dynamic range limitations. What would you say handles this situation the best besides the iPhone, which can be gimble mounted?

[@edowijaya8603]

Thankyou for compare z6iii with r5c

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@hugomouteira7015]

And thats the disadvantage about the semi stacked sensor. You win on thebrolling shutter and lose on DR 😢

[@benedekhorvathpianist]

is it because of the sensor? z6 or z6II has better DR? how is it compared to z8? Or n-log is not a very good log compare to others? or both?

[@hugomouteira7015]

​@@benedekhorvathpianist yes. Z6III has a new sensor and shutter mechanism. Thats thebonly area where the classic Z6 and Z6II win, Dynamic Range. Z6 III os way better in AF and Rolling Shutter. Besides, you can recod in RAW and in 6k and 4K 120 fps, the Z6 and Z6ii can only record RAW 4k with external monitor and you need to pay NIKON for that license

[@MTBD80]

Having a Z6 I and Zfc I would totally trade that lil bit of dynamic range hit for the faster readout of this sensor.

[@nigerian-nightmare]

But fuji xh2s has a full stacked sensor with 14 stops of usable dynamic range. Probably over two stops more than z6iii.

[@andersistbesser]

Ja nikon just made a bad sensor ​@@nigerian-nightmare

[@ktcool4660]

Please do read out speed & the effects of the rolling shutter.

[@Josh_Sattin]

I definitely plan on doing that in future videos. Thanks for watching!

[@nightowlnzab]

This data has been measured (Horshack), to get a faster readout or less rolling shutter than the Z6III, you pretty much have to go to a stacked sensor camera.

[@marcelkrownmotorworks9842]

Thx for this awesome Test. Honestly, I really don't know what to think about the Z6 III. On paper, it seems to be an awesome camera. RAW, 120 FPS, Rolling Shutter etc. But the more I watch reviews about this Camera, the more I am unsure about the Z6 III. Awesome specs, but it does not convince me. It seems like, either choose the Z8 or A7 IV and trade in the Sony for the A7 V, when it is released in 2025.

[@martinfitzpatrick7552]

Thanks for the video Josh. I’m curious to find out how Nikons h265 codec runs on your timeline? Does you machine struggle with it? Many thanks.

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. I haven't had any issues editing the H.265 in Resolve. I am using a maxed out M1 Max Mac Studio.

[@Tmk969]

it's 420, so it's even lighter h265

[@petercofrancesco9812]

I like your approach enough detail to get the gist of it. Nikon under low light has more noise and a green tint, and it generally has less dynamic range. That being said in the real world you can get beautiful results when not pushed to extremes as you demonstrated when you filmed sunset with the loaner. It was interesting that there wasn't DR difference between Nikon formats, I'd probably opt for the compressed format since I didn't see that much of a difference to justify using raw. While BM is the clear winner with superior IQ & DR you pay for it with lack of stabilization, auto focus, battery life, ergonomics, large files sizes, and DaVinci Resolve workflow. So it's personal decision whether ease of use or IQ is the priority.

[@Mvil9]

Any chance you redo this test with the Z6III using the Black Magic Video Assist compared to the black magic FF?

[@hoani_goivideos5615]

Hi, great video! I often use ND filters, that helps a lot right?, I've never had any particular problem with the dynamic range, even with my old Lumix g9s for example.

[@DanceDeepDas]

Good Honest review

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thank you so much!

[@HVRIS]

You know what, Nikon Z6 mk3 vs Fuji XH2s would be a sick comparison since these 2 are pretty much price matched with very close specs 👀

[@Josh_Sattin]

Yeah that would probably be a good comparison but I wanted to use full frame cameras for these tests. Although I haven't tested the Z6III vs the X-H2S, I would be fairly confident that the X-H2S has more dynamic range. Thanks for watching!

[@HVRIS]

@@Josh_Sattin thank you for the speedy and insightful response. Really helpful ✌🏼

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome!

[@adnan_velic]

Dude the xh2s has a ridiculous amount of dynamic range and it’s honestly the main aspect of what makes the image so great on that camera. It’s the only thing keeping me with the xh2s. How do you compare the fx3 dynamic range to the xh2s?

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@adnan_velic kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqO5gpWhmtuigrs

[@michaelmalodrums9674]

Who’s going to shoot 5 stops over or under though . So in the end what’s the actual differences ??

