🐍🐍 Raised by Wolves S2E07 discussion 🐍🐍

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Discussing Raised by Wolves Season 2 Episode 7, "Feeding"!
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[@ShirleyTimple]

Father's diss on the headless service model was great. "At least the medallion didn't need maintenance to be useless". The android's response was priceless lol

[@CASSIUSATBESTWV]

top tier comic relief there

[@ShirleyTimple]

@@CASSIUSATBESTWV indeed 😂

[@TywinLannister666]

Hunter's headless droid? His name is Bick and he is going to be a featured character if S3 (Inshallah) proceeds. I cant wait. Everything about this show reminds me why I got into physics and analytics in the first place. Its stunning.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

@@TywinLannister666 nice to meet a fellow muslim! Especially someone who's into science

[@conwaysuccess]

I don't understand why no one is talking about this show, it's one of the most interesting amazing ones out. Incredible

[@nodiggity9472]

Which show?

[@courtlandhomes]

I have a bunch of friends that quit after a few episodes in the first season. I loved it from episode one but I am easy.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Because many or most are only interested in enacting lower cognitive effort. They'll love the brash and still excellent shows like 'The Boys' but pay little attention or lip service to shows like Mr Robot and Raised by Wolves. They'll complain it's too bizarre and slow etc.

[@JohnnyZenith]

@@courtlandhomes People are lazy and want to be spoon fed. They don't have patience.

[@nodiggity9472]

@@courtlandhomes So they say.

[@GeekFurious]

I am usually really good at predicting what a show will do next. While watching this episode, my girlfriend turned to me and asked, "So do you think the tree is a good thing or a bad thing for humanity?" and I said, "I genuinely have no idea what this show is going to do next." Damn, I love this weird fuckin' show.

[@rubym3915]

Well said.. I feel exactly the same way. Toooo excited for the next episode

[@robinvik1]

"So do you think the tree is a good thing or a bad thing for humanity?" Yes

[@eddynunezsanchez8222]

When the tendrils/tentacles started sprouting on #7 once it was weaponized, one of my first thoughts was that it resembled the Sol symbol - with the wavy sun rays. Also on the subject of Grandmother being a shepherd reminded me of a meme I recently saw about the shepherd only protecting the sheep from the wolf so that he could eat them later. Made me think.

[@sofijaivanovic1668]

I had the same thought about the Sol symbol, especially if we imagine the ancient seprents were golden (like Gradmother) and had some powers connected to light (like the ancient Necromancer we see in the series intro)

[@metakino9111]

mithraic medalion have 18 rays

[@jamespamson451]

@@sofijaivanovic1668 I don’t think that’s an ancient necromancer, I’m pretty sure it’s just showing war torn earth

[@dannicatzer305]

A pet peeve I have is how absolutely chill everyone is standing next to the acid ocean.. Ive been on similar rocks next to the coast and you can be happily walking along and then out of nowhere a larger than usual wave will comes along and catches you... On earth that means a curse and soggy clothes on that planet it means an acid bath...

[@NessysSanctuary]

I thought the same thing i kept thinking of alien nation when the aliens were at the edge of the beach they could smell it the fear and disgust was palatable i felt their fear of the sea but on this show they were dang close to the sea i kept waiting for someone to scream as the aid splashed on to them but nope so i had to lose my mind for that part to be able to move on lol

[@dannicatzer305]

@@NessysSanctuary I loved that show, another show cancelled before its time.. Yeah if I was living on Keplar 22b I'd need binoculars to see the ocean as I wouldn't venture anywhere near it.. I'd be like Tempest good luck finding your baby you're on your own..

[@NessysSanctuary]

@@dannicatzer305 bwahahahagh i would be right there beside you

[@morwickchesterham3875]

imagine getting hit by an acid tsunami

[@ShubertReads]

This season and these livestreams have been an incredibly fun and wild ride. Thanks Schwifty!

[@papinbala]

the actress who plays mother is doing such a good job play an android. shegot it down.

[@tjk3430]

What if grandmother's veil is like a way to suppress her deadly abilities. Like a horse wearing side blinders so they don't get agitated.

[@syntaxed2]

"Ensure everlasting life for humans" - A machine would do anything, like evolve them into creatures to test survivability or transform them into trees to endure radiation. I totally agree that Grandmother isnt what she claims to be...oh and btw, did you notice how her skin/hardware looked very xenomorphic?