[@Josh_Sattin]

I explain this in the video.

[@NickDelDuca]

We are learning that the big compromise on the Z6iii to hit this price point with all the other features was dynamic range. It's this sensor. It's fast but has horrible DR performance. And it's not just in videos, it's in photos too. Photons to Photos rated the DR of the sensor at 10.44 stops for photos. They have a very extensive and accurate method of testing. That's worse than the APS-C cameras Sony was releasing in 2016.

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

The banding on the canon is a major issue imo when trying to preserve dynamic range and protect highlights. I haven’t run Into the green noise really testing my z63, and I’ve found the noise present when protecting highlights pretty easy to suck out. Seems fairly on par with the z8 to me? For what it’s worth, in the cine D tests, the r5 and r5c both performed really poorly on dynamic range, when in craw, but then faired much better when in their non raw codecs. Something similar I think is happening on these Nikon cams, where nraw just is a bit shadow weighted, and noise reduction is needed to fully extract the most info out of the cam if shooting raw. Def curious about your green casts tho, as imo the z63 noise performs better than the z8 on the noise reduction side.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Yeah the banding on the R5C is not good. There have been a lot of firmware updates on the R5C over the past two years and one of them made some changes to the highlight performance and dynamic range in Clog3. I assume the CineD tests were done a while ago. I can't really comment too much about the Z6III vs Z8 since I don't have the Z8. I did test out the Z8's dynamic range in this video though: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYbWmZShltSmacU

[@ElementaryWatson-123]

I didn't see a controlled test with calibrated light and known good charts. And I didn't notice how many stops of DR you have measured from your test, or how much read noise.

[@andrewkitto9726]

would love a Nikon z8 vs BM FF test

[@lawrose4]

So would you guess, or do you know, if still photos would look the same? Thanks for the review on video.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I can’t comment on the photo capabilities since I pretty much only shoot and test video.

[@lawrose4]

@@Josh_Sattin , right, and I'm only a stills photographer who has had the Z61 and now has the Z62. From what I see, the new Z63 doesn't offer much to still photography other than improved low light focus (maybe) and better stabilization (again maybe) - but no improvement in high ISO noise or dynamic range. In short, no improvement in the actual photos. So I am holding off for now. I don't want to get invested in the new Z63 only to find out that it is not an improvement - and some tests say it is not as capable of dynamic range and high ISO noise - as the camera I have now. Thanks again for your video.

[@nightowlnzab]

There is no outright image quality improvement, for stills it’s mostly about the faster readout speed delivering much better autofocus and usability improvements, low rolling shutter making electronic shutter quite usable in more situations, 20FPS RAW, a great viewfinder, plus the new VR (focus point), pre capture and high res multishot etc. These might not be for you, and that’s fine- but lots of people are going to be very happy with these improvements for stills.

[@lawrose4]

@@nightowlnzab and for these reasons, and because it has been 4 years since I started using my Z62, I decided to buy a Z63, arriving this morning. I am sure it will be a wonderful camera in its own way.

[@DXAMedia]

Dynamic range is great. But since I try to work on HDR videos I found that dynamic range is not most important part. Revolution for me was to use HDR monitors (at least 1000nits, not just one with HDR logo on the box). if before dynamic range was just a hidden data helping recovering highlights in photoshop. Now once I see all the range it looks amazing. But I am not able to deliver it to viewing displays. For now 10bit photo formats are not widely adopted, even mobile phones able to display them, not fb/ig. You shoot HDR (photo or video) and then upload in SDR for online media. Maybe only exception is KZbin, there you can use HDR(sadly not in shorts). After all no dynamic range replaces good light setup of the scene. It may save some highlights shooting in field. Something good to have, and forbid mistakes during filming. Viewing technology still way behind recording.

[@gurpreetsandhar]

Thank you Josh for making the comparison video, Could you please test if we could fix greenish shadows using tint slider towards magenta without too much artifacts since its a raw data.

[@CanaryFilmPro]

Hello Josh! When you do a lumix gh7 review? I'm very interested in that camera and especially in the way you do it..😊

[@Josh_Sattin]

I would love to. Unfortunately I reached out to my contacts at Lumix, but they refuse to get back to me. I will have to wait until the camera ships and then maybe I can borrow it from B&H to test it.

[@ST-fl5fy]

@@Josh_Sattinwhere does the R6II fall in with it?