[@TheRidg11]

I find it strange that her consciousness has returned, the show made a point of telling us Vrille will be permanently shut down after a cracked spine but mother was found in pieces and shes back in action after some help from botanitech, either Mother is Sol or Androids have a soul like Campion said and Vrille will be back, but not necessarily in the same body

[@n8thal718]

The SNAKE is actually PROTECTING everyone... 1) It was anxious when they tried to open the box. 2) It ate the fruit that was with mother to prevent others from eatting it. 3) The snake ate the tree to prevent others from eatting more fruit.

[@christinaknight794]

YAAASSSS! ...and I think Grandmother will earn everyone's trust by killing #7 and it's going to be tragic.

[@dwhite-mann5399]

Yeah i thought this too and it got me thinking what happens if the snake gets a seed would it turn the snake into a tree ? This show is amazing it's basically space Bible

[@dani2229]

I believe this is where they were going! I hope to god we get to see the resolution, maybe on another network.

[@JROTCBALL]

I would follow Alt Shift X for your GOT, Westworld and Raised by Wolves breakdowns and was so sad going into s2 without ur commentary.. so glad I stumbled across this new channel! Bless the KZbin gods

[@Formallyknownashandle]

Given Mother’s background, it’s no surprise that Campion is so forgiving of a homicidal female Android. 🤣

[@jeffreyvonstetten5852]

Right?

[@Gunth0r]

nor is it surprising that he loved her :D

[@Formallyknownashandle]

@@Gunth0r exactly! The boy wants a woman like his mother: homicidal and man-made. Lol

[@othinsdottir]

She is also similar in appearance to sister Spiria, who passed away in episode 1. Who we would assume would be his partner in an Adam & eve scenario.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

@@Gunth0r he's a freudian

[@cinematicuprising72]

The veil of grandmother seems to be a reference to the veil of ignorance, a political philosophy developed by John Rawls.

[@gigibouse2316]

What if it's the veil a la Wizard of Oz except the wizard ain't a bumbling old guy but an evil entity?

[@adventuresinportland3032]

I had assumed the tarantula is the landing ship, not an ark. It's relatively small. Ark was huge.

[@haoxus9413]

I think grandmother created the sea creatures using human, to protect human kind from the snakes which are not acid proof. That's why she had blueprint of the sea creatures in her memory, and she went offline after knowing there's a baby coming. Tempest wanted to leave her baby to a sea monster, but maybe that was going to lead to the best outcome. That's what so f'ed up about the show. Amazing

[@nancynord260]

No kidding. It was a nad decision by Tempest and Father, in his purpose of protecting children should not have allowed that. Making it Tempest's decision is like allowing abortion after the child has been born. A human child would die in the sea creature's world, the acid sea. He would be lonely and lost if he did survive.

[@mikehc6159]

Theory: Sol is the original Trust. It determined over time that humans were self destructive (even said it when pretending to be Campion Sr while courting Mother in VR). After sparking a war in which dark energy-devolved Believers worked to spawn snakes from androids to kill humans and the planet, the Technocrats created Shepherds to protect them and Necromancers to kill the snakes (and probably whoever else). The few remaining humans or androids banished the entity to the planet's core, but that didn't destroy it. The planet became basically inhabitable with radiation outside of the protected tropical zone, so Earth was identified as a new place to seed humanity. Blueprints for technology were sent along with the embryos and 2 androids, but future humans would bastardize them as "scriptures" and even worked to destroy the planet (i.e. destroy the atmosphere), possibly as directed by Sol itself via very weak signals to a small amount of humans, or at least via misinterpreted "scriptures".

[@marcosbaez607]

Nice theory! You closed all the gaps in mine wich was very similar but not quite elaborated. I'm not so sure about sending Earth just 2 embryos, but when you said they send androids I clicked, of course! And Father is one of them, that's why Grandmother recognized him! That's why he is the toughest service model android. Next episode she's going to unlock his memories.

[@lydellpoag4010]

In the same simulation it told mother it was human, but it was also many things!? Wtf does that mean I wonder

[@lydellpoag4010]

Also grandmother insinuated the sol voice entity is older than the Believer & Technocrat society.

[@mikehc6159]

@@lydellpoag4010 didn't she just say people have failed to understand it for a long time because they couldn't overcome their irrationality? I don't think that really means it pre-dates humanity, just that humans effectively chose not to accept a harsh reality for a long time

[@justsaying8358]

I loved your theory

[@agm5424]

My theory on the fruit: So we know Sol is/can use a signal to manipulate people and is probably built or desires to do so but currently can't because of the EMF in the tropical zone. So what if Sol is more capable to efficiently do it or straight up control people if they are filled with, lets say, dark photon energy and/or botanic-tech nano bots that they get from the "Mother's Meat" fruit. So people eat the fruit, Sol starts to talk to them and tells them to leave the Tropical Zone where He/It can more efficiently control them and thus making them "pure" (for Him/It). Also, those this sounds kinda familiar: Adam and Eve eat the fruit and then are expelled from eden into wastland. This could be an allegory for people eating the fruit so Sol can tell them to leave the TZ so they can be easily control trough the fruits nano tech. Which could explain why it was made forbidden to eat the fruit, it was a warning from the Kepler humans that managed to escape Sol to their future generations to not eat the fruit and be controlled.