[@Everfog]

Hey what ISO were you using for the tests? The z6 II had reduced dynamic range below ISO 800 because of the BSI sensor. Can you confirm what ISO this was shot at and if you’ve noticed the same dynamic range dip below ISO 800?

[@Josh_Sattin]

All were shot at their base ISOs: Z6III - 800 R5C - 800 BM6KFF - 400

[@Everfog]

@@Josh_Sattin amazing - thanks for the clarity!

[@ШотаГоголи]

Maybe make a comparison with Lumix?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I don't have a Lumix camera.

[@omerkhan6802]

I have a black magic ursa mini camera, the dynamic range on that is not very big either, but i manage to shoot in controlled studio conditions

[@CameraRig]

Please compare the S5IIx vs the Z6III. It would be interesting to see how ProRes HQ 1.6GB on SSD compares to N-RAW. Also comparing 60p would be interesting. The S5IIx might have better dynamic range, but it crops at 60p, so it might lose there. Who knows. 😅

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I do not have a S5IIX.

[@nannishta]

Well done

[@Josh_Sattin]

Thanks!

[@pacoperezabella]

Thanks! in photo the dinamyc range results are the same or not?. Regards!

[@Josh_Sattin]

You're welcome. Unfortunately I didn't test out the photo side of this camera as I only really shoot and test video. Thanks for watching!

[@ShangleLP]

as far as i know all three of those cams have a dual base ISO and the dynmaic range is shifting for all camera systems between their natives so it would be more accurate to make the lattidude test in both iSO ^^ or at least to tell which iso was used. for the bm for example it saves much more in the shadows using iso higher than 1250 but loses in highlight, as you surely know. Attributes like these can change a lot for the film making. because most of all you are using the higher iso often than not in lowlight situation

[@Josh_Sattin]

All were shot at their base ISOs: Z6III - 800 R5C - 800 BM6KFF - 400

[@ShangleLP]

@@Josh_Sattin thanks ^^

[@dapunkof1975]

Sticking to my A7siii

[@Youtuber-ku4nk]

The z6iii pro is the faster readout speed and the con is lower dynamic range. Both are due to the characteristics of stacked sensors. So the z6iii leans more towards a speed king than a IQ queen.

[@inthemoment8788]

well if you compare it to a R3, it is a speed machine and a low light machine, one doesn't prevent the other

[@Youtuber-ku4nk]

@@inthemoment8788 I’m not talking about fps. Talking about readout speed. And yes, those are properties of a stacked sensor. Higher readout speeds and lower dynamic range.

[@inthemoment8788]

@@KZbinr-ku4nk have you seen the readout speed of the z8 and r3? The r3 is quite a bit faster and certainly has more DR. It has more DR than the R5C.

[@Tmk969]

@@KZbinr-ku4nk r3 and z8 is about 3 times faster that z6 iii. It's not that fast if you compare with really fast sensors. For example. Z6 iii is about ~1/80-85 ms, oldest stacked Sony a9 if i remmber well is 1/140 and z8 is 1/240-270 (i just have seen different numbers) .

[@Youtuber-ku4nk]

@@Tmk969 I was talking about its purpose. It’s more for those who shoots fast action than those who shoots landscapes. And it is probably the fastest in its price point.

[@jackmen4]

Is the horizontal banding on the R5C a common reoccurrence or does it only show up in certain cameras

[@edowijaya8603]

Test outdoor please for landscape

[@LuisGonzalez-bu4pz]

How would you describe the dynamic range of the Z6 III versus the A7 IV or the R6 II?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I don't have those two cameras to compare agains the Z6III. I would guess that the A7IV has more dynamic range, but I'm not sure about the R6II.

[@StriderGTS]

R6 II looks better which is disappointing because I can't stand Canon colors

[@sleepyatdawn7648]

Thanks for doing this comparison. I k ow the Lumix s5 handles highlights better than shodow pulling, could it be the same for th3 Z63?

[@alwinbenjamin]

👑

[@Tmk969]

How you feel, how much z6 iii DR is worse than z8?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I haven't directly compared them, but you can check out the video I made about the Z8's dynamic range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYbWmZShltSmacU

[@Tmk969]

@@Josh_Sattin i know, i watch all your videos, but wanted to ask what you think 😊

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@Tmk969 Oh cool! I appreciate that. Unfortunately I don’t like giving a definitive answer without a side by side.

[@enriqueavila3516]

Gracias, sólo estaba esperando tu review para tomar una decisión. Saludos y éxitos en tu canal.

[@twinklestar2490]

Can i save 6k or 4k 120 ...files in normal sd card instead of cf express card? In z6 3???or can it only be saved in cf express card?? I am confused ..please reply....

[@peterra2532]

You can shoot 6k and 4k120 on sd card, but in h265… 6k raw = cf card

[@jakilahmoulien9070]

can you do z6iii vs z6ii?

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I don't have a Z6II. Thanks for watching!

[@StriderGTS]

z6ii has better DR than the Z6ii by nearly a full stop. Nikon took 2 steps forward with the z6ii and one massive step backwards.

[@m0nztam0nk]

Damn....that hurts a bit...but then... its a 2500 Bucks compact mirrorless...tested versus dedicated cinecameras... and despite having the worst DR here, it offers so much else: lowest Price, Amazing Rolling Shutter, IBIS, compact Size, 6k60 RAW, 4k120 RAW, 240p 10bit, all with cont. Autofocus, AND its also one of the best Photo cameras ive ever used... its the total package, it basically beats my a7s3 (also maybe not in DR there) in video specs AND, in the same body, is a perfect Photo camera... And finally, having Shot internal 6k RAW last weekend in harsh midday sunlight (im coming from the a7s3 so not used to raw) i have to say i LOVE how the raw files handle complex and mixed light, greencasts are so easy to remove, the overall Colorscience, tonality and Detail were the best ive ever seen... for everyone NOT using dedicated cinecams (ill include the r5c there i guess) its a massive Upgrade in such a tiny body... cheers

[@alphaandomega2709]

Panasonic s5ii has similar body much cheaper and better dynamic range colors and value. Accept the Facts already. Nikon is far behind. Facts over Feelings.

[@simonyoung1339]

@@alphaandomega2709yea until you see awful moire pop up on all sorts of fabrics, whereas the z6iii has a great olpf, and twice as fast readout speed so you can actually move the camera 😂

[@nigerian-nightmare]

@@simonyoung1339 I haven't noticed any moire issues when shooting with my Panasonic S5 Mark II, and I'm able to pan the camera without any problems. The only advantage the Nikon Z6 III has is the ability to shoot 6K 60fps in raw format internally. Apart from that, I don't see any other noteworthy features to brag about.

[@AndriyASD]

@@alphaandomega2709 Panasonic s5ii shot 4k 60 in crop mode it is fall((

[@m0nztam0nk]

@@alphaandomega2709 internal raw. 6k60 no crop. Facts for ya.

[@danielvilliers612]

Would have been nice to see it compared to the Z9, to compare to other Nikons. But one thing I would say in the test is that having watched a lot of test on CineD, that banding in the 5d is not a little thing. Perhaps in your test it did not show too much, but on CineD latitude test these can be very problematic.

[@Josh_Sattin]

I wish I had access to every camera all the time. Thanks for watching!

[@danielvilliers612]

@@Josh_Sattin Did subscribe 👍

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@danielvilliers612 Thanks for the support!

[@andrewf.7813]

so all these cameras are better with over exposed footage (you can recover it better) than under exposed.

[@tboifilms]

Lumix s5iix is better

[@emilhach6264]

Considering that a Z8 refurb is $3,300 USD, I'll probably just get another one. The image quality is like nothing else I've got (A7SIII, FX30 & A7IV).

[@MARZILLI]

Nikon Z8 beats the Canon R5C in dynamic range and it blows away the Nikon 6iii (from your own tests) which really surprised me since they really put a lot of love into the video aspect of the Nikon z6iii plus its new but this is a $2500 camera.