[@karelknightmare6712]

Nice point, dark photons devices seems to be Sol's signal relays. An other to question Grandmother's narrative...

[@metakino9111]

corpses on snakes wasnt found in tropical zone

[@NessysSanctuary]

@@metakino9111 Because sol was unable to get through that's why the tree was planted in the TZ so its roots would go down and through to the planets core where sol can send the signal through the tree. As AGM said the fruit is dark protons sol can now broadcast directly into all that ate mothers meat/fruit

[@juicegod777]

The tarantula ship Sue was on when she hears Sol’s voice is actually Mithraic technology, so maybe that’s how she could hear the voice 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@juicegod777]

Probably also explains how Otho heard Sol on the Arc

[@luchianno]

My theory is that Sol only contacted her after Trust was shut down. Sol transmission was trying not to show itselft to Trust

[@ImperiumVita]

"Shepherd" has deep religious connotations, as does the idea of "everlasting life", I don't think we can assume Grandmother's motivations are counter to the Entity.

[@TywinLannister666]

She also is primarily deceptive in her motives. A method entirely similar to the way the Entity has done things. I dont think they are however aligned, mother being dead for a million years wouldnt make sense if they were.

[@joshknightfall]

This episode was all about people reaching their humility breaking point where they're forced to let go of their assumptions and admit their limits.

[@bobsmith3735]

This episode had more reveals/resolutions than most entire shows LOL

[@DiamondWoodStudios]

I split these podcasts into 30 minute intervals, it’s literally the only thing keeping me sane while I wait for the next episodes it’s just as interesting dissecting this show as it is watching it!!

[@touroleite9920]

I just realized…Mary, Sue

[@haoxus9413]

1:46:15 But long after Marcus lost his power, even after he lost the necro eyes, he was still loyal to Sol. He only renounced Sol after he lost Sue. Yeah maybe he was trying to get his power back, but clearly he kept following Sol's plan after he knows Paul is more likely the prophet. There's some selfishlessness in there I think he genuinely believed the goodness of Sol, afterall it saved his live. He was aimlessly just trying to survive, but Sol gave him a higher purpose. His zealotness was magnified by his power and Sol's voice, but I think there's more to that.

[@NessysSanctuary]

I would lose my faith too lol Marcus believed one hundred percent in Sol When he found out that Sol turned his beloved into a tree then to watch people eat of that tree with the fruit looking like brains a thing that can do that will change your belief structure.

[@haoxus9413]

@@NessysSanctuary yeah I'd definitely make it my life's mission to destroy the voice that turned my significant other into a tree. From Sue's "burn me" voice, she must be suffering

[@mavisBblack]

@@haoxus9413 that part made me tear up they believed so pure when she found out sols plan she would rather burn that thought terrified me 🔥

[@zc5245]

An interesting point in the fact that Sue gave blood to Mother to save her baby when she was pregnant. In a sense Sue is already a part of the reptile as it was fed her blood to remain alive while inside of Mother.

[@ethans3584]

Grandmother couldn’t have been telling mother the whole truth. Grandmother told her that the technocrats (ostensibly the Keplerian atheistic faction) built the androids to help stop the believers (ostensibly the keplerian religious faction that worshipped the entity the earthly Mithraic call Sol). This doesn’t seem reconcilable with the following: 1) Grandmother spoke ancient Mithraic to father and had the mithraic star on her veil in that first scene where grandmother is hooked into the Tarantula. Why would the technocrat’s speak ancient mithraic? Even if that was the common tongue of K22B, it wouldn’t explain the mithraic star on grandmother’s veil. It seems a mistake to figure she really was on humanity’s side in the benevolent manner she wanted mother to believe. This is extra true given that Campion, who we are supposed to believe is more right about things/prescient (he said trees had souls and refused to eat the creatures far before sue became sroot or mother and father realized that the keplerians and the devolved creatures are ancient humanoids) mistook weaponized grandmother for sol earlier this season. 2) Grandmother was destroyed and broken into pieces in a cave. If grandmother is the shepherd of humanity, and humanity on Kepler is essentially eradicated, and grandmother was destroyed, how can we expect that grandmother’s veil did much useful work? It seems a mistake to assume veiling mother will enable her to destroy #7 with ease. Something else is going to happen here, eg that scene from the preview where someone/something seems trapped in a cocoon like substance eerily reminiscent of a full body veil. 3) the earthly mithraic, rather than the earthly atheists, had the dark photon and necromancer tech. It’d be funny if the keplerian technocrats were trying to beam a message to earth so that earthlings wouldn’t come back to Kepler and free The Sol entity, only for the earthly mithraic to misunderstand a warning for a divine sign. That just seems a bit too easy. In essence, it seems as though grandmother is withholding some key information from mother and the audience. The exposition at the end of s2e7 is insufficient to trust her. Holly did participate in defacing vrille, and referring to mother and father as necromancer and generic service model clearly evidences dislike of androids, but her claim that androids are the greatest liars coupled with mother and father divulging the truth about #7 seemed meaningful.