[@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020]

Which is cheaper than the Z8

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

I don't really think this is the case after using Z8 and Z63 side by side for the past week. They are pretty similar, and the charts posted show them very similar as well. There may be some differences, but I don't think blows away is the right term to describe their differences. I don't really have a dog in that argument as I own them both, but I'm just saying ive found them fairly similar

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

fwiw I just stacked my z8 and z63 on top of each other facing a window. I had all the settings the same. Both at 40mm. Both cams the overall brightness of the image looks very similar. On both, I have zebras set to 100 percent. Both cams the zebras disappeared at F11. I need to make a video I guess. People would probably be interested to see that in action. I personally think the Z8 is ever so slightly better, but its just not that different imo

[@MARZILLI]

@@joshkiddfilms1295 Oh really… Josh also did the same test with the Z8 and the Canon R5C and the Z8 in his simple test showed the Z8 to have slightly more Dynamic Range than R5C and this test shows the R5c and Z6iii and it looked like the R5C had a slight advantage but if you have them side by side who am I to disagree… I’ve had the R5C and I own the Z8 and I went back and looked at old R5C footage against my Z8 and its too close… Not sure why Josh is getting those results… Go take a look at his test about a month or so ago, maybe a couple months i can’t remember.

[@NickDelDuca]

@@joshkiddfilms1295 If you look at the photons to photos charts the Z8 sensor has .76 stops more dynamic range than the Z6iii. It's definitely a little bit better.

[@ryanwhite4855]

What’s with the pulsing in the shadow noise? Does anyone else see that?! I noticed it in another video by Nikon.

[@scottmh]

That’s a very disappointing test. Is the z8 on the same level as the z6iii ?

[@Josh_Sattin]

I haven't compared the Z8 and Z6III but you can see my video about the Z8's dynamic range here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYbWmZShltSmacU

[@inthemoment8788]

@@Josh_Sattin z8 looks cleaner in the shadows, would you agree with that conclusion?

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@inthemoment8788 I don't have a Z8 so I can't compare the Z8 with the Z6III.

[@inthemoment8788]

@@Josh_Sattin sure I get that, I meant to ask from your Z8 video in which you do the comparison to an R5C, would you say it is cleaner than the z6ii vs r5c?

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@inthemoment8788 I assume you mean the Z6III. I will not make a definitive statement without a side by side comparison of the Z8 and Z6III, which as I said, I am unable to do.

[@JojoJoget]

Feels like the Z6iii is Sony letting Nikon test run sensor tech they aren’t willing to commit themselves, then again Nikon isn’t doing this for their flagships so seems like a fair trade off.

[@5746sandy]

This isn't a Sony sensor

[@ReachFilms]

That impressionist painting is quite strong!

[@Josh_Sattin]

Haha! Glad you caught that line.

[@AcastroAX]

4:05 keeping it fair is capping the R5C. Not a great way to compare what each company gives you

[@Josh_Sattin]

Maybe you missed it, but I tested both cameras in their highest quality raw formats. No capping going on there. Most R5C users shoot in XF-AVC and probably don't even know about the noise reduction setting buried in the menu. I believe that the way I tested the R5C in XF-AVC is a fair and logical comparison with the Z6III's H.265 10-Bit mode. Regardless, the R5C has more dynamic range than the Z6III.

[@AcastroAX]

@@Josh_Sattin my point is to show the difference in systems and customization each provide. I know you because i am in this space a lot but someone that’s new will feel that both systems are equal and they are not!

[@Josh_Sattin]

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. This video was specifically about comparing the dynamic range of these cameras. I can't dive into the customization and intricacies of each camera in this video. I had to chose a few similar modes to get a fair comparison between the cameras, which I put a lot of thought into and feel that I did here. If you are curious, I have made a full video about the noise reduction in the R5C if you'd like to check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKiYn5ukrc6EhcU

[@AcastroAX]

@@Josh_Sattin why not show what every system offers, all of it! It’s the same story why compare the FX3 compress codec to the R5C compress codec if the R5C offers RAW? Use the best they offer not the equivalent because no one told Sony to not offer RAW.

[@Josh_Sattin]

I compared the highest quality raw formats in all three cameras in this video. Thanks for watching!

[@scotthayesproductions5715]

compare it to the A7s3.

[@Josh_Sattin]

Unfortunately I don’t have an A7S3.

[@autoexoticswestcoast]

Are you using NLOG on the Nikon? I didn't hear. NLOG is a poor LOG profile, and NRAW has almost no noise reduction and RAW is inherently noisy. Gerald Undone proved this when using VLOG and managing 12.5 stops of Dynamic Range with 14.1 total stops detected.

[@peterra2532]

Did you stay to nlog on the raw video on the z6iii or did you transform it for example to c-log2?

[@Josh_Sattin]

I used a CST to go from Rec2020/NLOG -> Rec709/NLOG and then graded it. Rec2020/NLOG is how it comes out of the camera.