[@bryeetsonny9458]

You’re really squeezing water from a stone.

[@ethans3584]

@@bryeetsonny9458 feel like the obvious pun there would be "milk blood from a stone"

[@TywinLannister666]

She absolutely is. Her linguistic syntax is explicitly communicating in an extremely manipulative and clinical way. The words she chooses are so seemingly benign that there absolutely is something going on in that dark photon core of hers. Not to mention she is deterministic in her statements. "Humanity will do "X" "Even an atheist will make up a God to worship in times of fear". These are incredibly concerning sentiments and suggest that she has been activated in the past and in contact with some sort of intelligent being for an EXTREMELY long time. Long enough to cement prejudices in a hyperlogical advanced intelligence synthetic humanoid. Nothing good is going to come of her. Nothing.

[@stephenmoney4722]

it sounds like Grandmother, could have “rationalized” the idea of evolving humans into mermaids and cave dwellers. She probably went full Trust and thought it was for the greater good.

[@adefay2811]

That's true because if the humans devole they dont have to rationalize there existence anymore or start creating things that destroy planet or destroy ourselves

[@sickandtired6156]

What if the planet is a prison for the devil (or some dark being)? Some serious howling man vibes (old Twilight Zone episode where a person is conned by the devil into letting it loose from prison). This being at the core has been a master manipulator since day one. Very much playing the Satin role IMO.

[@holden9278]

This is a great theory, the voice/entity wants to destroy the planet to be set free cause the original people that lived on Kepler trapped it in the planet itself that would be crazy

[@joshknightfall]

I'm here for the trapped theory

[@nodiggity9472]

David Icke? We *know* its you, please stop.

[@ireneparrish3070]

The creatures aren't devolved humans, they are evolved to thrive on ths planet. Grandmother sheparded this evolution and sent the mermaid to get Tempest''s baby to get this started

[@ShirleyTimple]

They could've evolved from humans. If the planet itself underwent some change, for instance.

[@pdcdesign9632]

Thanks for pointing that out. Too many people have no idea how nature works. Evolution only works in one direction. Survival 😁

[@roxy80lolipop]

We saw how they evolved into the creatures from season 1 when Marcus when down the hole and the de evolved man was exposed to Romulus tooth that seem to have some type of tech that the kepler human tried to stay way from.

[@Garenop]

I actually don’t think mermaid stealing the baby is tha significant . I just think she took the baby cuz her own had died( the dead one they found in the cave )

[@jamespamson451]

@@pdcdesign9632 definitely true in the real world, but it looks like what’s happening in the show isn’t real evolution. It’s like forced “de” evolution, I understand that de evolution isn’t actually a real thing but I think it’s clear that is what the writers are going for in the show

[@jbp1790]

Came for the review stayed for the philosophy talk 😆

[@maaxross9894]

It just hit me. The Sol voice didn’t start talking to people until Mother took the Trust offline. Possible that it’s deactivation formed a little hole in the “ozone” or the earth that allows Sol to come through?

[@Sopel429]

You brought up on numerous occasions that the trust sacrificed Paul for greater good and as such acted in a utilitarian way. I disagree, Paul was a traitor collaborating with the enemy in the eyes of an AI, he chose not to be a part of the atheistic collective. Just because he was a kid did not make a difference to trust for the AI does not give special treatment and neither does it discriminate like people would.

[@jasongaudreau2075]

I also feel that “androids lie” is a statement that was touched on for the finale. I believe Gramma is involved in all of this in a negative way. In the new trailer for the finale, we see Grams face as she gives Lammia her veil. I believe the veil is what is holding Grams back in a trap. And she is tricking Lammia (the weapon….and most likely the only thing that can defeat the serpent and grams) into wearing the veil so she will be free to unite with the serpent and be too powerful for anyone to stop…which will be the cliffhanger for season 3. “How will the colonists overcome Grandmother and the Serpent!?!?”