[@peterra2532]

@@Josh_Sattinok thank tou for your reply. And for the r5c, did you develop it to clog3 or clog2?

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

@@Josh_Sattin may see some differing results by not doing it this way. Nlog isn't really designed for use in r709, being a rec2020 codec. Most of the things I have seen about working with N-raw, suggests using Davinci intermediate as the timeline color space in the project settings, then using two CSTs to go from r2020 and N-log, to Davinci Intermediate, and then on the second cst, intermediate to R709 and gamma 2.4 or r709A if you are Mac specific. Alternatively, you could keep your project settings normal, and use one CST to go from r2020, N-log, into a different color space like Arri or Red, and then use a conversion lut to that log footage...basically just making sure the N-raw data itself doesn't get bottlenecked by the r709. Sidney Baker-Green has some fantastic videos on KZbin about the best way to process N-raw.

[@Josh_Sattin]

@@joshkiddfilms1295 Thats why I use a CST to mathematically transfer the 2020 color space to a 709 color space. I deliver all of my content in 709. Since I was not doing any color adjustments but only adjusting the luminance values (gamma not gamut), grading in 709 isn't going to matter whatsoever. I still have to convert 2020 to 709 before delivering. No matter how I grade things and explain what I do, people will say their way or this other guy's way is better. There are almost infinite ways of grading footage and there is no right way to do it.

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

@@Josh_Sattin I understand all that and the concept of cst. I’m just saying keeping it in nlog gamma and only converting the color space before you do your grading (I think that’s what you said you do? Maybe I read that wrong?) is counterintuitive because n-raw is designed for 2020. The workflow I referenced is actually the official process Nikon released and recommends to work with N-raw. Obviously you can do it however you want, but I’m just saying it may be affecting the results you are getting, but it also may not. 🤷🏻‍♂️Trying to make sense of why you got such a green cast when underexposed, as I haven't been seeing that on my z63. I get very different results when I just use a straight conversion from 2020/n-log to R709/r709-A and make adjustments prior to the conversion, then when I keep the gamma in n-log and manually grade it. Highlights are way more clipped in the latter. Same reason if you try and change it to r709 settings in the raw panel you lose a bunch of highlight info...I think there's an inherent problem with trying to deliver r709 log from a 2020 color space and log curve without losing some info...that's why you see very different results converting to a color space like Arri or Canon, where the log is designed for 709. This is also why often with heavy saturated colors, you often get this blue channel clipping with the Nikon some have discussed. Default settings of a resolve project are set to r709, so it's trying to force that N-raw to r709, without the proper gamma conversion. As soon as you CST it to a different color space, the clipping typically goes away.

[@matthewqin3672]

I've never liked Nikon's video performance, especially its dynamic range. It's not just behind Canon but also Sony and LUMIX, and even Fujifilm. It's tricky that the Nikon Z63 is priced much higher than the Z62, but most of the improvements come from immature video technology. It's ridiculous.

[@NickDelDuca]

I'm quite disappointed. It's a pretty big downgrade for photographers. The Z6iii has almost a whole stop less dynamic range than the Z6ii did for photos. The only big improvement is AF but the AF on the Z6ii was definitely usable. I'm hoping they don't go this route with the Z7iii. I have a Z8 which is a great camera but you absolutely need a camera with a shutter for some situations. I was hoping it would be the Z6iii but now it's looking like it's going to be the ZF or I'm going to have to switch to something else.

[@peterra2532]

@@NickDelDuca The DR on the z8 and z6iii are the same…so if you are happy with your z8, you will be happy with the z6iii (+ mechanical shutter)

[@NickDelDuca]

@@peterra2532 Charts show that the Z8 has almost a stop more DR than the Z6iii.

[@scottievee330]

It was honest and fair. If people can't deal with it that is on them.

[@StriderGTS]

This is the 3rd video I've watched showing that the dynamic range of the z6iii is pretty poor in real life uses. I have been looking forward to this camera for over a year now and am really disappointed that they chose speed specs over photo quality.

[@peterra2532]

The DR of the z6iii is tje same as the z8 and z9, and both are really appreciated in the professional world

[@cpanbalagan]

Banding in canon is so terrible... Nikon looks quite controlled... Moreover you are comparing 2500 euro Nikon Z6III with 4700 euro cinima focused canon r5c. Noise can be corrected in post. I think it's a clear win for nikon in its class and price range. Blackmagic is quite good though!!

[@ST-fl5fy]

A fair comparison would be R6II R5c is Z8 quality. Good to see the bmc

[@dimaskresna2079]

4k is amazing for my cheap 40" television 😂, event 2k is good enough.

[@GabrielScindian]

The new Nikon camera has 10 stops of dynamic range in SNR2

[@mbismbismb]

Nikon has a sensor from sony, that explains why nikon footage look greenish like sony 😅

[@5746sandy]

Very canon centric, from a gentleman who has no intention of getting the Nikon

[@mpactdesignmedia]

The photography side of the Z6III is much the same. If you push shadows you will get UGLY noise fairly quickly. Mine is going back today because of it. Lots of great features, but dynamic range is NOT one of them. I took several of the same shots in testing with a Canon R8 - a far 'less capable' camera. The dynamic range comparison wasn't close. And, the higher iso shots were much the same with the R8's noise being far more pleasing and less noticeable than the Z6III. Really disappointing.

[@NickDelDuca]

I luckily waited until Photons to Photos released their Z6iii dynamic range test.... 10.44 stops for photos. Laughable by todays standards. DR was the compromise to hit this price point. The Z6ii was almost a whole stop better and every Sony is over a stop better. The Nikon ZF fares better, it has less noise at high ISO and better dynamic range.

[@mpactdesignmedia]

@@NickDelDuca - I was SHOCKED after coming from a ten year-old D810 on how bad it was. I realize the D810 is one of the GOATS of DR, but still...

[@NickDelDuca]

@@mpactdesignmedia I'm gonna double down on this hunt for more DR and get a Fuji GFX 100sii which has over 12.5 stops of DR

[@robvision3888]

In a separate video I compared/showed the Zyla 21 charts comparing the full frame Z6iii vs the S35 FX30… and the FX30 had more dynamic range. Nikon fanboys tried to roast me after that comment but they couldn’t explain the facts on why Z6iii’s FF sensor has less DR than a cropped Sony

[@AbdonPhirathon]

Can you share this video?

[@peterra2532]

The problem is not the DR, but the nlog curve…in raw cideo, change noog to slog3, you will have the same image to sony cameras

[@robvision3888]

@@AbdonPhirathon it was a comment I had on another video. I think it was Gerald Undone video I left the comment

[@robvision3888]

@@peterra2532 the xyla chart is the measuring stick

[@JojoJoget]

@@peterra2532they found the raw having the same DR so its not a log issue

[@Christiandk1000]

Not much of a surprise to me since tests have shown the Z6 III got worse high ISO performance and dynamic range than the Z6 I/II

[@PraveenKumar-fs6of]

🫶

[@ZaoStrength]

Ngl the Nikon looks ugly as hell with that green cast.

[@bromoboy]

hi josh, you look like my ex named Josh, very sexy and cute

[@itscinemasam]

I own a z6iii and I will honestly say you have to know how to expose your image!

[@dushyantbhatt9345]

Please tell me how to expose z6III

[@nigerian-nightmare]

​@@dushyantbhatt9345I can't wait for him to tell us how to expose.

[@AbdonPhirathon]

Stop being a fanboy. Nobody’s personally attacking you or your camera.

[@itscinemasam]

@@AbdonPhirathon 😂

[@itscinemasam]

@@dushyantbhatt9345 I’m dropping a dynamic range video on this Friday the 5th!

[@itscinemasam]

lol why is the z6iii looking like a point and shoot 😂

[@KarlevidProductions]

Nikon z6III are almost priced as a R5C Nikon z6III 35990kr R5C 39000kr Canon R5 37000k If your off for your first camera and going for this price range the R5/R5C would be a much better choice and overall better camera, feels like this Nikon is a bit overpriced

[@generalben]

Australia it’s $4500 for the z6iii and $4900 for the r5c. But that’s launch. The z8 came down a lot after six months as well.

[@odessitfromshz]

R5C 1200-1500 USD more expensive in my area.

[@KarlevidProductions]

@@odessitfromshz in Sweden these canon prices has been the last 3 months

[@odessitfromshz]

@@KarlevidProductions in my area z6III costs 2333 USD.

[@Christiandk1000]

That's Swedish kr?

[@HorrorGeek13]

first!