[@NichSchoepfer]

That may be true, but its also a reference to Campion realizing Mother has been lying to him this whole time too.

[@acikacika]

The city already exists on Keplar, but it's all underwater for the merepeople

[@karelknightmare6712]

Sue starts to hear Sol's voice after Mother's got her eyes back. Maybe when reprogrammed in the simulation, the entity added some "wifi repeater" in it to get some signal into the tropical zone. I first thought that for the 1st pentagonal temple when Marcus has first heard the voice. "Sue's tree" shows some "wifi" ability when asking to be burnt on the transmitter. Dark photons have some persuasion ability on humans especially when emotionaly weakened. You know, Father's said it : 'Love will be the death of us all.'

[@metakino9111]

dark photons enchance the signal .

[@Ryanthebrobdingnagian]

Earlier in the season, when they assigned to father leading the "bait" humans to the snake, they called him a Shepard when they gave him his staff.

[@WilliamsPinch]

I was sad to say goodbye to Jason/Vrille. I love how murderous she became and how Campion looks past it always. He is so “Christlike”. And I hope that Hunter will be a good father, much like Father.

[@pantherpopel551]

Really love these discussion style videos with you, homie.

[@Perfection_NV]

When Sue went all Carol Anne it was so so sad....not to mention listening to the episode with headphones you can really hear the heartbeat

[@ruthbennett7563]

My shred of tinfoil theory is that Grandmother “sacrificed” herself to create the haven of the Tropical Zone (being biological tech). If so, this sets the stage for Mother to save her family by becoming the Golden City of prophecy to save the children from the evils of Sol. In other speculation, in Dante’s Inferno, the punishment for suicide is to spend eternity as a tree in Hell. Anyhoo, I worry for little fruit-eater Vita(sp?) who knows how to sing the Mithraic songs which open those seed boxes.

[@TywinLannister666]

Her name is what should alarm you. Vita has its roots in Latin. It means "Life". 0_0

[@CSLintheCASINO]

How on 22B could he NOT do one of these after the season 2 finale?

[@veroandariega]

So many things happened in this episode! 🤯 Poor Sue!!

[@bobsmith3735]

i don't think technology is "evil" in this story, everything is evil/good depending on your point of view in this story. I think that's the entire point of the show so far. Maternal instinct good/bad. religion good/bad. irreligion good/bad. robots good/bad i think its working on the point that even when people do things for "good" reason it can end up horribly. This is what makes Campeon interesting, he is the only one so far that has been purely good, so they are setting him up for something really bad LOL

[@metakino9111]

emotions good/bad is there something like "nature" good/bad planets good/bad lies good/bad knowleage good/bad if u able to comprehend

[@etownsend82]

13:42 I believe he was calling the core, the being, not the bean.

[@mellofan2012]

I'm wondering what's happening with the glasses guy. Remember Marcus said "When the tree grows, eat from it, and your mind will begin to heal"

[@TheJankyTank]

this is Jason and the argonauts in space, you can look to so many MANY greek myths and have insanely direct parallels going on here. Also Ray Macintyre said BEing - not bean.

[@1DickCheney]

Like, how do you even recommend this show or describe it to someone without sounding insane?

[@IwinMahWay]

"A yet to be religious scripture unfolding infront of your eyes"

[@nodiggity9472]

Its saner than the creation myths that inspired it, and people have been getting into that for like, ever. You want to get people into the show, go door to door. "Good morning, can you spare 5 minutes to talk about Sol's Love?"

[@1DickCheney]

@@nodiggity9472 lol. They'll have to find their own way to the light I guess.

[@keithstromberg8253]

I real appreciate your videos!!! I work overnights. I like watch the episode before work, and then catch your video during my shift. I don't really have anyone to talk to about this series and you make me feel like I'm in the room with you tossing ideas back and forth. Can't wait for the finale!! Thanks again!!

[@jinxedsphinx3600]

I haven’t watched this whole episode yet but I haven’t heard anyone mention it so far but isn’t it funny how the fruit from the “tree of knowledge” looks a lot like brains...?

[@Panzer731]

41:55 There's a great video by TREY the Explainer called "Disabilities in Prehistory" that explains how people with disabilities were treated and cared for in ancient civilizations. It's one of the little things that gives me that feeling that alt's been describing about having a glimmer of hope, that there's something else. Maybe not physically or metaphysically or religious, more like a vibe. Watching that made me think a lot about how we've been caring for eachother since the start. In those ancient days. In those distant years. When the bread was first tasted in the sacred shrines of the land. When the ovens had been lighted...

[@brynlpz83]

Most amazing sci-fi show ever made.

[@shegocrazy]

lol

[@phillyb8347]

Sheep are taught to fear the wolf all the while the shepherd leads them to the slaughter.. .

[@taylortrash]

I thought grandmother looked super cool without her vail in the sneak peek for the next episode edit: love these discussions, look forward to them each week

[@jackashmore]

I like how campion and number 7 ended up being the fulfillment of Romulus and Remus and not campion and Paul...but who knows still one episode left

[@BBrecht]

Also, the writing system Vrille used on the tree was the same as the user interface for the arks and various Mithraic tech throughout the show. It might be an ancient Mithraic (read: Keplerian) script, some sort of machine code/android language, and/or some other more efficient system of writing/interfacing with machines than the 50-ish characters we have on most modern keyboards.

[@fugoffazshoel6357]

Why would she know that?

[@rudigerh5234]

Yeah, I’d believe service modelswere built to read their own version of QR codes; just like any other run-of-the-mill smartphone. It’s not a far fetched idea.

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

I think the reason they've teased Grandmother's face is because it's going to turn out she looks like one of those "devolved" humans we've seen a couple times before. I think Grandmother's definition of "human" and "everlasting life" is going to turn out to be a lot more plastic than we'd like. It could be that the various devolved human forms we've seen around are the work of Grandmother, whose programming decided that a devolved, animalistic form that uses no technology is the only way to save humans from themselves. She may be a rather literal shepherd in the sense that her goal is to transform humans into the equivalent of sheep.

[@bryeetsonny9458]

I was into it until the last part💀

[@nagamata]

I think the serpent attacked Father because of its emotional nature. It knows that Father rejects it, so it rejects Father.

[@mikehc6159]

Seven was Sol's signal repeater which is why Sue could hear Sol

[@indigoace261]

Thanks for covering this show. Great commentary. Very thought provoking.

[@nemomarc7841]

The red fruit drives the giant snake out of control he surely hears SUE's voice he eats the tree and becomes another creature A Dragon with tentacles! The face to face with Mother is incredible now the snake is even stronger and dangerous.

[@ethans3584]

I think you’re on the right track about the serpent hearing Sue. #7 was agitated earlier when the seed box was being opened, so I thought for a bit that #7 didn’t want the tree built. But once #7 ate the sue fruit mother happened to drag over to the snake cage, it seemed that #7 might have been hearing from Sol. But then Sroot asks Marcus and Paul to burn her just as #7 approaches. I don’t know anymore

[@nemomarc7841]

See you next Thursday for the review of the final episode.

[@christina9725]

I do think Grandmother is lying. What if Grandmother was reprogrammed or corrupted to do something horrible, but the veil is stopping her from doing it? What if she needs the veil taken off, but she can't take it off herself?

[@acikacika]

If anyone remembers the super evil planet size entity that was coming for all in The Fifth Element, that should justify the scale of Sol, mind as well be the thing!

[@nolanstrout1712]

For "changing the design of the arc", the arcs can't land in the tropical zone. The tarantula probably made the trip from the zone in season 1, the arc is probably chilling back there.

[@kw9849]

The front end of Ark we see at the end of season 1 appears to be identical to the Tarantula, so I think they're the same vehicle. That said, the rules in the Tropical Zone are really vague at this point: the mention not being able to fly in it, yet the Tarantula and the Bomber Marcus commandeers seem to work just fine, as do mother and the Holospheres.

[@jameshart2693]

"The original position is Rawls' hypothetical scenario in which a group of persons is set the task of reaching an agreement about the kind of political and economic structure they want for a society, which they will then occupy. Each individual, however, deliberates behind a "veil of ignorance": each lacks knowledge, for example, of his or her gender, race, age, intelligence, wealth, skills, education and religion. The only thing that a given member knows about themselves is that they are in possession of the basic capacities necessary to fully and wilfully participate in an enduring system of mutual cooperation; each knows they can be a member of the society."

[@lessismorrish]

You deserve sooo many more subs. Your videos and live streams are top notch.

[@morfeubranco]

Hopefully Grandmother has the personality of Shirley from What’s Happening once her veil comes off.

[@CNNBlackmailSupport]

11:03 Good pause shot! The wires lind of form the shape of a skull/face. The bottom right one just below its left hand forms the jaw, with single lights on the knees for teeth. The crossed wires between the right elbow and right hip is the nasal cavity, and the vertically curved horizontal wires from the naval area and spine form the cheekbones. There are two gaps of wires just above each elbow which are the eye sockets. The two bright reflections from the right shoulder make up the center brow ridge of the forehead.

[@BRAG450]

I think things are literally repeating itself. The fruit will probably let sol speak to them in the tropical zone like you said and that will break mother's group into 2 the believers will be the people who ate the fruit and the technocrats will be mother's group.

[@NessysSanctuary]

It has been hinting this strongly all through out both seasons

[@nancynord260]

The preview shows Mother writhing around totally encased in the veil and struggling. GM says, "It is my time." Purity my arse, it protects humans from her.

[@mikehc6159]

I think Marcus is actually feeling the effects of the fruit - it obviously doesn't happen instantaneously but you see he starts having a cough on top of the twitchiness...this will likely develop further until he and the others devolve, unless Grandmother can help!?

[@jamesrowsell9346]

Seven. Can be used to signify "perfection" or "completeness". It may have been inspired from the fact that the primary lunar phases are roughly 7 days (7.4) each. Examples include the seven days of creation and so seven days that make up a week, and the seven lamps on the Temple Menorah.

[@muskratsam7358]

I think it's possible the vrille face removal thing is a way of dealing with the problem of keeping a young android actor/actress from aging. Now, if she is resurrected in some way in the future, it will make sense for her face to appear different. Or even just have the same weird plastic face.

[@jasongaudreau2075]

Funny thing….Travis Fimmel never wanted to act again, but was talked into it because it was connected to Ridley. He is an awkward actor that has odd mannerisms. He was like that in Vikings too

[@DiamondWoodStudios]

well aren’t we glad Ragnar hopped back on the saddle

[@doneasneakyonya]

Nidhogg was one of the creatures that lived in Yggdrasil, the World Tree, in Norse mythology. A great venomous serpent, he chewed on the root of Yggdrasil that lay over the ice realm of Niflheim. He also feasted on the decaying bodies of the dead in Hel’s realm.

[@karelknightmare6712]

Vrille's last act looked similar to flashbacks people near death are experiencing. True Vrille's life key points must be also important to maybe fix earth's atmosphere.

[@gigibouse2316]

It stands to reason that if the veil grandmother wears keeps her on mission, the risk for her taking it off is becoming more human like just like Mother and Father. So it could be the case that Grandmother is not evil in her current state but lifting the veil could have all kinds of ramifications.

[@what76485]

I was almost thinking the opposite. Like if she takes it off she becomes more human. Her programming is to save human. So she wouldn’t do to us what she wouldn’t do to her self. Mother can’t really go against her primary programming.

[@gigibouse2316]

@@what76485 That is possible, but I kind of based my thought on the preview for the last episode which makes her out to appear she is not good-with the shots of just her face looking a little creepy with sharpened teeth and at the end saying what I think is "This is my time."

[@ericolofsson]

That sun (sol) card. makes me think of the center core are the eggs and the snakes are sperm.

[@JustinUrban1]

Wonder if the Technocrats ‘evolved’ to survive the changes in the planet.

[@PaulLunguMagic20]

Here is a theory. Maybe when grandmother is powered up, all the devolved humans will be drawn to her, almost like worshiping her, and the she will re-evolve them and turn them into brand new characters for season 3!

[@gigibouse2316]

Without the veil grandmother like mother can potentially be manipulated by Sol.

[@theunwantedcritic]

This TV show is really based on specific religious/mythological themes. They have to use the Abrahamic religions (Judaism Christianity and I suspect eventually Islam) has a primary basis for their story because if they don’t most people won’t understand the references. Raised by wolves refers to Romulus and Remus. The twin brothers who founded Rome according to legend. So this is about founding a civilization as much as it is about retelling Judeo Christian stories. On the subject of faceless characters, look to how veils and faces are referred to in Judeo Christian Islamic literature and art.

[@ghostgate82]

Campion and Vrille are Adam & Eve. Vrille will be brought back online with the help of Campion’s DNA (the “rib”).

[@karolam1929]

They probably gonna use Hunter’s headless android for this

[@jamespamson451]

Yeah idk bout that one

[@axelgarcia-santos2667]

Grandmother being labeled a "Shepherd" is very telling. I think she lied about who created her. I think the "believers" created her since they are religious, and "Shephard" is a term they would use.

[@cerethi.]

I was wondering, since the Serpent seems to be a 'vegetarian' or whatever, the fruit will make them be able to be food for the serpent.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Serpents. Forbidden fruit. Bible.

[@OccultDemonCassette]

The symbol used for Sol reminds me of the sun that surrounds the head of the Demiurge from gnostic myths. The Demiurge had a lions head and the body of a serpent with a pointed-star like halo around its head.

[@ubabes._]

The channel Frey fire said it best. Romulus and his brother is campion and number 7. The wolf that raises them is mother. And their father the god of Mars is analogous to Sol as he blueprinted number 7

[@CNNBlackmailSupport]

Grandmother was veiled as a check on her power. She is basically the horror trope of "Don't let me out until dawn, no matter how much I beg or cry. It's the monster talking." If, after giving out the instructions, the person that heard them was died and some random kids walked up to the door. She wants the veil off, but she can't just directly tell them to do it because that is either counter to her programing, or it would seem too suspicious. Instead, she's implying someone else needs the veil. Like a werewolf in human form saying he can stay chained down, but his visitors need protection from vampires, so they should at least take the silver necklace he is wearing. They don't know that it is the only thing keeping him from turning into a monster and breaking the chains.

[@michaelv2774]

This show made me so sad over a kidnapping mermaid monster

[@ZatoichiBattousai]

If Vrille had wanted to kill Holly, I am sure she would have; seems Vrille only killed the people who were present when she was beaten and mutilated. Holly was there, but she was the only one to tell them to leave Vrille alone.

[@Shadamachaeon]

I was wondering why Vrille spared Holly, though Holly did help the other Mythraic hold Vrille down while Decima defaced her. I guess Vrille killing Holly would story-wise create problems amongst the relationship between Mother and Campion.

[@ZatoichiBattousai]

@@Shadamachaeon I rewatched the scene, Holly is standing ten feet in front of Vrille, visually disturbed by what they are doing to Vrille. Still, it was all very traumatizing to Holly, especially since she was befriending the Myrhaics.

[@jdkc1971]

Good shit!! Great analysis and discussion!! Keep it up / I shall keep listening.

[@chrispage8716]

I think Kepler 22 is the birthplace of humanity and when the war was near its end people were sent to Earth to save the human race and now we're being called back to our original birthplace to start the cycle over again.

[@ireneparrish3070]

Sacrifice like the crucifixion. Note Mother assumes the same pose as Jesus on the cross including one foot on top of the other

[@c.s278]

The snake wants to destroy the planet. Maybe it actually isn’t working for sol, maybe it was designed to destroy the being in the core of Kepler. I love this show so many twists and turns

[@andrewdaniels2131]

Question guys and gals : do we think that the Trust A.I on the Tarantula ship (originally a Mithraic design that was designed by the Mithraic scientists - please correct me if I’m wrong), or was the Trust reprogrammed by the Aethists??

[@krzyszwojciech]

I don't think we've been given details that could solve the Trust's creation specifically. We only know that Campion 'created' it, but also that he's a sibling to Mother, so he might have been created in the same way as her - by reprogramming. We've also heard Campion stole Mithraic technology, so it's not out of the question that he made the AI from scratch (well, probably also from stolen components) by using the designs of the believers.

[@Murray.Sutherland]

Okies, any one willing to contemplate that grandmother is telling a story and that the placement of the veil on Lamia will not be good for Lamia? I mean Father told GM that they where atheist colonisers, so so GM then tells M that she is a technocrat (on her side)...

[@ProdByCari]

Unfortunately, they have no other choice.. from what we know only one person is strong enough to take down the giant flying snake monster and that is mother the weapon.

[@Murray.Sutherland]

@@ProdByCari yeah, I get that... But I perhaps GM is of the mind to never waste a crisis. I mean she's imprisoned right now. Then the jailor turns up all fucked up and asking for help...

[@_VICK_]

Ok last comment FR FR this time but this is just dawning on me now.......The Entity WAS the hologram of Campion Sturgess Mother was communicating with in that Pod. and it had to present itself as such to so Mother would open up. The Entity basically emotionally manipulated Mother. It was also the entity who got her pregnant so she could birth Number 7. Which would make sense because Mother is a necromancer and that is what the entity needs. Which would mean that The Entity is some form of AI, especially considering the fact that The Entity told Mother to not defend the humans because "they destroy themselves over and over".

[@theanarchistcook]

Contrapoints had a great point where she said revenge isn't best served cold, it's always served cold.

[@nemomarc7841]

See you next Thursday for the review of the final episode.

[@kingsouther]

So what happened to the sea large monster that killed the cabin ppl if it wasnt snek at the time who did it? (Pre-weaponisation) From earlier episodes in s2.....

[@rubym3915]

These are the best guesses I’ve heard so far. Carry on!!